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Monday Mini: Another Abortion Check-In · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephane.
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Speaker 1: Never told to your protection of I Heart Radio, and
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Speaker 1: welcome to another Monday Mini. And you know what, I
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Speaker 1: think we need to start having pens on in our
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Speaker 1: episodes so that if we have subjects that are related
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Speaker 1: to each other, because technically we're calling this part two
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Speaker 1: about what's happening with abortion. I guess Rob Wade kind
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Speaker 1: of and uh, we're not going down the sad sack way. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I keep saying that myself. Someone needs to tell me
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Speaker 1: if that's success because I need to stop for this.
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Speaker 1: But in general, Uh, we have just found out that
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Speaker 1: Senate was not able to codify Women's Health Act Protection Act,
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Speaker 1: which I don't think anyone's really surprised, uh, but disappointed. Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I will say in the state of Georgia, our senators
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Speaker 1: did vote for it. So that makes me feel a
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Speaker 1: little better about life. I guess, um, but we we
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Speaker 1: wanted to come in with instead of I'm upset, I'm
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Speaker 1: mad with Hey, these are the things that we can do. Also,
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Speaker 1: how are you? How are you what's going on in
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Speaker 1: your area? I know we have listeners from Poland we
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Speaker 1: have listeners from Chile. We have listeners, international listeners who
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Speaker 1: have been down these routes, um, that could possibly let
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Speaker 1: us know what you think has helped you during this
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Speaker 1: time and this uncertainty when we feel like where our
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Speaker 1: rights are being stripped, um, and that we are no
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Speaker 1: longer allowed to talk about autonomy and we are going
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Speaker 1: down a really dark hole governmentally. Uh when it comes
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Speaker 1: to people with ussis yeah, and I know, Uh, we've
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Speaker 1: also done that. We did an episode on Ireland's vote
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Speaker 1: on abortion which turned out better and this one did. UM.
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Speaker 1: So we'd love to hear from listeners from Ireland as well. Uh, Mexico.
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Speaker 1: The criminalization starting to be our friends will be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: we got you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's it's
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Speaker 1: I definitely want to hear from listeners. I've talked to
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Speaker 1: my friends about it. I've talked my family about it.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, UM, and I happened to be very fortunate.
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Speaker 1: I know that's not the case for you, but my
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Speaker 1: family is on my my immediate family, not the rest,
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Speaker 1: but my immediate families on my side when this issue,
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Speaker 1: and it is one of those things that feels like
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Speaker 1: a domino effect, like and there's a part of me
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Speaker 1: that's trying not to panic because I'm seen these headlines like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this means in vitro fertilization is going to be impacted,
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Speaker 1: and this means like gay marriage can be like all
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Speaker 1: these things. I'm trying to be like not completely lose it,
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Speaker 1: but those are things that we should keep an eye on. Clearly,
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Speaker 1: we have to be vigilant because there are these machinations,
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Speaker 1: political machinations happening, and it is it is very scary.
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Speaker 1: It's scary to think this is, you know, part of
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Speaker 1: a long term plan that it's going to just impact
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Speaker 1: all of these other things. And it does remind me
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Speaker 1: we were talking about this before, but it very much
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Speaker 1: reminds me of when everyone was like, go get an
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Speaker 1: i u D. Like go, you've got to get it now,
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Speaker 1: or it's not you're not gonna be able to get one.
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Speaker 1: It feels like that again, right um. But to be fair,
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Speaker 1: there's also conversations about the i U D being illegal
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Speaker 1: and people being prosecuted for having an iu D or
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Speaker 1: getting an iu D or planting an i U D.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other conversation that is getting really dark
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Speaker 1: and grows. Right now, I have some conspira to see
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Speaker 1: theories on that, but we're not gonna talk about it.
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Speaker 1: I will say we have already had head listeners are
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Speaker 1: reached out. We have a Canadian listener, Ronda, who was like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: hope y'all are okay, thanks for reaching out you also,
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Speaker 1: can we come hang out with you for a while,
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Speaker 1: but yes, so we would love to hear from you,
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Speaker 1: um and let us know what you think or what's
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Speaker 1: going on. And if you're a listener from any of
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Speaker 1: the states, obviously in the US, we would know what's
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Speaker 1: going on with you. Uh. Any and are are located
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, so we are very Georgia focused, Georgia centric,
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Speaker 1: and of course uh talking about some of the bigger issues.
