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Hamster Omnibus! Battlefield (featuring Mark Rawlins) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  The. Hamster with a blunt pen knife
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  for doing. Quicker, quicker.
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  Quicker Welcome back to Hamster with a Blunt Penknife, The
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  Doctor Who Commentary Podcast. Hello Hello.
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  Hello. Mr. Mark Rawlings.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Where the. Fuck, have you been in my
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  schedules for the last 10 years? We're busy.
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  What? Was the last thing you did on
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  this. The last thing that was released
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  wasn't the chase, was it I? Think it was Auton #2.
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  Oh, Auton 2, of course. Yes to Auton #3, yes, the
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  excitement of that. However, this will be the
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  apotheosis of our podcasting experience.
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  And why is that? Because we are watching what I
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  think is the best Sylvester McCoy story, it's certainly the
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  most fun. The men in white jackets are
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  coming later. I've already booked them in.
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  Yeah, it's Battlefield. Battlefield.
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  Can I confess something about Battlefield?
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  Before we even start? Of course.
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  Well, when I recorded this, sorry, when I did a review for
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  my fabulous website Doko Ho reviews.
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  Have you heard of this? Oh, you doko ho.
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  I didn't know. I am Banksy too.
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  We didn't know everybody, did we?
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  It's a general, but lots of people come up with me, you
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  know, and say now recently they use.
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  Your blog was a Seminole point in their life, yes?
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  Yeah. Of course, Seminole.
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  It's one of the fucking dictionary.
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  Yeah. What was my .0?
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  Yeah, I reviewed this. I only gave it 3 out of 10, and
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  I've slagged it off for years and years.
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  And wait, no error. Because I want you to understand
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  it's not. It's not just you as well, it's
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  also David Maskell and other people that have spent the last
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  year and a half quoting this fucking thing.
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  Well, my opinion's done. A complete 180 and now I think
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  this is rather delightful. It's a bit like dimensions in
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  time. Every line is quotable.
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  It's perfect for that, I think. Yeah, but not always.
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  Because it's good, yeah. It.
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  Doesn't mean you didn't. When did you first watch this?
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  When it came out on video, yeah. Yeah.
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  So I think it was the the special edition.
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  Special edition with the extra scene of walking down the the
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  curly whirly staircase with the neon lights.
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  And I think there was a couple of extra scenes in that
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  helicopter as well. Oh yeah, of course.
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  Absolutely needed. Approach and Docklands now, Sir.
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  Those things. Yeah.
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  You know, only when I'm drunk. Do you know what?
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  I I we'll do some quoting throughout this, you know, it's
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  that sort of thing is. Do some of it.
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  We'll try and keep it. We'll try and keep a balance.
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  Everyone do. You think this is your favorite
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  Sylvester McCoy? Story.
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  Well, it's in that lot. The first one that I ever saw.
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  Yeah, first McCoy story I ever saw.
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  So I didn't really have anything else to compare it to.
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  Very much of an argument, you know.
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  But I like that go. To Fenrick and all this.
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  It's yeah, I know what it yeah, it's obviously a completely
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  different tone, but there's just something about it.
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  There's just a fun action adventure, great characters in
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  this. And I know people say like, you
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  know, Time and Ronnie is silly or it's known as Endeavor and
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  the Bannerman and stuff it. Is silly, but this is silly.
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  Yeah, yeah, I know. But this is, I don't know.
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  This one seems to get more stick than those stories for being,
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  for it's sort of silliness and over the topness.
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  And I I don't think it does. I think.
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  This is supposed to have a a serious point about anti war and
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  anti bombs and you know the the the psychological horror
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  inherent in fighting these. There's supposed to be a bit in
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  episode 4 that Esther McCoy talks about where he says that
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  he's the Doctor is, you know, for once he's succumbing to the
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  violence and he's going to decapitate somebody.
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  And I don't really see that happening at all.
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  It's just a jolly romp with you, yeah.
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  Exactly that. That's what I want from it.
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  I would just also like to point out, you know that Mister Mark
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  Rawlings other favorite stories are The Android Invasion, The
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  Chase, Oh and my Robber. That's quite good actually, that
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  one. What's your favorite for Doctor?
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  Planet of the Daleks. I rest my case.
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  Well, look, before we press play, I've.
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  I believe you and I just both have to bow down at the altar of
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  Saint Angela Bruce. Oh, she's brilliant in this.
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  If this story brought Angela Bruce to the world of Doctor
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  Who, there we go. What more could you want?
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  Can. I ask you that question about
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  Sophie Aldrid in. Start Sophie Aldrid.
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  Everyone, press play, Yeah. Awesome things to have.
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  No, no. You know how I said to you, you
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  know what work has she done outside of Doctor Who?
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  Yes. Well, Angela Bruce has done a
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  ton of work outside of Doctor Who.
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  She's in that fabulous Batman of Robin episode of.
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  Yeah, she's. She was the female Lister in
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  red. Dwarf, yeah.
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  She turned up in bad girls. I think she's in an episode of
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  Bad Girls, actually, Yeah, we haven't got.
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  That fight? OK, can I say as well, we met
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  her at the Utopia convention, right?
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  And she's batshit crazy in the most fabulous way.
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  She is brilliant. She's brilliant with the crowd.
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  She's when she does her talks, she's very entertaining.
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  I've met, I've seen her a couple of Times Now at conventions and
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  she, I think she's genuinely having a great time and that
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  just comes across to everybody that she talks to.
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  I remember she. Came out to our table and told
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  us. I hope you have a good time.
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  Yeah, yeah, she's absolutely wonderful.
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  You remember when she came out into that garden tending to be
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  drunk and she was like, she was going to be run, oh, fuck off
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  the lot. Yeah.
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  Anyway, she went up, she went up to this woman, right?
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  And she goes, oh, I remember you from the other convention.
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  How's it going? And.
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  The woman's like going. Well, I've had an operation and
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  all of this. And she went.
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  Oh my God, love. I didn't ask you a fucking life
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  story. It was so great.
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  She is, Absolutely. And so I first watched this
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  story when it was a repeat in the 90s, like I think maybe a
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  lot of people did. And yeah, you.
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  Must have been How old then? About 5.
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  Well, I was, I was trying to work out because I was playing
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  this in Infant School when it was on.
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  So what age was that? I don't know.
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  We were just running around, you know, being Angela, Bruce
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  probably. And there was a friend called
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  Joe who was my friend in Infant School and he, I remember he was
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  watching this as well and we were both talking about it at
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  school, but that was Infant School.
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  So I was very, very young but captured our imaginations.
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  Can I say that Episode 2 of Battlefield, as I've mentioned
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  many times on this thing, is my first ever live episode of
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  Doctor Who and I was so traumatised by what I thought
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  was the death of Ace in the drown tank?
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  That my mother didn't let me watch any more.
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  Oh, no. So, but did you find out what
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  happened? Well, no now.
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  Yeah, I've seen about 50. Times since.
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  But when this was on in the 90s they did, I think it was a
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  Friday night, they did it one a week.
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  So you did experience these, you know, with the cliffhangers and
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  everything, which you don't do as as a 90s, you usually, you
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  know, as a 90s fan you get the video and you watch all in one
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  go. But those repeats were actually
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  one a week and that feeling of what's going to happen next and
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  you know that's that's the closest I've got to watching,
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  you know classic who I was talking to in in the right way
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  I. Don't mean to name drop, but I
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  was talking to Gary Russell the other day, right?
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  He gave me a kiss, by the way, you know, at the BFI.
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  No, honestly, I'm very handsome. Anyway, he was saying about how
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  when you're a child, no. See if you agree with this or
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  not. When you're a child, like, the
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  week between episodes feels like forever.
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  Oh no, you would never have experienced that, would you?
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  Well. No, that's what I'm saying.
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  I did at this in the 90s, yeah. Well, this one on in the 90s, on
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  the 99, yeah. But it was repeated in 1992 or.
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  Three what? A single episodes once a week?
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  Yeah. Oh, OK.
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  Literally just told you that story about watching it one a
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  week. Stop looking distracting.
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  Oh my God. So I did experience that, yes.
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  Yeah. But I wish I could have
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  experienced that more with stories, because yeah, you like
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  what's going to happen? All the destroyers appeared.
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  What is, you know? Imagine seeing that.
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  What? Yeah, if I could now do, I would
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  have pissed my pants in my bed. Looking at the Destroyer.
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  Some great moments. It's.
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  It's. Do you know what?
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  I know it does have its. It does have its faults as well.
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  Of course it does. And do you mind if I talk about
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  that 'cause when we were talking about the chase, and I'll talk
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  about the faults? No, you got very angry.
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  We'll talk about the faults as well as they come up.
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  But if everybody's listened to the DVD commentary of this or on
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  or on the Blu-ray, the official commentary, I want to, I would
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  like that this is a bit more positive because it's got Sophie
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  Aldrid and Angela Bruce who are loving it and they, of course,
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  they love their time and doctor it and their memories.
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  Well, it is, yeah. And and then they've got Andrew
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  Cartmel and Ben Arovovich Arovich.
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  Say you know who I mean? Arovich Arovich And they're just
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  ripping it apart and saying, oh, this didn't work, this.
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  But I suppose that as they're looking at it as the writers and
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  OK, yeah, you look at it as a script and maybe there are some
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  plot holes or some points that could be sort of ironed out and
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  they're very critical and they just bring it really down.
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  I can't listen to that commentary are.
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  You not surprised because you read that script Doctor and you
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  think that Andrew can't now for everything he script edited was
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  absolute gold Shakespeare, you know.
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  I mean, I don't as again, but then going back as a child,
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  you're watching it. You don't worry about these
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  things that what you don't. You're not sitting there as a 7
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  year old thinking, What's Ben Aravaric's problem with this
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  script? What you?
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  Know, I mean, I mean I'm going to, I'm going to be bold and say
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  that Aronovic's other script, Rosa Daleks is a better script.
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  It's a better story and it's better directed.
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  There is some pretty limp duration in this, However,
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  you're right. The.
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  The. Quotable dialogue quotient in
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  This is Out of This World. And I think everybody in the
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  cast is having a great time. That always comes across well, I
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  think. Shall we start?
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  Well, we're two minutes in, but there's just one more thing I
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  want to talk about before we go in.
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  All right. Well, it's been a while since
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  I've spoken to you, you know, and that is you.
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  And I recently experienced the sheer joy of the Bambera Big
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  Finish box set. And not a moment too soon.
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  Finally, Brigadier Bambera has her own range on Big Finish and.
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  Could I just say it is genuinely fantastic?
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  It's like. Brilliant.
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  It's I. Went in 90s, I always do and I
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  came out. Just got when is the next set
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  coming out? I know what was it part bugs.
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  It's very much what Doctor Who I think would have been on if it
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  was on in the 90s. So it's very much like the the
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  TV series Bugs that was on at the time.
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  And a bit of what else, what else was 90s?
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  I was going to say Crime Traveller.
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  Well, it's all it's that, sort of.
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  Sci-fi the 90s tomorrow people sort of thing a little bit.
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  All those sort of. 90s In this you've got the soldier, you've
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  got the. Side effects, filesy, X, filesy
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  stuff in there as well. It's a bit purwish, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Because it is.
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  You did? I think maybe they thought, who
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  could have done that in in the 90s?
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  And you know, Battlefield, OK, this was the beginning of the
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  last of the classic series. I think it famously got like the
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  lowest viewing figures ever, Part one.
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  As a light came along in yeah, all these time.
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  But the series at this time only, it could just carry on for
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  a few more years. In the 90s we would have had
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  battlefields all the time. Well, Barbera would have been
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  back and Barbera coming back, yeah.
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  May I just say, and we are going to start this now because we're
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  being very indulgent, Well, I was just singing these praises,
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  but the last story on that Bambera set, honest to God, I
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  was in London, right? Canary Wharf, Space City I was
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  in and I didn't give a Tiss A tiss.
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  I didn't give a tiss where I was.
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  I was so sucked into this story. It was.
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  It was amazing and it ended on a great clip.
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  So guys, go check out the Bambera set.
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  I've done my marketing for Big Finish now from Valentine.
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  You owe me a fiver, OK? Right, let's start and we must
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  say we are watching the original TV version of this which.
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  Is a shame because there's loads missing.
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  Because actually, I always usually go to the special
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  editions whenever I watch on a do but.
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  You don't want to listen to us talk.
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  You heard the five doctors when we talk a long time on that one.
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  Here we go, right? Are we ready everyone?
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  Yeah, I'm ripped. Battlefield I'm riveted
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  Battlefield Part 1/3 not ripped 1 Go.
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  Can I just say in full track and theme we do in fact have
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  beverages. Oh well, yeah, I thought we'd
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  have some of Arthur's Ale. So.
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  Well, actually I've got Marks and Spencer's Lager, but
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  Arthur's not brewing it at the moment.
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  Fucker and Coke Pat. Good choice.
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  Anything but the beer. Oh, OK.
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  So, oh, so I ask you, does does the rest of McCoy theme tune
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  tickle your testicles a bit? Well, I do enjoy it, but as a
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  kid, OK, so you you're watching all these repeats in the 90s, so
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  you're going through the 60s and 70s and stuff.
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  And then this version of the this was cool at the time.
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  This was the coolest thing ever. Cool.
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  Now it's cool now. And the bit, my favorite bit is
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  the purply what's it called the purple swirly thing.
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  And when it goes over under your eyeline, when it goes in the
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  island, you're like, wow, that's really cool.
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  That was amazing as a child. Alistair.
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  Alistair. How about this one?
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  But also, OK, so I said I do, So it'll be positive, but also we
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  will be critical. What, Starting season 26 in a
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  fucking garden centre? We have two old fogies.
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  Exactly What are we? Just what are they thinking?
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  Switch the channel when it's Rosemary in time.
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  But do you know what? I don't know?
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  The whole idea of seeing the Brigadier domestically, It's so
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  nice. I love it.
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  And don't you love Doris? She's brilliant, yes.
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  Can I do the quote? Oh, the later, later.
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  Oh. OK, oh, this is like this
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  exposition, he goes well, giving up teaching, no give.
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  Leaving United Intelligence Task Force.
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  But we haven't. Seen the Brigadier Since Mordron
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  Undead. And we're still it's that 80s
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  thing of just relying on continuity.
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  Who cares? You don't need to explain any of
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  that stuff. And.
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  Do you know, I think that looks like a special effect, that
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  water. It's weird, isn't it?
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  Oh my God, here she is. So we have Angela Bruce heading
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  up as the new Brigadier, and we have Robert Jezek as second in
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  command or #2. Can I say it?
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  Go on. Robert Jezek plays Frobisher.
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  How did you say it? Frobisher in Big Finish.
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  And he's fabulous. Is this his native accent?
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  I don't think it is, is it? I think he's American.
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  I think he's American, yeah. Here she is, the woman of the
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  hour. Oh, shame herself, it's like.
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  90s with the car phones. This is supposed to be 2000 and
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  20s, isn't it? Oh, I know.
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  I think it's 90s, late 90s. 20s is.
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  It yeah, because there was a meme the other day where someone
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  said I don't care if it's the king and it's set after this
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  year and we've got a king. Oh yeah, Do you think that prop
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  came from Game of Thrones? Well, what do you think about
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  this set with the sword and a lot of the green lighting?
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  It's. Quite nice, it was.
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  Until I did have a thought the other day.
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  I've always loved it and it does look a bit like a game show set,
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  the way it's lit, but that's all just with the colours.
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  A sense of scale, I think. But it's alien.
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  It's supposed to be underwater. This does not have a sense of
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  scale though, so they've destroyed the TARDIS sets and
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  all they've got is the console and a a sort of a flat wall
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  curtain. But wouldn't it have been
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  amazing if a lot more 80 stories were lit like this in the
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  TARDIS? It's so much more atmospheric.
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  And it's some sort of type close-ups.
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  It's. Yeah, I mean, I know that's out
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  of necessity, but and I think those round things, someone's
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  cut them out a little bit too big.
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  As you see, it's a curtain. Yeah, the curtain.
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  And they've someone stitched them on a bit.
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  Pillows a little bit, yeah. But I think it it's a great and
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  it's very rare to have a McCoy TARDIS scene as well.
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  How many does Ace have The last time she was in?
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  Great show in the. Galaxy Dragon Fire Greatest show
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  in this and. This, yeah.
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  Carmel didn't really like the TARDIS, did he?
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  He liked it get into the places, but he didn't want to.
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  But imagine. Imagine a story.
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  Sorry his new adventures. Well, they never had the TARDIS.
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  They're always firmly entrenched in.
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  We're just. Going to see, imagine a story
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  that's lit like this, that's the corridors of the TARDIS and it's
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  all darker, like this new adventure style, yeah.
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  Amazing. OK, so the doctor is Merlin.
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  So when I watch this, it's only been last few years, like 2025
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  years later, I've sort of really understood that what they're
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  from another dimension, they're not aliens.
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  It really confused me, the whole Merlin because you think they're
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  going to be you just explain it. I thought they were sort from
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  history, but there it is. But they but they're from
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  another dimension. Well.
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  He's mixing the two, isn't he? A run of it?
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  He's mixing the mythology and the science fiction.
