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Jags HQ | Boselli, Gladstone on Jaguars' Response & Prep for Week 4 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags HQ. Brian Sexton and former Jaguar Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Loggeman sit down each week with the decision makers of
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  Speaker 1: your Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to bring you a product that you all
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  Speaker 2: can be proud of.
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  Speaker 3: With that, Game on.
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  Speaker 1: Jags HQ starts right now.
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  Speaker 4: I'd say people are pretty happy right now.
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  Speaker 5: After that dominant win, 35-6 over the New England Patriots
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  Speaker 5: last week, we welcome in the Jaguars Radio Network here
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  Speaker 5: for our coverage of Jags HQ. Brian Sexton along with
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  Speaker 5: Jeff Lagerman. We are in the Hyundai Studios inside the
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  Speaker 5: Miller Electric Center.
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  Speaker 4: Walking in the door.
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  Speaker 5: Right now is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations,
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  Speaker 5: and following him is the Jaguars General Manager, Tony Buscelli.
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  Speaker 4: And James Gladstone.
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  Speaker 5: As they get settled in, we will tell you that
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  Speaker 5: Sunday's game is brought to you by Bud Light. Bud
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  Speaker 5: the presenting sponsor of Sunday's game at Paycor Stadium in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 4: Hi.
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  Speaker 6: What's up, boys?
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  Speaker 4: You tell us. How's your day been so far?
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  Speaker 6: You know what? Um... It was good, good practice. Guys
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  Speaker 6: were out there flying around and very intentional with their preparation.
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  Speaker 6: So I think good work and a good work day
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  Speaker 6: tomorrow to get ready for the Bengals, which will be
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  Speaker 6: a very big test. I feel like we last year
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  Speaker 6: missed an opportunity to go win a football game, and
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  Speaker 6: so I think our guys are hungry, and I know
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  Speaker 6: we're excited to go– Test ourselves against a good football team,
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  Speaker 6: a team that's actually better than they were last year,
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  Speaker 6: especially on defense with what they've done in the offseason.
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  Speaker 6: So it's going to be a great test for us
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  Speaker 6: in a tough environment. Can't wait for it.
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  Speaker 7: And getting probably one of the hottest quarterbacks in the league, too,
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  Speaker 7: in Joe Burrow, watching that game this past week.
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  Speaker 6: He's pretty good, James.
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  Speaker 7: He's pretty good.
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  Speaker 6: He's a pretty good football player.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone realizes that.
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  Speaker 3: Got some pretty good weapons on the outside.
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  Speaker 7: There, too. Yeah, a little above average.
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  Speaker 3: There's no question.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have our hands full and look forward to sort
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  Speaker 2: of using the fuel of the result of last year
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  Speaker 2: in some ways as something to tap into. But nonetheless,
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  Speaker 2: I think as Tony articulated, it's been a good couple
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  Speaker 2: of days here out on the grass again and seeing
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  Speaker 2: our guys being intentional about their actions and put forth
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  Speaker 2: what our coaches are game-planning.
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  Speaker 5: Former Jaguars linebackers coach and former Bengals linebackers coach Mark
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  Speaker 5: Duffner said that he'd watched a lot of Joe Burrow.
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  Speaker 5: He was there with him for four years. And he
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  Speaker 5: thought that the way he played last week was maybe
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  Speaker 5: as good as he's playing, completed 75% of his passes,
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  Speaker 5: and there was the turnover at the end when he
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  Speaker 5: got hit. But you're getting a quarterback who's precisely hot.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he's surgical.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, at this point in time. And he's a guy
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  Speaker 5: who the games say he's completed– 84% of his passes
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  Speaker 5: in the games that we've seen him. So it's, how
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  Speaker 5: do you, how do you pressure him? He's great against
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  Speaker 5: the blitz. He's got big offensive tackles. How do you
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  Speaker 5: get to a guy like that?
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  Speaker 6: It's a, it's gotta be a coordinated effort by the
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  Speaker 6: entire defense. You got to cover on the back end.
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  Speaker 6: So you forced him to hold it at extra click.
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  Speaker 6: And then you got to go win a one-on-one matchups
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  Speaker 6: up front because, you know, listen, Campy does a great
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  Speaker 6: job of designing with our coaching staff game plans, you know,
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  Speaker 6: for each of our opponents and, And when to be aggressive,
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  Speaker 6: when to play coverage. I mean, all those different things.
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  Speaker 6: And campy will figure that out as they go through
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  Speaker 6: the week and have a great plan, confident of that.
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  Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, you've got to
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  Speaker 6: go win one-on-one matchups. And you've got to– hey, listen,
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  Speaker 6: our corners are going to be tested. Our guys, those
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  Speaker 6: are two of the best receivers, probably the best combo
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  Speaker 6: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's fair.
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  Speaker 6: And a guy in Jamar Chase that, you know– you've just,
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  Speaker 6: it's only halfway done once he catches it. Cause he's
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  Speaker 6: one of the best, if not the best run after
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  Speaker 6: catch wide receiver in football. And you got a guy
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  Speaker 6: like T Higgins, who's big, long and great ball skills and,
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  Speaker 6: and just goes win at wins contested catches. So you
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  Speaker 6: look at our corners or secondary, it's a big test
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  Speaker 6: for those guys. I know our guys are excited for it.
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  Speaker 6: I think, you know, Jeff, you know this as a player.
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  Speaker 6: There's always anxiety and nerves when you go against great players.
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  Speaker 6: But at the same time, you look forward to the
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  Speaker 6: opportunity to go test yourself as well. But it's a
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  Speaker 6: group effort. That's the only way you can stop these guys.
