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10-28-26 Hour 3 - The Downfall of Deion/Brian Howell on the State of CU/Keys to the Games · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: All right, Brian Howell is going to join us at
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  Speaker 3: 920 this morning. Speaking of, Prime was at his presser yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: He was asked the question, you know, the team loses again.
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  Speaker 3: I've given you the numbers, Moj. Take these numbers for
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  Speaker 3: what you will, even if you're somebody who has said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: look where he started from, right? This number from Brian Howell,
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  Speaker 3: who will join us in 20 minutes. Why are you
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  Speaker 3: in a robe? Carl Durrell.
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  Speaker 4: This hotel room has three robes. So if you're going
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  Speaker 4: to give me three robes, I'm wearing one. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: a robe guy. I don't wear robes. But Moj, they
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  Speaker 4: have three robes.
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  Speaker 2: Three of them. Why would you need three robes?
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  Speaker 5: How many beds?
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  Speaker 2: One bed. One bed, three robes.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're going to throw three robes at a
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  Speaker 4: human being, that's pretty much an indication you want them
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  Speaker 4: in a robe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. That's neat. Almost demanding.
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  Speaker 3: Here is Brian Howell's numbers from over the weekend. Carl
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  Speaker 3: Durrell's last 20 games as CU head coach. He was
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  Speaker 3: 5-15 with 4 losses by 30 or more points. And
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  Speaker 3: Deion Sanders' last 20 games as CU's head coach. He
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  Speaker 3: is 5-15 with 4 losses by 30 or more points. So,
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  Speaker 3: Brian was asked yesterday, could Juju get his job back?
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  Speaker 2: That's on him.
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  Speaker 6: That's on him. It's a great question, but that's on him.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think you could find a player in this
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  Speaker 6: program or you may find some bitter players that have
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  Speaker 6: left and didn't want to leave but life is what
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  Speaker 6: it is but i don't treat people unfairly i don't
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  Speaker 6: i don't play games with with young men and their
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  Speaker 6: careers and hate on folks if i'm anything i'm too
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  Speaker 6: forgiving and and very very kind you can ask that
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  Speaker 6: gentleman over there i don't i don't i don't play
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  Speaker 6: those games with kids so You've got to always understand
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  Speaker 6: that we may know a little more than you do.
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  Speaker 6: Because we're inside the locker room. We're there. We understand
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  Speaker 6: what happens, what goes on, what clicks, what don't, what fits,
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  Speaker 6: what don't. We get that. Sometimes you guys on the outside,
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  Speaker 6: you think you see inside, but you don't. And that's
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  Speaker 6: not a shot in any of you. It's just the truth.
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  Speaker 3: So there's been a rumor that has been thrown around,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll ask Brian Howell in 20 minutes. That Juju,
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  Speaker 3: once he got benched, just checked out. It sure feels
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  Speaker 3: that way, doesn't it? I'm going to buy time until
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year, then I'm going to transfer
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  Speaker 3: and go somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: That's the state of college sports right now.
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  Speaker 4: If the home isn't where your future is, you're going
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  Speaker 4: to make sure you take care of that body for
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  Speaker 4: the next home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just, I don't know what the breaking point
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  Speaker 3: is to all of this. This is an experiment. Like
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  Speaker 3: this whole Dion thing was an experiment from the start.
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  Speaker 3: everything you think traditionally about hiring a coach, he didn't
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  Speaker 3: have a ton of experience. He had a couple of
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  Speaker 3: years at Jackson state and then he coached at his
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  Speaker 3: academy in high school. It's not really power five coaching
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  Speaker 3: experience that you would traditionally think of the way he
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  Speaker 3: went about constructing a roster was very experimental, not really
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  Speaker 3: done before, not really going against, uh, going after high
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  Speaker 3: school recruits, going after the transfer portal. Now all of
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  Speaker 3: that shifted into like the mainstream now, but that wasn't
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  Speaker 3: it initially. And then it was like the style of
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  Speaker 3: how the team was going to play. But like a
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  Speaker 3: lot of skill, a lot of speed, not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of bulk. And it just it hasn't worked for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't.
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  Speaker 3: So go ahead, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: Moja and I were around for the fall of the
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  Speaker 4: Roman Empire. Every empire has a time where it ends
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  Speaker 4: and it starts at different places. The cracks start to form.
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  Speaker 4: And we remember when the cracks started forming with the
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  Speaker 4: senators and the egos of the Roman Empire. And the
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  Speaker 4: cracks started forming here a couple of years ago with
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  Speaker 4: this empire. So it's only a matter of time. You
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  Speaker 4: remember when we we came on the air and even
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  Speaker 4: in our own business, there's there's media members who. God,
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  Speaker 4: what did we call them, the CU honks, CU honks, right?
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  Speaker 4: So when he's going even after his own CU honks,
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  Speaker 4: which is what's happening now, even those even closest to him,
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  Speaker 4: those who surrounded and proselytized him, he's going after them.
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  Speaker 4: That's when you know the cracks are too enormous to fill.
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  Speaker 4: It is the fall of the empire.
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  Speaker 2: I just, like... Do you know what I mean by that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do know what you mean by it.
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  Speaker 4: Can you translate that for folks who don't understand? Because
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  Speaker 4: I did a poor job at translating.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I suppose it's just to a breaking point at
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  Speaker 5: this point up in Boulder.
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  Speaker 4: But, I mean, even those who defended to a fault who,
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  Speaker 4: what's the word the kids use?
