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Feminist Movie Friday: Inside Out 2 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny A. Smitha and welcome to steff
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  Speaker 1: When Never Told You production of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: We are jumping into our monthly feminist movie Friday. I
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  Speaker 2: think this Man should have been a spoiler Saturday as
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  Speaker 2: it was only released in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 3: Really, so yeah, no.
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  Speaker 1: We're a little or filings like so long ago when
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  Speaker 1: I first saw this.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think the original in that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: So here's your warning.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to start talking about the movie, and we're
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  Speaker 2: going through the themes of inside Out too, and the
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  Speaker 2: looks of adolescents and teenage mental health and mental health overall.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, this was released in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: I think the first one was released like twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: so there's a giant Yeah, let me double check before
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  Speaker 2: I tell you all that in my lie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I am right.
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  Speaker 2: So it took up to almost ten years for them
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  Speaker 2: to come out with the second one, and I kind
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  Speaker 2: of maybe that's why I forgot the first one a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, because we're not going to talk about Inside Out.
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  Speaker 2: The first one, which does follow the same young lady,
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  Speaker 2: young person Riley when they move, when she moves, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of sadness and fields.
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  Speaker 3: I remember being really sad.
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  Speaker 1: I saw that in theaters by myself. Oh no, and
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you, every adult in the house was
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  Speaker 1: crying and all the kids were just like, this is
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  Speaker 1: so fun, but every adult.
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  Speaker 2: The underlying theme of like most animations, I think, is
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  Speaker 2: kids not really understanding, although I feel like some kids
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  Speaker 2: do understand, because I still have feels of certain movies.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, why would they do this to me? Right,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not as outright nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like so.
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  Speaker 2: Today, like we're like, oh no, this is for adults
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  Speaker 2: and we're all dying. Like the Robot movie, everybody like
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  Speaker 2: crying what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, Well Wally is one of those no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, Like it's not mister Robot, my robot
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  Speaker 2: or something Robot, I Robot. There you go, people talking
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  Speaker 2: about how they broke down, growl men talking about them
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  Speaker 2: breaking down.
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  Speaker 3: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of feels. So this is probably another
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  Speaker 2: reason I don't like animation, because I'm like, they get
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  Speaker 2: too deep somehow. What should be a children's thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well they have it down to a formula. I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I did hear that? Tell me that formula
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  Speaker 3: though I forgot.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, the formula is basically, you have about an
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  Speaker 1: hour and thirty minutes generally to capture child's attention. And
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  Speaker 1: so they are just very specific beats that happen. Usually
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  Speaker 1: there's something dramatic or sad that happens in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's some like the before the resolution, there's
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  Speaker 1: some kind of real upsetting traumatic said, and this is
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  Speaker 1: probably where you're gonna cry. The third that part is
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  Speaker 1: at the moment, yeah, before the resolution. But it is
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  Speaker 1: a specific formula because they know how much time they
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  Speaker 1: have a lotted.
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  Speaker 3: So just a fun fact in this.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, we're talking about this because it is a
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  Speaker 2: Disability of Pride month, and we're talking a little more
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  Speaker 2: about the invisible disabilities or mental health disabilities such as
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  Speaker 2: diagnosis of anxiety, depression and all those things that you
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  Speaker 2: can necessarily see just from looking on the outside. And
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  Speaker 2: then we're talking about puberty, which can help exacerbate any
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  Speaker 2: of these things or maybe even push forward some of
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  Speaker 2: these things that may not have risen previously. And as
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  Speaker 2: in fact, this month we are also going to be
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  Speaker 2: talking about perimenopause and menopause, mentioning a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: periods and how that can be a big component in
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  Speaker 2: some of the comobilities that are really dangerous, like it
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  Speaker 2: comes to a dangerous point because of the way it's
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  Speaker 2: exacerbated by hormones. With that in mind, yes, we are
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  Speaker 2: talking about mental health, including anxiety, puberty, and a brief
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  Speaker 2: mention of sexual abuse molestation. We're not going dee deep
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  Speaker 2: into it, but we are going to mention it. There's
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  Speaker 2: your content warning if this is too much, because sometimes
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  Speaker 2: for me, just talking about it causes my heart to
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  Speaker 2: raise a little more.
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask, did the depiction of anxiety in
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  Speaker 1: this get to you?
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  Speaker 2: I had a moment where I kind of had to
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  Speaker 2: look away. There was a couple of days because you
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  Speaker 2: also know my embarrassments, the.
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  Speaker 1: Fact that I.
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  Speaker 3: Was not okay, Yeah, that was rough. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh no, oh, I can't, I can't, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a few things that I had to have,
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  Speaker 2: like a moment to step by and I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: won't watch this again probably, but I understand that this
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  Speaker 2: can be a good tool, especially for parents navigating these things.
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  Speaker 2: But excite note here before we start, because we're going
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  Speaker 2: to jump into the plot really quick. This Pixar movie
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  Speaker 2: mark the first time they had it scored by a woman,
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  Speaker 2: Andrea Dutsman, so like she was the first to do
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  Speaker 2: the op Pixar, which is ridiculous. I've been meaning to
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  Speaker 2: do this episode for a while. We need to talk
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  Speaker 2: about women and scoring really, Okay, Yeah, because it has
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  Speaker 2: taken a long time in the music world, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like we should probably talk about composers and like all
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  Speaker 2: those levels of professional Like we don't really talk about
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  Speaker 2: it any music stuff outside of like specific artists, so
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  Speaker 2: we should definitely delve into that.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, that's on your list. Any Okay, it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first production that has featured a score
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  Speaker 2: by a woman, so that is great. I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: it took to twenty twenty four, but you know, celebrate
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  Speaker 2: where we can.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, moving on, but yes.
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  Speaker 2: This movie was released in twenty twenty four and has
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  Speaker 2: the amazing Amy Poehler back as Joy, Tony Hill as Fear,
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  Speaker 2: Lewis Blue as Anger, Phyllis Smith as sadness E, Liza
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  Speaker 2: Lapira as Discussed, which was previously voiced by Mindy Kayling.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure it must be a conflict or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: but has now been replaced, and all of them except
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  Speaker 2: for Tony Hill and Liza de Para were from the
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  Speaker 2: original Inside Out. I think, Andy, you just told me
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  Speaker 2: that Bill Hayter was FIAR originally and now taking over.
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  Speaker 3: By Tony Hill again. It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I've seen this, but
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  Speaker 2: this time it includes Anxiety voiced by Maya Hawk, Envy
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  Speaker 2: by aoadbris On, we By voice by Adele Exacha Polos,
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  Speaker 2: and Paul walter Hauser as Embarrassment, who only has a
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  Speaker 2: small amount speaking line because it's a lot of yes,
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  Speaker 2: I did love hims. I did love hims. So let's
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  Speaker 2: get into the plot. So we see Riley again, this
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  Speaker 2: time voiced by Kensington Talman, and she is now a teenager.
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  Speaker 2: She has grown up to be a wonderful young girl
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  Speaker 2: with friends Grace and Brie, and all three of them
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  Speaker 2: are on the hockey team and very good.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Together they.