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  Speaker 6: And ultimately, you also realize that Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T. Higgins,
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  Speaker 6: those guys are going to make plays. They're very good
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  Speaker 6: at what they do. And we just got to go
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  Speaker 6: try to make one more than they do.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we were just talking about how you're not going
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  Speaker 7: to stop Jamar Chase and T. Higgins from having catches
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  Speaker 7: at all. It's just that's not realistic. But you can
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  Speaker 7: be realistic about minimizing the damage that happens after they
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  Speaker 7: catch it, you know, with those two guys, especially with
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  Speaker 7: Jamar Chase. Oh, man. Make a tackle after he catches
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  Speaker 7: the ball, even though he looks like Gale Sayers after
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  Speaker 7: the catch. I mean, he's tremendous.
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  Speaker 4: He's big, lower body.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 5: Surprisingly large. I mean, a guy that's very muscular, kind
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  Speaker 5: of like Parker Washington.
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: Like Tony said, it's going to take a coordinated effort,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not just in keeping the ball out of
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  Speaker 2: their hands, but once it's in it. The phase of
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  Speaker 2: the game that requires the attention of all 11 on
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  Speaker 2: the field is getting guys to the ground. We've certainly
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  Speaker 2: done our part throughout the course of– a few games
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  Speaker 2: here and got to make sure that that carries over.
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  Speaker 7: I think every game that you, that you guys probably watch,
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  Speaker 7: there is something that you take away from and that
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  Speaker 7: you gain great satisfaction from as an organization, whether it's,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the coach, you'd Liam or Tony or you
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  Speaker 7: or James this past game. What was the thing that
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  Speaker 7: you guys took as a great point of satisfaction in
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  Speaker 7: that game?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's been the case with a number of,
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  Speaker 2: games that you look at and can clearly.
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  Speaker 3: State, and this one's a response.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the first time that we felt like we
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  Speaker 2: let one get away, but we didn't let that taste
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  Speaker 2: just sit in our mouths for too long, bounce back
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  Speaker 2: in a way that was notable and showed some true colors.
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  Speaker 2: Now this week it's a totally different state of mind
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  Speaker 2: in comparison where you're trying to respond the right way
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  Speaker 2: to a result that you would have wanted to see.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a totally different reshape and reframe as you
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  Speaker 2: approach this next week. But, you know, the work remains
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  Speaker 2: the same. The cadence remains the same. The intentionality has
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  Speaker 2: got to remain top tier. And, you know, the way
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  Speaker 2: in which we close out the week is important because
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  Speaker 2: a week ago today we were at a spot where,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we were building and you could feel that hum.
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  Speaker 2: By Friday's end it was notable and guys were ready
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  Speaker 2: to rock at that point in time, and that's got
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  Speaker 2: to be the same way this week.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone listening wants to know, is it? You feel that hum?
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  Speaker 6: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's truly got to be built up through
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  Speaker 2: the course of the week.
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  Speaker 4: So is it the end of the day tomorrow?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's too early.
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  Speaker 3: The beat is building. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It's too early.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I think just to echo what James said,
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  Speaker 6: I think for me it's– you don't really know who
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  Speaker 6: you are as a team until you face some adversity. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, losing a football game is really the first
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  Speaker 6: taste of that. How do you handle it? And I
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  Speaker 6: think the most exciting thing for me is– the grit
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  Speaker 6: of the organization, the grit of our staff, grit of
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  Speaker 6: our players, the response, just like James said, and how
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  Speaker 6: they approach the whole week, how we show up to
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  Speaker 6: the game. Because ultimately, none of us know the outcome.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know how it's going to go Sunday. We
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  Speaker 6: didn't know going into Sunday with the Patriots exactly what
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  Speaker 6: that outcome was going to be. But the one thing
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  Speaker 6: you can't control is your response and how you show
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  Speaker 6: up and how you play the game of football. And
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  Speaker 6: I think one of the things that we want to
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  Speaker 6: be as an organization is is that there's a certain
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  Speaker 6: standard of how we play week in, week out. And
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  Speaker 6: if we don't meet that standard, that's the problem. If
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  Speaker 6: we hit the standard and the outcome doesn't go our way,
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  Speaker 6: that's the game of football. That's going to happen. And
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  Speaker 6: to see our guys approach it that way. And Liam
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  Speaker 6: does a great job, and we've said this multiple times
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  Speaker 6: on the show. He does a great job of communicating
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  Speaker 6: very clearly, concisely, holding the standard, keeping people accountable. When
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  Speaker 6: I say people, it's not just our players. It's the
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  Speaker 6: entire building. It's his staff, his support staff. It's all
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  Speaker 6: of us. Understanding that what we're trying to do takes attention.
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  Speaker 6: We have to live up to the words we say
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  Speaker 6: and the words we speak to each other. And to
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  Speaker 6: see guys do that, and you can really see, you
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  Speaker 6: feel it in the locker room, you feel it in
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  Speaker 6: the building, that each individual taking that responsibility, being accountable
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  Speaker 6: to their self first and foremost, their teammates, and then
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  Speaker 6: wanting to go out there and put the right stuff
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  Speaker 6: on tape.
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  Speaker 7: Here I was thinking that Basile would go offensive line.
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  Speaker 7: They responded.
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  Speaker 6: That's too easy.
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  Speaker 7: He didn't even go there.
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  Speaker 6: But that's easy. I mean, anytime you control the line
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  Speaker 6: of scrimmage, But I've got to go on both sides.
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  Speaker 6: There was a huge test last week. It's just as big,
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  Speaker 6: if not bigger, this week. It was. You had two
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  Speaker 6: great interior defense alignment for the Patriots. We have another
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  Speaker 6: two very good, great interior defense alignment. Dexter Lawrence is
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  Speaker 6: playing like he did two years ago, which was the
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  Speaker 6: best one technique when you talk about three-down player because
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  Speaker 6: run and pass. He's back to that level. So it's
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  Speaker 6: another great test. But it's no different than any week.