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  But in I'm talking about in the world of this story, the the
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  Knights and stuff, they've got 10.
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  They're from like a medieval technology, you know.
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  Yeah, I didn't understand it as a child.
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  I just was like, I couldn't get my head around these Knights
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  having technology and I didn't, I couldn't understand.
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  You understand now, but I understand now you.
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  Know what if my head just wiped? Yeah, it's like in the middle of
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  a wall that doesn't even belong to this dimension, You and your
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  freaky friends. OK, Peter Warmsley here.
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  Now that you know what, the actor has a bit of trouble with
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  his lines sometimes, don't he? There's one bit where the
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  director forgets to cut away and he's clearly forgotten his
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  lines. I like all of this though this
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  shots with the camera going through the windscreen.
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  Because I think a couple of years ago, I know you had that
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  in the van in remembrance of the dialects, didn't you?
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  But this is still, yeah, for the camera work.
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  For the tie, well, you don't have.
• 18:57
  Nothing like this in Colin Baker's.
• 18:58
  Time. Well, no, exactly.
• 18:59
  You can get Colin sick Doctor and Perry in a Jeep going round.
• 19:02
  Late 80s, early 90s, I think there was a mass of innovation
• 19:07
  in making television. It just suddenly got a lot more
• 19:10
  stylish. I mean, well, it's all his TV.
• 19:12
  Always a look. Well, it's all on video.
• 19:14
  Yeah. Outside, I think it's easier
• 19:16
  equipment. Now here's Brigadier Bambera
• 19:19
  looking pissed because they've driven the missile.
• 19:23
  What's happened? Into the lake.
• 19:25
  What I think they have, have they.
• 19:27
  Oh, oh, she said. Why not drive it into?
• 19:29
  They got a nuclear warhead. I don't know, that's not really
• 19:32
  explained, is it? Oh no.
• 19:34
  There's a long speech about it in episode 4.
• 19:36
  Winifred. Your call, voice.
• 19:41
  Stranded at the Lake of the Dead King.
• 19:44
  That's a brilliant location. There's so much location on this
• 19:49
  story. I love all the in season 26,
• 19:51
  especially all the location work is brilliant.
• 19:53
  Yeah, and I think it's. And it just really.
• 19:55
  Makes it more of a story, more of.
• 19:57
  A Got some. Energy to it as well, doesn't
• 19:59
  it? Although Kef Mccullough's music
• 20:01
  gives anything energy, I always feel like I'm in a big gay
• 20:03
  disco, you know, when I'm listening to him.
• 20:05
  I'm up and down a bit with me sometimes.
• 20:06
  It's so like in here because I I think because I've heard this
• 20:08
  music so much, because I've watched this story so much, I'm
• 20:12
  I'm used to it. But some other stories I can get
• 20:14
  a bit. Can I say, because I am
• 20:19
  occasionally critical of Sophie Upgrade and Sylvester McCoy,
• 20:23
  that I think their chemistry at this point is just amazingly
• 20:28
  good and they have a sequence in a minute where he goes, who's
• 20:32
  Elizabeth Shaw? I don't even look like her,
• 20:35
  think like a feather. Like, I think they've got their
• 20:42
  characters like 100% of this one, haven't they?
• 20:46
  I might just can I just do my updates.
• 20:48
  So I think it was in the shakedown episode that we did.
• 20:51
  I still haven't heard if anybody else remembers Sylvester McCoy
• 20:56
  taking part in a some sort of youth family theatre thing.
• 21:00
  I said Braintree in the last in the last time I mentioned this,
• 21:05
  but actually it was Brentwood Leisure Centre.
• 21:07
  So if anybody has any information about Sylvester
• 21:10
  McCoy turning up a Brentwood Leisure Centre in this Youth
• 21:15
  Theatre production 9596, please let me know.
• 21:20
  I did not dream it. I was there.
• 21:21
  I saw him. He was the Doctor on the big
• 21:23
  screen. Honestly, he's he's there
• 21:26
  staring at his Twitter every day, waiting for someone to drop
• 21:28
  in. I can't find out however so.
• 21:31
  Brentwood. Brentwood, that's where the.
• 21:33
  Leisure tower blocks are from Day of the Dialects, or so I
• 21:36
  learned the other day. Oh, what are these nights with
• 21:39
  ray guns? That's pretty cool idea, isn't
• 21:41
  it? Yeah, this is the way they sort
• 21:42
  of rise up out of the mud. It's great.
• 21:45
  And the the actual costume, the look of it, the way that they've
• 21:47
  merged those two are a great a great look.
• 21:50
  The. Guns are a bit of shit, like
• 21:51
  with those sparks. Aren't they?
• 21:53
  Well, that'll fight secrets. Sparks in the McCoy era,
• 21:56
  Remember when the sidemen fire? There's like, Bill, Bill, Bill.
• 22:02
  What's occurring here? Well, you'd think that unit
• 22:04
  would have a a hotline that if the doctor turns up, Oh.
• 22:08
  I forgot she was in Press Gang. She had a big role in Prescan.
• 22:11
  Angela. Bruce.
• 22:14
  Yeti Autons, Daleks, sidemen and Solarians.
• 22:17
  I'll say it. Can I say it?
• 22:18
  OK. I'm like, oh, the varied ones of
• 22:20
  the universe. So something so family can't
• 22:22
  shut. Doesn't believe you.
• 22:23
  Mine. Well, McCoy sounds like such a
• 22:26
  pervert. I'll tell you love this because
• 22:29
  I think this is the good kind of continuity where she's going,
• 22:33
  you know what do you know? And it's like, yeah, we knew
• 22:36
  somebody called the Doctor. She's so serious.
• 22:42
  OK, this little bit of acting might not be the the best when
• 22:44
  she's like she sort of gazes off into.
• 22:47
  The. Off onto the screen I'm like.
• 22:50
  Did you not see where she gazed off screen when Batman was Robin
• 22:52
  came? Towards her, his.
• 22:54
  Physical appearance, sort of look.
• 22:58
  But how do you say a line? Like how do you convincingly say
• 23:02
  something like that? I mean, she does incredibly well
• 23:04
  it. Was so convincing his whole
• 23:07
  appearance. It's it's a tough scene to act,
• 23:11
  to be fair. A lot of this is tough.
• 23:13
  To act. Oh, here we.
• 23:14
  Go. Why does everybody always talk
• 23:15
  about? And?
• 23:16
  You're about to say this, aren't you?
• 23:17
  Why does the previous house have massive house and garden?
• 23:19
  No. It's not his house.
• 23:20
  It's her house. Why is this whole debate?
• 23:23
  Who cares whose house is? This is what's happened, right?
• 23:25
  He was living in that horrible little heart, being a maths
• 23:28
  teacher and then and then he went to a family party.
• 23:31
  From downtime. I think he went to a family
• 23:33
  party, right? And Doris was there, and he
• 23:35
  remembered her from Brighton. When she, you know, he fucked
• 23:37
  her. And she gave her she no, she
• 23:39
  gave him a lovely watch. Remember Planet of the Daleks,
• 23:42
  right? That was Doris wasn't.
• 23:44
  It. Yeah, I think so.
• 23:45
  And then he goes, you know what, I'm going to get into bed with
• 23:47
  her now, and I'm going to live in this marvellous house.
• 23:50
  And here he is. He's done here.
• 23:51
  Doing the gardening. Doing the gardening.
• 23:54
  She does look a bit like I'm going to say Patsy Kensit.
• 23:57
  No, Patsy. Kendall.
• 23:59
  Kendall. Patsy from No.
• 24:01
  He's in the kid life, Patsy. Felicity.
• 24:05
  Ken. Patsy.
• 24:06
  Kenzie. She looks like Felicity.
• 24:09
  Ken, you're like Patsy right now.
• 24:12
  Oh, don't that target look fab in the sun?
• 24:14
  It's right. It's very light, isn't it?
• 24:16
  Yeah, it's sort of. Well, I think it was repainted
• 24:18
  after it went pink, right? No, of course.
• 24:23
  So why is Bambara? Oh, she's been nice to him now.
• 24:26
  Because she's he's trouble. He's touchy, yeah.
• 24:30
  Keep your eye on him. Oh my God, you know, are we
• 24:33
  going to call Crow? The older hotel I think they
• 24:36
  are, aren't they? Yeah.
• 24:37
  Can I just say as well, the Behind the Sofa feature on the
• 24:40
  Blu-ray starring Annika Wills, Janet Fielding and Sarah Sutton
• 24:45
  is fabulous. Janet Fielding goes, well,
• 24:49
  you're not going to have any trouble going to the Gora Crow,
• 24:51
  are you? I don't know why she's American
• 24:53
  all of a sudden. OK, so this bit with the
• 24:55
  Knights. Oh no it's not.
• 24:58
  Music. This is OK.
• 25:02
  Yeah. Oh, here she is.
• 25:03
  Here we are. Star of spats.
• 25:06
  Yes, Shell Young did you? Ever watch spats?
• 25:10
  Well, I did, yeah. I remembered watching it as a
• 25:13
  child. I mean, I would have been
• 25:14
  watching that on CITV at the same time.
• 25:17
  This was repeated in the 90s, you know.
• 25:19
  Brilliant in it, honestly. It started off with a man
• 25:21
  dancing on a burger. I've loved fast food ever since.
• 25:27
  Spats, for anyone who's wondering, is a children's TV
• 25:29
  show. I think it was on ITV.
• 25:31
  CITV Yeah. Starring the opening of this
• 25:33
  American diner in England and the actress who played Shao
• 25:37
  Yung, What's her name? Ling Tai.
• 25:39
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, she thinks. David Maskell tried to get into
• 25:42
  a cameo, but she cancelled it. She didn't want to talk to.
• 25:47
  You she did not want to talk. Here we are ordering our, our,
• 25:49
  our, our, our. Sales.
• 25:51
  Cheers. Anything but the beer.
• 25:53
  It's be 5 lbs, please. Do you mind?
• 25:56
  That's a very valuable piece of kind of egg.
• 26:00
  Oh my God, you know what's coming up, don't you?
• 26:02
  Boom. Oh look, the info text is
• 26:07
  spelling out exactly how much £5 was worth.
• 26:09
  It's £12 in today's money, yeah. I think 5 lbs.
• 26:13
  All right. Now it is.
• 26:14
  Actually, can I just say this set, this pub set, it's a set,
• 26:17
  isn't it? It was, it looks.
• 26:19
  So. Good.
• 26:20
  It does look like the inside, doesn't it?
• 26:24
  That the fella went upstairs for a sleep who played Peter
• 26:27
  Wolvesley. No, that's in the real house
• 26:29
  that they used for the outside. Oh my God, this TV studio is so
• 26:33
  convincing. I'm going to.
• 26:35
  Go Goodbye goodbye stories. That's.
• 26:39
  It I mean because you get, you know like Coronation Street or
• 26:41
  something like that. It's a studio.
• 26:42
  It's so overlit. But actually for 80s Doctor Who
• 26:45
  and I do go on about the lighting.
• 26:46
  The lighting is perfect. Why?
• 26:48
  Why is it that they can get lighting like that for like, you
• 26:51
  know, your your pub, your traditional realistic pub, but
• 26:54
  then other things has to be so bright.
• 26:56
  The most fairy lights are going up the stairs later.
• 26:58
  Do you remember though? Exactly on the.
• 27:00
  Contrast. We're not seeing that, are we in
• 27:01
  this version? Not in this version, no.
• 27:03
  But even the in the, whatever it's called, the underwater ship
• 27:06
  thing, that lighting there compared to actually.
• 27:08
  Well, I suppose you get the contrast then.
• 27:10
  But you you know what I'm trying to say.
• 27:12
  Can I say to you that? Oh, this is the yeah, this oh.
• 27:16
  The fights are. I don't really get.
• 27:18
  And then it's is Bambera just sort of standing, just watching?
• 27:22
  Yeah, she's sort of in the background.
• 27:23
  Gun Like a super beat but. She's sort of in the background
• 27:26
  and they're not bothered about her and then it's this a bit
• 27:30
  silly, sort of just running into each other.
• 27:33
  I love Angela Bruce Moore, stop. Will you stop taking a pic out
• 27:35
  of? Her.
• 27:36
  I know. And no, I'm not.
• 27:37
  I'm just saying that the fighting is a.
• 27:38
  Bit that that's the direction of this is terrible, but never
• 27:43
  mind, it's fun. It is fun now.
• 27:45
  Do you not think it's lovely when Sophie Aldrid has an
• 27:48
  assistant like Shadow? Brilliant, isn't it?
• 27:50
  She and she, she's had a few over the time.
• 27:53
  She always finds somebody to talk to in that way she's.
• 27:55
  Got the most quotable line in all of Doctor Who.
• 27:57
  Do you want to know what it is? Go for it.
• 27:59
  But I. I like how that you don't spend
• 28:06
  a lot of time, they're just at the pub, they're chatting and
• 28:08
  she's. Whisked off with.
• 28:09
  Them in the in the adventure and you're building what happened
• 28:12
  and you're already building these characters.
• 28:14
  You've met quite a lot of characters already in this part
• 28:17
  in this first episode. You.
• 28:19
  Know you never know you're going to meet in.
• 28:20
  A party and you have June Bland. She's not bland, though.
• 28:23
  She is no from Earth shock previously, if anybody oh, I
• 28:27
  should look up where else she's been.
• 28:28
  And she's and actually she brings a bit of class to the
• 28:31
  preceding I feel like she's the most accomplished actress in the
• 28:36
  whole of the cast, may I say. And she doesn't have too much to
• 28:41
  do in. This it's a good part though.
• 28:43
  I love that cardigan of her's. Actually, can I say that she
• 28:45
  does have a line here at the moment.
• 28:46
  I think it might have just passed that I've used all the
• 28:48
  time. OK, touch it.
• 28:51
  I can feel it's presence. Oh no, now it's cold.
• 28:57
  But yeah, I think she's she's brilliant in this.
• 29:01
  She was in earth shock as well, and I thought she was similarly
• 29:04
  good in that actually. Yeah, in the same in that story
• 29:06
  she brings the the classy acting the it's like.
• 29:10
  They were rude, but. There's no men on the wall.
• 29:13
  She just brings that level of. Something extra when she says,
• 29:17
  oh, shame. Do you know what she's really
• 29:19
  supposed to be saying, don't you?
• 29:20
  Well, oh shit. Well, yeah.
• 29:23
  But you can't say it, because that house is beautiful, isn't
• 29:26
  it? Look at that greenhouse in the
• 29:27
  background as well. A massive greenhouse the.
• 29:29
  House is bigger than my house. Honestly, I'm going live in
• 29:34
  Alistair. And no, it's Doris's greenhouse.
• 29:37
  Looks like they've got a spare couple of wings and that's
• 29:39
  probably where Anselin stay. Although I would say Anselin and
• 29:42
  Bambera are no longer together in the Bambera set.
• 29:45
  Apparently he had fights to to go to in his own dimension.
• 29:48
  I hope they bring him back. I hope they bring him back.
• 29:51
  Because I ask you what could be a bit of a rude question, OK,
• 29:55
  but could you think of a Doctor Who story of more fuckable men
• 29:58
  in it than this? Anselin and Mordred?
• 30:03
  You know, for the for the heterosexuals, you've got
• 30:07
  Bambera and Ace and Shao Jung. Oh.
• 30:10
  God. And for those people that like
• 30:11
  that sort of thing, you've got Sylvester McCoy.
• 30:13
  What? About Doris and the Brigadier.
• 30:16
  Let's not go there. Oh no, these sparks.
• 30:21
  Yeah, I think the sparks are something a little bit that
• 30:25
  might not be needed. I think the way that Angela
• 30:28
  Bruce has always got a scowl on her face, she never looks quite
• 30:30
  happy except when she says the line.
• 30:32
  So you're married or what? Which is great.
• 30:36
  Oh, here's the bit where, oh, she does Polish in the bar
• 30:39
  beautifully during bland, you know.
• 30:42
  I love how the yeah, you got things like the car phone is
• 30:45
  referenced very you know it's it's it's nice because they've
• 30:49
  not gone. We need to work out what year
• 30:51
  this is, I think. It's the twenty 20s.
• 30:53
  Because even that even the 80s version of the twenty 20s isn't
• 30:57
  so far stretched, it's very realistic.
• 31:00
  And actually, there's the there would have been the temptation,
• 31:03
  if you are setting it so far, to have a few extra things.
• 31:06
  I'm not even budget wise. You might not be able to, but
• 31:09
  you could have gone a little bit silly with some things.
• 31:11
  Yeah, it's true. But it's still you can watch
• 31:15
  this and it can be still the 80s in a way.
• 31:17
  What I. Mean.
• 31:18
  Well, not clean. You know what I mean though, But
• 31:20
  it's interesting that you said it's you don't sell it so far in
• 31:24
  the future. Like they did with the Unit
• 31:25
  stories. Well.
• 31:26
  Or, well, still, yeah, the unit things, that's.
• 31:28
  Did you see what the info text just said there?
• 31:30
  Apparently you're supposed to come in and say it's a bloody
• 31:32
  great rocket, and then JNT vetoed it because of the swear.
