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Ep. 195. Justin from 'IDon'tBeatGames' · Vigilante Vibes Podcast

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  Hello to all the comic fans, Marvel geeks, and all the nerds
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  in between. Welcome to another episode of
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  the Vigilante Vibes podcast where we talk all things about
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  Marvel without the toxicity that's taking up way too much
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  space in each and every fandom. So I'm your host, Megan Nicole,
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  and today I'm very pleased to introduce a very special guest.
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  Today I'm joined by the amazing Justin from I Don't Beat Games.
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  You may have seen him literally everywhere on the Internet,
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  spreading his nerdy gospel and being the biggest Blue Beetle
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  Stan I've ever met in my entire life.
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  So hello, Justin, thank you for. Joining us.
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  It's an honor to be here. And yes, it is true.
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  I kind of become known for being the Blue Beetle guy, which is
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  genuinely hilarious. But I roll with that.
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  I wear that as a badge of Otter. You should even like your
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  background is very Blue Beetle vibes.
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  Yeah, I could change the color, but I was like, you know what?
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  I have to stick to the brand. I'm a keeper.
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  I'm not going to change it. Let's give the people what they
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  want, you know? And that is like, it's so funny
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  because every time on threads, if you guys aren't following
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  Justin, you're bananas. Look up.
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  I don't beat games. Just follow them.
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  You will not regret it. But every time I see something,
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  anything, a morsel blue beetle, I know you're going to be tagged
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  in it without doubt. And I always like, oh, it's
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  going to be me today. Nope.
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  Someone beats me to it. I'm like, you know what?
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  That's fine. It's become a thing where it's
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  really funny to me because like, I don't know where this began,
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  but everybody for some reason on threads feels the need to tag me
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  whenever it's something about Blue Beetle, whether it's news,
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  whether it's a random post, whether it's them telling me I
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  watch Blue Beetle because of you.
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  And I'm like, really? And it's just funny to me
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  because it hasn't stopped. It's like every single week at
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  this point. And I'm just like, you know
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  what? I'm fine.
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  So be it. Keep doing it.
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  It's great. James Gunn's better run you that
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  money because you're like the only one who's out here doing
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  this. Look man, I'll take what I can
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  get. It doesn't have to be money.
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  But James Gunn, if you need me out of blue carpet for the Blue
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  Beetle animated series, I'm there.
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  That's not, that's it. I mean, it's like it's such a
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  big thing with you. The other day I was putting on
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  my Blue Beetle shirt and I was like, Aww, I don't be games.
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  It's great. I just, I just love that this
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  has become so synonymous with me because like usually when
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  something happens like that, you kind of just grow tired of it.
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  But for me, it kind of like adds a sense of like strength of
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  like, I'm glad people see Blue Beetle and they think of me like
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  that. That makes me happy.
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  So besides your Blue Beetle persona, I guess I don't know.
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  Personality quality, Yeah, sure. Great.
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  I don't know. Tell us about you, because
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  you're everywhere. OK so hi, my name is Justin.
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  I am a New Yorker. I am a very nerdy person.
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  I have been into movies for as long as I can remember.
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  A lot of people know this already, but my favorite movie
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  of all time is Jurassic Park. That should not shock anybody
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  who knows me. I became ADC fan around the
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  golden era of cartoons, which is when Teen Titans was on, you
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  know, Cartoon Network, Batman Beyond, Justice League, Justice
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  League Unlimited, Static Shock, like that became my world.
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  For me, of course, like everybody else, when Iron Man
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  came to the big screen, I still remember seeing that in
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  theaters, believe it or not. And for me, I started my journey
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  of consecration with one goal, which is to just be like an open
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  voice where I feel like I'm giving my opinion to people and
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  rather than than it being I'm right, you're wrong.
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  It's more like, this is my opinion, This is why I feel this
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  way. This is what I mean by what I am
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  saying. Please tell me whether you agree
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  with me. Tell me why you disagree with
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  me. Just voice your opinions in the
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  comments down below. That has always been my goal.
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  So with threads, I realized that at that point in time, I wasn't
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  like totally in love with video making 'cause you know, I'm sure
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  you can relate to this video making an exhausting process.
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  A lot of people just. Exhausting.
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  Process. You have to love it to want to
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  keep doing it. And I burned myself out on it
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  and I was like, I'm just gonna do something different.
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  And threads launched and rather than like trying to make videos
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  and promoting it and trying to get people to Click to a link or
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  whatever, I decided what annoys me the most when Twitter was a
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  thing, right? And I'm sure you will absolutely
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  agree with you when I say this, I it, it genuinely infuriates
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  me. But I hate, and it's a very
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  strong word. I hate people who make accounts
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  and then they go and they're like this character's in this
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  movie. This character has a scene doing
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  this. This person is cast as this
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  person. It angers me.
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  So I decided out of spite, right?
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  This sounds so dramatic, but it's so true.
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  Out of spite. I was like, I'm going to be the
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  person that makes it a trend to post news, post the source, put
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  the links, give people credit, put quotes, make it as detailed
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  as possible so people could stay informed and know that all of
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  these other people who are getting their hopes up are
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  wrong. That's how we got here.
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  Walt single handedly taking on the haters of She Hulk.
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  Yeah, that's. Become a brand I love it it's so
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  funny to me because all of this started because one day I know
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  this someone said in my mentions and it's one of the many people
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  there's so many people who I know who are going to watch this
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  that are always in my mentions right and someone kept asking
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  like what's your opinion on she Hulk what's your opinion on she
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  Hulk and I they. Want to catch you slipping.
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  They want you to say like it sucks, like why is it a show?
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  And the thing about me is that I could understand this.
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  So what I did one day was out of spite and this was like two or
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  three months ago. I was like, I'm just going to
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  make it that people know where I stand on She Hulk, Ironheart,
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  Miss Marvel, like you're going to know how I feel about this.
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  So I did it one day and it went mega viral overnight on threats
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  like I had like 3,000,000 impressions and I was like, oh,
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  there is something here. And I caught hey, for weeks.
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  A lot of people don't know this. Like you see the dunking, you're
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  like, oh, he's great, but my mentors are like, you suck,
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  you're woke this, that, whatever.
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  And I'm just like I always said was that it's like really good.
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  You shouldn't hate it. And then now it's just a thing
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  where I'll see like a She Hulk mentioned in my notification.
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  I'm like, oh, opportunity. Let me see if you're right or
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  wrong. You're wrong dunked on you.
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  I've. Had I've had something similar
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  where I someone said post your Marvel hot take and I said if
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  Tony Stark was a woman he would be the most hated character of
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  all of Marvel. And you're right.
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  And yeah, And the amount of people is like, that's not true
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  though. And I'm like, are you high?
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  Are you OK? Yes, it is.
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  First of all, yes it is. They would have been like, oh,
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  she's rude to Captain America. Oh, why is she being
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  unnecessarily snarky? But because it's Tony Stark
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  doing it, it's aw, look, that's Tony.
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  That's just Tony being Tony. That's what we expect out of
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  him. That's why we love him.
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  It's the difference of Tony being Tony and then they would
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  say oh she's just a girl boss. And it's like, why is that a bad
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  thing though? I'm sorry, but like.
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  Robots are great. And This is why when anybody, I
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  don't know if you remember this, but when Daredevil bored again
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  came out and the episode where Miss Marvel was mentioned, I had
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  people in my mentions telling me how ridiculous I am, how is
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  unnecessary, how it was being forced, how could they do this?
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  And then I'm looking at these people in my mentions and I'm
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  like, this is world building. They're in the same.
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  World to be in the MCU. This makes sense.
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  This isn't forced. Oh, but if it was the Hulk that
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  they brought up, they'd be like, Oh my God, continuity.
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  But it's like Marvel. So they're like it's forced and
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  you're like, no, your ignorance is showing very, very highly.
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  It's the people who scream that they want comic accuracy.
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  But then if you give them a comic accurate character, that's
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  a woman, that's someone who's black, who's of a certain color,
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  they're like, we don't want that comic accuracy.
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  And it's like. OK, what people don't realize is
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  that the people who are loudest about comic book accuracy,
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  they're the ones who don't read comments.
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  I don't know if you notice this trend, and I've I've stayed
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  quiet on this for months. But there's one thing I've
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  noticed about Marvel fans and DC fans.
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  Don't get me wrong, I love both universes.
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  I will have always been vocal that I'm ADC person first.
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  That is no unknown factor. I'm wearing a STAR Labs footy
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  right now for God's sake. But when it comes to DC fans,
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  when if James Gunn posts a picture, if anybody posts a
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  picture, whether it's Dave and Corn Sweat, Rachel Brosnahan,
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  Nicholas Hou, whoever, if they post a picture of a comic book,
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  that comic book is going to be sold out within a week.
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  They read the comics. Oh yeah.
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  Are passionate. Super girl woman of tomorrow.
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  Good luck finding it anywhere. Exactly.
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  And that happened last summer when it first got announced.
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  But when do we talk about a Marvel comic selling out or
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  Marvel fans talking about, Oh my God, I just went to go get this
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  Marvel comic. It's happening now because of
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  Secret War and it's happening now because of Avengers
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  Doomsday, which I know we're going to get to.
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  But I've never seen this common thing of Oh my God, I've read
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  Marvel Comics. I always see on social media
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  like, oh, I'm into DC, I'm into this genre, I'm into this brand.
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  It's not just DC specific, but when it comes to Marvel, I've
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  noticed that all the people who are like I want this, I want
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  that, I want comic book accurate, I want this suit, I
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  want that suit, I want this storyline.
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  I want that storyline. Then they're giving it.
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  And it's not like that. But notice it's always with the
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  people of color related shows or movies.
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  Oh, yeah. What I think it is, is the I
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  think if DC had been in the same continuity from like what 2010,
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  like Marvel has, I think there would be more of that.
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  But I think because they started with the MCU, with The Avengers,
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  they started Tony Stark, Chris Evans, Captain America, I think
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  we would see that more in the DC side.
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  But it's almost like the DC fans are like, this might as well be
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  changed. This might as well be restarted.
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  We've been there enough. It's not even just about being
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  through enough is that we're used to things, having to have
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  an arc and then come to an end. We're used to being given
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  things. It runs its course, we get the
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  next thing. How many Batman movies are
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  there? How many Batman shows are there?
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  How many different shows have come and gone since the early
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  2000s of they did 5 or 6 seasons, it's done.
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  Here's the new thing, we did all these Snyder verse movies, some
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  of them were successful. Most of them weren't critically
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  and box office wise don't come from the Snyder verse fans.
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  I like Snyder, I'm a Snyder verse fan.
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  I like the movies. They're just very, they're not
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  the characters exactly. They're variants of the
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  characters in my opinion. Like that's what I see them as.
