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- Lyndsay Soprano (00:01.312) If you have been listening to this show long enough, you know that I don't have a lot of good things to say about our healthcare system. Certainly here in the States and Western medicine as a whole. It has its place, right? But for me, it doesn't have a huge place in my life anymore because I've been let down so many times because of it. And I'm always leaning more towards natural remedies, holistic. a holistic approach to care for my body, both from a trauma informed care, holistic informed care, eating naturally, doing all of the good things for our body instead of popping my body filled with big pharma products and popping antibiotics when I might be able to do something that's a little bit more natural. And that is something that has turned into, I didn't even know it was going to be that big of a deal to me, but it's turned into something that is 100 % part of who I am now, where it wasn't so much before. So today I would like to get down and dirty a little bit and talk about blending science and herbal medicine. And I know some of you might not understand what science is, but we're gonna blend science and herbal medicine together today. Our guest today has worked with soldiers with phantom pain. She's worked with women at risk for breast cancer. We're gonna talk a little bit about perhaps talking about neuropathy and fibromyalgia. through transdermal applications, maybe touch on little bit of lymphatic drainage, which I need big time. Chronic pain, viral infections, my gosh, we have so much to cover here today. So without further ado, I'd like to introduce you to my wicked smart guest today, Bonnie D'Angelo. Hello, darling. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (01:39.115) Thank you so much. You might want to warn them to get a notepad out if we're to talk about all that. Lyndsay Soprano (01:44.622) I know exactly, or just keep listening to the episode over and over again. You just have so many incredible things that you're doing and that you've done, and so we'll get right into it. So let me introduce you here. So Bonnie is a clinical herbalist, aromatherapist, and holistic health consultant with a master's in herbal medicine, as well as her upcoming doctorate in integrated health. She's the founder of the Phytotherapy Center and co-founder of ETH Herbal, where she formulates science back. herbal products designed to help people live pain free. Beyond her clinical work, Bonnie also leads Michigan Protects, a nonprofit dedicated to preserving the state's native medicinal plants that are at risk for extinction. Get ready because she has been called an encyclopedia by her friends and certainly from our meet and greet, I felt the same way. It's almost a little bit intimidating. So all right, well, I'm rolling out the red carpet for you, babe. I'd actually like to start because it's kind of an interesting transition from what you were doing before before you got into this. But I'd like to start with what led you into the field of herbal medicine. And then let's take it from there. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (02:47.23) Yeah, so I was living what some people might have thought was my best life in Chicago as a fashion designer and was making headlines and rubbing elbows with famous people. And I just one day up and left and I moved out to the middle of nowhere and an Amish built log cabin that didn't even have running water. And I lived there for a year and a half and I loved it. Lyndsay Soprano (03:07.918) my god. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (03:13.13) and I learned to grow my own food from a local permaculture institute, met some old wise women who taught me about herbal medicine, and it changed my life. And I felt like... even though everybody in my life, particularly my father, and he'll never let me live it down for the rest of my life. You could have been famous. You could have been rich and I could have been living my best retirement. He'll never let me live it down. And I said, but yeah, but I'm so much happier. I wasn't happy. I didn't like it. I, you know, was filled with anxiety and all of these things that a lot of people experience when they're in a corporate lifestyle and they're stuck in a box. And yeah, I was doing things that were creative, but I really wanted to do things that were outside of the box. try and fit you into a box. And so I think it just was part of me. And I think as a kid, I was a tree hugger. And when I graduated high school, everybody was like, well, what are you going to do? And I was like, oh, I don't know. I can't just keep walking through the forest every day. No, you gotta find a job. And the one thing that I really love to do is I really loved to sew and I love to make my own clothes. So was like, okay, well, this is something, you know, I'll make a career out of it. And so I went on that trajectory thinking I'm going to build a career. And that just wasn't resonating with me. And so we all have to have a way to live, of course. But I think living off of the land and living off of nothing really taught me a lot of things about life and a lot of experiences that carry me through and will carry me through for the rest of my life. Lyndsay Soprano (04:42.574) That's amazing. Now when did you end up finding your husband? Because did you find him in the Amish country? Where did you find him? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (04:50.154) So my first partner, I met in Chicago and we moved out to the country together and we had two children together. They're now teenagers and we since have separated, left the country, or left the country, not the US, but we left the countryside. And 10 years later, I remarried a younger man and we have two children together now. Lyndsay Soprano (05:05.642) Left the countryside. Lyndsay Soprano (05:15.086) That's a younger man, good for you. I went older. I don't know which is better to tell you the honest truth. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (05:16.778) Thank you. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (05:22.076) I've had it both ways. I've dated somebody who was 18 years older than me for half a decade and now I got somebody who's 10 years younger than me. I don't know that one is than the other. think it's just who you resonate with. Lyndsay Soprano (05:32.494) For sure, for sure. Now, so for, and this is nothing to do with your husband's conversation at all, but I was just curious about how did you, when you were talking, when you're getting in and you're foraging in the land and you're living off the land, you were there for a year and a half, said? So where did you go after that to start what you're doing now? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (05:46.793) Yeah. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (05:51.839) Well, we actually left the country because my daughter was having some medical issues. And we talked a little bit about this before on camera if I was comfortable about talking about her autism. And we talked about how, you know, I didn't pop Tylenol when I was pregnant with her. She's not vaccinated. She lived a very bucolic childhood, but she had what's called craniocynotosis with trigonocephaly. want a mouthful, there it is. So craniosynoptosis with trigranosophilae basically means that the metopic suture, so the one down the middle of your forehead, closed up prematurely and the head was starting to take on a triangular shape. Lyndsay Soprano (06:20.184) There it is. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (06:32.964) And we were traveling two and a half hours to the Mayo Clinic in another state to get her care by a pediatric neurosurgeon. And my partner at the time, his mother lived in Miami and she was rather well off. And she said, well, why don't you guys come down here with me and I'll help take her to the best doctor that we have down here and we'll get her the best kind of care. And so that was kind of our departure from the countryside. And then after all of that wrapped up, I wasn't really a Miami kind of girl. I Amish log cabin to living in Miami doesn't really fit. So we left, but we didn't go back to the log cabin. But yeah, so that's kind of how I exited that place. Lyndsay Soprano (07:07.438) Not at all. Lyndsay Soprano (07:17.39) So now here you are and you're just incredibly brilliant women and I want to get started into talking about how this blending science and herbal medicine together has really shaped who you are and what you do and talk a little bit about your plasma based products. If we can get into a little bit about your business and all of that, that would be wonderful. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (07:40.221) Yeah, so the plasma technology is something that my now my current husband had been working on for half a decade prior to meeting him. And he had been working with a professor in Switzerland. He's a professor of plasma physicists. And they had been working on this substance that we call silicon plasma hydrate. And it had the ability to cross the skin blood brain barrier, silica. And when it's in the body and it comes in contact with aluminum, it forms aluminosilicate, which is a safe and non-toxic metal that can be easily excreted from the body. So it showed the ability to safely remove aluminum. So they're still conducting research on Alzheimer's and autism and ways to help, you know. remove safely heavy metals from the body, but it also had a lot of other benefits because silicon is the precursor to the building of collagen in the body. So everybody's out there taking collagen supplements. Your body, I'll tell you guys all the truth. You're wasting your money. I'm sorry to tell you. There's no science backing that. Your body actually can't use that collagen. If you want to actually build more collagen in your body, you have to supply the body with the nutrients that it needs in order to build its own collagen. Taking cow or beef. Collagen is not ever actually going to convert into collagen in your own body. So the precursor to making collagen in the body is silicon. It's absolutely essential. Without a substantial amount of silicon in the body, the body cannot build collagen, elastin, or cartilage. So we had a lot of research showing that this is just an extremely important mineral that was lacking in people's diets because 90 % of the sources of silicon come from water. Lyndsay Soprano (09:20.247) Mmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (09:20.426) and we are using chlorinated filtered processed tap water that is completely devoid of silicon. And so here's a little interesting fact about that. A lot of people have heard of blue zones across the world where people are living longer, healthier lives. One of the number one correlations between these blue zones is they have natural water sources that are high in silicon. They're getting a daily delivery of this nutrient. And so if you think about the heart, what is a heart? It's elastin. Lyndsay Soprano (09:32.974) Yes. Yes. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (09:49.575) is keeping their heart healthy, working and functioning longer. And because it's rebuilding the collagen and cartilage in their body, their bodies are able to function and move. And so this is one of the big underlying factors to living a healthier life is having substantial amounts of silicon for the body to use to repair its own. And on the topic of like taking collagen supplements, I'll tell you, I'm a herbalist. If you look in the camera behind me, you're gonna see supplements, right? Because I recommend supplements to my clients. They're essential on some places, but I'm a big proponent of food as medicine because when we can get those natural sources, the body can use them more readily than if we're taking them as a supplement. But the problem that we all know is that our food and our soil is depleted of those nutrients. And so it's ever more important that we are finding healthy ways to replenish what is lacking in our food supply. Lyndsay Soprano (10:46.946) Yeah, and that is a huge problem. I mean, we're just, I just think about my husband and I have different freezers. I don't go into his cause I don't even want to know what's going on in there, honestly. Cause he's the first person that like goes to Trader Joe's and grabs it, you know, just it's, it's already in a box. Those are the microwave and goes, I'm more of the, I'm more of, I like to snack a little bit throughout the day. It's whole food. You know, I'm eating my celery and my almond butter and blah, blah, But even still, I feel like, Bonnie D'Arcangelo (10:59.018) you Lyndsay Soprano (11:16.148) our food, just even when we're buying organic and we're trying to do our very best, it's still lacking what we truly need because we're processing this food so fast for so many people. We don't have time. We don't have time to cook. We don't have time to do this. And everyone's running through McDonald's. Like, what do we, you talk about supplementation. I 100 % agree with it because I do the same myself. And I'm just starting to get better at it because I don't like swallowing a lot of pills. I like tinctures and rubs better than I like that. That's where the transdermal thing that I'd like for us to talk about. But outside of like living out in a log cabin and growing our own food, what can we do to, the silicon thing is amazing. And I have a big tub of collagen in my, in my pantry right now that I've been looking at and haven't taken it for about six months. Cause I'm like, I feel kind of the same way. And so can you talk a little bit about how we can keep moving on in our lives so we can supplement healthier and talk about the science behind all of that? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (12:15.302) Yeah, so I'll touch on a couple of things there. I'll do the easy one first. Like I'm a big user of tinctures with my clients. There's a lot of herbal medicine. One, lot of herbal medicines are nutrients. like maca provides a lot of minerals and nutrients. And some of those are transferred into the extracts depending on how they're extracted because not all extracts are the same. So you really got to make sure that you are getting them from a company that you know is doing a really good job. But the beautiful thing about tinctures is they're more readily absorbed in the body than if you take a supplement. There's a big difference. If I have, let's say I'm taking the Obelia, I have a cough or something, and I'm going to take it as a tincture versus as a pill, I don't even think it comes with a pill. Just the first example came in. I'm not going to get as much out of that pill that I'm swallowing because it's going into my digestive tract, it's depending upon the metabolic processes of the body, and my absorption rate is going to be so significantly low. But when you take a tincture, what happens is, and I tell all of my clients to swish it around in your mouth with a little bit of water for good 30 seconds before swallowing it because it gets absorbed into the mucosal layer. And that tincture doesn't really ever sit in the stomach and get metabolized like anything else because it's absorbed into the mucosa layer all the way down. So it's a much better form for taking your supplements, if you want to call it a supplement. So that's number one. If you're needing to get those nutrients and you're needing to get those things in your life, get them by food and get them by tinctures. And then, you know, the last one is going to be getting it through your supplements and then making sure that you have really good quality supplements. But the biggest thing, and I'm going to tell a story here, is your water is so important. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (14:08.074) So for years, I had been drinking RO water and remineralizing my water. I even had a stir plate so that the water was in constant rotation to re-enliven my water and bring that energy back in. But I was having, I was constantly having dry skin. My adrenals were feeling depleted. I was having thyroid problems and I am a very healthy person, especially if most people hear my diet, they're like, know, and I take a lot of supplements. So why am I declining like this continuously, slowly over a period of time? And so a friend of ours introduced us to a local person who had an artesian well. It was about 45 minutes away from our house and he had had it surveyed by the University of Michigan and it was 1,552 years old artesian well, absolutely perfectly preserved water underground. Within two weeks, of drinking this water daily, I noticed a drastic difference. My skin seemed softer and more resilient. I no longer had to apply lotions all the time. And my adrenal, I stopped feeling fatigued. I was like, you hit four o'clock in the evening and my face could smack down on my desk and I fall asleep right where I was. Lyndsay Soprano (15:27.566) Right. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (15:27.88) I mean, like literally put toothpicks in my eyeballs to keep them open. It was painful and I was taking a lot of supplements to try and support my adrenals and my HPA access and none of it was really working. And I don't have to take my thyroid medicine anymore. I don't have to take my adrenal supplements anymore. It made a vast difference in my body and it's shown me the importance of living water. Like yeah, you can get bottled water from the store that's coming from a source that's, you know, a good artesian wealth, but it's not the same as water that has just come out of the ground. We just went to get water this past Saturday and we had been out of water for two days and we just couldn't get there to get any more. And so I was buying water from the store, bottled water. And when I got there, I was like, I had my empty water bottle. I was like, can you please fill me up with some water? I need some water so bad. And I remember just like chugging it down and feeling just the sensation through my whole body of like, this was what I needed. And there's so much that comes from our water. There's so many micro minerals and nutrients. and electrolytes that are naturally present in nature that sustain the human being. I mean, think about it. We're 60 % water. Now here's an interesting thing. We'll segue into the silicon plasma hydrate and why the plasma is super, super important part of this, okay? Because yes, we're about 60 to 65 % water, but that water in our body is not in a liquid state. It's in a plasma gel state, also known as the fourth phase of water. you want to read a really boring book, read The Fourth Phase of Water by Jared Lodzier-Polick and you will learn about the fourth phase of water in a very boring way. So all you need to know is that water comes in more states than solid, liquid, and gaseous, and plasma is really important because that is the same state of water in our body. So our silicon plasma hydrate is the silicon put into a water-soluble state that is Lyndsay Soprano (17:18.402) Way to sell it. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (17:37.859) ionized and charged to match the plasma fluids of our human body. And that's what makes our topicals so potent and powerful is that they're all in this base of this silicon plasma that is helping with that energetic resonance healing of the body. And then on top of that, we include our herbal medicine. and we have special targets to certain subcellular localizations of the body so that we can target parts of the body cells to make sure that the medicine is getting where we need it to go. And so this whole idea of water is the true healer of the body is very, very true. And so there are websites that you can look for natural water sources in your area, and you may have to drive an hour or two, but we have like, we have... 25 gallon jugs. And so when we go to get water, it's like this whole big ordeal. We're going out there and we're filling all these jugs and then we store them in our dark cold basement until we need to use them. And it lasts us a couple of months. So if you're a couple hours away from a well, you can do that too where you have just a number of jugs and you gather a large amount of water at a time. And I will tell you, I do notice as like the water gets older and older in the basement, that the sensation from it does start to change because it hasn't been in that cool living earth for as long. You know, so it's kind of become acclimated to being above ground. But there's something super magical about water. Lyndsay Soprano (19:09.898) No kidding. I'm just sitting here, I'm like, I'm gonna Google as soon as we're done with this, because I want to find out by us. And we live in big, we live in like cities, like specific, just we're Los Angeles. Like, I don't know where the hell I'm gonna go to go get well water. You know, like, I don't know how far away I have to go in order to find this. Can you actually, can you get it online anywhere? I mean, I don't want to get you down to the well with this, but. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (19:24.106) I Bonnie D'Arcangelo (19:32.939) There's rings everywhere. So even if you're in Los Angeles, I just sent it to a client of mine because she was complaining about not being able to get good water. And a lot of women as they age, they experience osteoporosis. So one of the really important things for you as you're aging and you're experiencing osteoporosis is not taking calcium supplements. It is having a good source of water. If you listen to me long enough, I will debunk almost every single piece of medical advice your doctor will ever give you. Lyndsay Soprano (19:46.382) Mm-hmm Lyndsay Soprano (19:52.846) You Lyndsay Soprano (19:56.27) Interesting. Lyndsay Soprano (20:02.734) Well, that's kind of how I opened up in the beginning that I just literally have absolutely no faith in Western medicine anymore because it's just a crap shoot. And really what it is is I've got all, have so many pills and so many different, all of these different things that I've gone from this one to that one. And I'm just so, I'm so fuckstrated with the whole situation that I finally want to get somebody that actually really and truly understands herbal medicine. and what everything that you've just been already been talking about and the energy behind all of that, the electromagnetic energy that goes into, it's just, it's incredibly mind boggling the amount of information that you're storing in that brain of yours, by the way. I know we, like you said, we're just touching on it today. But okay, so now we've got, we've talked a little bit about water here. So let's talk a little bit more about why your products, I know we talked about not doing like a big product pitch today because that's not what we're doing here. But I want you to dig into us a little bit about how your patent pending formulas that are combining your plasma technology with herbal medicine, how that all works. And that was really interesting about the whole water part of your products, because I have a couple of your products, which I'll talk to you about offline because I have a billion questions for you. But can you get into that for us, please? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (21:17.736) Yeah, so our patent pending formula is a base formula that we use in every single one of our topicals. So it has our silicon plasma hydrate plus for what we'll call for sygabes nutraceuticals. So those are going to be fulvic acid, which is a beautiful antioxidant detoxifier of the body. It has monoatomic gold, also known as organically rearranged monoatomic elements. I love my mouthfuls. And this is really important because this elemental gold is a resonance medicine. And it's shown to help improve energetic imbalances within the body. And when we're talking about pain and signals of pain, like yeah, there's pain and inflammation and injury, but there's also missed signals that are happening from the body. For instance, you mentioned my work with people who have had amputations. So those phantom pains are a missed signal of the body. It's an energetic imbalance. And so we're so part of why the topicals work for phantom pains is because they're not just a pill. Lyndsay Soprano (22:05.71) Mm-hmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (22:16.346) That's why there's no pharmaceutical that stops phantom pains. There's because it's not Neurological it's it's an energetic signature So people have to understand that everything we've ever been taught about the human body in our biology classes at school is completely wrong We're gonna go back to water here again. Okay, so what is a nerve a? Nerve is actually a structured water tube Surrounded by a flat layer of fat the myelin sheath is fat, right? So lipids so we're all tired like Lyndsay Soprano (22:43.47) and sheath. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (22:46.266) low fat diet, low fat diets. No, no, no, no, no, Your nerves and your cells require lipids in order to function. You have to have healthy fats in your diet, otherwise your body will deteriorate. That's why we have such a high prevalence of neuropathy because everybody's like, gotta lower my cholesterol, gotta lower my cholesterol. Well, let's like ask why your cholesterol is off and what you can do to correct that instead of like removing those fats that your body actually needs. So anyway, so it's a structured water tube. Lyndsay Soprano (23:03.662) Mmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (23:14.546) And what's basically is happening inside of that nerve is the water is forming a vortex. And when the water becomes unbalanced, just like the artesian well water that sits in my basement for too long, it's no longer moving, it's lost its energetic connection with the earth. Okay, those nerves start to come off their normal pattern. And so the combination of the silicon plasma and the monoatomic gold helps to correct those nerve signals of the body and bring them back into their structured vortexing state that they need to be in in order to function properly. So it's helping with every signal. And then there's two other ingredients in every one of our base topicals. It's hyaluronic acid and hyaluronic acid, we vary what's called the Dalton size, which is essentially