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Mel Gibson on Joe Rogan Passion Of The Christ, Christianity, Popes · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: All right, what's up everybody. This is Gil and today
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to listen to Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson
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  Speaker 1: speaking about Christianity, the popes, the passion of the Christ,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I think this would be a
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  Speaker 1: good listen because Mel Gibson has been through so much.
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  Speaker 2: In the past few years. So this is Gil.
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  Speaker 1: Please listen, don't forget to like subscribe, share and comment,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you later.
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  Speaker 3: By you know, like subtitled movies, you feel like you're
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  Speaker 3: a smarter person watching a movie where you're reading it
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's yeah, there's something about the written word
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  Speaker 2: that's like, it's a pretty interesting thing to throw into
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  Speaker 2: the mix. I know when I first started, it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of confusing, but then I got really good at it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think, especially with something like what the passion
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  Speaker 2: that I did, the written word was very important because
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  Speaker 2: it was, you know, you got all those books the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you've got the different gospels and stuff that
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  Speaker 2: people are quite familiar with. Half the time, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: even need to read the subtitles. They could look at
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  Speaker 2: it and know what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: That was a crazy movie. Because it was a great movie.
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  Speaker 3: But it seemed like there was resistance.
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  Speaker 2: To that movie. Oh yeah, No, there was that.
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  Speaker 3: Which I've thought was very strange. There was like Hollywood
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  Speaker 3: resistance to that movie, Like people didn't like that you
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  Speaker 3: were making it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, there's a lot of there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of opposition to it. And I don't know, it's
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  Speaker 2: I think if you ever hit on that subject matter,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna get people going, because of course it's big
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  Speaker 2: subject matter, and it's like, you know, and my contention is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when I was making it, it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you're making this film, and the idea was that we're
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  Speaker 2: all responsible for this, that his sacrifice was for all mankind,
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  Speaker 2: and that for all all our ills and all all
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  Speaker 2: the things in our fallen nature, it was a redemption. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I believe that, you know, I actually
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was born into a Catholic family. I'm
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  Speaker 2: very Christian in my beliefs, you know, so I do
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  Speaker 2: actually believe this stuff to the full. So depicting that
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  Speaker 2: was an honor, but it was also yeah, you got
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  Speaker 2: you got the daylights beat out of you for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's there's resistance. First of all from secular Hollywood, where,
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  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, Christianity is the one religion that you're
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  Speaker 3: allowed to disparage. Christianity is the one religion where people,
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  Speaker 3: all these progressive, open minded, leftist people, they'll embrace all
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  Speaker 3: these different religions until it comes to Christianity. Now, for
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  Speaker 3: whatever reason that represents like white male, you know whatever
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  Speaker 3: it represents, colonialism, you know whatever, you know, whatever it represents,
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  Speaker 3: its negative.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, it's gotten a bad rap, and they people
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  Speaker 2: do feel free to beat up on it. M hm,
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  Speaker 2: even I do. When I see it. It's like, you know, when.
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  Speaker 3: It's not fair, I think it's off right, Like.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when they appoint some cardinal and some diocese
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  Speaker 2: and he's been covering up for like people who are
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  Speaker 2: child molesters. Yes, you know, like Theodore McCarrick or Cardinal
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  Speaker 2: World or those kind of guys.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, well the pope, yes, absolutely, Benedict, not Benny.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was covering up.
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  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, so is the guy now is he really?
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  Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, yeah, it's it's not great.
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was like the more progressive pope.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he's very progressive, yes.
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  Speaker 3: But he's covering up for stuff as well well they
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  Speaker 3: all are. I mean, it's a it's a dark institution
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, because it's history, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well you know the institution. It was instituted by Christ,
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  Speaker 2: you know. But that doesn't mean that it can't be flawed.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a school of thought that says it isn't
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  Speaker 2: what it purports to be anymore. It's it's moved away
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  Speaker 2: from what it was intended to be and what it
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  Speaker 2: is almost There's a guy called Bishop Vigeno who says
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  Speaker 2: it's a counterfeit, parallel church and it's running an entirely
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  Speaker 2: different religion. I actually don't. I don't adhere to a
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  Speaker 2: post concilier church. I ad here.
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  Speaker 3: Can you define what that means?
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  Speaker 2: Okay? There was an event that happened in the sixties. First,
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  Speaker 2: there was an event in the Vatican where they elected
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  Speaker 2: John the twenty third Pope, right in nineteen fifty eight.
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  Speaker 2: I was two years old, right, he was elected. And
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  Speaker 2: it was a very funny thing that happened in the conclave.
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  Speaker 2: You know, usually there's white and black smoke that goes
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  Speaker 2: out of the chimneys to tell you we have a pope.
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  Speaker 2: You know, haba must pop them, you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: white smoke came out, and everybody cheered and they went crazy,
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  Speaker 2: and then about a half an hour later, black smoke
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  Speaker 2: came out. That never in history has that happened, that
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  Speaker 2: the white smoke came out and then the black smoke.
