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Normally Podcast: The Left's Media Double Standards On Full Display · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, here we are back on normally. The show
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Speaker 1: was normalish takes for when the news gets weird.
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Speaker 2: I'm Mary Katherine.
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Speaker 3: Ham, Carol Markowitz, I'm Mary Catherine. How's it going.
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Speaker 2: It's going all right.
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Speaker 3: Well. I don't know if you saw, but the media
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Speaker 3: has some complaints about access to Donald Trump. It's mid November,
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Speaker 3: November twentieth right now, we're recording this, and they are
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Speaker 3: concerned that he has not had a press conference yet.
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Speaker 2: I see. Is that important now?
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Speaker 3: Apparently yes, and they're quite worked up about it. Politico
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Speaker 3: had a piece about it, and Brian Stelter highlighted it,
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Speaker 3: quoting two weeks after winning the presidency, Donald Trump has
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Speaker 3: yet to hold a press conference. And it's like, I
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Speaker 3: just wish I had this level of goal that these
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Speaker 3: people have. I mean, Joe Biden went months without a
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Speaker 3: press conference and nobody had a problem with it. In fact,
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Speaker 3: the very same people were covering up the fact that
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Speaker 3: he hadn't had a press conference by saying like, oh,
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Speaker 3: he you know, he talks to us sometimes, just not
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Speaker 3: like in conference form. I just the level of shamelessness
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Speaker 3: I really aspired to it.
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Speaker 1: No, I think the level of shamelessness is I sound
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Speaker 1: like a broken record, But it's one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: people turned right in this election is because you have
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Speaker 1: a group of people who are very rich and very
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Speaker 1: powerful not holding the very powerful to account as long
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Speaker 1: as they're on their side. Yep, it's very obvious that's
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Speaker 1: what's happening. And then as soon as they change their
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Speaker 1: minds about an issue, about a politician, about a figure,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is, as soon as they change their minds,
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Speaker 1: they tell the rest of us. Now you can believe
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Speaker 1: that now it's okay to think press can give us.
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Speaker 3: A line, give us the line. Now it can be told.
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Speaker 1: Now it can be told, and now it can be
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Speaker 1: told that press conferences by important leaders are actually important.
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Speaker 1: But the thing is, once you've abandoned that idea for
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Speaker 1: the sake of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris who did
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Speaker 1: not talk to press for like six weeks of her
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Speaker 1: very truncated campaign, people don't believe you anymore.
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Speaker 3: Right, nobody's going to get upset about this other than
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Speaker 3: political and Brian Stelter, everybody else is going to say, wait,
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Speaker 3: you didn't say a word when Biden wasn't doing the
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Speaker 3: press conferences. If you didn't say a word when Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris wasn't sitting down with people. We don't believe you
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Speaker 3: that you think this is a concern. I think that's
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Speaker 3: exactly it. It's that we don't trust your opinion anymore.
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Speaker 3: It's not even the facts. We don't believe that you
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Speaker 3: care about this, so stop pretending that you do.
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Speaker 1: We could use the famous line of Stephanie Rule of MSNBC,
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Speaker 1: who appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher and said, look,
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Speaker 1: don't live in nirvana. Okay, Now she was referencing Kamala
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Speaker 1: Harris because Brett Stevens was saying had the groundbreaking idea
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Speaker 1: that maybe Kamala Harris should take questions, and his journalist
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Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm against journalism right now, and we
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Speaker 1: don't live in nirvana. But I'm sure Stephanie Rule is
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Speaker 1: pro journalism again because Donald Trump will be in power.
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Speaker 3: Right And of course what ended up happening is that
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Speaker 3: Stephanie Rule stepped into nirvana and got an interview with
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: So strange how that worked out.
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Speaker 3: You know, it was like all she had to say
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Speaker 3: was I you know, she shouldn't face tough questions, and boom, Nirvana.
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Speaker 3: There she is.
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Speaker 1: I just think there is a real short runway on
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Speaker 1: media that will not do introspection about this. The money's
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Speaker 1: running out, the viewership is running out, And frankly, I
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Speaker 1: would not be upset if Trump did a press conference
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Speaker 1: and had a bunch of podcasters come in and take
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Speaker 1: their questions instead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good to be better.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine Joe Rogan like in the press briefing room.