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  That's what I don't mind viewing it as if it's an Ellis world's
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  tale and you're like, yeah, the reason why I like is because I
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  view it as this alternate Earth where it's this tone and X going
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  for this type of vibe and this type of story.
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  Then I'm like, I'm on board. But if you're going to tell me,
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  I think the Snyder verse is the perfect iteration of the DC
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  characters. It's like, no.
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  Oh, the amount of people. Oh, the Henry Cavill fans.
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  I don't even like I had this conversation once and I know I I
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  got attacked for this. I'm not going to lie for you.
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  I've had my fair share of hate trades.
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  OK, It's fine. I remember what the Flash was
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  like starting production and it was like, oh, we're hearing
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  rumors this that it's going to reverse.
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  It's going to do Flashpoint, it's going to reverse the
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  timeline. It's going to reset everything
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  and it's going to be brand new. And then they can start a new
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  going forward. And I'm like, good.
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  That's what we need. We need a reset, boy.
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  We need to drop everything, let it be a blank slate and let's
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  push forward. And I said that publicly and I
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  got harassed for 48 hours. But it's true.
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  Like if Secret Wars is something that changes, it's there's a
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  huge reboot, small reboot, whatever it's needed.
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  Like with Flash, it was needed and all I can think about that
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  movie is how he runs. I can't think about anything
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  else but the running. I I think about that and the
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  fact that Barry Allen stalks Iris for the first half of the
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  movie or something like that. I feel like that was a thing.
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  If I'm misremembering that he constantly goes to the costume
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  shop and he's been watching her for a while, I remember that.
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  Yeah. Isn't that where the baby in the
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  microwave thing? Yeah, yeah.
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  I can't think of We watch. Your point of Secret Wars, I
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  have had the head cannon and this is specifically because
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  Kevin Feige has said this with interviews with Variety,
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  deadlines, The Hollywood Reporter.
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  I got the sources, I could link it.
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  Trust me. I have a whole 20 page
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  presentation about doomsday sitting in a document.
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  Yes. It's true.
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  Because I've been, I've been keeping track.
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  Of pages. Because here's the thing, OK,
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  I've been keeping track of because everyone's like oh, it
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  doesn't work, it doesn't connect, nothing works.
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  And I have a detailed document with articles and links of how
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  we got here, the different things that could connect to
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  Doomsday and just the leaks that have happened over the last week
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  at which we'll get to. But real quick, my point with
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  Secret Wars is that with Kevin Feige being like, I don't want
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  to call it a reboot, but we're doing a reboot of some kind,
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  tells me I don't think they're confident that Marvel fans are
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  ready to let go of some of the characters they're probably
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  going to kill off in Doomsday. That's how I view it.
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  And I think it's necessary to bring in new faces.
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  Like, for instance, I like Hugh Jackman, Wolverine, I'm I'm
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  ready. More than ready.
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  Get him out. Get him out.
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  Bring X-23 in. It's never been done.
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  Yeah, he can be Old Man Logan and something else.
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  But like, I want something else. I want something new.
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  The same thing happened eventually.
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  I'm not ready just yet, but I'm getting there with Tom Holland
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  and Spider Man I I've had my course with it.
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  It's fun. He's been great.
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  Give me two more movies. Get him out of here, bring him
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  Miles Morales. Like, we need to get the ball
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  rolling on introducing new iterations of characters.
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  I'm sure Thor is eventually gonna get his own send off,
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  which I don't think he's gonna die in Doomsday.
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  That's just me. But my point is, is that like
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  with DC fans, you tell them we're gonna reset this, we're
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  gonna hit the reset button, we're gonna take a pause and do
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  these Elseworld tales right. We're down.
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  They're open to it. They're like, yeah, why not?
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  Some were, some didn't know what reboot meant.
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  So they're like, oh, so Henry Cavill's out.
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  Is Gal Gadot gonna stay? And you're like, sweetheart,
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  they're all done. They're all done.
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  And they're like, well, what about Aquaman?
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  You're like, oh, my poor summer child.
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  You just want to wrap them in a blanket.
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  You're like, we're going to learn a new word today.
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  It's called reboot, then it's all.
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  New and I fear for when Kevin Feige gets on that stage at San
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  Diego Comic Con at whole age whether it's 2027 or 2028 my
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  theory is 2028. I think they're gonna let us
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  have doomsday and secret wars and have that period of them
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  marketing it, them hyping us up, not saying anything about what's
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  coming after here. He has well, here he.
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  Has he said it's gonna be mutants?
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  Well, yeah, but what I mean is like, we're not going to know
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  the official projects. I mean, like I'm saying like, I
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  think they're going to leave us in the darkness for a while of
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  like, let's let them sit in the mystery because that's what it
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  seems like they're kind of aiming for.
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  We know we got Spider Man. We know we got Doomsday.
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  We know we got Secret Wars. And then we know because Ryan
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  Coogler admitted in front of a audience at some sort of event.
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  I know I posted about it. I have all the sources.
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  I'm on threads. If you want your links and your
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  sources, I post them. But Ryan Coogler already said
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  he's doing Black Panther 3. Go to Denzel, they all they did
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  it, they all said it so but. Here's the thing, I don't think
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  people are realizing the way he's talking.
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  And I don't know if it's because of the success of Sinners, which
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  fantastic movie, one of my favorite movies of the year.
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  I think he's gonna walk away from Marvel after Black Panther
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  3. But that's just an opinion I
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  have held for a while now because the way he sounds like
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  and the way he's been, you know, slowly beginning to talk about
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  it, it's kind of feels like they're kind of ready to leave
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  the baton to someone else to pick up that storyline.
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  That's how it sounds. Stupid if if the Black Panther
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  story is done at 3, great. That's cool, that's awesome.
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  What I want is Ryan Coogler just to stay to give us a Storm
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  origin story. That's what I need.
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  That would be peak. That's what I'm saying.
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  It's that easy. It's just that simple.
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  Like I don't ask much. I.
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  Have the fear because with all the thing I know everything is
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  changing with the Netflix deal and the Warner Brothers.
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  I know that's all up in the air right now.
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  But what if, what happens if Warner Brothers gives him a
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  contract for you know, how they're doing at Paramount with
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  all these different four picture deals, you know, one year deal,
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  2 year deals, whatever. What if Warner Brothers comes in
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  and they're like Ryan, you know, Ryan Coogler, you did sinners
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  took over the world. We loved it.
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  You had fun with it. We want to give you a contract
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  to come over to us. You think he's going to say no?
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  I don't know, he surprised me with a lot of stuff because I
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  didn't think he was going to come back for Black Panther 3.
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  But then when he actually said it, I was like, OK, this is a
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  ride or die feeling. That's what it feels like for me
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  and him, that he, he is ride or die for the Black Panther
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  franchise, the whole saga because of Chadwick Boseman, you
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  know, Michael B Jordan, all that.
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  So I guess wherever he does go, if it's not Storm, which would
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  really fucking suck, you can be excited to see Michael B Jordan,
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  which we all are. We all I think that's something
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  that we all want to do, want to see.
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  But like I wonder if he wants to do it because I don't think
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  Michael B Jordan has ever openly like, you know, petitioned
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  himself like you know how the actor from F1, I think it's dams
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  in Idris. He's been petitioning himself
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  very hard for. I want to be Black Panther.
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  Like he's been saying it. He's over and do.
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  It he'd do well. I just don't know if, you know,
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  Michael B Jordan has done that. Like I, I, I don't know if he's
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  been vocal too much about wanting to touch that area or if
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  he sees. That I hope.
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  I hope he doesn't because he was at Chadwick Boseman's star on
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  the Hollywood Walk. I genuinely don't think he would
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  get into his role because that wouldn't feel right.
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  Yeah, and I respect that. If he totally just came out and
• 18:30
  was like, look, I see the fan cast now that, you know, the MCU
• 18:33
  has the soft reboot coming with Secret Wars and you know, Black
• 18:36
  Panther might be open, right? I would I would respect if he
• 18:40
  was just like, I don't want to touch that.
• 18:41
  I view that as Chadwick's thing. And Chadwick is, you know, my
• 18:43
  brother and I love him to death. And that's something that I feel
• 18:46
  like with us and the movie we did and our dynamic and the
• 18:50
  moment we had together because remember, Black Panther was one
• 18:54
  of the most iconic moments in comic book history.
• 18:56
  Like everyone paused the world. It was you heard all the stars
• 19:01
  every day for like a year. Like I have a respect if he was
• 19:04
  just straight up like, I don't want to touch that.
• 19:06
  That is sacred ground to me. And the same thing happens when
• 19:09
  maybe when they decide, like we want this to be the final thing.
• 19:12
  Like what if that cast comes together and goes, we want this
• 19:15
  to be the final thing for Sheree and these characters, but we
• 19:19
  want to leave the door open for Secret Wars.
• 19:21
  So then they could bring in a new Black Panther.
• 19:23
  Maybe that's why Marvel has been waiting.
• 19:26
  That could be it. At this point, like with the
• 19:29
  leaks and everything, it's like, I don't know what Marvel's been
• 19:32
  doing. I'm the biggest Marvel fan.
• 19:35
  Of course I do. I am the biggest Marvel fan.
• 19:39
  But Kevin, if you're listening, I could fix this.
• 19:43
  I could do so much better than whatever your team is doing
• 19:46
  because you guys what? OK, let's just get into the
• 19:49
  leaks. So Monday the world is just
• 19:54
  minding their own business. And then we are hit with The
• 19:59
  Avengers doomsday trailer. The first one has leaked.
• 20:02
  And you and I were we're not those people that were like, oh,
• 20:07
  I'm going to wait. Oh, no, that's disrespectful.
• 20:10
  We were so on it. Yeah.
• 20:12
  And The thing is, I was very like, I'm not going to
• 20:15
  verbalize. A lot of people got mad at me
• 20:16
  for this. I don't know why, but like I
• 20:18
  respect that there are people who follow me both to either
• 20:21
  engage with the things I say or because they just like that I
• 20:24
  post news. So I was keeping it obscure out
• 20:27
  of respect of like just so y'all know, the first Avengers
• 20:30
  doomsday trailer leaked. It's out there in the wild.
• 20:33
  I've seen it. I'm telling you it's real.
• 20:35
  I know it's real from all the research I've done.
• 20:37
  And then I got hate because everyone was like why are you
• 20:39
  obscure posting? Why don't?
• 20:40
  You just tell us they said thanks for the thanks for the
• 20:43
  non news. And it's like, yeah, dude.
• 20:45
  And I'm like, guys, we first of all it leaked.
• 20:48
  If I post it, I could get in trouble.
• 20:51
  Like I could have legal repercussions for that.
• 20:53
  Or your accounts would I have seen two different accounts that
• 20:58
  are come gone completely because they posted them Then on
• 21:02
  Facebook's a a big page. I follow their admin of the
• 21:06
  page. He's he can't even get back into
• 21:09
  the page itself because he did it.