• 31:36
  Oh, Jean Marsh. And you get these little hints
• 31:39
  of Jean Marsh. Waiting for me.
• 31:43
  It's a little bit frustrating that The Brigadiers takes so
• 31:47
  long to get into the story. I mean, you're sitting here for
• 31:49
  a few minutes watching a helicopter land.
• 31:51
  In the Demons, they just went off in the helicopter and they
• 31:53
  were there. He could have got the call.
• 31:55
  I mean, I don't. Know though that it's kind of
• 31:58
  shown. But he can't.
• 31:59
  But I suppose he can't get there too early in the script.
• 32:02
  Oh God, I sound like Ben Reverich now.
• 32:04
  Ben. Oh God, I'm so sorry.
• 32:06
  A roverich? A roverich.
• 32:08
  I feel like I'm a I'm a roverich thing right now, but I can see
• 32:11
  how. Maybe because the Brigadier
• 32:15
  can't get there too early. So you've got to have an episode
• 32:17
  of him just in a helicopter and saying goodbye.
• 32:19
  And is this scene where he's very tender with Doris here and
• 32:23
  she's saying you don't have to go?
• 32:24
  Was that, do you think? Because they were going to kill
• 32:26
  off the Brigadier originally and then they changed it, do you
• 32:28
  think? The goodbye, do you?
• 32:29
  Think that scene there is to is a leftover from the original
• 32:33
  where he hasn't because she's saying you don't have to go you
• 32:35
  don't have to do this and he's like I am and then that would
• 32:38
  have paid off at the end when he.
• 32:39
  Was killed. Stubborn sticking in dumb skull.
• 32:44
  Oh, this is the infamous boom scene.
• 32:47
  I think people don't like this story just for this scene, you
• 32:49
  know. You should have heard what Doc
• 32:50
  OOA was going on about and this. He got that bloody boom.
• 32:53
  Is that like people going backwards from?
• 32:55
  Other I love it. I absolutely love it and like.
• 32:57
  I hang on the but the explosion. And the ambition between the
• 33:01
  cutting back and forth, I think it just needs to be a bit
• 33:03
  tighter. You're not the person that minds
• 33:06
  it if they're ambitious, but they don't quite achieve it.
• 33:09
  Well, no, I still, I get what's supposed to happen, but I I
• 33:12
  think it just needs to be a bit speedier.
• 33:14
  Can I just ask you what Tri Nitro toiletrine?
• 33:17
  Is. I have no idea.
• 33:18
  She says she wants out with more Breezins.
• 33:21
  What's Breezins? I don't know.
• 33:23
  But it's all very cool. Ace was so cool because the
• 33:25
  explosive thing and the baseball bat thing.
• 33:27
  In school, in infants, right? Me and my friend Ross, we'd be
• 33:31
  playing Remembrance of the Dark. We would all fight about who was
• 33:33
  going to be Ace, because Ace had the baseball all second.
• 33:36
  You'd be the Brigadier because a Brigadier had a gun.
• 33:38
  It was all about the what happens.
• 33:40
  Forget Mary Whitehouse. We always wanted to be ace,
• 33:43
  blowing things up and hitting people with baseball bats when
• 33:45
  we were young. Scaring.
• 33:47
  Me right now. That's why she was the cool
• 33:49
  companion. Can I ask you something?
• 33:50
  Yeah. What's going on?
• 33:52
  You better ask the professor what's going.
• 33:54
  On my such a war that doesn't even belong to this dimension.
• 34:01
  Do you know Bambera's a bit rude here?
• 34:04
  She comes in and goes. You're under arrest, you and
• 34:07
  your freaky friends. I think what she's supposed to
• 34:11
  say is fucking friend. Oh, my God, Anselyn.
• 34:15
  Now look, we we do need to talk about Marcus Gilbert.
• 34:18
  And do that in the next episode. Have we got time now?
• 34:20
  No, not really. OK, so in the.
• 34:21
  Next episode, very quick. Second to just say that many of
• 34:26
  my wet dreams in the 90s were about Marcus Gilbert as Anselyn.
• 34:30
  He is pretty though he is. So is Maldred.
• 34:34
  See when she says as well, Oh it's an Android or something I
• 34:37
  that confused me even more because I thought is he an
• 34:39
  Android? I don't.
• 34:40
  Know, do you know at the end of this cliffhanger the whole wall
• 34:44
  was supposed to explode? Oh yeah, they didn't have time.
• 34:48
  So you just get a sound effect? Yeah, so you don't know, but
• 34:53
  it's annoying that then you cut back to, oh, the bricketers only
• 34:56
  just get into the helicopter now.
• 34:57
  He's an old man. Give him a chance.
• 35:00
  He's been. Snocking Doris on the lawn for
• 35:01
  half an hour. Helicopter man just sitting
• 35:05
  there waiting. I love this shot though You're
• 35:08
  actually, I think you're right. This shot as it pulls away from
• 35:10
  her watching him, it's supposed to be like a goodbye, isn't it?
• 35:14
  Yeah, this sort of thing you get in the movie.
• 35:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:20
  Fabulous. Xiao Yung asking.
• 35:22
  Merlin was removed. Don't take lines away from Ling
• 35:26
  Tai. She's the best.
• 35:28
  But this is, it's a great concept this, you know, they're
• 35:32
  calling him Man, Of course. Why haven't they done Merlin
• 35:34
  before in Doctor Who? You'd think in 26 years somebody
• 35:36
  would have done something like that.
• 35:38
  Touched on the Arthurian. Measure.
• 35:39
  Yeah, yeah. And I think they do really cute
• 35:42
  things with it. When she pulls the sword out the
• 35:44
  stage, like, no, no, Professor, it's not like I'm king of the
• 35:47
  Britons, is it? Yeah, you know.
• 35:50
  I mean, I don't know too much about Arthurian legend.
• 35:52
  You know the basics, I know we are the basics.
• 35:55
  And what I know from Merlin, which is probably a little bit
• 35:57
  different. The TV series I'm.
• 36:00
  Literally in the dark about all of this.
• 36:01
  So basically my knowledge of Merlin is this story.
• 36:04
  Oh, OK Well, it's slightly. Skewed.
• 36:06
  Then it comes from another dimension.
• 36:09
  Oh, here we go. Do you think Shao Yung could
• 36:12
  have been a companion throughout the season?
• 36:14
  Oh, absolutely. All over that shit.
• 36:16
  You know, someone that they just drop in again.
• 36:18
  She could end up working for UNIT or something and just.
• 36:20
  That bad? That could be the new.
• 36:22
  More Earth space stories. There's someone and there we go.
• 36:24
  There's a. Cliff, by all accounts,
• 36:26
  Chipnall's bringing everyone back in that special.
• 36:28
  If Shao Yung comes back as well, I'll be over the moon.
• 36:31
  You can be stupid. Because you could have seen her
• 36:34
  and Ace going off, getting in trouble together, and working
• 36:38
  really well to get a different way to Ace and Mel.
• 36:41
  That's true. I'm going to say right, that
• 36:43
  episode, yeah, I think that it's doing exactly what the show
• 36:48
  needed to be doing at this time and that is earth based,
• 36:51
  something very relatable with lots of really cool characters
• 36:55
  and lots of action and blah blah blah.
• 36:57
  I do think it's it is what they should have been doing.
• 37:00
  I don't think it's well directed and that is probably my biggest
• 37:03
  problem with this is. It's very ambitious, though.
• 37:09
  It's a very ambitious everything you've got in.
• 37:11
  Episode 4, right? You get these action sequences
• 37:13
  with people like literally jumping over trampolines with
• 37:15
  Kev McCullough playing his gay disco music.
• 37:18
  It's tonally very strange. We're out in episode one now.
• 37:23
  Do you have any closing thoughts?
• 37:25
  No, just. Well, let's just see what
• 37:27
  happens in episode 2 in episode 2.
• 37:30
  Let's do it. The
• 38:06
  a hamster with a blunt penknife for doing.
• 38:08
  Quicker, quicker. Quicker Welcome back to A
• 38:14
  Hamster with a Blunt Penknife, a Doctor Who commentary podcast.
• 38:20
  You really sound like you were thinking about that.
• 38:22
  No, it was it took me a minute. It's been a while, yeah.
• 38:26
  Do you know what I realized in episode one?
• 38:27
  Yeah. Well, you mean when we did the
• 38:29
  Android invasion commentary many, many years ago and you
• 38:32
  didn't say anything? I know.
• 38:33
  It was like getting blood out of stone to get you don't fucking
• 38:36
  shut up now, do you? Well, we are here.
• 38:41
  We are watching Battlefield. That's right, Episode 2, Episode
• 38:44
  2 and. The air.
• 38:47
  Is like honey. I cannot allow your
• 38:50
  interference, Mark. But before I can ask you a
• 38:55
  question, yeah, what I do love asking questions.
• 38:57
  Is there any way to learn? I think that's the first of a
• 39:00
  coin line, isn't it? I don't know.
• 39:02
  Okay, Do you think this is an interesting innovation of units
• 39:07
  because obviously in the 70s it was very British, wasn't it,
• 39:10
  very sort of middle class that Benton and Yates and the
• 39:14
  Brigadier was. Now they're going sort of full
• 39:17
  on continental. They got, they got people.
• 39:20
  Sorry, International. Yes.
• 39:21
  Continental. Right.
• 39:25
  Jesus fucking competition. Yeah.
• 39:30
  And you obviously you've got lots of mixed race and I don't
• 39:33
  know, I just think it's so refreshing because.
• 39:36
  We you couldn't have stayed how it was.
• 39:38
  In terms of representation though, I think this is one of
• 39:40
  the best Doctor Who stories still.
• 39:43
  Absolutely. And again, in season 2016, if
• 39:46
  they had another season, it would have only progressed even
• 39:48
  more and and just carried on that way, I think, and more.
• 39:51
  That's the same, isn't it? Yeah, and.
• 39:53
  More Shao Young. We want both of them.
• 39:55
  Oh my God, can't they bring Shao Young into the Bambara series?
• 39:59
  I would love. Isn't the taste of the Big
• 40:01
  Finish. Yeah.
• 40:02
  In the Big Finish thing, I think Anson needs to come back and
• 40:05
  they could get all these characters.
• 40:07
  Yeah. Should we start Part 2?
• 40:09
  Is that? Yeah.
• 40:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh.
• 40:12
  Still sipping my off as oh. Hang on a second.
• 40:15
  What? Hey, that's my car.
• 40:17
  All right. OK.
• 40:20
  It's all right. It's OK.
• 40:21
  I don't need it. Right.
• 40:23
  Oh my God, there's more part with oh forget.
• 40:27
  Part 2. Into Time and Space The
• 40:30
  Fabulous. I love the way the stars explain
• 40:32
  I. Love the stars.
• 40:33
  I love the silvery rocks that go do.
• 40:37
  You know what though, right? I don't think they didn't.
• 40:40
  The reason why the ratings were so low this season is they
• 40:42
  didn't do no trials or anything, did they?
• 40:45
  There's always some, there's always exclusive. 3.9 million
• 40:49
  viewers and this was the show on the up.
• 40:53
  I know, but this was was it against Coronation Street by now
• 40:56
  on a weekday or something? Well, Rich Holdsworth, that's a
• 40:59
  hell of a draw, honestly. Curly Watts and Raquel.
• 41:03
  Oh no, I. Think they would have been and
• 41:04
  yeah. You've got the inferior pub in
• 41:06
  Coronation Street. This is the best pub set.
• 41:08
  You should the GoPro Hotel. Like, if they don't need
• 41:11
  Coronation Street, they can turn over and see June Bland at the
• 41:13
  bar. What's that strange bit all
• 41:15
  about when the lights go out and everyone screams?
• 41:17
  I love that I. Love that I like it when he
• 41:19
  goes. Pop, Good morning.
• 41:23
  Earthquake in England. Oh, it's.
• 41:26
  Brilliant. And it was so scary again.
• 41:28
  It reminds me of child watching this.
• 41:30
  It was scary when all the lights go out.
• 41:33
  Or can we just have a moment for Angela Bruce?
• 41:35
  Oh, can you turn it up a second? I just want everyone to hear her
• 41:38
  saying, you ready? Oh, she's about to come.
• 41:40
  Through Oh, no. Wait, wait, wait.
• 41:47
  Here we go. Here we go.
• 41:50
  There we go. You.
• 41:54
  Freaky friends. Oh, a bit.
• 41:58
  We had a bit of sound earlier. Okay, do you know, I'm actually
• 42:02
  convinced That's a brewery, though.
• 42:03
  They got few barrels. So is this is this set all?
• 42:07
  Okay, No, it's set. Set.
• 42:09
  Yeah. It's perfect.
• 42:10
  Again, the lighting is spot on. Do you know what's hilarious?
• 42:13
  In a minute where she's You'll talk to me and start kicking the
• 42:18
  shit out of answering. They're just establishing their
• 42:21
  credentials. I love that bit.
• 42:23
  Oh shit, look at that shooting. Him.
• 42:26
  Oh, so here we have Mordred. Mordred, who Sarah Sutton
• 42:31
  thought was a nice bit of rough on the behind the sofa.
• 42:34
  I've not seen him in any other stuff I mean, I've seen.
• 42:37
  Oh, I'll tell my story. I'll tell my Marcus Gilbert
• 42:40
  story. Oh, if.
• 42:41
  You were listening. To your show.
• 42:43
  This was the worst experience of Marc's life.
• 42:46
  It. Wasn't pissed off, I was.
• 42:48
  Very excited to meet some of the cast of Battlefield.
• 42:50
  That's all I they did. There's quite a few of them
• 42:52
  together at a convention I went to a few years ago and I met him
• 42:56
  then. He was.
• 42:56
  He was all right. And then this time at this
• 42:59
  signing. Say one thing about this, yeah,
• 43:01
  it's very bizarre, right? It's because Fab, Fabulous
• 43:04
  Phantom, they do these lovely events.
• 43:07
  Oh, this one. It was this signing in this
• 43:09
  church hall with a couple of tables and these tiny kiddie
• 43:12
  chairs. They are, aren't they?
• 43:13
  So anyway. Very strange affair.
• 43:16
  Great. Marcus Gilbert was there.
• 43:17
  I had something for him to sign. Very exciting to see because
• 43:20
  it's from my favorite, one of my favorite stories, and he'd hurt
• 43:24
  his hand. So you're right.
• 43:26
  And he had it in like a cast or something.
• 43:29
  So I was going off. I was like, oh, can you sign
• 43:30
  that? You know, it was literally he
• 43:32
  had to write to Mark and sign his name.
• 43:35
  And he was like, oh, I've hurt my hand.
• 43:37
  I can't write dedications. I can't write to Mark.
• 43:41
  So he just refused to write that.
• 43:43
  He wrote his name just about. And then the person wrote.
• 43:48
  And then he got whoever was looking after him to write the
• 43:50
  dedications. He got some random person wrote
• 43:52
  to Mark, and then he wrote his name very slowly.
• 43:55
  I was just thought. I'd just say it as Mark.
• 43:58
  As Mark walked back towards me. I have never seen him look so
• 44:01
  slighted and insulted it. Was just not something you
• 44:04
  wouldn't expect, like oh, I can't write like 6 letters.
• 44:10
  Even worse, do you think you said you went you're going to
• 44:13
  love this? Like, I like a bit drama.
• 44:17
  Well, I just thought, don't. If you can't do it, don't turn
• 44:20
  up and do it and don't charge. 10 lbs.
• 44:22
  And he didn't allow it to be there.
• 44:23
  And he looked very. I just thought.
• 44:26
  I would like to say that it doesn't take away.
• 44:27
  Does that take? My favours at the moment.
• 44:29
  What does that spoil your enjoyment of anselin?
• 44:31
  No it doesn't. That's good because it's not
• 44:33
  good. Anselin is not Marcus Gill.
• 44:35
  You've turned the sound right down again, right?
• 44:41
  OK, here we go. Well, we had to have silence for
• 44:43
  the Marcus Gilford. Sorry, I just, I just like
• 44:45
  hearing a bit of Kef McCullough. I mean, I'm sure he's all right.
• 44:48
  It was just. I just thought, what?
• 44:50
  Don't even bother turning up if you can't use your hand.
• 44:54
  Ah, did you see that AP Gash Y, which is his surname Anslin?
• 44:58
  Oh yeah, it means, oh son of something in Welsh, but it's
• 45:02
  tied into the Arthurian legend. A lot of, yeah.
• 45:05
  You've got a lot of the Welsh names and the Welsh things in in
• 45:09
  now this. Is a shameless bit.
• 45:11
  I'll tell you for why. Because are you going to enter
• 45:13
  off Rich right now? I'm not going to have her off
• 45:15
  Rich. No, I'm going to say I think she
• 45:18
  gets a fabulous build up. All this sorcery and the light
• 45:22
  fittings, you know, going up and lighting up and the sword going
• 45:26
  in and the sparks. And then he starts laughing his
• 45:29
  head off and it's just like a panty.
• 45:31
  I think the. Laughing scene divides.
• 45:34
  No, Well. No, actually.
• 45:35
  It's excuse to one side, it's just a bit is it that directors,
• 45:40
  the directors issue there Michael?
