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Turnbuckles & Stogies - Andrew Thorp King Returns!! · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Gorilla Yo-yo yo what is up?
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  What is up? Yo this is turnbuckles and
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  stogie spot. I am the host with the most the
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  big dog, the vanilla gorilla, the OG.
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  What is going on with you players today?
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  What's up boys? I'm excited for this show.
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  This is my boy right here we're going to be talking with.
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  Justin, first of all, I'm excited, too, but I mean, don't
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  get up and go to the bathroom while you got a woody, OK?
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  I mean, I don't want your camera to fall the other way and
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  everybody sees what you ain't got.
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  I mean, that's what I heard. But anyways, today's a beautiful
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  day, guys. We are here today to talk to our
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  boy and we are going to bring him on the interview of the
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  week. I'll let you introduce some,
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  Dennis. Hold on.
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  The interview of the week he's brought to you by Jersey Mike's,
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  a sub above. What is going on guys?
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  We can't wait. We couldn't wait to get this
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  guy, I believe, back. Honey was on once, wasn't he?
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  Yes, he was. Go ahead, he.
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  Was on once he's coming back again it's been a.
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  While when we're going to in a room again, he is a an author of
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  failure rules and a good friend of all of ours and we are
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  excited to have the man back himself.
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  I call him ATK Andrew Thorpe. King failure rules.
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  Well. Not only.
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  What's up? Not only is he an author, he
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  owns a he. He owns a company that puts out
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  bands he owns. That he called the record label.
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  Yeah, that too. That's right.
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  That's right. He owns other things, so Andrew
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  I. Know a thing or two about a
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  thing? Or two Andrew, Andrew, Andrew.
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  So. What's up?
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  I want you to tell our viewers and our followers how we all got
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  together and we met. Yes, I was drunk.
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  I did have a that day. I didn't see a thing.
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  I didn't see a damn thing we have as a judge, as far as I
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  could tell. I don't know, listen.
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  We had a we had a great time in AC.
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  We need to get together again soon.
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  But tell everybody how you met OG and you met me and Joe.
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  Yeah, so, well, OG, it was from Johnny Smokes Uncut.
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  Johnny had me on to just talk about the book when it was
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  launching and there was like a little Q&A and that kind of
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  thing. And it was a good conversation.
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  I was like pleasantly surprised some people that kind of looked
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  things up and had some good informed questions.
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  So OG heard me there and I think you had a question while we're
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  on there and then you hit me up after.
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  I don't remember the whole sequence was something like
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  that. Yeah, and then we ended up
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  hooking up in Indiana for the John Daly Folds of Honor.
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  That's right. Is that what it was called the
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  Folds of Honor? OK.
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  Yeah, Yeah. That's.
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  Right. Oh, we had a black.
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  Yeah, I. Mean how did that work out with,
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  how did that work out with the Falls of Honor with John Daly?
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  And then you were hosting the whole weekend.
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  Hey, was it? Listen, I was glad to do it, man
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  it, it was my privilege to be around all those American
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  veterans and those, all those supporters out there.
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  I got to meet great folks, including Andrew out there in
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  person. We had a blast.
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  And after the golf outing, we all went down to the barrel and
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  Blaze, it was called, I think. Yeah, yeah.
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  Barrel. Blaze.
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  Yeah. And we hung out there and then
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  Andrew and I retired back to a different bar for a few more
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  drinks to finish off the night. We had a we had an incredible
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  time. I did.
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  Yeah, Yeah, it was a good time. That was a good time.
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  Yeah. So that was fun.
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  But like tracing it back too, like OG you and I then connected
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  and then I think that the next step wasn't you had me on this,
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  but then you couldn't make it. So I talked to the vanilla
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  gorilla who who looks like he's got I don't know, man, He looks
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  like he's hot. It's hot.
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  He he he's turned Arabic. I'm not sure you know he's.
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  Yeah. And then My Man and then Boss
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  Dog. And then we had, we had that
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  episode, and then we had it wasn't AC, it was Asbury Park,
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  but close enough. Asbury Park, Yeah.
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  What's the name of that shop again?
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  I don't remember the name of the shop now.
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  I can't believe I'm. Forgetting.
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  Yeah, they go simple enough. Or.
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  Something like that. Yeah, and it was a rainy day.
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  The turn out was OK, but it was good enough and some people
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  showed up and had fun and boss dog was wildly excited and a
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  little too excited and his drinking, I think out, you know,
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  kept up with his excitement pace.
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  And I don't know, my mid afternoon.
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  I just I was on the podcast and I look over and vanilla gorilla
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  was ushering him out almost like they needed the boss dog was
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  kind of resisting the the situation, it looked like.
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  And he was he he was not going to go down easily, but he went
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  he went down. So that was a shame, but you
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  didn't miss too much Boston after that, you know, things
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  just kind of chilled out. So you know, it was, it was, it
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  was a good event. It was a good, I mean, I've had
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  better, but it was a good event. And those, those guys at Hasbury
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  Park cigars are great over there.
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  I used to go down there for vacation a couple years ago.
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  It's been a while, but I go there two or three times a year
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  'cause I like Hasbury Park for some reason.
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  I like that lounge. It's a good music scene.
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  A lot of hardcore punk rock there at the independent season.
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  Good shows there like Madball and a few other Madball H2O and
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  I like the beach there. So, yeah.
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  And I always used to get the same Airbnb there with a nice
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  pool and a hot tub. I'm a I'm, I'm a sucker for a
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  good hot tub. So, you know, even in the
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  summer, I don't give a shit. And so, yeah, that was fun.
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  And yeah. And then, then, then we had the
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  Indiana thing and that was cool too.
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  Major Ed, that was the guy, right?
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  Yeah, he was definitely a trip man.
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  He, he definitely is a character.
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  Good guy. I saw him in the airport on the
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  way home and chatted with him for a while in the airport and
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  then we had like one follow up call after that just talking
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  shop and you know, I haven't connected with him.
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  Since well, listen, that brings me that brings me to the next
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  step. So I want to get Majorette on
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  here. I want to get John Daly on here.
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  I got to reach out to myself. But my thing is your book, I
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  can't find it because when I move, honestly, I read it.
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  I don't remember. I had that book I packed away.
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  I had a incident February where I can't remember too much.
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  But here's my thing. When I read your book, I fucking
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  loved it. It's all the truth.
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  And for those that never read his book, you need to read
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  Failure Route. It's a great book.
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  I love it to death. And guess what?
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  That man right there, we'll tell you everything there is and what
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  you need to do or how you should go about doing it so that you
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  don't fail. Like I thought, honestly, when
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  we started this podcast, me and Joey and Dennis, I thought we
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  were going to fail. We're going on five years.
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  That's. Awesome.
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  For listen, in four years we've had everybody under the sun on,
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  so I'm not worried about it. I don't care whether it's
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  wrestlers. Listen, we I want to have
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  somebody around here to paint the fucking mural.
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  That'd be cool. You know what I mean?
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  So people will say, well, you just turn buckles and stogies
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  and wrestling. I said, listen, I run the
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  company. If I want to have somebody on
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  here that's a housewife, I'm going to have her on here.
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  That's the way that works, you know there.
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  We go Real Housewives, the Stogies, the Stogies and
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  wrestling. There you go.
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  There we go. Why not Andrew, Andrew before
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  before we get into your book, I got to ask you, man, it's been a
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  while since we talked. So what's going on currently in
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  your life? Are you what you got any
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  projects brewing or you just enjoying life?
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  What's going on right now are. You still.
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  Questioning 20 kids. No, no, no, no.
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  No 3 kids with the first wife, No kids with the second wife.
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  And I've got a current girlfriend now that we've been
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  with for three years. So I've travelled the world with
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  the ethnicities of my wives and girlfriends.
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  I started off in Asia, then I went to Italy and then I went to
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  Israel and now I'm in Russia. So I've kind of travelled the
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  world with the ethnicities of my wives and girlfriends.
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  So your new your new girlfriend is Russian?
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  She is, yes. Yeah, she's fantastic.
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  Yeah, she's great. So tell us.
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  Tell us. No, I was going to say, I just
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  realized that I I already failed in this interview because I
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  forgot to actually bring a copy of the book here to show on
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  screen. Do you have I got you?
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  I got you brother. I got you man, Bro, I'm not
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  kidding. It is my Bible and I've been
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  reading it more now because my company is just pittered out and
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  I feel like a failure. So every time I feel like that,
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  I'm not kidding, I pick up this book and find a chapter that
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  relates to me. I have looked through your book.
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  I can't tell you how many times I'm I have not read it cover to
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  cover. I don't know if it's meant to be
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  or not, but I am not ready to cover cover.
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  I found the one chapter, it is power path and only 5 pages.
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  You kind of you, you kind of hit everything in one page and it's
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  so powerful. It's your chapter and I got it
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  open right now. Develop bulldog tenacity and
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  create something out of nothing. Those 5 pages are stellar.
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  If anybody goes out there and gets this book, hey, if you want
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  to read the cover cover, go for it.
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  But I would highly recommend you pop open the page 429.
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  It's 5 pages long. You're going to get just an
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  overall idea of this book because it talks about rule #5 I
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  wouldn't say it's the cornerstone of your rules, but
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  it is a powerful part of the rules that you have with Tim.
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  It's a good. Book and #1 failure purifiers #5
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  you, and not your failures like they really, you know, poke you
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  and all the other ones. Well, yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, very, very good. I love that chapter, my man.
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  And and you, you're a fantastic author, by the way, and I'm not
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  saying it. The blow smoke, ha, ha, ha, no,
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  no pun intended. We're all blowing smoke now.
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  But I'm not a, I'm not a big book reader.
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  And so the book has to hook me. You know, I, I on Page 1 and
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  your book, your introduction to the book alone, hook me into
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  that. And just all of your
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  experiences, your personal experiences, you will get to
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  know who Andrew is in this book, where he, where he came from,
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  who he is, how he got to where he is today.
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  This is probably one of the best self help books I've ever
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  purchased. And I don't know if you consider
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  it that, but I do. Yeah, it is.
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  I mean, at the end of the day, it is.
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  Yeah, Yeah, for. Sure.
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  So tell me, I want to know. I want to know.
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  Do you remember the 5th failure? Do you remember that, that that
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  chapter? Yeah, you are not your failures.
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  It's failure #5 And you're talking about the chapter where
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  I write about Tony Brummel, who was the founder of Victory
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  Records. And he had no college degree,
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  never had a resume, didn't have wealthy parents, started his
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  company on $800. And I think it was 2022, he
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  exited with a $34 million exit. This guy just.
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  And his, the symbol of his record label was a bulldog.
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  He just had bulldog tenacity. He was, he was very well, he was
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  very controversial in the scene because a lot of people thought
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  he really shrewd, ripped some people off this and that.
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  I'm not saying he did. I've talked to him a bunch of
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  times and he is super hard nosed and very shrewd.
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  But the guy did just have that tenacity.
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  And I just love his quote of like, hey, I've never had a
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  resume. I've never had a boss.
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  I didn't go to college. I started this company with
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  $800. Now, of course, like, yeah,
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  that's an anomalous right? That's a Unicorn.
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  Not everybody can do that, obviously, but it's taken that
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  spirit in a whatever level you need to do in your own life to
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  overcome whatever obstacles or gaps you think you have.
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  You know, that this guy didn't have all the, the, the kind of
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  prerequisite advantages we think are necessary to do something
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  great. And he did it anyway, so we can
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  too, right? But it does take that tenacity
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  almost like a, a, a delusional belief in yourself and the
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  ability to go forward even when shit is just breaking and not
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  working and going off course and just having that delusional
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  vision, like, no, I'm going to keep going.
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  I'm going to keep doing this, you know?
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  And so, yeah, that that was like, for me, very
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  inspirational. Yeah, no, we just had our guest
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  last week, Aaron from Las Vegas Cigars.
