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What is it? Dar ben Hamen? Yes, d yes, yes,
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yes, big up dar ben HAMI grills all about them grills yes,
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So Darbanja mean fitting name because we last night got to see The Marvels.
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The Marvels opens wide on November tenth, right, which is this Friday.
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So we talked a lot about in our other shows. We talked a lot
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about how like it was a late screening, so we didn't know what to
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make of ITV that was a good sign, a bad sign. We obviously
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have our thoughts. We did some preliminary social media comments and I think you
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guys are gonna be surprised by what you hear from us, and guessing this
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will be a pretty much a spoiler review. We're gonna keep it like you
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know, we're not gonna get it. We're not going to there's a major
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post credit scenes that I don't think I want to spoil. Potentially, it's
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too early, I would say, tred lightly. I like, we're going
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to what we tend to do when we do our reviews. We tend to
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talk about general themes and maybe story arcs if there are any characterizations. We
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try not to say exactly things that happen as much as we can because also,
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like you may not know what we're talking about anyway, so I don't
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know what. We try to keep it together. But this is the warning
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if you just don't want to hear about it whatsoever, Like if you don't
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even want even an inkling of anything before you get to watch a movie,
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then you might want to wait. Take this with a grain of salt.
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I'm warning you now. Otherwise, just listening, because we are going to
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tell you how we feel about the aspects of the movie and whether we liked
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it or not. Yeah, So before ben, before we get into any
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specifics from a high level, did you enjoy this film? The Marvel's directed
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by Nia Dacasta, starring Since We're told on this starring Iman Vallani, as
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Kamala Khan, Miss Marvel, Tianna Paris as Monica Rambau, and Relarson returning
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as Carol Denvers Captain Marble on that I enjoyed this movie. Mm hmm.
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I enjoyed parts of this film. I would say that I thought overall,
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let's let's say, okay, overall, off the top, I would give
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it about a a beat C plus. Yeah, yeah, A good.
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I think I think your mileage will vary on this film too. I think
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that's what it is too. I think it might be geared a bit younger
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than I was expecting, and that being said, I think it might work
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for that. But I also feel like it's not one of those films where
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it worked on multiple levels, where it's like you know that you know it
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can work for a younger child as well as the adults. I think for
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the adults it might be a little bit of goofy and silly and kind of
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just lightweight. I guess, you know, not substantial. I guess said
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the word Okay, I hear what you're saying. I know what you mean.
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I would I enjoyed this movie, just point blank period. I enjoyed
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it. I thought the Marvels was a lot of fun. Using your letter
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grade rating, I would give it a B plus maybe a minus. It
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was a higher for me. And unfortunately, because of so much vitual and
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hate spewed on this movie before anyone said boo, anyone said a word that,
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it unfortunately clouded a lot of people's minds like, oh my god,
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this is you know, we're going to be in trouble. Oh my god,
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it's going to be another thor love and thunder. At least in my
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head, I was like, I don't want it to be that. That
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movie I did not enjoy, okay, and also I did not really particularly
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like the Captain Marvel film. I gave it like a C minus. I
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did not like the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel characterization of the first film. I
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did not connect with her. I I'm fortunate. I felt like it was
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a film made for white women, and I just what it wasn't It didn't.
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It didn't do it for me, to be very honest, you and
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of course that doesn't And that all being said, none of that, that
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didn't mean that Breed and all these other people should have received the hate and
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the in the backlash that they did. But that's how I felt about Katain
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Marvel. My concerns about how I felt about that movie and that characterization were
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completely turned around for me in The Marvels, Okay. I felt the Marvels
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were so strong in its ensemble cast. I felt that the additions of Tianna
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Powis, Monica Rambo, and In Manvellani together all three they were extremely extremely
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strong. And for me, the breakout star and the real draw of the
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Marvels was actually a man Velani as an actor period, but also her her
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Miss Marvel. That was the big gets drawn in The Marvels. For me,
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that was the absolute heart of the film, her and her family because
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as you guys know from all the trailer's, the family is in this as
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well. But that is really what keeps you engaged the most during the movie.
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Overall, I just thought it was a solid film. Was it the
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best Marral movie? No? Was it the worst? Absolutely not. I
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just think that they have a good movie here. I would absolutely recommend it
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to people. While I have notes in questions and concerns and things that I
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felt did not work, overall, I felt very good about this film.
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I would probably recommend it as well. And I wouldn't recommend it for those
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who are, as they say, looking for answers or any of that thing,
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you know, those who are like, oh, what's how to suspend
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it to that? And where are we gonna be in phase five? And
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oh, now I can candy see the picture. If you're doing any of
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that, I would not recommend this film. I would recommend it if you
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want a good family fun you know, uh, not that long. Really,
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that's one thing. It's only an hour and a half. It's a
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yeah, you know, quick, light and lighthearted. So if you want
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a lighthearted film, this is definitely that. And yes, I everything you
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just laid out, I mean, going back to the first Captain Marvel about
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it being a white woman feminist film, a going too, you know,
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and MANI I mean my just being a absolute superstar. Like we said this,
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you can go back and listen to our views of the Miss Marvel series
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where we gushed over it, where we talked to the show runner, where
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we just constantly talked about how this young woman is the future of Marvel,
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Like we called her the new Robert Downey junior, you know, like she
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is the centerpiece of the future of Marvel. To me like and I'm feeling
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that even much more strongly now like for me, her first of all,
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her Disney Plus TV show performed way better than all the other subsequent shows have
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been coming out thus far. So and not just in performance in terms of
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reception, critical reception, audience reception, but also just in terms of,
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as we always complained about, where is the story, where's the characters?
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Where are the arc? Miss Marvel was probably one of the last Marvel shows
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in the last one year or so to me that have really hit the mark
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on all facets. There are shows that there's certain things that are okay about
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it, but then other things fell flat for me in the most recent memory,
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but Miss Marvel really did that for me, and because of the strength
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of that show and the strength of them actually taking components from that show and
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placing it in the Marvels and also really lending and you can see like there
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was a full swallow of support in the writing for Miss Marvel in the Marvels,
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for for Amava Lani's again, her way of doing that character, her
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way of bringing that character to life like that was full force in this film,
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and I think that lent a huge lifting hand to why for me,
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the Marvels as a film worked very well. Yeah, I fully agree.
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I mean I cannot deny any of that. You know, I fully agree
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with all of that. I think Mom just kills it. I think her
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family absolutely destroys it. You know, when you were just talking, I
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was just laughing at myself. Were in hell. He has you know,
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like and uses and that's and that's why one of the other is why the
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the Miss Marvel TV show was so good because it, yes, it's about
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fantastical things happening, but also, you know, to quote Don Toretto,
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like yeah, but it wasn't in a cheesy way either. It was like,
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this is something real. This is what would happen if a typical family,
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and in this case of Pakistani family, but a typical family. Color
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found out that you were a superhero and you're trying to hide in this that
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and happen and you're in Jersey City, So that that understanding was all there.
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And as mentioned it was they they follow suit within the Marvels, so
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you had so while it was great if you had seen that show as well
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as WandaVision everything else, while it was great if you did not have that
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background, they still were very smartly incorporated a lot of those threads into the
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very opening of the Marvel so that you were caught up and in line with
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what was happening, even if you never watch any of the previous stuff.
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Yeah, And I really want to give them a shout out for that,
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because that was one of the crazy that YEAH people had going in was how
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were they going to if you hadn't seen WandaVision which introduced or Captain Marvel or
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or Miss Marvel, how will be caught upon all these characters and where they're
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at right now? And I thought it was pretty brilliant. I have to
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say with the are you well done? Because Miss Marvel was well done.
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And then Monica rambaut Is caught up with Carrol and the audience and pretty much
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one hilarious line one really just sums out the wildness of WandaVision in one line,
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yes, and catches you up to where Monica is right now. And
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so I thought that it's really well done. I have to give them credit.