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Speaker 2: Yes please, smoking a big fat blunt.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a thing that should be disrupted. Actually,
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Speaker 1: all of those front seats, yeah, in the briefing room
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Speaker 1: have gone to the same people forever and ever and ever.
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Speaker 1: Those people haven't served the people they should be serving,
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Speaker 1: like the people who would like to know information for
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Speaker 1: a long time. And I think, you know, a little
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Speaker 1: dust up about who sits where and who gets what
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Speaker 1: question would be good. Although the problem is that people
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Speaker 1: like Joe Rogan are like, I'm not going to sit
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Speaker 1: in the press room and.
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Speaker 3: Why would I want to do that? That's crazy, you know.
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Speaker 3: But to your point about media struggling and are they
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Speaker 3: going to do that introspection? Brian Stelter, we quoted him
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Speaker 3: last episode as saying all these things that you know,
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Speaker 3: he is doing introspection and then he highlights this piece
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Speaker 3: about Trump not doing press conferences. It's like they want
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Speaker 3: to do introspection. They just can't white get there. They're like,
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Speaker 3: this is what we should do, and then they start
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Speaker 3: doing it. They're like, nah, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Know, well, I think because it's hard. Yeah, it would
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Speaker 2: be hard.
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Speaker 1: It'd be hard to have, like for them to have
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Speaker 1: like two Scott Jennings on a panel.
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Speaker 2: Sure, that'd be hard.
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Speaker 3: To imagine that, right, Yeah, they had Scott Jennings and
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Speaker 3: Coleman Hughes one time and that panel was like game
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Speaker 3: over for everybody else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's going to be problematic for everyone
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Speaker 1: or just like people who maybe aren't dedicated partisans. This
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Speaker 1: is the problem is that that any person in journalism
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Speaker 1: who is right of center or more normy gets relegated
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Speaker 1: to opinion journalism because their take is you can't do
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Speaker 1: news if you are a right of center person. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I think you see a lot more stories if you
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Speaker 1: are a right of center person, and you should be
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Speaker 1: part of those decisions, right.
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Speaker 3: And it's like today, you know there's this news that
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Speaker 3: Comcast is planning to spin off MSNBC. You know, it's
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Speaker 3: not going well for them, and they still won't change direction.
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Speaker 3: They still won't do things that might increase viewership, like
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Speaker 3: again bringing in different points of view, having debate. People
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Speaker 3: actually love seeing arguing.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: John Stuart famously went on CNN and yelled at it
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Speaker 3: was Tucker Carlson and Paul Begala. I think he yelled
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Speaker 3: exact crossfire, right, he yelled a crossfire, and he said
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Speaker 3: they were bad for the country, and like, how dare they?
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Speaker 3: I think that was great for the country to see
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Speaker 3: two smart people arguing their points of view. I think
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Speaker 3: what's bad for the country is having John Stuart clown
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Speaker 3: nose on, clown nose off. I'm a comedian, no, I'm
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Speaker 3: a newscaster. That's bad for the country. These people think
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Speaker 3: that's news. I don't think it was bad at all
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Speaker 3: to have disagreement and occasionally even yeah, shouting, yelling. Sure.
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Speaker 3: I think that's what people need to see, and then
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Speaker 3: they need to see those two people go get a
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Speaker 3: beer in Washington, d C. Afterwards, because that's what used
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Speaker 3: to happen. I would blow people's minds with how many
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Speaker 3: people from MSNBC love, for example, and Culter, You have
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Speaker 3: no idea their audiences would lay down and die if
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Speaker 3: they knew how many of the you know, the host
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Speaker 3: she hangs out with.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, by the way, I heard that, speaking
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Speaker 1: of MSNBC types and how they're coping. I heard that
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Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow did a post election like freak out monologue
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Speaker 1: that was over twenty minutes.
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Speaker 2: So it's like, look, but.
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Speaker 1: That's one thing. I let me give her this. I
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Speaker 1: think long form is good for people. I think that's
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Speaker 1: why podcasts do well. They want to hear more than
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Speaker 1: two minutes of people arguing a point. They want to
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Speaker 1: hear a guy like Joe Rogan who's curious and will
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Speaker 1: ask some critical questions but is not hating on the
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Speaker 1: person sitting across from him.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: People like that stuff, and the numbers show it. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I agree, Maybe not a Rachel maddout form.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure twenty minutes of Rachel Maddow is
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Speaker 3: exactly what the people are wanting. But you know, who
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Speaker 3: knows she is one of the higher rated people on MSNBC.