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  He is, he's, he is the persona of rule #5 Don't you?
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  You can hear it the way he talks.
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  You can hear and every all the information he gives you He what
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  do you say guys that he like one day was at an event met somebody
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  and three days later he started a cigar company like he is just
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  100 percent 100 miles an hour let.
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  Them shook their hand and they were making his cigars like 3
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  weeks. Later so and here's another
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  thing about that. So he said something got him in
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  trouble. It didn't get him in trouble.
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  What they did was the podcast he was on and what he said was.
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  Well, let's, no, let's that was we won't, we won't address that
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  right. We won't address that that
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  because that had nothing to do with what he was.
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  Saying, yeah, yeah. But anyway, Andrew, now the
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  follow up to that for you was going to be tell me about your
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  Pitbull tenacity and writing the book and about your record
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  company and everything you've accomplished.
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  Tell us about that mentality, about you didn't take no for an
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  answer and you just did it your way.
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  And if you were wrong, you were fucking wrong, and you just
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  moved on. Tell me.
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  Tell us about that. Well, a lot of it goes to what
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  you're saying about this. This this gentleman you were
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  just talking about the cigar guy.
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  I didn't catch the full name. What's the name of the cigar
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  company? What was the name of the?
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  What's the name of? The cigar company La Vega.
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  OK, yeah, so like it sounds like he had like a real like ready
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  fire aim mentality, right? Which I think is really
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  necessary because if you're waiting for all the conditions
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  to be perfect, everything to be known, you're, you're never
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  going to start, you're going to have that paralysis, right?
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  But if you just start and you activate energy and then you
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  start firing before you aim, the firing reveals the aim.
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  So action reveals the aim. Like once you get started, the
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  vision starts to unravel with more clarity, right?
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  It's just like you're driving down the road.
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  You don't see all the roads you're going to go down to on
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  the trip. You see just what's in front of
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  you, but things start being revealed as you move forward,
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  right? So it's like the same idea.
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  And that's how it was for me. It was like similar to this
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  story. Like I just decided one day I
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  was unemployed. I got laid off right after I got
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  married to my first wife at a desk job that I didn't like.
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  And I got laid off and I was like delivering pizzas,
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  collected unemployment. I just decided like, you know
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  what, I'm starting a record label.
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  I had a vision for it and maxed out my credit cards.
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  And out of nowhere, I met with this pretty well known band in
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  New York, this band Breakdown, who had a good following and had
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  a history. And I just met with him and I,
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  you know, struck up a deal, not really knowing what I what I was
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  doing actually my credit cards and started the company now then
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  the trouble and the the tumult started because I had revenue,
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  but I also had debt and sales weren't what I thought, but then
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  I was in it right. It was that ready fire aim and
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  you kind of I kind of learned as I went.
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  I took the hits and I kept moving forward, you know,
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  because it it, but it was just the idea of just you just got to
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  get started sometimes. I mean, something burns inside
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  of you and you just let that burn and you don't never act on
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  it, man. It's got to eat you up inside.
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  You know, if it if it's something real that you're
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  supposed to chase after. Oh, so you look like you.
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  You had something to say. I did, but I got cut off.
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  That's OK, I'm good with that. So my thing is this, So you
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  started the record company with your maxed out credit cards and
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  everything else. What would you tell three guys
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  that you know that are here that are starting their own cigar
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  company with like 200 bucks? Well, I don't know if 200 bucks
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  will cut it. I had to use credit, but I get
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  your point. Your point is you're starting
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  with the idea. You're figuring out the details
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  after the fact, right? So, yeah, yeah.
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  It's like, you know, go and you you're building a network of
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  people in the cigar industry through this podcast through
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  through, you know, I think you went to PCA, right?
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  Things like that, like see whose attention you can get without
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  putting them in a burdensome position, right?
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  Like meet them on their own terms and try to find a way to
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  pick the brain and try to figure out like, what should I be
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  thinking about first? What should I be thinking about
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  second? And figure out what those
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  initial steps look like. And do that while you maintain
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  your day job, which I call the thing one and thing two
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  dependency, right? Like so it's maintain that
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  stability. Find the energy in your off
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  hours to take actionable, like affordable steps to start
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  pursuing that North Star dream. And you just got to find those.
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  What is the first affordable step?
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  Take that. What's the next affordable step?
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  But networking is key, right? It's like, who can you see
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  that's already done it or is doing it that that might show
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  you some favor and giving them giving you some of their time
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  and see if you can get some insight and start there.
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  And it's never going to be perfect insight, but you got to
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  get some sort of thread that you can pull on to get that first
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  step like defined. Correct.
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  So we have, we do have a distributor we've been talking
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  when we made our labels for us. Now I just got to send the money
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  for the, for the sample test. I got to send the money for
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  that. Once we get that our cigars
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  should be out. I'm going to say our, our, our
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  samples, not our samples, but our, our limited edition should
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  be out by end of August, beginning in September.
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  That's awesome. So The thing is it's a sample.
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  So when I say a sample, it's limited edition.
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  Once they're gone, they're gone. You need to order them.
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  Once we put the pre-orders out, once we put out the pre-orders,
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  that's what's paying for my cigars, not mine.
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  I got to pay full price, Dennis got to pay full price and Joe's
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  got to pay. I'm not getting a discount, I'm
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  not getting nothing. So anybody out there follow what
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  that man says Andrew Thorpe King in his book.
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  Because that man went from nothing to something.
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  That is my opinion to everybody out there.
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  That's cool that you're taking that step, man.
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  That's awesome. It's going to be called Boss Dog
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  Cigars or what's the what's the brand name?
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  No. It's turnbuckles and stogies.
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  Oh, even OK, that's cool. Tying the wrestling.
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  I like it. That's cool.
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  Well, on that note, let's take a little commercial break and then
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  we'll be. Right back see.
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  Yo, what is up? What is up?
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  Yo, this is the big dog, the host with the most, the vanilla
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  gorilla and the OG. And today's guest we have Mr.
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  ATP, Andrew ATK, Andrew Thorpe King.
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  What's going on? That was a very intense
• 26:17
  emotional commercial break. I know, right?
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  You, you. So I got, I got to show you when
• 26:23
  I tell you that this is this is myself.
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  Look at it's highlighted. The whole book is highlighted
• 26:30
  with what I think is important. That applies to me.
• 26:33
  I got to circle back. Could you you mentioned
• 26:35
  something really important before just before break, and
• 26:38
  that was talking about advice to Joey and boss and myself and
• 26:42
  finding that mentor, finding somebody that will give a moment
• 26:46
  of their time to help guide us and maybe point us in the
• 26:49
  direction. Maybe think of think of things
• 26:51
  that we're not thinking about to help us in our goals.
• 26:55
  Now you're in your book. You did a great job at the
• 27:00
  definitions. I forget what it was called,
• 27:04
  definition of terms. You call the Carl moment, which
• 27:07
  addresses just that, and in in eight sentences.
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  Again, people can get the essence of what you're talking
• 27:16
  about, but talk to people about what the Carl moment is.
• 27:20
  Yeah, sure. So Carl was a real dude.
• 27:22
  I'm not going to mention his last name, but at that time I'd
• 27:24
  already started my record label, but I still had the day job
• 27:27
  because I couldn't live off it yet, right?
• 27:29
  But I wanted to get the music industry.
• 27:31
  I was trying to make my way into that space.
• 27:33
  And so it was like this serendipitous, almost like
• 27:36
  divine Providence kind of moment where like I was trying to find
• 27:39
  someone to help guide me or give me that that that game changing
• 27:43
  connection. And I was at the gym one night
• 27:46
  and I see this guy and has a snap case shirt on.
• 27:48
  That was a band from upstate New York, a hardcore band.
• 27:51
  They were actually on Victory Records.
• 27:53
  Tony Brummel, who wrote that Bulldog tenacity chapter about
• 27:56
  and I just went up and started talking to him.
• 27:59
  It was rare to see somebody at the gym with like a hardcore
• 28:00
  shirt on. So it was like a tribal thing,
• 28:02
  like try, you know, I knew, I knew, I knew what that was kind
• 28:04
  of thing, you know, it'd be like if you saw somebody with a cigar
• 28:07
  shirt at a, at a, at a supermarket or some shit, you
• 28:09
  know, oh, look, you know, he's got a Espinoza shirt on or
• 28:13
  whatever, right? And so I'm talking to him and it
• 28:15
  turns out he'd just moved from Colorado.
• 28:17
  He quit his job as an attorney to be the VP of Relapse Records,
• 28:20
  which is a, it's a big metal grind core record label, world
• 28:24
  world renowned. And apparently Relapse is moving
• 28:27
  from Lancaster, PA, Upper Darby, PA.
• 28:30
  I just, I happened to live 5 minutes away from what the new
• 28:32
  office was and I went back and forth with this guy, told him
• 28:35
  about the label I had started and, and all that kind of thing.
• 28:38
  And over e-mail within a month, he ended up hiring me over there
• 28:42
  to run their wholesale apartment.
• 28:43
  And that just changed everything because once I kind of got into
• 28:45
  the system, then I was getting paid by day to learn the
• 28:48
  business that I was doing at night entrepreneurially.
• 28:52
  So it was very vertically integrated and they at one point
• 28:55
  even gave me a distribution deal and they started distributing my
• 28:58
  records for me. I still work for them during the
• 29:00
  day, but it was a kind of integrated and you know, you
• 29:02
  can't manufacture those things, right?
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  Like I didn't know I was going to meet him that night.
• 29:06
  It just sort of happened. But from there on, then started
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  the new network, you know, so, but you're going to be on the
• 29:13
  lookout for what might be those game changing kind of connectors
• 29:16
  that you get, you know, these people that you're going to
• 29:18
  meet. And you know, that's what you
• 29:21
  guys are doing now. You you're immersing yourself in
• 29:23
  the cigar industry and trying to figure out, you know, what's
• 29:26
  what, what the land land is, what's possible.
• 29:29
  And you never know who you're going to meet that might give
• 29:31
  you that one insight, give you some time, or give you that
• 29:33
  connection or that idea, you know?
• 29:36
  Yeah. So let me ask you this.
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  You said when you were Do you still own your record company?
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  Yeah, I have. I have two of them.
• 29:49
  They're catalog of over 100 titles between the two labels.
• 29:52
  One is Thorpe Records and the other is Sailor's Grave Records.
• 29:55
  1 is Thorpe is all hardcore and metal.
• 29:57
  Sailor's Grave is like punk. Oy St. punk, Psycho Billy,
• 30:02
  Irish, Irish punk. Do you do concerts and all of
• 30:05
  that? Nope, that all the booking and
• 30:08
  all the touring. That was up to the bands.
• 30:09
  I would support it at certain levels, at certain times, but I
• 30:12
  was just marketing, distribution, sensing, marketing
• 30:16
  and distribution. That's essentially what I did.
• 30:18
  I would, I would sign them record deals and I would get the
• 30:21
  the music distributed and I would market it.
• 30:23
  And that was a lot more important before Spotify, before
• 30:26
  social media, which is why I don't actually, I don't actively
• 30:30
  do the labels anymore because the models change so much and
• 30:32
  it's not quite worth it economically anymore.
• 30:35
  And I've accomplished enough where like I don't even have the
• 30:37
  desire so much. My desires are elsewhere.
• 30:40
  So how is that working out now that you don't have to do all
• 30:44
  that? How?
• 30:45
  How is your company working now that you don't have to do all?
• 30:49
  That it's just passive revenue. It's just, I own the right
• 30:52
  forever. Just like if you own any other
• 30:54
  asset and money comes in, it's mostly streaming revenue and,
• 30:58
  and a little bit of downloads from Apple iTunes, but mostly
• 31:03
  Apple Music and Spotify and all the streaming networks.