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Yes, So anyone, so all that stupid shit about oh how they
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gonna how they gonna connect everything and you need to have seen seen ten hours
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of other stuff to understand. That's you don't, no, don't. You
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can come in it as clean and pure with nothing else on you, and
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you will. You will still get it like they literally and they do it
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as Ben I mean said in a very expert fashion. I will give it
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up to them and in a way that anybody can understand with no context,
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no context. Yeah, And I think that was a very you know,
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very well done on their part, because that was a lot of heavy lifting
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that they had to get through to get this done and get it to a
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point where you can just enjoy this film. And there has been that complaint
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where people are like, oh, there's too much Marvel, now I gotta
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watch this, and that's and I really feel like this film does not require
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you to do any of that. And even more so than like we're wrong
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division, I mean where a Doctor Strange multiverse a madness When you watch that,
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and if you've watched one division, it's kind of like what the fuck
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kind of yeah, well, I mean Wanda was a villain in Wanda Vision,
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and she stays a villain in Docta Strang correct, So it does Pernett
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for the most part. This is more so where if you walk. If
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you didn't watch Miss marvel stuff, you're just caught up instantly. This family
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is dope as fuck. You get them. They're hilarious. Their interactions with
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Kamala are so great. So I think this did a very good job of
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that. And it'specially for it only being an hour and a half. Like,
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yeah, the other thing I want to debunk about this film that and
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again this is this is more like in Cel foolishness, but like, oh,
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it's your feminist room, where I said earlier about how one of the
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reasons why I actually did not like Captain Marvel the first film was because I
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felt like it was very like white women kind of girl power type of approach
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to it, and it was and it was overly done and it was like
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super super obvious, and it's just it just for me, it didn't track
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this. The Marvels is not this hyper feminist thing that people are making it
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out to be. And again I just liken it to the whole as I
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mentioned in celf Foolishness, because it's like you see more than one woman and
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all of a sudden it's feminist agenda and I'm just like, go sit down,
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this is not what there are a breath of women in this film.
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It is is led by women. It's actually mostly women in the film.
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It's this whole women taking over the world. Like, No, and if
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you, first of all you feel that way, you're weird. And secondly,
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that's just not what this film is about. The Marvels is not about
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that. And and that weird approach that people are saying that that you know,
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this is about racial men and blah blah, nigga, we not even
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think about you, Like, that's not what this is. So and and
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I just want to make that very clear. So that's just something else to
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debunk. As we mentioned, you know, you don't need to have all
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the background story. No, this is not some feminist agenda film. No,
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this is actually While there were points where I had questioned there was nothing
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that was overly cheesy girl power to me in this they it was. It
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was actually cute and made sense, particularly in the in the certain sequences that
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they came up in. So I just wanted to mention that stuff and no,
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thank you for doing that. And I also want to say give a
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shout out to Genisia f who says their podcast is a womanist race podcast.
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And I always like that word more than feminists because I'm also more of a
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humanist side, where I'm a person who believes that, you know, humanity
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needs to be equal for things to work out on this planet. Otherwise,
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as we have seen, we're screwed. So this idea that like you said,
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this, oh, this is a you know, man bashing film or
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something of some bullshit, because honest, somebody nobody's thinking about you bro and
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me watching it. I didn't even think about that once, and it wasn't
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until you bring it up that I'm like, oh, yeah, the antagonist
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is a woman. The three protagonists are all women. You didn't even think
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about it. It's just like, oh shit, now that you mentioned it.
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Yeah, most people that you saw, like for the first whatever,
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they were all women. Are right cool. You didn't even And that's my
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point when I said it didn't feel like heavy handed, deliberate, like it's
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just about the power of women's doing together. Who run the world? Girls?
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It's not that this is not that it is it is by virtue of
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the power that they show, of the camaraderie and family and all that shit.
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Yes, it does give that give that understanding, but it's not that
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story book you know, after school special type thing that people are trying to
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make it or certain people may try to make it out to be. No,
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not at all. Yeah, I fully agree there. I think it's
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a little more even heavy handed, and it's it's more heavy hand in the
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family. Yeah, especially as you as we can, as you go into
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the film deeper, like towards the I would say, the second half of
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the film, that's when it starts really getting a little bit a little bit
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fast and furious, and it's like, all right, I get it,
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you know, but but nothing to me while they and we'll talk about it
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soon about the things that I have notes on, the things that issues I
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had to me, there was enough fun and entertainment that it it just overrode
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those concerns. One thing, I guess this is also like a and we'll
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talk about the characters as well, but just kind of just staying on that
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path of like debunking or just confirming how you felt the special effects. What
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did you feel about the special effects? Man? I mean, all right,
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now this is where we start to get into some of my more where
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I was a little more critical of the film in this part. And this
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is just in general, man, it's not it has Sadly, it has
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little to do in Nea DaCosta. I think this is just marvel man,
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like, yeah, it's nothing to do with you. People have really pointed
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this out one light. Their color palette is very weird. It's very bland.
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Sometimes it's muted. It's muted, and it's super muted white. It's
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so muted to be like reds and blues, and yeah, reds and blues
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look more dirty then they look bright and colorful, and and especially in the
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opening. And then we saw this in Imax, right, and I was
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thinking about that when I came home, because this is like one of the
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illis Imax theaters, the Lincoln. It's huge. It's one of the best
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I've ever been in my life, honestly, and it's one of the best.
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I've looked it up in New York and it I didn't feel anything like
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that. There's this one fire ass shot of Breed leaving her ship and it's
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like upside down. It's really dope. Other than that, man, I
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was really like, and now that I do have to say, it's nia,
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and that gets into something else. I want to get the direction of
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how they shot her like floating and stuff and everything Nia comes from and this
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is we've distressed this on the show before, right. One thing that I
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love about Nea the Costa's career is that she is doing this thing that a
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lot of white men in this industry get to do. It's like they'll do
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a very small independent film that's very character driven, usually one or two people
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and you know, small locations everything, and then after that they get the
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biggest movies in the world, Like Colin Trevor Row did a very small independent
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film, turn around gets Jurassic World, and it's like, what the fuck,
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why did you deserve that? You know, after that? But why
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not? Why? But okay, for the white man is why not every
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time? Now for the black woman, it's never that Now. Nia,
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you know, did her little small film which I love with Tessa Thompson,
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very character driven, very dope movie, and then she turned around to The
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Candy Man. I really did not enjoy that film pretty much at all.
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And I think one thing is that a lot, not a lot these directors.
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Right, there's people like Steven Spielberg who their very first independent films are
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very action. You know, this is what they do. You know,
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this is what they are living for. That's their eye. How everything,
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Like his first film is this movie dual about some truck drivers, and it's
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a you know, it's got all the Steven Spielberg characteristics that you know,
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and people like James carmeron. You know, they've all His first big film
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is Terminator, and now it's a Terminator for its time. The budget is
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very small, but you see all the stuff that Cameron is going to later,
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you know, be worldwide known for now. Nia did this very small
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independent film and then they turn around to give her candy Man, which is
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definitely more you know, small stuff, but it's more feats all this big
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budget. And then you get the Marvels, which is action, huge,
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boombastic moments and stuff. And I don't I feel like these directors and these
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companies need to really make a focus on like Okay, if this person is
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the character person, then have them have a stunt team that's going to bake
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this shit crazy. And I don't really feel that with the Marvels. It
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was more like the character stuff is great, the action stuff is like okay,
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I go ahead, yeah, one last thing on that, Like with
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that pallet of stuff, especially in the beginning, Like when the introduction that
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we have the villain finding one of the Bengals that she's looking for, it
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looked like a set and a lot of it looked like, yeah, you
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know, and they're supposed to be in space and this is supposed to be
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this grand thing. Even Captain Marvel when she's floating in space of points,
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it just it doesn't feel grand. And that's what the I feel this is
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missing, even batt to Brie and Carol Danvers when she's in the End Game
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and Infinity War or whatever, when she really shows up an in game and
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she's blasting through ships, it's this moment, you know, in this I
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really didn't get that moment where it's like, yo, that's Captain Marvel.