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Speaker 3: It's not like, but the whole channel in general is
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know who coined this phrase, but
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Speaker 3: Dave Rubin likes to use it televised mental asylum. You know,
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Speaker 3: they're just all in like states of crazy. And you know,
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Speaker 3: we talked about it, but I watched it an election
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Speaker 3: night because I wanted to see them react to Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump's win, and it was a madhouse. It was people
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Speaker 3: just breaking down in all different kinds of ways, and
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Speaker 3: you know, it just it is not a good scene
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Speaker 3: over there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there isn't a level of emotionalism
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Speaker 1: that is required in those spaces that I don't think
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Speaker 1: normal people respond well to. And there were times at
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Speaker 1: CNN when I just was I was even agreeing with
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Speaker 1: someone else's point, but they'd be upset with me because
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Speaker 1: I wasn't upset enough. And that is sort of a
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Speaker 1: character stick of woke communications is that if you're not
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Speaker 1: mirroring my emotions, then you're a bad person.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not here to mirror your emotions. I'm here
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Speaker 2: to talk about.
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Speaker 1: The news, right, So I think I think that doesn't
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Speaker 1: serve people well and will continue not to.
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Speaker 3: I want to just say one more thing about that,
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Speaker 3: about what you're saying with the emotions, we don't see
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Speaker 3: that same kind of emotion thing on Fox. On Fox,
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Speaker 3: they were very upset that Donald Trump lost in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: Some of them, you know, maybe had trouble accepting it.
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Speaker 3: Nobody was crying, nobody was breaking down, nobody was saying,
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Speaker 3: let's scrap our entire American experiment and try again. I
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Speaker 3: just you don't see that level of tears and just
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Speaker 3: ballads and of garments, all of that. You just don't
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Speaker 3: see it on Fox, And you don't see it on
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Speaker 3: News Max. You know, don't see it on any of
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Speaker 3: the kind of conservative world podcasts. And I don't know
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Speaker 3: if there's just conservatives react differently, need to setbacks. But
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to see these people like super upset
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Speaker 3: about a presidential election. I would want to hear them
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Speaker 3: say this is how we're going to improve, move forward,
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Speaker 3: change things. That's what I would want to hear from
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Speaker 3: people on my side.
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Speaker 1: Despite being a free speech absolutist, I would outlaw immediately
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Speaker 1: crying selfie videos if I were given such a power.
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Speaker 2: So that is my one exception to the First Amendment.
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Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally.
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Speaker 1: You know what might create some crying selfie videos is
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Speaker 1: the naming of Linda McMahon to the head of the
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Speaker 1: Department of Education. We've already got some response from education
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Speaker 1: gurus such as Becky.
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Speaker 2: Pringle, who is the head of one of the large
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Speaker 2: teachers union.
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Speaker 1: Students deserve better than an extreme and unqualified Secretary of Education.
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Speaker 1: By selecting Linda McMahon, Donald Trump shows that he could
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Speaker 1: not care less about our student's futures. Instead of strength
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Speaker 1: fitting our nation's schools, Donald Trump has picked Betsy Devas
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Speaker 1: two point zero.
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Speaker 2: Calm down, beck Ye, I already like her. Now I
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Speaker 2: want to sell me on her.
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Speaker 1: So. Linda McMahon is a former WWE executive, wife of
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Speaker 1: Vince McMahon. They built it from a tiny Northeastern regional
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Speaker 1: business of like extreme sports and pageantry, this huge brand
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Speaker 1: and huge business. She was the head of it forever.
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Speaker 1: She is a business person and a person who has
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Speaker 1: managed a lot of people, so she's got that going
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Speaker 1: for her. She was actually on the Connecticut Board of
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Speaker 1: Education State Board of Education for a year before running
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Speaker 1: for office and losing because it's Connecticut and she's a Republican,
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Speaker 1: right for Senate. She also headed the Small Business Administration
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Speaker 1: during the first Trump administration, so here she is Department
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Speaker 1: of Education head Linda McMahon and a big school choice advocate,
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Speaker 1: which is going to make people mad.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of this?
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Speaker 3: I love it. It's such a good choice. I think
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Speaker 3: she's so smart and so dedicated to the students of America.