• 31:05
  And, you know, and then I, I pay royalties, the bands that earn
• 31:09
  them. And I have 3 or 4 bands that are
• 31:11
  still kind of active on the road that I touched with and friends
• 31:13
  with. And you know, if they need
• 31:15
  actual physical products for the road, I, I arranged that and but
• 31:19
  they're not, they're the record labels aren't active anymore.
• 31:21
  They're just kind of like passive digital IP rights at
• 31:26
  this point. So tell us a little bit more and
• 31:34
  I understand OG spoke about 1 chapter in the book.
• 31:39
  Tell us a little bit more about your book, like did you write
• 31:45
  your book or did you have somebody write it for you?
• 31:49
  I wrote entirely by myself, man. Over the course of eight years,
• 31:52
  there was fits and starts and stops where there'll be like 6
• 31:54
  months I didn't write and I'd come back to it and then I'd
• 31:57
  write a whole bunch and come back to it.
• 31:58
  But it was really COVID during the lockdown that I really
• 32:01
  locked in, locked, locked in on the lockdown and really went at
• 32:05
  it, man. I'd spend like 6 hours a day
• 32:07
  just pouring out of me. Rewrites, edits, ideas were
• 32:11
  flowing. I'd go on writers retreats where
• 32:13
  I bust out 6000 words a day, you know, I mean, just by myself.
• 32:16
  And that's what it really accelerated.
• 32:19
  And then I, I worked with Scribe Media and Line Crest Publishing
• 32:24
  and they had a team of editors that helped me refine it over a
• 32:26
  course of 18 months and come up with the iconography and the
• 32:29
  marketing plan and all of that stuff.
• 32:30
  But every word was my. I mean, yes, through the edits,
• 32:33
  I accepted some changes from editors, but it was all like,
• 32:36
  you know, from a, from a origination standpoint, all from
• 32:39
  my brain and you know, me typing it out.
• 32:42
  So you basically did what myself, Joey and OG did during
• 32:47
  coke. You started something and hope
• 32:51
  it keeps going and God bless COVID.
• 32:54
  I hope it never ever happens again of.
• 32:56
  Course, but. With that, there would not be no
• 33:01
  turnbuckles and stogies without coke.
• 33:03
  That's, that's a, that's a familiar story.
• 33:05
  There's a lot of people that started podcasts that are
• 33:07
  running strong today that started in COVID.
• 33:09
  I got a, I got a guy, another guy.
• 33:10
  I know the same thing. And that's like, you know, and
• 33:13
  that's the thing. You have a choice in situations
• 33:15
  where life is disrupted, you have a choice to just, you know,
• 33:18
  focus on the disruption and look at the negative or you take that
• 33:21
  empty failure space or that empty disruption space and you
• 33:24
  create something out of nothing. And that's what you did, man.
• 33:26
  And that's the whole spirit of the book and.
• 33:28
  You know, great. The thing is, everybody thought
• 33:34
  Dennis OG left for personal reasons.
• 33:37
  Whatever he left, he hit us up and said I want to come back.
• 33:43
  And everybody thought because he left that I was pissed off.
• 33:47
  Was I pissed when he first left? Yes, because he didn't explain
• 33:50
  to us. He just said I'm stepping away,
• 33:52
  I'll talk to you later. I texted him, I called him.
• 33:55
  I got no answer. Finally he texted me.
• 33:58
  He goes, yo, can we talk? I said sure we can talk.
• 34:02
  And Dennis told me this. His wife said to him why didn't
• 34:07
  you call Dave and tell him why you left?
• 34:12
  And I said it doesn't matter why he left, he left and I was
• 34:14
  pissed off because he just up and left without us.
• 34:18
  Well, you know, sometimes, sometimes in life, sometimes in
• 34:21
  life there, you know, as an individual, you have to
• 34:25
  reconcile with yourself 1st and decide who you're going to share
• 34:29
  that personal information with. And I had to reconcile whether I
• 34:34
  wanted to share that with you and Joey, I didn't know if that
• 34:36
  was appropriate, not appropriate.
• 34:38
  And then I, I finally just said to myself, like, Hey, if this
• 34:43
  podcast is going to go forward and be successful, we got to be
• 34:47
  the three best friends out there.
• 34:48
  You know, I mean, we, we have to know each other inside and out.
• 34:52
  So I reached out to boss and I said, here's what's going on in
• 34:55
  my personal life. This is why I didn't reach out
• 34:58
  immediately because I had to be good with me giving you this
• 35:02
  information and knowing that you weren't going to share that
• 35:05
  information expeditiously with anybody.
• 35:09
  I didn't want that. And once I got that, that inner
• 35:14
  trust of saying, OK, these guys are not going to do that because
• 35:17
  let's face it, up until that time, I only met him once in
• 35:21
  person. And it's always been on
• 35:23
  Instagram. So it's hard to, yeah, it's hard
• 35:26
  to figure somebody out and whether you want to do that or
• 35:28
  not. And I finally, I finally got
• 35:32
  comfortable with an uncomfortable situation, said,
• 35:34
  you know what, I'm just going to go for it and just tell them if
• 35:37
  they understand, great. If they don't, they don't want
• 35:40
  me back. So be it.
• 35:42
  You know it's it's going to be what it's going to be which, go
• 35:47
  ahead. It's it's like I say and and
• 35:51
  you've heard this OG people hit me up and say, oh, I thought you
• 35:55
  and OG were never friends. I said no, we've been friends.
• 35:59
  I said he's one of my best friends.
• 36:02
  I said yes. I said y'all probably thought
• 36:06
  because we didn't say much about it, but what am I going to tell
• 36:09
  him? I said he left due to personal
• 36:12
  reasons. It's nobody's business why you
• 36:14
  left. That's a that's a rare thing for
• 36:19
  people to understand in the in the days of social media and
• 36:22
  people revealing everything to everyone.
• 36:23
  So that's a good distinction. Yeah.
• 36:26
  And, and, and none of us are going to, I don't, I can only
• 36:31
  speak for me, but I would assume that these guys will never
• 36:33
  reveal anything that goes on between the three of us to
• 36:37
  anybody because that's insider stuff that stays, you know, what
• 36:40
  happens in Vegas stays in Vegas kind of stuff, right?
• 36:45
  You know, and we've already talked about having select, you
• 36:50
  know, behind the scenes shows to kind of give everybody the scoop
• 36:55
  of different moments, different interviews.
• 36:58
  You know, Joey's got a bunch of video from after production
• 37:01
  recordings of previous guests and stuff.
• 37:04
  And eventually we're going to reveal some stuff as more of a
• 37:09
  consumer interest aspect, if you will.
• 37:12
  But. Yeah, like and after show, yeah,
• 37:15
  insider stuff. But I, I kind of want to, I want
• 37:18
  to get back to you because you are such a fascinating dude.
• 37:22
  And I hope through this podcast and other podcasts that you've
• 37:26
  been on, people find you approachable and want to get to
• 37:30
  know your story because your story is like stuff for
• 37:35
  Hollywood and it it would endear people to you in a way.
• 37:43
  No, you know, and instead of just seeing this podcast and
• 37:46
  going on with her the rest of her time, like I hope they reach
• 37:49
  out to you on social media and say, Andrew, love to get to know
• 37:51
  you, you know, let's, where are you?
• 37:53
  All right, let's I'm close. Let's go grab a cigar or
• 37:55
  whatever to draw people to you, not only for your book, but
• 38:01
  again, as someone they can relate to in life that has had
• 38:05
  these life experiences, not just in business, but in personal a
• 38:09
  personal aspect and get people to be aware of who Andrew is.
• 38:14
  Because I got to be honest with you.
• 38:15
  I'm we've already talked about our history and how we game came
• 38:19
  about to know each other, but it wasn't until after the after
• 38:23
  party at barrel and blaze when when just like four of us got
• 38:28
  together, That's when you and I really started talking like we
• 38:31
  started to kind of get to know each other and and and had a
• 38:35
  great time doing that. I hope that, you know, these
• 38:39
  people watching and listening to this will find that ability in
• 38:43
  themselves to reach out to you and say, hey, I'm curious about
• 38:46
  your book, you know, where can I get it?
• 38:47
  And we'll talk about that later. But where can I get it And tell
• 38:50
  me about you. And I'm in your neighborhood.
• 38:53
  Let's have a cigar. Let's sit down and chat.
• 38:56
  Like, wait. You know, we're all three of us
• 38:58
  are approachable here. People just don't realize it.
• 39:03
  People are like, well, you know, go ahead, Joyce, see your hand
• 39:06
  up? Oh, no, that was your cigar.
• 39:08
  I'm sorry. It's blocked.
• 39:10
  It's blocked by the recording. I see up on the screen it said
• 39:13
  recording. So you're like half blocked out.
• 39:17
  But anyway, let's get back to Andrew, who are you?
• 39:22
  And just get us the basics of your roots, not the personal
• 39:26
  stuff, but just where you grow up.
• 39:29
  That kind of lifestyle that kind of helped mold you through your
• 39:33
  journey in life into where you are now.
• 39:36
  Like where did you start out? Tell us about your roots.
• 39:39
  Yeah, so I grew up where I live now, even though I didn't always
• 39:42
  live here, but I grew up in, they call it Delco, Delaware
• 39:46
  County suburb outside of Philly. That that show, what was it?
• 39:51
  Mayor of East Town came out a few years ago.
• 39:53
  It was all Delco based and all the Delco accents.
• 39:55
  It was like a big deal. There's another movie with Jerry
• 39:58
  Jeremy Piven called Last Call, which was all Delco based.
• 40:01
  So like in recent years and the Task came out recently on a
• 40:04
  Delco based. So Delco has its own character.
• 40:07
  It's very kind of like working class.
• 40:10
  It's got like this Philly adjacent kind of accent attached
• 40:14
  to it. And so that's where I grew up
• 40:17
  and wandered around, lived in Ohio for seven years, lived in
• 40:20
  Maryland for a couple years and lived in the city proper for a
• 40:23
  little bit in South Philly. But now I'm back in Delco.
• 40:26
  And yeah, so I mean, honestly, I mean, the most formative things
• 40:30
  that when I was younger, I was, I was never into like team
• 40:32
  sports. I was never into like, you know,
• 40:34
  the normal school shit, you know, like I, I wasn't, I wasn't
• 40:37
  going to go volunteer to have somebody tell me what to do
• 40:39
  after school when somebody was telling me what to do all day in
• 40:41
  school. Like that wasn't going to
• 40:42
  happen. So I got into like freestyle BMX
• 40:46
  and I was into like hanging out with skateboarders and I was
• 40:48
  into like, you know, rock climbing and mountain biking and
• 40:51
  then eventually got into bodybuilding and that became
• 40:53
  more of like a primary, like physical pursuit, physical
• 40:56
  outlet. And there was like a thread to
• 40:59
  that. There was a soundtrack to that
• 41:00
  the whole time. And that soundtrack was hardcore
• 41:03
  and punk rock music and a little bit of metal, but mostly
• 41:05
  hardcore and punk rock. There was just, you know, I
• 41:07
  listened to like when I was really young, I listened to
• 41:09
  like, you know, the classic awesome, you know, metal rock
• 41:13
  bands, ACDC, Sabbath and Motörhead, stuff like that.
• 41:16
  Still love all those bands. They have a Motörhead tattoo.
• 41:18
  But when I first started to hear him like the raw, like visceral,
• 41:22
  kind of like truth seeking Agony that came out of bands like
• 41:25
  Black Flag or like Subhumans or Murphy's Law to New York City or
• 41:30
  Gnostic front or I'm a victim in pain.
• 41:32
  Like that stuff just gripped me so much.