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Yeah, she ain't one to f with, and that goes for her,
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that goes for Monica Rambo, who, while I definitely feel like she had
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a much better turnout and here than she didn't want the vision Again. It's
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like, you have to nerve these two because they're so powerful. But then
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that's my thing. Marvel has antagonists who can be on their level. Why
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not use one of them instead of making it where they just don't serve this
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fool in five seconds, because they should have served this fool in five seconds.
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Yeah, I'm gonna work on my way backwards because I do want to
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answer that question about fex and all other stuff. But I that's one of
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my biggest gripes with Marvel to date is the nerving of the power set and
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also the inconsistent, the highly inconsistent illustrations of power sets and then combinations or
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or or comparisons thereof the goombinish thereof, right, Like, I have a
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huge problem of that because when I talk about inconsistent, they truly decide to
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pick and choose when they're going to show how powerful a character is or how
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not powerful, as long as it fits within the narrative of that of that
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film or that story, and I think or that scene. Right sometimes within
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the scene of the same story, the power sets will change or the power
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levels will change, and that is a huge concern. Yeah, problem for
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me because it's just like y'all pointed out last night. Yeah, and again
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we'll get we'll get all that detail. But I wanted to just make the
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mention that that is a problem because this has been a huge concern because I'm
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just like how do people then believe you? How do people then understand the
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magnitude or as you say, the scale and scope of something such as things
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happening within the I don't want to say, the confines, the vastness of
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space, of universes and galaxies. There's a point within the Marvels where literally
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Miss Marvel travels between galaxies. And I'm talking about, excuse me, Captain
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Marvel travels between galaxies on her own volition, you know, Captain Marlics,
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Y'alloka fly and all this other shit. And I don't think it's understood the
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magnitude of what she just did because it's not shown or it hasn't been expressed
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properly, just how insaneeness is. And there's another point again, I don't
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want to I'm not going to spoil that, but there's a point in the
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movie where she does something that literally only to use the old X Men reversence
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Omega level whatever, beyond the mago there's something she does that only a being
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of that level could do. Okay, we're talking about beings that can give
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life and death. There's only a certain certain thing that could be done.
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Yeah, but but yet a few, a few scenes prior. It's like
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it's like she's she's she's tussling with with right, She's tussling in the woods
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with a bear, and it's just like wait a minute. And not literally,
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guys, I'm just trying to give you an understanding of how like it
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doesn't make sense what Marvel does this, and it's and it's annoying to me.
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Oh my god. You know what, that would have made the flash
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better if in that scene Nick Cage had been wrestling with some polar bears,
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right, and again not being literal bears, And that's a reference from the
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Nick Cage Superman film. At one point, the producer said they needed more
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action in the film, and so Kevin Smith was writing it and he was
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like, well, we need some action. When he goes to the Fortress
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of Solitude and he say it's the solitude, that's why he goes like goddamn,
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like really, So he was like, well, we need to manchine.
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So Kevin Smith was like, all right, well, on page one
25:11
five, Superman rastles some polar bears. Yeah, because they're there, right.
25:14
But anyway, my whole point of my whole point of saying all that
25:17
was I don't like how they only they use yeah, yeah, they use
25:26
characters power levels just simply to fit that scene and then will change it up
25:32
perhaps two scenes later. It's like, well, wait, I thought you
25:36
were one of the most powerful beings out there. Why why why is you?
25:41
Why is you going toe to toe with Scooby Doo. I don't know
25:42
that scene you were talking about that It is like like holy shit, yeah
25:51
like this, and again, this is not relegated just to the Marbles.
25:53
This is relegated across I would say the least at least the last maybe at
25:57
least five years. I don't know, because and also I say it makes
26:02
sense that this is fire you because that's when they started introducing the god and
26:04
celestial level beings, right, And I think they have a problem or they're
26:10
sure of how to. I understand in certain reasons nerving certain characters because the
26:15
truth is, if that character showed up, everybody would die, right or
26:18
everybody would be beat or what have you. I get it, But there's
26:22
ways you can more artfully express it by but still keeping it interesting. And
26:27
I just don't know if Marvel has found that happy medium yet with all characters.
26:33
It's particularly their extra extra superpower characters. I just don't know. And
26:37
also that is an ongoing problem with Marvel characters in general, because they tend
26:41
to be God focused, they tend to be celestial focused, they tend to
26:45
be universally galaxy multi dimensional, the higher level ones that they're trying to introduce
26:52
now. So it's just like, how I see that it's been a struggle
26:55
for them to go from earthbound characters with exception of thor earthbound characters, how
27:00
that works out to now you're introducing a fucking celestial in the middle of the
27:03
ocean or whatever the fuck, right, Like, I just I get it.
27:06
I see that there's this, there's still the struggle. The struggle has
27:07
not ended. It's still ongoing, y'all. But because that's Celestia was still
27:11
not brought up, and you would think somebody like Captain Marvel would be interested
27:15
in that. No, because she's not interested in that. Remember, she's
27:17
interested in saving the guys. She she established that she did even with thirty
27:22
goddamn years. So whatever, you know, you're right, she should have
27:26
father us. I'm going off for some milk. I never fucking came,
27:27
all right, Now, that's that. I love that they made the white
27:30
woman do that out of everybody. That's fantastic. By the way, let's
27:34
leave your kids behind. I do want to go back then, Daddy.
27:41
I do want to go back then to my original question to you, which
27:42
was, how did you feel about the special effects. The special effects were
27:48
mixed bag for me. Yes, there were signs that scene you were just
27:51
talking about, yeah, and now I don't think about it. That was
27:53
some ship. Yeah, you know, that was some out of control like
27:56
there was. It was a mixed bag because and it literally for this film,
28:00
the Marvels fifty to fifty. There were times where I was like,
28:03
Yo, that looks fucking amazing. Unlike you, I actually really enjoyed the
28:07
fight scenes, the action sequences. I didn't have no problems with it.
28:11
I thought the fight scenes particularly were really well done because my another issue I
28:17
had always having marbles, like I felt like, and also because you hadn't
28:18
seen enough of the female characters that really fucking punching each other through fucking walls
28:26
and chips and going in like I'm used to when I see women heroes fighting,
28:32
I'm used to wonder woman level DC DC animation levels like type stuff.
28:37
Whereas like Wonder Woman going to total toad with everybody, right, they and
28:42
they do. They throwing fifty six pieces at each other and it's not no
28:45
hesitation is bomb bomb you know what I'm saying, some injustice level shit.
28:49
Okay, what I felt here when I was watching the marvels, I felt
28:55
I was getting Capcom versus Marvel vibes, and I love it. They did
28:59
for me. They did so well the switch the switch outs and ends of
29:03
all three Marvel character you know, Miss Marvel, Captain, Captain Rambau and
29:07
so on. Like they they did so well in executing that idea that all
29:12
three were entangled with each other. So then how do they then use that
29:17
as a strength, right and how do they first of all, how do
29:18
they work through that? Which again I thought that was brilliantly done of how
29:22
they even basically trained up to actually being able to work together when they're bounding
29:27
that way, and also as mentioned in the fight scenes, I just think
29:32
to see the and then it actually showed a progression from them being like what
29:34
the fuck is happening and they're not working together to really working together as a
29:38
unified team dead ass gaming like you're fighting you do the switch out real quick.