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  Speaker 2: Fanboyed them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, because there are still people that do that.
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  Speaker 5: There are, but listen, if he's gone tomorrow or he's
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  Speaker 5: gone at the end of the year or whatever the
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  Speaker 5: case is, I'm going to be thankful that he took
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  Speaker 5: the job because it did a lot for the university.
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  Speaker 5: It did a lot. It did a lot for, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: the revenue and so on and so forth. But the
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  Speaker 5: problem is that eventually winning has to be part of
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  Speaker 5: the equation. It has to be. And you can't keep
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  Speaker 5: clipping along at three wins per season. You got five
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  Speaker 5: games left. You need to win four just to get
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  Speaker 5: bowl eligible.
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  Speaker 2: It's not working.
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  Speaker 5: I don't see four wins there.
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  Speaker 2: Both.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: CU fans, it's not working. Stop it. Stop trying to
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  Speaker 2: convince yourself that it's working. Stop.
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  Speaker 4: It's not working. The problem now is you are indebted.
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  Speaker 4: There's so much money thrown into this.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do? How do you back out of it?
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  Speaker 2: How do you do it? This university isn't flush with cash.
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  Speaker 5: I can promise you if this was the SEC or
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  Speaker 5: the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 5: He would be bought out at some point, and they
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  Speaker 5: would eat that money. But you're Colorado. You really can't
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  Speaker 5: afford to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, Brett, I want him to succeed. I
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  Speaker 5: want the Buffaloes to be good. But you're giving up
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  Speaker 5: 57 to Okie State, 34 points in the second half.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you something real quick.
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  Speaker 5: It doesn't really look any different than it has.
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  Speaker 3: Why do we always couch things with Prime with a–
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  Speaker 3: whenever he leaves, I'm going to thank him for being
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  Speaker 3: here or I want him.
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  Speaker 5: To be good or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: We always couch it like that because it feels like
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  Speaker 3: if you don't say that, at least at the back end,
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  Speaker 3: then if you criticize him, then people are going to
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  Speaker 3: say that you're a hater who's been begging for the downfall.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no, I think it's important to recognize what
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  Speaker 5: he did for this program. They probably would have been anyway,
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  Speaker 5: but I can't guarantee you that they wouldn't be homeless.
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  Speaker 5: I can't guarantee you that they would be in the
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  Speaker 5: Big 12 without Coach Prime.
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  Speaker 3: That's understood, but the bottom line is this team hasn't won.
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  Speaker 3: They are no better now than they were four years ago.
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  Speaker 6: Agreed.
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  Speaker 3: That's at the crux of why you hire a coach.
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  Speaker 3: That's the question. And I get everything that preceded that.
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  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is there is so much more grace
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  Speaker 3: that's lent to it. And Vic, you're right. The financial
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  Speaker 3: part of this is it muddies the waters big time.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's not just like you're getting rid of a
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  Speaker 3: coach who made $ 2. 5 million a year. He makes $ 10 million.
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  Speaker 3: It's a much different discussion. But in that same vein.
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  Speaker 3: If his name wasn't Deion Sanders, this decision would have
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  Speaker 3: been made already. Correct? If his name was Carl Durrell,
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  Speaker 3: like it was previous to this, you did not get
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  Speaker 3: this amount of time.
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  Speaker 2: Or grace.
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  Speaker 4: You're being disingenuous in saying that he did provide a
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  Speaker 4: shot of adrenaline to a program that needed it badly.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: And that adrenaline was much needed. But right now, it's
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  Speaker 4: not working.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 4: Any other program, as Mosier just attested to, with cash
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  Speaker 4: would move on. They don't have the cash to move on.
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  Speaker 4: And unless they step up with the cash, this is
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  Speaker 4: what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. This is what it is. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Paint the scenario for me.
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  Speaker 4: But you're also, I don't think you're giving enough credit
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  Speaker 4: to the adrenaline rush that That worked.
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  Speaker 3: Eyeballs came to the program. Vic, hang on, hang on.
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  Speaker 3: I fully acknowledge it. I'm just saying, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why still to this day, every time we have a
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  Speaker 3: criticism for Deion, we have to couch it with, well,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he did, you know, rejuvenate the program initially. Like,
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  Speaker 3: we know that now.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but I just think it's important to give credit
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  Speaker 5: where credit is due. I mean, this program was dead.
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  Speaker 5: D-E-D dead.
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  Speaker 2: And it.
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  Speaker 5: Wasn't just a shot in the arm. It was a
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  Speaker 5: laser beam, man.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 5: It was Halley's Comet. But, again, when you get down
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  Speaker 5: the road, winning has to be part of the equation,
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  Speaker 5: and it's not happening. And I don't know how to
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  Speaker 5: fix that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I don't call it a Halley's Comet.
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  Speaker 2: It's not Haley's. It's Halley's. You're going to get on
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  Speaker 2: me for Halley Buck, and you're going to call it
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  Speaker 2: Halley's Comet? Come on, man. Just stop. End the show.
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  Speaker 2: End the show. This show's worthless. Halley's.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I said Halley's Comet my entire life, but I
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  Speaker 5: don't think that's correct. I think it's Halley's.
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  Speaker 2: Just stop the show.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody help me out.
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  Speaker 2: It's Halley's Comet, dude. Be a normal human.
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  Speaker 3: I'm almost assured it's Halley's Comet.
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  Speaker 5: But there's two L's in there.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, did you do the Brett Cain? You just read
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  Speaker 3: it and just thought, oh.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: I just know how to spell it.