• 21:11
  Someone else got 30 days. Like stop reposting, stop
• 21:16
  posting the leaks. It's Disney, they will mess you
• 21:19
  up. I got banned three days for
• 21:21
  accidentally posting something that was leaked.
• 21:24
  And I didn't know. It was like it wasn't from
• 21:25
  Disney. It was a different company.
• 21:26
  I'm gonna keep it upstairs. I will text you it.
• 21:28
  Don't worry. I'll text you right after.
• 21:30
  I'll remember. You're going to laugh at it
• 21:31
  because it's the stupidest thing in the world.
• 21:33
  But I got a three day ban for it.
• 21:35
  So when I saw The Avengers doomsday leaks, I was like, I'm
• 21:38
  gonna just let people know. I'm gonna do my job.
• 21:41
  I'm gonna put an image of the doomsday logo and just say, hey,
• 21:44
  it's out there. Because I also respect that some
• 21:46
  people are, you know, wasting 3 hours of their life by going to
• 21:49
  the theater to see Avatar Fire and Ash.
• 21:50
  And they're going to get surprised by that.
• 21:53
  So I didn't want to ruin that. But then it was like wildfire.
• 21:56
  You couldn't escape it. It was everywhere.
• 21:58
  No matter where you open, whether it was TikTok,
• 22:00
  Instagram, X Threads, you name it, it was there, right?
• 22:04
  And at first I'm like, OK, I get what they're going for.
• 22:09
  I get it. And then the next one leaked,
• 22:12
  and the next one, it had me like a crazy person because I was
• 22:15
  with my friends. I'm like, what is he saying?
• 22:18
  Chris Hemworth, your accent, It's so thick that I can't tell
• 22:22
  half of what you're saying, right?
• 22:24
  And then another thing leaked because after it was, you know,
• 22:28
  Steve Rogers returns, Thor returns.
• 22:30
  Then it's like the third one is rumored to be Doctor Doom.
• 22:33
  We don't know if that's confirmed yet, but that's like
• 22:35
  the main rumor right now. And I'm like, oh, so we're doing
• 22:39
  once a week. I'm doing all.
• 22:42
  These different trailers, we're trying to, I get what they're
• 22:45
  going for, OK? I've said this multiple times
• 22:47
  and people don't agree with me here.
• 22:49
  Whatever they're doing is working, right?
• 22:52
  From a fundamental standpoint, we have to agree it is working
• 22:55
  because we're talking about it. We're not the only people
• 22:57
  talking about it on social media.
• 22:59
  This is not the only podcast that's covering the news.
• 23:01
  I'm like, Oh my God, Marvel Leagues casual people are
• 23:04
  talking about it and complaining like, oh, Steve Rogers is back,
• 23:06
  whatever. Everyone is talking about it,
• 23:08
  which is the point, right? So they won in that end, but
• 23:12
  there's better ways to have done what they're doing.
• 23:15
  Look, I know you guys wanted to get attention to Avatar, but all
• 23:20
  yes, we're all talking about it and I wouldn't be talking about
• 23:23
  it either if this wasn't this case.
• 23:26
  But we're not saying nice things, guys.
• 23:28
  I know no bad publicity is still good publicity, but like, I
• 23:33
  don't think Disney gets it. This felt so cheap.
• 23:37
  This made me hate Avatar. I haven't seen the movie, but
• 23:40
  doing this like dangling, dangling a trailer that we're
• 23:45
  not going to see anything for the next year.
• 23:47
  That feels cheap. I don't like it and I'm not
• 23:49
  seeing Avatar because I saw the 1st 2:00 and they were boring.
• 23:52
  I don't care who knows it. Look, and here's the thing, OK,
• 23:57
  My thing is I understand the end goal.
• 23:59
  Besides getting people talking, it's going to the casual
• 24:02
  audience and going look, that thing you like Steve Rogers, the
• 24:06
  nostalgia, you guys showed us that you liked it with Spider
• 24:09
  Man and No Way Home, they crossed a billion dollars.
• 24:11
  Just showed us that you liked it with Deadpool, The Wolverine,
• 24:13
  that crossed a billion dollars. Guess what?
• 24:15
  The next major Avengers movie, it's also going to have the
• 24:18
  classic people you know and love.
• 24:20
  Let's get back on the MCU train. That's the end goal, right?
• 24:24
  Yeah. But my question is, out of all
• 24:27
  of this, why not just do another stream unannounced?
• 24:31
  Yeah, why not do the Doomsday Clock?
• 24:33
  The thing is like, I know people are like, no one's got time for
• 24:36
  that. No one did.
• 24:37
  No one wants to see that. I do.
• 24:38
  And also the people who you're still talking about it.
• 24:42
  You still know every person that was revealed during that 5 hour
• 24:46
  stream. You want to shit talk and say it
• 24:49
  was too long, it was too stupid, it was boring, but you still
• 24:52
  know everything about it. You kept up with five hours.
• 24:56
  So don't say it wasn't successful because it very much
• 24:59
  was. That's why that and the energy
• 25:01
  of that feels so, so different than the energy of this, which
• 25:06
  makes me think this was from the heads of DC.
• 25:09
  This is DC saying we need the help.
• 25:12
  Disney. Yeah, I'm tired, guys.
• 25:14
  I mean, Disney, the heads of Disney, them saying we need help
• 25:19
  with Avatar, which makes me think Avatar's going to blow.
• 25:23
  So I guess they can't, you know? You said that it was successful
• 25:28
  right now, would you the stream? Yeah, it was.
• 25:32
  Yeah, would you believe me if I told you I had actual statistics
• 25:34
  pulled up right next to me about the stream with the numbers?
• 25:37
  Before we got on this episode today, no, I wouldn't have.
• 25:41
  But after hearing about your 20 pages of doomsday, yeah, yeah, I
• 25:44
  do. Yeah, so here we go.
• 25:46
  Live stream had ominous sounds throughout the camera, with
• 25:48
  focus on each cast member's chair until 15 minutes went by.
• 25:51
  Every 15 minutes, a new cast member was announced.
• 25:54
  It pulled in more than 275,000,000 digital views and
• 26:01
  3.1 million social mentions. That number is five times the
• 26:06
  social volume of Deadpool and Wolverine.
• 26:09
  When its trailer premiered at the Super Bowl, which is like
• 26:11
  the biggest commercial time ever.
• 26:14
  Hour by hour, the audience grew throughout each platform it was
• 26:19
  on and it was everywhere. So Instagram, Twitter, you name
• 26:22
  it, YouTube, Twitch, they had audiences growing every single
• 26:26
  hour. The stunt yielded over 55
• 26:29
  distinct trending terms on Twitter slash X throughout the
• 26:33
  day, with hashtag Avengers Doomsday holding the number one
• 26:36
  trending spot on Twitter for over 7 hours.
• 26:41
  And after 24 hours, that video was #2 trending on YouTube.
• 26:47
  What was number one? I have no.
• 26:48
  Idea. What could that possibly be?
• 26:51
  I have no idea. Look, Oh, I bet you it's AI.
• 26:53
  Bet you it's a political thing. I bet you maybe.
• 26:56
  But see, it was successful, even if you didn't like it, it was
• 27:01
  successful. It was different.
• 27:02
  But like this promo, like, come on, Disney could have thought of
• 27:07
  something. You could have released the
• 27:09
  Spider Man trailer Make Beat It Theater exclusive.
• 27:12
  That that would have worked actually far more I think.
• 27:15
  It would because why does why does anyone care to go see a 10
• 27:18
  second trailer 4 times in a month?
• 27:22
  All different for all different for a movie in a year.
• 27:27
  These trailers, the movie might change.
• 27:29
  These trailers might mean nothing.
• 27:32
  We know they're doing reshoots early next year.
• 27:34
  Yeah. They wrap filming for this year,
• 27:36
  but they're going back to do reshoots again.
• 27:38
  Yeah, exactly. So it's like this was a stupid
• 27:41
  idea. And my thing is right, why not?
• 27:46
  I like the Doomsday clock. I think the Doomsday Clock is
• 27:49
  very fantastic in terms of it being ominous.
• 27:52
  It like, you know, generating a sense of concern from a viewer
• 27:55
  perspective like us as fans are thinking, what is Doom planning?
• 27:58
  Like, what could he possibly be doing?
• 28:00
  This seems threatening for a far more threatening.
• 28:03
  They're all probably willing to admit why not just one day go
• 28:07
  live. Every platform, a doomsday
• 28:08
  clock, we hear ominous sounds. We hear you're doom walking in
• 28:12
  the background. We hear, you know, tinkering
• 28:14
  sounds of different electric things, almost like as if it's
• 28:17
  Tony Stark building his Sue with a box of scraps, right?
• 28:21
  And then every 15 minutes, new cast member, you've revealed the
• 28:24
  rest of the cast. I don't think they should reveal
• 28:27
  the rest of the cast. I don't think they should
• 28:29
  because either what, like something else is going to get
• 28:32
  leaked. So keep whatever you can a
• 28:34
  secret. But the ominous thing I think
• 28:38
  would knock it out of the park. Like if you just randomly put
• 28:42
  this doomsday clock somewhere and countdown to just what like
• 28:45
  what you said, random noises in the background drop a hint
• 28:49
  somewhere. You hear a doom walking.
• 28:53
  You hear the metal clanking of him wearing the suit.
• 28:55
  Like if you just hear him sigh, that would be people's
• 28:59
  ringtones. That's all you need for doomsday
• 29:02
  is that small, small thing, not something huge.
• 29:04
  Like Chris Evans is back and he might be Captain America, but he
• 29:08
  definitely has a baby. Also, I cannot even explain to
• 29:12
  you how hard. I hope that's not his baby, and
• 29:14
  I hope it's Sharon Carter, because that would be weird.
• 29:17
  I think it is his baby. I have a whole theory about
• 29:19
  this. Me and my friends, we have been
• 29:21
  theorizing about this together. We have a whole thing.
• 29:23
  But my thing is, before we get to that, like with that stream,
• 29:28
  right, even if you don't announce the rest of the cast
• 29:30
  and we just see and hear, you know, every hour a sound effect
• 29:34
  on, you know, show that it's an hour.
• 29:36
  We hear ticking sounds for every minute, right?
• 29:39
  We hear Doom making sound effects and walking.
• 29:41
  And then let's say they did it on Christmas Eve when everyone's
• 29:45
  home for the holidays, right? You have the whole world at the
• 29:47
  palm of your hands at that point, everyone's home.
• 29:50
  What do they review at the end? A first look at Doom, that be
• 29:54
  the first thing we see him up close because he grabs the
• 29:57
  camera or it glitches and it shows us 90 seconds of just him,
• 30:01
  even if he's sitting in the chair and he says nothing to us.