• 45:42
  Kerrigan. Yes.
• 45:43
  Do you remember? Do you know what I suppose?
• 45:45
  You've got to try and build up the tension more and more and
• 45:47
  more and more. Yeah, but not by having someone
• 45:50
  going you. Know it's one of those points in
• 45:53
  Doctor Who. There are certain points
• 45:55
  sometimes where you don't want someone else to walk in the room
• 45:57
  while you're watching it, and you don't want someone to walk
• 46:00
  in the room while he's laughing his head off.
• 46:02
  That isn't a fan. I mean, you know what I mean?
• 46:04
  Then she turns up in a in a hail of lights.
• 46:07
  And but then that is an amazing thing in the way that the lights
• 46:10
  there and. It's it's behind the lights
• 46:12
  behind her. Really.
• 46:13
  She's done. It's.
• 46:14
  Just It's so funny. You can go from something
• 46:16
  terrible like that laughing to something amazing.
• 46:18
  Mark, hear me. I hear.
• 46:22
  You. Do not face against me this
• 46:25
  time, Mark, for your soul's sake.
• 46:30
  Is there any other Doctor story you know?
• 46:32
  So many lines? That's just.
• 46:33
  Brilliant. Was this scabbard on a sword?
• 46:37
  On a on a wire. That's like CGI or something.
• 46:40
  But yeah, I think it's going to wire.
• 46:42
  There Why is the glasses lit? I know.
• 46:44
  Honestly, people make pretty things.
• 46:45
  People coming to the. Pub.
• 46:47
  So I'm going to look at the pub. I do like to go to these kind
• 46:49
  of, you know, these pubs and it smells like cigarette smoke, you
• 46:55
  know, you sort of traditional. Personal.
• 46:57
  Life all right. Do quite like.
• 46:59
  Oh, and the Brigadier, he's still up there.
• 47:00
  He's it's the longest. He's asleep.
• 47:03
  I thought in helicopters you're supposed to get there really
• 47:04
  quick. I don't know, but it's not
• 47:06
  really so much about the story of the Briggs.
• 47:07
  Asleep. If this is really random
• 47:10
  knowledge, if they could get the TOWIE cast from like 2 nightclub
• 47:14
  appearances from one end of the UK to the other like they did at
• 47:17
  their height of their fame which I was listening to about on the
• 47:20
  podcast, they could get the Brigadier from one place to the
• 47:23
  other in what it's like 2 days or something.
• 47:26
  Oh no. Oh sorry sorry.
• 47:27
  Correction, he's he stops in London to be briefed.
• 47:30
  Doesn't. He Well, it's a shame though,
• 47:31
  because on a special edition they show footage of London and
• 47:34
  it it allows you to understand the geography of what they're
• 47:37
  doing more. I feel like there's some bits
• 47:39
  taken out that would have helped.
• 47:42
  But can I say yeah, So far we've seen him in a garden centre
• 47:45
  doing his gardening in his lovely garden, then getting
• 47:48
  taken ages to get into a helicopter, then asleep, and
• 47:51
  then when he finally gets to Carberry, he just has a little
• 47:55
  chat with Morgan. Hello Render.
• 47:58
  Now we can avoid bloodshed, you know, it's like what?
• 48:01
  Yeah, And if you don't know the character of the Brigadier, does
• 48:05
  that look different? Because you'd be like, who's
• 48:07
  this guy that's on his way that's completely disconnected
• 48:09
  from everything so far, because we know it's the Brigadier.
• 48:14
  It's just great to see him doing whatever really, isn't it?
• 48:17
  It is and he is. He is fun and they do some
• 48:19
  lovely things with him and Ace, you know.
• 48:22
  Well, they cut that scene out, didn't they?
• 48:23
  Where they where she gets a tick?
• 48:24
  Yeah. That's a shame.
• 48:26
  Not really my field that. Is a bit of a shame, that was.
• 48:29
  Sylvester Mccoy's acting in this bit is hilarious.
• 48:32
  I cannot allow You're at the ferrets, yeah.
• 48:36
  And you know when he sort of, you know, when he grabs the
• 48:40
  scabbard and sort of screams in pain?
• 48:43
  I mean, have you ever seen a man have an orgasm a bit like that?
• 48:46
  Oh, I don't want to talk about the guy.
• 48:47
  Have an orgasm. Sorry, yeah.
• 48:49
  No. He's doing it.
• 48:55
  Oh, that's great. Though the way Ansling comes
• 48:57
  behind it goes, she is coming. Because he knows, yeah.
• 49:02
  Yeah. And can I say, as much as I am
• 49:05
  ripping this a lot, Jean Marsh as Morgan is bloody brilliant.
• 49:14
  She's peerlessly good. She's been playing witches like
• 49:18
  this in Willow Off. In films like that, she's.
• 49:20
  Great in Willow. Isn't she in off Willow?
• 49:22
  Exactly what she's doing, doesn't she?
• 49:24
  They are not the savages you led us to believe.
• 49:28
  We fought on this soil with that proper respect for that dead.
• 49:33
  And all the acting in this, everybody is just one Hunt is
• 49:35
  right in it. No one is.
• 49:37
  I don't know does this story does get well.
• 49:39
  It does get criticism for being a bit over the top, but I don't
• 49:42
  think it is because they, you know, the the.
• 49:45
  Did you see that? She got an OBE.
• 49:48
  Yeah. Jean Marsh got an OBE.
• 49:49
  Yeah. I didn't well.
• 49:52
  Not for Battlefield, particularly other workers, you
• 49:56
  know. We were together in the woods of
• 49:59
  Cellar Dolls. Imagine getting her getting that
• 50:01
  thing pinned on her. I loved Battlefield Episode 2.
• 50:04
  She could absolutely turn up at Buckingham Palace dressed like
• 50:07
  that. You know, that fabulous
• 50:09
  breastplate. Oh yeah, Do you know what Sarah
• 50:12
  Jane Adventures? That Michael Carey directed.
• 50:16
  The Ross Abbott One. The Secrets of the Stars.
• 50:20
  And but also Ronnie's first one with the Clown and Bradley
• 50:23
  Walsh. That's oh, here we go.
• 50:25
  I love that, yeah. But the lights all go out and
• 50:27
  everyone's screaming. This is nice, though this is
• 50:29
  unusual. And just all the next day it's.
• 50:31
  Coming up, he's going through the garden and it's been a
• 50:34
  terrible storm. I love a pub garden like.
• 50:36
  This. But you know what?
• 50:37
  I read it. I had a read a review once.
• 50:39
  Yeah, that said, that Sylvester record was more convincing
• 50:42
  popping a bag of crisps than it was delivering his speech.
• 50:45
  He's, I think he's, I don't have any criticism for Sylvester
• 50:49
  McCoy this. Is the first story with his new
• 50:51
  brown jacket. Oh, yeah, Because they filmed
• 50:55
  these ones out of sequence, didn't they?
• 50:56
  And then they were broadcast indifferent.
• 50:58
  So I Yeah. Oh, Bambera and Anselin are
• 51:03
  sleeping together right now, and he's handcuffed.
• 51:07
  She's taken advantage of him handcuffed.
• 51:09
  She sings a type. I don't.
• 51:10
  Show where is you think I don't understand.
• 51:12
  Where's the rest of unit while this is all happening?
• 51:15
  They turn up later, don't they? For the fire, think.
• 51:17
  She'd be able to phone some back.
• 51:19
  Oh, and Brigadier? He's still in the helicopter.
• 51:22
  Why? Why have they got carrier bags
• 51:24
  over there? I.
• 51:25
  Think that's just simonizing, isn't it?
• 51:26
  That's how you looked. This is a very bug.
• 51:28
  So you know they like going back to helicoptering bugs exactly.
• 51:32
  It's very, very prescient. I think you would have got.
• 51:35
  Was that supposed? To be more helicopter in further
• 51:39
  series if they carried on unit in helicopter you.
• 51:41
  Like a bit of a helicopter. I love helicopters.
• 51:44
  Oh, come on then, I've. Never done that.
• 51:45
  Actually I don't think I want to go in one but.
• 51:47
  I hear they're they're a wee bit rickety.
• 51:50
  Don't know Annika Rice with me legs dangling out as you go from
• 51:53
  one end of the country to the other.
• 51:54
  Do you? Know what it's a bit like
• 51:55
  challenge Annika, 'cause she's been off the story going around.
• 51:59
  There you can get it to how many locations in the UK in 40
• 52:02
  minutes and the biggest is. Still, I would like to say she.
• 52:04
  Does have the help of Wincy Willis you?
• 52:06
  Know. Yeah, Well, that's who the
• 52:07
  Brigadier needs. Wincy Willis from London.
• 52:10
  You're on your way to Carbury. Alistair Carbury?
• 52:13
  No. The clue.
• 52:13
  What would the clue be? Oh God.
• 52:17
  Everything else? Propaganda.
• 52:18
  No, it'll be something like Arthurian legend by the lake,
• 52:23
  where ale is brewed and and and Braille is at the bar.
• 52:31
  Hello. Yes, Keith thinks he can see
• 52:33
  ABBC crew down there filming Doctor Who.
• 52:36
  They've, they've crashed the. Warhead into the lake.
• 52:44
  Like the point of archaeology, Mark is to carefully recover the
• 52:47
  past. And This is why we love Ace
• 52:49
  blowing things up. That's what you like as a child.
• 52:51
  Are you all right? Yeah, that was the coolest thing
• 52:53
  ever to do for this kind of stuff, to watch these guys.
• 52:55
  Encouraging kids to be arsonists and.
• 52:58
  That's what you. Like demolitionists?
• 53:00
  Don't you? Yeah.
• 53:01
  Love blowing things up like and this is.
• 53:04
  That's why Ace was brilliant. Nobody let Mark babysit their
• 53:07
  children, all right? They go.
• 53:11
  We're going to turn into terrorists, OK, I love that bit.
• 53:16
  Now she goes, I think I may have missed done the timing.
• 53:20
  One of these days we'll have a talk about acceptable safety
• 53:23
  measures. It's all right.
• 53:28
  It's just too tempting. Oh, this line.
• 53:32
  Just speak Czechoslovakian only when, I don't know.
• 53:36
  She's really fun and she has a really, really sad death.
• 53:39
  I know, I know. Oh my.
• 53:41
  God, can you quote this bit? Come on.
• 53:44
  Call me like my lady again, I'll break your nose.
• 53:47
  Do. You.
• 53:51
  Know what can I just say? I've got the weird fetish about
• 53:54
  Doctor Who set in green, green forests.
• 53:57
  It's a classic location like. Pyramid of Mars, Android
• 54:00
  Invasion, Seeds of Doom, Visitation.
• 54:04
  I just love it when we go into the forest.
• 54:09
  So you know when the helicopter lands and blows up, Yeah, well,
• 54:14
  they didn't blow up an actual helicopter.
• 54:16
  I think it was a well, not a fake version.
• 54:20
  Yeah. I don't know how they did it.
• 54:21
  I think they only had one try. I.
• 54:23
  Wonder where that church is? I'd like to go and visit there.
• 54:26
  Yeah, what Gene Marsh is wearing as well that copper, copper
• 54:30
  press play, press play, it's. It's.
• 54:33
  Beautiful, I was just. Going to say copper tits,
• 54:38
  hashtag, cup of tits. It's a wonderful costume.
• 54:42
  But This is why she's so complex.
• 54:44
  So she's going to teach them the limits of their technology.
• 54:48
  But then she pays for the drinks later, doesn't she?
• 54:50
  By giving June Bland her sight bag.
• 54:53
  Then she murders Lavelle for the information.
• 54:55
  She's so interesting. They're not just what are they
• 55:00
  called, as I say, 1 dimensional characters.
• 55:02
  Yeah, two-dimensional characters, I mean.
• 55:04
  I think someone's like Chao Young is fairly one-dimensional.
• 55:06
  Yeah, but they don't. Yeah, but she hasn't got that
• 55:07
  much to do really. But what she does in her lines
• 55:10
  are are brilliant. But yeah, you've got that logic
• 55:14
  for more gain. Like you say, there is a world
• 55:17
  there that has been thought about.
• 55:19
  History as well, yeah, the whole this whole story is built on her
• 55:23
  history with Arthur, and we learn in episode 4 is that she's
• 55:26
  in love with him still and she's angry because basically ditched
• 55:31
  her off for the round table. Do you think they had it off on
• 55:36
  the round? Literally, I knew you were going
• 55:38
  to say that when Moni said Round table.
• 55:39
  Sorry, sorry. This is a very low budget
• 55:45
  helicopter crash though, because you've just got a helicopter
• 55:47
  with a bit of smoke coming out the bottom of it.
• 55:49
  Is that a set? Yeah, this concrete tunnel I for
• 55:52
  years I thought this was outside, you know time in Irani
• 55:56
  esque concrete tunnel, but it's a SAR apparently did.
• 56:00
  You see that being on the info text about concrete being used
• 56:02
  in the Roman Empire. 500 BCI didn't know that.
• 56:09
  No, use concrete. I got a little bit confused in
• 56:12
  the story why there was a concrete tunnel here but the
• 56:14
  Doctor is supposed to have built.
• 56:15
  It but. The Doctor is supposed to do
• 56:17
  that, no? It's an airlock.
• 56:20
  It spits out later on under the water.
• 56:22
  It I think the from going, you've only got that tunnel
• 56:27
  scene there to connect all of that green sword area and
• 56:31
  underwater it's not until you see that model shot later on,
• 56:34
  it's not always clear, is it? And.
• 56:38
  Maybe because they cut out. If you've got the VHS version,
• 56:41
  you've got the twinkly staircase because they cut out all of
• 56:43
  that. You go from this underground
• 56:46
  archaeological Dick to this bright studio and it's the
• 56:49
  Kinect just isn't really there, I don't think, in terms of where
• 56:53
  stuff is. Did you see that?
• 56:55
  Apparently this was supposed to be 3 parts all on location
• 56:58
  originally. Well, I think it's lit well
• 57:00
  enough. What I'm going?
• 57:02
  To turn these info texts off because you're just sitting
• 57:04
  there reading. Oh, it's interesting, people
• 57:05
  might want to know. But we've unlearned.
• 57:08
  Things about the story. They can put the info takes on
• 57:10
  themselves, can't they? Because here are convention
• 57:12
  anecdotes. No, It's supposed to be 3 parts,
• 57:15
  all set on location, and I I think this is lit well enough
• 57:19
  that you could convince be convinced this was all set on
• 57:22
  location, don't you think? Apart from the the spaceship,
• 57:25
  yeah. That's set in Pinky bottom that
• 57:28
  bit, so why is she sending Mordred away?
• 57:33
  This is, I don't know. He's supposed to be leading the
• 57:36
  army, isn't he? Or.
• 57:38
  Oh, I'm not sure. But she she lets him die later.
• 57:41
  Doesn't she die? Well, my son, this is very
• 57:46
  strange, this bit. With more game meeting the
• 57:49
  villain. And the hero, me and I have a
• 57:51
  little chin wag. Yeah, but I suppose for the
• 57:54
  Brigadiers point of view, he doesn't know exactly what's been
• 57:58
  going on. They haven't attacked him or
• 58:01
  anything. Oh, do you know what?
• 58:03
  I use that line all the time. I'm at work.
• 58:05
  How goes the day? I've had better.
• 58:10
  It's nice that she gives them the warning, though.
• 58:12
  Next time we meet. All right, I'm going to kill
• 58:14
  you. And the Brigadier?
• 58:15
  By this point, he's met so many race he knows what to expect
• 58:19
  now. He's not met.
• 58:20
  Her. He's a wiser.
• 58:21
  Brigadier Marsh before. He's a wiser Brigadier.
• 58:25
  Isn't it strange that in the classic series Nicholas Courtney
• 58:29
  and Jean Marsh, first and Last Story was together?
• 58:32
  Oh, yes. I'm not just pretty.
• 58:35
  Yeah. Oh, I'd love her.
• 58:39
  Oh. Apparently this bit with James
• 58:41
  Ellis, right where he's quoting this, wasn't in the script.
• 58:43
  It just started doing it and went, Oh well, let's just stick
• 58:45
  it in, shall we I? Thought it was a bit odd when I.
• 58:47
  First watched it I. Like the the light going through
• 58:50
  the ceiling. Yeah, the sword.
• 58:51
  Is it clear that it's underwater?
• 58:53
  I'm sorry, everyone. I keep it a rubber itch.
• 58:56
  I keep being a negative. Rich.
• 58:57
  Rich. I won't.
• 58:59
  Honestly. Oh, this is terrible.
• 59:02
  Yeah, this is Saturday morning. I'm.
• 59:04
  Kicking. Fish It's a fish head with dry.
• 59:07
  Ice. Yeah, I don't.
• 59:08
  Not sure if the fish do. You know, remember that show
• 59:10
  Funhouse? It's a whole Oh my God.
• 59:13
  Yeah, with the fries. Is to be with the.
• 59:14
  Twins. Is it Melanie Martina?
• 59:16
  It's more like patchar bars thinking about.
• 59:19
  You. Know at the end where they go
• 59:20
  round to the carts in the fun house and they'll go 2 blonde
• 59:22
  and they're like yeah let's count them and you got and they
• 59:24
  go we've got one. 2. 345, yeah. I was just using.