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Speaker 1: Having Republican very conservative what he would call pro life,
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Speaker 1: we know that's not the term that really should be
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Speaker 1: going for governor what that would look like for us
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Speaker 1: at this current point. Um. So, yeah, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of things uncertain, things for our friends that are in
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Speaker 1: the trigger laws, for our friends in Ohio and Alabama,
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Speaker 1: in Texas, uh so many others Arizona. We hope you're okay,
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Speaker 1: let us know what's going on, what your thoughts are,
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Speaker 1: Our friends in Texas. I know it feels isolating, especially
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Speaker 1: when you feel like people are pushing you out as
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Speaker 1: in like, oh just leave, leave Texas. That's not a thing,
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Speaker 1: and it's really ignorant and privileged statement, and that needs
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Speaker 1: to stop. We say this as we are in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: seemingly in the same lines. So we see you, we
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Speaker 1: hear you. H and let us know what we can
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Speaker 1: do for you as well in this time. Yeah, Anny,
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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that we would to
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Speaker 1: talk about is that the fact that, yeah, we can't
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Speaker 1: just live and dwell in this darkness. And the only
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Speaker 1: thing that I see good in this moment is the
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Speaker 1: fact that we are in this time and age where
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Speaker 1: we've been prepared, we've learned from history a little bit
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Speaker 1: and getting ready and we were going to have an episode. Wait,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's already happened. I don't remember. At this point,
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Speaker 1: we're just recording things left and right. Maybe we should
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Speaker 1: put a stamp on this. It is in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the middle of this. It's made twelve here. Uh
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Speaker 1: hello to the future. Uh yeah, right, but we are
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Speaker 1: still unsure of what's happening. I'm pretty sure of what's
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Speaker 1: going to happen but unsure. So we are ahead, but
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Speaker 1: we do want to talk about some things that we
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Speaker 1: can do where we are and how we're caring for ourselves,
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Speaker 1: because yes, like I said, we can't dwell in this darkness,
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Speaker 1: and we do have to allow ourselves some space. I
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Speaker 1: know I've seen people criticize, like, oh, you shouldn't be happy.
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Speaker 1: Everything is bad, and and that puts you down the
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Speaker 1: road of filling doomed and filling doomed, as we talked
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Speaker 1: about when it comes to climate activism, is not a
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Speaker 1: good way to go. We need to be in the
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Speaker 1: midst of ready to fight, and to fight, we need
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Speaker 1: to rest and so I hope you are able to
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Speaker 1: do that. We want to know, um that you're caring
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Speaker 1: for yourselves as well and for the marginalized community and
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Speaker 1: it's self. This is a whole different battle because it's
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Speaker 1: on top of on top of on top of and
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Speaker 1: we know this, whether you're a queer person watching what's
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Speaker 1: happening with these laws, whether you're a trans person having
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Speaker 1: to deal with the fact that Alabama just completely um
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Speaker 1: made it a felony to get gender affirm and care
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Speaker 1: for children, and that everybody involved can be convicted. Stuff
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Speaker 1: like that is wearing and tearing. We hope that you
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Speaker 1: can have some time to dissociate. And I say this
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Speaker 1: in the non clinical term, but the literals, being of
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Speaker 1: stepping away from it, UM, would love to hear about
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Speaker 1: what's happening with you. Please let us know. UM, we
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Speaker 1: want to connect with you because this is a very
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Speaker 1: personal for all of us and it is triggering, traumatic,
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Speaker 1: and overwhelming. Yeah, we talked about this all the time
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Speaker 1: and it's frustrating because I hate that we're having to
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Speaker 1: kind of deal with this mentally physically every day. UM,
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's it sucks when you're asked like, oh, please,
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Speaker 1: can you share your stories because we need to hear
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Speaker 1: those stories, And it's that's totally up to you. That's
8:32
Speaker 1: a personal decision, but it is powerful, like that kind
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Speaker 1: of support, even if you don't want to like totally
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Speaker 1: share your story, but like the support and talking to
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Speaker 1: each other and communicating is so valuable. And just finding
8:44
Speaker 1: those layers of connection and realizing, like even if you
8:47
Speaker 1: knew it, but really getting the proof that you're not
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Speaker 1: alone and how you feel that shouldn't be dismissed. That's
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Speaker 1: really powerful, right, and for many of you try to
9:00
Speaker 1: figure out what to do, giving time, taking time out,
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Speaker 1: sharing your stories, if you're able to do it. UM,
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Speaker 1: those are ways of giving UH. And I do want
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Speaker 1: to recognize I think people our listeners are really on
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Speaker 1: top of stuff like this, but just kind of some guidelines.