• 41:34
  It was like that was like that was like the the soul on fire
• 41:37
  inside me. That was that was yearning to be
• 41:38
  expressed. And so that that still carries
• 41:41
  with me today. You know, that's from like
• 41:43
  whatever age like 13 to 52. I still listen to a lot of that
• 41:46
  same music and the upgraded stuff of the new scene, you
• 41:49
  know, and, and I found a way or I found the connection and
• 41:53
  through line from that spirit, that punk rock ethos of, of, of
• 41:57
  circumventing gatekeepers and finding a way to do the things
• 42:00
  you want to do in the world. I found that in
• 42:02
  entrepreneurialism. I I found that, you know, and in
• 42:08
  in a lot of other areas that I think it carries through and
• 42:12
  it's just that overall like independence mindset and it's
• 42:15
  the ready fire aim and it's the DIY and like that's how I pursue
• 42:20
  my creative pursuits. That's how this book came about.
• 42:22
  Like, Oh, OK, I don't need to find a publisher.
• 42:25
  I'm going to work with a self-publishing team that can
• 42:27
  assist me and find a way to do it very professionally and own
• 42:30
  the rights and do it that way. Oh well, you know what?
• 42:33
  I want to be in the music industry and I'm in front of a
• 42:35
  job. I'm going to start a record
• 42:35
  label first. Just went out, you know, put my
• 42:37
  balls on the table and figured it out.
• 42:39
  Like when I want to do something, I'm just going to
• 42:41
  find a way to do it. Even often times, if I know I'm
• 42:44
  almost intentionally going to make my life harder and more
• 42:46
  risky by doing it. But in the end, in the end, it's
• 42:50
  like you're killing that future, future regret.
• 42:52
  I'm not going to be on my deathbed and go, man, I should
• 42:54
  have tried this. Why?
• 42:55
  Why didn't I do that? Yeah, it might have been risky,
• 42:57
  but I should at least give it a shot.
• 42:59
  Like, that's not going to happen.
• 43:00
  Because when I want to do something, I'm going to do it.
• 43:02
  And if it works out, great. If it doesn't, I'm going to
• 43:04
  learn a lot. You're either winning or
• 43:05
  learning and both of those are good.
• 43:08
  So you just got to learn, right? And that's kind of what this
• 43:10
  book is about. It's how how to learn about
• 43:11
  failure correctly. So you metabolize it and turn it
• 43:14
  into something good and learn how to shift and find something
• 43:16
  good in the rubble and create something new again out of it.
• 43:19
  You know, that's kind of what it's about.
• 43:22
  So let's get back to you said that you know you had the first
• 43:30
  wife, the second wife. I just want to touch on it
• 43:33
  because people are probably saying damn this guy got three
• 43:36
  girlfriends, 2 wives, whatever. No, no, we're divorced.
• 43:40
  I have one girlfriend. Let's go back to your first wife
• 43:44
  and what she thought about what you did and maxed out everything
• 43:48
  and everything else. Yeah.
• 43:51
  Well, I mean, it was early on in the marriage.
• 43:52
  We were in our 20s, so I think there was a lot of trust there.
• 43:54
  She knew as a hard worker that even if things didn't work out,
• 43:57
  I was going to keep finding ways to make them work out.
• 43:59
  And that was the case for most of the time.
• 44:01
  But there was like this, you know, critical point of like,
• 44:05
  you know, tension that just broke the relationship at one
• 44:07
  point. And it wasn't around the record
• 44:09
  labels at that time. It was later to run another
• 44:11
  business working online lending. And, you know, there was just,
• 44:14
  and we had three kids at the time.
• 44:16
  And, you know, our lifestyle had swelled and, you know, things
• 44:19
  had swelled. And there was like this chasm
• 44:21
  between me working all the time so that she can stay home with
• 44:24
  the kids. And I think there was this chasm
• 44:26
  between like the mentalities, right?
• 44:28
  Like we grew apart because we had such different lives.
• 44:31
  She wasn't experiencing the complexity of of contending with
• 44:35
  the world and the way that I was, and I wasn't experiencing
• 44:37
  the complexity of being home with children and raising
• 44:40
  children the way she was. So it's hard to even talk to her
• 44:43
  at night and vice versa. It's hard for her to talk to me.
• 44:45
  Like we didn't understand each other.
• 44:47
  And I'm not even making a judgement on that either way,
• 44:51
  But that was just a reality. And I think that ultimately just
• 44:53
  led to us splitting up, you know, but and and I think in the
• 44:58
  end, she, yeah, I'm sure resented that I wasn't just
• 45:03
  going to conform, go find a normal job, a clock in whether I
• 45:07
  was miserable or not and do and and just do that.
• 45:10
  Ultimately I I had to at certain time and that now I've had AW
• 45:13
  two job for over 13 years, but it's a high end professional job
• 45:16
  in banking. But I had to go through all the
• 45:19
  things I went through to even be qualified to do that.
• 45:22
  I had to start my own stuff and learn on my own and fail a bunch
• 45:24
  of time to even have the wisdom and the experience to get the
• 45:27
  job I have now. I wouldn't have been able to
• 45:29
  even get a job like that back then.
• 45:31
  I had an English degree. I was going to get a high end
• 45:33
  job and finance. I had to go start my own lending
• 45:35
  company on my own with before I can get that job, you know?
• 45:40
  So it's just the way that my calling journey unfolded.
• 45:44
  So see, that's like me and my wife.
• 45:47
  We're together 30 years and we've had our downfalls, we've
• 45:53
  had our in and outs. 30 years, That's cool.
• 45:56
  I've wanted to get a divorce. And then I'm like, what the fuck
• 45:59
  are you doing? That stupid?
• 46:01
  She's been with you this long. Let's keep it going.
• 46:03
  And I'm going to tell you, bro, it's hard and it's hard in New
• 46:06
  York. It really is.
• 46:08
  I'm retired. I retired two years ago.
• 46:11
  So it's a hard job. It really is.
• 46:14
  To be retired and have my wife work my son work, you know, and,
• 46:20
  and like you, my wife is our big supporter.
• 46:25
  Like when we started our cigars, she's like Joey's like dad, I'm
• 46:30
  going to go show mom. I said, OK, my wife goes, why
• 46:32
  don't you do this rather than put it like this?
• 46:36
  And I'm like, OK, not a bad thing.
• 46:40
  And you know, your wife has to support you in what you do in
• 46:45
  order to make it to where you want to be and where you want to
• 46:49
  bring your family. If you don't bring your wife and
• 46:52
  your kids, then I don't know what to say because my wife and
• 46:57
  my kids are with me all the way. And yes, I had AI had three
• 47:02
  strokes in February. My wife and my daughters are my
• 47:07
  wife and my daughter. My son get a little nervous
• 47:11
  because there's days when I forget what I'm doing.
• 47:13
  And Joe is like, dad, we got to do this.
• 47:15
  I'm like, but we just, he said, no, we didn't do that yet.
• 47:18
  We're going to do it now. So yes, I understand exactly
• 47:21
  what you're saying. And that is why I wanted you on
• 47:25
  here because you have your book is something that people should
• 47:31
  really, really read because I love your book.
• 47:36
  And it's, it's something that if you're going to start a business
• 47:41
  or you want to start something new, your book is something to
• 47:45
  read because you held it down with what you're doing.
• 47:52
  And I don't know if you're still doing the banking thing or
• 47:55
  whatever, but God bless you, brother, because you are holding
• 48:01
  it down right now. And I see you're in the gym.
• 48:06
  I see how big you are. And you know, people don't
• 48:10
  realize you're a big guy, you're approachable.
• 48:15
  And that's all I got to say is like, Andrew thought King is a
• 48:21
  cool dude. I love him to death.
• 48:24
  And it is what it is. Like, if you ain't read his
• 48:28
  book, failure rules. You need to get that book
• 48:32
  honest. You need to get that book
• 48:34
  because that book is the bomb. You know, Andrew, you're you,
• 48:39
  your personal situation exemplifies the book in in in
• 48:45
  one aspect. Well, in many aspects, but in
• 48:48
  the particular aspect that you're talking about your
• 48:51
  dissolved marriages. I learned, I'm divorced.
• 48:56
  I, you know, it's a learning experience.
• 48:58
  You learn from it. And that's the only way we
• 49:01
  evolve as human beings, not just as men, but as human beings.
• 49:04
  In my situation, I listen, I I was very outspoken to in my
• 49:09
  first marriage and I I should have been a little more
• 49:12
  reserved. I should have listened more.
• 49:15
  I should have complied more. I'm not saying be a subservient
• 49:21
  husband. I mean, what I'm saying is it,
• 49:24
  you know, in a marriage is give and take.
• 49:27
  What I've learned through that in several different
• 49:30
  relationships with my current life is that I have got probably
• 49:36
  my most my best friend of all time.
• 49:39
  I married my best friend and I've for the first time in my
• 49:43
  life, I experienced loyalty coming back to me.
• 49:47
  This woman will live for me and will die for me and vice versa.
• 49:52
  And I have learned that how to listen, how to take her advice,
• 49:58
  how to accept when I'm wrong and admit that I'm wrong.
• 50:01
  Men don't like to do that. Got we all don't like to do
• 50:04
  that. No one wants to be wrong.
• 50:06
  But I had to learn that. My point is I had to learn that
• 50:09
  through previous relationships. All of my journey got me to this
• 50:14
  relationship, into this marriage.
• 50:17
  And I got to be honest with you, Andrew, we have not fought
• 50:22
  since. We've been together for six
• 50:24
  years, married 5. We've not fought one.
• 50:26
  Wow. That's awesome.
• 50:28
  We do get upset at each other, but we both learned just to shut
• 50:32
  our mouth, walk away and don't go to bed angry.
• 50:37
  Like by the time it's time to go to bed, water under the bridge,
• 50:41
  move on like it's gone. And there, you know, we, we've,
• 50:46
  I've learned from my previous relationships how I need to
• 50:51
  improve my character, not only for my wife, but for my children
• 50:56
  and for my coworkers and for my friends.
• 50:58
  And I've learned that. And I think you just exemplified
• 51:01
  that aspect of your book and how this book applies to personal
• 51:07
  relationships, to entrepreneurship, to business
• 51:10
  relationships, to, you know, just everyday, you know, friends
• 51:15
  and, and whatever. This book is a great guide.
• 51:19
  And again, people don't have to read it cover to cover.
• 51:21
  I have not. I've read every chapter, but
• 51:24
  I've not read it cover to cover. I have bounced around to
• 51:28
  something that I find applicable.
• 51:30
  I'll put it down. I won't pick it up for two
• 51:32
  months. Something will happen.
• 51:34
  I'll go. I got to jump in that book.
• 51:35
  There's something in there that's going to help me in this
• 51:37
  situation and I'll jump into the book and the highlighter comes
• 51:40
  out. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the
• 51:44
  way I wrote it. I wrote it so that it keep it
• 51:45
  was like snackable. You know, you can pick up any
• 51:47
  part, any chapter you can read and it has a beginning, middle
• 51:50
  and end and you can get something out of chapter even if
• 51:52
  you haven't read the book in sequence.
• 51:53
  And that that was the idea. And there's enough Nuggets in
• 51:56
  there from quotes and and and whatnot that you can get little
• 51:59
  pieces of hopeful wisdom on the fly as you need it.
• 52:04
  What catches your eye and and, you know, relates to your
• 52:07
  current situation or mindset issue, you know, but yeah, I
• 52:12
  mean, everything you're saying makes a lot of sense and it it
• 52:14
  does align with the book. I mean, I tried to write it in
• 52:16
  such a way where it's like, I think even in the introduction I
• 52:18
  said like, look, I could change my mind on this stuff three
• 52:21
  years from now. I'm still learning, I'm
• 52:23
  evolving. This is not like some self help
• 52:25
  book where I say I have all the answers.
• 52:26
  I know I don't have all the answers.