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  Speaker 2: Are an amazing force and able to win the hockey
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  Speaker 2: championship game. There they meet the high school hockey coach
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  Speaker 2: who invites them to a summer hockey camp, a three
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  Speaker 2: day camp by the way. During this time, we see
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  Speaker 2: that Riley gets a penalty for tripping and it is
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  Speaker 2: put into a penalty box. And that's one of those
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  Speaker 2: memories that kind of like haunts her, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: And that's one of the memories that Joy takes and
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  Speaker 2: puts to the back.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a minute.
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  Speaker 2: So as she is getting ready for this hockey camp,
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  Speaker 2: we see that puberty is about to hit Joy, who
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  Speaker 2: has been at the helm of working the emotional board
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  Speaker 2: and helping Riley throughout her life. We find out that
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  Speaker 2: Joy has been helping Riley compartmentalize her thoughts and memories,
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  Speaker 2: especially the ones that are sad, embarrassing, or something that
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  Speaker 2: could be upsetting, which she shoots into the back of
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  Speaker 2: the mind saying keep the best, toss the rest, use
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  Speaker 2: the amy polar voice.
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  Speaker 3: I do not have it.
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  Speaker 2: She and the crew have been working well together, are
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  Speaker 2: keeping Riley in a good spot, even building up persons
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  Speaker 2: of self, which is center around Riley being a quote
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  Speaker 2: good person, so we'll hear her say I'm a good person.
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  Speaker 2: We have a really cute scene between Sadness and Joy
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  Speaker 2: where they hold hands together to travel to that river.
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  Speaker 2: Is it's a river which it contains a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the memories that helped build her who she is. But
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  Speaker 2: the alarm bells ring and we find out purbity has
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  Speaker 2: hit and every emotion is take it up a notch
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  Speaker 2: and exaggerate it, so whenever they hit them an emotion,
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's times ten.
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  Speaker 3: And then some we didn see.
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  Speaker 2: Some new emotions come through, anxiety, embarrassment, envy, and on
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  Speaker 2: weik which, by the way, I had to figure out
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  Speaker 2: how to say, I'm we I was gonna have you
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  Speaker 2: clip in, but I figured it out any which, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, is quote a feeling of utter weariness and
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  Speaker 2: discontent resulting in boredom or a lack of interest. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you Dictionary dot Com, because I definitely had to figure
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  Speaker 2: that out too. As they try to navigate the new emotions,
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  Speaker 2: we see quickly that anxiety has come to take over
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  Speaker 2: and things start to escalate as we all find out
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  Speaker 2: with Riley that her two best friends, Grace and Brie,
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  Speaker 2: will not be attending the same high school as rally Oo,
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  Speaker 2: causing for a lot of emotions. As they arrive to
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  Speaker 2: the camp, Riley meets Val, one of the best hockey
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  Speaker 2: players on the high school team. There, she struggles in
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  Speaker 2: trying to impress her, which is the embarrassing thing which
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  Speaker 2: I really was cringing hard. It hurts, It hurts, and
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  Speaker 2: whether she would stay with her friends throughout the camp
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  Speaker 2: or try to be cool with the high schoolers from.
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  Speaker 3: Her new school that she'll be attending.
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  Speaker 2: So she knows that she's going to be alone, so
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  Speaker 2: she's trying to figure out how to make friends essentially. Also,
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  Speaker 2: we see that anxiety has a way of seeing possible
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  Speaker 2: outcomes of different scenarios, which all seem to be leading
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  Speaker 2: down a shaky path.
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  Speaker 3: They're not good.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the scenarios are not good. Just why I
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  Speaker 2: Soon we see that anxiety no longer believes that Joy
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  Speaker 2: can handle it and takes her and the other original emotions,
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  Speaker 2: jar them up, and puts them away in the vault
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  Speaker 2: of secrets and shame that includes past children's shows, video
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  Speaker 2: game characters, and a deep dark secret which is a monster.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently he's like, I don't want to talk about it literally,
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, the children's show is like a
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  Speaker 2: t move version of Blues Clues.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and the video game character that's the video game yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like Soul caliber level.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot about that about you?
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  Speaker 2: I thought about you like that went to that she
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  Speaker 2: kind of does has like I loved him and then
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  Speaker 2: realized he wasn't great type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but I forgot he was in there, and I
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  Speaker 1: was very happy.
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  Speaker 3: To have that come back power move was fantastic. Them
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  Speaker 3: actually playing the game made me laugh a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I had a character like that. I chose that. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, not very good, but I was like, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Cute so much, He's so mind I love him forever
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 2: Soon they're able to get free thanks to the help
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  Speaker 2: of those shameful things. They're able to get free and
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  Speaker 2: try to go back to rescue Riley's emotions, which has
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  Speaker 2: turned kind of mean and dark. Anxiety has taken Riley's
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  Speaker 2: sense of self in this current were, replacing them to
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  Speaker 2: a nuisance of self. She's like, we got to make
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  Speaker 2: our new a different self. We find out that the
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  Speaker 2: anxiety is trying to get Riley to think about her
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  Speaker 2: future without her friends and what she needs to do
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  Speaker 2: to be cool with her new friends, changing her mantra
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  Speaker 2: from I'm a good person to I'm not good enough,
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  Speaker 2: causing Riley to make some questionable decisions, including using sarcasm,
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  Speaker 2: which I really enjoyed staying up all night practicing and
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  Speaker 2: even breaking into the coach's office to read the infamous
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  Speaker 2: Red Book, which states that she is not ready, which
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  Speaker 2: does not.
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  Speaker 3: Help that at all. Never read the books.
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  Speaker 2: All the while, Joy and the rest of the emotions
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  Speaker 2: are trying to retrieve Riley's old sense of self. To
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  Speaker 2: help her, Joy revisits some of the old memories that
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  Speaker 2: she tried to push back, and sideplot, we have Sadness
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  Speaker 2: going back to the station to help bring back Joy
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  Speaker 2: and the other emotions back to take control of Riley's
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  Speaker 2: mind and emotions.
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  Speaker 3: So Sadness is doing their own thing. She kind of
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  Speaker 3: has a connection with embarrassment.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and did you know I did not put this
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  Speaker 1: together until my rewatch is called headquarters?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, sinner heads in her head headquarters.
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  Speaker 2: So good, all right, Well, well now I'll go back
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  Speaker 2: to saying headquarters, and I'll go back now I'll start
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  Speaker 2: saying headquarters. As anxiety keeps going, it begins to spiral,
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  Speaker 2: causing chaos in the headquarters. We also see the workstation
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  Speaker 2: of the imagination team working with the worst case scenario
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  Speaker 2: for anxiety, which Joy is able to stop and bring
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  Speaker 2: back the imagination as it was supposed to be talking about.
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  Speaker 2: There was a horse, so there was a cat in there,
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  Speaker 2: a cute kit like this. It's the nice things, giving
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of calm because Riley was wrecked with
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  Speaker 2: all these anxiety dreams essentially keeping her awake scenarios.