29:44
You know, bong, I'm gonna throw I'm ana throwing Captain Marvel,
29:48
do do an energy thing power I'm gonna throw in Miss Marvel and do the
29:51
you know, the fists, like literally all that shit that you would think
29:53
would make sense in the context of them, like if you do like a
29:56
combo sequence and like like any like really major game. Now that's what it
30:00
felt like, Like it felt smooth and it made sense to me. So
30:03
I really actually enjoyed the fight scenes. Were there times where the direction and
30:08
the imagery like it was a confusing and it was a little like like shaky
30:11
cam. Yes, there were some of that stuff whatever, And again I
30:15
felt that shit worked. And some of the scenes in space absolutely did work.
30:21
Some of the the like the display of the power sets, like the
30:25
energy auras, the dissipation of energy, the absorbs and of energy between the
30:29
three characters. I think that looked really good as well. Where it did.
30:33
What it fell short for me in terms of special effects was what you
30:36
said, like the way certain things just looked it was very muted and it's
30:40
like it could have been more vibrant. I did agree that there were a
30:44
lot of general random scenes, particularly like a scene like when they're on like
30:48
a moon or a planet or whatever, and even certain other plants where it
30:51
did like look like I said, I mean to the point where Darband like
30:55
she's she's touching things, she's moving stuff around, and it looks like cyrophone.
30:59
It looks in the even sounds like yes, And I was like,
31:02
ooh, they shot that, but that was like what do they call the
31:08
sound people, the graphers, the folio artist. I was just like,
31:12
ooh, I think they needed give the foliods more time on that one,
31:15
because like it's just like I could just did not feel grand as you as
31:21
you said. And then of course I mentioned earlier a few moments ago about
31:25
like there was some shaky camp stuff happening where you may not been sure what
31:27
was going on, but I understand the whole point was to express the chaoticness
31:32
of what was going on in that and fine, whatever. There were a
31:36
few close up shots of miss Marvel in space where I was just like,
31:40
ooh, that looks muddy, like like her face was even like blurry a
31:42
little bit. And I know, like that's been a big point of contention
31:45
in recent Marvel film that they were like, yo, why is this final
31:48
film? Why is shit blurry? And we all come to find out And
31:52
and also kudos to the graphic artists and designers and everyone in the art who's
31:56
trying to form a union now and it make sure now because they a lot
32:01
of times they have literally worked to the bone and beyond and then they they
32:07
trunk kate timelines for these films and say, Okay, the stuff that really
32:10
takes ten months of work, we want you'all to do it in three and
32:13
it's just impossible. And so I do I don't be I'm meaning myself say
32:17
that with a grand so like we're giving our critique, but we also recognize
32:21
some of this is out of control of the animators as well, because they're
32:23
being asked to do something, they're being asked to do the impossible. So
32:30
that's the same that applies to Nia, the Costa as well, and all
32:34
these directors. They're all working under a system that is unsustainable and it's some
32:37
bullshit, and that's why everybody is on strike right now because this, you
32:43
know, cannot sustain itself and they're being asked to do things they shouldn't be
32:46
asked to do, like Nia herself said she signed up for a two year
32:50
commitment, which is already crazy, but that's you know, usual, and
32:52
that's how it works. You know, you're signing away two years of your
32:54
life to do a film, and then it turns out that now it's a
32:59
three year commitment at half three and a half. I signed up for two
33:01
years, and I gave y'all two years, and probably gave y'all three for
33:06
real, because you were probably working her ass before she even signed the contract
33:09
in the first place, so it's probably three years already, so it's probably
33:12
four and a half years of her life. She's already dedicated to this,
33:15
like come on, fam no. Like, so if the opening sequence looks
33:19
a little money, I can understand, because you know, things happened.
33:22
But yeah, yeah, And going back to what you said, I thought
33:25
the training sequence was super fire, Like I loved it. You know,
33:30
that was like its eighties training sequence but made it you know, not girl
33:36
power, but like family oriented, friends getting to know each other, everybody
33:40
hanging out on a long trip. But also we got a train for this
33:45
big fight that's cover it up. So I love that and it didn't feel
33:46
corny. What I was there was a lot of corny shit happening for me
33:52
and miss and Captain Marvel. The first film, Oh god, they got
33:54
rid of all of that. There was none of that. I've seen Captain
33:58
Marvel the one time we saw it at the you know screening. I've never
34:00
watched it again. I had no desire. I will say that though this
34:06
one suffers from God, damn it. I gotta say it the folks,
34:09
there's there are more BacT boys songs out there, you know, Marvel another
34:15
problem Marvel not with all this on the nose like music, this ship is.
34:22
Yeah, James Gunn started this thing I feel with Marvel where it's all
34:27
these needle drops, and he's very good at it. He's one of those
34:30
directors who knows music and uses it well. Even him, I feel like
34:34
pushes the limit a lot in Guardians Fear, I felt like you pushed the
34:37
limit. And this is one of those ones where it's just like you don't
34:40
need it. It was music. Choices were I roll in this many times?
34:47
The let's talk about I think we should. I don't know if you
34:51
want to talk about the overall story, you want to talk about the characters?
34:55
Yeah, because all right, something that I guess I have to say
34:59
and it it hurts me to say this, right, And I thought about
35:01
it all night since we came home because I really didn't want to say this.
35:06
But there's like, there was a lot of hate towards Breed Laws and
35:09
you know, I went to the Captain Marvel set. We distrusted it.
35:13
I met Brian person. I think in person she's so kind, so sweet,
35:17
extremely beautiful, just a seems like a really chill person. And she
35:22
caught all of this hate. People are like blah blah blah. Man,
35:28
man, man, I have to say, man, after two of these
35:30
films, I don't I'm not sure what it is. I don't find her
35:35
charismatic as Carol Danvers, like I think in Endgames she bounces off of Chris
35:43
Hemsworth and the rest of them very well, and in this she can bounce
35:45
off in Mine and Tiana herself. I'm not you know, I guess,
35:52
yeah, yeah, we'll talk about her, Yeah, you know, I
35:54
don't. Let's finish with Breed well not even free but but but Carol Divers,
36:00
yeah, and Tarol Danvers, but yeah, as Tarol Devers, I
36:01
just don't find her engaging. I don't find her like she has brief moments
36:07
from like ooh, there it is, but for the most part, it's
36:09
just like it's so flat. And so it's kind of how I found Rosario's
36:15
performance as Ahsoca, where it's like, I get it, this character's been
36:19
through a lot and she's military, et cetera. But Ahsoka before this has
36:22
this levity that she's missing now even though I get it, she's been through
36:27
a lot, and Bree is just missing any levity to me at all.
36:30
For the most part, it's just always like I'm here, you know,
36:34
her portrail and not read, but her portrayal of trail. Yeah, Carol
36:37
Danvers, I don't know. This is echoing what I said to you about
36:44
what I felt about the Captain Marvel film. I did not connect or particularly
36:49
like Carol Danvers Captain Marvel. I didn't feel it. And in the places
36:53
where Carol Captain Marvel is by herself, I'm just like, all right,
36:59
cool, you know, we're just in a room together. Where this strengthened
37:02
her was the ensemble, the ensemble of all three of the Marvel beings together.
37:08
That's what absolutely helped and uplift that characterization of Carol Danvers because again not
37:16
really the biggest fan in the MCU. And now like when y'all all together,
37:21
Oh, it's a fucking party, and I was with it. You
37:24
mentioned yeah, I want to hear what you're gonna say about Yeah. First
37:29
of all, yeah, she is fine and she looks absolutely gorgeous in the
37:34
film Tiana. Tiana's captain Rambo, Monica Rambo. We get it, we
37:47
get it. Uh, that's all I'm gonna say. I don't know yet
37:52
if I'm connected to Monica. So here's the thing. I have my concern
38:00
with how they wrote her, and I keep saying the word concerned. I
38:07
was annoyed by how she was the pict Wanda vision we talked about that was
38:13
it over two years ago? Now, how it was giving Mammy. It
38:19
was giving strangeness, not doctor, but strangeness about and I get it,
38:24
like you're trying to say she's she's she's a humanist, and this and this
38:28
and that, and the jumping in front of human the jumping kids for a
38:34
bullet, for giving a white woman, for terrorized to the town and forgiving
38:39
being the only forgiving even the white people in the town, was like,
38:42
fuck you want you And this woman talking about they'll never know what sacrifice.