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Speaker 3: I think she's really just a terrific person. I love
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Speaker 3: obviously that Becky Pringle is mad about it. Again, you're right,
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Speaker 3: Betsy Devas two point zero, Like, Wow, that's all I
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Speaker 3: really want to hear. Cory DeAngelis, he's a school choice activist.
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Speaker 3: He loves commenting on all the you know, Becky Pringle
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Speaker 3: and Randy Wingarden tweets, and they're always so excellent. But
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Speaker 3: one thing that he commented to Becky's tweet, he said,
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Speaker 3: the government school system has become more of a jobs
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Speaker 3: program for adults than an education initiative for kids. And
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Speaker 3: he posted a chart where principal administration staff it's like,
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Speaker 3: you know, super high spending on students is super super low,
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Speaker 3: spending on you know, assistant principles and all of that
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Speaker 3: very high. It just we're not spending money correctly. And
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Speaker 3: I don't want a jobs program for adults. I don't
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Speaker 3: know what the Educate Board of Education and I'm sorry
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Speaker 3: the Education Department does anymore. On a national level, our
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Speaker 3: scores have been, you know, just in the toilet for years,
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Speaker 3: and it's pathetic. We can't let this continue go on.
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Speaker 3: We're afraid of these school you know, union people, teacher
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Speaker 3: union people, and we're not allowed to fight back. I
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Speaker 3: think this is the moment to say, we're not going
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Speaker 3: to stand for this anymore. The last four years in
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Speaker 3: particular been awful for education, and Randy Weingarten and Brecky
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Speaker 3: Kringle not being in the White House on day one
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Speaker 3: the way they were last time around is really I mean,
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Speaker 3: all the reasons you need to be happy about a
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump win.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a win in and of itself. And the
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Speaker 1: same people who will tell you that you need a
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Speaker 1: deeply education like pedagogy educated type of person in this position,
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Speaker 1: who's like a dedicated bureaucrat who's been in the Department
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Speaker 1: of Education for years, they're the same people who will
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Speaker 1: tell you who told you that like shutting down schools
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Speaker 1: for eighteen months two years would be no big deal. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I don't listen to those people anymore. I think
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Speaker 1: that McMahon, because she headed a giant organization in the
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Speaker 1: past has managerial skills and skills to figure out what's
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Speaker 1: going on here.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: The Department of Education has like a two hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty billion dollar budget or something like that. The federal
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Speaker 1: dollars from the Department of Education make up about eight
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Speaker 1: percent of K through twelve schools budgets, with the rest
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Speaker 1: coming from state and local taxes. So this is one
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Speaker 1: of those moments where like, don't freak out when they
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Speaker 1: talk about cutting the Department of Education's budget or making
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Speaker 1: it smaller and more lean. A lot of it is
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Speaker 1: just like slush fund federal dollars for all these administrators
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Speaker 1: for various programs that clearly don't work for federal loans
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Speaker 1: for education, which then they forgive on the nationally.
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Speaker 2: So that's what's going on over at education.
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Speaker 1: So I am. I am very open to the side
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Speaker 1: and to someone who has fought for school choice and
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Speaker 1: is a fan of it. Because a lot of parents
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Speaker 1: learned in twenty twenty that they needed an escape patch. Yep,
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Speaker 1: a lot of them have taken it, and I hope
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Speaker 1: that a lot of people get the chance to take
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Speaker 1: it more often. By the way, North Carolina passed a
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Speaker 1: school choice. Nice bill and over wrote a veto from
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Speaker 1: the Democratic governor, who was, of course an ally of teachers' unions.
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Speaker 1: So good to see progress on this in many many states.
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Speaker 3: Yep, may Linda. You know, if not burn it all down,
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Speaker 3: then at least fix it all and not give Becky
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Speaker 3: Kringle what she wants.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I was reading up on Lynda McMahon,
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Speaker 1: one of the interesting things I found out is that
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Speaker 1: a she started a voter registration smacked down your vote
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Speaker 1: as part of the wwe Love It.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember those library posters from the nineties with
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Speaker 1: the ww with the wrestling stars on them and it
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Speaker 1: said know your role read had like the rock on it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, your school is clearly cooler than mine.
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Speaker 2: I have.
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Speaker 1: I have a theory that smacked down your vote and
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Speaker 1: know your Role read posters led to the gen X
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Speaker 1: landslide for Trump. Oh.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, that's what it was.