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  Speaker 3: Well, white smoke means we found a new pope. Black
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  Speaker 3: smoth means no pope.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. They'd have boats or there'd be one reason
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  Speaker 2: or another that have around in the conclave, and black
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  Speaker 2: smoke would come out many times, many times, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 2: it would take two weeks, but never was it known
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  Speaker 2: that white smoke came out, then black smoke came out.
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  Speaker 2: So what was the scenario? That somebody was elected and
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  Speaker 2: that maybe something else happened and he was pushed aside,
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  Speaker 2: that someone else was put in h So it was
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  Speaker 2: power struggle, some kind of power struggle. And of course
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  Speaker 2: the man who came out was a man called Angelo
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  Speaker 2: ron Collie, and he was John the twenty third. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting to note that never had a pope taken
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  Speaker 2: the name of another pope ever before in history, but
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  Speaker 2: this man took the name of a known anti pope
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  Speaker 2: from the fifteenth century that Cosmo de Medici put in
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  Speaker 2: There as his own. Man, I'll get you in the
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  Speaker 2: chair and then everything will be rosy, you know, everything
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  Speaker 2: will go good for business, you know whatever. He was
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  Speaker 2: putting him in there for some corrupt reason. But and
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  Speaker 2: there have been corrupt men in that place before. I
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  Speaker 2: mean there's Alexander the sixth and Julius the second, the
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  Speaker 2: sixth's the fourth. I mean, some of these guys are
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're not saints. So he took the name
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  Speaker 2: of a known antipope from the fifth century who actually said, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I'm an antipope. Sorry, I'm not the right guy, because
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  Speaker 2: there was more than one, and he confessed to being
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  Speaker 2: and he wanted to, you know, square things with with
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  Speaker 2: the Almighty I guess, so he confessed to being an
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  Speaker 2: anti pope, and so he took the same name as
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  Speaker 2: that guy, John the twenty third. So it's interesting, don't
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  Speaker 2: you think, I mean, why would he do that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, whenever you have that kind of power, like I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure you've been to the Vatican, right, Yeah, it's stunning.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's huge. It's so crazy.
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  Speaker 3: When you're walking around you see just the massive just
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  Speaker 3: a dollar value in the art that they possess. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's fucking insane.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, and uh, you know it's a very
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  Speaker 2: small country. It's a country.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a country inside of a small city. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because Rome's not the biggest city. No, and then it's
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  Speaker 3: got a country inside the city. Yeah, with walls around it.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: And you can't extradite people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty weird, how convenient. Yeah, even rat Singer, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't drive from the Vatican to the other place. He
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  Speaker 2: flew ooh, and it was only a little while because
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  Speaker 2: who knows why.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was wanted, yes, yeah, I mean he had done.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things that he had done was he
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  Speaker 3: had moved a priest that had molested one hundred kids
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  Speaker 3: and he moved him to some new place where he
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  Speaker 3: molested deaf kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's the dirtiest, most evil practice that the Catholic Church
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  Speaker 3: has been accused of.
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  Speaker 2: I think so and many institutions as well. But that
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  Speaker 2: is a very bad one, and I think it's all
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  Speaker 2: part and parcel of the same corruption that crept in
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  Speaker 2: And when you asked, what's the difference between pre Vatican too,
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  Speaker 2: so Vatican two happened, and of course they they took
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  Speaker 2: the church and they they reformed it, and they changed
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  Speaker 2: things in it, and it didn't necessarily agree with everything
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  Speaker 2: that went before it.
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  Speaker 3: Mm.
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  Speaker 2: And up to that point, yeah, you could find it
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  Speaker 2: agreed with itself. But all of a sudden you got
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  Speaker 2: something else, to the point where now I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we got a pope that brought a South American idol
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  Speaker 2: into the church the worship. Really he did the pacha mama.
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  Speaker 2: He bought the South and he got it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what that is.
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's kind of like a South American god,
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  Speaker 2: pacha mama. And why would he do that? Good question?
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  Speaker 2: But he did.
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  Speaker 3: Did he an explanation for why he did it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of a weasel worded thing of like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: all religions are just as good as one another. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, if that's his contention.
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  Speaker 3: It shouldn't be the pope. No, I mean, how can
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  Speaker 3: you be the pope if say all religions are just
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  Speaker 3: as good.
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  Speaker 2: We all worship you know. So, yeah, that is a
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  Speaker 2: pacha mama. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: So he brought that in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, into the Vatican. Then the higher he, the hierarchy
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  Speaker 2: even worshiped that, had a ceremony around it. Outside. What, well,
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  Speaker 2: that constitutes apostasy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an apostasy, all right, worshiping false gods.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's number one on the Mosaic hit list. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Moses goes up on the mountain, he comes back down,
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  Speaker 2: people are worshiping in a golden calf. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's that. Yeah, so you can't do that, and
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  Speaker 2: for me, that's a departure from but yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's called apostasy. It's a falling away from it. And
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  Speaker 2: the very nature of apostasy means that you have to
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  Speaker 2: be part of it to fall away from it. M hm,
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  Speaker 2: So it's an side job. Ah.