• 52:27
  It's the old saying of like, as the, you know, island of my
• 52:31
  knowledge grows, so does the shore of my ignorance, you know,
• 52:33
  and it's like, look, I'm just writing what I think I've
• 52:36
  learned now, right? And hopefully, you know, you can
• 52:39
  cherry pick what works for you and what makes sense.
• 52:41
  If not, no worries, right? Like this is like me saying, I
• 52:45
  know all these truths, but I felt like I stumbled upon some
• 52:48
  truths that might be useful to others.
• 52:49
  And that's why I wrote the book, you know, And like the
• 52:52
  relationship thing. My, my second wife, we got
• 52:55
  divorced, but we're still like forever friends.
• 52:57
  We even joked like, Hey, we should make our divorce
• 52:59
  agreement called the forever friend agreement because we just
• 53:03
  felt that we just felt like, you know what, we, we probably
• 53:05
  should be married. There's a variety of reasons for
• 53:07
  that, but that we we still respected each other and we felt
• 53:11
  like we loved each other better than we found each other.
• 53:14
  You know, now I've been with a woman for three years.
• 53:16
  That's probably a better match for me as like a romantic
• 53:18
  partner or, you know, or as a, you know, intimate partner.
• 53:22
  But I'm still friends with my ex-wife and she's still
• 53:23
  important in my life, you know, in, in a lot of ways.
• 53:26
  And we, you know, you say like we always say, like, you know,
• 53:28
  it's unconventional, but we judge our relationship by its
• 53:31
  depth, not its length. You know, it had a season and,
• 53:35
  you know, marriage by design is supposed to be forever.
• 53:37
  And we get that it just turned out that one wasn't going to be
• 53:40
  forever. So what do we do?
• 53:42
  We figure out, OK, well, what is it?
• 53:44
  What is good in this, how we preserve that right?
• 53:46
  And so that that's what happened.
• 53:47
  And I'm great. I'm grateful because now I'm
• 53:49
  with a a woman that, you know, we're very much aligned on what
• 53:53
  we want our relationship to be and how we want it to function,
• 53:55
  how we want it to look. And like you, there's been no
• 53:57
  fighting at all. And it's been, you know, almost
• 53:59
  three years. So it just gets better, you
• 54:02
  know, week to week. So.
• 54:03
  So let me ask you this question. Well, hold that thought for a
• 54:08
  while. We got to take a break, we'll be
• 54:11
  right back but turn fuckers in stogie spot.
• 58:22
  Yo-yo, yo, what is up? What is up?
• 58:24
  Yo, it's turnbuckles and story spot.
• 58:26
  I am the big dog. We got the vanilla gorilla, we
• 58:29
  got the OG, and we got the guest of the week, Andrew Thorpe King.
• 58:34
  So Andrew, I got to ask my brother because we're sitting
• 58:39
  here and I'm looking at you and I'm trying to figure this out
• 58:44
  because bro, you're covered from head to toe and tattoo.
• 58:49
  What the hell it's going on there?
• 58:54
  Oh, yeah, yeah. I didn't cover that part.
• 58:56
  I think I knew when I was 12 year old, 12 years old, before,
• 58:59
  like, tattoos were even, like, acceptable in any way, shape or
• 59:01
  form that I wanted to be covered.
• 59:03
  And I remember when I got my first one at 16.
• 59:06
  People are like, oh, you're going to get addicted.
• 59:07
  I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm going to be on a very
• 59:09
  strategic plan of the course of my life, make it a symbolic road
• 59:14
  map of everything I care about throughout the course of my
• 59:16
  life. And that's exactly what I've
• 59:17
  done. It doesn't mean every tattoo is
• 59:19
  carried with some sort of deep meaning.
• 59:21
  Some are just bad ass looking and just reflect some portion of
• 59:25
  my spirit. But a lot of them do have a lot
• 59:27
  of meaning, you know, And even besides all that, just from like
• 59:30
  an artistic standpoint, I've always had, I've had a deep
• 59:33
  affinity for the bold, symmetrical, colorful kind of
• 59:37
  style, traditional tattooing, the gold sailor dairy stuff, and
• 59:40
  you know, all of that. So it's just been a passion of
• 59:42
  mine and it's still undying. I'm 52, I haven't gotten any
• 59:47
  tattoos for a couple of years because I had one whole year
• 59:49
  where I was there every month getting my whole back done.
• 59:52
  And so I'm taking a little time off, but I already have my plan
• 59:55
  for what I'm doing next. So it's just like I'll be
• 59:57
  getting tattooed in into my 60s and 70s.
• 1:00:00
  I'm sure it's just my favorite things.
• 1:00:04
  Let me ask, he said. 67. So I'm younger than I am.
• 1:00:10
  I'm the oldest guy on here right now.
• 1:00:12
  I won't ask your age. You don't have to reveal that.
• 1:00:15
  56 I'll be 50. Seven.
• 1:00:17
  I'm 52. I ain't far behind there, Big
• 1:00:19
  dog. Yeah, you're not far ahead.
• 1:00:24
  So ain't that old? My thing is this, when you sit
• 1:00:30
  down with your artist and you give him an idea, because I gave
• 1:00:36
  an artist an idea for I forget which tattoo.
• 1:00:43
  Oh, I think it was this one. I gave him an idea and I said
• 1:00:52
  this is what I want and I want this one on the radio.
• 1:00:55
  Shout out to K1O47. So I gave him an idea of what I
• 1:00:59
  wanted and he goes, give me like 20 minutes.
• 1:01:05
  He came back and I said I actually like that.
• 1:01:09
  I like that that work. He goes, you want it?
• 1:01:11
  I said, yeah, it's the only tattoo.
• 1:01:15
  Yeah, yeah. Custom.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah, yeah. So people don't realize guys
• 1:01:23
  with tattoos, everybody thinks guys with tattoos are badass.
• 1:01:28
  Listen, I'm the sweetest guy you'll ever meet.
• 1:01:32
  Sorry that slipped out man, my bad.
• 1:01:36
  I love your brother. Listen, Ogia tell you people
• 1:01:39
  think I'm an asshole. I'm this.
• 1:01:41
  I'm not you. Definitely.
• 1:01:42
  Are I am an asshole, I live the asshole life.
• 1:01:46
  Listen, I live the asshole life. But my thing is, and Ogea will
• 1:01:52
  tell you I am the most sweetest dude you'll ever meet.
• 1:01:57
  You come over to me. You want to talk, you want to
• 1:02:00
  hang out, you want to smoke a stick, that's cool.
• 1:02:04
  But don't screw me over, because the minute you screw me over,
• 1:02:08
  I'm screwing you back and it's going to be 110% more.
• 1:02:13
  Yeah. You know so.
• 1:02:19
  What? What are you smoking, right?
• 1:02:21
  Now, right? This is the Espinoza La Bamba
• 1:02:27
  Six O 1, Warhead 2. Show them the ashtray we got.
• 1:02:31
  Well, it's not an ashtray, but look at the ashtray we picked up
• 1:02:34
  on Saturday, box that that comes.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a bad ass box.
• 1:02:38
  I love, I love the graphics on that.
• 1:02:40
  I I took it from the smoke shop we went to.
• 1:02:43
  He the Johnny told me to take it so I figured since it's closed
• 1:02:49
  and it's solid at the bottom I now have a bad ass ass crack.
• 1:02:53
  Yeah, why not? That's perfect, man.
• 1:02:55
  Stand it right? Now that was a intended multi
• 1:02:58
  purpose. Yeah, they didn't know.
• 1:03:02
  So what shops do you go to where you live and do when you go
• 1:03:09
  there and I'm not being funny or nothing, do people actually come
• 1:03:14
  and sit down and speak with you about your book?
• 1:03:17
  Do they know that you wrote a book?
• 1:03:19
  How does that work? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:21
  So a lot of shops around here, you know, Philly area, Jersey,
• 1:03:26
  Delaware, a lot of shops, cool shops in Delaware.
• 1:03:30
  A lot of them are kind of like it's sexual.
• 1:03:34
  I'm being like dudes from Delaware, I'll come to the shops
• 1:03:36
  in Delco. Dudes from Delco go to the shops
• 1:03:38
  in Delaware, vice versa. Like they all hang out at all
• 1:03:40
  the different shops. There's maybe six or seven of
• 1:03:42
  them. And so we all kind of know each
• 1:03:44
  other. Where I live now, I can walk to
• 1:03:46
  cigar lounge. I hardly even drive anymore.
• 1:03:48
  I work from home. I can walk to cigar lounge.
• 1:03:50
  I only drive to the gym unless I'm going somewhere.
• 1:03:52
  It's, it's great. You know, I got my hot tub here.
• 1:03:55
  I can walk to the cigar lounge. I live right in a town with this
• 1:03:59
  bunch of killer restaurants within walking distance.
• 1:04:00
  So like my life is very localized now and I love it.
• 1:04:03
  It's a lot of people go to the cigar lounge that I, I, I go to,
• 1:04:06
  which is pairings and Jimmy Boy from Great cigars.
• 1:04:10
  His fiance is the assistant manager there.
• 1:04:14
  So yeah. And then my friend Rami, who
• 1:04:16
  works for Espinoza, his wife works there too.
• 1:04:19
  So it's like this whole family kind of ori or family kind of,
• 1:04:22
  you know, sea, I guess you know what I mean.
• 1:04:25
  So that's like my probably meant my home shot or my member.
• 1:04:28
  But then there's a lot of other great ones like wooden Indians
• 1:04:30
  on the great one. We're having the the 10th
• 1:04:32
  anniversary of the great cigars podcast there in August, and
• 1:04:36
  we'll be doing a lot of podcasts.
• 1:04:37
  I'll be selling books. So like they, they all know
• 1:04:39
  because I I've done events at all the shops around here.
• 1:04:43
  So. You know, signing books and and
• 1:04:44
  talking about the book and doing live podcasts.
• 1:04:46
  On Let me ask You about Jimmy, because that's one of your best
• 1:04:50
  friends. I love Jimmy to death, but when
• 1:04:57
  you go to a cigar lounge, there's no reason to carry your
• 1:05:02
  handcuffs. There's no reason to carry your
• 1:05:07
  handcuffs or you're shooting with you.
• 1:05:09
  You're not going to arrest. You get PTSD, you're.
• 1:05:14
  Not going there. You're not going there to arrest
• 1:05:17
  nobody, you're going there to have a good time and hang out
• 1:05:19
  and smoke. And I love Jimmy, but yeah,
• 1:05:22
  yeah, Jimmy has the attitude of I'm a cop and you're a criminal.
• 1:05:28
  I don't know about the second part.
• 1:05:30
  I don't think he thinks everybody's a criminal.
• 1:05:31
  He just loves being a cop. His dad was a cop, his
• 1:05:33
  grandfather was a cop, and he lives there.
• 1:05:36
  I mean, you see this mustache dude?
• 1:05:37
  He is like he's born with that cop mustache.
• 1:05:39
  I think but what I'm saying. Out of the womb with that
• 1:05:41
  fucking thing. Wait.
• 1:05:42
  Correct me, correct me if I'm wrong, Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:05:46
  Me and Joey have my my cousin was a cop.
• 1:05:49
  My cousin retired. I have friends that are cops.
• 1:05:52
  When they go to lounges, they don't even carry their cuffs.
• 1:05:55
  They don't. They leave their gun in the car.
• 1:05:57
  When you go to a cigar lounge, you leave your gun in the car.
• 1:05:59
  There's no reason to carry a gun with you, you understand?
• 1:06:04
  First of all, you never know. Second of all, I understand your
• 1:06:08
  trepidation. Third of all, man, it's just
• 1:06:10
  intertwined with his identity, man.
• 1:06:11
  I mean, it's just, you know, it's just, I mean, you go to a
• 1:06:15
  cigar lounge, you're still going to talk about wrestling, You're
• 1:06:17
  still going to consider yourself a wrestling aficionado.