38:47
I don't know, and and perhaps I don't know. I don't know.
38:52
Again, this capturization just of this of this version of Monica just being so
38:55
hope filled. She I did like that in this film. She she does
39:00
show a different emotion besides just hope. Right, it's she also shows annoyance,
39:07
disappointment, sadness towards Carol. Okay, fine, And you guys saw
39:12
that in like the most recent trailers, like there's there's some there's there's some
39:16
unfinished business there. Okay, fine. I still like, while I feel
39:21
better about how she came out from Wanna Vision, I'm still not all the
39:24
way there with her. I don't I don't know if it's it could be
39:29
the writing, could be the way it's being that is being I don't know.
39:31
I always go back to the writing because the writing is going to while
39:35
while the actor has to bring about the life of what's being written is like
39:39
that's what's being written, right, and and that's what they're being essentially told
39:45
to do. Yes, actors have some level of autonomy, but it's also
39:46
just like well like they they have, but so much to go on.
39:52
So I don't. I don't know. I don't know what it is yet.
39:53
I think maybe we just need more time with Monica, because, to
39:55
be honest, yeah, this is the most time we've had at Monica.
40:00
This is the most time we had with Tiana Paris's Monica. Yeah, and
40:05
and in a way that wasn't necessarily just tied to like Wanda or somebody else
40:09
or you know what I mean. Like, yes, it's an ensemble,
40:13
like I said, but she still stands on her own much more in this
40:15
film. I still just don't think we have enough time to really see what's
40:21
happening. And at the end of the movie they telegraph that maybe we will
40:24
get something more focused. I would love a Monica focused and there and there
40:30
and without spoiling what happens at the end of end credit scene and the end
40:35
of the film. That's was one of my issues coming out of this is
40:37
because of the vastness of the Marvel universe. Now, even though we have
40:42
all of these different films and series going on, we still gotta wait years
40:46
to find out what happens to a particular character. Because now it's it's what
40:51
if it's coming out in December, which won't solve anything just to tell you
40:54
stories, which is could be great. I can't wait. I love what
40:58
if? And then we have Echo, so it's like that we're going back
41:00
to the street and whatever happened with these cosmic characters? Who knows? And
41:06
and that's the big problem right now because it's how you have all these things.
41:08
But when you talk about I don't need answers, but I just need
41:13
if I'm watching one series, if I'm watching Lost, and you know,
41:16
I'm like, damn, w what's to happen to these motherfuckers on this island?
41:20
I know next season I'm gonna find out whish to happen these motherfuckers on
41:22
this island. But now with Marvel being so huge, I don't have no
41:27
clue when I'm gonna find out what's happen any motherfuckers on the island, because
41:30
I'm gonna have to go find out wis to happen these people over in Manhattan
41:32
and these people over in California and these people over here and the next universe.
41:37
And so because of that where I'm not looking for answers before anyone comes
41:40
to me like oh yeah, don't you see what's eavy? You know,
41:44
we're going to Secret Wars and the Secret Wars no shit, Sharlot. But
41:46
that's one film and that's like not going to give me any time with these
41:52
characters. That's going to be a big mashup of a lot of things going
41:54
on, and it's not gonna be what I want to see from Auntie Monica,
42:00
Monica Rambo, the leader the Avengers, the character that I grew up
42:02
loving, And if we just had a series following Monica, I would get
42:07
that. I honestly, that's what I really want, because like I like,
42:10
I don't know what to make Like I don't even know what to make
42:12
of like they try. You could see that they're trying to essentially maybe pin
42:15
a lot of things on Monica. But then to your point, she's just
42:19
gonna be in stasis to whatever movie you know, how many years from now
42:22
as far as I know, right, maybe we'll see some more in other
42:28
films. I'm hoping, and who knows, They're like how long do we
42:30
have to wait to see I don't know who Monica is incu version, I
42:35
don't know who Monica is really, and that and that's the difference, like
42:37
people keep talking about, well, you know, just wait, we waited
42:39
for this to that, but before it was because it was such a tight
42:43
knit group. You know, it was five core Avengers and it wasn't even
42:45
five us, just Iron Man being introduced, then the Store being introduced,
42:49
and then you got to know them all and then very quickly, well not
42:51
very quickly, but within five years they came together and had the Avengers where
42:53
you saw them all interacting, and then they went back and you had another
42:58
Iron Man movie. So it was like, immediately you got to keep following
43:00
these characters. But now it's like, we had a Miss Marvel series.
43:04
Who the hell knows when we'll get another Miss Marvel series? Yeah, if
43:06
ever, And I don't know. It's frustrating because even though there's hints to
43:10
what's coming and I'm I'm like, trust there's there's another big moment at the
43:15
end where my ass if even even though it ain't the com up with version
43:20
of what I wanted, it's still getting closer to it, and I'm like,
43:22
oh ship getting excited. At the same time, it's like when motherfucker
43:29
you know how you get you. I just again, just just just to
43:31
close that note about mocran ball and to you, I don't think we've had
43:37
enough time with her, and we've and again people say, well, you
43:40
know, you do know a little you know, a backstory. You know,
43:43
she's a scientist and she's just she's smart and and Auntie Carroll is like,
43:45
all right, but who is she on her own? Who is she?
43:49
You know, you know, ten toes down like the last years wre
43:52
Carroll, you know, when her mom but she was remember she was blipped.
43:58
She was blipped, so she lost a lot of her life too.
44:00
But you know, okay, let's talk about how to talk about that.
44:02
Yeah, let's talk about that. Serve her boob before she got blipped,
44:07
you know, like who she you know, what happened? Yeah, did
44:09
she have a bo her love life, you know, what was going on
44:12
with it? I want to know, right, especially the way that they're
44:15
they are the implications of the end of the Marvels, y'all have got to
44:20
give me more, Monica. There's no fucking ways. I don't feel like
44:22
we are until a big nets you know, a big matchup movie, especially
44:28
with that end, because the way that end is set up, it does
44:30
not feel like they're gonna be like, oh, well, here's you know,
44:32
the Monica series. Yeah, it does not feel like that. I
44:36
could be wrong. Maybe next week I'll be eating these words, maybe to
44:39
Asna and you know, next week is announced to Anam to what we were
44:45
saying about, to Adams, what we were saying about Miss Marvel and monv
44:50
Miss Marble. Just continuing to love her. They leaned in so hard on
44:54
how they were able to build her up from the TV show. They let
44:59
in mind being mon and really continue to express that that fan. You know
45:06
that you have power too, but you're a fan, right, And it's
45:08
like, oh, like it was giving me shades of like when Peter Parker
45:10
first got it. Oh oh, mister Stark. Mister Stark gave me that.
45:14
It's like at the end of the day, like this is still a
45:15
kid, as a young kid that while they have powers and they're learning themselves
45:19
into it, they're a teenager and they are fucking mind blown when their heroes
45:24
are like talking to them and tapping them up or even giving them the time
45:29
of day. Like they make it very clear, like I'm in the same
45:31
fucking room and reading the same air, just like in real life when we
45:36
see here and we see our heroes or we talk to their heroes where we
45:37
meet them at the comic cons or you meet them at the conferences or events
45:40
and you're like, oh my god, that person wrote every book I ever
45:45
read for the last thing, you know, I'm saying like that level of
45:50
and and and even they even have a common common conversation about that, that
45:54
level of like almost you're making someone into a deity, Like how how that's
45:59
both good and right? Like I think the way that they were able to
46:04
allow her to express that and just continue being her but also just be a
46:07
character that everyone can cling on to, Like Iman is the audience right,
46:13
Imman exemplifies a lot of what the audience feels throughout the different scenes in the
46:17
film. Miss Marvel okay to be specific, but I just felt like she
46:22
was too. Miss Marvel was a tether to like the best parts of everything
46:28
that I liked about the Marvels, not easily, yeah, absolutely, just
46:35
and one thing like that. I think she is like a lightweight version of
46:39
Deadpool where she talks about things in a meta sense where he is the audience
46:46
are getting the inside joke. It's not like she's turning to the camera and
46:51
being like I'm in this movie, right, now. But things that she
46:53
says are so meta. At she's not breaking the fourth wall, but she's
46:58
being very meta. But she's pushed on that fourth wall. She ain't breaking
47:00
it, but she's like leaning on it, like y'all know what I'm saying.