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  Speaker 3: So what do you think there's a motive behind these things?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you will.
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  Speaker 3: Probably what do you think it is?
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  Speaker 2: But it isn't good. I think. Look, I think we're
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  Speaker 2: looking at a world where and this is the in
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  Speaker 2: the next film I'm going to I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: and tackle this question that there are big realms, spiritual realms.
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  Speaker 2: There's good, there's evil, and they are slugging it out
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  Speaker 2: for the souls of mankind. And my question is why
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  Speaker 2: are we even important, little old flawed humanity? Why are
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  Speaker 2: we important in that process? Where the big realms are
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  Speaker 2: slugging it out over us. And I think there's bigger
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  Speaker 2: things that play here, and institutions that purport to touch
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  Speaker 2: on the divine are necessarily going to be affected by
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  Speaker 2: that slugfest that's going on between good and evil, right,
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  Speaker 2: and and sometimes good gives up ground, yeah, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: not on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: So this this story that you want to tell about
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  Speaker 3: good and evil? Like, do you have a script or
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  Speaker 3: is it always a thing in your head?
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  Speaker 2: What is it? Yeah, it's it's it's the resurrection story.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's it's not just it's not linear because
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  Speaker 2: you can't really it's hard to understand. So it's got
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  Speaker 2: to be put in a framework where you answer a
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  Speaker 2: few other questions as well, and you have to juxtapose
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  Speaker 2: the event itself against everything else so that it makes
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  Speaker 2: some kind of sense in a bigger picture, which is
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  Speaker 2: a hard thing to do. And it took my brother
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  Speaker 2: and I about and a guy called Randall Wallace plus
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  Speaker 2: my brother and I took us six seven years to
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  Speaker 2: write it.
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  Speaker 3: So are you doing this with historians as well? You're
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  Speaker 3: trying to make it yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, historical stuff. Well, I regard I regard the Gospels
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  Speaker 2: as history. It's a verifiable history. Some people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it's a fairy tale, he never exists, But he did.
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  Speaker 2: And there are other accounts, verifiable historical accounts outside the
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  Speaker 2: biblical ones that also bear this up, that yes, he
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  Speaker 2: did exist. And the other aspect of that is that
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  Speaker 2: the all the evangelists, the apostles who went out there,
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  Speaker 2: every single one of those guys died rather than deny
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  Speaker 2: their belief. And nobody dies for a lie. Nobody. So
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  Speaker 2: that's part of what I'm doing. It's like showing nobody
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  Speaker 2: dies for a lie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the resurrection is the one that is the most
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  Speaker 3: difficult for people to swallow. Yes, this is the one
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  Speaker 3: that requires the most faith.
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  Speaker 2: The most faith in, the most belief. Yeah, resurrection.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Who who gets back up three days later after he
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  Speaker 2: gets murdered in public? Who gets back up under his
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  Speaker 2: own power? Buddha didn't do that shit?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 3: So you believe that was a real event?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what brought you to that belief? Is this something
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  Speaker 3: that you've always had or is it something you studied
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  Speaker 3: it and you've come to this conclusion because of the
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  Speaker 3: historical accounts.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, I think as a child, you know, one
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  Speaker 2: accepts things on faith because you know, you're raised by
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  Speaker 2: people who are nice to you and they believe it.
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  Speaker 2: And my dad was a pretty smart guy. He was
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  Speaker 2: like mensaw smart, you know, like real smart, like back
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight he won Jeopardy right and then
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  Speaker 2: really and then they brought all the Jeopardy winners back
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  Speaker 2: and he played all the winners and he beat all
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  Speaker 2: of them too. So he had a mind like a
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  Speaker 2: steel trap. And his memory was practically photographic. My memory's pornographic,
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  Speaker 2: but it's like his was like I don't have that
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  Speaker 2: kind of but I'm more like he did math, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I can't add. But so as a child,
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  Speaker 2: you learn these things and you accept them on faith.
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  Speaker 2: And I still have that faith. But as I got older,
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  Speaker 2: I came to it through intellect and through reading and
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  Speaker 2: putting things together in accounts, and then occurrences like in
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  Speaker 2: my own life. I mean, just recently they've verified the
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  Speaker 2: Shroud of Turin. Have you seen that.
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  Speaker 3: I've been reading about it, and I know that there's
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  Speaker 3: some contention, there's some discussion and debate about it. But
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  Speaker 3: they used to think that it was only a couple
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  Speaker 3: hundred years old and now they've changed that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said, no, it's back then.
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  Speaker 3: They also don't understand how it was made, which to
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  Speaker 3: me is very fascinating because it's not paint, it's not
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  Speaker 3: They don't know what caused the image itself, and how
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  Speaker 3: that technology would have even been available, it wasn't a
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  Speaker 3: couple thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 2: An intense light i mean atomic to leave almost like
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  Speaker 2: a photographic imprint on a piece of cloth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, interesting right, Yeah, that's great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: That'll make you think differently about mel Gibson for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll have more information on that later that I'll
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