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  Speaker 2: Completely off the rails.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's Haley's Comet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But there's two L's, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there is. It doesn't matter. I think there's a singer. Hallie.
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  Speaker 2: Is it there a singer? Hallie.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's Hallie Berry.
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  Speaker 7: There's Halsey.
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  Speaker 2: Halsey. That's the one. Halsey's Comet.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. What is with you, man? You put on a bathrobe.
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  Speaker 5: You're just weird right now.
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  Speaker 4: I'm in New Orleans. Weird things happen here. Bottom line
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  Speaker 4: with Prime is this. Bottom line is this. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he's going to get the investment from boosters right now,
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  Speaker 4: given what they've done.
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  Speaker 2: That they need.
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  Speaker 4: But they also don't have the necessary funds to move
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  Speaker 4: on from him right now. So it leaves you in
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  Speaker 4: a land that is a land of the lost, really.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you go? What do you do?
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  Speaker 5: Vic, I guess my question is, I look at the
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  Speaker 5: dang conference from top to bottom. They're dead last in
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  Speaker 5: the conference. Yeah, I know they are. I'm not asking
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  Speaker 5: you to be. But why can't they be Utah? I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure they spend as much money as Utah.
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  Speaker 2: Because the foundation is shaky.
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  Speaker 5: Why can't they be Houston? It's not like the Houston
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  Speaker 5: Cougars are flush with cash.
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  Speaker 2: They're number 18 in the country. Name the head coach
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  Speaker 2: of the Houston Cougars. Uh, hell, I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: My case, my point, exactly. My point, exactly. Did you
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  Speaker 2: have to have a celebrity coach to succeed?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, take a look at the top 25 in
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  Speaker 4: the AP poll.
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  Speaker 2: How many coaches can you name? You know what it is?
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  Speaker 5: It's Willie Fritz.
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  Speaker 2: He's been around. Willie Fritz. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the argument that I'm trying to make. Everybody,
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  Speaker 3: when they talk about, like, if crime were to be
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  Speaker 3: let go, like, oh, we'll have fun being irrelevant again.
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  Speaker 2: What does that even mean? The people who say that, again,
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  Speaker 2: go back to the CU honks. And it's the people
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  Speaker 2: that I.
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  Speaker 4: The disrespect that you bring to the table, CU honks,
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  Speaker 4: is that this program didn't even exist before he showed up.
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  Speaker 2: And I can't stand that rationale. I can't stand it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even think that's it.
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  Speaker 2: Like, CU.
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  Speaker 3: Was before prime got here. They were irrelevant in college football.
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  Speaker 3: They were not, not always, but recent, the recent memory
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  Speaker 3: of that before prime got here. That's true. Now what
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  Speaker 3: prime did, he brought relevance, but when you're being talked
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  Speaker 3: about after going three and nine, does that matter? Is
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  Speaker 3: that really something that you think is cool? Like when the,
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  Speaker 3: if the Cowboys went two and 15 most, the Cowboys
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  Speaker 3: would be talked about.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Is that cool though? Oh, let's talk about how bad
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  Speaker 3: the Cowboys are.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: That's not the point.
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  Speaker 5: But for the life of me, I can't understand why
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  Speaker 5: they are so bad. And Vic, whenever you call it
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  Speaker 5: foundational cracks, look, you just saw this past weekend, Cincinnati
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  Speaker 5: upset then number eight, Texas Tech.
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  Speaker 2: Big win.
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  Speaker 5: UCF upsets number two, BYU.
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  Speaker 2: Huge win.
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  Speaker 5: And for the life of me, I can't even imagine that.
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  Speaker 5: The University of Colorado coming up with a win like that.
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  Speaker 5: It's not even remotely on the radar.
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  Speaker 2: They're not. But this is simple, Moj.
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  Speaker 3: They aren't talented.
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  Speaker 5: Why can't he get talent?
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  Speaker 3: Remember when they were talented with a Heisman Trophy winner
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  Speaker 3: and a professional quarterback and then they won football games
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  Speaker 3: and they did that? They don't have that.
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  Speaker 4: When your press conferences during the week before games become
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  Speaker 4: a news item by themselves, something is fundamentally wrong. Like
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  Speaker 4: when every press conference becomes a topic of discussion.
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Am I right or wrong there?
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  Speaker 4: Every press conference he does now, there's something that comes
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  Speaker 4: off that press conference.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Here we go again.
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  Speaker 4: You can't do that. It's got to be about the team,
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  Speaker 4: the game, the season. It's got to be about the material.
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  Speaker 4: It can't be about other stuff. Every press conference, there's
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  Speaker 4: something else going on now?
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  Speaker 3: We can talk more about that with Brian Howell. He'll
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  Speaker 3: join us in a couple of minutes.
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  Speaker 5: I want to thank the 267-0. It's Halley's Comet.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, 2670, all you people, I'm not changing names.
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  Speaker 2: We're not doing this name change. You don't get to
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  Speaker 2: be Travis Etienne. You're not doing that. We're not playing
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  Speaker 2: this game. But also, your name is your name.
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  Speaker 5: You can do Haley's if you want to. You can
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  Speaker 5: do either one.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not playing your games. These people that all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden, halfway through your career, yeah, my name
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  Speaker 4: is pronounced differently.
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  Speaker 2: No, you don't get that.
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  Speaker 5: Can I get a frigging astronomer on the program for
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  Speaker 5: crying out loud, texting in?