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  Speaker 6: is if you don't control the line of scrimmage, it's
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  Speaker 6: going to be hard to win football games. But when
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  Speaker 6: you can control the line of scrimmage like we did
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  Speaker 6: last week, and our offensive line did an outstanding job
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  Speaker 6: across the board, our defensive line, stopping the run. They
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  Speaker 6: could not run the ball at all. Forced them to
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  Speaker 6: be one-dimensional. That's how you win football games. This week
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  Speaker 6: we need to add the pass rush to it because
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  Speaker 6: you've got one of the best quarterbacks in football. So
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  Speaker 6: we need to add that dynamic as well.
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  Speaker 5: Joe Burrow is on fire, and the Jaguars hope to
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  Speaker 5: go put him out on Sunday with pressure on the quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: We'll take a break.
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  Speaker 5: When we come back on Jags HQ, we'll talk a
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  Speaker 5: little bit about that running game, improved by the addition
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  Speaker 5: of one player from the New York Giants, and we'll
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  Speaker 5: get Tony and James' opinion next. of what the Jaguars
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  Speaker 5: need to do to run the ball efficiently and effectively.
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  Speaker 5: We're back after this on the Jaguars Radio Network.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
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  Speaker 3: They can't get separation.
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  Speaker 5: Rolling right along here with James Gladstone, the Jaguars general manager,
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  Speaker 5: and Tony Buscelli, the Jaguars executive vice president of football operations.
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  Speaker 4: Also, Jeff Lagerman is here.
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  Speaker 5: Um, They gave up the 10th pick in this year's
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  Speaker 5: draft for Dexter Lawrence.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And he's 6'5, 350 logs.
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  Speaker 5: You thought maybe Hamburger or two above that?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's a little above that.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know how much he weighs. I'll say this.
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  Speaker 6: When he walks down the hallway of any building, he
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  Speaker 6: takes up the entire hallway.
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  Speaker 4: Which means he can fill a couple gaps on the.
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  Speaker 6: He is tall, big. The width of his body from
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  Speaker 6: shoulders down It's like very... I don't know how many
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  Speaker 6: humans are built like that on planet Earth.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know which ones will be alive. Devon Hamilton
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  Speaker 7: at 335 or Dexter Lawrence at 350. What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: There's no telling.
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  Speaker 4: No telling.
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  Speaker 6: The amazing thing.
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  Speaker 7: That's what they're listed at. I'm just saying what they're
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  Speaker 7: listed at.
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  Speaker 3: When you... Logs, you'll do this.
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  Speaker 2: You'll turn on the film and you'll see... Dex is
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  Speaker 2: crowding the line of scrimmage, crowding the ball in a
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  Speaker 2: way that's unlike any other player in the sport. It's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: His presence is screaming before the ball is even snapped.
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  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 7: His rear end almost covers two gaps by itself.
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  Speaker 3: It's impressive.
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  Speaker 6: It's impressive.
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  Speaker 7: There was a guard that played for the Atlanta Falcons
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  Speaker 7: back in the day who had the biggest rear end
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  Speaker 7: maybe in the history of football. And Dexter Lawrence's rear
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  Speaker 7: end rivals.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 7: He's– And the thing.
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  Speaker 6: Is, what's amazing, whatever adjective you want to use, is
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  Speaker 6: his athletic ability. This is not just a big man
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  Speaker 6: who's going to play first and second down and just
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  Speaker 6: eat it up. He has pass rush ability. He can
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  Speaker 6: get in the gap. They'll move him to a three
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  Speaker 6: technique and sub protection, let him rush the passer.
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  Speaker 3: He can catch the ball.
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  Speaker 6: What?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: How do you know that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he did it in training camp.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he's a great athlete. And so he's a
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  Speaker 6: very good– and so, listen, you play teams every week.
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  Speaker 6: You've got to account for individuals. We talk about the offense.
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  Speaker 6: You've got to obviously account for Joe Burrow. You've got
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  Speaker 6: to account for Jamar Chase, T.
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  Speaker 2: Higgins.
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  Speaker 6: On their defense, you have to account for Dexter Lawrence
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  Speaker 6: because he's a guy who can wreck a game if
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  Speaker 6: you don't.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's a pretty good trade. Tenth overall pick
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  Speaker 7: for a Dexter Lawrence. What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Seems like it's helping them win football games.
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  Speaker 4: If you win games, it's worth it. So their run
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  Speaker 4: defense last year was dead last, 165 yards a game.
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  Speaker 6: I think it was second to last, wasn't it? Wasn't
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  Speaker 6: New York Giants last? They were 165. If the Giants
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  Speaker 6: were worse than that, then they can have it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, they're right there in the bottom.
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  Speaker 5: If the Giants were worse than that with Dexter Lawrence,
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  Speaker 5: what are the Bengals doing? They're only giving up 95
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  Speaker 5: per game. So they're like 60% better with a guy
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  Speaker 5: that was a part.
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  Speaker 6: Of a bad run defense last year. I think that's
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  Speaker 6: what that speaks to. Brian, as you look at certain organizations,
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  Speaker 6: they go through periods of change and turmoil where there's
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  Speaker 6: not alignment and there's no continuity across the whole thing.
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  Speaker 7: There's different levels of play out of the same individuals.
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  Speaker 6: When that happens, it can affect everybody all the way
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  Speaker 6: down to what happens in the field.
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  Speaker 4: It just is.
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  Speaker 6: It's human nature.
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  Speaker 4: The numbers say it is.