• 30:04
  Honestly if you have him just like blacked out, like as a
• 30:08
  shadow of him sitting in his throne, oh dude, money.
• 30:13
  Exactly. That's more effective to get
• 30:15
  people back on the MCU train than going Steve Rogers will
• 30:19
  return, Chris Hemser will return, whoever else will return
• 30:23
  like. Like, we don't care, we're going
• 30:25
  to see the movie anyways. It's going to.
• 30:27
  Yeah, a lot of people. That's one thing I've been
• 30:29
  seeing recently. Today.
• 30:30
  I agree with the sentiment that people are being a tad dramatic
• 30:33
  because this movie is going to gross a billion dollars.
• 30:35
  Yeah, there's almost no way. That's it's hitting the Billy
• 30:38
  club. No, there's no wait.
• 30:39
  Won't. Like this is going to be a movie
• 30:41
  that people are going to see multiple times.
• 30:43
  The ticket sites are going to go down as we try to get tickets to
• 30:46
  see it opening night. Like this is going to be an
• 30:48
  event on a level in which it's probably going to overcome the
• 30:52
  hype for end Game I think. Oh, just wait till they give us
• 30:56
  a Doom popcorn bucket and it's just a mask.
• 30:59
  And it's just popcorn falling out of the eye sockets in the
• 31:01
  mouth. If it is that is I got like kind
• 31:07
  of flush there I want it. There you go.
• 31:10
  But like if they did thing promos that were just centered
• 31:14
  around Doom, like Imagine wasn't even about the movie, they just
• 31:19
  dropped a few laws of Latveria. Like something like just
• 31:25
  anything that is Doom related 'cause you they did not have the
• 31:29
  time to build up Doom because of Jonathan Majors.
• 31:33
  This wasn't the original plan, so why wouldn't you spend this
• 31:37
  year getting the audience familiar with Doom?
• 31:40
  Why wouldn't you do that for the casual watchers who not everyone
• 31:44
  reads the comics and you don't have to?
• 31:46
  You really don't but think how many people are like Doom.
• 31:50
  You mean the guy from the Fantastic Four movies in the
• 31:52
  early 2000s? He wasn't nothing.
• 31:55
  See, they should be centering around Doom.
• 31:57
  Marvel, we're right here. And, and The thing is, like with
• 32:01
  Marvel specifically, I think they failed to get people to
• 32:04
  read comics because I don't know if you noticed the marketing for
• 32:06
  DC, they market DC compact comics.
• 32:09
  So much as they should such. A huge win for them that has
• 32:14
  created more fans than any other sort of idea.
• 32:17
  And Marvel has tried to copy it. But it's 1499 versus 999, and
• 32:22
  people like the compact comic fit versus like the format of it
• 32:26
  being like this big, probably versus it being a regular trade
• 32:30
  paperback. And more importantly, DC isn't
• 32:33
  afraid. And this is one thing that has
• 32:34
  always frustrated me about Marvel.
• 32:37
  I hate that Marvel doesn't tell people at the end of the
• 32:39
  trailer, read these comics, even if it's not inspiring the movie
• 32:44
  directly. You know how powerful it would
• 32:46
  have been if they were just like, read this Fantastic Four
• 32:48
  comic? They did read this comic.
• 32:50
  They did they give them up for free.
• 32:53
  But then why did nobody talk about it?
• 32:55
  It did. It was like months and months
• 32:57
  before it was a picture of Herbie.
• 32:59
  And then there was the. What is it called the?
• 33:03
  QR code. Yeah, there was AQR code that
• 33:05
  took you to read these comics for free, but they did not
• 33:08
  promote that whatsoever. They just put it out and left it
• 33:11
  there. People didn't notice the No one
• 33:14
  noticed the QR code because it was hidden.
• 33:16
  No one knew it was free comics and even in the movie they at
• 33:19
  least gave a little bit to like, oh, this is for Jack Kirby, who,
• 33:24
  you know, created them. This is from Marvel Comics.
• 33:26
  It's like it's that easy. Y'all didn't just come from
• 33:29
  nowhere. You have the handbook, you have
• 33:32
  the cheat codes, you have it all right there in your books.
• 33:35
  Pay, pay love to them. I mean, it didn't just come out
• 33:39
  of nowhere. It's crazy to me because I do
• 33:41
  like that about DC, that they do go out of their way like James
• 33:46
  Gunn posting. Shop local at local comic
• 33:49
  stores. Buy this one.
• 33:50
  Buy that one. Here's a picture of Millie
• 33:52
  reading The Woman of Tomorrow. Like it's easy, simple things to
• 33:58
  do. It's.
• 33:59
  And even at the end of the trailer, this comic is inspiring
• 34:02
  this movie. Super girl, woman of tomorrow,
• 34:04
  here's a picture, go buy it. Like that is so effective.
• 34:08
  James Gunn tomorrow could post a picture of him reading any comic
• 34:12
  book. Even if it's nothing that we
• 34:13
  know about, it could be anything, right?
• 34:16
  That comic gonna skyrocket in sales immediately because
• 34:19
  everyone's going to think there's ADC project or a
• 34:22
  character or storyline from that comic is going to show up
• 34:25
  somewhere down the line. Look at Superman.
• 34:28
  Superman. It was hard to find a copy of
• 34:30
  All Star Superman. It was hard to find a copy of
• 34:32
  Superman Birthright Superman for all seasons.
• 34:36
  Like Superman comics were selling out everywhere because
• 34:40
  Superman was such a moment and they were pushing it of like go
• 34:43
  read Superman comics. Why doesn't Marvel do that?
• 34:47
  What kills me is that RDJ started to do that.
• 34:52
  He did it with Doom. He did it.
• 34:54
  Yeah, he did. Treasury, right?
• 34:57
  What was it at the comic Doom Treasury edition?
• 35:00
  I remember the. Comic it was Doom number one
• 35:01
  yeah I believe I've read so many doom comics lately bro I don't
• 35:07
  know, but I I. Just thought it was in a
• 35:09
  suitcase. I know that I remember the.
• 35:11
  Video. I know that he did it.
• 35:12
  He did it once or twice and he said Doom Workstation
• 35:17
  Essentials. So he is essentially telling you
• 35:20
  read this comic and that comic was damn near impossible for
• 35:25
  anyone to get in person. You could see, you could just
• 35:28
  feel everyone going on Marvel Unlimited and checking it out.
• 35:32
  Two days later, everyone is a Doom professional.
• 35:36
  Everyone knows everything and it's like it's you just have to
• 35:40
  do that. It's so easy, but for so long
• 35:42
  these franchises like Fox, they were not allowed to read the
• 35:48
  comics. They Psylocke, she was not
• 35:52
  allowed to read the comics about her character.
• 35:53
  She snuck them on to the set. And if you'll notice, she was
• 35:57
  the most comic accurate look of them all.
• 35:59
  And she had input on her costume because she read the comics.
• 36:03
  But they said before, we don't want them to read it because
• 36:06
  they we don't want them to already have the idea of the
• 36:08
  character in their head because we want them to make it their
• 36:10
  own. And it's like, I didn't come
• 36:12
  here to see Olivia Munn make Psylocke her own.
• 36:15
  I came. We can't.
• 36:16
  Yeah, exactly. And I'm pretty sure that I think
• 36:19
  Isabella Merced said this in an interview.
• 36:21
  I think DC Studios is giving all the actors access to DC
• 36:25
  Unlimited, not DC Unlimited, DC Universe Infinite.
• 36:28
  I think she was the one who mentioned it because she was
• 36:30
  talking about how like she was reading like comics with Hot
• 36:32
  Girl and Green Lantern and how she wants to see that dynamic on
• 36:36
  the big screen. So like the fact they do that is
• 36:39
  great, but like I feel like what a character like Doom as you
• 36:42
  mentioned, no one knows that he's the big bat like the
• 36:45
  casual. Audience.
• 36:46
  I mean, yeah, they just saw a hood of guy.
• 36:48
  Exactly. So you have to do the work of
• 36:51
  helping them understand whether it's putting a spotlight on old
• 36:55
  episodes in old cartoons focused on Doom, highlighting Doom
• 37:00
  comics, selling Doom figures. Like, you have to make it a
• 37:03
  moment so that the day he comes next year is not, Oh my God,
• 37:08
  who's Doom? Because remember Thanos, even
• 37:11
  though he wasn't perfectly built up, by the time we got to see
• 37:14
  him, people were like excited and they knew who he was.
• 37:18
  They knew him by name. We were saying his quotes.
• 37:21
  We still use his quotes. He was right, exactly right.
• 37:26
  So like with Doom, I just don't see this.
• 37:29
  And this is my own opinion. I don't see this being a one and
• 37:31
  done. I think a lot of people are
• 37:33
  viewing this as a one and done scenario where they bring up in,
• 37:36
  they get everybody back in, they wipe the slate clean, Secret
• 37:39
  Warriors reboots it and then we move forward.
• 37:41
  And I just don't think that's the case.
• 37:44
  No, I don't either. I think this is a variant of
• 37:46
  Doom, but I think we're going to get the real Doom much later.
• 37:51
  But this one, it's like, I'm sorry, Marvel, you guys know
• 37:55
  Doom is not one to do half assed.
• 37:58
  You cannot make it lackluster. Doom is the definition of power
• 38:03
  to the readers, to the audience, to the the characters he's with,
• 38:07
  he is powerful. You need to be building this up
• 38:10
  right now because if people go to which one is it Doomsday,
• 38:16
  people go to Doomsday and say it was mid.
• 38:19
  No movie with Doom should be mid.
• 38:21
  That's not you guys messed up somewhere along the way.
• 38:26
  And I think right now is the IT is like the perfect time just to
• 38:30
  reel it back and figure out what you're doing because Doom needs
• 38:33
  to be known about. You cannot go into this movie
• 38:35
  for people to say wasn't he Iron Man?
• 38:38
  Who's Iron Man playing He The people have to know he's Doom.
• 38:42
  I agree. And The thing is I feel like
• 38:46
  they're doing a decent job at like getting people in and
• 38:49
  getting people along for this right?
• 38:50
  Because no matter what, we're all talking about it.
• 38:52
  Even the most casual people are talking about this news and the
• 38:55
  league trailers and images and this that, whatever.
• 38:57
  But when it comes to the movie itself, the ramp up other
• 39:01
  marketing needs to be a lot more.
• 39:04
  I don't want to say clear because I am a fan of not
• 39:06
  knowing everything. I'll be honest with you, it's a
• 39:09
  rare moment for the MCU fan base to not know every plot point.
• 39:12
  Like we deal with Ant Man in the wash.
• 39:14
  I don't know if you know about that.
• 39:15
  Yeah, word for word, the whole script.
• 39:18
  Yeah, Spider Man, No Way Home was the worst kept secret of all
• 39:22
  time, right? Like everything about that
• 39:25
  leaked and we thought it was fake, but it was leaked.