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  Speaker 7: It's actually Ochocinco's Comet.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Just find me an astronomer someplace. Anybody looking through a
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  Speaker 5: telescope out there?
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  Speaker 3: World be free, comet.
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  Speaker 7: He hate me, comet.
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  Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali, comet. Halley's comet.
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  Speaker 7: That's from dictionary.com for what it's worth.
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  Speaker 3: Halley's comet. Stay tuned after tonight's Nuggets and Pelicans game
• 15:53
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  Speaker 3: joins us. Brian, how's it going, buddy? Good to talk
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  Speaker 3: to you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: We were just kind of discussing some of Prime's comments
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  Speaker 3: from yesterday, but really the experience overall. And just to
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  Speaker 3: get your read on it, I mean, you're there every day.
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  Speaker 3: You're covering things from the start to the finish, or
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  Speaker 3: I guess to where we are now with Prime. What
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  Speaker 3: is your assessment of, like, why hasn't this worked as
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  Speaker 3: of yet?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, there's a lot of theories as to
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  Speaker 9: why it hasn't worked. I mean, some people would question
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: whether he's a good coach or not, whether they brought
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: in the right players, whether they brought in the right staff.
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: And I think a lot of that, there's validity to
• 16:54
  Speaker 9: some of that stuff. I mean, I don't know why
• 16:56
  Speaker 9: it hasn't fully worked because I think they have enough
• 16:57
  Speaker 9: talent to get to a bowl game. I think they
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: had enough talent to get to a bowl game in 23.
• 17:02
  Speaker 9: They had Stanford, as we know, up 29-0. and collapse
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: in that game, that would have made them five and
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: two that year. And I fully believe they win another
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: game after that. But they collapse in that game and
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: don't win another game. I think they should have been
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: in a bowl game last year. I think they were
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: talented enough. And they're up 14-0 back-to-back weeks against BYU
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: and TCU and lose both games. So this team, this staff,
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: for whatever reason, they don't make adjustments. I mean, they're
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: up 24-23 at the half the other day and lose
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: by 33 points. That's insane. And so I don't think
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: they make good adjustments. I don't know why it fully
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: hasn't clicked. They clearly have a quarterback issue these last
• 17:44
  Speaker 9: couple of years. They've never been able to find someone
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: to replace Shador. And that's a major part of it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: But I think there's really good players in other areas
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: of this team. And I don't think it's just the quarterback.
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: I think that's a big part of it. But I
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: think there's a lot of deficiencies. I mean, he talks
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: about how disciplined they are as a team. They've been
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: the most undisciplined team in the country when it comes
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: to penalties for four years. And so It doesn't make
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: sense why they're so disciplined. I want to joke with
• 18:11
  Speaker 9: them and say, maybe you guys should try being undisciplined
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: off the field and see if that works on Saturday.
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: Let people show up late to meetings. Let people bring
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: their cell phones into meetings. Try that once.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: When you say they, they're not making adjustments. Who's they, Brian? Coaches.
• 18:27
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure what's going on in the locker room
• 18:30
  Speaker 9: at halftime where they often come out. Utah was different.
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: It was kind of weird because the Utah game, They
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: look terrible in the first half. In the second half,
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: they were really good. For the most part, they get
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: beat a lot. There's been a lot of games under
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: Coach Prime where they're in it. They're either in the
• 18:49
  Speaker 9: lead or it's close going into the fourth quarter and
• 18:51
  Speaker 9: they just implode. The Texas Tech game. That was another one.
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: They're up 7-6 late in the third quarter. It's only
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: a 15-7 game in the fourth and they lose 29-7.
• 19:02
  Speaker 9: They just implode a lot in the fourth quarter and
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: You know, ASU last year, they ended up losing, I
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: think it was 42-17. It was a 21-17 game in
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: the fourth, and CU's driving, and they ended up losing 42-17.
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: So I don't know adjustments. I don't know, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 9: I don't know if this team is just fragile mentally.
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: I don't know what the deal is. But for some reason,
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: they can't complete games.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: Well, they haven't stood pat. I mean, they brought in
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: different coordinators and whatnot, Brian. And nothing seems to work.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Nothing changes. It's crazy to me, but it's right back
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: where you started is what it feels like.
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and the amount of times that Coach Prime in
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: his coaching career, not just here, but at Jackson State,
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: has demoted his offensive coordinator in season is crazy. I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: I think I'd seen it maybe once in all the
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: years previous covering CU, but it happened twice in the
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: first three years he was here. And the way things
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: are going, I don't know if they could do it
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: this year. I'm not sure there's a capable, there's no
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: experienced play caller behind Brennan Marion this year. But, I mean,
• 20:06
  Speaker 9: Pat Shermer, got demoted last year and you know, everybody
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: was down on Pat Schirmer and everything, but you look
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: at it now, I think some people would take the
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: Pat Schirmer offense right now as opposed to what's going
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: on right now. So, uh, yeah, it, the continuity has
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: not been there. And, uh, yeah, the, the, the change
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: over players, the change over staff, it's just been, it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: been crazy for four years.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: So in college football, it's all about resources too, right?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, do we have the proper money to
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: pay for players? Do we have this and that? What,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I know it's not like CU doesn't have Ohio state
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: money and they don't have Georgia money, but do they
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: have requisite big 12 money to compete?
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: I think, I think this team right here that they
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: have is good enough to be a bowl team and
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: they're not going to be.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Do you know what the numbers, do you know what, like,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you can find out NIL spending
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Is that on par with some
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: of the top spenders in, in the big 12?