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  Speaker 6: We've all seen it across the league. And And I think, listen,
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  Speaker 6: it was made no secret Dexter wanted to get out
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  Speaker 6: of there. He wanted to leave. He wanted to be paid.
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  Speaker 6: He wanted to go to a different organization. And you
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  Speaker 6: see it in his play. Like, there's a rebirth. He's
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  Speaker 6: playing at an extremely high level. And that can happen
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  Speaker 6: to guys. You're in a tough situation. Coaches get fired.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the will to go out there. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: football's a tough sport. But Dexter's playing hard. Dexter Lawrence
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  Speaker 6: football like he's an all-pro.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that also I think can be easy to
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  Speaker 2: overlook in the conversation related to his presence is.
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  Speaker 3: What it does for those around him.
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously him in isolation is good, but the play of
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  Speaker 2: those linebackers behind him has improved. It's a result of
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  Speaker 2: the guys up front and the improvements that have been
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  Speaker 2: made there across their roster.
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  Speaker 3: You see an.
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  Speaker 2: Entirely different demeanor of this Bengals defense than not only
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  Speaker 2: who we played this time last year, roughly, but also
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  Speaker 2: who they were over the back stretch of the season.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a tough outfit. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: anything but a challenge. And we look forward to seeing
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  Speaker 2: that come along.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's amazing. Linebackers get really a lot better when
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  Speaker 6: you can't get to them.
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  Speaker 7: No doubt. And they're running free.
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  Speaker 4: It's a simple game. I can't reach you. I can't
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  Speaker 4: block you.
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  Speaker 6: Ray Lewis is one of the greatest linebackers ever.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Hall of Famer. When they had the best defense,
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  Speaker 6: everyone says, man, Ray Lewis is so tough. I'm like,
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: we don't even know how tough he is because we
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: can't get to him because you have Tony Serkis and
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: Sam Adams. These huge human beings.
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: Two big guys.
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: And then you have an elite player like Ray Lewis
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: who can run free. It's like, oh, my gosh. Now,
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: these guys aren't Ray Lewis, but they're good football players,
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: and now you give them free access to run around
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: and make plays. Man, that defense gets better. That's because
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: of Dexter Lawrence.
• 15:15
  Speaker 7: Where is Dexter Lawrence on the pay scale? Like amongst
• 15:21
  Speaker 7: defensive tackles in the National Football League?
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: He's 26 right now.
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: $ 26 million a year?
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: I think Vita just got north of him at $ 30.
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: Vita Vea at $ 30? That's top of the food chain?
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: If we're just going nose tackles, then it's different than
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: IDL because Carter got up there above $ 35.
• 15:43
  Speaker 7: So you consider Dexter Lawrence a nose tackle?
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: But he would be considered a three-down nose tackle, which
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: is very rare.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, who else is a three-down nose tackle
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: besides Vitavia? Nobody else, right?
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: It's very rare.
• 15:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: I think that's the rarest.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Whether or not you classify Kobe Turner as a three-down
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: nose tackle or a defensive tackle is an interesting conversation,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: those types of things.
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: What's the top of the food chain now in the
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: National Football League as a three technique? Defensive tackle, pay scale.
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: Jalen Carter.
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: Jalen Carter.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: And was he at?
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: 38.
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: 38. 38 million. And who's two?
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: It would be Jeff Simmons.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: Jeff Simmons is who just signed.
• 16:21
  Speaker 7: Jeffrey Simmons, Tennessee Titans.
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: I think Quinton.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Quinton Williams is three.
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: He's up there, too, as well.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: They're a tier above everyone else.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: They all got done here at the beginning.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: Of the year.
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, just recently. And that's in the 30s, mid-30s?
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: 35 to 38.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: I think that is.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: The guys that we saw last week, Milton Williams and–
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: bar more like 22 to 26.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Right now, Milton's coming off as a bargain.
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: A little bit.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they signed him last year. They got a good deal.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Where's the pass rush come from from Cincinnati now that
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson is in Baltimore?
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was a problem last year.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Moffay's doing a great job. That was a free agent signing.
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: From Seattle.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from Seattle. Got the rookie on the opposite end
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: who's been doing a lot of good stuff with more
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: limited snaps. And then Murphy, who's been a contributor for him,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: isn't necessarily the rush-oriented edge player. but is a stable
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: presence and edge setter. And so the combination of those
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: three really are what's sparking a lot from the outside.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: I would figure if it works for the linebackers to
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: have Dexter.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: Well, that's the point. I mean, those are good players
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: by themselves. You get even better when all of a
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: sudden you're getting middle push and that quarterback can't step up.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: Now all of a sudden that corner gets a little
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: shorter for you because the quarterback's deeper.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Allen got off to a great start this season.
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: He's a good player.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player. No doubt.
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised. I mean, he's, what, year 10?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Is it already year 10?
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: I think it's like 9 or 10 for him. Yeah,
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: year 10. Nine years in Washington. Is that old for
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: a defensive tackle?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: No, those guys, it depends on their style, their game,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: how long it lasts necessarily. But you see guys go
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: into their 30s and it not be an abnormal approach.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And who on the back end do you have to
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: watch out for?
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Right now they're a little banged up at safety, so
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: they're going through some mix and match there, but their
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: corners are really good. They can run with a lot
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of dudes. They do great from trail positions, and it
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: sounds like Dax is going to move into the nickel
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: spot this week with some injuries on the back end.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Then their rookie is going to be out there on the...
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: the outside out of Washington.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: How rare is it for one big guy to come
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: in and change the whole trajectory of their defense?
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: Well, I think they also had Moffay from Seattle, so
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: they got the rookie.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: But would he have had the same impact without?