47:05
Right here, there's a line she says in this film. This is
47:07
not a spoiler if there's a line she says in this film where they're looking
47:10
at her her information, right, and you know it's hold on before I
47:17
mentioned that any names. Just want to make sure that it's public that this
47:21
person is in the film, Yes, Nick Fury, So Nick, okay,
47:23
I just want to make sure because I didn't seen the letter. So
47:27
Nick Fury, you know, says you know, we have intel on you,
47:29
right, And they're looking at it on their little tablet and Kamala goes,
47:35
well, why is it on a clear screen? Yes? And it's
47:37
just like little things that you know, as an audience, like the audience
47:40
that we were with actually a lot of them that erupted into laughing, like
47:44
giggles and stuff, and they were like, well, damn, you're right,
47:45
Like like the stuff that we would ask Bet, I mean ourselves would
47:49
ask like you know, when things are obvious and we're like, why would
47:52
y'all do that? Or why did she say that? Or why did they
47:53
do? You know what I'm saying, like the things that you, as
47:55
as an observer would probably question it ask that was that? Was Kamala doing
48:02
right? Like she was doing that? And that's why I said serving as
48:06
a as the the standing for what an audience member would be if they were
48:09
in that position, and then being an audience member who's also a super fan
48:14
like we all are audience members, she's a super fan in real life,
48:17
like yeah, so it's like something and she also is a superfan where without
48:22
being a that's that four fall leaning when I'm talking about, because she knows
48:25
things that are not those things, but she'll inhabit scenes that we as the
48:30
audience have seen and make references to things that we've seen that her character hasn't
48:35
seen. But because she's making those reference, we're all like oh and laughing
48:39
at the drugs and stuff like. That whole end sequence that we're not gonna
48:43
you know, spoil for you is just such a meta moment. And I
48:46
was, you know, in my chair streaming damn near finishing Kamala's lines for
48:51
her and shit, yeah yeah, Samuel Jackson, Nick Fiery, Nick Fury,
48:58
right, like great, he's great, he's great. No notes like
49:00
continue doing your thing. Yeah yeah, let's get to the notes. Were
49:06
getting notes. The family was great all that. Yeah, let's talk about
49:09
dar Ben play by Zie ashton O. Dark Bean is the alleged that I
49:15
gotta say, a legend big bad in this film. I will say this,
49:19
that woman is a quite attractive woman, you know, and they made
49:22
her look quite unattractive, so you know that that worked. You know,
49:27
like as a villain, she is definitely unattractive, you know, giving me
49:30
her facial expressions are like no, I don't know about that bend. But
49:37
she was giving me uncle vice because in this film she has like gold teeth,
49:42
like they're like, oh, you don't need to make yourself so ugly.
49:45
Woman, Like she is really going on, Like I know I don't
49:50
feel the same, but okay, okay, I wasn't feeling it all,
49:52
but let's talk about her. I wasn't feeling dark Ben, like all right,
49:58
let me let me talk about this. This is from a writing perspective
50:00
and just it's the same issue I have with Loki, where dar Ben's whole
50:06
issue is created in this film. Well, I mean, we saw the
50:09
actions that led to it in the first film, but we don't see why
50:15
she's doing what she's doing now, Like she's motivated by what Carol does in
50:19
the first film, but then that led to a big civil warship which we
50:23
we don't what. Yeah, we had no like what, And so because
50:30
of that, it's like, Okay, this pre civil Ward did all these
50:32
things and that's why dar Ben is moving, which was paused by Carol.
50:37
Yes, but I needed to see some of the Cree civil War to give
50:39
a shit about the Creed, because honestly, I've never given a shit about
50:43
the Creed. We never had a reason to. For the most part,
50:45
they've been used as villains, So why should I care now that their world
50:50
is fucked up and dar Ben has to go on this, you know,
50:53
trying to save them, and hers have saving them are so extreme that it's
50:59
like, I didn't understand why Darband was so aggie in this film. Let's
51:04
just because we didn't see any of it, right, And when I said
51:06
didn't understand, like they said why she was mad, I didn't understand why
51:09
she was I was like okay, and like who you know, like die
51:15
every day, be like it was the problem, Like I don't know,
51:16
like it's it wasn't. I do agree with too that there was a critical
51:20
point, but also just from a villain perspective, this was a very one
51:23
note, flat villain again when yeah, even once you know their motivations,
51:29
even if I'd seen the Crease Civil War, it would still be Darbin is
51:32
just boring as fuck. Darban is boring. It's Darban powerful. I don't
51:37
know, because they again with this whole power set, power level depiction.
51:40
I don't know what's fucking going on with this. Sometimes you would think she's
51:45
on part with Captain Marvel and it's like how And other times it's just like
51:49
the most simple thing, the most simple thing fucks her up, and it's
51:52
just like, well, shit, if that's it, then why can't Captain
51:55
Marvel take care of her? So again, it just doesn't make sense that
51:59
the they she doesn't matter. I'm gonna tell y'all right now, dar Ben
52:02
does not matter no whatsoever. Literally, and what I found and because we're
52:09
going into our notes right the issues we've had with the film, they're so
52:14
dar Benn being one of them just simply means to an end. They serve
52:19
no true purpose. They are a narrative means to get a character from point
52:22
A to point B, quite literally, and then they don't even help the
52:28
character on an arc, which was one of my big issues for the film
52:31
point B in terms of they need to get from from McDonald's to Burger King.
52:36
That's what they're doing. That's I feel like a lot of characters in
52:39
the film move plot, but they don't move character. Like plot doesn't move
52:43
the character in the film. It's like these characters moved a plot and then
52:46
at the end of it, they're pretty much the same characters that we knew
52:49
from before. There's not really any like, oh man, that was I
52:52
went on a journey with these people from the film. I felt no journey
52:57
from dar Ben. I found no journey from pretty much like you said that
53:00
I and I like that you mentioned the plot versus character. She was a
53:04
vehicle to drive plot. Yeah, nothing about character, And there were and
53:07
there was actually done a few times where things didn't fucking matter, and it's
53:12
just like, so why do we do all this? And that Again,
53:15
not to say that I still didn't enjoy the movie anyway, But it was
53:19
a note like what was the point, like just to I think, just
53:24
to kill and then it's just like what then you are long time and the
53:29
movie's not long. And that's what I'm saying. It's just like, but
53:30
you're wasting time by doing things to kill time. You are wasting time or
53:35
wasting millions of dollars were wasting potentially getting me closer to something that's meaningful.
53:40
Right, So I I am all right, nigga, you mad next.