• 39:28
  We knew the plot point by beat by beat before it came.
• 39:31
  Out and then they put both all three spider Man's in the
• 39:33
  trailer and they do that so they're able to go to the
• 39:37
  premiere they did that with X232.
• 39:40
  She was supposed to be a secret and they, Kevin Feige said,
• 39:43
  well, she wanted to go the premiere, so we put her in the
• 39:45
  trailer and it's like, oh, I didn't.
• 39:48
  No, she was CEO Marvel. That's so crazy.
• 39:51
  Wow. Who knew?
• 39:53
  It's just I, I, I am excited because I like that we don't
• 39:56
  know anything. And I like that they're making
• 39:59
  this very ominous. I'm a big fan of that.
• 40:02
  I like, that's why I really like the Doomsday Clock.
• 40:04
  And I think it would be more effective if they had used it.
• 40:07
  Of us just waking up one day and the Marvel goes live and it's
• 40:10
  just like, what's that ticking sound?
• 40:12
  And then it's slowly revealed to be a clock with The Avengers
• 40:15
  logo and everything. That would have been a really
• 40:17
  cool moment. But it's just with these
• 40:19
  trailers specifically, I understand they're not for us,
• 40:21
  the people who are hardcore enthusiasts.
• 40:23
  But the problem that they're going to struggle to communicate
• 40:27
  until we get a teaser trailer is why is Steve Rogers coming back?
• 40:33
  What, what, why are these characters coming back?
• 40:35
  What is the reasoning? Because to a lot of people, it's
• 40:39
  nostalgia Bay, right? Like a lot of people are going
• 40:41
  to run to, this is Gambit, Channing Tatum, Gambit finally
• 40:46
  happening. This is Tobey Maguire and all
• 40:48
  the Spider Man interacting finally happening, right?
• 40:51
  That's their mindset. And I get it because they're not
• 40:54
  saying anything. It's just a 22nd clip of him
• 40:57
  riding a bike and then it cutting to him holding a baby.
• 41:00
  And then Steve Rogers will return and you're not saying
• 41:02
  anything. So you're just showing them like
• 41:04
  we're going for the nostalgia again.
• 41:06
  And you have to communicate why Steve Rogers is coming back.
• 41:10
  And until we know the why, I feel like a lot of people are
• 41:14
  going to be against doomsday abet saying Marvel's creatively
• 41:17
  bank robbed. Marvel has, you know, run out of
• 41:20
  all ideas. Marvel isn't, you know, on their
• 41:22
  a game. What are they cooking?
• 41:24
  Who let them cook? I don't understand the story
• 41:27
  because they're not connecting. What I feel is a bit obvious
• 41:31
  with Doomsday, which is that it's a direct sequel to End
• 41:33
  Game, but it's the only way you can bring back Steve Rogers.
• 41:36
  That is, it's obvious, right? They're playing end game again
• 41:40
  in the theaters in September, which I'm going to see.
• 41:43
  I'm seeing that in theaters again.
• 41:44
  Everybody is that's going to sell out.
• 41:46
  You know why? Because everyone's going to
• 41:48
  assume Our first look at the story for Doomsday will be the
• 41:52
  post credit scene for that screening.
• 41:55
  Which I think so. I think it's it better be this
• 41:57
  Doomsday clock. If it's not, we don't put
• 42:01
  anything there. Leave it there.
• 42:03
  Or it's no, I think it's going to be the first reveal not of
• 42:05
  Doom, but like I think it'll be the first trailer that would be
• 42:08
  really cool full. Trailer.
• 42:10
  You mean can? You Yeah.
• 42:11
  Can you imagine going to the end game screening and that's when
• 42:13
  we get the full trailer and that's when we find out
• 42:15
  everything about the story. And that I'm in for, you know,
• 42:18
  and then just give it to me. That's the mid credit scene and
• 42:20
  then the post credit scene is the clock counting down to the
• 42:24
  days left. That's how you generate hype.
• 42:26
  That's how you actually get everybody excited.
• 42:28
  You're like, Oh my God, you don't milk it.
• 42:31
  And you don't, you know, do all these ominous things that don't
• 42:33
  really get people on board. You go straight to the fans who
• 42:36
  are buying the tickets because if anyone thinks the end game
• 42:39
  tickets are not going to be sold out in 24 hours or even 48
• 42:42
  hours, you're just wrong. Like that's going to sell out
• 42:46
  immediately one. 100% Well, it's not even even if you have no
• 42:50
  hype for doomsday, you cannot deny the electricity that was in
• 42:55
  the theater during end game when that first portal opened, when
• 43:00
  you heard on your left, when you saw Spider Man swinging yeah
• 43:03
  just. Got chills, you say?
• 43:04
  On your left. When you saw Spider Man swinging
• 43:08
  in from something, I don't know what his webs were connected to,
• 43:11
  but he swung in, it doesn't matter.
• 43:13
  We don't we. Don't ask that we don't have.
• 43:15
  To matter, yeah, but there was a building.
• 43:18
  In another dimension, it was just really far off and we
• 43:20
  couldn't see it. Well, that was the first time I
• 43:21
  was ever in a theater that people started screaming and
• 43:24
  cheering. And I was so pregnant at the
• 43:26
  time. I could not get out of my chair.
• 43:29
  My husband had to like pull me up, 'cause like, I was so
• 43:32
  pregnant. And I was just like standing up
• 43:35
  screaming. I'm like, I just sat down.
• 43:38
  I was like, that's all I can do. But it was like it really, those
• 43:42
  are the moments you feel lucky to be in the fandom cause all of
• 43:45
  us are here vibing. All of us are just hyped up,
• 43:49
  happy, just wonderfully happy. It's, it's kind of like the
• 43:53
  opposite of thing, but kind of the same About when Chad
• 43:56
  Chadwick Boseman died and you went to see Black Panther two in
• 43:59
  the theater. I I was.
• 44:03
  Like he got I I swore my friends I'm like he had to have gotten
• 44:06
  had this is not true. And then all the articles and
• 44:08
  all the people start posting and my day, not even my day, my
• 44:11
  months was ruined. I was just like, devastated.
• 44:16
  Because there was so much speculation for so long that he
• 44:20
  was on drugs. He hated the Black Panther
• 44:22
  thing. He there was so much stuff said
• 44:25
  about him and he was the most unproblematic person, which goes
• 44:28
  to show shut the fuck up. Exactly, Yeah.
• 44:33
  And turns out he was dying, and he did end game.
• 44:37
  And he didn't tell anybody. It was all It was one of those
• 44:40
  things that when the moment happened, it was revealed.
• 44:42
  Even people at Marvel found out at that moment 'cause they
• 44:45
  weren't aware of what was going on.
• 44:46
  Some did know, like the other actors with him, they knew
• 44:51
  'cause you can see videos of them kind of like him falling
• 44:55
  asleep during the promo tour and they're like, hey, you OK, Doing
• 44:59
  OK? You need anything like they
• 45:00
  knew, but I think some people didn't know to the extent I
• 45:06
  think he was like, I'm getting treatment, I'm OK.
• 45:08
  But he did have to be medically cleared to do the stunts and do
• 45:13
  all of that and end game. So they had to have known
• 45:15
  something. But like, when he died, RIP.
• 45:20
  And we went into Black Panther 2 and you know, the Marvel promo
• 45:25
  comes and it is dead silent. There is no music, there is no
• 45:29
  nothing. And the entire theater is silent
• 45:32
  too. It's one of those times where
• 45:33
  you're like, I do feel lucky that I don't have to go through
• 45:36
  this alone because we didn't know him.
• 45:38
  We didn't know anything about him, but we loved.
• 45:40
  No, but the moment he gave us as a community and as a fan base
• 45:44
  was just so pivotal. That type of moment cannot be
• 45:48
  replicated against today. I stand by that opinion.
• 45:51
  I really don't think so, unless it's X-Men or something of that
• 45:56
  nature. But even that I don't think will
• 45:58
  match the like obsession. Because remember, Black Panther
• 46:03
  came out and people are cosplaying.
• 46:04
  People were doing the Wakanda Forever sign.
• 46:06
  People were screaming, especially after end game Yi
• 46:09
  Bombay, everyone was screaming that.
• 46:11
  Like it was one of those things where people really connected
• 46:14
  with the Wakandan culture, just like they connected to that Tao
• 46:17
  Khan after Wakanda Forever. That was a whole thing.
• 46:20
  I remember all the memes of being like you're watching Black
• 46:23
  Panther with your friends, but you're Hispanic so you got to do
• 46:25
  the thing. So I remember that like, it's
• 46:28
  just, I don't know if that type of thing will happen again,
• 46:32
  which is why I'm so happy that we got that moment.
• 46:37
  I think they could replicate it with Doom, but I don't think
• 46:40
  they could replicate it with Robert Downey Junior's Doom.
• 46:42
  I don't think that it'll ever achieve what it should have if
• 46:45
  it was someone else. But here's here's where I stand
• 46:49
  with RDJ. Doctor Doom, I am not against
• 46:53
  it. I know a lot of people are
• 46:54
  strongly against it and I get the number one reason.
• 46:56
  I understand that people want a Romania actor.
• 47:00
  I believe that's the correct culture.
• 47:01
  Romani. Romani, Romani to be playing
• 47:05
  Doctor Doom completely get it. But I think what they're going
• 47:08
  for here is something that they have to do RDJ for this, because
• 47:13
  the only way this works, and this comes back to a theory a
• 47:16
  lot of my friends and I have, we did a whole document together
• 47:20
  trying to figure this out and shout out to them, right?
• 47:23
  We ultimately kind of agreed that what's going to happen is
• 47:27
  the baby is going to be the reason why Doctor Doom comes
• 47:30
  into play. I hope not, because we literally
• 47:34
  just did that. Like we just did that.
• 47:38
  I hope it's not that. I hope it's, I hope it's a
• 47:42
  variant situation and the look of RDJ as the look of Tony Stark
• 47:48
  as Doom. I hope it shakes all of The
• 47:50
  Avengers to the core. I hope we get a Mr. Stark from
• 47:55
  Tom Holland. I hope Pepper's like Tony.
• 47:59
  I hope all of that. I hope they I want to hear
• 48:02
  unanimously every single heartbreak at the same time.
• 48:05
  I. Do too.
• 48:07
  But I think, I think the whole story begins with and you know,
• 48:10
  time travel in MCU, it's a very, you know, picky thing because
• 48:14
  every director has said different things about how time
• 48:16
  travel works. And you know, we got one
• 48:18
  explanation here, 1 explanation there.
• 48:19
  Whatever, right? My theory along with my friends,
• 48:22
  shout out to them again. We all came to an agreement
• 48:25
  after way too much. Who are these friends?
• 48:27
  Because like the names of mine. I should.