• 1:06:20
  He goes, he's still Jimmy the cop, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:23
  So I think it's just intertwined.
• 1:06:24
  He can't separate, you know it is.
• 1:06:26
  True. It is true, you can't turn off
• 1:06:27
  the cop. You can't turn off the cop.
• 1:06:29
  You know, I remember we were, that we were doing an, we were
• 1:06:33
  doing an event in Dallas, TX and cigar lounge podcast and book
• 1:06:38
  signing and everything. And we're there the the host who
• 1:06:42
  hooked us up with the event sitting there.
• 1:06:44
  And all the sudden he's like, hey, man, you want some
• 1:06:46
  mushrooms? Jimmy's like, you remember I'm a
• 1:06:48
  fucking cop, right? Like, what are you doing?
• 1:06:49
  I'm like come. On Yeah, but what does that
• 1:06:52
  mean? So what, You're a cop?
• 1:06:54
  So take the fucking mushroom. He wanted the mushrooms.
• 1:06:58
  He's not that kind of dude, you know, He sticks to the basic
• 1:07:01
  vices like I do caffeine, nicotine and alcohol.
• 1:07:03
  But you know, it was just funny. It was a funny moment.
• 1:07:05
  No, that, that is kind of funny though.
• 1:07:07
  But it's like, I guess to them, it's like, you know, we're at
• 1:07:10
  the lounge, we're here to hang out.
• 1:07:11
  Like everybody has their own thing.
• 1:07:14
  They were just being nice to offer it to you.
• 1:07:16
  He was. He was.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah. He laughed.
• 1:07:19
  He didn't take offense, though. He just thought it was funny.
• 1:07:20
  Right? Like.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah, it was. That's actually that is.
• 1:07:23
  Pretty funny though, so. That same night I was in the, I
• 1:07:27
  was in the humidor and another guy who was talking about that
• 1:07:29
  book, he has much questions or whatever and he hadn't bought 1
• 1:07:32
  yet. And this is the first time I, I
• 1:07:35
  heard this proposition for a very unique payment type for
• 1:07:38
  buying my book. Usually it's Hey, Venmo cash,
• 1:07:40
  you know, whatever. And he's like, hey man, can I
• 1:07:42
  give you something an equal compensation for your book?
• 1:07:44
  I'm like, what are you going to do some cigars?
• 1:07:46
  Sure, you're going to do some cigars.
• 1:07:48
  We can do that. He's like, Nah man, give me a
• 1:07:51
  bump for the book. I'm like, Nah, dude, I don't.
• 1:07:52
  I don't do coke, so I don't accept cocaine as payment for my
• 1:07:56
  literature. You.
• 1:07:57
  Know what I mean? Like bump for a book.
• 1:07:59
  It's not on my website that you can send me a bag of coke for
• 1:08:02
  for the book. You know that's it's not an
• 1:08:04
  acceptable payment type you. Know so so so Andrew, I have AI,
• 1:08:07
  have AI have a Frankie. That's not unheard of.
• 1:08:10
  I have a bump here so me and Joey's going to send you a
• 1:08:14
  couple of pictures. Can I get another book?
• 1:08:17
  A couple of pictures. What do you mean?
• 1:08:20
  Bro, you're going to be a few bucks short.
• 1:08:21
  You're going to be a few bucks short though.
• 1:08:24
  I'll be a few bucks short but it's OK, I can get a book.
• 1:08:28
  Throw a bag of coke in there and we're good.
• 1:08:30
  No problem. That's.
• 1:08:33
  An interesting that's most interesting thing I've heard.
• 1:08:37
  Try to pay for something. Yeah, I was like, yeah, hey, you
• 1:08:41
  know, I think I'm going to change my website tomorrow, pay
• 1:08:43
  for the book through Amazon, Venmo or a bag of Coke.
• 1:08:46
  I mean, whatever, you know, what have you got?
• 1:08:48
  Go for the bar system. But here I got a little spoon
• 1:08:51
  that comes with it too. It's not so.
• 1:08:55
  Tell us and OG, correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:08:59
  Tell us about some stories in your book that the viewers want
• 1:09:07
  to hear, not me and OG, because we read it, Joey, read it.
• 1:09:12
  Tell us about a few spots that you know in your book that can
• 1:09:16
  maybe and hopefully help somebody change their life.
• 1:09:23
  You're asking me not OG, right? I'm asking you, I said.
• 1:09:26
  OG knows, but I want you to tell.
• 1:09:29
  Yeah, I mean, so they're stories that are personal, like, you
• 1:09:33
  know, it's very revelatory and and disclose a lot of somewhat
• 1:09:37
  vulnerable things, you know, if it believes it leads.
• 1:09:40
  But then there's a whole bunch of case studies too, trying to
• 1:09:44
  think of one that's really kind of poignant, that really means a
• 1:09:46
  lot to me. You know what I'll tell you one,
• 1:09:48
  this one where I talk about the season where within the span of
• 1:09:53
  like a month or two, I don't remember the exact time, but
• 1:09:55
  within a couple months, I, I, I went through a business divorce
• 1:09:58
  and a marital divorce. So 2, like twin failures.
• 1:10:01
  You know, the two biggest areas of 1's life is the work and the
• 1:10:04
  relationship. And both of those split at the
• 1:10:07
  same time, right? So all of a sudden I found my, I
• 1:10:09
  found myself, you know, going from being, you know, having a
• 1:10:13
  home to go to at night, you know, office to go to by day and
• 1:10:15
  a home to go to by night. And all of a sudden I didn't,
• 1:10:18
  all of a sudden it was like neither of those existed.
• 1:10:20
  I'm in a hotel room and I'm trying to figure out what I'm
• 1:10:24
  going to do with this empty space now in my life.
• 1:10:27
  And you know, I could have like embraced despair.
• 1:10:31
  I could have embraced pessimism and negativity.
• 1:10:33
  I could have focused on all the changes and disruption.
• 1:10:36
  But instead, like, it's actually when like my, my idea engine
• 1:10:39
  revved up and five new things in my life started that ended up
• 1:10:43
  being successful at various timelines in various degrees.
• 1:10:46
  I started the manuscript and failure rules in that space.
• 1:10:49
  I finished my first spy novel in that space.
• 1:10:52
  I resurrected my record labels and released 5 or 6 records.
• 1:10:55
  I started a lead generation company after I started
• 1:11:00
  consulting business in the lending space, then a lead
• 1:11:02
  generation company and I redid my resume in such a way to get
• 1:11:05
  my first job, corporate job in fintech, financial technology.
• 1:11:09
  So like 5 amazing things all happened in that empty space
• 1:11:12
  where a lot of people would have been like, Oh my life's over, my
• 1:11:15
  marriage is over and my my one business I'm no longer in and
• 1:11:20
  everything falling apart blah blah blah.
• 1:11:21
  But I saw, OK, everything's falling apart.
• 1:11:23
  That means everything's wide, wide open.
• 1:11:24
  When everything's wide open, I can come up with a whole bunch
• 1:11:27
  of new ideas and see what works. And those five things all kind
• 1:11:30
  of bore some sort of fruit over some sort of time.
• 1:11:33
  And you know, a lot of that was like the backdrop to that is
• 1:11:37
  there was a song by the band Apri called Divinity of Purpose.
• 1:11:40
  And he talks about like being having your feet close to the
• 1:11:43
  ledge, get ready to jump off. I'm paraphrasing.
• 1:11:45
  But then you back off and you realize the purpose inside and
• 1:11:48
  the divinity of that. And you crash into that spirit,
• 1:11:51
  you invoke that, you make shit happen.
• 1:11:53
  And that song was like the soundtrack to that season in my
• 1:11:56
  life. And years later now, like all
• 1:11:58
  those threads are still humming at various speeds.
• 1:12:01
  You know, so like to me that that that's like one of the most
• 1:12:05
  personal personally important pivotal times in my life that I
• 1:12:08
  write about in the book. I, I can't remember if that's
• 1:12:12
  three or four, if that's rule 3 or 4, but it's one of those two,
• 1:12:14
  four. I think I do, I think it was in
• 1:12:17
  four. Yeah, it was 3/3 or 4.
• 1:12:20
  But so we're talking about what you were smoking in Espinoza,
• 1:12:23
  correct? Yeah, the six O 1.
• 1:12:25
  So I, I right around this time on the show, I always ask this
• 1:12:28
  over guests. So I'm going to rephrase this a
• 1:12:31
  little bit because people tell me they don't like the word
• 1:12:34
  favorite when I say what's your favorite cigar?
• 1:12:38
  So. There's like it's hard to put
• 1:12:40
  on, so I'll rephrase that. And that's and that's what I
• 1:12:44
  hear right, right. And it's a moving target.
• 1:12:47
  But what's your so three questions actually 4 I'm going
• 1:12:50
  to ask 3 and the 4th I'm going to ask separate.
• 1:12:52
  So the first one is what's your go to cigar?
• 1:12:56
  The 1:00 you got to have in your humidor your go to cigar.
• 1:13:01
  Right right now, like I have, I, I buy stash every couple of
• 1:13:04
  weeks, 3040 cigars and it's a mix of foundation, Tataway, my
• 1:13:11
  father, and then I throw in some other stuff here and there.
• 1:13:15
  But lately I've been loving, I mean the Espinoza and I'm biased
• 1:13:18
  because Romney works for them and he's my buddy.
• 1:13:20
  But out of all the companies he's worked for, like they have
• 1:13:23
  the, they have the widest selection of cigars where I like
• 1:13:26
  all of them, but there's like 3 or 4 that I love.
• 1:13:28
  I love the. Six and one green.
• 1:13:30
  Yeah, I love the six O 1 green. I love the the crema in the
• 1:13:33
  morning lighter one with the coffee and the knuckle sandwich.
• 1:13:38
  Connecticut is great too, and I love the Loranga Loranga and the
• 1:13:42
  Herbano. So they just I know I love the
• 1:13:46
  Espinoza lately, but also I love the my father blue.
• 1:13:49
  I love I love them actually my father, my favorite.
• 1:13:51
  My father is the the Fonseca, the Mexican one Mexican blend
• 1:13:56
  that's my favorite. Second, yeah.
• 1:13:58
  That is fucking dope. Fonseca Yeah 6.
• 1:14:00
  Dollars Cigar. Mine, mine's the judge out of
• 1:14:03
  that line. My favorite's a judge in the
• 1:14:05
  blue. Those are my 2 top on on those.
• 1:14:08
  So #2 so #2 is your go to whiskey or bourbon that when
• 1:14:15
  you're you're deliberating, I don't know what I want and you
• 1:14:18
  go pick a restaurant or bar. You say you know what do you
• 1:14:21
  have if I if? I can't think of something
• 1:14:25
  specific. It's always like, just give me
• 1:14:27
  Woodford Reserve, give me Knob Creek, you know, nothing
• 1:14:30
  special. Just give me that.
• 1:14:31
  Like everybody. It reminds me of like the, the,
• 1:14:34
  the episode of what was it? It's Billy Bob Thornton in, in
• 1:14:38
  Goliath when he's at the bar and they're like, yeah, once it was
• 1:14:42
  Drake. He's like, I'll have some
• 1:14:44
  bourbon. Like what kind would you like?
• 1:14:45
  He's like, I don't really give a shit.
• 1:14:46
  Just give me a bourbon. Make sure it's brown.
• 1:14:48
  You know what I mean? Like sometimes I'm just in that
• 1:14:50
  mode, like, yeah, it's brown. It's brown, right?
• 1:14:52
  It's not shit. It's not.
• 1:14:53
  As long as it's not, well, just give me some fucking bourbon.
• 1:14:55
  You know what I mean? So let me ask you that.
• 1:14:57
  Question, let me ask you the question before OG gets to it.