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Speaker 1: If you do decide to give monetarily, look at who
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Speaker 1: you're giving. So the bigger national organizations are not necessarily
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Speaker 1: going to help right now of what is happening to
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Speaker 1: the individual clinics, specifically state related. So if you are
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Speaker 1: living in New York, California, New Jersey, Illinois, great, typically
9:36
Speaker 1: you're in good you're in good standings. At this point,
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Speaker 1: we already know that. Uh McConnell has said that he
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Speaker 1: wants to go federal UM in the band that's a
9:46
Speaker 1: whole different conversation. But in those seats, if you're looking
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Speaker 1: to give money, if you're wanting to help with funds,
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Speaker 1: don't do the national levels UM because oftentimes they are
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Speaker 1: overshadowing the individual clinics and they are not sure what
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Speaker 1: is happening in individual states. And it is different. Each
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Speaker 1: state is different of their requirements, what is needed, what
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Speaker 1: isn't needed. There may not be organizations that can stand
10:09
Speaker 1: open and so that if we're not one gets anything.
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Speaker 1: So look at what you're wanting to be specific give
10:15
Speaker 1: small amounts. I think I've repeated this before, So the
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Speaker 1: recommendation is instead of giving one large chunk, spread it
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Speaker 1: out and that will help a lot more than you think.
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Speaker 1: Look at defense funds. We are now going to have
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Speaker 1: to have defense funds. We know that people have already
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Speaker 1: been arrested, people are being kind of in the pipelines
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Speaker 1: to be made examples of, so that needs to be seen.
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Speaker 1: So look at that as well. Um, if you have questions,
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Speaker 1: if you want to find specifics that, you could actually
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Speaker 1: go to National Network of Abortion Funds and they will
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Speaker 1: give you links to where to donate, what they donate for.
10:46
Speaker 1: They can even give you a list of what the
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Speaker 1: money is going to for individual organizations or where to
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Speaker 1: give locally. And I think it's really really important that
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Speaker 1: we talk about that as well. As Another big narrative
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Speaker 1: that's been going around and I think it's worth listening to,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about it a little more in depth,
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Speaker 1: is don't use coat hangger symbols. I know that people
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Speaker 1: have been using it as like a reminder of the
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Speaker 1: old days and how many pregnant people died in the past,
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Speaker 1: that we weren't able to access abortion and it is
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Speaker 1: tragic and it needs to be talked about. But that
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Speaker 1: also can overshadow the fact that right now it is
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Speaker 1: still legal again. It's made twelve here um and the
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Speaker 1: FDA did approve a home abortion pill that is safe,
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Speaker 1: safer than even thailan all and has shown its effectiveness
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Speaker 1: and therefore can be accessed at home, and that is
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Speaker 1: what it needs to be used. So using that coat
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Speaker 1: hanggar logic some people who don't know the accessibility because
11:39
Speaker 1: we know shadow banning is a thing, and they like
11:43
Speaker 1: to keep these things hush hush because they don't want
11:45
Speaker 1: to talk about the accessibility and try to shame people
11:48
Speaker 1: that could overshadow the message. So it is really important
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Speaker 1: that we are able to communicate that fact that it
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Speaker 1: is still accessible in certain states. It is still technically
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Speaker 1: accessible by ill probably based on states you may not
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Speaker 1: be able to, but we know networks happen. Networks happen,
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Speaker 1: and you can help find those networks for people. I mean,
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Speaker 1: like we talked about Mexico and Canada already, like hey,
12:11
Speaker 1: we got you we got you, UM. But stuff like
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Speaker 1: that is really important that we talked about this out
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Speaker 1: loud and that this accessibility is out there, UM, so
12:21
Speaker 1: that we don't put more harmful rhetoric for people who
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Speaker 1: don't have access in this information right. And and that's
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Speaker 1: something that we've talked about before with crisis pregnancy Centers CPCs,
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Speaker 1: is that a lot of times there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of misinformation and disinformation when you google abortion for whatever
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Speaker 1: it is, UM and I think a lot of people
12:44
Speaker 1: unfortunately do have that in their brain or don't know
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Speaker 1: that there is this pill available UM because it's being
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Speaker 1: hidden from them, whether it's through technology or through government
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Speaker 1: governmental purposes, or through religious purposes UM or even as
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Speaker 1: being like guilted and then also bad actors on the
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Speaker 1: internet selling like fake dangerous pills. It's really really important
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Speaker 1: that we highlight this that is safe, is available, here's
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Speaker 1: how you get it right And hopefully you have listened
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Speaker 1: to our episode with bridget about this specifically and you
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Speaker 1: will get a little more information. But yeah, we just
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that that is out there because
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Speaker 1: as much negativity as there is, there's still abilities to
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Speaker 1: get what we need UM. Even if a reversus way
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Speaker 1: does get overturned. Um, we need to remember the two
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Speaker 1: basis of what we're doing, what we're talking about. Reminder
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Speaker 1: of the population actually do not think versus ways should
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Speaker 1: be overturned. So we're not in the in the minority.