• 59:34
  I was referencing it to make a point.
• 59:36
  Yeah, no, it's yeah, that looks like.
• 59:37
  Something else? It looks like something you'd go
• 59:39
  for. It.
• 59:41
  Look, these terrible polystyrene teeth, then that reminds me of
• 59:44
  of a dantology. Teeth.
• 59:46
  Teeth. The scientific study of teeth.
• 59:49
  What's that from? Terror the Zygons.
• 59:51
  That's right, a set of giant molars that can cut through rock
• 59:55
  as easily as paper. So now this is where we get the
• 59:59
  bit cut out. So they go straight in there and
• 1:00:02
  they're off their. Mouth and they're going down the
• 1:00:04
  stairs, aren't they? And I suppose the downness helps
• 1:00:07
  realise that you're going underground.
• 1:00:08
  Literally like that, you'd have a spaceship underground with a
• 1:00:10
  fish head to get in. Wow.
• 1:00:13
  What? What?
• 1:00:14
  What would you have? Do you not think right when Kev
• 1:00:16
  McCulloch plays his music and the nights sort of storm off
• 1:00:19
  like that? Looks like they're all going off
• 1:00:20
  to a gay disco. I've been to a.
• 1:00:24
  Few like that, you know, they're all dressed up like Knights.
• 1:00:32
  Oh, this is where they're talking about.
• 1:00:34
  Hang on, what is it? The science, which is
• 1:00:36
  indistinguishable from magic and magic, which is
• 1:00:39
  indistinguishable from science. Brilliant Doctor Who concept.
• 1:00:42
  From which story? The demons.
• 1:00:45
  The demons. Science, Miss Hawthorne.
• 1:00:49
  Oh, that's what this means. This is Miss Hawthorne in the
• 1:00:51
  pub as a regular. You don't need a Miss Hawthorne.
• 1:00:54
  You've got June Bland and Xiao Yung the.
• 1:00:57
  Signs are there for all to. See.
• 1:00:59
  I cast. The.
• 1:01:00
  Rules only this. Morning.
• 1:01:03
  Oh, here we go. It's a big.
• 1:01:04
  Question about Nicholas Courtney in this story Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Has he put on a little weight? Not.
• 1:01:10
  I think he's filling out in that unit costume, you know?
• 1:01:14
  No, don't worry. He's fabulous and I love him.
• 1:01:17
  But if I wore that cuff stream, I'd look like that as well.
• 1:01:19
  So. Here we are.
• 1:01:20
  Here's the model shot of the spaceship.
• 1:01:21
  What do you think of this or the design?
• 1:01:22
  I I like the design, but I don't think the model shots.
• 1:01:25
  It doesn't convince me. It actually feels like it's been
• 1:01:28
  shot in a fish tank. Well, it probably has.
• 1:01:31
  I know, but it doesn't look like that, is it?
• 1:01:34
  Oh, this is brilliant. I'm going to have a moment.
• 1:01:36
  Now as this thing comes out, because I'm going to go back to
• 1:01:39
  being nine years old again, this was.
• 1:01:41
  So when you first watched, it was so excited.
• 1:01:44
  So it was this green thing comes out and.
• 1:01:48
  But it might. It's so.
• 1:01:49
  Exciting. It was like, how are they going
• 1:01:51
  to get out of this, this action-packed moment?
• 1:01:54
  It was it was brilliant. In my 9 year old head I could
• 1:01:57
  not figure out what it was and I think that's what was scary and
• 1:02:00
  just seeing the rest of my quite going throwing him about the
• 1:02:03
  set. But again, that gets a
• 1:02:04
  criticism. But no, it's.
• 1:02:06
  What the the effect? Just the over the over silliness
• 1:02:11
  physical silliness of oh. Because then it has that great
• 1:02:14
  climax when it's Brigadier, you know, which slips on the thing,
• 1:02:19
  doesn't it? And gets rid of it.
• 1:02:20
  Oh, here we go. So what's it supposed to be?
• 1:02:24
  I know it's an automatic. Defence, yeah, it's like a.
• 1:02:27
  Why does it look like that? I don't know.
• 1:02:29
  Well, it's it's sort of fish themed, doesn't it?
• 1:02:32
  It's like an eel. Come on, can you do a favour
• 1:02:34
  eel? Because you've been to more
• 1:02:35
  conventions than me, so. You've heard a girl.
• 1:02:37
  Bang on about this bloody story and the tank.
• 1:02:39
  Oh, we can't so. Can you can you tell?
• 1:02:41
  Everybody. I'm not telling everyone about
• 1:02:42
  the tank and. Then they all turn around
• 1:02:44
  everybody and we're wearing eye patches.
• 1:02:45
  I've heard that so much. Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  I mean. By all accounts, it was the one
• 1:02:50
  time Sylvester McCoy got to be genuinely heroic because he
• 1:02:54
  screamed. Doctor Who care cheats death,
• 1:02:57
  Yeah, and all of that. But do you know what I love?
• 1:03:00
  This Being filled up with water. Yeah, this is such.
• 1:03:03
  A brilliant. It's so real, isn't it?
• 1:03:05
  Because actually you don't really get in terms of doctor
• 1:03:08
  you compared. I mean the nearest the last
• 1:03:10
  physical thing like this you had was probably Colin Baker in the
• 1:03:14
  end of trial of a terminal going in the mud.
• 1:03:16
  You know when they do sort of when it's sort of it's in that
• 1:03:18
  category, isn't it, When you're actually dunking people in
• 1:03:21
  things? But can.
• 1:03:23
  I make you. Seem to make a point about this
• 1:03:25
  right to me. I think it's brilliant.
• 1:03:27
  You know that people shouldn't extend their awareness and have
• 1:03:32
  shots of Doctor Who drowning. We're doing it again, aren't we?
• 1:03:36
  We're doing it again. Oh, that was amazing.
• 1:03:40
  That episode, we had Nicholas Courtney join the action.
• 1:03:43
  We had Jean Marsh join the action where Sophie Aldrin
• 1:03:46
  nearly drowned. Sorry.
• 1:03:47
  That's not why. But I mean.
• 1:03:51
  There's only one thing I'd I'd say as a criticism not enough
• 1:03:54
  Angela Bruce. Not there's actually know what
• 1:03:57
  this imagine if this was a six parter and you all those
• 1:04:00
  characters have got a bit more time.
• 1:04:01
  For it, Well, it's got to be a three.
• 1:04:03
  Part. I mean, I know I've just
• 1:04:04
  complained about Nicholas Courtney taking two episodes in
• 1:04:06
  a helicopter. You probably have three
• 1:04:08
  episodes. If he stopped off at a briefing
• 1:04:11
  we could Caitlyn through Stewart.
• 1:04:13
  We could have had. No, we could.
• 1:04:15
  Have met Shao Young's family. Sharon's family, we could have
• 1:04:17
  had a bit more Doris. If it was, if it were rushing
• 1:04:19
  dates as time. Doris's family true.
• 1:04:21
  We would have met Missus Young by now, and she'd be well.
• 1:04:24
  She'd be in the TARDIS. Family would be there, yeah.
• 1:04:28
  Do you know what can I just say? You know, they say if you say it
• 1:04:30
  three times then a big finish spin off emerges.
• 1:04:33
  Here we go. The Adventures of Shao Young.
• 1:04:35
  Yes. Please.
• 1:04:37
  I think she's so fun. Oh yeah.
• 1:04:43
  The. Hamster with a blunt pen knife
• 1:05:17
  for doing quicker. Quicker Welcome back to
• 1:05:24
  Harvester with a Blunt Penknife, the Doctor Who Coventry Podcast.
• 1:05:28
  Dodger and Coke, Pat. Anything with the beer?
• 1:05:33
  I am here today with Mr. Mark Rawlings.
• 1:05:36
  Mark, I've got a question for you about your own podcast to
• 1:05:39
  watch. Who?
• 1:05:40
  Of course, yes. Well, I mean, every single time
• 1:05:43
  you come in here, I ask him for a little update about what
• 1:05:45
  you've been up to lately in your podcast.
• 1:05:47
  Oh yeah, we're on season 14 at the moment.
• 1:05:49
  Is it going down well? It's all right.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, I seem to recall Miss Sarah Chew was not keen on the
• 1:05:54
  mask of Bandragra. No.
• 1:05:56
  Well, neither of us were on that one.
• 1:05:57
  She was not keen on the face of evil.
• 1:06:00
  Nervous. That one, really.
• 1:06:01
  Are you a Doctor Who fan at all? Just getting into that, Leela's
• 1:06:06
  just come into it. So it's fun talking about a new
• 1:06:09
  companion. We had Sarah Jane for so long
• 1:06:11
  and I think Leela is going to be very because Sarah's not seen
• 1:06:15
  any, you know, any of the show before.
• 1:06:17
  So seeing her react to what Lila's doing, I think it's going
• 1:06:20
  to be very interesting. Dipping your tones into the
• 1:06:22
  talons of Wen Chiang. Very soon, yeah.
• 1:06:25
  In. Fact, you're you're whoring
• 1:06:27
  yourself out on two podcasts to do that, aren't you?
• 1:06:29
  Yeah, you're doing it for this thing as well.
• 1:06:31
  At once, Yeah, I know. Grief.
• 1:06:34
  You're obsessed, man. Well, we're here today to watch
• 1:06:38
  Episode 3 of Battlefield is Does this suffer from the usual
• 1:06:44
  Episode 3 lag or? I think there's some great stuff
• 1:06:47
  in there, no? There isn't it?
• 1:06:48
  Never. It doesn't have that lag at all.
• 1:06:50
  No, does. Isn't the one where Angela Bruce
• 1:06:52
  has a machine gun when she's coming out the top of the deck
• 1:06:54
  chair? I think it starts in in part
• 1:06:57
  three we get some of that don't. Worry.
• 1:06:59
  They think she's dead, don't they?
• 1:07:00
  Oh my God. It's got the stone circle
• 1:07:03
  scenes. It's.
• 1:07:03
  Got everything in it. What do you call me?
• 1:07:05
  Brilliant, you didn't you call me stupid?
• 1:07:09
  I'm not a freak. What?
• 1:07:13
  Can we do the whole thing? Oh my God, yeah.
• 1:07:16
  That's. So much fun.
• 1:07:17
  And yeah, I'm still really enjoying it.
• 1:07:20
  Still it's it's just the pace of this doesn't slow down.
• 1:07:26
  I think that's why I like it. I I think it's stuff like okay,
• 1:07:31
  Happiness Patrol or something. I know, I know.
• 1:07:34
  Gregory's favorite? Loads of people love happiness
• 1:07:36
  draw. I just find it a bit, some of it
• 1:07:39
  a bit dull and slow. I don't know if it's in the.
• 1:07:42
  Studio Candy Man's the best thing about it.
• 1:07:44
  What time do you call I? Just, I don't know it.
• 1:07:47
  It doesn't have the pace of of these later stories.
• 1:07:51
  Oh, well, now you've torn into other Hamster contributors.
• 1:07:55
  Shall we go into Episode 3? It's Mark Whitmanis his
• 1:07:57
  favorite. Yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Well, yeah, Have people have a have a proper fight over trying
• 1:08:02
  to. Do that.
• 1:08:02
  Why do people love fappers Patron so much?
• 1:08:04
  Battlefield is where it's at, everyone.
• 1:08:06
  Battlefield is where the fun is at.
• 1:08:08
  I think that is a singularly market audience opinion.
• 1:08:12
  Do you know? Shall we watch Episode 3?
• 1:08:14
  Yes, I'll. Tell you then you're on the
• 1:08:16
  remote there we. Go Where is it?
• 1:08:18
  OK. The dongle, Whatever you happen
• 1:08:21
  to call your your debris. What's another name for a
• 1:08:24
  remote? I don't know.
• 1:08:27
  Here we go. Here we are.
• 1:08:28
  We're in the lovely purple vortex.
• 1:08:32
  Yeah, you know, when he says a piece of chalk.
• 1:08:35
  Don't worry, I got it on the dartboard.
• 1:08:38
  What does that mean? He.
• 1:08:39
  Got it from the dartboard in the pub.
• 1:08:42
  Oh, I thought it was like a magical dartboard he was talking
• 1:08:45
  about. Oh, he got it from inside the
• 1:08:49
  pub. Yeah, for.
• 1:08:50
  God sakes. Oh, Sophie Aldridge.
• 1:08:57
  Sophie Aldridge, Book from the 90s.
• 1:08:59
  Ace The Inside Story. Do you know what?
• 1:09:02
  That is actually the best thing she's ever put out.
• 1:09:04
  It's brilliant. All about her time, all her
• 1:09:05
  purse. It's her and Mike Tucker.
• 1:09:07
  The special future is. Great chapter each on all of her
• 1:09:10
  stories. And it's it's mainly, I mean,
• 1:09:14
  the text is quite large and quite.
• 1:09:15
  She didn't actually write tons, but there's brilliant photos of
• 1:09:19
  her time in it and recollections.
• 1:09:21
  Well, I'd rather read that than Andrew Carmel script, Doctor.
• 1:09:24
  I threw that across the wall. I tell you, Oh no.
• 1:09:27
  And here we are. Ace of Glass is about to it's.
• 1:09:31
  About I think. I think given the fact that it
• 1:09:33
  all went horribly. Wrong.
• 1:09:33
  I mean, that is a lot of water to go all over the floor.
• 1:09:36
  There's wires all over the floor.
• 1:09:38
  Everyone was jumping up on the chairs.
• 1:09:41
  Even Sylvester McCoy standing there in the middle of the road.
• 1:09:45
  Somebody let me out. I.
• 1:09:48
  Don't want. To be going to an alternative
• 1:09:50
  reality where everyone got electrocuted on battlefield and
• 1:09:53
  Doctor Who was cancelled, never happened again.
• 1:09:56
  I mean seen. In Dalek, where he electrocutes
• 1:09:59
  everybody with the water, it'd be like that, wouldn't it?
• 1:10:02
  Like that from the old crew cast and crew battlefield.
• 1:10:04
  Imagine somebody had died, I think.
• 1:10:07
  We would have been denied all those big finished performances
• 1:10:09
  from Sophie Aldrin. Boy, you never would have seen
• 1:10:12
  him on that screen in Brentwood. Cinema Where it?
• 1:10:15
  Was no BBV no my God ohh God honestly.
• 1:10:21
  The delights we would have missed out.
• 1:10:22
  I mean, obviously we are pleased they're still.
• 1:10:24
  Alive. The last of that episode of
• 1:10:26
  Doctor Who would have been What's the last of 25?
• 1:10:29
  Greatest Show in the Galaxy? Greatest Show in the Galaxy?
• 1:10:31
  The last line would have been I always found clowns, I bet.
• 1:10:35
  Why do I give? Him a loose.
• 1:10:38
  Oh, do you like Ace coming out the water now?
• 1:10:40
  It's a It's a brilliant moment, isn't it?
• 1:10:42
  It's a. Perfect bit wonky though.
• 1:10:44
  That's a bit. Try holding a sword underwater,
• 1:10:49
  though, I think she does a good. Job doing our own thing, Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  Going underwater and knowing which way is up and actually
• 1:10:55
  fought sophildre to go in there and do it.
• 1:10:57
  Can I just say as well, apparently there were rats all
• 1:10:59
  in that water, so for her to go in there and do that, that is
• 1:11:02
  props to her. Oh, make a horse sick, that
• 1:11:06
  would. Winifred, look at her.
• 1:11:13
  I feel like every single shot. Marcus Gilbert knows exactly
• 1:11:17
  where the camera is. He's.
• 1:11:20
  Great. Is he in that episode of
• 1:11:22
  Jonathan Creek? Yeah, he's a naturist.
• 1:11:24
  Yeah, that's. The only other thing I've seen
• 1:11:25
  them in. Wonder.
• 1:11:26
  You remember that it's cut. It's touch her out for the
• 1:11:29
  Elfing. You don't see it.
• 1:11:32
  They put like teapots and cups in front of it.
• 1:11:34
  Really well done. Oh.
• 1:11:37
  Hang on, there's a little bit of the info text here, so.
• 1:11:40
  I'm so glad you put this on. Oh, let's show you.
• 1:11:43
  But again, she hasn't. Actually, she's already out of
• 1:11:45
  the story. Unfortunately, I'm a Rover
• 1:11:47
  reaching again. She's already out of the story.
• 1:11:49
  Do you think this has too many characters?
• 1:11:52
  Yeah, I think, yeah. And then they have to get rid of
• 1:11:54
  loads of them and everyone just disappears when they go off in a
• 1:11:57
  unit truck, they. Will.
• 1:11:58
  Just get carted off and you don't get a proper.
• 1:12:00
  Recorded clouded around this set.
• 1:12:02
  It's a great part, I think. It's a bit little bit too much,
• 1:12:04
  but. He loves getting his ass in the
• 1:12:06
  air though, doesn't he? Do you remember in Survival when
• 1:12:10
  he's hanging off that sofa and his butt is in the air?