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: I think it's a group effort, but there's always guys
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: that come in, a guy like Dexter. I was reading something,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: I think, today or the day before yesterday, Jamar Chase
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: talking about the presence of Dexter Lawrence in the locker
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: room and in the team.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: I guess what I was equating it to was when
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Calais Campbell came here in 2017 and turned everything on
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: for that team.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, guys, there's certain guys that, you know, changed
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: the math on the field, no doubt about it. Dexter's
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: one of those guys because of his presence. But there's
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: also guys that a lot of times change the math
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: in a locker room, the culture, how they approach it,
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: their presence, their communication, just the standard in which they
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: approach things. And Dexter having the reputation he did, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: what he had done at New York at a high
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: level for so many years coming into Cincinnati, and his
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: excitement to be in a new place and wanting to
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: prove who he is is one of the best players
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: in this league. That presence is felt, and you can
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: see it, and that defense is playing at a different
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: level than they did last year.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Look, this stuff isn't a reason why so often I
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: sort of point back to the idea that we're not
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: simply in the talent acquisition business.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: It's because.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of talent that exists in the NFL,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: but so much of it is also rooted in systems
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and timing and that we're actually in the team building
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: business because you can point back to your question around
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: why weren't the Giants with Dexter Lawrence last year in
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: the conversation as one of the best run stopping units
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: defensively but now the Bengals fast forward are So much
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: of it is rooted beyond just an individual talent, and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: it is timing and the systems that actually have to
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: work in coordination. And that's a team-oriented game and the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: team-building business where we spend all of our attention. But
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Jacoby was in a very similar spot to what his
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: influence and presence meant to our football team a year
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: ago in comparison to the then Raiders. Why wasn't it
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: happening then? where he was elevating that space for them,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: but ends up here, and.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: You feel that bump.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: There's a lot that goes beyond just the individual talents
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that makes this all come to life.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and talk about the interesting thing is that if
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: you look at your drop passes last year prior to
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: his arrival and compare it to post-arrival, it's like night
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: and day.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Well, there was a very clear problem. We were struggling
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to catch the ball. Jacoby's superpower is catching the ball.
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: But obviously that superpower is kind of one of those
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: things that emanates into the room. Well, just look at this.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: The Bengals were struggling to stop the run. Dexter's superpower
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: is stopping the run.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Right, so sometimes it's not crazy complicated, you know, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: it does require timing and systems to see it to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: its fullest potential.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: We have one more segment with James and Tony, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: we'll do that right after this on Jaguars Radio.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Welcome back to Jags HQ. Brian Sexton along with Jeff Loggaman,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: James Gladstone, and Tony Buscelli.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Just because the Dexter Lawrence conversation got me thinking. Once again,
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: Devon Hamilton. Because he does not get the credit across
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: the league he deserves because he doesn't sack the quarterback.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: He did last week.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, he did. He did last week.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: Legit sack.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: He got the wind knocked out of him. But, you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: you talk about guys controlling the defensive line and doing stuff.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, another great effort from the whole group. But
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: that's how important having that guy, a big guy who can.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: And that's what Dexter does.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: So it's a similar.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: So as our fans think about watching this game and
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: you say, hey, the Jaguars run defense. Look how good
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: they've done. And we've talked about. Devon's presence, it's very
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: similar to a Dexter Lawrence in what he does because
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: those guys are so big and strong, they eat up blocks.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: And a lot of our guys like Foye and Ventro,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: who had, again, played good last week, strong games, the
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: access they have to go operate, that's how important. Those
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: guys don't always get the stat line credit. I think
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: James did a great job last week talking about Zach Allen.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Didn't show up on the stat line. And that's where
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: the team building that James was talking about of like
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: what we're trying to do here. Bengals did a great
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: job this offseason doing it. Those type of guys bring
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: a presence of just making everyone else around them better.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I was looking at Devon's numbers because, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: we're kind of looking at Dexter. What does Dexter Lawrence
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: have career sacks, Brian? See if you can find that number.
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: Just out of curiosity because Devon with that half a
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: sack now has got six in his career. So we
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: need to get one more so that he can average–
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: A sack a year. Let's go. But, I mean, most
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: people look at that and go, well, he's not that
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: good of a player. But he does so many other things,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: and he's a good pass rusher still in his own right. But,
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's the kind of things that sometimes, like
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: you're talking about with Zach Allen.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: It's the influence.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And more often than not, it's the influence, and it's
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: what it does for others and the rest of the unit.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, the way that we stop the run is
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: building a wall. and it requires you to remain sturdy
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and stout. It doesn't necessarily point to penetrate and pierce,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: and that's where you see a lot of the tackles
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: for loss, sacks, hits.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Pressure, all that kind of stuff.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So when you're in that schematic game.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: Of reading, which is what Devon does.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: A guy like Devon, we talked about last year, a
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: guy like Matt Dickerson. Most people don't even pay attention
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: to what Matt does. This is a guy who just
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: goes in there and eats up blocks. Another guy, Rook. Again,
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: comes over, new system, new way to play.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Had a great game.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Had a great game.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: And so those are the style of play.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: And a totally new system. Rook was in what you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Would call attack, react. We play a system that is
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the opposite. React and then attack. So, like you said, reading, right?