• 48:32
  One of them is always on threads.
• 48:33
  Right now the name is the Ray of Water.
• 48:35
  Her name's Leia. Shout out to her, yeah.
• 48:38
  Another friend, she was on Threads, her name was Angels
• 48:40
  Films, but her name is Ty. Shout out to her, right?
• 48:43
  We've been bickering a lot about time travel and who's how does
• 48:47
  it work this side whatever. And the unanimous thing that we
• 48:49
  could all foundationally agree upon, which is not a lot to be
• 48:53
  honest with you, is we think with the way time travel works,
• 48:57
  Steve Rogers having a kid made himself a variant.
• 49:01
  Are you good? Sorry I hiccuped and it like it
• 49:04
  like came from my chest it hurts so bad I'm just making.
• 49:07
  Sure, I'm just making. Sure, when I drink too much
• 49:10
  water I hiccup and I was like trying to like pace myself, but
• 49:12
  I get really thirsty when I'm recording.
• 49:14
  It's OK. No, don't worry.
• 49:15
  I'm just making sure. But but our theory right is
• 49:19
  Steve Rogers has the baby with Peggy that creates and turns
• 49:23
  himself into a variant, which ruins the timeline because he's
• 49:27
  not supposed to be a variant. He's supposed to just go back to
• 49:29
  the past and live his life until when he becomes an old man
• 49:32
  because you know how in end game he's an old man.
• 49:35
  So we think old man Rogers and Steve Rogers, who becomes a
• 49:38
  variant, has the baby are two different people and that leads
• 49:42
  to Doctor Doom. I don't know how we haven't
• 49:43
  figured this part out. Doctor Doom figuring out that
• 49:45
  someone's out of time because you know how everyone is saying
• 49:48
  like, oh, it's going to be based on Avengers, time runs out.
• 49:51
  We think the people that are out of time are all children.
• 49:56
  We think it's that would explain because now this is where
• 49:59
  foundationally it kind of supports it here.
• 50:01
  We think Steve Rogers kid is going to be one of them.
• 50:05
  We think America Chavez is going to be one of them because
• 50:07
  remember, she's a one of one. She has the power to punch
• 50:09
  through the timelines whenever she wants.
• 50:11
  She has no variance. He's going to want her to be
• 50:13
  able to travel to all the different Earths, right?
• 50:16
  That's why he would go to Franklin at the end of of
• 50:19
  Fantastic Four. That's why there's a big
• 50:21
  emphasis with the Doomsday teaser trailer for Steve Rogers
• 50:24
  with his baby and the Thor one with him praying to come back to
• 50:28
  his daughter. Love God.
• 50:30
  Why they have to bring that little bastard in?
• 50:33
  But like, we think the people he's trying to collect and use
• 50:37
  to do whatever it is he wants to do are the children.
• 50:39
  Those are the people who are out of time.
• 50:41
  And another example is another, I don't know if This Is Us being
• 50:45
  too technical with the theory, but we think Billy Chaplin,
• 50:49
  Billy Maximoff, the Wiccan, we think he's technically a.
• 50:52
  Child Billy Caplin. Caplin, we think he's a child of
• 50:56
  a time because he was a ghost that went into another person's
• 50:59
  body right when they died. Yeah.
• 51:02
  So he's not supposed to technically be on.
• 51:05
  He's not. He's not supposed to be alive.
• 51:07
  Wanda made him with chaos magic, which she was not supposed to
• 51:10
  have. And that's going to probably
• 51:12
  come into play. So we think this is going to
• 51:14
  have to do of a direct sequel. The consequences of all these
• 51:17
  different children and all these different children serve a
• 51:19
  different purpose, which is why he's going from Earth to Earth
• 51:22
  and probably going to do the thing where he destroys the
• 51:24
  timeline, makes it collapse on itself, create battle worlds,
• 51:27
  etcetera. That's our leading theory of
• 51:30
  just too much victory. It could learn, it could lean to
• 51:33
  a Young Avengers slash champion situation with any of the kids
• 51:37
  that are leftover. But my question is, how do we
• 51:39
  know this is the same Steve? He had a he had a shield.
• 51:46
  That's the thing we're talking about a time.
• 51:48
  No, it wasn't a shield. It was.
• 51:49
  His suit wasn't. It Yeah, it was his shield.
• 51:53
  Put a shield down. No, he put the suit down on the
• 51:56
  motorcycle. The.
• 51:56
  Fuck is he doing with a suit on the motorcycle?
• 51:59
  Probably still being Captain America for all we know.
• 52:03
  That's pretty. You know, I don't.
• 52:05
  I haven't even seen it fully. I've just seen what the Internet
• 52:08
  showed me. I don't even know why I'm
• 52:09
  arguing. I.
• 52:10
  I think he wears, he probably wears it whatever as a
• 52:13
  protective thing for him and Peggy or whatever.
• 52:15
  But that's our theory. He has the baby that turns him
• 52:17
  into a variant when he's not supposed to be a variant.
• 52:20
  But you know, he doesn't know about the variant stuff because
• 52:22
  it wasn't explained into now I'm dying after with Loki because
• 52:28
  remember, miss minutes comes in and then she's like, this is the
• 52:31
  timeline. It's a sacred timeline.
• 52:32
  The time keepers held it together and then we created the
• 52:35
  TVA so they could prune any timeline that branched off.
• 52:39
  And then Loki comes in, he changes it because remember,
• 52:42
  that's the whole point of Loki city at Loki sitting at the end
• 52:44
  of time. So he could be the one to watch
• 52:46
  over all the timelines because he was like, no, let's not stop
• 52:49
  pruning things. Let's just make sure they could
• 52:52
  coexist, but we're probably going to find out that pruning
• 52:55
  things is probably necessary for the sake of timeline to exist
• 52:57
  normally, and that's going to be the thing that probably creates
• 53:00
  Doctor Doom. The question I still have is
• 53:03
  where does the variance, the RDJ factor, the Tony Stark factor
• 53:07
  come into play? So I don't think you cast Robert
• 53:10
  Downey Junior as Doctor Doom unless you're showing the face
• 53:13
  on some level. His face will be shown.
• 53:16
  There's no way it. But that's the thing, it's like
• 53:19
  you guys going to just pick someone else.
• 53:22
  He didn't have to do this. His face has to be shown for the
• 53:25
  emotional gut punch. But they could have picked
• 53:28
  someone for Doom. I always thought Jamie from Game
• 53:34
  of Thrones would have made a phenomenal Doom.
• 53:36
  I've never watched Game of Thrones.
• 53:38
  OK, OK, so listeners, y'all know what I mean?
• 53:42
  Like that dude Jamie Lannister's wild Hold on.
• 53:45
  I'm looking up. I see the vision.
• 53:48
  But when you see how menacing he can be, perfect.
• 53:51
  Like it's you know who also would have made a hell of a
• 53:54
  doom? The guy who played the young
• 53:57
  Magneto, Yeah. I agree.
• 54:02
  Yeah, I'm saying like it's right there.
• 54:05
  That would have been. Like maybe I want to hear your
• 54:09
  take on this. I feel like they felt like they
• 54:10
  had to cast RDJ. I know they think.
• 54:13
  And not and not because they wanted to, but I feel like when
• 54:17
  all of the Jonathan Majors fiasco was happening, Ant man,
• 54:20
  the and the watch, you know, flopping at the box office,
• 54:23
  people still getting the whole Kang thing wrong because a lot
• 54:27
  of people keep saying. And if it really infuriates me,
• 54:30
  I should probably make a post about this.
• 54:32
  King did not die to regular ants.
• 54:35
  They were superpower ants because they were in the quantum
• 54:37
  realm. The movie said that, I don't
• 54:40
  know why. They weren't even remember that.
• 54:41
  They weren't even the thing that took him down.
• 54:44
  No but they played a role so everyone just generalized it of
• 54:47
  like Kang lost to Ant of course he sucks he don't want.
• 54:50
  Me to be saying that. Right, but it's super powered,
• 54:53
  Ant can we at least get the Super powered adjective in
• 54:57
  there? This was the Quart of Rome.
• 54:59
  They're like the size of the Labrador.
• 55:01
  Exactly. Like clearly not normal ants.
• 55:04
  But everyone just says he died to Ant.
• 55:05
  But I bring this up to say that Kang dying to super powered, not
• 55:10
  regular powered ants ruined everybody's interest in him
• 55:14
  because they're like, you lost to Ant man Ant Man's like the
• 55:17
  weakest Avenger dude. Here's the thing.
• 55:19
  OK, if they wanted him to be an Ant man, right?
• 55:22
  You know how you make it interesting?
• 55:24
  You make Ant Man lose. That would have been
• 55:27
  devastating, yes, You make him lose.
• 55:31
  You make it seem like he's trapped in the quantum realm or
• 55:33
  he's on some other timeline. Make us concerned for him.
• 55:36
  Have him separate from the Wasp so she could stay in the quantum
• 55:39
  realm when she could get recast. That's the point, right?
• 55:42
  And there's like, oh, he took down one of The Avengers.
• 55:46
  That's terrifying. That's how you that's an
• 55:47
  introduction. Because we're all going to
• 55:49
  expect the happy ending because that's how every superhero movie
• 55:52
  is. It's, you know, we have fun
• 55:54
  times. Remember why we're there.
• 55:56
  That's Infinity War that. Was a different story.
• 55:59
  But look, Doomsday could end the same way as Infinity War.
• 56:03
  We're getting started. I want that so bad.
• 56:06
  I want to be devastated. I know my hearts are hurt.
• 56:08
  Like I wanted to be like, Oh my God.
• 56:12
  Like I want to have to need a safe space.
• 56:15
  I want like to feel emotionally fragile after it because I feel
• 56:19
  like we haven't gotten that in a long time and I need it.
• 56:23
  But for the beginning of it, what I think would be perfect is
• 56:28
  we still have that big ol arena of Kangs that Marvel wants us to
• 56:32
  forget about. Put Doom right in the middle and
• 56:38
  it doesn't. You don't have to see anything
• 56:39
  crazy happen. You just go in like slow zoom
• 56:42
  in, you see a bunch of dead kings everywhere and then you
• 56:45
  zoom in till you see a dark figure breaking the neck of the
• 56:49
  last zoom. Doom.
• 56:51
  No, the last Kang yeah Frick man.
• 56:55
  The Last King falling to the floor and you just see that it's
• 57:00
  a green outfit that. Would be a great introduction.
• 57:04
  I know. Or him going back to the end
• 57:07
  game battle and killing off Thanos.
• 57:10
  Like Can you imagine, like him killing off Thanos before the
• 57:12
  end game battle happened And then we're like, wait, what's
• 57:15
  gonna happen now 'cause we wouldn't know.
• 57:17
  And that's uncharted territory. That's true.