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, there's been people that have put out some charts.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: CU is one of the top five or six spenders
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: as far as their roster value in the Big 12.
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: This defense is really good. They didn't look like it
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: on Saturday, I know that, but this defense is pretty solid.
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: This is the best offensive line Coach Prime's had in
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: his four years. They've got some really good receivers. Joseph Williams,
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: I don't know if people have paid attention, but that
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: kid's been awesome. That's a pro that should be an
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: all-conference guy that may not be because of their record.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: You know, their running backs are pretty solid. DeAndre Moore
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: is another receiver that's really good. But they don't have
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: great quarterback play, and their coaching, I think, is not great.
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: And I think that's going to cost them. So they
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: have the roster to be a bowl team, in my opinion.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, then there's some sort of disconnect for me, Brian,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: like this. The Baylor Bears are 4-3 overall. They're 2-2
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: in the Big 12, and they just fired their coach.
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: To me, that's the sign of, hey, listen, we want
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: to be a serious program. We have expectations around here.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: So where is the lack of seriousness in Boulder?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: $ 10 million for a coach a year is a little
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: bit different.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, is it in the staff? Is it in the
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: new AD? What are we talking about here?
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I wouldn't put it on the new AD. I
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: think there is seriousness up there in wanting to be competitive.
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: But I'll just say this. I think that this is
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: hanging on a thread. And I don't think that this,
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: if they don't win games here soon, I think we're
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: going to see the same thing Baylor's going through. There'll
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: be a coaching search.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: So you think that they would have, they have the
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: money to let go of, I mean, it's just a
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: huge price tag. He's one of the top 10 highest
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: paid coaches in the country.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: At some point, you kind of have to just say,
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: you know what, we can't afford to keep him. You know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 9: it just costs too much. But if you look at
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: the money, yes, they owe him a lot. But the
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: buyout would be about $ 26 million. But it's not like
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: you have to cut a $ 26 million check. You know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 9: generally what happens is they'll negotiate these things. And even
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: let's say it doesn't get negotiated down. You still pay
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: it off over several years. And so let's say it's
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: 8 million a year for a few years. Well, you're
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: already budgeting to pay him $ 34 million over the next
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: few years. And so if you have the $ 26 million buyout,
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: and then you go get a coach at a reasonable
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: price tag of 4 million a year. Well, now over
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: the next three years, you're paying $ 38 million for a
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: coach instead of 34. Now it doesn't look that bad, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: So, what you're budgeting right now is 34 million for Dion,
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: but you can make it work. And so if there's
• 23:34
  Speaker 9: enough people over there that are like, you know what,
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: this is just, this is going off the rails. We're
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: not winning. We need to make a change. If they
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: don't believe in this, I think that they'll come up
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: with the money and they'll figure it out.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: I don't think I'll just say this. I don't think
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: money is going to hinder them from making a change
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: if they want to make a change.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Gotcha.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: How would you characterize Fernando Lovo's reputation? relationship with Prime.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: I've sat down with Lobo. He's a brilliant guy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: He's new there. He's a new AD. What's it like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: between the two of them?
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: I don't know for sure because they haven't really been
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: around each other a whole lot. I know Rick George
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: is still there. He's still working with the football program.
• 24:16
  Speaker 9: Rick and Coach Prime have been close. Fernando, I don't
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: know what that relationship likes. I don't think it's a
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: bad relationship. but I don't think they know each other
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: fully yet. I think, but Fernando is one of the
• 24:29
  Speaker 9: more personable people you'll meet. And so I imagine they
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: get along to a point, but who knows on business
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: side of things, but look, coach prime is not Fernando's guy. And,
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: you know, we know how this works. I mean, ADs
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: like to have their guy there and ADs are tied
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: to their football coach hires.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 24:44
  Speaker 9: And Fernando's got to get this right. And if he
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: doesn't believe in coach prime, I think that he'll, I think,
• 24:52
  Speaker 9: the fact that there was an 80 change could be
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: a catalyst for, for a change because this is not
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: his guy. Not to mention, I would say Rick George
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: would be slower to make a move than, than Fernando
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: would be.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Not to mention the guy that Lovo just hired. He's
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: doing a pretty good job back there at New Mexico too.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Here's the last thing for you, Brian, appreciate the time.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: It was so weird. The first few years, especially the
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: first couple that Dion was here, you know, we have,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: espn and these different tv shows on these studios and
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: it's like first takes on or you see paul feinbaum
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: and the the headline is would coach prime leave to
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: go to florida state or what you know what i
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: mean like there's always that threat of like if this
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: did work is this a stepping stone to a bigger
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: job do you think he gets another big job if
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: if no they end up letting him go no.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: I i think this would be I think this would
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: be his last coaching job unless he wants to go
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: back to a Jackson State type of place. I don't
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: know why anybody would, if this fails, if it continues
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: down this road, I'm not sure why anybody would say, yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: we need that guy. You don't see, look, he's 5-15
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: in his last 20 games, and if they don't win
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: another one, that's 5-20 in 25 games. There's not a
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: lot of coaches that go 5-25 in bigger jobs like
• 26:16
  Speaker 9: we need that guy right you know so i think
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: if he wants to keep coaching it's going to have
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: to be somewhere else and probably a you know a
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: lower level but look he's also the type that you
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: know could could take this nice buyout and go get
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: a tv job making just as much money if not
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: more and not only will he make the 26 million
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: from cu but he'll make 26 million doing tv over
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: the next few years so he'll probably be uh better
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: off financially if he gets fired.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of people Brian, there are a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: lot of TV.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Are there a lot of people up in, at CU
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: who work behind the scenes who maybe if this ends,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: they'll be like, thank goodness.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Did those people exist?