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  Speaker 3: We've all been there, Yes, we've all been there.
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  Speaker 2: Soon we have Joy and the other emotions able to
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  Speaker 2: come back with the help of sadness, embarrassment, and the pouch,
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  Speaker 2: the TMU version of the backpack.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the blues clues back back. The pouch is
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  Speaker 1: the equivalent, and for.
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  Speaker 2: Some reason he has dynamite tons and tons yes anyway,
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  Speaker 2: So with that.
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  Speaker 3: They do get back and again.
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  Speaker 2: Embarrassment and sadness also helped, but it seems like it
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  Speaker 2: might be too late, as anxiety is causing an anxiety
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  Speaker 2: attack in Riley, who who has been playing so intensely
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  Speaker 2: in hockey matches to impress her coach that she hurts
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  Speaker 2: her own friend and is put into the penalty box.
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  Speaker 2: But soon Joy is able to stop anxiety by telling her,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we need to let her go, but not
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  Speaker 2: the anxiety attack that keeps going. She realizes that she
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  Speaker 2: has also been hurting Riley's growth with her suppressing all
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  Speaker 2: the bad memories, so she allows all the memories to
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  Speaker 2: grow together to help Rilly's new sense of self. And
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  Speaker 2: with that, Riley is able to reconcile with her friends
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  Speaker 2: who came to check on her because they realized what
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  Speaker 2: was happening, and make new friends as well at her
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  Speaker 2: new school. And I was really glad that it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a bullying situation. I was kind of concerned, but it wasn't,
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  Speaker 2: and it made me happy about that. With her new
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  Speaker 2: friends comforting her saying even if she didn't make the
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  Speaker 2: hockey team this year, she would be there next year
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  Speaker 2: and everything would be okay. And she agreed and understood
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  Speaker 2: that concept. The ending, we watch all the emotions working
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  Speaker 2: in harmony together and we see Riley get a new
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  Speaker 2: message on her phone that makes her smile.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, maybe she did make the team. We
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  Speaker 3: don't know. End of story.
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  Speaker 2: Something that I didn't mention here is we also get
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  Speaker 2: to see the mother as she is confronting Riley with
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  Speaker 2: our paberty and her headquarters coming popping up and talking
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  Speaker 2: about all the things.
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  Speaker 3: They like, We've prepared for this, we can handle this,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, it was super cute.
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  Speaker 1: We do get to see intil a lot of other
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  Speaker 1: people's headquarters because you also see into Grayson breeze.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do when they're like, she knows, she knows,
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  Speaker 3: we're hiding something, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because they were afraid to tell Riley that they were
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  Speaker 1: going to a different school, and then you see her
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  Speaker 1: Dad's what you also did see in the in the
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  Speaker 1: first one, which it was kind of interesting because he
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's happening, and there are
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  Speaker 1: all the other turn on the sports game.
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  Speaker 2: It is. Uh, there's a lot to pick through, and
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  Speaker 2: we are going to have a big conversation about all
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  Speaker 2: of the themes, at least like in some of these themes,
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  Speaker 2: like the mental health level as well. We are going
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  Speaker 2: to be using some articles that I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: to put all of them out so you know what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about, because there's some like real big conversations
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  Speaker 2: in adolescents and teenagers and their growth when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to mental health and understanding their own mental health.
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  Speaker 3: It also talks about our.
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  Speaker 2: Own way of handling things and what we see as
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  Speaker 2: good or bad, and I think that's a great conversation
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  Speaker 2: with that We're going to start with the theme of
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  Speaker 2: childhood friends, because this one hit me hard. Any I
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  Speaker 2: think I've talked about this before, like what happens when
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  Speaker 2: they move away? When when the scenario so for her,
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  Speaker 2: Riley was so excited they're going to high school together
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  Speaker 2: and at least they'll be a front and be able
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  Speaker 2: to do this team and go together as a team
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  Speaker 2: and maybe doing these things. And then she finds out,
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  Speaker 2: which I was a little mad at the friends that
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  Speaker 2: they waited to tell her and the two of them
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  Speaker 2: knew versus her, Like that's felt hurtful just as an outsider.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that they're not going to be at
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  Speaker 2: a school with her, so essentially they're moving away because
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  Speaker 2: she won't be able to see them every day, things
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  Speaker 2: are going to change, They're going to be rivals.
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  Speaker 1: So what happens, Well, yeah, and I do think them
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  Speaker 1: telling her right before they got to the camp was
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  Speaker 1: not a great situation to find that out in. But
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: also if I had been in that situation, unfair or not,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: I would have been hurt that they would have gotten
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to be together, right, but I would be alone. So
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: at least the two of them had each other. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I'm being thrown into a situation where it's just me.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: And it's interesting because a lot of times I watch
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: these movies and I think, how deep am I going here?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, from the first one, she also moved, yeah
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and lost a friend, like she had hard time keeping
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: up with a friend. And so I think that for Riley,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: she was seeing this playing out again, like she'd made
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: new friends, she'd found her place, and then things were
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: once again changing and she anxiety comes in and tells her,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you know what you gotta do. You got to make
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: new friends again. Like it's a like I don't want
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: to say trauma response, maybe that's too much, but like
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: she's seen this before.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Right right, No, So like personally, as an adolescent, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of my friends moved away. First of all,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I was pulled out from a country and placed into
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a new country that had no idea what was about,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: didn't the language, so everything was different, everything was new.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: If the abandonment had a picture of.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Something of me as a child, because that's what I knew,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: like all the things between being placed in the orphanage,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: between being yanked into another place, trying to figure out
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: what was happening, trying to just survive and then having.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Those friends, and then those friends move away.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: So literally, like my best friend moved away in second grade,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: made a new best friend fourth grade, moved away, made
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: a new best friend fifth grade. She was placed in
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: foster care because she was in an abuse of the situation,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: which that was a whole different conversation because we were
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: we had so much in common, is why we were
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: best friends.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And then she left and I was like, well.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: So there was there was so much to that, but
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: like it felt like a death every time to me,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I felt like I was mourning a friendship every time,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and even sticks with me obviously till to this day,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: because it was something that I just people just left.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: People I trusted left and of course it was not
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: their fault. Their parents moved and had to take them
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: with them, and we were still children, but as children,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: it was really impactful. It said a lot because it
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: changed my whole social circle system, Like what was something
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that I had trusted and like put my faith in,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: essentially because for even until I think maybe even n
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: till to day, my found family, even though I had
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: a new family, I did not trust that family in
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: comparison to my found family. That people I could choose
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and to really rely on and like even if I lied,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: even if I did something ridiculous, they were able to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: be there for me, you know. And so having them
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: ripped away and starting over felt like a loss of death,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: especially for a young person not understanding what was happening.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: So when this happens, it felt like a betrayal, especially
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: again the fact that it was both of them together.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: She was the one being left out, essentially left behind,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and that's really really scary. So yeah, I think that
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in it with the fact that it's abandonment and fair