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Speaker 1: So Linda's getting her She's done her part.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Linda.
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Speaker 2: Goodness.
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Speaker 1: What else do we have on the docket today, Doctor
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Speaker 1: mehmet oz to centers for Medicare and Medicaid services. This
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Speaker 1: is really like, that's not a sexy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know that. That's the only thing
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Speaker 3: that kind of gives me like consolation about it, because
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Speaker 3: otherwise I'm not a fan of this pic. I just
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Speaker 3: he must really care about this because he doesn't need
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Speaker 3: the money. It's not a glamorous position. Again, like we
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Speaker 3: as we talked about in a previous episode. He's not
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Speaker 3: the ambassador to jerks and caicos, which is what my
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Speaker 3: pig would be. I don't know. He must want this,
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Speaker 3: he must have wanted to work on this, so that's
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Speaker 3: the only thing.
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Speaker 1: Running out of money, right, But what do you want
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Speaker 1: to do with those?
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Speaker 2: Do something fun? Do some accounting, right.
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Speaker 3: Because otherwise I don't know. I don't want it to
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Speaker 3: become too much of the TV administration, because look, some
17:15
Speaker 3: of the picks are amazing. I you know, we talked
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Speaker 3: about Pete Hegseat, I love Sean Duffy. I think those
17:20
Speaker 3: are both fantastic choices. Doctor Oz. I just don't know,
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Speaker 3: and I am hoping to see I'm hoping to be wrong.
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Speaker 3: I'm hoping that like he just deeply cares about this,
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Speaker 3: this weird little department, and he's gonna take it with
17:35
Speaker 3: both hands and run it.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean it is somebody called it a
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Speaker 1: green eye shade job, like this is like an accounting job.
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Speaker 1: So yes, I hope the same he had. He's like
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Speaker 1: literally been a doctor. He was a very successful surgeon.
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Speaker 1: So the things that people complain about for other nominees
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Speaker 1: in health right areas they can't really use on him.
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Speaker 3: Except they don't like that he was on TV. That's like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: back to this, back to like I'm on TV, but
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Speaker 3: you should.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Strangely, from the diversity core, we're not hearing a lot
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Speaker 1: of cheering for either the first female chief of staff
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Speaker 1: the White House or the first Muslim American name to
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Speaker 1: a cabinet. Yes, yeah, it's funny that.
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Speaker 2: So strange. Does it matter or does it not matter?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter when it's a Republican just doesn't count.
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Speaker 2: Just doesn't count.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of whether those things matter, is it, Carol the
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Speaker 1: end of woke? That's one of the things popping up
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Speaker 1: in the post election discussion.
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Speaker 3: So I actually have a column coming up on Fox
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Speaker 3: News tomorrow where I say it's not the end of woke.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not just saying that because I feel like
18:49
Speaker 3: a lot of people are like, well, you wrote a
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Speaker 3: book about woke indoctrination of kids. You want this to
18:53
Speaker 3: continue so that your kind of point stands like, No,
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Speaker 3: I would love for my book to be irrelevant. I
18:58
Speaker 3: would love for it to be completely like, look, look,
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Speaker 3: look at this weird historical artifact about crazy things that
19:04
Speaker 3: we used to do. But I don't see it quite yet.
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Speaker 3: And something I didn't say in the piece that I've
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Speaker 3: thought about since then, I think it'll be easier to
19:13
Speaker 3: get rid of woke in corporations where there's a bottom line.
19:17
Speaker 3: I think we're going to see movement on the woke stuff.
19:20
Speaker 3: Where it's going to be a lot harder, is like
19:22
Speaker 3: organizations and you know, universities, obviously, accudation societies, all of
19:28
Speaker 3: that is ideologically captured and they have no one to
19:31
Speaker 3: answer to. So I think we have some examples of
19:36
Speaker 3: corporations taking a bit of a shot, yes, continuing wokeness.
19:41
Speaker 2: So this is Jaguar.
19:42
Speaker 1: Jaguar decided to rebrand this week and they put out
19:47
Speaker 1: a new ad. It doesn't have a lot for our
19:50
Speaker 1: audio only listeners, so I'm.
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Speaker 2: Gonna I'm gonna narrate a bit for you.
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Speaker 1: Elevator opens to people of large shoulder pads.
20:00
Speaker 2: Nonon finder.