• 1:12:13
  Trust you to remember all these. It's like being in a case order,
• 1:12:17
  honestly. You see this thing that the
• 1:12:19
  Brigadier steps on? It's like a hexagonally
• 1:12:22
  triangly. I do.
• 1:12:23
  See it? Yes, I do.
• 1:12:24
  Props watch. I don't know this is a fact.
• 1:12:27
  What do you? Think it is.
• 1:12:28
  Isn't did that used to be on the old TARDIS console?
• 1:12:31
  What was seaweed covered off? It not the.
• 1:12:33
  Seaweed bit just the hexagonal bit.
• 1:12:35
  The Season 18 Console 19. Clayton Hickman, because he's
• 1:12:43
  he's done lots of TARDIS work, isn't he?
• 1:12:44
  I don't know. I might not be on the TARDIS,
• 1:12:46
  but I feel like I've seen that the hexagon thing and they've
• 1:12:50
  added a bit of seaweed to it for this time.
• 1:12:52
  Oh, June Bland. Oh, come quickly, Patrick.
• 1:12:55
  What do you think? Of my active.
• 1:13:00
  She's great though, isn't she? She's utterly convincing.
• 1:13:03
  She's brilliant in this. Oh my God, Winifred is so good.
• 1:13:10
  Is she very respectful of the Brigadier when he comes out?
• 1:13:13
  Yeah, well, they don't get that much time together.
• 1:13:17
  You love the fact that he knows it's the Doctor straight away
• 1:13:21
  because he's also in the air and he's in a lot of trouble.
• 1:13:23
  Who else would it be? Oh.
• 1:13:27
  My gosh. Jean Marsh staring off the
• 1:13:30
  camera. Is that a wig she's wearing, do
• 1:13:34
  you think? I think so, yes.
• 1:13:36
  And a very cheap crown. I think you can buy those in
• 1:13:40
  Poundland, you know, at the right time of the year.
• 1:13:43
  It's a great outfit if you enter a Doctor Who themed Halloween
• 1:13:46
  party. Did you hear the story she had
• 1:13:48
  about her crystal ball? Yeah, it's really great.
• 1:13:51
  So apparently, you know those awful white fit light fittings
• 1:13:55
  that she's got the white ones from Next that she actually has
• 1:13:57
  as a crystal ball. That was the prop for the
• 1:14:00
  rehearsals. And then she thought she was
• 1:14:02
  going to get a real crystal ball.
• 1:14:05
  And then when she didn't get one, she does this.
• 1:14:07
  She does this voice and goes. But I really wanted my crystal.
• 1:14:11
  Ball. G marsh is great.
• 1:14:15
  This whole scene this is actually probably my favorite
• 1:14:17
  scene in battlefield in this where she gets her sight back
• 1:14:25
  and then we have what's the name of this unit Lady Lavelle.
• 1:14:28
  Lavelle. And went the demise of Lavelle.
• 1:14:32
  It's just. Actually, you know you're right
• 1:14:35
  about the Episode 3, because it's lots of character scenes,
• 1:14:37
  and that's something that Cartmail really brought into
• 1:14:40
  Doctor. Lots of character work.
• 1:14:42
  But you've had all of this builder, you had all these
• 1:14:44
  different piece people sort of very separately to begin with,
• 1:14:48
  and they're all slowly merging and crossing over now by Part 3.
• 1:14:51
  But then you're right in episode 4.
• 1:14:53
  And then shift. Out a load of he's like, shit.
• 1:14:55
  I just need to get to the end now and all these people are now
• 1:14:57
  superfluous. How would Soward?
• 1:14:58
  Let's just all go. How would Soward do it?
• 1:15:00
  They'd all die killed. They'd all get.
• 1:15:02
  Killed. There'd be a massacre behind the
• 1:15:04
  bar. If it was Eric Saywood, they'd
• 1:15:06
  all get mowed down. Come quickly, Patrick.
• 1:15:10
  What I love right? Are you Right?
• 1:15:13
  I'm? Having a lot of Arthur's Ale.
• 1:15:16
  You're getting emotional. You're getting emotional over
• 1:15:20
  Battlefield. What I love is that she kills
• 1:15:24
  her and I like that. I don't love the fact she kills
• 1:15:26
  her. Sorry is the fact that she kills
• 1:15:28
  her and she screams rid off and that and she's all very calm
• 1:15:31
  about it. Then she just turns around and
• 1:15:32
  goes. I might get the tab.
• 1:15:35
  Yeah, but you go from moments to moments to like that.
• 1:15:38
  That's. How does she know the line about
• 1:15:40
  getting the tab? Because Lavelle's just said it,
• 1:15:42
  and she's taken out all the contents of her.
• 1:15:43
  Brain and it's. Great.
• 1:15:46
  Oh, that's horrific, isn't it? I can see, Joe, I can see.
• 1:15:57
  The actress who played Lavelle. I don't know if you just saw
• 1:15:59
  that on the info text, but I'm going to point out that she, her
• 1:16:03
  partner, was in fact a famous composer.
• 1:16:06
  Yeah, yeah. Oh look at this.
• 1:16:11
  A special effect when she gets merged into the she's just
• 1:16:14
  ashes. That's brilliant.
• 1:16:16
  And then yeah, and get the tab. See that it is.
• 1:16:19
  So I must get the tab. It it means she's not just a one
• 1:16:26
  note villain. She's capable of mercy.
• 1:16:29
  She's capable of generosity and she's also a hard ass bitch and
• 1:16:33
  she'll send her army. After you too.
• 1:16:35
  Oh, she's. She's magic.
• 1:16:39
  But you know what? If she was being played by a
• 1:16:41
  terrible actress, it would just all sink, wouldn't it?
• 1:16:43
  Oh, if she wasn't as compelling as she is.
• 1:16:47
  I think the only other person you know you could get June
• 1:16:49
  Bland, could play more game. You could have it the other way
• 1:16:52
  around and it would work just as.
• 1:16:54
  Well, barrel read. Barrel readers More game not.
• 1:16:58
  Come on, my son. Waiting for me?
• 1:17:05
  No, I don't know. Come on, Mark, It looks like we
• 1:17:08
  get the deck chair. Oh, I love this.
• 1:17:13
  And you know the music in a minute goes.
• 1:17:18
  I love Kev Mccall's music so disco.
• 1:17:23
  And you've got this relationship between ants, not Ansley Ansler.
• 1:17:29
  To get fucking on this pair. Bambera That's a great duo,
• 1:17:34
  isn't it? Or Double Axe.
• 1:17:35
  Because then it leads to the bit where Ansley thinks she's dead
• 1:17:38
  in the last episode and then goes after Mordred, doesn't he?
• 1:17:43
  And here we are, another battle seat to get more sparklers,
• 1:17:46
  unfortunately. Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced
• 1:17:50
  because there's just a bit of smoke and they think they're
• 1:17:51
  dead. I think maybe.
• 1:17:53
  If it was a bit lower light, it wasn't like middle of the
• 1:17:55
  afternoon sunny I. Think maybe that's a.
• 1:17:58
  Bit darker and a bit more. Yeah, I know.
• 1:18:00
  But maybe. Couldn't they just put that day
• 1:18:02
  for night feel right? Yeah, maybe a bit of day for
• 1:18:04
  night would have helped. Like all this shooting in the
• 1:18:06
  car though. Yeah, it was quite.
• 1:18:08
  Dynamic. Isn't it taking ages?
• 1:18:11
  Yeah, don't want to Brigadier people be sure now too soon.
• 1:18:20
  Also, I'm doing all the music now and.
• 1:18:21
  I'm not sure about, yeah, all these soldiers.
• 1:18:26
  What? They're spark guns.
• 1:18:27
  I don't know. I'd love a spark gun, you know?
• 1:18:30
  Trouble is, you went into the tower, one of those, and started
• 1:18:33
  firing it. You'd get.
• 1:18:34
  You know. Back in the 80s, you could get
• 1:18:38
  away with that sort of thing, you know?
• 1:18:42
  Look, can I saw the info text? I'll talk about the info text.
• 1:18:45
  Aronovich, that's how you say his name, by the way, did
• 1:18:48
  everything with an eye for affordability.
• 1:18:51
  Are you kidding me? I think this was a bit
• 1:18:53
  ambitious. Well, I think it always would go
• 1:18:55
  through a a script editor or something to see what was
• 1:18:57
  affordable or not. Do you?
• 1:18:59
  Think it would be as exciting if it was called Storm Over a
• 1:19:02
  Valley on. Probably not.
• 1:19:06
  Oh, I love this. Stop Merlin.
• 1:19:08
  No, I will deal with him my own. I mean people both will just
• 1:19:14
  watch the thing. It's me quoting.
• 1:19:16
  All the way through. The audio drama.
• 1:19:18
  But you know, they did a lot of this sort of relationship stuff
• 1:19:21
  in in Cartmell's time, didn't they?
• 1:19:23
  They had Ace and Soren. They had Ace and Mike, They had
• 1:19:27
  Ace and Cara. True.
• 1:19:29
  That was suggesting a little bit of lesbianism is that he's
• 1:19:32
  bisexual. I'm sure in the new adventures
• 1:19:37
  she is. Imagine how that would be for
• 1:19:39
  representation if AIS and Xiao Yung were in a relationship
• 1:19:42
  together. That would be amazing.
• 1:19:46
  Brigadier still hasn't done much fighting, is it?
• 1:19:47
  Oh, that's why they're waiting for his big climactic moment
• 1:19:50
  with the Destroyer. Yeah that's a you do bring the
• 1:19:53
  Brigadier in and again not he doesn't do that much until right
• 1:19:57
  at the end and he is pivot towards the end but he's so it's
• 1:20:01
  it feels like he's hanging around waiting for that moment.
• 1:20:03
  I don't know if you know this, but every time they raise their
• 1:20:05
  guns, the music goes off. So Bambera just asked Anseline
• 1:20:12
  if he's married. So is that another way of
• 1:20:15
  saying, are we fucking tonight? I thought they already did the
• 1:20:19
  night before in the pub. Oh, that's right.
• 1:20:21
  Yeah, they were sleeping it off one day afterwards.
• 1:20:24
  Yeah, Ice is not happy with the Brigadier because he's treating
• 1:20:29
  her just like any other assistant and she thinks she's a
• 1:20:31
  bit special, didn't she? It's that.
• 1:20:35
  It's that, yeah, the childish bit of Ace.
• 1:20:38
  You know what? I can't notice that Xiao Yung
• 1:20:40
  has not done much for a little while.
• 1:20:42
  That's. The thing But there's so and
• 1:20:43
  here we are, we're cutting out. She can do it herself because,
• 1:20:49
  forgive me, half an hour ago. She was blind.
• 1:20:57
  What? Do you think about the Doctor
• 1:20:58
  having these magical powers in a minute?
• 1:20:59
  Of course. You want to leave that you know.
• 1:21:02
  Doesn't he do that in that edited scene from Silver Nemesis
• 1:21:05
  on the stairs with the people in Windsor Castle?
• 1:21:07
  Doesn't he? He does that.
• 1:21:09
  He also says one finger can be a deadly weapon.
• 1:21:12
  So it is implied that this doctor has these these hypnotic
• 1:21:16
  abilities. That's true.
• 1:21:17
  Can I ask you a question? Do you think one finger can be a
• 1:21:20
  deadly weapon? Absolutely.
• 1:21:21
  What are you talking about there?
• 1:21:29
  See, Pierre Wolsey really hasn't done anything at all, has he?
• 1:21:32
  Well. Not now.
• 1:21:33
  His bit's over now because they've done the archaeological
• 1:21:35
  bit and the dig and all what we needed to do there.
• 1:21:38
  So what else can they do? They're not going to be part of
• 1:21:41
  the battle, all the sci-fi stuff.
• 1:21:43
  So. So everyone has to go and.
• 1:21:45
  But is there a is there a a more subtler way of writing them out
• 1:21:49
  than just having them all go and often?
• 1:21:50
  Evacuated in the area? I don't think so, unless, like
• 1:21:53
  you say you sword kill them. Oh, that's true.
• 1:21:56
  Oh look, the info take just said that about.
• 1:21:58
  So whatever. System is spectacles.
• 1:21:59
  Oh, there. We go.
• 1:22:00
  You well, believe me, you will not move.
• 1:22:02
  You will move. Oh.
• 1:22:06
  Dear There's a lot of extra unit extras as well in this.
• 1:22:10
  Do you like the continuity reference here?
• 1:22:11
  You know, talking about the weapons for Cybermen and Yetis
• 1:22:14
  and Daleks. It's not pivotal stuff, is it?
• 1:22:17
  You can, It's just nice extra bits and pieces.
• 1:22:20
  You know, I think there's a big difference between the
• 1:22:23
  continuity and the Cartmel era and the continuity in the Sword
• 1:22:26
  era. In a sword era, it's like
• 1:22:28
  continuity porn. There's a big bully.
• 1:22:31
  Anyway, look at the size of that one.
• 1:22:33
  Very impressive, I must say. Go through a dialect.
• 1:22:37
  Go for anyone, wouldn't it? But the continuity in the Carmel
• 1:22:44
  era, I feel like it's always story first.
• 1:22:50
  The story is more important than the continuity.
• 1:22:51
  I think in the 80s, the mid 80s, the continuity sometimes comes
• 1:22:56
  first before the story. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:22:59
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  And that's why this feels a bit more fresher this this time in
• 1:23:03
  the show. See.
• 1:23:03
  I'm not sure. Oh wait, no.
• 1:23:05
  I don't know why Shaw Young's hanging around.
• 1:23:07
  She's got, she's. Got a set piece isn't.
• 1:23:09
  She yeah, she needs to hang around.
• 1:23:10
  What'd you call me? I'm not a freak.
• 1:23:15
  What? I mean, that dialogue is out of
• 1:23:17
  this world. Does he say seabird now?
• 1:23:23
  Oh, maybe he does say seabird, and that's why Bambera's Big
• 1:23:27
  Finish Box set is called. Hi, yeah, lots of hot soldiers
• 1:23:31
  in this season, isn't there? This anchor is a fabric.
• 1:23:37
  You see this photo I I always this line up with the Brigadier
• 1:23:40
  and everyone. They're looking at the map
• 1:23:42
  whenever I thought that he was holding the script.
• 1:23:45
  No, no, it's clearly about. The map, I thought.
• 1:23:47
  I always thought it was a rehearsal shot when I saw that
• 1:23:49
  steal of that. It's a bit there, so.
• 1:23:52
  It's literally just been saying about continuing.
• 1:23:54
  Yeah, exactly. We've had, we've had the talk.
• 1:23:57
  About Yeti Alton's Dale excitement Solarians, Silerians
• 1:24:01
  and now Bessie, Is it a bit much?
• 1:24:06
  Oh no it's not. She says.
• 1:24:08
  What does it run on? Petrol or steam?
• 1:24:11
  It's nice. It's nice to see Bessie, I
• 1:24:13
  think. Did you just yawn during
• 1:24:14
  Battlefield? No.
• 1:24:17
  I think you did you. Though.
• 1:24:20
  Oh, this is great. And now he says to her, what a
• 1:24:22
  3rd art thou betrothed. All right, look, it's listening.
• 1:24:28
  All of Gilbert's Road here. Robin of Sherwood Army of
• 1:24:31
  Darkness. Where was the documentary maker?
• 1:24:33
  He later produced films about his mountain climbing
• 1:24:36
  expeditions. This priority is not flogging
• 1:24:38
  those at the phantom events. Maybe that's where he hurt his
• 1:24:40
  hand and. When he took up being a
• 1:24:42
  naturist, do you think they would have had this director
• 1:24:50
  back Michael Kerrigan again? I think so.
• 1:24:53
  Because he, I mean, I'm sure he came in, you know, budget wise
• 1:24:57
  and getting all of this done, there's so much action in this
• 1:24:59
  to direct. Did you hear the terrible story
• 1:25:02
  about Michael Kerrigan saying, oh, this isn't Doctor Who is
• 1:25:05
  best, and they're not the best Doctor and assistant, so let's
• 1:25:07
  just knock it out. When do you say that?
• 1:25:09
  Oh, so haven't told me. I can't tell you who is somebody
• 1:25:13
  who's connected to the program. Apparently he was.
• 1:25:16
  He was scathing. I still think he he.
• 1:25:19
  Tried jobs. Yeah, apparently it was there.
• 1:25:22
  It was a bit like Graham Harper, always about lots of energy, you
• 1:25:25
  know, that's. What you need, yeah.
• 1:25:26
  Yeah. Oh, look at the Wayne McCoy
• 1:25:28
  touches her nose. Where do you, sorry go?
• 1:25:33
  On Well, no. I was going to say it's a bit
• 1:25:34
  early. The whole circle, the chalk
• 1:25:38
  circle, protection, everything. Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Have you seen The Hammer? The Devil Ride Rides Out film?
• 1:25:44
  Because that's exactly what they do.
• 1:25:47
  I don't know if that's from. It's not from a book, it's not
• 1:25:49
  from a thing. It's it's been done before
• 1:25:52
  basically in lots of other similar things because that's
• 1:25:55
  Christopher Lee and they, I can't remember the devil's
• 1:26:00
  coming after them. Whatever, said the demons, he's
• 1:26:02
  like right chalk circle. We have to stay in the circle
• 1:26:05
  all night and then it sends demons and a big spider and
• 1:26:08
  stuff to try and lure them out of the circle for protection.