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: I'll just say there's a lot of people around that
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: are around every day that wouldn't be upset.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Brian, how far has this come?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Brian.
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: And I mean, I'm, I mean, media wise, everything else.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: It's like, it just gets exhausting.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: You know, and it's just, uh, You can act a
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: certain way, I think, when you're 9-4. I think it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 9: harder to get away with it when you're 2-5.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Brian, now, buff blitz on three.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Brian, hold on.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: You know that comet that comes around every so often?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: How do you pronounce it? That comet in the air?
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Starts with an H.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Halley's?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Thank you. You just verified something. Thank
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you very much. Appreciate that.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Moj is out here trying to go Hallie on us.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: He's trying to change the name on us.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: We don't do that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: We don't play that game. Brian, really appreciate the time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Hey, Brian, you and your third-grade education. Thanks an awful
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: lot for jumping on today. It's really nice.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Journalist.
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: I appreciate it, guys.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: There you go, Brian Howell. Gosh, I got to tell you,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: that is– the one thing we were wondering, Vic, Moj– Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: if you were to try and make a move, do
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: you have the cash to do it?
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: They have the money to do it. For the life
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: of me, I can't figure out why it doesn't work.
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: At least to some degree. I'm not talking about national
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: titles here.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Being as good as Iowa State. I'm talking about being
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: as good as West Virginia. I've been to Cincinnati Bearcats games.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: He said something that really resonated with me. The resources
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: are better at Boulder. It's crazy. It's exhausting. It really is.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It's exhausting.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: The hoops you have to jump through, the kiss the
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: ring mentality, it's exhausting. Especially the kiss the ring stuff
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: is great if you win. But you can't do that
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: if you're dead last in the conference.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I'll also say this. He mentioned it. He said this
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: is hanging on by a thread.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say this again because I said it yesterday. Vic,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: where did Fernando Lovo come from?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: New Mexico. Which coach in the country right now is kicking?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Jason Eck. Yeah, I know. He's a coach, man.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: There's already words coming out that Baylor's looking at Eck.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: I'm sure they are. He's winning at New Mexico.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is previous relationship made the hire. Guys
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: had success at lower levels. Think about it when he
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: was at. Idaho, I know it's FCS, but won a
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of football games, gets to New Mexico 9-4
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: last year, starts the game. this season 6-1. God, you know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: What we need? We need us a Cignetti, man. We
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: need some of that Cignetti karma. We need some stuff. Look,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: it's very interesting to me that he said that this
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: is hanging by a thread. That's very, very interesting.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: We're all the CU honks today.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: You need to have something to base it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Off of.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: If you want to honk, you got to have something
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: to honk about.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: There ain't nothing to honk about. A year ago, we
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: were getting killed on this show. Remember that? Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Dude, when he said this, I still don't know. I'll
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: take Brian's word for it because he knows more about
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: this than I do. Do you guys think that if
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: he was on, so you let him go. He's now
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: in the open market. Would there be any team at
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the FBS level that would be like, it didn't work there,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: but I bet I could make it work with him.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Doesn't feel like it.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Florida State. Doesn't feel like it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't be like, hey, come back here. That sort of thing.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: All right. That was very interesting, though. So that's Brian Howell. Again,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: talk to him. Talk to Jared Bednar earlier in the
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: show today.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: Coach was great today.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: He was.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Which was great. Today's morning skate is an optional skate.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Okay. So?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do I do with that? I thought you
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: had something afterwards.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Like a nugget of information I'm supposed to react to?
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: That means it's optional for Moj.
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: Cool.
• 31:21
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• 31:24
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• 31:44
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• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Vic, you haven't done it. Thank you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: You were supposed to tell us something you saw in
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: New Orleans last night.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, when I was walking to dinner.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Well, no, why don't you save it when we come back.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: It's not that big a deal.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Did you go to the place that I went to
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: and get the mortadella sandwich?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: No. No.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: When you suck.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Tell me where that place is. I'll go today.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: How long is your story?
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I ran into last night. I forgot it was Halloween week.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Not a medicine doctor, not a witch doctor.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: What are those people that want to? Voodoo? Yeah. Voodoo priestess? Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Right outside. There's a place here. Where they wanted me
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: to come in and do voodoo. I'm like, do I
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: look like a voodoo guy to you?
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: I would, if I knew voodoo, I would so voodoo you.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I would voodoo you.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Do I look like a voodoo guy to you? Like,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: if you just walk upon me, like, look at this guy.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: He's a voodoo guy.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: You look like you voodoo don't.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: So that's it?
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: You just ran into a voodoo person? No, man, voodoo.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: They're really pushing me to go do some voodoo.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Wait, was it Halloween or was it legit voodoo?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: That's what I was asking. I was like, wait, is
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: this a Halloween show? Is this a prank? Do you
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: have cameras around? What's going on here?
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: I don't mess with that crap. Ficking bones and little
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: stuffed caricatures.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Next time they ask you, Vic, say, I don't voodoo.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I voodon't. What am I, a gypsy?