20:01
Speaker 1: We have a lot of passionate looking people.
20:06
Speaker 2: Ordinary great well passion model parating copy of nothing. And
20:13
Speaker 2: then it's the new Jaguar font with jag font. Yeah,
20:18
Speaker 2: I don't remember what were they doing. You used to
20:19
Speaker 2: have a Jaguar like Jaguars are cool.
20:21
Speaker 3: Right, right, and Jaguars are like a sexy car, very
20:27
Speaker 3: like glamorous British. It isn't whatever that was. I don't
20:32
Speaker 3: know what that was. That was some weird artsy oddness.
20:37
Speaker 3: The colors and the shoulder pads and the androgyny and
20:41
Speaker 3: all of that. It's just it's so missed the mark
20:44
Speaker 3: on this moment, but also so missed the mark on
20:47
Speaker 3: the brand. The brand is not that I picture like
20:51
Speaker 3: James Bond smoking a cigarette out of his convertible Jaguar
20:54
Speaker 3: as he you know, rides around and through British isles
20:58
Speaker 3: or whatever. That's that's Jaguar to me.
21:01
Speaker 2: Also, notably, no cars in that ad.
21:05
Speaker 1: It looked to me like a fashion show in the
21:09
Speaker 1: nineties that the sex and the city girls would have
21:12
Speaker 1: gone to see and then made fun of.
21:14
Speaker 2: Right, That's what that looked like to me.
21:17
Speaker 3: And it's more like a spoof, a spoof from Saturday
21:20
Speaker 3: Night Live or something, and it's like.
21:23
Speaker 1: I know they paid a lot of money for this,
21:25
Speaker 1: and I know it was in the pipeline for a while,
21:27
Speaker 1: and then it just happens to be debuted right after
21:32
Speaker 1: this election, when everybody's kind of like, oh, we can
21:34
Speaker 1: all just say that we're done with this now, right,
21:36
Speaker 1: We're done with this. Someone suggested it's because they're switching
21:40
Speaker 1: to like they're going to be selling all EV's and
21:42
Speaker 1: they're going to be super expensive, and I'm like, okay,
21:45
Speaker 1: but like someone already does EV's that are really good
21:49
Speaker 1: and his name is Elon Musk, and I just don't know, Yeah,
21:52
Speaker 1: why why?
21:54
Speaker 3: Right? Why? Why change your entire brand to this? That
21:58
Speaker 3: fund is so horrible. It's like like I don't even
22:01
Speaker 3: know it just it doesn't convey anything. I I'm not
22:04
Speaker 3: a huge design person, but that add and it didn't
22:07
Speaker 3: rub me the wrong way, even woke wise, it rubbed
22:11
Speaker 3: me the wrong way, like product wise, what is this?
22:14
Speaker 3: What am I watching?
22:15
Speaker 1: Well? I think it's just like clearly too many people
22:18
Speaker 1: who don't understand a brand are or the brand's audience
22:22
Speaker 1: are in the room making these decisions and maybe exclusively
22:26
Speaker 1: making these decisions. That was the bud Light issue.
22:29
Speaker 2: Where you end up with like.
22:30
Speaker 1: Oh wait, this is the opposite of our audience.
22:35
Speaker 2: What did we do?
22:36
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the backlash to this
22:39
Speaker 1: stuff is not like we don't care if you're androgynist
22:43
Speaker 1: and wear big shoulder pair, where the pair? If you
22:46
Speaker 1: take over the entire c suite or what have you
22:50
Speaker 1: of every brand we've ever loved and then tell us
22:52
Speaker 1: how much you hate us. I do care about that.
22:55
Speaker 3: That's the part we care about. Yeah, we're going to
22:57
Speaker 3: take a short break and come right back with normally.
23:03
Speaker 3: Another example of this, of course, is the snow White
23:07
Speaker 3: actress made some comments about Trump supporters. And the thing
23:12
Speaker 3: is I wrote about this weirdo snow White readaptation last year.
23:18
Speaker 3: This movie is still not out. This snow White actress
23:21
Speaker 3: continues to make insane comments. What I wrote about her
23:24
Speaker 3: last year was that she basically said she hates the
23:27
Speaker 3: original snow White story. It was like it wasn't I mean, yes,
23:30
Speaker 3: it was woke, like oh, she doesn't need no man
23:32
Speaker 3: to save her, but she was like, oh, the original stories.