the size of the molecule. And this is how we control how deep the medicine can go into the body. The larger the Dalton size, the more it's going to stay on the surface of the skin, the smaller the Dalton size, the more it's going to pass beyond that skin blood brain barrier. And so that variation allows us to heal and target different layers of the cell. So if I want to target the vascular system or for somebody who has venous insufficiency disorder, I want to keep my Dalton size a little bit larger. So staying on the surface near those venous structures versus somebody who has neuropathy, I'm wanting it to penetrate at a different level. So that's part of the little science behind that is how we really kind of figure out how we are targeting the body. And then we're not just giving a pill that is masking a set of symptoms. Because if we think about all of the drugs that we're getting from our doctors, I don't really know of one of them that actually heals you. Maybe we can argue for antibiotics, right? If you have an acute infection that has to be dealt with, antibiotics. Lyndsay Soprano (24:58.808) Hmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (25:07.342) healing you even though they're causing damage. Well, they do and you have to do some restoration of the body afterwards because they're kind of blanket that kill everything. Versus herbs can be very useful in a lot of senses because they actually target specific areas of the body. So for instance, if somebody has like UTIs, they're often prescribed antibiotics for urinary tract infection. It's systemic. Those antibiotics go throughout the whole body killing indiscriminately, good and bad bacteria. Okay, but an herb such as uva-irsi has an affinity for the bladder and goes there in that system. It's like an energetic calling. It's like your endocrine system, right? When it releases a hormone, it goes to a targeted location because that's the only place that has a receptor for that. So the receptors for particular herbs are in particular places of the body. So uva-irsi can kill the bacteria on the lining of the bladder wall, but doesn't have a systemic effect on the whole body. and it also doesn't kill the good bacteria. So part of my work and part of my passion is like helping to get some of these herbal medicines to be our daily protocols versus going to the doctors and popping a pill that has more side effects and we have symptoms, we can take something that is targeted and focused. And this is where like the little nuances of herbal medicine come in. And this is why it's harder for doctors and people in that field to really understand herbal medicine because a doctor says, okay, you have high cholesterol, here's a statin drug. Easy to prescribe, right? It's a one size fits all. Like, yeah, there's different types of statin drugs, and there's some little nuances to why you choose one over the other. But it's a little bit more of a blanket one size fits all. However, if you come to me and you have high cholesterol, you'll get some of the same herbs as somebody else who came in my office with high cholesterol, but you won't get the same herbal formula. Lyndsay Soprano (26:40.556) Mm-hmm. Yep. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (27:02.504) because it'll be tailor fit to your needs because your underlying root cause of dysfunction in the body is different. It's like two people can come into my office with the same diagnosis, but they're not going to get the same treatment because how they got there was different. Somebody could have had a kidney weakness and that kidney weakness became systemic and led to this or this or that. And then they have this diagnosis. the other person could have had a liver issue, where they were having poor metabolism, but it manifested as the same quote unquote disease. And so with herbal medicine, we don't just prescribe something blanket. Like you talked about lymphatic issues. So there's dozens of lymphatic herbs. Some are more stronger than others. Some are really subtle that you can take on a daily basis and take long term. Some are really powerful. Some of these really got some serious lymphedema or lympheditis. how I'm gonna address that is gonna be different than somebody who needs like general lymphatic care. So there's not like one size fits all either. I mean, I can sit here and I can name like some of my favorite lymphatic herbs are like figwort. I love figwort leaf. It's really wonderful at thinning out lymph and helping it to kind of move through the system. But it's definitely a powerful herb that's used a little bit more short term. If somebody has chronic lymphatic issues and they need something that they can take on a daily basis long term and it's going to be safe and effective, I would maybe have them take violet, viola, trefola. So those beautiful little purple flowers that everybody just thinks lines the grass are actually highly medicinal, beautiful lymphoglogs that can be taken as a spring tonic by anybody to clear out... any of the junk in their lymph system from the winter. Everybody start taking that in January after you've had all that turkey and pie. And then there's other ones like echinacea is usually thought about more as an immune herb, but it's actually a really beautiful gentle lymphogog that can be taken on a regular basis as well. And echinacea actually works better if it's taken long term versus short term. And so there's lots of things that can be implemented into a person's lifestyle. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (29:19.678) But understanding their needs is going to be different. If a woman came into me and she had had breast cancer and she had had some of her lymph nodes removed and she was experiencing like severe lymphedema in her arm, I'm going to address that with probably some stronger herbs for a week or two and then kind of back off. And then we're look at all their natural things that can help to keep her from having that lymphedema in the future, like maybe the echinacea or the violet. Lyndsay Soprano (29:44.492) Well, I told you guys in the very beginning that she was an encyclopedia, didn't I? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (29:49.084) You Lyndsay Soprano (29:51.086) And also, I think I believe I said you are wicked smart. It's unbelievable. Like, I literally want to go into my kitchen as soon as we're done with this episode and take everything that's on my shelves that are supplements and throw them all in the trash and give you a call because I 100 % have been doing this completely wrong. And the problem with that is I've gone, you get so desperate when you live in a great deal of pain, where it's 24 hours a day. I live in pain just from the second, 24 hours. There's not a moment that I'm not in pain. I'm in excruciating pain from my hips down right now. That's how I am every single day of my life. And you would never guess it because of my personality, because it's just so wonderful all the time. But it's like, I'm so angry with the amount of money that we've spent on things that you, everything that you've just said is like, I'm mind boggled. And I was mind boggled on our meet and greet and I knew I was gonna be again today. Because I just feel like we've been given such misinformation and when you're desperate, you're like, okay, fine, I'll try anything. I'll try anything, I'll try anything. And I think somewhere along our meet and greeter and our notes together, you said people come to you that have tried everything before finding your products and you, and then they end up finding relief. And that's, I mean, that is incredible because that's the point that we all get to where we've like, we've tried it all, now what the hell do I do? This is it, this is how I live for the rest of my life. Living in pain, not being able to eat. because my digestion is so messed up, not being able to sleep because my feet are cramped up for four and a half to six hours every single night straight. have Charlie horses. It's like, it just goes on and on and on. And for those of you that have skied or been a skier, you know what it feels like when you take, when your feet are so cold in your ski boots and you take them off and it takes forever them to quote unquote defrosted. That is how my feet feel every single day, 24 hours a day. I'm constantly in a snowstorm and they feel hot and cold at the same time. So all these things, a lot of topicals actually burn my feet. In fact, I have a story, I have to do it offline with you, but I tried a new topical for potential advertiser for the show. And I'm like, my God, my feet are on fire. And I'm like, and they already are on fire. And there's all these new things that I've been trying and I need to throw everything away and start from scratch. It's sad, it's very, very sad. Lyndsay Soprano (32:10.754) And a lot of us are in this place that are listening to this show where they have tried everything. This is a whole new way of thinking for a lot of us. We've had a couple of people on the show that have talked about herbals as well, you're the most, best so far for sure. I mean, it's like unbelievable. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (32:26.09) I think the hard thing with supplements and herbal medicine is people hear things and they're like, I'm going to give that a try. And then they hear something else and they're to give them a try. And there's so many little nuances like the cramps in the legs are generally, generally, so general, you can't say exactly, but generally from a lack of magnesium. So there's so many different types of magnesium out there, but who knows? Lyndsay Soprano (32:35.191) Right. Lyndsay Soprano (32:47.352) Mm-hmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (32:51.178) Who's telling you in an article that you should take magnesium bligliscinate in the morning and magnesium theanate at night? Nobody is telling you those little nuances. Like this is where the science comes into those things. Like understanding and that's where like the average person is just not. Lyndsay Soprano (32:58.486) Nobody. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (33:11.472) is not going to be able to understand or comprehend even why those two things are different because they don't understand the metabolic processes, how they're absorbed, how the body uses them, the difference in the chemicals between waking and sleeping, and the different hours of the day. And so unless you have a doctorate of science degree, it's really hard to unwind all of those little things. And so that's why we... Lyndsay Soprano (33:32.878) Well, and also we don't want to, right? Like I don't want to become a doctorate in these things. do wanna understand to a certain degree, but I don't, I like, my gosh, I don't have this mountain of available time to learn every single nuance that you know and that's why you're here. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (33:49.587) Yeah, and that's what we need. I'm always a big push for, like, we need proper training of our doctors so that they understand these things and so that our system is not driven by profits because, you know, those, their doctors are not being trained in these kinds of things because there's no profit behind publishing that book. And if you look at who owns most of the textbooks and you follow those trails, who's training the doctors, who's writing the textbook, who owns all of that stuff, you're going to start to see some very clear signs as to why they're not being trained because I'll tell you, I see my MD once a year because I find it very useful to have my blood work done. It's a really good indicator and... And the last time I went and I asked for all these like weird tests and stuff, my doctor looks at me he says, do you know what to do with this? Because I don't. I said, yeah, I know what to do with that when I get those results. They said, okay, good, because you're not expecting me to give you some kind of answer. like, no, I'm not expecting anything out of you. I know that you're not trained to look at it from a functional standpoint. And so if I went into my MD and I was like, did you know that you should take magnesium by glysconate in the morning and magnesium theanate at night? If somebody's having a magnesium deficiency, he would be like, Lyndsay Soprano (34:40.097) love it! Bonnie D'Arcangelo (35:01.16) are you talking about lady? Because they're not training that. And so part of it is a training thing. How do we reach people and help them to understand that buying supplements off the shelf is not going to make them healthy? They really need something that is crafted specifically for them. And that's the same thing goes for our topicals. Our topicals have worked miracles for some people, but they're not a one size fit all. Somebody asked me, well, why do you have seven different pain topicals on your website? Lyndsay Soprano (35:01.262) Yeah Bonnie D'Arcangelo (35:30.282) I said, well, I should probably have 30 because there's so many different type of people that one pain topical is not going to work for everybody else. So yeah, I make several different pain topicals because I come into contact with somebody and they're like, it worked a little bit for me, but I'm still in pain. And so I talked to that person, I interviewed them, I hear what's going on behind the scenes and then work to craft a formula that's specifically for them. Lyndsay Soprano (35:32.878) Yeah Bonnie D'Arcangelo (35:58.547) And so herbal medicine is not like a pharmaceutical drug where they're one size fits all and you can give them in a blanket situation. You really have to be specific to the person. You have to unwind how they got to where they are and why did their body deteriorate to the point like yours where you're in chronic pain all the time. Lyndsay Soprano (36:21.326) I mean, I have a hunch as to a couple things, some of it trauma based, some of it alcohol related from when I used to drink a ton. So I feel like, and I always am the first person to be like, I take ownership of all of my bad decision making skills, but here I am, like, I'm doing the absolute very best that I can. I don't have the best appetite on the planet. So that's part of it. Cause when I'm in so much pain, my appetite is like, I don't want to put anything in my stomach right now. Like I'm nauseous all the time. Like nobody likes being nauseous. almost rather live in pain than be nauseous. And so I make decisions to live a little bit more in pain than living in nausea. I mean, it's just like, what do I do first in all of these things? It's like, I need like 20 things to be the first in line, you know? And so it's always like chicken before the, chicken before the horse, that's not what it's called. Chicken before the horse, we're calling it that from go forward. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (37:07.498) Chicken before the egg. Lyndsay Soprano (37:13.71) But you know what I mean? It's just, it's so frustrating because all of us that are listening right now, including myself, for starters, my jaws just dropped to the ground, of course, but I'm, it's still like, now what do we do? So what do we do when you're talking to a me, you're talking to people in the audience that have had their, I just wrote down one of my girlfriends who had double mastectomy and I'm wondering right now about what happened, what's going on with her lymphatic system, because she's in total pain and now it's in her legs. crazy stuff that we're all going through and so many women, men, we're not discounting you, but we talk a lot more about women that are going through all of these just complete head to toe kind of pain. The fibromyalgia is the like, throw it into the fibromyalgia category because we can't figure out what else it is. Mine, which is CRPS, which is so incredibly rare, it's like impossible and it responds so differently as well. So what do we do? How do we start on something like this? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (38:10.194) Yeah, so the first place to always start and so I'll tell you I've never had a client walk in my door and only had one thing wrong with them. My clients walk into my door and they have a laundry list of things that are wrong with them and I can't give them 50 things at once. We have to prioritize and it's actually one of the comments that I get quite frequently from clients is they like that I didn't overload them with a bunch of things and so I always start with the gut. Lyndsay Soprano (38:16.618) Of course not, no, yeah. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (38:37.948) If there's a problem with the digestive system, nothing else in the body is ever going to correct itself until you correct the gut. So that's number one. You have to look at gut health. You have to look at do you have some kind of bacterial overgrowth? So the thing about the bad bacteria in our body is that it actually attaches itself to the mucosal layer. It protects itself with biofilms so it gets to live and survive in your gut. And so first step, if you're having chronic GI issues, is you have to get rid of the bad bacteria first, which means that we have to strip away that mucosal layer and get rid of the bad and start new. And so this is going to detail like a SIBO protocol where you have small intestinal bacteria overgrowth and you're taking supplements that is gonna kill off that bacteria. We're gonna strip away that mucosal layer and I'm just gonna tell you, it doesn't feel great. been there, done that. It does not feel good. I actually remember when I was the first time I had a doctor have me do this and part of my journey to where I am today is I've been sick too. That's part of how I've learned all of this is I've had chronic medical conditions myself that have landed me in the offices of holistic practitioners where I've learned not only how to fix myself but I've also got to be there, have them as my mentors and my teachers and get to learn from them because I became fascinated. So I will tell you when I was working on my SIBO treatment and stripping women because like I remember one day we're gonna get a little graphic here sitting on the toilet and swearing I was going to die. I was like, I don't know how I'm going to survive this. I'm sweating, I'm nauseous, I'm sick and I feel like I'm going to die. And I don't know how I can keep doing this for five days in a row because day one was so awful and day two was brutal. Lyndsay Soprano (40:11.63) Do it! Mm-hmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (40:33.194) And day three, I wanted to cry. And then day four, I was starting to feel better. And then day five, I was like, oh, this isn't so bad. I can keep doing this. So sometimes, mean, and I was like, I felt literally like somebody was poisoning me. That's literally what I felt like. And I was like, that mucosa layer of my digestive tract of my small intestines must be so diseased to make me feel this sick. Lyndsay Soprano (40:42.606) Day one through three is a total shit show. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (41:02.128) as it passes out of my body. And so and you're talking about somebody who came from living in the middle nowhere eating fresh corn food. Lyndsay Soprano (41:08.59) what I was just gonna say, I'm like, guys, we are screwed, we're gonna be on that thing for 10 days straight. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (41:14.794) But you have to start fixing the gut. Okay. And I love this too, because the gut is a brain in and of itself. So I'm going to tell you something really cool that I love to tell people because it's always really geeks me out. So everyone thinks like the brain is the control system of the body, right? There is one organ in the body that can ignore the signals of the brain, the stomach, but the brain can not ignore the chemical signals coming from the stomach. Lyndsay Soprano (41:18.936) Yeah. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (41:44.477) It must listen. It must heed its command. So put that into perspective of how important your digestive system, which is an endocrine, it's a hormone releasing organ of the body and is the most important organ. So if you want to fix anything in your body, you're never going to fix it until you fix the gut. So that's step one is fix the gut. If you've ever had antibiotics in your life, if you've ever had any kind of salmonella poisoning, E. coli poisoning, I guarantee you that your digestive system is just as wrecked as mine was. It probably still is because every year I do a whole entire rebirth, and it's not as brutal as the first time, of going through that digestive system and healing it and cleansing it and making sure that I keep it healthy. And so if you do nothing else for yourself listeners, and you get nothing else from this, like onslaught of information is is look at your gut health and and then think about how you maintain that and I'll tell you the one thing that will get us all kicked off air. The number one toxin to your digestive system is glyphosate. Glyphosate is essentially roundup ready. It's a pesticide. It's used on our crops habitually and it destroys the good bacteria in your gut. It rips holes in your mucosal layer. And it is probably the number one reason why we are all sick. So if you do anything, if you're like, can't afford an entirely organic diet, but I want to look and I'm like throw that dirty dozen list out the window, please people that thing irks me every year. I'm like, no, thank you. I don't buy it. Okay, so you're measuring pesticide residue. Lyndsay Soprano (43:35.703) Haha! Bonnie D'Arcangelo (43:43.185) not all pesticides are created equal. There's a...we're not gonna get too into the science because I could talk to you about all the different types of halogen pesticides and why some of them are worse than others. So we're not gonna go there. So glyphosate is is one of the worst and the problem with this is like for instance with our wheat in order to dry it early for harvest glyphosate pesticides are sprayed on on the crop because it causes it to dry quickly. And so because it's never seen rain, it's never seen anything to wash away some of those pesticides, the wheat in our bread, and this is really why people think they're allergic to gluten, but not allergic to gluten. Go to Europe and eat some bread, you will have a totally different experience in your digestive system. Lyndsay Soprano (44:26.188) No kidding, no kidding, amen. Thank you for saying that. Because every time we're in Europe, I can eat, I have no problem with my stomach. Everything is good to go. can eat pizza, can eat pasta, I can eat whatever I want to. I never have any problems. Because the goat cheese I just ate also is by the goat that's literally walking behind the restaurant that I'm at right now. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (44:47.082) It's completely different. so things that are high in glyphosate are lentils. If you're vegetarian out there, watch your lentils. That's another crop that it's sprayed on just before harvest to dry it early. So you've got your lentils, you've got your wheat, you've got your corn, you've got your soy. Lyndsay Soprano (44:49.422) Yeah. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (45:07.198) those are the products that you like, it's not about like, yeah, the fruits and vegetables are important because there are some fruits and vegetables that are going to have a higher water content and they're going to hold more pesticides than other ones. So that dirty dozen list does have some validity, but it's not talking about the dirty dozen that's on the rest of the shelves because let's face it, the vegetable and fruit section of the grocery store is a much smaller portion of that store than all of that processed food. that we are eating as Americans on a daily basis. Most of us are not even having fruits and vegetables. I make my clients when they come to me do a three day diary of their diet. And I'm like, have you eaten any vegetables in the last month? Have you had a piece of broccoli? You know, and so the truth of it is, is that we're eating that. And so there's no dirty dozen list for those grocery shelves out there. And if... we had a dirty dozen list for that, your bread and your cereals and your pastas and your lentils would be at the top of that dirty dozen list. And we just, you know, took everything in the rest of that grocery store off of the list right there. Then, but you also have all of those hormones and residues in our dairy as well, because the animals are eating that. And so I, we kind of mentioned I'm in the middle of getting my doctoral degree. And so I recently wrote a research paper specifically on GMO foods and went through an entire battery of clinical studies to show whether or not this was being passed through the animals. And the short end of the story is yes, that is passing through the animals' milk and into their meat and so when they're eating the genetically modified crops and the pesticides, it 100 % is ending up in their meat. So if we're thinking that it's just our crops that are having these pesticides put on them? No, it's our food. And that's why we're so sick in America, because they're getting us at every corner that we turn. We are ingesting these things that are killing our gut health. And the list of different digestive diseases, I mean, we've got GERD, we've got IBS, IBD, Crohn's disease, you know, we could go on and on and on about all the different things and how many people have leaky gut syndrome out there. I'm going to tell you. Lyndsay Soprano (47:26.892) Mm-hmm. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (47:28.604) If you take all the glyphosate out of your diet, you'll do wonders for your digestive system, but you're gonna have to repair it because the damage has already been done. Lyndsay Soprano (47:42.926) Well, how do we, yeah, no kidding. How do we, I mean, I'm just like sitting here going, everyone's going, well, where do I go? What supermarket can I go to? What market can I go to? What do I do right now about this? It's like, my God. I feel, I absolutely, cause we're pretty good about not, you know, getting the best food that we probably, well, he's not, but I am better about the things that go into my body. But it's same thing with meat. I'm really, if when I do eat meat, the bit that I do, I try to at least get the best meat that I could possibly find. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (47:52.658) What do you even eat? Lyndsay Soprano (48:12.396) You know, but how, the hell are we gonna go outside of growing it ourselves, which basically none of us can. What do we do? You're scaring me woman. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (48:20.584) Yeah. So I'll tell you, I'll tell you, like I recently stumbled upon this company that I really, really love. And it's this like total revolution in how you get your food. They're called As Your Standard. I have no connection to them other than they do sell my topicals. So if you want to get my etherble topicals, you can buy it from As Your Standard. We got picked up by them and that's how I found out about them. But they're phenomenal and they're changing the way you get your food. Okay, so they do these drop locations all over the country. They have thousands of them and it's the coolest community event you'll ever go to. Okay, so you order your food from as your standard. You can get 25 pound bags of rice, grain, whatever you want, pancake mix. You can get eggs and dairy from them as well. And once a month, a semi truck comes to a location in your local area called a drop location. It's usually somebody's house. The one by me is somebody's house. And the semi truck literally pulls up to their driveway and everybody who's ordered food on that semi truck helps to unload the semi truck. Everything's labeled and we go and we place it on placemats that have people's names on the driveway and everybody helps unload the semi truck and then everybody takes their food home. And they've got and all their products that are on their website are vetted or tacked. They have very high standards for what they're going to carry. And it's bringing food access to rural areas of the country where people would otherwise not have access to healthy organic food. And as your standard even has farms of their own. And so they sell their own farm products on their website, as well as other vendors from around the country. And so that's like that's one option for getting some healthy food. If you live in a food desert where you just can't find healthy food options. as your standard is a great resource. You finding local co-ops, finding a local grower or somebody like, so, you know, in my area, you can buy a quarter of a cow. So there's farms that have cows for sale and you can pre-buy your cow for the year. And you can say, okay, I want half a cow and I purchased my cow. And at the end of the year, they process that and I get the meat from half of a cow and you put that in your freezer. Lyndsay Soprano (50:22.528) It's so weird. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (50:38.506) And there you go, you've got your meat for the year. And so these are all over the place. I mean, I live just outside of Detroit. It's not exactly a city known for its food. I'm not too far from Portland. Yeah, yeah, so we're not exactly known for good quality things. We make cars. Come on, So. Lyndsay Soprano (50:48.878) Or water. How's Flint doing these days? Lyndsay Soprano (51:00.141) Right? Yeah. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (51:04.83) So there are things out there and when you're resourceful, you can find ways to feed yourself. I can't tell you the difference because I used to buy those little like eight ounce bags of brown rice. I got four kids, there's six people in my household to feed. We go through a lot of brown rice. And when I started buying it in bulk, the amount of money that I saved was just astronomical too. it is. Lyndsay Soprano (51:26.286) Well, and also though, there's a lot of people here, like you have a basement, we don't have basements in Southern California, that doesn't happen. And we've got a lot of people that live in small apartments that are in sky rises. So we've got to come up with better ways outside of buying half of a cow because we don't have space. We don't have space for half a cow, much less a one-off. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (51:40.873) You don't have a freezer in your basement. You know, and like I said, you can get all the way down to a quarter of a cow, but you can also go in on that cow with a friend if you're like, that's a lot of meat for me. You and your friend, I've done it. I've split a cow with somebody before. Like, do you want to buy a cow with Lyndsay Soprano (51:53.944) God! Lyndsay Soprano (52:01.816) Dad, this is the best! My bestie Shans, my bestie Shans, I'm saying this to you, you and I are buying half of a cow for Christmas. Who wants it on the other half audience? Go ahead and email me at lindsayatthepaingamepodcast.com. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (52:07.976) You did it on the show. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (52:24.458) I'll stick to my other hair. Lyndsay Soprano (52:24.678) my gosh, I love this conversation so much. But it is a little bit daunting, right? Everything that you've been talking about right now seems, it feels overwhelming to, I think everyone's like pulling over on the side of the road going, what the hell do I have in my kitchen right now? Because I know right now I'm going through all of the things that are in our refrigerator and I gotta go look in his freezer. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (52:30.858) It is a little bit... Lyndsay Soprano (52:49.506) because my gosh, I just feel like we have to throw everything away and start over again, which I know a lot of people do. And I make my New Year's resolutions in the month of October or November because the 31st everybody does it. Everyone's in yoga pants on January 1. Like give me a break, I'm over that. But I like to clean out stuff and get everything kind of ready for the start of the year instead of starting it at the beginning of the year because you're kind of like, well. I drank too much that, I ate too much that, I did too much that. And you give yourself the excuse to just completely overeat and eat the crappiest food. You're around your family, you're drinking too much because they drive you crazy. Your politics are fighting with each other. Nobody's even wanting to talk to each other. So it's like all of that stress of the holidays too makes you not treat your body very well too. So I like to kind of start a little bit earlier and I have more work to do than I thought I did before I got on with you today. First of all, I'm looking for a cow. I mean, the first thing. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (53:41.555) tell you guys like something up. I'll backtrack a little bit to something I briefly said, like one of my clients, a lot of my clients mentioned this is I give them small actionable steps. So you don't want to go and change 10 things all at once. You'll never stick to it, you'll feel overwhelmed. Pick one say, okay, I want to work on my water source. Lyndsay Soprano (53:53.888) Yes. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (54:03.484) and work on your water source and give that a good 30, 60 days and be like, okay, I'm really adjusted and this is a part of my life now and I've integrated it. What is my second step? Maybe I do want to buy that, you know, five or 10 pound bag of rice and put it in a five gallon bucket in a closet somewhere if I don't have a lot of space. Maybe I'm not going to buy that half a cup. But, you know, I can start moving towards some spaces. So I'll use an example from one of my clients because he wouldn't mind. Lyndsay Soprano (54:03.576) Yeah. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (54:33.45) So he came in and he was having some kidney issues, right? And we looked at what he was drinking. And you can guess he's drinking Gatorade and sodas and no water at all. He's never drinking water. And he says to me, well, I don't like to drink water. He said, okay, well. Lyndsay Soprano (54:49.07) That's my sweetie. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (54:50.954) You need water in your body to function and we have to fix your kidneys and if you continue drinking all of this stuff and you don't drink any water I'm never gonna be able to fix your kidneys. So what can we do? So I had to really like put on my thinking cap. So here's a person who likes sweetened fizzy drinks and I need him not to drink the fizzy because that sodium bicarbonate and it's causing an alkaline misbalance in his body. So I got to get him away from fizzy and I got to get him away from sweet and I got to get him on some herbal medicine. So how do I tackle all of those at once? And all of a sudden I realized I was like herbal oxymels. It's fantastic. He's got leaky gut syndrome and kidney problems. Okay, so an herbal oxymel is an apple cider vinegar extract of herbs that have honey added into them. And it's a way to extract medicine out of plants and have them as part of a daily, you know, daily drink. So apple cider vinegar is really, really, really good for the mucosal layer of your digestive system. Like I can't express enough how good it is to start your day off with a shot of warm, you know, take a shot of apple cider vinegar and put it in a little warm water because the gut likes things warm. A shot of warm apple cider vinegar before you have that coffee. it'll do wonders for healing your gut. So there's like one really easy, actionable step that everybody out there can go and get yourself some organic apple cider vinegar and wake up in the morning, take a tablespoon measurement of the apple cider vinegar, put a couple tablespoons of water in there that's warm and chug that down and give yourself five minutes before you drink your coffee. You'll be on a much better path just in that simple action. So what I did with this client is I made him an herbal Oximil. So it's an apple cider vinegar extract and I chose my herbs that was specific to my client and I soaked them in the apple cider vinegar and then I added the honey for a little bit of sweeter. And with our plan with the honey was to slowly reduce the amount of honey that was in his extract until there was only a very small amount because I had to adjust to his taste palette. Lyndsay Soprano (57:00.652) For sure, it's so sweet. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (57:00.956) And so when he left my office, he left with a tincture formula to help to support his body functions and a job to drink three glasses of water a day with a little bit of this herbal Oximil in it. And we started him off where he was going to come back and see me in three weeks. And week one, he was going to have one glass of water a day. Week two, he was going to have two glasses of water a day. And week three, he was going to have three glasses of water a day. And then he was going to come back and see me. He called me in five days, told me how much he loved the oxamels and that he thought they were so tasty and wonderful and wanted to know how to make them himself. And so it was just this full circle picture that was so wonderful. So he was a person who was just a soda drinking Gatorade person who was destroying their kidneys and their gut and went to having something that they loved and could replace all of that with and it actually helped to heal them. So I think that's herbal medicine at its core. when you can find something like that, that is just so simple and so powerful for your body. Lyndsay Soprano (58:06.03) And I love these kind of stories. And what I love about everything that you said as a whole for this entire episode today is that, guys, we're all different. Every single one of us is different. We have different needs. We have different habits. We have different times of the day that we thrive in, then we strive in versus we hit the deck at four o'clock or we hit the deck at one. Like, my sweetie's work schedule is totally weird. He gets up at three o'clock in the morning. He's still done with work by nine a.m. We're not even gonna talk about how that works, but it does. His circadian rhythms are totally different than mine are. so it's just like, all of those things come into play. never wakes up with the sunshine or goes to bed with the sunshine. Like the sun is only just during the day, right? So there's all, mean, all these different things are all so interconnected. And I love that you can literally get down to the science behind each and every one of us and how we are so different that when we're scrolling on Instagram at two o'clock in the morning, because we're not sleeping. And we're like, that's a supplement I'm gonna get. And then the next day we've got like 20, know, we did a subscription for 20 % off because we want to save money. And then we ended up having five jars of crap we're never gonna use again because we took it for a couple of days and it made us throw up. I mean, this is like seriously what I go through all of the time. And so I just, I'm kind of like, why do I keep buying these things? Why do I keep buying things? Because we are, I am desperate now. Like it's gonna get to the point that I will be in my wheelchair for the rest of my life if I don't get going on fixing this because And I keep trying and I keep trying, but I've never had a conversation quite like this one. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (59:35.179) Well, I'm very glad to have had it for you. And I know we've gone really long. I'll leave, I'll leave your guests with like a really quick and easy recipe here. Okay. So here's how you make your own herbal OXML at home. So you guys can start to repair your gut. All right. Get some go to cola herb, G-O-T-U-K-O-L-A, get it organic, dry herb, dry leaf. Okay, you're gonna take a quart mason jar. Lyndsay Soprano (59:39.074) No, it's okay. This is incredible. Lyndsay Soprano (59:44.238) Ooooo Bonnie D'Arcangelo (01:00:04.946) I want you to put one cup of that go to cola herb in the mason jar, then fill the mason jar up halfway with apple cider vinegar, organic, must be organic if you're going to use it for medicine. And then fill it up another quarter of the way with honey. So you have a jar that's three quarters of the way filled. So twice as much apple cider vinegar as honey. And then you're gonna put it on your kitchen counter and you're going to shake it every single day for a week. and get and then strain out with a cheesecloth or coffee filter, whatever you have around the house, strain out the herb and put the oxymil in your fridge. And every morning, take that couple tablespoons of your apple cider vinegar with your warm water. It will really help to restore that digestive tract. If anybody out there is listening has leaky gut syndrome or IBS or IBD or Crohn's or celiacs, any of those digestive issues. GERD included. this will really help to go a long way. And I'm gonna say that for 90 % of you listening, because there's always gonna be the 10 % of the people that are gonna be a little different. Lyndsay Soprano (01:01:20.238) You're so adorable. just love you to death. This has been amazing. This is super, this has been incredibly sciencey guys. And I love it because we don't get, we don't get incredibly sciencey on the show for a good reason because everybody, mean, this was a very, I mean, this was an intense episode with information. One that I'm going to have to listen to a couple of times over again to really, to even have it all sink in. And also I need to talk to you like as soon as we hang up, but it's. I am so incredibly grateful for this, especially because we're closing season three. And this is exactly where I wanted the season to be closing, where we were talking about this kind of stuff that as we're going into the new year, as we're trying to make some changes, as we're learning more about our bodies, as we're getting sicker instead of better. And if you've listened to the whole season three, we've had some incredibly energy, energy healing. holistic practitioners, all these incredible people this season that I want to give shouts out to as well. But man, this has been incredible. And thank you for being my little encyclopedia on my show. Amazing. So you can find her all over the place. The name of her company is hard to spell. It's ETH Herbal, but it's A-E-T-H-E-R-B-A-L. And you can go there.com. She has a podcast as well. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (01:02:23.134) Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure talking to you. Lyndsay Soprano (01:02:41.346) She's on YouTube, that's her website, she's on Insta, find her all over the place. If you can't find her, reach out to me and I'm happy to make a connection with you too. This has been amazing. Is there anything else that you want to leave us with before we hit the dusty trail? Bonnie D'Arcangelo (01:02:55.316) I will leave you all with just one piece of advice. Don't buy that next supplement you see on Instagram. Lyndsay Soprano (01:03:02.766) Thank you because I have a bunch of them bookmarked. Don't do it. Don't do it. Well, thank you so much, Bonnie. I really appreciate your time with us today. This has been epic. I told you guys she was wicked smart. You are exclusively invited to share this blending science and medicine by yourself half of a cow VIP pain journey together. Let's get to the heart of how to heal with you by my side. Bonnie D'Arcangelo (01:03:07.306) Don't do it! Bonnie D'Arcangelo (01:03:15.23) Thank you. Lyndsay Soprano (01:03:31.512) Please follow The Pain Game Podcast wherever you digest your podcast content. We will be there. 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