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: kick in, that's exactly what happened. She knew that she
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: was going to be alone, and the anxieties one thing
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: constantly is like, we have to make sure she's not alone.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to look at the future. We
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: have to prepare for every future whatever could go wrong.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Here is Val, here's someone you look up to prepare
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: for the future. And you have to leave your your friends,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Grace and Breede behind, right because they are not going
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to be in your life anymore. That's what anxiety is
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: telling you.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: You're literally like this done.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: This is from the Conversation dot Com in their article
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: about the inside out too, and all the looks into
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: the mental health aspect and they write a big driver
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: to Riley's anxiety is a fear that she could have
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: no friends in high school.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: This is a reasonable thing to worry about.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Peer relationships become increasingly important in adolescents and teenage experience.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: The friendships are linked to our well being, and that's
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: exactly correct. I don't think unfortunately my parents who are
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: trying to navigate my unusualness to begin with, because they
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: just didn't understand the types of drama that I had
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: gone through such. Also they didn't understand about things like
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: reactive attachment disorder and such. But with that, like it is,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it develops who you are and especially how you handle
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: things later in life. Like this is kind of that
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: core of like, the people you hang with really bring
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: out something in you, and whether it's good or bad.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: We've seen this in different aspects. It could be tragic,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: or it could be amazing, and or it could just
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: be a life lesson. And the constant overturning of friends
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: is pretty traumatic.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It is because there are people you go to who
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: are your age, who are in theory experiencing something similar
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, because you're going to school together. We
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: talked about this in our friendship episodes about why friendships
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: seem to drift apart with college because you're no longer
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: kind of every day seeing each other having many similar experiences.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: But in that time time when you're all going through
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: these things that you might understand and might not feel
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: comfortable talking to other people about, your friends are really
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: important in that right and having that person or people
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: who you can go to and have these honest conversations
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: with and have them reciprocate. Yeah, when you lose that's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that's huge.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: That's traumatic.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So that was obviously a big theme in there, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: are trying to navigate that loss essentially. But then you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: have on top of that puberty, like literally coming into
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: all of these emotions, understanding your body, trying to figure
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: out what's going on, the hyperactiveness of like what is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: happening within your body, whether it's your thoughts racing, whether
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it's your body hurting, like I was in pain.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I was in pain. So this is from the psychiatry
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: podcast dot Com.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: They write one of the central themes of inside Out
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Too is the emotional upheople that accompanies at a lessons
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: as Riley transitions from childhood to our teenage years, we
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: witnessed the introduction of new emotions anxiety in the embarrassment
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and on we we reflect the increasingly complex emotional landscape
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: teens must navigate. The emotional expansion is chaotic but essential
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to the development of internal adolescens. Yeah, and it kind
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: of grows into that level of like everything is happening.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I will say, I feel like my anxiety helped before puberty,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: but sure was definitely exacerbated by puberty as well as
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: like in ving embarrassment. Embarrassment haunted me as a child.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I remember as a second grader, this first grader. I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: just this memory will haunt me forever. Is that I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: had been at a football game, me being my cocky self,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like trying to hang out with kids. A teenager obviously
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a high schooler had been there and she had talked
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: to me previously and was really nice to me, and
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I was like okay, and I found her again.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, hey, how are you?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: And I did like this second grader and she's like, uh,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: what do you want? And it was so embarrassing, like
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: because she was so mean to me. After the Yeah,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, and I ran away. That
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: has haunted me, that interaction, and that was from the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: first or second grade.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. I agree with you. I also
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: suffered much embarrassment earlier than this. I think with the point.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I think that in the context of the movie, they're
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: trying to say, once you sort of get to that
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: adolescent period, like joy feels you shouldn't experience joy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, everything's a little embarrassed.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah I'm not because I think you're correct, but I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: think in the context of the movie, yeah, they're trying
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to say, when you get to this period, it's not
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: cool to be happy, it's cool to be bored. Oh yes,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: but you're also so embarrassed by what your body is
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: doing and you feel really awkward.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, awkward may be the better word.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Like if you're feeling like everything's a little awkward, your
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: parents are especially embarrassing. Once upon a time they were
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the best thing and then hung alone. Okay, Okay, I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: get you, because I'm like, look, I remember my embarrassing situations.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's just me.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Another article from that psychiatry podcast, I say adolescent is
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: all about the evolution of identity, the new emotions, anxiety,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and the embarrassments are particularly powerful because they represent a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: teenagers increasing awareness of how they're perceived by others, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that maybe be the like joyfully being able to play
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and not care about what other kids thought and wanting
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to be like the other kids again. And I remember,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: like in first grade, though I loved pickles and my
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: friends didn't.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: My mom brought me pickles. It's like, I don't like that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Try to pretend like I didn't like it, yeah, because
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: of my friends didn't, and my mom was like what okay?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: And I was like so embarrassed trying to be cool.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe I was just real ridiculous as a kid, but yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: like in the in general, like being perceived well by others,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: like her not want to correct val when she said
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you're from.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Is that Michigan?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: She says Michigan.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well she's actually from Minnesota. And so her not
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: correcting her and potential again and then someone asked them more,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh god, I gotta lie.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Was the answer? Was the answer?
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: She said? What does she say? All over?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: All over? And you're like and they accepted it. That
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: was my favorite.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: They're like, okay, cool, cool, I will say as she
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: navigates this. By the end of the movie, she has
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: finally corrected them and they call her Michigan now instead
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of Minnesota. I mean they call it Minnesota now instead
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: of Michigan. So I was like, Okay, she got that
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: figured out. But it is kind of funny like that level, like.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: How do we react, how are we what is cool?
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And what is it cool?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Which I just recently had a situation. We went to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: a friend of our friend of the show, Holly's party,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and boy did I not do it right.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't get that vibe, but I understand feeling that vibe,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna take that away from you. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: also was like, let me just look at these Star
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Wars toys over here.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: The way we were trying to figure this out did
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: not go well.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: This way.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: This is why it don't come out and me strangers.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So that was I honestly say, more me than anybody else.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: But it's fine.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: But with that, of course, we also have the Wrecking
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Ball scene, which was kind of funny and perfect because
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: as they're trying to change and update the machine update headquarters, which.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Joy does not like. She was like, what are y'all doing?