• 1:26:11
  So it's not like an original concept, but it's great.
• 1:26:14
  It's Doctor Who's take on it. Fun take on it.
• 1:26:18
  Look, I can't just say you know, more game as a great villain
• 1:26:20
  when she looks straight to camera and goes if you live.
• 1:26:25
  Although did you just see a minute ago, Bessie riding off
• 1:26:28
  with flames? I know that's a little bit over
• 1:26:30
  the top. And then she goes, wicked.
• 1:26:32
  It's like, Oh dear God, that's when everyone turned over to
• 1:26:35
  Cory, you know? Oh, and here's a first glimpse
• 1:26:39
  of the Destroyer. Is this the best designed
• 1:26:42
  monster? Absolutely.
• 1:26:45
  But in this again, in this, in Season 20, you got the
• 1:26:48
  Destroyer, you got the Hemovores.
• 1:26:50
  OK, let's forget the cheater people.
• 1:26:52
  You've got the Husk. OK, let's forget you've got the
• 1:26:56
  Destroyer and the Hemovores. They're brilliant.
• 1:26:58
  They're getting really great with the.
• 1:27:01
  I look at, you know that's with the big.
• 1:27:03
  Eyes, I think. Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  The big bark that looks a bit like me in the mornings.
• 1:27:07
  What? Sorry Conan, you're going to say
• 1:27:09
  but you. I don't know, maybe it's are the
• 1:27:12
  materials and things getting easier to use or cheaper, or are
• 1:27:15
  they getting different kinds of things to make stuff because
• 1:27:19
  it's such a level up? I mean, actually, no, it started
• 1:27:21
  with the Candyman. Really.
• 1:27:23
  Candyman's great. Yeah.
• 1:27:25
  The Ted traps. I.
• 1:27:26
  Was going to say Ted Traps, OK, but can you think of what you
• 1:27:30
  know? It's a far leap from.
• 1:27:32
  The verb voice. Oh, what about the lucosa?
• 1:27:36
  Yeah, I mean, yeah, towards those last few years, they get
• 1:27:39
  in there, aren't they, with the and I think it's just more
• 1:27:41
  achievable to do those things. Maybe the last really bad sort
• 1:27:44
  of design was those two. Doctor Santorin's.
• 1:27:47
  Oh. I quite like that as well.
• 1:27:49
  But yeah, they're nothing compared to the Destroyer.
• 1:27:51
  Oh. God, here we go, here we go,
• 1:27:52
  here we go. But.
• 1:27:53
  What did you call me? Just you death or what?
• 1:27:58
  No, you didn't. I heard you.
• 1:27:59
  You call me stupid, I'm not a freak.
• 1:28:03
  What? Oh Mace, are you dumb or what?
• 1:28:07
  I don't think this is it's but it's interesting isn't it?
• 1:28:11
  Because Morgan is making her behave in a racist way and Ace
• 1:28:15
  is so anti racist because she's got this running thread doesn't
• 1:28:19
  she this season about her friend?
• 1:28:21
  Is it Manisha? Yeah.
• 1:28:24
  And I think, yeah, you can. Yeah, you can get.
• 1:28:28
  There's so many different layers to this because actually as a as
• 1:28:31
  a child watching this. Sorry, it's just literally
• 1:28:34
  saying about the Devils Rise out.
• 1:28:36
  As as you know, you're watching this as a child, some of that
• 1:28:38
  probably doesn't go into your head or you know it's it's a
• 1:28:42
  scary situation. You know that there's something
• 1:28:44
  manipulating them but then you've got these other layers
• 1:28:47
  like you say like race and aces behaviour and Aces history and
• 1:28:51
  everything under there as well. So it yeah, it can work on lots
• 1:28:56
  of layers and I think that's really great.
• 1:29:00
  And the Destroyer. Because I, you know, you've got.
• 1:29:02
  If you wouldn't, I'm just comparing something like the 70s
• 1:29:05
  or whatever, and you've got Joe Grant.
• 1:29:06
  She'd just be in the circle going, no, I can't take it.
• 1:29:09
  You know, I don't think you have those layers.
• 1:29:12
  Nominal. I'm just saying something in
• 1:29:13
  like the 70s or you just wouldn't have those layers of.
• 1:29:18
  I hate to interrupt you, but I just disco music over all the
• 1:29:22
  fights. It's very strange, isn't it?
• 1:29:25
  Isn't it? Because there's all this dry
• 1:29:26
  ice, corpses, people bouncing off trampolines.
• 1:29:30
  But it's. The 80s, Isn't it everything?
• 1:29:31
  Marigold going. Oh, not Marigold.
• 1:29:33
  Sorry. Keith McCullough, going.
• 1:29:35
  It's. Yeah, it's.
• 1:29:40
  Do you rate Sylvester McCoy here, where he screams he's
• 1:29:43
  lying about There will be no battlefield.
• 1:29:46
  There will be no. Battle.
• 1:29:48
  Hell yeah. Wow.
• 1:29:50
  If if McCoy doesn't fetch you, pop his cocks.
• 1:29:54
  Big Finish can call you up, can't they?
• 1:29:57
  Oh, I love this bit. But you can't hate each other.
• 1:29:59
  You can't have, you know, Knights of the Round Table and
• 1:30:02
  all this stuff without a big battle, can you?
• 1:30:05
  No, but the problem with this scene is, and I hate to go
• 1:30:08
  Aronovich on you now, that is a thing.
• 1:30:10
  It's not true is that this would work.
• 1:30:14
  The scale of Mccoy's performance would work if we were seeing a
• 1:30:18
  Game of Thrones style, 100,000 people on this battlefield and
• 1:30:22
  he's screaming his head off. But unfortunately we're in a
• 1:30:24
  boggy field in Surrey with five extras and it just seems a bit
• 1:30:29
  over the. Top that shot where he's
• 1:30:31
  breaking them up. There's no one else around?
• 1:30:33
  No, it's very tight. It's I reckon it's a Sunday
• 1:30:36
  morning or something. You know, we've got up the local
• 1:30:39
  park and said right time to shoot.
• 1:30:41
  Oh, here we go. I am more gain of the Fay.
• 1:30:47
  Can I ask you a question about the Destroyer?
• 1:30:50
  Well, you know the scene in the next episode where he tears his
• 1:30:52
  chainmail and exposes his hairy chest.
• 1:30:55
  Have you ever wanted to have sex with a doctor?
• 1:30:57
  Who? Oh my.
• 1:30:57
  God no. Let's change the subject.
• 1:31:00
  OK. And I love that the you're.
• 1:31:03
  Above that sort. Of thing where he's very he's
• 1:31:07
  got a wet mouth, hasn't he? It's all dripping.
• 1:31:12
  Don't you fucking tell me to change the subject.
• 1:31:14
  Yeah, that's the the level of detail where we're at with
• 1:31:17
  Doctor Who monsters now. That texture on the face, the
• 1:31:21
  way that the eyes, you know, like like Jon Pert, we love the
• 1:31:25
  Draconians. And you've got the the wet
• 1:31:28
  mouth. Can I just say as well, he is
• 1:31:33
  the most horniest Doctor Who monster of all time, isn't he?
• 1:31:36
  I mean, his horns are massive. No, it is.
• 1:31:39
  I mean. If you had this earlier, you're
• 1:31:40
  ridiculous. Mary Whitehouse would be.
• 1:31:43
  She'd be spinning in their grave, wouldn't she?
• 1:31:45
  She'd be frothing at the mouth if she.
• 1:31:47
  Saw that coughing at the mouth, wouldn't she?
• 1:31:49
  Red would be spinning around to. Me.
• 1:31:51
  It's ridiculous to show these enormous horns.
• 1:31:55
  And this creature opened his hairy chest.
• 1:32:00
  For a whole week. It's a great cliffhanger though,
• 1:32:06
  isn't it? It's so good.
• 1:32:08
  Like, I can't imagine some kid not watching this going.
• 1:32:10
  I really want. That turn up, yeah.
• 1:32:14
  But as well I think like I did mock.
• 1:32:15
  Some of the dialogue. Bit between aces show you and
• 1:32:17
  that, but for a kid that's kind of hard hitting, isn't it?
• 1:32:21
  Or for a kid. In the 80s?
• 1:32:23
  Maybe not now. Maybe for?
• 1:32:23
  Me in the. 90s it was. Yeah, but that's we're talking
• 1:32:26
  about that Bony, wiry Mark Warren, who's seven years old,
• 1:32:29
  aren't we? I think he was.
• 1:32:32
  He was an innocent young man. Well, let's get on to part 4.
• 1:32:37
  OK, see you later. The.
• 1:33:13
  A hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing.
• 1:33:15
  Quicker, quicker. Quicker and welcome back to a
• 1:33:22
  Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who audio commentary
• 1:33:28
  podcast. I sent a fucking quiz.
• 1:33:31
  Show I. Was trying.
• 1:33:33
  To do a. Cuddly toy.
• 1:33:37
  This is where people commentate on Doctor Who episodes.
• 1:33:41
  Can I tell you what? Right.
• 1:33:42
  There's someone at work. Yeah, who does?
• 1:33:45
  Tunnel is right and he goes on. Good evening, everybody.
• 1:33:48
  Well, let's see. It sounds.
• 1:33:50
  Like I don't. Know where that came from?
• 1:33:52
  Sorry, not change the subject. What we're here to talk about.
• 1:33:55
  We are currently watching Battlefield.
• 1:33:58
  Episode No Part. And we're on part 4.
• 1:34:01
  It's the riveting climax. It's.
• 1:34:04
  Gone very quick and last week we had the Destroyer ripping out is
• 1:34:08
  what? He hasn't actually ripped it out
• 1:34:09
  yet, is he? What?
• 1:34:14
  The Detroit has just here the right video about to rip his
• 1:34:17
  armour. He will be ripping his armour
• 1:34:19
  off very shortly everyone, so stay tuned.
• 1:34:21
  God and I've been drinking. Anything can happen.
• 1:34:25
  But we were saying last time, the Mary White House has been
• 1:34:28
  salivating for a week to find out what happens next.
• 1:34:30
  She's been very perturbed by the Destroyer's enormous horns.
• 1:34:34
  Yeah. And mark the BBC novel The
• 1:34:37
  Shadow of Avalon, Yes, which you could not find on the shelf.
• 1:34:42
  Yeah. Doctor book.
• 1:34:43
  It's a Doctor book. It's the same mythology.
• 1:34:45
  You know it's leaning into all of this.
• 1:34:47
  Does it directly reference Battlefield?
• 1:34:49
  That. Point of I think it takes a lot
• 1:34:51
  of the details, but it's not a sequel to this.
• 1:34:53
  OK. It's sort of set in the same
• 1:34:55
  world though. Yeah, it was quite heavily
• 1:34:57
  criticized, you know, I thought it was rather good.
• 1:34:59
  And I I'm a bit iffy with Cornell books.
• 1:35:01
  Have you read or do you know the target of Battlefield?
• 1:35:04
  The target book. It was Mark Platt.
• 1:35:07
  So I think he he added a lot of extra world building.
• 1:35:11
  I think Mr. Aronovich wanted to distance himself from this.
• 1:35:14
  He wasn't happy with it. Well, we all know he wasn't.
• 1:35:17
  And then he went and wrote Transit instead.
• 1:35:19
  Do you know what? Do you remember Transit?
• 1:35:21
  I didn't read transit. Sequence in transit where
• 1:35:23
  someone actually says I've still got the taste of semen in my
• 1:35:27
  mouth. I mean, what is up with the new
• 1:35:29
  adventures, honest to God? We haven't got any of that in
• 1:35:31
  Battlefield. Thankfully, no one.
• 1:35:34
  Tasted semen in battlefield? No, except Mary Whitehouse.
• 1:35:39
  Sorry. Anyway, let's get back on track,
• 1:35:41
  shall. We I wish to apologise to the
• 1:35:44
  family. Of Mary Whitehouse.
• 1:35:47
  Do you think a lot of people take her name in vain?
• 1:35:50
  Well, yeah. Excuse me, now you've got a book
• 1:35:52
  of Mary Whitehouse. I've got her book, yeah.
• 1:35:55
  Is it an autobiography? Sort of.
• 1:35:57
  It's about her work. Oh, excuse.
• 1:36:00
  Me, it's about her work and her life and everything and how she
• 1:36:05
  started all of the started all of the television, clean up
• 1:36:09
  television campaign and all of that stuff, is it.
• 1:36:11
  Interesting. What is.
• 1:36:13
  Well, the most interesting bit is where she lists all the bits
• 1:36:16
  of horrible TV that she's watched and what program or what
• 1:36:19
  happens. No, there's a lot of police
• 1:36:21
  dramas, a lot of this around the like The Sweeney and stuff.
• 1:36:24
  She's like this man, man gets stabbed here or you know, this
• 1:36:28
  prostitute does this and stuff. It's like, oh, Mary.
• 1:36:32
  I think she wasn't worried about Doctor Who anymore because no
• 1:36:35
  one was watching it, so there were no kids watching it.
• 1:36:38
  It is a shame. It is a shame.
• 1:36:40
  And Jen, we are kicking off the final season of the classic
• 1:36:42
  series here. Technically, it should have gone
• 1:36:45
  to the Dogs by this point. Oh, it's yeah, it's sad, isn't
• 1:36:49
  it? Well, I'll tell you what I don't
• 1:36:52
  know about you. Yeah.
• 1:36:53
  Yeah, I'm looking forward to our client.
• 1:36:56
  Let's go. 321 Let's get that. Going boom, boom, boom,
• 1:36:59
  everybody. I'm so sorry.
• 1:37:00
  I keep sniffing, but I sniffed a cat earlier.
• 1:37:04
  I sniffed a pussy. I.
• 1:37:05
  Think you're allergic? I.
• 1:37:06
  Think I'm allergic? To pussy I.
• 1:37:10
  Think we all knew that the slightest hint of danger my
• 1:37:15
  pussy's hair stands right on end.
• 1:37:17
  Oh. Here you are.
• 1:37:17
  So by episode 4, we're up up to 4 million viewers.
• 1:37:20
  Lottie outright, people are aware now.
• 1:37:23
  Oh, the BBC surveyed 392 people about Battlefield and Sylvester.
• 1:37:30
  Mccoy's doctor was popular. 78% found him likable.
• 1:37:35
  Why? There you go, More men than
• 1:37:39
  women liked it. Well, that's hardly a great
• 1:37:40
  surprise. Like Battlefield?
• 1:37:42
  Yeah, like the commentary. None of the men like that, did
• 1:37:45
  they? Right here we are the Destroyer.
• 1:37:50
  He's a hearing. And we're going to get all of
• 1:37:52
  Jean Marsh's best scenes in this episode and.
• 1:37:55
  This is still the pop set, isn't it?
• 1:37:56
  Just the lighting has just changed the whole vibe of the
• 1:37:59
  place. It's great.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah, Do you know they turn this whole set into rubble in a
• 1:38:03
  minute, don't they? Yeah, it just all goes up, yeah.
• 1:38:07
  Did you know, Mark? Comedy is very similar to drama.
• 1:38:10
  It's all a matter of. Time I have an ace.
• 1:38:15
  Up I sleep. Oh, I love that.
• 1:38:19
  The look of the Destroyer. I mean, it must have taken some
• 1:38:23
  work, right? And they do.
• 1:38:26
  But it's weird, you know, because he dropped into the
• 1:38:28
  story and then he just sort of goes after about 10.
• 1:38:31
  Minutes. I know what he's he's he can't.
• 1:38:35
  Yeah, he doesn't really do. A lot, you know, if he.
• 1:38:37
  Maybe that's why it's so effective.
• 1:38:39
  It's dark, It's lit. Well, he's only he's only you
• 1:38:43
  sparingly. Maybe that's how you do a
• 1:38:45
  monster. He just sort of stands around a
• 1:38:46
  bit. But nowadays he'd be up floating
• 1:38:48
  in the sky, electricity going all around the planet.
• 1:38:50
  You know, it'd be very epic, wouldn't it?
• 1:38:53
  Yeah, and you've got here we are.
• 1:38:57
  More games. Crystal ball.
• 1:38:59
  IKEA ball. So this is the line that you
• 1:39:03
  said wasn't in Battlefield McCoy, McCoy goes.
• 1:39:06
  Or I will decapitate you. I could.
• 1:39:10
  I've never noticed that before. And I thought when you said
• 1:39:12
  that, I was like, no, you wouldn't have the doctor saying
• 1:39:15
  he's going to decapitate. Someone that would never.
• 1:39:17
  Be in it. He sort of whispers it very low.
• 1:39:19
  It's not. See, look, it says on the
• 1:39:21
  Infotech, said McCoy felt the doctor was being affected by
• 1:39:24
  violence, like a virus or an illness.
• 1:39:26
  I don't think we're really seeing.
• 1:39:28
  No, that doesn't come across. I don't think the script really
• 1:39:31
  explicitly stays here. Maybe he's acting it, but I
• 1:39:34
  could never really tell when he's acting.