53:45
And that's literally and and from the beginning to end, by the end,
53:49
you're just it's literally that it's like, all right next, Yeah, I
53:52
mean literally, Like at the end of the film, I did not remember
53:55
exactly what happened to Darwin. Honestly, I remember, I know the crucial
54:01
moment of what happened, the point of top they I just talked about where
54:04
the power levels just made no sense anymore. And after that, I'm not
54:07
sure exactly what happened. And I don't care for those people who saw Miss
54:13
Marvel Disney. Plus, the same thing that happened in that film happened to
54:16
Darvin. Excuse that the TV show happened to Dartvin. Damn I forgot what
54:21
happened to I don't I remember, And that's how i'mna leave it at that,
54:24
because that way for those who know you know, and those who don't
54:29
you're not. I haven't told you anything. So the same thing happens at
54:32
the end of that that happens here. So yeah, dar Ben, like
54:36
we were distressing there, Like Marvel definitely has a villain problem. We've you
54:39
know, it's been said many a time that a lot of their villains are
54:42
whack or they get turned into the heroes like Loki and then you don't have
54:45
a villain anymore. But Darbin is up there with and I don't even know
54:51
my man, you know, curse was the other dark mallekis Malachus from Thrower
54:54
to Dark World. Darbin is battling for forgettable. Yeah, and history of
55:04
Darban, like, first of all, found out that they ginger vended it
55:07
used to be a man or a male character whatever, who cares the history
55:10
of that, Like it was Darbin and another Cree soldier that they and this
55:16
is in the comments. They put a plan in place to assassinate the ruler
55:20
of the Cree at the time. The ruler's name is called clumsy folop and
55:24
this is some this is what I'm talking about when I'm like, this is
55:28
some shrowm shit that Marvel was on at the time, because it's like,
55:30
what are y'all talking about? And as soon as I said it, because
55:32
I don't know this shit, right, this is comics and this is old
55:35
school comms, I don't know what's going on. I told Ben. Ben
55:37
was just like, oh my god. I started laughing. Yep, uh
55:40
yeah. So that's plain clumsy foul comes from back when I was reading the
55:45
Silver Surfer comic. This is actually when I fell in love with the Silver
55:46
Surfer and galast this is you can't receive him. He's up a little higher
55:51
on my wall. But my obsession with Galatus started back there. And at
55:55
this home there was a whole cree straw war. I mean, there's always
55:58
a cree straw war went on in the comics, but at the time it
56:00
was really going down and the Kreese I can't remember who assassinated or they know
56:07
that's what it was to they like they have the Supreme intelligence, just like
56:09
how Captain Marvel blew up the Supreme Intelligence in the first Captain Marvel film,
56:14
The supreme intelligence. I think Silver Surfer wrecks it in the comics, and
56:17
somehow because of that, this dude, clumsy follow Up, who isn't even
56:22
a cree, He's another type of alien. He's a weird looking little dude
56:25
with these big jowls. He gets elected to be the supreme leader of the
56:31
Creed. I cannot remember how this how, yeah, I can't remember.
56:37
It was something. It was some nonsense. And his name is clumsy foll
56:38
Up. He was a joke character obviously. In fact, I didn't find
56:42
this out till way later, but like I mean recently, like last year,
56:47
I think I found this out. There's a whole history of clumsy folo
56:51
Up because the writer clumsy Foloup is actually a joke character based on an editor
56:57
at Marvel. So the dude was take making shots, like I think he
57:01
was even taking shots at the editor in chief like clumsy follow Like he's basically
57:05
saying the editor in chief of Marvel at the time is clumsy follow Like everything
57:08
he touches fucks up. But somehow he gets elected to be the leader of
57:13
the Creed or the leader of Marvel. So it was like some heavy shots
57:17
being thrown. You're googling who is clumsy foll Up based on right now?
57:21
No? No, no, no, no, I was doing something totally
57:22
different. I was just what, Yeah, so clumsy, So that's why
57:25
he is. But clumsy follo Up unfortunately is not in this movie because that
57:30
would be taking shots begging this editor who I think passed away now, so
57:32
they don't want any of that drama. But yeah, basically, Darbin was
57:37
a minor character who wasn't much of anything in the comments and ain't much of
57:42
anything in the MCU. It doesn't make sense, does does darbann in this
57:45
film? Does she have grown in the accuser's mallet? Yeah, well,
57:47
okay, dar Ben is an accuser. There's more than one. Yeah,
57:52
there are a bunch of accusers. Roanan is one of them. She has
57:55
Ronan's mallet, but what she doesn't have is the powerstone, which made Rona's
58:00
mallet able to take on the Guardians of the Galaxy. But looks familiar,
58:06
and dar Ben does have one of the Bengals that uh, Miss Marvel is
58:10
the other one, but once again, Miss Marvel's not on the level of
58:14
Captain Marvel, and Captain Marvel goes toe to toe with Dantos. Like,
58:16
that's why I didn't get to say they're doing people are going to tear this
58:20
ship apart on that level because it's really silly. It's like Captain Marvel goes
58:25
toe to toe with Dannos the last time we see her and then struggles with
58:30
dar beIN. It needs needs help with darn right, and then the scene
58:37
Yeah, depending on seeing Monica alone should put in work on Darbinos could probably
58:43
take on I mean, who should serve Darbin but and then and then for
58:46
that matter, like the one who should struggle with dar Ben is Miss Marvel,
58:52
but even Miss Marvel should be able to fight dar beIN. Yeah,
58:55
and yet it takes all three of them to handle this clown for reasons,
59:00
for reasons, right, so uh yeah, not noting that dark Ben is
59:05
definitely the weak leak in this film, and that's that's probably why I walked
59:09
away. Like last night where I walked away, I was like, I
59:12
probably would have given this movie a D walking out of it because yeah,
59:15
Ben was not with it with the ships at all. When we walked I
59:17
was like, wow, surprising, Yeah I didn't, I didn't. I
59:21
was surprised that y'all liked it that much, and I was even Chico Leo
59:24
shout out to the brother Chico Leo. He came through for the screening last
59:27
night and he really enjoyed it. And Chiko Leo is a harsher and she
59:30
don't like nothing. I will ever be. She don't like nothing, so
59:35
for him, like, we all had a great time. So anyway,
59:37
and that's when I wanted to sit with it. And when I did sit
59:39
with it overnight, I really did, like damn, I really am on,
59:43
like god fucking damn this woman. Can you know, It's like back
59:46
in the day my man said, I could listen to Snoop read the phone
59:50
Book, you know, Snoop Dogg read the phone Book, and it's the
59:52
same thing with them. I could watch her through anything, and I'm highly
59:55
entertained. Other notes for this film, they're were some goofy things, some
1:00:01
goofy scenes or or inclusions that I'm just like, y'all didn't have to throw
1:00:07
that y'all didn't like, we didn't need. Like the film is not dark
1:00:13
or or dour by any point, Like yes, there's there's there's there's things
1:00:17
that are important and potentially sad, but there's nothing on the level of damn,
1:00:22
this is depressing, So it didn't need injections of like honestly, like
1:00:28
what's his face level humor from from like the Thort series, the later Thort
1:00:31
series, like it did you thought it got that bad? No? No,
1:00:37
no, it was just certain things where I could tell it gains You're
1:00:39
right, you're right, you're uh who who? Who directed it? So
1:00:49
there were certain there were a couple of scenes where I'm like, this is
1:00:52
this is this is almost like it was just wild, like where's this?
1:00:55
Why is this happening? There was one where there was one and I'm not
1:00:59
gonna give it away it involves goose, or involves involves goose. Yep,
1:01:04
where I actually thought it was. It was just so outrageous that it was
1:01:07
it was funny, right, and I'm like, all right, good and
1:01:10
it made sense in the moment. I'm like, okay, fine, whatever,
1:01:14
fine. I could see that in a common but greet grade. Then
1:01:15
there was another scene where it was just like why did y'all throw this in
1:01:19
here? Like literally, like you threw it in there because you felt like
1:01:22
you needed to inject that level of tycho t T type humor. But I'm
1:01:24
like, but why, like, we weren't we weren't depressed. It wasn't
1:01:30
a serious and that's what I'm saying. There was never a point in this
1:01:31
film where I'm just like, damn, that's almost negativity and so dark.