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Speaker 1: We are the majority, but yet the few have taken
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Speaker 1: control of this narrative. And that's important to remember as
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Speaker 1: well for those like myself who are having to deal
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Speaker 1: with family um in this moment and really feeling that
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Speaker 1: strain because it's it's been bad, but it's getting worse.
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Speaker 1: And I know it, and I know it, and I
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Speaker 1: know it. I'm with you, I hear you. Your chosen
14:14
Speaker 1: family is there for you, and you've got to lean
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Speaker 1: into that. Uh. Find the people who you need. The community.
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Speaker 1: I love what's happening on Reddit. We're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: it again in the episode soon. Uh. The aunties who
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Speaker 1: are coming forward to be support groups, go to that.
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Speaker 1: Go to that if you need that, UH, find them.
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how Reddit works, but I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: you could just google it. That goes am I doing
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Speaker 1: the Parks and Rex thing where you go to Yahoo
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Speaker 1: to go to your Gmail, to go to oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: I think he might be. I think I might be.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am an anti UM. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's finding people online can be a support. Make sure, yes,
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Speaker 1: be wary of who you're talking to, what you're talking about,
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Speaker 1: you're being swept into. Always nice to have be grounded
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Speaker 1: UM and get the correct information. Always get to research
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Speaker 1: any of these things. Make sure that, uh, if you
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Speaker 1: can't find a provider who can actually give you the
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Speaker 1: right information, UH, that site I told you, National Network
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Speaker 1: of Abortion Funds can help you link to things as
15:20
Speaker 1: well as to find your UH funds for you to
15:23
Speaker 1: get access that you need. So all of these things
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Speaker 1: that are really really important to remember. And again I
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Speaker 1: feel like this gets lost in the narrative about the
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Speaker 1: fact that what we're talking about is not just everybody
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Speaker 1: get abortion, is about choice, and that what it comes
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Speaker 1: down to in this conversation is that those who choose
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Speaker 1: to have babies, those who choose not to have babies,
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Speaker 1: those who choose to go a different route on having children,
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Speaker 1: those who choose to remain childless. This should be something
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Speaker 1: that we should be allowed to do. Those who need
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Speaker 1: birth control, not necessarily because they try to be anti
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Speaker 1: child and I say that flippantly, uh more so that
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Speaker 1: it helps their bodies correct itself. That's the conversation we
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Speaker 1: need to have as well, that we're not telling you
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Speaker 1: you have to abortion as in fact, and pro choice
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Speaker 1: is saying that sterilization is also something that we are
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Speaker 1: very much against if it's forced against them exactly exactly,
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Speaker 1: it's having bodily autonomy in the situation that you should like,
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Speaker 1: there's just a part of me that gets so frustrated,
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Speaker 1: like I cannot believe I can, but it makes me
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Speaker 1: so that I'm having to like be like, but this
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Speaker 1: is my body, right, why do I have to do
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Speaker 1: where your religious morals are telling me? Right? And on
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Speaker 1: top of that that abortion is healthcare and it's access
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Speaker 1: and it should be normalized as well. So we can't
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Speaker 1: have this conversation in this morality debate necessarily without having
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Speaker 1: the conversation of like, so who do you respect? Do
16:52
Speaker 1: you respect me as a human right? And I think, again,
16:56
Speaker 1: this is a whole different episode, but I think that
16:58
Speaker 1: whole morality argument was chosen very specifically because people have
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Speaker 1: different morals and we're never going to agree all that,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I know, I'm we're with you we're stressed,
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Speaker 1: We're worried about it. Um So, if if you have
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Speaker 1: any organizations or resources or anything you want us to
17:21
Speaker 1: shout out. If you want to tell us what's going on,
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Speaker 1: we want to hear it. You just want to talk
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Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, so please send any of your your thoughts, experiences,
17:30
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