• 57:19
  That's a shocking introduction. That's true.
• 57:21
  Well, for for Doom, the perfect person to flex how powerful Doom
• 57:28
  is would be king comic accuracy there.
• 57:30
  They're so intertwined with each other.
• 57:32
  Kang was like the big bad, the one we're all like oh shit until
• 57:36
  you know, the Super normal ants took them out.
• 57:40
  They. Were normal.
• 57:44
  They were in the quantum realm, guys, come on.
• 57:49
  But yeah, King would be the one because like Victor Timely, we
• 57:53
  everyone loved him in Season 2 of Loki that the like you had
• 57:59
  the playbook is right there. If you're not going to keep
• 58:00
  going with King, use King to introduce Doom.
• 58:05
  It's so simple. It's so easy.
• 58:08
  The fandom will understand if it's not Jonathan Majors.
• 58:11
  We all are OK with that. That is true.
• 58:13
  Yeah. So we I just don't want them to
• 58:16
  fumble Doom. That's it.
• 58:17
  That's all I ask. I don't ask much.
• 58:19
  Well, what does fumbling doom look like to you?
• 58:22
  That's my question. Making him not that big of a
• 58:25
  deal, making him a one off, giving us absolutely no, I don't
• 58:30
  want to say power, but like, you know, in the comics, when Doom's
• 58:34
  about to show up and they're like the earth kind of gets a
• 58:36
  little shaky. Like the tension's in the air.
• 58:39
  There's just a menacing feeling something's going to happen.
• 58:42
  It's kind of like when you. Hear the Wonder Woman theme song
• 58:45
  in the middle of The Flash and Shazam Fear the Gods.
• 58:47
  That's when you knew things were going South.
• 58:50
  When I turned on Shazam. Fear the gods.
• 58:54
  That's when I knew things were going so.
• 58:56
  And it it did not. Skittles and all it did not.
• 59:00
  I was not surprised. Oh you didn't want to eat
• 59:02
  Skittles after Shazam? Fear the gods.
• 59:04
  I sat there and I was pissed. I was like, I because we, I
• 59:09
  don't watch movies during the week because I'm busy every day.
• 59:12
  And then usually the days we watch movies are like Sundays.
• 59:16
  And I was like, that was the movie I picked for the fucking
• 59:18
  week. I would have been that, yeah.
• 59:21
  I would have been pissed at myself too.
• 59:23
  I hated that movie and I like Shazam.
• 59:25
  I've reached Shazam comics. That's a statement I don't think
• 59:27
  a lot of people say in their lives.
• 59:29
  Like I actively reached Shazam comics, OK?
• 59:32
  I like Shazam too. Like I really want an absolute
• 59:36
  Shazam. Like, I think that'd be cool,
• 59:38
  but. But I think Shazam's, you know,
• 59:41
  for different reasons, which I'm not going to get into here
• 59:45
  because we're not going to dress the elephant in the room or the
• 59:47
  purple crayon. But there's reasons why we'll
• 59:50
  probably we'll see Suzanne for a while, unless they do Kingdom
• 59:53
  Come as a movie. But real quick to go back to
• 59:56
  Doom, because we went off on that tangent, that's what
• 59:59
  happens. When you that's this whole
• 1:00:00
  episode, just tangents and I love it.
• 1:00:02
  Look, it's OK. This is the type of
• 1:00:04
  conversations I have regularly with people.
• 1:00:05
  I'm like, I'm about that. Like you want to go from A to B?
• 1:00:08
  I'm good. Like let's do it.
• 1:00:10
  But to go back to it, what would make you walk out of the theater
• 1:00:15
  happy? That with Doomsday.
• 1:00:19
  Just don't make it like Deadpool Wolverine.
• 1:00:24
  I loved Deadpool Wolverine, but it was very much, it was just
• 1:00:30
  things that were was fan service, which I do love fan
• 1:00:33
  service, but I think it only worked well for that movie.
• 1:00:36
  For this, I need depth. I need actual race stakes.
• 1:00:41
  I don't need you to throw in Captain America telling the
• 1:00:47
  other Captain America. Yeah, but we don't know if he's
• 1:00:51
  coming back as like we don't know if he's actively Captain
• 1:00:53
  America right now and then going into end game if he'll join Sam
• 1:00:58
  Wilson as Captain America or he's just Steve.
• 1:01:00
  So I don't need to see like, oh, the on your left.
• 1:01:04
  I I don't need all that. Don't try to pull up my
• 1:01:06
  heartstrings with that, the friendships, all that I want to
• 1:01:09
  see devastation. And if you kill off Spider Man
• 1:01:11
  again, I'll be pissed. I don't think they're going to
• 1:01:16
  do that. I I don't think so either,
• 1:01:17
  because he's so heavily involved with Secret Wars and we're
• 1:01:21
  getting the black suit. Yeah, like, yeah.
• 1:01:25
  So I don't think they'll go for that, but I think they're going
• 1:01:27
  to. I think they're going to do away
• 1:01:30
  with the characters that have been here a little too long.
• 1:01:34
  I think we're not like Thor. I think Thor's done.
• 1:01:37
  I think Thor's going to lose his arm.
• 1:01:38
  I don't think he's going to be killed off.
• 1:01:42
  Kill him off and then bring Beta Ray Bill in and no one will
• 1:01:46
  complain a bit. Well, what is Chris Hemsworth
• 1:01:50
  that's not right to say goodbye to him.
• 1:01:51
  Maybe he wants. His I'm ready to say goodbye to
• 1:01:53
  him. I'm ready.
• 1:01:54
  I don't care. I'm good.
• 1:01:56
  I'm done. After the last two Thor movies,
• 1:01:59
  I'm good. Like because those Thor.
• 1:02:02
  Oh yeah, 100%. I hate what Takai would would
• 1:02:06
  his name is I. Agree.
• 1:02:08
  I hate what he did. I hated it.
• 1:02:11
  I both movies, Ragnarok and Thor, love and Thunder, absolute
• 1:02:14
  baloney. And it just seemed to me I was
• 1:02:17
  like, all right, so Chris Hemsworth isn't taking the the
• 1:02:21
  acting, he's not taking the role very seriously.
• 1:02:24
  Why should I take him seriously? That's fair.
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, I agree. I prefer old Thor because he
• 1:02:30
  felt like a God. I don't really feel like he
• 1:02:33
  feels like out of the water anymore, which might, you know,
• 1:02:36
  be intentional because he works with The Avengers every now and
• 1:02:38
  then. But like the comedic stuff, I
• 1:02:41
  don't think we're going to see a lot of that in this movie.
• 1:02:43
  I really think, especially with the teaser trailer that has
• 1:02:46
  leaked, there's going to be not Infinity War type of Thor.
• 1:02:50
  I think it's going to be Sirius, Thor.
• 1:02:52
  We're going to see a part of him where I think we haven't seen
• 1:02:56
  him act like that before and it's going to throw a lot of us
• 1:03:00
  off. I think the emphasis on.
• 1:03:02
  Is the emphasis on, Yeah, I think that's going to be what we
• 1:03:06
  get out of him. And it's going to be like more
• 1:03:08
  dark, more serious. And I feel like now that he has
• 1:03:11
  love, there's going to be like actual stakes for him and him
• 1:03:16
  wanting to survive or him wanting to do certain things or
• 1:03:19
  him not willing to take certain risks and stuff like that.
• 1:03:22
  Well, also it's going to be an emotional, thorough ride for him
• 1:03:24
  because he's going to see Loki again.
• 1:03:28
  Unless they don't make, Unless they like, they don't let them
• 1:03:32
  see each other. That's the kind of little bit of
• 1:03:35
  gaslighting I'm OK with. Like make me angry.
• 1:03:39
  Perfect. But here, like, I don't know if
• 1:03:44
  Mar, I want Marvel to, you know, let us lose a couple of
• 1:03:46
  Avengers. I think it's time.
• 1:03:48
  Like, I do think we have to say goodbye to some people.
• 1:03:50
  There are soaring characters who have not gotten the limelight.
• 1:03:52
  Like, let's be honest, Shang Chi hasn't gotten the limelight.
• 1:03:55
  Like I understand with Hawkeye, if he was to, you know, have to
• 1:04:00
  be sacrificed, we wouldn't bat an eye because we have Kate
• 1:04:02
  Bishop, right? I don't think you get rid of
• 1:04:05
  Elena. I think Elena is going to become
• 1:04:07
  like the center character. I think so too.
• 1:04:10
  I think just the ones from phase one is who I'm looking at.
• 1:04:13
  The ones that are like, obviously they're too old to
• 1:04:15
  play the role Bruce Banner. Chris Hemsworth.
• 1:04:18
  Samuelson, Bucky. Yeah, Bucky, I think his time is
• 1:04:25
  coming to an end. Sam Wilson, he's got a whole
• 1:04:28
  life ahead of him. I think he's good.
• 1:04:32
  Chris Evans, kill him off. Chris Hemsworth, kill off the
• 1:04:36
  Chris's. Take all the Chris's out.
• 1:04:39
  Everybody hates Chris. Take him out.
• 1:04:41
  Yeah, that's what I want. I think Bucky's going to be
• 1:04:45
  actually important for once. That's been a big issue I've
• 1:04:48
  had. I think like Bucky hasn't really
• 1:04:50
  been that important since Winter Soldier and they haven't really
• 1:04:52
  known what they want to do with him.
• 1:04:55
  And I feel like a big sign of that was, you know, how he
• 1:04:57
  became senator. And then like the next time we
• 1:05:00
  saw him, he's like, we're not, I'm not doing this everything
• 1:05:01
  anymore. Like you could tell they had
• 1:05:03
  different arcs planned for him and they just don't know what to
• 1:05:05
  do with him. But I really feel like what
• 1:05:07
  we're not putting into account with all these discussions is
• 1:05:10
  that we have two Avengers teams and only one of them is the
• 1:05:13
  common man between the two, Bucky.
• 1:05:18
  Bucky. Which I think this is going to
• 1:05:20
  be a really fun story element because it's going to frustrate
• 1:05:23
  us as fans because we're going to be like, guys, get over it.
• 1:05:25
  Like, come on, there's, there's bigger stakes than the name of
• 1:05:28
  The Avengers team. Like there's just band together
• 1:05:30
  and let's worry about taking this man down.
• 1:05:32
  You're going to let the name get in the way.
• 1:05:34
  I really feel like Bucky's gonna have to get the teams on the
• 1:05:37
  same page or to work together or something to that extent when
• 1:05:41
  that's going to be a huge part at least of the beginning of
• 1:05:44
  Doomsday. Because we can't expect them to
• 1:05:46
  all work together when we have the New Avengers and then we
• 1:05:49
  have Captain America's Avengers. Like they have to become just
• 1:05:52
  The Avengers. It's going to be Steve saying
• 1:05:54
  come on, guys, we're all Avengers.