• 1:15:00
  So when you when you go and you say give me some whisk and they
• 1:15:06
  say, well, we don't have Woodford, we don't have this.
• 1:15:09
  What about Jack Daniels? Hello.
• 1:15:12
  Jack, Jack Daniels is good. I like it, particularly because
• 1:15:15
  it is like the personified whiskey of Lemmy Kilnister,
• 1:15:19
  Motörhead. I mean, him and Jack Daniels are
• 1:15:21
  like, they're like the same thing, you know?
• 1:15:22
  I think he's probably buried in a couple bottles of, In fact,
• 1:15:25
  when I went to the Punk Rock Museum and I saw the shrine for
• 1:15:27
  Lemmy Kilnister or Motörhead, there was like a bottle of Jack
• 1:15:29
  there. I'm pretty sure.
• 1:15:30
  I'm not. I'm not totally sure, but I'm
• 1:15:31
  pretty sure, you know. So yeah, Jack Daniels, certainly
• 1:15:34
  characters with it, all kinds of thematic and symbolic power.
• 1:15:37
  Absolutely. Yeah, I like Woodford Reserve,
• 1:15:40
  specifically the double Oak Reserve.
• 1:15:45
  It's it's 115.9 proof, but it's smooth as glass.
• 1:15:50
  It is that that's my favor. I will put it down as my that's
• 1:15:54
  my all time favorite and #3 is you're at a restaurant, your go
• 1:15:59
  to food, you're looking at the menu, You're just like, I can't
• 1:16:03
  decide. Just give me a what?
• 1:16:07
  Well, I mean, I'm from Philly, dude, so a good, a good cheese
• 1:16:10
  steak, man. Just keeping simple around here.
• 1:16:13
  Like there's a, there's a Mediterranean restaurant I go
• 1:16:15
  through up the street Mediterranean and the
• 1:16:17
  Mediterranean food is banging, dude.
• 1:16:19
  The lamb is amazing. Everything's freaking great.
• 1:16:21
  But they also serve cheese steaks.
• 1:16:22
  And a lot of times I go to a Mediterranean restaurant because
• 1:16:25
  they have a great fucking cheese steak they just give me.
• 1:16:26
  The cheese, you know what I mean?
• 1:16:28
  So, yeah, yeah. So this is the fourth and this
• 1:16:31
  is my favorite question. The 4th is my favorite question
• 1:16:33
  I ask everybody that comes on. You get one hour uninterrupted,
• 1:16:39
  no phone calls, no one coming into the room, and you can sit
• 1:16:44
  with one person and have a cigar and a conversation for
• 1:16:47
  uninterrupted one hour time past, present or future.
• 1:16:52
  Who would Andrew Thorpe King sit down in that hour and have a
• 1:16:57
  cigar with? Is this like a wish list?
• 1:16:59
  Somebody not already in my life? Somebody that I wish I could
• 1:17:01
  have. Yeah, anybody.
• 1:17:03
  Anybody. Past, present or future, We've
• 1:17:06
  had great responses, too, from a lot of different people that
• 1:17:10
  really blew your mind at times. Like, oh, I didn't expect that.
• 1:17:13
  You know, I oh, wow. OK, that was out of the blue.
• 1:17:16
  What's his name? Rick?
• 1:17:18
  Rick Rodriguez. He said Ronald Reagan.
• 1:17:21
  I didn't see that one coming. No, that was but he said Ronald
• 1:17:24
  Reagan. Oh.
• 1:17:25
  No, that's. Ronald.
• 1:17:27
  Reagan Yes, yes, Wow. I have a reflexive answer, which
• 1:17:32
  is just summon the ghost of Lemmy, kill Mr. Let me sit with
• 1:17:35
  him for now because that'd be amazing.
• 1:17:37
  So I'd probably want to talk to Lemmy and get blasted with Lemmy
• 1:17:40
  in the middle of the day. Like not even it has to be day
• 1:17:42
  drinking with Lemmy. And I'd I'd want to be day
• 1:17:44
  drinking with Lemmy and I'd want to like try to top and do better
• 1:17:48
  in a conversation with Lemmy than the clip I saw of him and
• 1:17:51
  Billy Bob Thornton talking in the bar once, because that was a
• 1:17:53
  great a great conversation. But I want to I want to up Billy
• 1:17:56
  Bob and have a better conversation than Billy Bob did
• 1:17:58
  with him to kill Mr. that that would be.
• 1:18:00
  It fantastic Billy. Bob Thornton, that would be your
• 1:18:02
  Lemmy. Lemmy.
• 1:18:04
  Lemmy Yeah, but I'm, I'm referencing the conversation
• 1:18:07
  that I saw Billy Bob and Lemmy having in a bar, which I thought
• 1:18:09
  was great, but I I want to insert myself in there and kick
• 1:18:12
  Billy Bob out and then let me talk to Lemmy.
• 1:18:15
  You know what? That's why I love having a, a
• 1:18:18
  podcast with you, because you're like us, you hold nothing back.
• 1:18:23
  So, and, and I don't mean this, no L, GB, QTA, whatever it is
• 1:18:33
  correct, I want you to just sit there and go like this for a
• 1:18:38
  minute. There you go.
• 1:18:42
  Look at this motherfucker. This motherfucker is 52 years
• 1:18:45
  old and he's cut like he's fucking 30 years old.
• 1:18:51
  Bro, you are Jack. Man, you are Jack.
• 1:18:54
  Even when I saw you last. He is Jack, so I'm drinking
• 1:18:58
  coffee, not whiskey because I'm going to the gym right after
• 1:19:00
  this, so I've got to get my caffeine and nicotine before I
• 1:19:02
  go to my pump. There you go.
• 1:19:04
  There you go. Geez, I'm stuck right now
• 1:19:09
  because this mofo is jammed up, I said.
• 1:19:16
  I'm what? Are you guys, what are you, what
• 1:19:17
  are you guys smoking tonight? What are you guys smoking
• 1:19:19
  tonight? I am smoking.
• 1:19:20
  I just got done with my like Gloria Cabana R.
• 1:19:26
  Now I'm smoking the maca noodle. I had I had I might started my
• 1:19:31
  morning on the way to work with a very light cigar, a triple
• 1:19:36
  Maduro, a triple Maduro to start my morning very light cigar.
• 1:19:44
  I'm on my way to work On the way home.
• 1:19:47
  I had the American by Alec Bradley and I just finished the
• 1:19:52
  Nikka Roosta. I the last one, unfortunately I
• 1:19:57
  just finished that and I'm staring at my human door
• 1:19:59
  deciding what my next one's going to.
• 1:20:02
  Be So here's here's the thing with OG.
• 1:20:04
  Can I finish talking? Sure, I'm I'm going to call him
• 1:20:08
  now the vanilla chic instead of vanilla gorilla.
• 1:20:10
  But so I'm actually not Iron Chic.
• 1:20:16
  Not not not iron Gorilla, but vanilla chic.
• 1:20:18
  There we go. Go ahead.
• 1:20:19
  Vanilla chic. There we go.
• 1:20:20
  Vanilla chic. That's.
• 1:20:22
  My KFC Kentucky fire gear speak. What is that?
• 1:20:28
  The Kentucky fire theory. Oh wow, I've never, I've never
• 1:20:32
  seen that. That's interesting.
• 1:20:34
  Nice, nice. So.
• 1:20:36
  It's a very under appreciated. Cigar I want to give a shout out
• 1:20:40
  right now why we're here because I totally forgot to do that at
• 1:20:44
  the beginning to Glenn from the CEO of Jewish state he passed
• 1:20:50
  away today shout out to. Him.
• 1:20:53
  Because I love that dude. We met him at the Barn Smoker in
• 1:20:57
  Connecticut. He sat down with us, he hung out
• 1:21:00
  with us. Shout out to him, shout out to
• 1:21:04
  Jonathan, shout out to Maddie Rocks and everybody with Jewish
• 1:21:08
  steaks because I love Glenn. He was great and the guy knew
• 1:21:15
  what he was doing. And God bless him and his
• 1:21:18
  family. I pray that they take good care
• 1:21:22
  of everything that's going on and I hope to take care of Swiss
• 1:21:26
  sweets and Jewish steaks. That's all I got to say.
• 1:21:29
  And you got resting power. Resting power.
• 1:21:32
  Yes, Sir. So now let's get back to Matt.
• 1:21:35
  I thought that. Was all you had to say.
• 1:21:38
  Sorry, I let Joey talk. I'm just saying, you said it's
• 1:21:43
  all I have to say. I'll let Joey talk.
• 1:21:45
  Go ahead. I've got nothing right now, so
• 1:21:47
  go ahead. OK, side project.
• 1:21:49
  That's the answer. That's what I just lit up what
• 1:21:51
  I'm lighting up right now. There you go, Man O war, man O
• 1:21:54
  war. Man O war, I need one of those,
• 1:21:57
  by the way. I'll save one maybe.
• 1:22:00
  You'll save one of those and the two O 4 and 2:50.
• 1:22:04
  For me, I've done. I'll save you a 250.
• 1:22:09
  A 240. Sorry, 240. 250. 2:50 You want
• 1:22:13
  to save the. You got to save. 200.
• 1:22:17
  I'll save one for Joey too. Cool.
• 1:22:20
  And if I say Andrew, I'll save you a a 250 year anniversary
• 1:22:24
  cigar for good old USA there. We go.
• 1:22:28
  Let me ask you this question. How do I get you to come to my
• 1:22:32
  house? Come to my house, we discussed
• 1:22:38
  this. A bag of coke, dude.
• 1:22:39
  It's the answer. Excuse me, I'm talking to
• 1:22:43
  Andrew, not OG. How do I get you to come to my
• 1:22:46
  house, hang out, smoke cigars and have a couple of pops with
• 1:22:51
  me, Joey and OG? Well, we'll have to figure that
• 1:22:56
  out. I mean, you know, I'm, I'm not
• 1:22:57
  much of A traveler lately, but you know, I'm sure there'll be
• 1:23:00
  an event at some point where we're all going to align.
• 1:23:03
  I'm sure that will happen, right.
• 1:23:05
  So of course. That always happens at some
• 1:23:07
  point in time. Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Well, we have a lady coming on this week, Anna S40 cigars,
• 1:23:17
  Serious 40 cigars. She's been up here twice and all
• 1:23:21
  twice we couldn't make it because we were.
• 1:23:27
  So I was trying to get her come up here this weekend.
• 1:23:30
  I'm hoping that she can come up because if so, I'll be in my
• 1:23:33
  backyard barbecue and smoking cigars with her.
• 1:23:36
  And I'm hoping that she comes up.
• 1:23:39
  I'm hoping. I'm praying.
• 1:23:41
  That'd be cool. So if that happens, O GS going
• 1:23:44
  to come down with his wife, we're going to have a BBQ, drink
• 1:23:48
  some beers, have a good time and hang out.
• 1:23:50
  O GS been in my house I used we used to live in a condo in
• 1:23:56
  November. Why you see the nice little
• 1:23:57
  change of scenery? Behind this House.
• 1:23:59
  Since the last time, yeah, a whole backyard hidden behind
• 1:24:04
  this curtain. Yeah, nice, nice.
• 1:24:06
  So I'm hoping that she can come up here.
• 1:24:10
  I got to ask her again this week.
• 1:24:12
  If she can, that's cool, We can have a BBQ.
• 1:24:15
  What is it? A lot of aromatic too, but it's
• 1:24:18
  in a corona side so. OG what else we got to ask my
• 1:24:25
  man? Nothing.
• 1:24:27
  But I want to add to that to that BBQ.
• 1:24:29
  If she does come. We do have this BBQ.
• 1:24:31
  I am going to go for the record and beat George Burns and have
• 1:24:36
  19 cigars in one day. That's my goal.