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So you've got to totally shift your state of mind
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: when you're moving from those. Those two systems, and Rook
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: obviously now through three games starting to find his groove
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and contributions within the larger scope.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: And it goes to like, it's no different. So you
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: look at this Bengals front. Yeah, Dexter's the guy that
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: everyone talks about. You mentioned Jonathan Allen at the end.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: And so it's a group that is playing together and
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: playing off each other. No different, though, than the pass rush,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: going back to the conversation. How do you stop Joe Burrow?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: You've got to win one-on-one matchups, but we've got to
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: rush in a coordinated way. We've got to play off
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: each other. You have the blitz.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: It's coverage.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, so much of these things is not about–
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: it's the individuals winning one-on-one, and we want to all
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: see that as much as possible. That's– you know, those
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: are what guys get paid to do is go win matchups.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: At the same time, secondary is not covering, sticky. playing
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: their tails off, forcing Burrow to hold a little bit longer,
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: those sacks. So many of the sacks, and James and I,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: every offseason, all the time, go through and as you're
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: going through free agency and everything else, you're looking at
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: guys that you might be interested in or who are
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: free agents or your own guys and trying to figure
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: out what they do well and everything else. And you
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: turn on a sack reel. And when we think of sacks,
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: the average person, you're like, oh, he just whipped it
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: and just got a sack. Most sacks are happening around
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: four seconds. Three, half, four seconds. A lot of them.
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: The best. And so often, for a quarterback to hold
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: that long, what has to happen? You've got to cover
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: people on the back end. And so it's this whole
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: team dynamic. We will win the game if we play
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: as a team.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: I would love to see, and I don't know if
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: there is even such a thing, but you look at
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: some of the, like Aaron Donald, for example. What's his
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: average time to sack versus... The average in NFL history.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: We can certainly pull that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: I mean, is that a metric that even gets– Oh, yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: It does? It gets measured? Oh, yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: Time to say it gets measured.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: We were watching Aaron Donald because he was coming back,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: and we went back and just watching his sacks. Aaron Donald,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: some of his best plays, he never got the sack.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: He was so disruptive. And some of his sacks– were
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: effort sacks that happened three, four, five seconds after the play.
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: And so it's one of those things that you just
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: hope it all evens out because he's whipping the guy and,
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: you know, pointing five seconds, but the quarterback's running around
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: and throws it away or someone else gets the sack
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: because of what Aaron did. Vice versa. There's times where
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: the chaos of everything happens And Aaron ends up with
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: great effort chasing down.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Tony can't stand some of these pressure rules.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Because as an.
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: OL, he's like, that's not a pressure.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: That's not a sack. And so what we need to
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: worry about, and this goes all the way back to
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: your original question about Joe Burrow, who's playing at a
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: high level. It's not always about how many sacks we get. Obviously,
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: you want the negative yards. That impacts, that gets people
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: off the field. It changes drives. Those are important. I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: not saying that at all. But we have to disrupt
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: his timing. The more disruptive we can be to get
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: him out of sorts and off his spot, that's when
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks struggle. We saw it with Trevor in Denver. James
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: did a great job of highlighting how Zach Allen played.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: Zero sacks, but he was the most disruptive player on
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: their defense. And that's what we have to do to
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Joe Burrow. That's what you have to do to every
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: quarterback in this league, because if you don't, they're too good.
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: They can get back there, and you can't cover long enough,
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: especially when you've got Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase out
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: there running around.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: All right, so I'm fascinated about this stat, time to sack.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Is that TTP or is that TTS?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: TTS.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: Is that a legitimate thing that you can pull up?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: And then TTT is time to throw.
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: TTT is time to pressure.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: How long has time to sack TTS?
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: I think we should go pull yours.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: But it's not very good.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: Eight seconds.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: No, it's a little less than that. It's probably around five.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: But what's like some of the great pass rushers in
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: NFL history? What was like their time to sack?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to start giving me these questions
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: ahead of time so I can actually pull.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I have not looked at it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: But is there such a thing? Is there a database?
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: Like Bruce Smith, could you go back and get time
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: to sack?
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: If I go to my computer and start hammering it out,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: it'll take just seconds.
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: Are you kidding me?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Who needs to commit it to memory when you've got
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: your computer?
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: So I can give you a homework assignment. So you
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: can do this. You're saying if I say, hey, give
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: you an assignment, right? Let's go. Next week I would
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: love to know like the top 20 time to sack
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: guys were or have been in NFL history.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: That's great.
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: You can get that?
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Now, the data sets typically only go back a certain.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: Well, as far back as you can go. I would
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: love to know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I'll answer your question. You asked how many sacks that
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Dexter has? 32 and a half.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: 32 and a half in his eighth year.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: That's impressive.
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: That's four sacks a year from a nose tackle.
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  Speaker 2: That's impressive.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: That's phenomenal numbers. In his three all-pro Pro Bowl years,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: he had 21. And you guys, you've got to go
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: back to work. So I've got my assignment done.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Time to sack.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: Time to sack.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to look it up on my fancy analytics.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Just curious.
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  Speaker 7: Just curious.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: We've got to take a break. We'll be back after
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: this on the Jaguars Radio Network.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: Jags HQ, Brian Sexton along with Jeff Lagerman.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: We got another stat we were just talking about. TTP.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Right, time to pressure. I'd seen that one.
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: So, okay, so this week, Joe Burrow, right? I mean,
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: time to sack, time to pressure are two critical metrics, okay?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: That I don't think after the game anybody's going to
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: go and say, hey, where can I find that TTP
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: or TTS?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where you get a little in the weeds.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Okay, but I mean, those numbers this week are incredibly important.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: So what should it be? I mean, you heard Tony.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: He said three to four seconds is where.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: Most sacks are. Well, that's like for a sack.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Normal, okay. How long does it take to make Joe
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Burrow nervous?
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: But we were just talking also off the air there
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: is that, okay, when does the clock stop? Is it
• 31:13
  Speaker 7: when contact is made? Or is it when the whistle
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: is blown?
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: And who's doing the grading? That's a very valid point.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: A lot of the next-gen stats, it's who and what
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: system they're applying.