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: 303-504-0925.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: That's your big story?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I told you it was a dumb, quick story. It's
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: not as great as your story about optional skate, though.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Please.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Keys to the game.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Next. Oh, I get it. I get it. I get it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Bill Haley in the comments. I get it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: So we have a double-dipper-oo tonight. The Nuggets will be
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: on AM 950, the Avs will be on 92.5, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: we will do this.
• 33:46
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's start with the earlier game, 6 o'clock
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: on AM 950. It is Nuggets and Pelicans, Vic.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Fellas, the conference and the division, I should say, the
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: division is now open for the taking. It's open for business.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma City's missing two starters for the season. A third
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: key player is out for several weeks. Minnesota's missing its
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: best player for two months minimum, Anthony Edwards, with an injury.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: So the Nuggets, I get it, Cam Johnson is out
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: and he'll be back soon, but the Nuggets, knock on wood,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: they're the ones sitting there going, whoa, we're healthy? Here's
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: an opportunity. And I'm not going to look at this
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: game and say, the key is to do that. The
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: key is to do this. This is a winless team
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: that you had to rally from 23 down at home.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Just find a way. Find a way. Gather some dubs.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Find a way, whatever it takes. If you have to
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: score 150, I don't care. Find a way. Win this game.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Start doing what you need to do to take a
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: lead in this division because the opportunity is there.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: 7 o'clock, 92.5, Devils and Avs, Moj.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: All about to start. New Jersey played last night. They
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: beat up on Dallas pretty dang good. This team is
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: a– they've now won four in a row, as you
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: talked about, Vic. They were a 4-4 team when the
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Avs went to Jersey. They've now reeled off four in
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: a row against some pretty dang good opponents. You heard
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: the coach talking about it earlier today. You've got to
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: win puck battles, one-on-one puck battles, two-on-two puck battles. You've
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: got to be first to the puck. When they've been
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: getting beat lately, three out of their last four, they
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: have not been first to the puck at all. All
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: the numbers look reversed from typically what you see out
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: of the Colorado Avalanche, and it's a weird feeling. Not
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: only that, but New Jersey, when they score three goals
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: or more, they are 7-1-0. So if you can hold
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: them to a couple, Pepper Jake Allen gets some revenge
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: for last week, and let's get this ship turned around. Ship,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: he said.
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: Ship.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: With a P.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Get this ship turned around.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Thank you.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: What do you think I said?
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I thought you said ship.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But his sound is dangerous. This ship.
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: It was the ship into turn. The ship turn. I
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: was wondering if we.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Were doing a DMACC podcast or a radio show for
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: a while there.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Ship.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: You know what's interesting when I listen to the Puck
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Around and Pot Out podcast with Kyle and Riker and Johnny?
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: I think they like being able to say foul words.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Pop one up every once in a while. Sure.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: You guys have done that on this show.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Broncos don't play till Sunday.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So that, uh, it's.
• 36:37
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  Speaker 3: Johnson auto Plaza. So, uh, both of those games on tonight,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: our separated from tip off and from puck drop tonight.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: That's right. Um, We will talk more about the Broncos
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and Chiefs as the next couple days approach, yes?
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Everybody has come in and said that. Astronomers pronounce the
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: comet like Halley rhymes with valley. Rhyming with valley. That's
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: what the people in the know say. Now, if you guys,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: you know, you want to be knuckleheads, go right ahead.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: You know, the old-fashioned way when you're like a little
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: kid and you can't talk about anything else, you say
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Halley's Comet. Then go right ahead. Just continue to be
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: dumb through your lives. Enjoy it. It's like you're fascinated
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: by going through your life stupid. I don't get that.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: You done?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Are you over this now?
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: You know what it is? Maybe it's the passing of
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Donny Iris. That kind of got me down a little
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: bit too. I love Donny Iris.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Not sure who that is, but I don't know who
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: that is either.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Nellie, give him a taste.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: No. No.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: We don't need to have tastes of anything. It's fine.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Was he a musician.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: In the 80s?
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: 70s and 80s, yeah.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh's finest? I mean, he had a couple of really
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: big hits.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: That's enough.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Love is like a rock.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: The games tonight, we talked to Jared Bednar earlier. Nellie,
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: could you dig something up for me? Go back to Bednar,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: and he was talking about just sort of The initial
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: thoughts of what happened over the weekend. The great game
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: on Friday followed by the stinker that came their way
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: on Sunday. And, you know, he said he had to
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: think about some things. And I asked him what exactly
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: that was. Because when you get a performance as good
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: as what Friday was, followed by, I.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Mean.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Again, the Avs have felt like all year. It's either
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: they're playing at an elite level or they're playing the
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: worst they could possibly play.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: There's hardly any in between.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Barely.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Barely this year. And you kind of know what you're
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: getting almost right away when the game starts.