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: What are y'all doing leave my buttons be then comes
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: the wrecking ball to come and like do all these
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: new replacements, And I feel like that's pretty much this,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: like that swift emotional change that feels like comes into puberty.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, it also feels like it hits you,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: especially like when I was going through the full level
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: of a period, the random I'm like, oh, this happened,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: whether it's a headache, whether it was like a mood,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: or whether it was like oh that made or when wow,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I thought so anxious and this is what I was like.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I do remember being so specially anxious during those PMS
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: times and being frightened by how bad things were and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: then having to remind myself, Oh, like the minute like
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the period was started, I'd be like, oh that's oh,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: that's what that is. Like. It does feel like a
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: damn breaking ball. It feels like it's just completely taking
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: over your world.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't think we talked about it en
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: not before. We've discussed this on the show before, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I legitimately thought you only had one period and I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: would send your life. Yeah, So I was on set.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: If I can get through this, one'd be nice. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and when you're coming back to the idea of friendship
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and how important it is. I had had my period
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: first before any of my friends. They all call me
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: when they got it, and I'm giving this terrible advice
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: because I what why, I know, but I'm like, well,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: in the showers sometimes it is it feels okay, you're
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: gonna see some blood, but it's okay. Like it was
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: just having those friends that you can talk to about
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: these things because we don't talk about it sidely. But yeah,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: no adolescents. In my experience and in many of my
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: friends experience, it did come in like a wrecking ball.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It did. Yeah, I did not get a celebration that
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: some of the girls do.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah about that before? Yeah, No, I didn't get that either.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I'm interested if ane listeners. Did y'all get a celebration
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: for your period? First period? Like I remember the Cosby show.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: That's the one that I remember the most. I think
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: it's I can't remember which.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Character is it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Lisa who gets her period and her mom who's a
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: lawyer but her dad's a doctor, we know, and she
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: gets her period and so her mom wants to celebrate
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: with her, take her out for shopping and whatever, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: be like, because you're turning into a woman, which is
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a whole different context of misinformation that we need to
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: have a conversation about because that's sexualizing young woman way
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: too early.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: But she does.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: She comes in and talks about how she looks like
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: she's got hips, you know, voting with her friends about that,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: and then like then like having that moment and then
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: her mom having to correct her, be like you need
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to watch out for your attitude type of thing. But
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: again that celebration, right, is what I remember from The
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Cosby Show. The Cosby Show lied to us.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you have fear it's gonna everyone will know. Yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: stay in my clothes. Yeah hurts.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Staying your clothes.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: But this is from another Actually we have a little
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: bit of from doctor Lisa da Moore, who was the
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: advisor for the show.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I mean she is a psychologist.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Actually has her own podcast called Ask Lisa and it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: doctor Lisa Damore dot com.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: We should have her on the show one damy, we
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: have a crossover. Who knows, But she was.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: One of the people who was an advisor for the show,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: talking about different mental health stuff for adolescents and teenagers
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and This is one.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Of the things that she says in the podcast.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: We talked about anxiety and its healthy and unhealthy forms,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and I think this is something that the movie gets
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: so right. That is a typical and expectable emotion that
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: was very valuable actually protective qualities for us, but it
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: could also tip over into being disruptive and unhelpful. We
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: talked about professionalism and its management. That was something that
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: one of the conversations that really stick with me, and
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: it's fun to see how it played out in the film.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: When we talked about just the destabilization that comes with
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: becoming a teenager. So in general, she's talking about anxiety
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: about whether it can be good and bad and that
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: there is a tipping point, but she's talking about the
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: fact that it is a destabilization that comes with becoming
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a teenager, the shaking, the changes where things feel like
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: it can matter in different ways, what it becomes, and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: again like not to take it down the dark road,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: but over sexualizing young girls due to things like this
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and this type of process and what that does for
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: young teenagers trying to just come into themselves. I will
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: say inside out. I think didn't obviously approach puberty as
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: a physiological thing as much as like the emotional and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: psychological part of it, which was interesting, which is a
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: different take in itself.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: It is a Pixar movie, so it's hard to explain periods.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I think the only thing they did was that she smelled.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: She had like her armpits you need to do the overnight.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: She had huge emotions and just a really bad smell,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: which was an interesting take. And again the mom was
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the one that recognized what was happening. I wouldn't have
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: minded seen a little more, like, at least a conversation
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: because sometimes, as we talked about, parents aren't the ones
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that tell us television and friends are. And it could
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: have been an interesting moment. I don't know how they
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: would navigate it, but to address some of those things too,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: But you know, it is what it is. But yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: so it is talking about just the destabilization in general
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: of your personality. You feel like everything's extra and nothing
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: is okay and everything is chaos, and then you have
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: things like the friends moving away and you're like, oh,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: that's too much.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and then also it's purity. You can hit
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: your friends at different times. Yeah, so I feel like
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is true, but I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: feel like in my experience, a lot of my friends
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: experience like I had the period first, but they experienced whatever,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like we need to change the kind of thing like
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: we're being too childish. Oh yeah, way before I did.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: And so that can feel destabilizing too, of Yeah, they
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: are changing so fast. Is there something wrong with me?
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Why, I need to catch up those kinds of thoughts.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: There's a lot to that, including the fact anxiety which
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: is what you start talking about in your own self
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and trying to jump into. And that is another theme
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: of obviously the introduction of true anxiety, new anxieties and
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the switch from I'm a good person to I'm not
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: good enough And I think that's such a killer, Like
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that's a statement of itself, that the side of anxiety
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: was using that as a motivator, like use these bad
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: things as a way to get out and stay out
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of those bad moments. Going to another podcast, psychiatrypodcast dot com,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: they write this, By the end of inside Out, the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: theme of emotional and integration is fully realized as different
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: emotions coexist and contribute to Riley's sense of self. Ssmeter's
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: real life where core believes like I'm a good person
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm not good enough often sits side by side.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: In Riley's case, her anxiety invertently leads to the emergence
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of a new critical belief, I'm not good enough. These
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: conflicting beliefs co exist within all of us, shaping our identity.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: The tension between positive and negative self perception is a
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: normal part of emotional development, especially during adolescens when identity
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: formation becomes more complex. So it's that level of the
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: two coexisting. Can they coexist? And obviously they can, because
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: we definitely feel that whether we call it imposter syndrome
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: now or whether we call it whatever, and in its
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: form of like not being good enough, not having enough education,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: finding all the reasons why you can't do it instead
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of all the reasons that you can do it. And
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: also one of the big things for me is if
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not perfect at it, I'm not doing it, yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: which is a bas saying levels because I'm not good enough,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going for it. If i can't do it immediately,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not into it. Interestingly enough, I just had a
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: conversation with someone talking about how I have performance anxiety,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: and just in general anxiety.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: But because they see me teach and I'm very vocal