• 1:24:41
  How many do you smoke? Now guess what?
• 1:24:43
  I'm going to sit there Andrew, and I'm going to laugh at them
• 1:24:46
  and enjoy my 4 cigars spaced out throughout the day.
• 1:24:49
  Hey, I enjoy mine just as much as I enjoy mine just as much as
• 1:24:55
  you enjoy yours. I know that I'm just, I'm going
• 1:24:58
  to sit there and enjoy my 4 spaced out or five spaced out
• 1:25:01
  throughout my day while you're over there, you know?
• 1:25:04
  So now through a box. Now let's put this together for
• 1:25:07
  everybody. I'm like you, I'm built for
• 1:25:08
  comfort, not speed there. Let's put this together for
• 1:25:11
  everybody. Now.
• 1:25:12
  An event day is different then I'm.
• 1:25:14
  I I lose track after like 3. Let's put this together for
• 1:25:17
  everybody. Myself and OG are best friends.
• 1:25:24
  I don't care what anybody says. OG is one of my best friends and
• 1:25:30
  I will call him up at 3 O clock in the morning.
• 1:25:32
  He may not answer but he'll get my text and answer me back.
• 1:25:37
  Am I correct OG? That's correct.
• 1:25:40
  So all y'all people out there that don't think me and OG are
• 1:25:45
  not friends, we are. We are best friends and that is
• 1:25:49
  my brother and it is what it is. Y'all don't like us, y'all can
• 1:25:54
  go fuck yourself. I was talking to Joey and Joey
• 1:25:58
  told me boss was in the hospital.
• 1:26:01
  That, that's my favorite part of this podcast.
• 1:26:03
  I love when the host threatens the audience.
• 1:26:04
  That's the best. I love that.
• 1:26:08
  I was talking to Joey, I was talking to Joey, and I learned
• 1:26:12
  through Joey that Boss was in the hospital a few days back.
• 1:26:16
  While I'm talking to Joey, I'm texting Boss.
• 1:26:19
  I didn't call him because I didn't.
• 1:26:21
  He's in the hospital. I don't know if he could answer,
• 1:26:23
  but he at least have maybe his wife answer the text or
• 1:26:25
  whatever. And he answered me back
• 1:26:28
  instantly and said I'm fine brother, I'm fine.
• 1:26:32
  Don't. Think I don't answer?
• 1:26:35
  I do. It may take me a few minutes
• 1:26:37
  because like I said, and Joey tell you, I have a very short
• 1:26:41
  memory now since my strokes, but I'm doing OK, I'm doing all
• 1:26:48
  right. He's got to go with me when I go
• 1:26:51
  out to DoorDash. Well, I I go out too because
• 1:26:54
  honestly it's easy money and I don't have to do anything but
• 1:26:56
  work for myself like that. And he does.
• 1:27:01
  He works for himself. But I could go out and work 3-4
• 1:27:04
  hours and there's times I can make $150.00 and just come home
• 1:27:08
  and I'm done by like nine, 10:00 in the morning.
• 1:27:12
  So listen, you showed, you showed your flex.
• 1:27:15
  Look at this fucking muscle bro. It's not bad for getting sick,
• 1:27:19
  dude. Looking good.
• 1:27:20
  There you go. So let go.
• 1:27:22
  Let. Me, I'm putting mine down.
• 1:27:23
  I'm putting mine down. While while we're running down,
• 1:27:27
  I do like to ask this question though because it always
• 1:27:29
  intrigues me. We talked about your go to
• 1:27:32
  cigars. We talked about what brand you
• 1:27:34
  like or what's in your humid order.
• 1:27:36
  What is your favorite size to? Yes.
• 1:27:41
  Or go, what's your go to size? And then what is I guess your
• 1:27:45
  ideal size to smoke? I know people like Coronas,
• 1:27:48
  Churchills. So I'm I'm a little bit size
• 1:27:53
  retarded. I have a a size chart, a piece
• 1:27:56
  of art in my in my den and I still can't remember which size
• 1:28:01
  is which. I like Churchill's other than
• 1:28:03
  that, all the ones in the middle, what are they?
• 1:28:04
  Toro Gordo? I don't fucking know.
• 1:28:06
  I like all those ones. Usually the the the middle size
• 1:28:08
  range, but I like Churchill's too.
• 1:28:11
  He said the middle size range. I don't fucking know, but the
• 1:28:14
  thick ring gauges every once in a while, like a thick ring
• 1:28:17
  gauge, but you know, normal, you know the middle size.
• 1:28:20
  I don't know. I'm not.
• 1:28:22
  Going to remember that shit like that.
• 1:28:24
  Corona robusto Toro maybe? Robusto.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah, yeah, eating. That most.
• 1:28:30
  And then you're. You're 7 by 48.
• 1:28:32
  So exactly. So you know, all the all the the
• 1:28:35
  measurements I I don't, I don't remember I.
• 1:28:37
  I've learned through doing this podcast all of the different
• 1:28:41
  sizes than the the forgotten sizes and yeah, the the lesser
• 1:28:46
  known size that people don't use anymore, which I've already kind
• 1:28:50
  of thrown my brain around of how we can use those sizes since
• 1:28:53
  nobody else does. See, cigars are kind of like my
• 1:28:57
  car. I drive a nice Cadillac and I
• 1:28:59
  really, really like it. But don't ask me shit about how
• 1:29:02
  it runs. Don't ask me about the engine.
• 1:29:03
  Can ask me anything about it. I'll know fucking anything about
• 1:29:06
  it, except I enjoy it. Cigars are kind of like that for
• 1:29:08
  me. Like I'll know the name because
• 1:29:10
  I got to buy the name, but don't ask me sizes, blends out.
• 1:29:12
  Yeah, I don't really know a lot of that shit, you know what I
• 1:29:14
  mean? I just know what I like.
• 1:29:15
  And I say yeah, yeah, yeah, that one, that one, you know, But
• 1:29:17
  like, I'm not really good at all.
• 1:29:19
  All the stats. I don't go looking for specific
• 1:29:22
  sizes, like I'll forget names. Sometimes I'll be like, yeah,
• 1:29:25
  I'll just pick that one. Right.
• 1:29:28
  Like, you're supposed to know this.
• 1:29:29
  I'm like, yeah, I'm like, but I learned too much doing a lot of
• 1:29:32
  these shows. I'm like, I forget some of this
• 1:29:34
  shit. I'm like.
• 1:29:36
  But but but I respect I respect those that know it because I
• 1:29:38
  rely on them to tell me shit. But I don't know it you.
• 1:29:41
  Know so here's my thing so me and Joey me and Joey sit here
• 1:29:45
  and we talk to distributors, we talk to blenders, we've talked
• 1:29:50
  to everybody and everybody's like what do you guys like and
• 1:29:54
  I'm like I don't know I like this cigar they're like oh
• 1:29:57
  that's a 50 by 60 whatever it is I'm like yeah sure they're like
• 1:30:03
  no, it is I'm like. OK.
• 1:30:06
  That's what you're saying. I'm good with it.
• 1:30:09
  Exactly you. Know what I mean?
• 1:30:10
  Like how do I? How do I say no?
• 1:30:14
  Exactly. Yeah, like.
• 1:30:16
  Those really fancy names. And I'm like, you know, they're
• 1:30:19
  like, oh, this isn't a Lancero. It's Lonsdale.
• 1:30:23
  And it's not quite a Churchill. It's not I'm like, I'm like, OK.
• 1:30:28
  But again, it's it's like you said, it's like a car.
• 1:30:31
  It's like those little lesser known things or you know, sizes
• 1:30:35
  or parts that a lot of people forget about sometimes are the
• 1:30:39
  simplest ones to make your cigar, you know, to to use as a
• 1:30:44
  size for your brand that a lot of people don't.
• 1:30:47
  That's true. It could be a differentiator.
• 1:30:49
  Yeah, I can see that. But it's, it's how it's like you
• 1:30:51
  get to a certain point. It's like you get to be too much
• 1:30:53
  and it's like, I'm good. Yeah.
• 1:30:56
  How are we in time, boys? What we got?
• 1:31:00
  We got listen. Elder, 31.
• 1:31:02
  It's however long Andrew wants to.
• 1:31:03
  If Andrew. Wants to stay after.
• 1:31:05
  We can stay after. We can record this and put on
• 1:31:07
  YouTube. We can stay 3 hours.
• 1:31:10
  I don't have to. Go to the gym.
• 1:31:12
  I'm probably going to tap out when this is done, which is
• 1:31:14
  shortly, but OK OG since I'm a failure and I'm the rule, I'm
• 1:31:19
  I'm the kind of failure rules and I failed to bring my own
• 1:31:22
  book. Can you prop that up again?
• 1:31:24
  We can tell the the viewers where to where to get.
• 1:31:27
  It, yeah, and I'm going to do that, but I'm going to, I'm
• 1:31:29
  going to end it with this because this is my favorite
• 1:31:32
  quote and I'm quoting. I'm not paraphrasing.
• 1:31:35
  This was right at the beginning of the book.
• 1:31:36
  It says hard times create strong men, strong men create good
• 1:31:40
  times, good times create weak men and weak men create hard
• 1:31:45
  times. And that's by G Michael Hoth
• 1:31:49
  from the novel Those Who Remain. Listen, guys, gals, ladies and
• 1:31:56
  gentlemen, boys and girls and children of reading ages, you
• 1:31:59
  have to get this book and. Get it?
• 1:32:03
  Failure. Rules.
• 1:32:04
  You get books online, all formats, hardcover, paperback,
• 1:32:09
  e-book, and then a great audio book with some good narration.
• 1:32:13
  It's not me, but it's a voice, voice guy, and he's really,
• 1:32:16
  really good. Good urgency and cadence to his
• 1:32:18
  voice. You know, anywhere you find
• 1:32:20
  online, if you like it, post a good review.
• 1:32:23
  If you don't like it, post a good review anyway and lie.
• 1:32:25
  That's what I would ask, and I hope you'd go pick up the book.
• 1:32:31
  If you need inspiration, just check out my review.
• 1:32:33
  There you go. There you go.
• 1:32:35
  So Andrew, one more thing for you, my brother.
• 1:32:40
  So we appreciate you taking your time from the gym, from your
• 1:32:47
  wife, your kids, whatever. I cannot thank you enough for
• 1:32:54
  coming on the podcast. I'm sure OG will say the same
• 1:32:58
  thing, Joey say the same thing on this on this day.
• 1:33:02
  I appreciate you coming on and I need you to text me your number
• 1:33:09
  because I need to talk to you outside the podcast.
• 1:33:13
  OK, OK. Well, thanks for having me all
• 1:33:16
  man. It's good to see you all you
• 1:33:17
  guys, man. I'm glad you guys got I'd like
• 1:33:19
  to go. Listen, anytime you want to come
• 1:33:22
  on and promote something or you just want to come on and
• 1:33:24
  bullshit, we live on Sundays from 11:00 to 12:30.
• 1:33:30
  Everybody's welcome. Just text Joey, text OG, text
• 1:33:36
  me, say I want to come on. I'm like, OK, cool, we'll put
• 1:33:39
  you on. Sounds good.
• 1:33:42
  I dig it man, this is this is a good time.
• 1:33:44
  Good session. Good hurf, I like.
• 1:33:48
  It absolutely my brothers all you.
• 1:33:50
  I consider all you my brothers on.
• 1:33:55
  That though guys, another fun. Episode Oh Gee, don't go
• 1:33:58
  nowhere. Probably see this on YouTube.
• 1:34:01
  OK. Yeah, let me know when it's up.
• 1:34:03
  Yes, I will. All right.
• 1:34:05
  Have a great night guys, See you.
• 1:34:07
  See you my friend. See you, long ashes, long ashes.
• 1:34:11
  Long ashes. Yes, Sir.
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