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  Speaker 7: It's subjective.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: It's subjective.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: But I was like, for me, the time to sack
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: would be more of like time to contact with the
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: result being a sack. You know what I mean? That's
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: really what I'm looking at. Because every official might not
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: blow it dead. Until later, or say, you know, he's
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: still alive, but the fact is that he was.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: The point where he hit the quarterback and he can
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: no longer throw it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: Exactly.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, how do you decide it?
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so... But, I mean, I think it's a very
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: curious thing. And it's something that the Jaguars need to
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: be able to accomplish this week. And Orlando Brown, at
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: the left tackle position, is right now the weak point
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: of that Cincinnati Bengals offensive line. And he's got the
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: weirdest stance... You.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: Were saying this earlier.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: On the planet, and.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: And I don't know how better to describe it, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: I'm going to do my best. And I'm going to
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: be accurate and tell everybody exactly what I told you earlier.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: Go for it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: Okay, you know like when your son, when he's young
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: and he's got to go to the bathroom.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: You're talking like three, four years old.
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like three, four-year-old kid, and he puts his two
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: knees together. He's holding it. And he has a stance
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: to where he puts his knees together and Like a
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: kid that needs to go pee-pee.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Why would you do that?
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: It's just a weird stance.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Did his dad, Zeus, have that?
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: But anyway, he's a very large man.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: 6'8, 350.
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: And if you try to get in the game of
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: just wanting to overpower him, that's not the game you
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: need to play. You need to play the game that
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: you need to get on his edges and make 360
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: pounds or 50 pounds, whatever he weighs... in a real world,
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: and make him move.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: The most effective speed rusher this team has right now
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: is Dennis Gardeck.
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: Dennis Gardeck, and I've got to throw a little bit
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: of credit to Brian Thomas Jr. last week, his first
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: opportunity getting some rushes, and he did pretty well. But look,
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: our top guys, Josh and Trayvon, they've got to win.
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: And Trayvon, if he stays on the left side, Amarius
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: Mims is a good football player. and a very large man.
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: And Trayvon's typically a power player, and Mims has got
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: the size to negate power. So this is going to
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: be a significant matchup on both sides.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: All right, we need a break.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: When we come back, we'll have the UF Health injury
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: report as it is up to date at this moment.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: You are listening to Jags HQ on Jaguars Radio.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: The injury report today is brought to you by UF Health,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: the official health care partner of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And for the Jaguars, a.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: Lot of limited guys running back with Quint Allen, cornerbacks
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Christian Braswell and Monteric Brown, defensive tackle Devon Hamilton, wide
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: receiver Jacoby Myers, defensive tackle Albert Regis, and offensive tackle.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Cole Van Lannen.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: One addition to the report today, and that is tight
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: end Nate Borkature, who did not practice with an illness.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: A couple to note for the.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals, three or four guys that have not participated
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: in back-to-back days. Safety Kyle Duggar, defensive tackle B.J. Hill,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: starting offensive guard Dalton Reisner, and wide receiver Kobe Young.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: We'll see the final report about this time tomorrow.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Colby Young, third-round pick out of Georgia. Yoshivas, he
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: went to IR earlier in the year, had been their
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: third wide receiver, and then he got hurt, and then
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: they put in Colby Young, who's the third-round pick. He's
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: gotten some snaps, and then Dante Myers. But, you know,
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: they don't– I like our third wide receiver options much
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: better than I do the healthy Cincinnati Bengals ones. That's
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: a two-headed monster. The third.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: When you have Jamar Chase, why are you even throwing
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: to number three?
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: Well, the third is the tight end, Kosicki.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Former Miami Dolphin.
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Just to put it in context, the last two games
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: that Jamar Chase has played against the Jaguars last year
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: in Cincinnati and the Monday night football game, I think
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: it was. It was either Sunday or Monday. I think
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: it was Monday in 2023.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: 25 catches, 313 yards.
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: Whew.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: And two touchdowns.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: He is coming off of back-to-back seasons in which he
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: has had 125 or more catches in each season.
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: I think it's interesting in that I was looking at
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: his career numbers. And 538 catches, right?
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: And he's in what?
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: He's in year six. So he's going to hit 600
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: receptions this year. Right?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Easy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, easy.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: Based upon.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: What he's done.
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: You've got a guy that's averaging over 100 catches a
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: year in the first six years of his NFL career.
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: And that's crazy.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Now you know why people say future Hall of Famer
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: and nobody ever contested.
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: Made the Pro Bowl every year.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: Last year, the Jaguars couldn't get their hands on him.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: 14 catches, 165, and a touchdown.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: Can you imagine... If you had Justin Jefferson and Jamar
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: Chase on the same team.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: You might win the national championship.
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: And then Parker is your three.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Those two guys, by the way, were on the same team.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: You probably know it. I know. LSU with Joe Burrow.
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: It's crazy.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: No wonder they went 15-0. Hello.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, think about that. I mean, LSU had those
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: two guys and Joe? Yeah. I mean, no wonder Trevor
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: lost his first game ever at Clemson.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Against those guys. Yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Playing at such a high level and– The value of T.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Higgins on the other side. Because he's so big and tall.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: You can't cover him man on man. You've got to
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: go zone.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: On him, don't you? No, and you go back a
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: couple years ago and think about how the Cincinnati Bengals
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: didn't want to pay him. When every team in the
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: league was like, don't pay him. Send him to us.