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: like in Zumba, they didn't believe me.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's a reason I didn't start doing
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: this till in my mid forties, and it took me
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to this long to know that I could actually do this.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it took me for other people to tell
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: me that I could do this.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And it is definitely something that is taught and can
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: be balanced. I think humility is often confused with low
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: self esteem. Yeah, and it's inter used, don't you think. Yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I definitely agree. I think that, especially watching this movie.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I was struck by.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Is that Riley I just never had this experience. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: imagine you didn't either. But she was working so hard
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: to get on this hockey team like she would and
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: she was so good like she was. They'll focus in
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: on her footwork and I'm like, yeah, I can't do
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: this and I have no desire to do this. So
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but you know, having her
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: in her mind say like I'm not good enough and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: always always always pushing that. I do think there's a
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: difference between having that thought that comes from a really
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: negative place and then having kind of a journey of Okay,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: I actually am and I can I can do this
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: because the movie makes very clear like all of her
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: this is all coming from anxiety. Anxiety is planting all
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: of these things to make her think that. Mm hmmm,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I think there's a difference between having anxiety
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that's based on on that versus I don't know this
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: is a new undertaking, right, and I don't know about
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it right, because she clearly was really good at hockey,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: right right, you know.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: In fact, the Psychiatry podcast kind of talks about that
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: in a.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Way like this.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: They say, anxiety's attempt to build a better Riley, as
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: seen when she launches Riley's course, sends itself to the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: back of the mind. Illustrates the danger of allowing anxious
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: thoughts to reshape one's identity.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: So instead of.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Being like, I'm a good person and I'm good at this,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: because she knew how good she was with her the
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: three of them, maybe that's part of the problem, is
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: like she thought of it as the three of them,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: which could be a thing.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: But then this new shaping.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Has this level of anxiety that's like throws that out
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: and let's reshape you, rebuild you.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: We can make it better. You're good.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: We're gonna make it even better. And the article goes on.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: As Nancy McWilliams, I believe that's a psychiatrist has often
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: pointed out, anxiety can destroy the self concept, leading individuals
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to construct identities based on external pressure rather than authentic
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: desires and values. So you've created a new image of
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: yourself that is based on what everybody, you think everybody
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: is thinking of you, like that whole like observation of
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the eyebrow lift, or her just looking at her, or
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: like whatever whatnot. Like that in itself really did build
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a different level of self identity, and it had everything
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to do with anxiety building up that core and with
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: another PSI child dot org PSI Schi dot org.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry if I said that wrong.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: They write, along with the turbulences of adolescens and with
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: a brief appearance in inside Out, Inside Out two gives
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: anxiety a center role in Riley's emotional experience, Although the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: emotions that are portrayed in inside Out can become exaggerated, inappropriate, uncontrollable,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and disruptive to Riley's daily and social functioning some of
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the defining characteristics of mental disorders. Riley manages just to
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: keep them all in check and none develops into pathology
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: proportions inside out too, seems to change the narrative as
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: anxiety can represent the budding sees of potentially evolving psychological disorders.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So there is a lot of conversation of what this
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: could mean and the different diagnosis. I've seen conversations in
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the autism world in reference to Riley again with anxiety
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: disorders again happening with Riley, Like there's those different levels
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and any and I We've talked about this, especially when
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: it comes to disability Pride month. There are many people
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: who identify maybe as having a specific neurodivergent diagnosis but
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: never been diagnosed, and then other people doing it for them,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: like fictional characters saying, this person obviously is in the
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: spectrum or on this level, and we don't like ourselves,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: we don't do that. That's not a thing we think
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: that is appropriate unless it is actually stated by the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: individual or like the people who created these characters, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: it's noted to be normally divergent or on some type
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: of DSM five level of diagnosis. That has been categorized
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: by the individual as well as whomever.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Then we're not we're not going to talk about it.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: So this guy, we're not going to say that necessarily
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: about Riley because we don't see that being noted. But
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: we have seen the community talking about it on a
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: different level and welcoming those conversations because it is again
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: once and again talking about how any of these diagnosis,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: any of these neurodivergent diagnoses, is functionable. There's nothing inherently
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: wrong in these things, and so we want to be
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: able to uplift those same voices. But here we're not
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: necessarily talking about that type of diagnosis necessarily. If one
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: day so one of the carric creators come out and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: say yes, actually, then we will celebrate with that. But
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: it is interesting to see how we see the continual changes.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So when we see one type of emotions growing into
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the next level of emotions, which can be like tipped
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to a different route, is the best way I'm gonna
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: say it, that is something that we need to know
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and that is what we are seeing, especially as we
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: talk about anxiety and then the panic attack. Again we'll
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: come out to that in just a second. But the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: way the same site or interpreted in this movie. They said,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Pixar's integration of anxiety into Riley's developing personality, the portrayal
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of her struggle, and the emphasis on her efforts develop
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: coping skills which help her keep her anxiety somewhat at bay,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: is truly inspiring. Although anxiety can be a maladaptive emotion,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: inside out too portrays it as potentially protective mechanism which
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: helps Riley develop self awareness, resilience, and strategic and strategic thinking. Specifically,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: at the end of the movie, anxiety works alongside Riley's
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: other emotions, helping her to build a stronger sense of self.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: And I think that's definitely that conversation we've talked about anxiety, Annie,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I'll talk about your anxiety specifically where you are over prepared.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: But that is so nice for the others with you
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: because you do come prepared and people know that they
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: can rely on that on you. And then we know
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: also because whether you're passionate about it, I know you're
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: gonna be a month ahead. I know you're already a
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: month ahead on something and.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Very different movie than this one, very different.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: But also like I also know that if you feel
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: like you need to be ahead of things. You're quite prepared,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you're ready to get it done, probably two to three weeks,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: maybe two like two to three days and going out quickly.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: We have to get it and you're you're ready, you
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: get it done. For me, my anxiety brings me back
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to the preparing, like making sure there's parking. So if
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: there's not parking, I'll look around to see where that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: parking could be. Where the best scenario. What kind of
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: food do they serve? Are we going to have to
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: look at, Like if someone has an allergy, I'm gonna
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: find out like those kinds.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Like that's where my anxiety can help me.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But then when I go to the other scale world,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like I'm so overwhelmed, I'm about to either have a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: panic attack or I have to take a nap or both.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those are my reactors, but.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: It is it's interesting, Like I do love seeing when
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: we have that conversation of life, because anxiety to me
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: does seem maladaptive just in general just seems like a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: negative term, but in actuality, it can help us be
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: motivated and somewhat prepared.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, watching this again because I did come in. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: remember the first time I saw it, I thought, anxieties,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you know, this is negative. Yeah, And she was for
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of the movie. But once they kind of
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: work together, which the emotions, Once the emotions kind of
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: work together, which was also a theme in the first one,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it does become clear. And anxiety is the one that
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: tells Joy you can't control who Riley is. You're gonna