• 1:05:57
  And that's when I'm be like, oh, fuck off.
• 1:06:00
  Like I'm sorry, I don't usually cuss this much about it, but
• 1:06:04
  like, that's going to annoy me because Steve is such a Boy
• 1:06:08
  Scout and that has always annoyed me in the comics and
• 1:06:10
  everything. So I'm just like, I don't care.
• 1:06:13
  I don't care. I like Sam Wilson as Captain
• 1:06:15
  America. He feels more Captain America to
• 1:06:17
  me. You know why?
• 1:06:20
  Because Sam Wilson feels like the everyday man.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah, Sam Wilson feels like the type of person if you bumped him
• 1:06:25
  into him on the street, he would have a 5-10 minute conversation
• 1:06:28
  with you and it would be the best conversation you'll
• 1:06:30
  remember for the rest of your life.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah, and Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers was to give you the
• 1:06:34
  white person smile the. Yeah, man, thanks for you want a
• 1:06:37
  photo? All right, let's get a.
• 1:06:39
  Photo like that's it. But Sam Wilson goes through
• 1:06:41
  things and fights for things that a lot of us are dealing
• 1:06:44
  with every single day. Exactly.
• 1:06:46
  And Steve Rogers is just, yeah, Steve Rogers.
• 1:06:51
  Just like we got to do what's right for the country.
• 1:06:56
  We're all American. Like, shut up.
• 1:07:00
  Just. It's fine.
• 1:07:02
  Like you're right. I agree with you.
• 1:07:04
  It's just like the same realization that I had recently.
• 1:07:07
  I'm like, I want them to do interesting things with Bruce
• 1:07:09
  Banner. I'm tired of Bruce Banner being
• 1:07:11
  smart Hulk. I am tired of Bruce Banner being
• 1:07:15
  this character who he's kind of relevant.
• 1:07:18
  He's kind of not. He's kind of the comedic effect.
• 1:07:21
  He's kind of not. He'll have one or two hype
• 1:07:23
  moments where the Hulk is smashing people.
• 1:07:25
  Like I'm tired of Bruce Banner not getting his time to shine
• 1:07:30
  and his time to be a complex character.
• 1:07:33
  And I know it's never going to happen in a solo movie because
• 1:07:35
  the Universal has to force Marvel to agree with them to let
• 1:07:39
  them distribute the film, and that's probably never going to
• 1:07:42
  happen. So it's like we lost on that
• 1:07:45
  end. And it's just like, I really
• 1:07:47
  wish Syrian characters like Bucky, like Hulk could get their
• 1:07:50
  time to shine. So then we could be like, all
• 1:07:52
  right, they're done. We can move forward, we could
• 1:07:55
  push past them. We don't need to keep revisiting
• 1:07:58
  these arcs over and over and over again and feel like we're
• 1:08:01
  kind of just treading the same ground.
• 1:08:03
  Like I'm looking forward to when Captain America has more than
• 1:08:08
  just the storylines we've seen in Brave New World and the
• 1:08:10
  storylines we've seen in The Falcon and Winter Soldier.
• 1:08:13
  I'm ready for him to do things where he gets to approach
• 1:08:17
  government matters or world stake matters that, you know,
• 1:08:21
  require a leader to get the group together and go, how do
• 1:08:24
  you guys feel? What do we do?
• 1:08:25
  We have to worry. And then they go back and forth
• 1:08:27
  like he would be able to, you know, defend the common man and
• 1:08:30
  go, I don't want to hurt this area of the state.
• 1:08:34
  I don't want to put these people in the middle of destruction.
• 1:08:36
  Like, I want to see that type of leadership from him.
• 1:08:40
  And they feel like Avengers Doomsday is going to set that up
• 1:08:43
  for him, where we're going to see him be himself, of course,
• 1:08:47
  because Sam Wilson is a very likable guy.
• 1:08:48
  Of course we're going to see him being a little petty.
• 1:08:51
  Because we need to the American. Way like we're going to see him
• 1:08:55
  be petty and go, you guys aren't The Avengers.
• 1:08:59
  I don't know who you are. I got the shield.
• 1:09:01
  Like I'm ready to see that type of dynamic of but of him talking
• 1:09:04
  to Bucky being like, why are you with them?
• 1:09:07
  You should be bringing them to me because we're Bros.
• 1:09:09
  Like we're buddies. Like we're best friends.
• 1:09:11
  You remember, like you liked my sister.
• 1:09:13
  I saw that when the Bo at the end of Falcon with his.
• 1:09:16
  Soldier, I talked it. Yeah, like, I want to see that.
• 1:09:19
  And I want to see him eventually be a leader because Doomsday is
• 1:09:24
  probably going to have him forcing to face a lot of loss.
• 1:09:27
  And we might see him grieve and see him take that chip on his
• 1:09:32
  shoulder and, you know, carry it into Secret Wars.
• 1:09:35
  And I'm ready to see a lot of characters have sort of that
• 1:09:38
  same mentality. Like, I want to see him the more
• 1:09:41
  I want to see what that's like. Like what did we do with him?
• 1:09:44
  I'm so excited for that toxic little bastard to come in.
• 1:09:47
  I'm so happy. Like, I'm ready to see him
• 1:09:52
  because I'm going to pronounce his name.
• 1:09:54
  I think wrong, but I think it's Tena Cueta, right?
• 1:09:57
  I'm ready to see him because when he was in Wakanda Forever,
• 1:09:59
  he dominated every scene he was in.
• 1:10:02
  Every single one. He was 1.
• 1:10:03
  He wasn't in. Yeah, he was one of the best
• 1:10:05
  villains we've ever seen in Marvel history, which is not a
• 1:10:08
  lot of great villains because we've had, you know, Loki, we've
• 1:10:11
  had Zanos, we've had Killmonger, of course.
• 1:10:13
  But like, he's up there. We just haven't had the time to
• 1:10:16
  see him. And I'm interested to finally
• 1:10:18
  see him get carried in. And, you know, sure he call him
• 1:10:21
  because I think they're kind of like friends now or they kind of
• 1:10:24
  have a. There's a mutual respect.
• 1:10:26
  Yeah, like I'm, I'm, I'm excited to see him be brought into the
• 1:10:30
  fray and see what that dynamic ends up looking like because now
• 1:10:34
  he has to be introduced to all these other people.
• 1:10:36
  See, I don't see Cherie calling him and saying we need your
• 1:10:40
  help. I see him saying absolutely not.
• 1:10:43
  No, I could see them going to Atlantis and be like, Neymour,
• 1:10:47
  we need your help. And he's like, no, no, no, you
• 1:10:48
  guys screwed this up. That's all you.
• 1:10:51
  We're good down here. Because that would be so comic
• 1:10:55
  accurate of him. Like that's what I want.
• 1:10:58
  I want so comic accurate. I want the toxicity.
• 1:11:01
  I want how rude he is. I don't want him to be a team
• 1:11:04
  player. I want him to be the problem,
• 1:11:07
  just the problem child of the Marvel Universe.
• 1:11:10
  It's like, oh, it can't depend on him.
• 1:11:12
  That's what I want, and I'll take nothing less.
• 1:11:16
  I want that too, but I'm interested to see what they do
• 1:11:18
  with him in the movie. Because.
• 1:11:20
  Like you don't announce him as one of the main cast members
• 1:11:23
  because remember, they announced like the main cast members here.
• 1:11:25
  And that's like the core cast probably of the film.
• 1:11:28
  You don't announce him and it's just that element.
• 1:11:30
  Like he has to have some action moments, right?
• 1:11:33
  Yeah. The Talo Khan have to come in to
• 1:11:35
  be terrifying or doom goes to Avengers.
• 1:11:37
  Or Doom goes to him for help. Or Doom tries to take over
• 1:11:42
  Atlantis. I'm not ready to lose that.
• 1:11:46
  Because I there's just no way that they're going to show us
• 1:11:52
  Sue Storm and Neymour. I don't think, I don't think
• 1:11:55
  they're going to do that in this movie unless it's a short, tiny
• 1:11:58
  bit. Because I feel like everyone's
• 1:11:59
  kind of like, oh, they're both in the movie.
• 1:12:03
  And if history taught us anything, my dear listeners,
• 1:12:06
  it's that they have a scandalous relationship.
• 1:12:09
  So I don't want to see it all. I mean, I'd be right to see it
• 1:12:13
  because I didn't necessarily love the Fantastic Four, but
• 1:12:15
  that's just me. That was surprising to see.
• 1:12:18
  I've been very vocal, oh, not very vocal, but I've been fairly
• 1:12:22
  vocal on this movie. High, like everything but them.
• 1:12:25
  But that's just a whole conversation for a different day
• 1:12:27
  for me. Well, we're obviously going to
• 1:12:29
  have to have you back on because we've been talking for so long
• 1:12:33
  and I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface.
• 1:12:35
  Yeah, that's true. I'm always open to it.
• 1:12:36
  I this is fun to me. This has been a great time.
• 1:12:38
  I've been enjoying this. I'm not going to lie to you.
• 1:12:40
  Great. Well, we are at the end because
• 1:12:44
  we've been talking well over an hour and we're obviously going
• 1:12:49
  to have you back so. I'd be more than happy to.
• 1:12:52
  So before we go, where can our listeners find you?
• 1:12:55
  You can find me for all my breaking news, all my movie
• 1:12:59
  takes. You can find me at threads.com/i
• 1:13:02
  don't be games my letterbox. I don't be games my YouTube
• 1:13:05
  channel. I don't be games Twitch channel
• 1:13:07
  is going to throw you a curveball.
• 1:13:08
  I don't be games. You can find me basically
• 1:13:10
  everywhere. You know I don't be games.
• 1:13:12
  I will, trust me. Me.
• 1:13:14
  Megan will tell you if you are in my mentions, I am going to
• 1:13:17
  interact with you. I'm.
• 1:13:19
  Going to make sure. I will have a conversation with
• 1:13:22
  you. We will have dialogue.
• 1:13:23
  I'm very approachable. Just don't come into my mentions
• 1:13:26
  and being like she hoe sucks because then I'm going to have
• 1:13:29
  to dunk on you and I don't want to do that.
• 1:13:30
  I'm very entertaining. I'm very, I want to say
• 1:13:33
  welcoming on threads, but if you're going to come in and
• 1:13:36
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• 1:13:38
  to have a conversation. He matches energies very, very
• 1:13:40
  well. Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  So thank you so much for coming on.
• 1:13:45
  Listeners, if you want to find out where you can find Justin,
• 1:13:48
  just look in the show notes under the episode and all of his
• 1:13:51
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• 1:13:53
  Thank you so much for having me. It's been such an absolutely fun
• 1:13:57
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• 1:13:59
  the day I am there. Absolutely.
• 1:14:02
  We're obviously going to because we have to.
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