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: We'll take him.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: And they paid him $ 28 million a year and he's
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: a bar.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: Finally, they paid him.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Because Chase is over 40, I believe. He's the highest-paid guy.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: Two really good receivers. The top two combo in the league.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Jaguars and Bengals. It is a 1 o'clock kickoff on
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Sunday at Paycor Stadium in Cincinnati. We'll get things started
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: for those of you listening locally on our flagship station, 1010XL,
• 38:11
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• 38:15
  Speaker 5: and Austin... Lane.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Join me for that.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: And then we'll bring you in the network around at
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: noon Eastern time and a one o'clock kickoff followed by
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: the post game show. And for those of you local,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: the Jaguars scoreboard show, we'll take a break and come
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: back to wrap.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: No, not wrap.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: We've got more to go. We'll come back right after
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: this on the Jaguars radio network.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: And welcome back to Jags HQ. Brian and Jeff with
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: you for about eight or nine more minutes.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: And listen, shame on us. We've been talking.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: About Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, and how the
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Jaguars are going to handle that. We talked about the
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: running game because of the storyline of Dexter Lawrence and
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: what he's meant to the Bengals in his first year
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: in Cincinnati. But the Jaguars have a quarterback who is
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: playing so well They can go up there and go
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: toe-to-toe with Joe Burrow, maybe for the first time since
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: they faced him, because in those other three matchups, Trevor
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: wasn't playing like.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: He is now.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: He's playing top five in the National Football League and
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: in the MVP conversation. And I'm not a gambler, but
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: I saw him. article that was talking about odds of
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: people that could win the MVP. Josh Allen is at
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: the top. And then Trevor is right there in the mix.
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: And the reality is that he should be in the mix.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: Small market, I think, lowers his chances a little bit.
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: If Trevor were in New York, Do you think those
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: chances would be much higher? Absolutely.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Everyone would be talking about it.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: There's no chance that people would dismiss it, and some
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: people do because, again, they look at a smaller market
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: that they don't see as often as you do.
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: No doubt. No doubt. And I think it's easy, too,
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: to talk about the big plays in the game that
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Trevor makes is to say why he's good. But there
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: are some plays that aren't considered that big that are
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: why he's that good. You go to that 15-play drive,
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: which ate up a ton of game plot. And on
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: that drive, he had that one play. If you'll remember,
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: he was under pressure. And at the last second, he
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: finds Basial Tootin to his left and gets it out
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: at just the right moment. Basial Tootin makes a nice
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: little gain out of it. So that one ends up
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: being what could have been a negative turned into a positive.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: There was another play in which he gets it out
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: of his hands as he's being hit. He just flicked
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: the wrist and it lands to Jacoby on a third down.
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: It converts the first down. And then he had another
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: one that he took a sack on, and a lot
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: of people say, well, big deal. Well, no, it is
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: a big deal because the Trevor Lawrence of a couple
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: years ago.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Who was giving the ball away.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: Might have tried to throw it away, and it ended
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: up in the wrong hands. But he just said, hey, look,
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: I'm going to take a sack here, live to play
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: another down. And then you have the other play where
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: he's getting chased out of the pocket on a naked bootleg.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: There's nobody open, and he just throws it away. The
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: Trevor Lawrence of old might have ran out of bounds.
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: and taking a sack for.
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: A while because we've seen those mistakes in the past,
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: but that's, it's just amazing to watch the maturation or
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: maturing process of Trevor.
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: Uh, and right now he's playing at an elite level.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: By the way, the play to Tootin that you mentioned
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: would be a perfect example of passing yards over expected.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, right. Cause you weren't expected to get sacked if
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: you watch that. Right.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, I, I guess.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I just, I'm just tweaking you just a little bit.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Um, Just a thought, because talking to guys in the
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: locker room, there's a lot of confidence in him right now.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: He is lifting the performance of all those players around him.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: He is doing what his college teammate, Dexter Lawrence, is
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: doing in Cincinnati on the offensive side of the ball.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: That's right.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Pretty impressive to see.
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: It's fun to see, and then it's also fun to
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: listen to him talk about plays after the game, because
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: when he talks about it, He's not talking about it
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: from a singular position. He's looking at it from the
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: macro perspective because he understands everything he's seeing.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: He's a lot of fun to watch and listen to
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: right now. And as the guys in the locker room
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: will tell you, because they did tell us this week,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: fun to play with. We'll take our final break and
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: come back and wrap up Jags HQ on the first
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Thursday of October here on Jaguars Radio.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Welcome back. Jags HQ continues right now.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Jaguars on the road Sunday.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: Paycore Stadium in Cincinnati taking on the 2-1 Cincinnati Bengals.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: And listen, I know, Jeff, that a lot.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Of people are looking at that Broncos 49ers game and
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: saying that is the marquee game of the week. I
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: wouldn't get too far from this one. Two former number
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: one overall picks. Back-to-back years. National championship winners played against
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: each other in college. I think this has the potential
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: to be a wonderful game. It's going to the fourth
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: quarter for sure.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: For me, this is a total popcorn game. When you
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: have history like these two guys do, even though they
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: were a couple years apart in college, the national championship game,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: the connection between guys on their team, guys on our team, Clemson, LSU,
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: this is a must-watch game. Anytime you have two elite quarterbacks,
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: it is must-watch TV in my book.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: What's the differentiator? What It has to happen.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: For the Jaguars. I'm a big believer, and obviously it's
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: tried and true. Takeaway battle is everything.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Eliminate possessions.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: And the Jaguars' defense has done a great job of
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: taking the ball away. They've had six on the year.
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: They've gotten 31 points off of those six takeaways. If
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: you take the ball away against Joe Burrow and score
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: some points, that's a big swing.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: We're going to find out Sunday, 1 o'clock kickoff, 10
• 43:59
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• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Tailgate Show, and noon for Countdown to Kickoff on the.
• 44:05
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• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Thanks for spending some of your evening with us, with
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Jeff Lagerman, for Tony Buscelli, for James Gladstone, and for
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: Mark Duffner and our entire broadcast crew. We wish you
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: a very good evening, and we'll talk to you on
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Sunday from Jacksonville in Cincinnati.