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: have to let her. You want her to be this,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: but she is changing, her sense of self is changing,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to let that happen. So I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: did appreciate that it showcased the ways anxiety can be
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: really really negative but also really positive, like how it
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: can help you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. In the conversation dot com actually talks about that too.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: They write, here we see how anxiety can play a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: positive role in our lives. And anxiety takes charge and
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: has shown as future looking emotion that helps Riley to
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: try to avoid a bad consequence. It's not bad necessarily
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: to look ahead. It's bad when you obsess on it,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: which is kind of that level of what was happening
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: where it kept her awake, That anxiety disorder kept her
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: awake because she was going through all the bad scenarios
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: she was pushing herself too hard, the constant practicing and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: not all those levels.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: So it's definitely that level.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: But at the same time we understand if you think
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: at the very beginning when she thought, did the scenario look,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it actually was helpful. It was in the middle and
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: end part where we saw, oh, no, they're going overboard.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: We need a balance. We need some kiddy cats on
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: top of looking at like possible scenarios, right, we need
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: we need that balance and we get to see that,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: so it's not an awful thing.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: We also talk about the panic attack that occurs. So
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: this is from Copcollective dot org. Anxiety or panic attacks
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: are sadly common, and up to thirty five percent of
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the population experience a panic attack at some point in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: their lives. I want to say the numbers are higher,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: people are not reporting them or people don't understand that's
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: what it is, because I think maybe people think the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: panic attacks, if it doesn't put you in the hospital,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: then you've never had one type of conversation. I'm like, uh,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: you might have been able to stop it, but you
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: had a panic attack.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's kind of going
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: back to internalized ableism. I think a lot of times
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: people are like that was, and I think that was.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk about it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I just yeah, I just I just needed to calm down.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I just need to go outside.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you had a panic attack, and yeah, those
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: are they can be very very scary. And I have
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to say, I asked you at the beginning how it
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: hit you, But it is. I mean I was watching
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: it just like the way her like knee was bouncing, yeah,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: like her uneven breathing. Yeah, it does feel very realistic.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so for me watching that can and douce panic
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: attacks for me that I'm like, oh, like even thinking
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: about it can start like I'm getting a little like
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: racing of the heart, but like I have to very
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: calmly like bring myself back in different ways. And then
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: we've talked about like our own methods. I also have medication,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: very low dose, not even like narcotic level, but like
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: it helps, it does help drive it down. I take
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: propopanol for performance anxiety because I do get pretty severe.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: But performance anxiety I do okay and I can do it,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: but before part feels like I'm gonna pass out, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: I do blackout sometimes in the middle of.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: My talking and I'm like, did I do okay? I
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: think I'm lying.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I had to ask a few times. But that level
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: that does happen, you know. We try to control it,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: and again, many people who don't understand what that is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: If it's severe enough, it feels like a heart attack,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people just assume that's
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: a panic attack. Again, it's just that level of breathing.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Me watching that, I was like, oh, okay, I'm gonna
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: have to I'm gonna have to step back a little bit.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: You know what, yoga, with this breathing, it could cause
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a panic attack me too. I can't do it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: We actually talked about that when we were doing during
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the pandemic, we were doing those like yoga videos. YEP.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I really wanted to like yoga, and I went to
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: to a couple of sessions and doing our breath breathe in,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: breathe out thinking session. I most lost it. I almost
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: had a panic attack because I was like, I don't,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I can't do this.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: You can't. I can't do this. So I've never I've
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: not been able to go back.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's why I like dancing I don't think
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: about you don't think about things.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: You can just not.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: You just think about your moves and the music and
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: that's it, and that's what I love. But it is
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: it wasn't interesting, but like watching her, it felt very real. Honestly,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: it felt very real. This is important to see that
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: we talked about this fact as happening at a young age,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: and we should be recognizing anxiety and young people. They
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: write the Conversation, it is right that we should be
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: worried about the rates of anxiety and young people. Anxiety
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: disorders can develop from early childhood. Generalized anxiety disorder is
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the most prevalent form among early adolescents. There's evidence that
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: rates of anxiety in adolescence have been increasing, and these
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: have long term impacts on a range of outcomes from
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: school performances to earnings in adulthood. And I think we
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: need to talk about the school system and how it's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: set up sometimes. I think we've talked about with testing.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: We don't want to coddle children, that's not the necessary part,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: but we also putting this unnecessary amount of pressure on
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: children that don't have the same access and being able
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to have some freedom. I know, like South Korea has
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: some really hardcore idea when it comes to like schools
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: and getting them to the next level and to the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: next level until the next level with like going to
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: school all day and then going to get like hardcorese
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: tutoring all day, and that's your entire thing. That seems impossible.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I think that's one of the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: things that I'm like, that's a good thing out came
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: to the US. I don't know if I could have
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: handled that lifestyle. And if they see a talent in
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you or you want to do something that is specific
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: like sports or music, man, they really put you through
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: the test to make you want to quit everything. So
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: it just seems like it's one of those things that
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: we should not be putting on children. But you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: this whole thing, and then of course there's another theme
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: suppressing emotions, and that's one of those big conversations that
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: we've all had, like we want to suppress some of
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the things from childhood and try not to think about
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: it the whole like I'll think about it tomorrow, I
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: can't handle it today. Being able to do that or
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: trying to do that really can be unhealthy. We've talked
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: about it for especially when it comes to women not
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: being able to even confront those things because they have
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: so many other things that they had to deal with
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that they're just putting it in the back of their minds,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: their own mental health, their own stuff. And again there
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: was something that we talked about with them being put
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: in the vault of secrets. The end credit scene with
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Deep Dark cigaret coming out and she's like, Okay, tell
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: me and he's like, I.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: Burned a hole in the carpet and she's like, oh,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: is that it did you?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I thought maybe he's peeing the pol and the knee
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: runs away again and then that's kind of how it ends.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: But Annie, you were talking about that something was linked
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: to that scene that a lot of people were like, oh.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: No, yes. So when this first came out, I actually
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: had a Monday Mini to talk about this because they
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: had to add the end credit scene last minute. They
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: weren't planning to put it in because they had shown
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the movie, they had screened it to audiences, and you know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: throughout you have this like Deep Dark Secret introduced midway,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people the nice way of putting
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: is a lot of people were just really curious what
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: it was, but a lot of people were worried that
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: it was something like sexual abuse or something like really dark,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: which I do think as I was telling you, Samantha's
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: really telling that in this Pixar movie about a young girl,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: enough people went to sexual abuse that they added in
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: an end credit scene that they had not planned. Yeah,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: but that that is why it's in there. It was
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: not originally a part of it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: You put something in this outline because obviously all we
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: do we separate and take terms with different episodes.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Is she gay?