1:01:36
Ah. I hate saying like it was none of that. It was just
1:01:38
oh, you know, all right, you know, let's let's you know,
1:01:42
keep the things are happening, let's keep going. We don't necessarily need
1:01:45
then a weird song of dance happening. Like I just I just didn't understand
1:01:50
and I'm not gonna say exactly what happened, but it just I just didn't
1:01:53
get Like I was like, why are we throwing that in there? And
1:01:55
then again characters that don't matter that you may never see again or if we
1:01:59
do again, good luck, but you may never see this person again.
1:02:02
And it's just like, well, what was the point. And really,
1:02:05
once again, it feels like how they did with Darban, it was just
1:02:07
a means to an end. This is a way for them to get some
1:02:10
some some new some uh some new comic book hero suits, some new uh
1:02:15
you know what I mean. Everything like when happens just like okay, someone
1:02:22
I said that earlier. I need to get from my house and I need
1:02:24
to get in the uber to go to the fucking party. You're right,
1:02:29
what am I going to do in the middle of that? Like? Who?
1:02:30
It doesn't matter what fucking uber You're getting, right, So don't you
1:02:34
get there? Right? And see that goes back to what I was saying,
1:02:37
because that's not your characters aren't driving this plot. The plot is driving
1:02:40
these characters. The characters aren't like, yo, I need to solve this
1:02:44
issue that I have and that leads me to this and that. It's like
1:02:47
the plot is like you need a new suit, so this leads you to
1:02:51
this and that. So let's let's let's interject this random detour for no real
1:02:55
and it's not really a detour, but the point is it is just like
1:02:58
it's just something all right, whatever it is, okay, they're they're just
1:03:06
there were a couple and again world and this is for me, myself and
1:03:10
I These were not things that typically technically detracted from the film. Like I
1:03:15
was just like, damn, that really fucked me up, and I was
1:03:17
upset that they didn't know. It was just notes out of stuff. I'm
1:03:21
like, I could have did I could have did without Yeah, so whatever,
1:03:24
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's my big the big hole in
1:03:29
this film for me is Darbit and everything that happens around her is just like
1:03:34
whatever. And because of that, that's you know, that's your intigonist and
1:03:37
that's that that does take away from a lot of it. And because of
1:03:39
that, I don't like this. This film is its fat to me.
1:03:44
If it's why, it's the exact same problems I'm having with Loki, where
1:03:47
it's like Tom Hitdleston and mon are just fucking incredible. I can watch them
1:03:53
do anything, and I am watching them do anything because I'm not watching them
1:03:58
have much of a story because you have no choice. Yeah, and I
1:04:00
want to see them and this is all you got to see them because you
1:04:05
was an Uber example. They sent you a raggedy ass Honda Civic. It's
1:04:10
like, well, god damn it, I still need to make this party
1:04:12
and get in it. And that Uber example is even better. It's like,
1:04:15
I'm still going to the party and I'm in the party. I'm into
1:04:18
Uber with Tom and I'm into Uber with MN and this is a great ride,
1:04:21
but I never got to the party. I'm still waiting on that party.
1:04:27
You know what I mean. It's like maybe this movie, I'll get
1:04:30
to the party because this is a great ride. But nothing happened. You
1:04:33
know, I didn't get to meet the girl at the party. You know,
1:04:36
I didn't get to see that dope DJ I'd been waiting to see.
1:04:40
You know, I didn't have that adventure at four in the morning that I'll
1:04:45
remember forever. I just had a ride to the party with some great people
1:04:47
and it was like, you know, we had some jokes and we had
1:04:50
fun. Shout out to everybody. I have fun. Yeah, But it
1:04:55
wasn't like it wasn't the adventure that I was waiting to go on. It's
1:04:59
like we all you know, it's like it's like you met. It's like
1:05:01
if you want to play Dungeons and the Dragons. You know, we're all
1:05:04
at the end chilling, and you know we're about to go on the adventure,
1:05:09
but we're just all at the end chilling, having fun, talking ship
1:05:12
about all the adventures we've had before. Oh remember that, Oh remember that?
1:05:16
Oh yeah, that was funny. Ha ha ha. Oh remember these
1:05:18
remember the flirkins? Ahaa, let's bring her ha ha ha. You know
1:05:23
that's that's what's this movie, and it's because of the career that's and once
1:05:28
again we here's Parisma and here's everything because breed to me doesn't or they're not
1:05:32
giving her the ship for that. It's like, but because they have a
1:05:36
mind on this film, it's like, oh ha ha, Okay, yeah,
1:05:39
I can watch all this and be enjoyed. But at the end of
1:05:41
it, I'm like, damn, we didn't even get Tom go on the
1:05:43
fucking adventure. There were like we just sat around the end talking ship.
1:05:46
Well, I was okay with the ship. I was okay with sitting around
1:05:49
the in talking shit. Okay, I really really for the most one,
1:05:53
I was. But I really liked the the spirit I would I want.
1:05:57
I really liked the film and and it so fucked up. How dog?
1:06:02
How much dog in this films? Can how much people? How dare you
1:06:05
the way you try to fucking sit there and blame Nia, Like we have
1:06:10
a clip that just came out last yesterday on Twitter that you guys are going
1:06:13
to see on the rest of our socials where it's like literally everything I was
1:06:15
questioning on our last show, Nia pretty much debunked and and and even things
1:06:20
that Ben was saying. Ben Ben was saying, oh, well, actually
1:06:23
not like like white men do it all the time, corroborate it, like
1:06:28
I just y'all, are y'all crazy? This film is good. I think
1:06:31
this film is This film is good good. You're gonna enjoy yourself. You're
1:06:35
gonna enjoy yourself, like I do say. I think it is a little
1:06:39
bit more lighthearted. Isn't the word I'm word? I was. It's a
1:06:44
little just more light in general. It's not it's those stakes. And unfortunately,
1:06:51
I will say that that you had communicated, you know, many many
1:06:55
times over the years, how the low steaks then is only in means of
1:07:00
and itself, like the film itself is only means an end to the end
1:07:01
credits, right, yeah, because it's the end credits. The post credits
1:07:04
have larger, way larger implications than what happened in the film, and in
1:07:09
those states wouldn't matter to me if there was a character driven film. I
1:07:13
do not feel like this is a character driven film. I feel like this
1:07:16
is an actor driven film because the actors are saving it with their charisma and
1:07:20
stuff. But I do not feel like the characters drive this plot at all.
1:07:24
And I don't feel like the characters at the end of it are any
1:07:27
different than I started them from, other than that they've met some new people.
1:07:30
Yeah. Yeah, so maybe we will have another review. But like
1:07:35
true spoilers where we're talking about specific things, probably do a you know,
1:07:40
a group joint all. Yeah, but you know again, just there there
1:07:45
were problems. There were some issues, but to me, issues that were
1:07:48
indicative of what Marvel has been doing anyway for the last few years. Yeah.
1:07:54
And this is not thor love and fucking Thunder, absolutely not, absolutely
1:07:58
not. Like I don't walk out of movies, and I regret we wanted
1:08:02
to walk out of I regret not walking out of aute. I should have
1:08:05
shown solidarity with intelligence and walked out of that film. It. Kudos to
1:08:14
the cast of the Marvels. As mentioned, it drops November tenth, which
1:08:17
is depending on when you hear this. It may have been done already,
1:08:20
but which is this Friday? Good movie, go see that shit, loved
1:08:27
it. Action was on point for me. Uh, most of the capital
1:08:31
is on point for me. It really doesn't matter because you're gonna get some
1:08:35
that that that post credit scene is going to fuck you up. Like whether
1:08:40
in a good or good or bad some people. I wrote, like in
1:08:43
my tweet, I wrote, it's gonna leave fans yelling. And I mean
1:08:45
that in the sense of some people are gonna be like why, and other
1:08:48
people are gonna be like yeah. And I was one of the yeah people
1:08:51
because I already saw it coming to so Kelsey Bro. The man throws of
1:09:00
eg and behfle and oder than throws man throws