23:36
Speaker 3: You know people who love Disney, and I know some
23:39
Speaker 3: real committed Disney fans hate that kind of stuff, and
23:42
Speaker 3: they don't. They might even be on the left, They
23:44
Speaker 3: just don't like you crapping all over a brand that
23:48
Speaker 3: they were really into and telling you that you're bad
23:52
Speaker 3: for liking the original version of that brand. So again,
23:55
Speaker 3: like you said about Jaguar, I'm sure this has been
23:58
Speaker 3: in the I know this has been in the pipes
23:59
Speaker 3: for a while because this is just this run up
24:02
Speaker 3: to this new snow White being released is just years
24:04
Speaker 3: at this point, but this actress just keeps coming out
24:08
Speaker 3: causing a stir and I can't see that movie doing
24:12
Speaker 3: well at all.
24:13
Speaker 1: No, and I think they've had several bites at the
24:15
Speaker 1: Apple no pun intended snow White for this one where
24:19
Speaker 1: I think they recast the dwarves. The dwarves, by the way,
24:22
Speaker 1: are not called dwarves. They're called miners because dwarves might
24:25
Speaker 1: be offensive. And then they made the dwarves cgi because
24:29
Speaker 1: apparently the other way they did it was not okay.
24:33
Speaker 2: There have been so.
24:33
Speaker 1: Many reboots to this reboot that the only thing left
24:37
Speaker 1: in it that's worth watching is going to be the
24:39
Speaker 1: evil queen who is Galgadot, And like, who's there's literally
24:44
Speaker 1: no one fairer than her, So I don't know why
24:46
Speaker 1: we're even having this discussion.
24:48
Speaker 2: So she wins. That's the twist.
24:51
Speaker 3: The evil Queen wins.
24:54
Speaker 1: I think the snow white history of how that movie
24:58
Speaker 1: came together and fell apart is going to be a
25:01
Speaker 1: fascinating one.
25:02
Speaker 2: Whoever writes that book.
25:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also hope, and I've been hoping. Look, I
25:06
Speaker 3: live in Florida. I don't love hating Disney, but I can't.
25:11
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I would not go to the parks. I
25:12
Speaker 3: mean I haven't in a few years. I still wouldn't
25:15
Speaker 3: right now. But I would love to see this all American,
25:19
Speaker 3: you know, storied company turn itself around and say we're
25:23
Speaker 3: done with this nonsense. We're getting back to good storytelling,
25:26
Speaker 3: good acting, good songs, all of that. We're not pushing
25:30
Speaker 3: an agenda anymore. We fired all the people who have
25:33
Speaker 3: were openly saying that they were pushing an agenda, and
25:36
Speaker 3: we're going to go back to basics, ladies and gentlemen,
25:39
Speaker 3: We're going to go back to basics. That's what I
25:41
Speaker 3: want to hear from them. But I don't know. I
25:44
Speaker 3: don't know if and when they're ever going to do that.
25:46
Speaker 3: I hope they don't have to go into full collapse
25:50
Speaker 3: before they're able to turn it around.
25:52
Speaker 2: I do think there are glimmers of hope.
25:54
Speaker 1: But yes, I would like to like not have to
25:56
Speaker 1: screen every Disney movie for in Sandy before I show
25:59
Speaker 1: it to my kid. That's the thing is like all
26:01
Speaker 1: the sid it and forget it options are gone.
26:04
Speaker 2: You guys, we can't trust them.
26:05
Speaker 3: We can't trust them anymore. Yeah, and that's it. Once
26:08
Speaker 3: you break that trust, it's very hard to rebuild. And
26:11
Speaker 3: we used to be able to trust. Disney has the
26:14
Speaker 3: kind of company where we could just leave our kids
26:16
Speaker 3: to watch the movie. We can't do that anymore. And
26:19
Speaker 3: that's where they're going to feel it. That's where they're
26:21
Speaker 3: really going to feel it. In the you know, the pocketbook.
26:24
Speaker 1: A history note by the way, the guy who hosted
26:27
Speaker 1: the special to open Disneyland when it like did its
26:31
Speaker 1: big reveal to the public, Ronald Reagan in uh and
26:36
Speaker 1: his meybe hosting days.
26:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent, Ronald Reagan, he'd be surprised to see what
26:41
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