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, you know what, that is
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: a good question. Like there were some things that made
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: it seem like there was a little more like of.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: A crush maybe on val, but also it doesn't always
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: have to be that way, but it could be hockey.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I also love the fact that they put in hockey
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: as the main sport. This made me really happy, especially
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: after our conversation with different people about hockey.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: But yes, any expound please.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Oh of course happy to So apparently after this came out,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: like the Deep Dirt Secret, the gay community really latched
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: onto it and was like, oh, sec, that's what it is,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: and it's just kind of become a whole gay headcanon
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: is that that's what the deep Dirk secret actually is,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: is that she's gay.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing wrong if she is, there's nothing wrong.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: It is also nothing wrong if it's just friends.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly because you can I think you can, you know
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: reaction that I could see reading as potentially she has
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: a crush on Valel. I could also just see you're
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: that's somebody looked up to.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone that she's heard of and idolized and understand
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: she's so good, and then being friends with her would
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: put you on a different line, and especially being noticed.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like your dream is.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: The second grader being told high by a cool high
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: schooler and then be humiliated.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was wrong. That was rough.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Memories of the haunting. That's a haunting. That's I don't
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: know who you were, but I hope if you have
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: ever I won't.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: I won't forget. I will not.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: She is forgotten. I don't know who she is anyway. Yeah,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. It's an interesting to take a deep dark cigarette.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I did not read into it as deeply as everybody else.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I think. I don't think about it. I just bypass it.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: But I guess when I first saw it, I was like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and I assume, because it's a Pixar movie.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: It's not gonna be Yeah, maybe that's where I was.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: But I did think about it. It's like, oh, deep
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Darts Secret just sounds so menacing, And I know they
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: were going for kind of comical, they were going forward.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's where I went. But yeah, huh oh, and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: you know what, but that's not true. I mean, so
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: when I was reading these different articles, one of the
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: articles talked about she's obviously at a high scale ace,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: like there's a test when we're talking about the their
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: environment and their childhood and how well they grew up
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: and if they had markers or trauma and the fact
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that she probably did not. Everything seems really she grew
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: up in a really healthy environment, had the support that
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: she needed, had all of the basic knees covered and
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: then some, so she would not have been one to
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: typically have those types of bad markers. But you know,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: like if you were to look at inside out on
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: that level, it's a whole different story and what that
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: looks like and how the emotions would have protected her again,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: like what that looked like any if you're and my
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: headquarters were being seen.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think I think we would have a drama.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Horror movie.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: So they're all of the same.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Who knows, but like it definitely would have been a
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: completely different movie. And they do talk about the Eric
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: ericson theory of attachments in there as well.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Of course I didn't bring it to here, but they
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: do mention all of that. They do go that in depth.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Social workers go and talk about how this is a
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: great example in being able to talk to kids about
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: their emotions and regulating emotions and balance. Yeah, so there's
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: a lot and I think a lot of big theme
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: even though not necessarily said, but that self seeing their
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: sense of self has a lot about loving yourself and
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: liking yourself and also trusting in your own abilities.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: And who you are. You don't have to change for
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: all the other people.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: And you know what.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I love the character of Val because she kind of
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: reiterates that.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: She's like, you're fine, it's not a big deal, Like
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: these are things that you can do, but it's okay.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: We think you're cool and you definitely have potential, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: we've heard about your good playing and your teammates be
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: you like.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I love that, No one like every now and.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Again the other schools, like would tease them about like
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: the notebook and then about liking certain bands, but like
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: even vowels like oh my god, I love them.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Like she was so wonderfully reassuring.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I loved her character to be honest.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she could tell she had been there, like,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: knew the pressure, knew what it was like. I love
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that too, And I also love like a lot of
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it was Riley being so anxious, like because she would
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: eat that like granola bar that yeah, Voul gave her
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: that she hated. She said she would eat like all
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: kinds of things she didn't like. But also she did
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: say she didn't like this band very sarcastically in front
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: of her friends. That was sort of scene.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: That's tar kasinsy was not cool.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I did enjoy how the emotions could not talk to
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: the other side because of the sarcasm as.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Literal chasm listeners, and so when they would shout across
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: for actual it was translated very sarcastically across the sarcauism.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: It was. I enjoyed that, and so with that, of course,
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: there's a lot more we can talk about about.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: This.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: One of the things that we will end is that
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: this is not just about teenagers and growing up, and
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's something that I was thinking through as well.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: This is from mysocial worknews dot com. And let's not
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: forget emotional turbulence isn't exclusively present in teenagers. We can
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: all experience emotional turbulence at various points in our lives.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: People affected by poor mental health, trauma, personality disorders, and
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: intellectual disabilities may struggle more than others to recognize and
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: respond to their emotions.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: So obviously it is for everyone. We are all different places.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Again, when we talked about the area Erston theories and
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: they were talking about trauma and triggers and what that
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: can cause in your headquarters and emotional stability, there's a
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: lot of like levels that there's there for me as
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I'm navigating perimenopause, which apparently I am. There's a lot
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: of moments where I have to recognize, oh, this is
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: not a normal reaction. There's something going on internally here
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: that I'm overreacting in a way that it is unnecessary.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Whether it's my sadness, whether it's my anxiety. There are
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: moments where I'm like, ooh, calm down. There are moments
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: where I've recognized I've had too much caffeine and my
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: anxiety's caffeine induced. Literally, I was like, oh, yeah, nothing's
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: gonna happen. My heart's racing because in my mind, my
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: heart raising me something bad is happening.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: So like recognizing, oh, I've had too much caffeine, I'm
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: gonna need to sit this one out.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: How about some tea, non caffeinated.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And just sit, get some water, get your favorite movie
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: calm now, which, by the way, I watched The Mummy
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: immediately after Inside Out too.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Classical, a good comfort movie. Yeah, so there you go.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I really did.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: I will say I did enjoy this movie. There are
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: funny parts that are again interesting parts, and I could
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: see how this movie is really a great way to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: start talking to kids, teenagers if they can like about
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: what this is and what this means and a little
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: more like in depth conversation.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: So I appreciate that.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: And it's like, I love anything original, and this is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: like during the times of originality, the idea that emotions
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: are beings inside of us controlling our headquarters.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the things that we've touched on
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that I really like about Inside Out and inside out too,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: is that it shows emotions working together, but when you
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: have joy kind of throwing these negative emotions or negative
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: memories or embarrassing memories to the back of the mind, which,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: because it's conceptualized, it's actually a place in Riley's mind.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I hate it, you hate it. But we
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: learned from embarrassing memories, We learn from failure. So there's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a reason that she needed. Riley needed those memories back
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: to make her new sense of self. I also just
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: very briefly want to add, if anyone like me loves
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the Pixar Connected Universe theory, this movie full of easter eggs. Yes,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of like what I would call
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: red herrings of you know, she has a picture of
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the couple from up. Her last name is Anderson, which
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: is the last name of Bonnie from Toy Story. However
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: it's not spelled the same. But I but right before this,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I looked up because I'm very familiar with this, I
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: looked up where this would be, and so I think
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: it takes place in twenty thirty. Team. But if you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: don't know the Pixar you Connected Universe theory is essentially
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: that it's an apocalypse theory and that humans are used
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: for batteries in the future. So the big part of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: it is it's hinted at in Toy story. But then
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: and monsters ink when they're using like human laughter to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: power their city or human screams, human laughter. Also but
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: that if you look around, it's a desolate landscape. And
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: so Boo from that movie goes back in time to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Brave and she is the Witch and Brave Bond. The
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: whole idea is humans are used as batteries, and there
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: are a couple of instances of that of being hinted
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: at in Inside Out two. So oh, it's just dark.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's wild, like books have been written
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: about it. Oh, he's the whole thing. But a lot
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of what was written about Inside Out too
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: is that she's not related to Bond, like it's much
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: more like shooting Down ideas. She's not related to Bonnie.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: She's not Boo because some people thought she was Boo
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: because she has the same pigtails in the first one.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: I think I heard that theory.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Oh and then oh gosh, bing Bong from the first one,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: the sad part her imaginary friend. The theory is that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: he's a monster from Monsters Inc. That makes sense because
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: he's powered by her like energy, laughter and all of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: Anyway, and then she stops laughing he goes away. Lord,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Oh it's sad.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: It's very sad.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: They got dark. They got dark.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: Sorry I hadn't put it in there, all right, Pixar theory,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: look it up.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: No more pick star for you.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: If we ever watch like Monsters Inc. And Brave, I'll
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: have a lot to say, which.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: By the way, Monsters Inc. Is one of my favorite movies.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: I love monster I loved Monsters Inc.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: So good. Well maybe in the future, maybe in the future. Anyway,
• 1:04:20
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• 1:04:24
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