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: I asked him about the blueprint because Pittsburgh did that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh four-checked the heck out of you. And you know
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: what you were able to do? You were able to
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: break that four-check and get through the neutral zone and
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: play your game against them, right?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: Because they jumped on you early. And then the Philadelphia
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Flyers said, hey, that kind of worked, but we got
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: to do it for a full 60, can we?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: And they did. And then you go play in New
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Jersey the next night, and they skate it all over you, man.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: And they're on you. They're first to the puck, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: they're forechecking the snot out of you. You got to
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: make good, crisp, quick decisions, tape to tape, and you
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: got to offer support to the guy trying to get
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: that puck out of the zone.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I leave today's show, and it was a good show,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: by the way. Three hours, we had a lot of stuff.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it's already over, to be honest with you.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: And the one takeaway I have is the comment that
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Coach Bednar made about a coach's role. And I will
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: go to my grave with this, especially when it comes
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: to the professional ranks.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, can a coach's message get stale? Of course it can.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: That ain't the problem here.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: But if you're asking a coach at the professional level,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: no matter what the sport, if you're asking a coach.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: to motivate a professional to play harder through words, you
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: got the wrong player.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: And I'll go to my grave with that. If the
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: words of a coach have to implore the player to try.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Harder, you got the wrong coach.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: He said that's Hollywood.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, the wrong player.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he said that's Hollywood.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: That's Hollywood.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: And I thought that was the great takeaway from today
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: for me because he has said it, and it's not
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: a defense of, Bednar or Adelman or.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Any coach in town. It's not a defensive Sean Payton.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: It's just at that level, you get to that level
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: as a player with a certain degree of pride and
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: a certain degree of energy and effort.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: And if you lose that, that's on you to get
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it back. It's nobody else's job.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: He made a great point where he said, okay, so
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: this is their part of the equation.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Let's listen to this.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: Go ahead.
• 41:16
  Speaker 8: I don't like repeating messages like back to back to
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: back to back. It's like, you know, the message coming
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: out of those two games is going to be, in
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: my opinion, probably similar to the one coming out of Nashville.
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: But for us, I think right now it starts with
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: getting the urgency that's needed and the competitiveness needed. to
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: win hockey games. And it's what the league requires. Like
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: it requires a certain amount of detail and a certain
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: amount of work and competitiveness in your group. And, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 8: then things tend to look right. And things tend to
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: go your way. If you, if you don't bring it,
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: then they can look ugly. And I think that's what
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: happened in Nashville.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's exactly right, but he's not, again, there
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: was a message that was after, you know, the, the
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: road trip a week ago where he's like, okay, two
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: bad games. I'll give them a little bit of a message.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: They come out there and respond on Friday. When they
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: have a game like that on Sunday, there is no
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: use in going back and saying the same thing that
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you said before. Like, they know. And the nice thing
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: about where both of these teams are at, they should
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: be in a place where they are a veteran-led team.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: It doesn't need to be a coach. You have Landis Goggin,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you have McKinnon, you have McCard for the Nuggets. They
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: have veterans on that roster that they will turn to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: And they sort of set the standard. And now it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: time for them to step up because both of these teams,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: you know, he also acknowledged that for veteran led teams
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that for, you know, seven, eight, nine years have been
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: playoff teams. Maybe they just don't take the beginning of
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: the season seriously because they know how far away the
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: playoffs are. And they're like, oh, God. It's going to
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: be so long before we get back to that point,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and maybe that's part of the reason why they aren't
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: taking it seriously.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Vic, in 30 seconds, what's the story with A.G.? I
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: don't know the answer to that. Is he okay? Physically? Yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. He's fine.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: He's not on the injury list. There's no sign of
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: any physical issues here.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: Well, you guys were talking about in the postgame the
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: other night, though, that he's– Well, he looked.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Like totally not right, so I don't know. He was
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: terrible in that last game.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: He was.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: He had a bad, bad game. Yep.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: He was great against OKC.
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: And then in the next two games, not so much.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: We'll see tonight on the road.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Again, the Nuggets will be on AM 950 tonight at
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: 6 o'clock. The Avs will be on 92.5 at 7.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Fact checker, please, Nelly.
• 43:51
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• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Does Neil deGrasse Tyson know stuff about space?
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he knows a lot about space.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: He alleges to.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: He alleges to? Okay, well, allegedly he did a.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Is he that celebrity physics guy? He is, yes.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: And he did a reboot of Carl Sagan's The Cosmos. Yes, exactly. Well,
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: here's a little snippet from that show.
• 44:22
  Speaker 9: That's Howie's Comet.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: Just saying, folks. Neil says it's Howie's.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Guess what?
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: Neil's a nerd.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: So go ahead and be a nerd, Moj.
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: That's Howie's Comet.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: To which I'd reply, I don't even know what is
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Hallie's comment. You mean Haley's comment. Bring him on the show.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Neil deGrasse Tyson is a big guy, so I couldn't
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: do this to him, but I could certainly do it
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: to Moj. I'll stuff you in a locker. Neil deGrasse
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Tyson's huge.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Nelly, give me a little on the way out, if
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: you would, please. We lost the great Donny Iris at
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: the age of 83.
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll bump you out with a little bit of that, Moj.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: I will also say when I was researching, you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 10: a lot of people say it's Hallie's, but Haley's is
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: also accepted. But then some people said that there's also
• 45:09
  Speaker 10: a third pronunciation that rhymes with Crawley.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Hawley's Comet?
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: Let's at least get that one out of there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Those are the true nerds.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: We can all agree that that one's gone.
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: It's Haley's or Halley's.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: No Hawley's. Agreed.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Again, games tonight, the Nuggets will be on 950 at 6.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: The Avs at 7 o'clock on 92.5. Both teams really
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: need a bounce back.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: We need a dub, man. We need a couple dubs.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: There needs to be some sort of, like, good feeling
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: heading into tomorrow about both of these teams. I don't
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: like the vibes that have been happening early in these
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: seasons for both of them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Let's get this thing cranked up here, baby.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: All right, so iTunes.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Here we go again.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see that voodoo doctor.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Go get some voodoo on that, man. Go get some.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Mosher Lombardi and Kane. It's where you can find the podcast.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: We'll let Mosher ride this out. We'll see you tomorrow.