• 1:39:35
  It's a nice theme to it. Well, how?
• 1:39:37
  I don't know how intentional that was.
• 1:39:40
  I think Nicholas Corny was happy to leave.
• 1:39:42
  Was he? They said they wanted to kill
• 1:39:44
  him off and he was like, yeah, go on and do it.
• 1:39:46
  I'll fuck this. Part he's been.
• 1:39:47
  Away he was in Morton Undead. And then what was the last thing
• 1:39:50
  before that tear? The Zygons.
• 1:39:51
  It was a job that he did a long time ago.
• 1:39:53
  I know he's associated with it a lot, but I.
• 1:39:55
  Wonder. Actually, you know why they're
• 1:39:56
  backtracked? Why?
• 1:39:58
  Aronovich couldn't do it. He's like, couldn't kill him
• 1:40:00
  off. I wanted to, but I couldn't kill
• 1:40:02
  him off. This is great.
• 1:40:04
  Look, she's basically like die well by some.
• 1:40:07
  Yeah, because the battle is more important than, you know.
• 1:40:12
  Yeah, so this is. A great build up society.
• 1:40:14
  This is all great build up and then watch.
• 1:40:17
  When they when they start moving, the disco music starts
• 1:40:20
  again. Really.
• 1:40:21
  Yeah, you've got those, those sort of kicking drums, it's
• 1:40:24
  like, but at the time, would that have been because it was
• 1:40:29
  the 80s? I mean, now it's like someone's
• 1:40:31
  pressed demo on your toy keyboard.
• 1:40:34
  Did you not see that sequence in Rover sort of darlings where
• 1:40:36
  he's on his keyboard? It's literally that.
• 1:40:40
  But yeah, but at the time, were other shows having this similar
• 1:40:42
  economy or? Who's still having?
• 1:40:44
  Individual. Absolutely.
• 1:40:46
  Do you think you you go and watch some kids TV from around?
• 1:40:49
  This title that anyway so. You really too much.
• 1:40:51
  So, and you, if you watch it at the time, it wouldn't have stood
• 1:40:54
  out as much, did you just now it's just dated it.
• 1:40:57
  I think the music's dated more than anything on screen.
• 1:41:01
  And it makes you feel a bit cheaper than it actually is,
• 1:41:03
  which is astonishing given I think Dudley Simpson music made
• 1:41:07
  it, Doctor Who seem more expensive than it actually was.
• 1:41:10
  And nowadays they've got the, you know, the whole orchestra,
• 1:41:12
  haven't they? And the choir and that going
• 1:41:14
  crazy. But now we've gone the other
• 1:41:15
  way, a little bit too much. It's too much music because now
• 1:41:17
  it's been too over the top. Anyway, it's gonna start kind of
• 1:41:20
  about Marigold again. No, no, I thought.
• 1:41:22
  Second I canola I love. Second, I Canola's music.
• 1:41:28
  Yeah. Oh, this is great.
• 1:41:31
  Jean Marsh has to do. I'm trying to get into the force
• 1:41:34
  field. Yeah, very good.
• 1:41:35
  Her hands start shaking. She's really good.
• 1:41:38
  Yeah, Look at that. You.
• 1:41:41
  You can't see it, dear viewers, but we can.
• 1:41:44
  I love her fingernails. Oh, she would do a lovely back
• 1:41:48
  scratch, wouldn't she, with those.
• 1:41:49
  Oh, a bit dirty though, wouldn't they?
• 1:41:51
  You might get a bit of flaky skin all over your back, but
• 1:41:53
  it'd be worth it. Sorry.
• 1:41:55
  I'll go and call Jean Marsh up right now and get her to scratch
• 1:41:58
  her. I.
• 1:41:58
  Don't think she's with us anymore.
• 1:42:00
  She is. Is she?
• 1:42:01
  Yes. Why is she doing a big finish
• 1:42:03
  then? Because she's not very well.
• 1:42:04
  I don't think she's a bit past doing any acting now.
• 1:42:07
  I think she's retired, but she's still alive.
• 1:42:09
  She's still alive. Oh, and may I say Marek Anton is
• 1:42:13
  given a proper performance inside that costume.
• 1:42:16
  But you can, because you can. The mouth moves and the because
• 1:42:20
  the mask is so well made, you can do that performance, you
• 1:42:25
  know, and there's all the electronic stuff on the lip the
• 1:42:27
  making the lips move. You know, you're the bit where
• 1:42:31
  he starts burying his teeth and starts dribbling.
• 1:42:33
  Has anything made you dribble like that before?
• 1:42:36
  No. I saw a program earlier called
• 1:42:38
  What was it called? The Baking program.
• 1:42:39
  Oh. Is it impossible?
• 1:42:42
  Baseball. Bacon.
• 1:42:43
  Yeah, they're doing these fabulous cakes.
• 1:42:45
  I was dribbling like that watching that.
• 1:42:47
  What I obviously. The way that the destroyer shots
• 1:42:50
  were from below. Yeah, and the lighting.
• 1:42:53
  The lighting as well. Although in a minute there's
• 1:42:55
  these green effects. Janet Fielding's right when
• 1:42:57
  she's bitching about it. And behind the sofas, these
• 1:43:00
  green effects that's come spitting out the windows are not
• 1:43:03
  the best, yo. I suppose.
• 1:43:05
  Oh, this is Mccoy's worst bit if they're dead.
• 1:43:11
  But then he goes at all cute. Ace.
• 1:43:13
  Xiaoyong, are you alive? And they're all covered in
• 1:43:18
  polystyrene and bits of set. Now look, the infotex is telling
• 1:43:23
  us that the Doctor doesn't in fact pick his hat up off the
• 1:43:25
  floor when it just fell down, but when he goes to the side,
• 1:43:28
  he's wearing it. Continuity era.
• 1:43:30
  Is that a problem? I've never noticed that unless I
• 1:43:33
  was told. Look at what they've done for
• 1:43:35
  this pub. Peter Warp is not going to go
• 1:43:37
  for a sleep upstairs. State of it.
• 1:43:41
  What's her name? Oh, not at all.
• 1:43:45
  What? Oh no.
• 1:43:48
  Is it inappropriate? Maybe.
• 1:43:50
  OK. Is it about someone in this
• 1:43:54
  room? No.
• 1:43:55
  OK. I don't.
• 1:43:56
  I don't need to know. Did you notice all that debris
• 1:43:58
  that fell over them there? Well.
• 1:44:00
  I was going to say that she's been covered in Polyfyrin.
• 1:44:03
  As well. And this is where Shao Young's
• 1:44:05
  not needed anymore. So she doesn't really.
• 1:44:07
  Do it. No.
• 1:44:07
  Yeah, Yeah, she she's just kept behind, isn't she, for that
• 1:44:11
  scene or Ace has got somebody. She's in that very charming
• 1:44:15
  scene at the end. But that's nice that she's a
• 1:44:17
  she. Yeah, that she's still stuck
• 1:44:18
  around. But what happens to, you know,
• 1:44:21
  we don't see her after this very much.
• 1:44:22
  Exotic alien swords are easy to come by.
• 1:44:26
  Marks are rare. Actually, the marks are 10 a
• 1:44:31
  penny. Jesus, there's so many of you
• 1:44:32
  out there. Oh, don't mean you.
• 1:44:34
  Oh, shut up now, OK? And actually there's not in
• 1:44:41
  terms of sets, what have we got? We've had the pub, we've had
• 1:44:45
  that where that what's it called?
• 1:44:48
  Barn thing that they're in dresses several times and the
• 1:44:53
  spaceship is only the three indoor sets, isn't there?
• 1:44:55
  Very little bit and lots of location work.
• 1:44:58
  I love this scene where the camera pans over the
• 1:45:01
  battlefield. Winifred looks at the young
• 1:45:04
  soldier who's dead and he says a good fight and she's disgusted.
• 1:45:07
  It shows their different moralities.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah, but also, she's been going right?
• 1:45:11
  Come on there, everyone with a sword.
• 1:45:13
  You say. Oh, with that going.
• 1:45:14
  Around. Angela Bruce was saying right
• 1:45:16
  that she had training with the sword and then she went, oh,
• 1:45:18
  let's just do it. And she.
• 1:45:20
  She jumped in. Can I say I don't think we've
• 1:45:24
  talked about Angela Bruce's Bambera enough in this we.
• 1:45:26
  Have an athlete. And I feel like she deserves
• 1:45:29
  more, more comment. She's she's just charismatic as
• 1:45:33
  hell. If we'd have come back to her in
• 1:45:35
  another story, I think we would have seen her a bit.
• 1:45:37
  Kate Stewart in the midst of Unit I.
• 1:45:40
  Mean if this if we'd had the Lost Season 27 as done by Big
• 1:45:44
  Finish. Oh, animal.
• 1:45:46
  With Animal not the best for Angela, Bruce or Bambera in that
• 1:45:52
  particular story, So I'm very glad it's all been redeemed with
• 1:45:55
  Bambera's own series on Big Finish, that animal and in fact
• 1:45:58
  that whole season 27. It was awful.
• 1:46:02
  I'm sorry maybe if that is not what would have made it to the
• 1:46:05
  screen. I don't know, but would but that
• 1:46:07
  first one with the ICE Warriors and Russia?
• 1:46:09
  It was so boring. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:46:13
  It might. It might have been OK on TV.
• 1:46:15
  And boy, would they have brought in Beth Chalmers to play Ray
• 1:46:17
  Robinson. But having that character of
• 1:46:19
  Rain would have been either. I would.
• 1:46:22
  I would love to see it. I would love to see that.
• 1:46:25
  Mark see the gateway home is almost complete like these are
• 1:46:32
  lines a lesser actor could could fall on their sword.
• 1:46:37
  But the look of this and the style of it, as we're going into
• 1:46:40
  the 90s, there's a lot of maybe not spats as we talked about the
• 1:46:44
  other time, but there's a lot of children's drama at this time.
• 1:46:49
  Had this look and feel and probably the same budget.
• 1:46:53
  I mean later on you go to, I was like Demon Headmaster or but
• 1:46:57
  Remake Tomorrow People and stuff like that.
• 1:47:00
  It's. It is.
• 1:47:01
  This is what you get on a kids. It's a bit sort of comic strip,
• 1:47:05
  isn't it? Yeah, But the interesting thing
• 1:47:07
  is I think ghosts like Cursor, Fenerick and Survival are all,
• 1:47:12
  in their own way, visually stunning.
• 1:47:13
  Like they they have been put together by really, really
• 1:47:16
  thoughtful directors who face it when they came in.
• 1:47:22
  It's so sad because they have to do that sort of twirl when they
• 1:47:24
  come in, don't they? Of course, the Brigadier has to
• 1:47:28
  shoot straight away. Don't you love it when he goes?
• 1:47:30
  And I have an ace up my. Sleeve.
• 1:47:35
  Oh my God, you can't do that to Nicholas Courtney.
• 1:47:39
  Without the breeder have died, just the destroyer.
• 1:47:43
  Just going locked him out the window.
• 1:47:44
  He was always going, oh, I see. The Destroyer had to remove his
• 1:47:48
  chest plate in a moment of glory so the Brigadier could shoot him
• 1:47:51
  in the flesh. Of course.
• 1:47:55
  If it wasn't just, you know, to get us horny, it was for an
• 1:47:58
  important plot point. Aye.
• 1:48:01
  I like the bit, you know, where they were going around the light
• 1:48:03
  fitness. You know, it reminds me of when
• 1:48:05
  David Tennant and Anthony Head were going around the swimming
• 1:48:09
  pool, that sort of thing. Kind.
• 1:48:11
  Of thing Which? One, do you think was more
• 1:48:13
  effective? I think I'd rather Refugee
• 1:48:16
  Martians Festival going around swimming pool.
• 1:48:21
  Honestly, you are singly unique person.
• 1:48:23
  Do you know that? All the destroyers chains have
• 1:48:26
  been like there, he goes. There's the wet mouth, there's.
• 1:48:30
  We. Love.
• 1:48:30
  Wet mouth Do you know what? This is the Great Extra.
• 1:48:35
  Tail and he's look, he's. Here we go.
• 1:48:37
  Chains. I mean all of my all of my
• 1:48:40
  fetishes. He's an Incredible Hulk, isn't
• 1:48:42
  he? Yeah, Jesus, he's been down the
• 1:48:44
  gym a bit as well. I'm telling you, is that make up
• 1:48:48
  chest or real chest painted blue?
• 1:48:51
  I think that's make it. I think that's rubber.
• 1:48:53
  That's like, I don't think. He's got, like, Bobbly's knobbly
• 1:48:55
  waltzer. I have his teeth.
• 1:48:57
  Look at those teeth. Yeah.
• 1:48:59
  That is fucking chilling. Yes.
• 1:49:04
  Oh, and I like this bit as well where Maldred comes in and she's
• 1:49:08
  she is happy. He's alive, isn't she?
• 1:49:10
  Yeah. She's just got so many layers,
• 1:49:13
  so many reversals. There's a lot of dry ice in this
• 1:49:15
  story though, isn't there? Well, it has a bit of inside,
• 1:49:18
  outside atmosphere. Everywhere.
• 1:49:21
  You know what? You popped a bit of dry ass in
• 1:49:23
  this room, in a bit of atmosphere going on.
• 1:49:27
  What? What's that mean?
• 1:49:28
  I have. No idea.
• 1:49:34
  But then you think the story sort of comes when God don't you
• 1:49:37
  already have. You ever drooled that much,
• 1:49:40
  though? I don't know.
• 1:49:41
  There's a Burger King opening up in town.
• 1:49:42
  Oh. My God and a wimpy which is
• 1:49:46
  right next to the McDonald's. Oh my God, we're doomed, aren't
• 1:49:49
  we? Burger Palooza.
• 1:49:51
  But yeah, you think everything's been wrapped up quite quickly,
• 1:49:53
  isn't it? Don't you?
• 1:49:54
  Yeah. Oh no.
• 1:49:55
  Do you remember what it does here?
• 1:49:56
  Good grief, is that a spaceship? I mean the Doctor's.
• 1:50:01
  A bit of way the bringing in knocks the Doctor out.
• 1:50:04
  I know, I know. Just one.
• 1:50:05
  Little hit like that. There's a bit of tarpaulin for
• 1:50:07
  him to lab. It's a metal.
• 1:50:08
  Sheet, isn't it? Is that not a metal?
• 1:50:10
  No, it's a metal. Or like when I get roofs.
• 1:50:12
  You have, yeah. It's a bit off, Doris said.
• 1:50:16
  That on a greenhouse, didn't she?
• 1:50:18
  Good Lord, is that a spaceship? I'm going to try.
• 1:50:22
  That one time you know and see if it works.
• 1:50:25
  Who says Doctor Who's allowed a nonsense, honestly.
• 1:50:30
  There we go. He knocks him out.
• 1:50:32
  Even even ice. Looked.
• 1:50:34
  I mean, why would there be a fucking spaceship?
• 1:50:37
  Well, you never know. I suppose it is Doctor Who.
• 1:50:39
  Isn't there? I so the so the Destroyer sort
• 1:50:44
  of turns up, takes his clothes. Off.
• 1:50:47
  Well, he's been a prisoner of Morgaine for however long, and
• 1:50:50
  now he's got his freedom and she doesn't care.
• 1:50:52
  She's like, oh, whatever, I've used him.
• 1:50:54
  He can just be unleashed now, do you know?
• 1:50:56
  What? The sexiest line is where he
• 1:50:58
  goes. It Burns was, well, sexy and.
• 1:51:03
  Here we go, the Brigadier and the Destroyer facing off.
• 1:51:06
  And the Brigadier is like this is most effective monster that
• 1:51:10
  I've ever had to meet. To be fair, it is I.
• 1:51:13
  Mean. Remember those spaghetti?
• 1:51:15
  Axons and things. Exactly.
• 1:51:16
  It's like you're. So devils with the eyes that
• 1:51:18
  didn't. Sorry, I've got to kill you.
• 1:51:19
  You are so much better than that, Dick Axon.
• 1:51:22
  Yeah, well, no, I've, I said. The Sea Devils are like Dicks in
• 1:51:24
  the arse way. But they do, right?
• 1:51:29
  OK. Oh my God, I'm getting wrapped
• 1:51:32
  up. But I'm.
• 1:51:32
  I'm glad that Brigadier wasn't killed off.
• 1:51:34
  I don't think this would be. I'm glad my mum didn't let me
• 1:51:36
  watch this because I think I've been very sad if he'd have been
• 1:51:39
  dead. No, I don't think because
• 1:51:42
  actually we had all of that, you know, even at the end of
• 1:51:44
  remembrance we have all that funeral stuff, didn't we?
• 1:51:46
  We'd have to have that, the Brigadier, at the end.
• 1:51:48
  Of this, wouldn't we? Carmel poured character into
• 1:51:51
  stuff, but I do like the the conceit that he's died.
• 1:51:56
  Yeah, Wow. And then the joke where he's
• 1:51:58
  like. Because actually you might be
• 1:51:59
  expecting, because you've got the new Brigadier ready to take
• 1:52:01
  up the place and this is where you think everything's over.
• 1:52:05
  And then we have this whole extra bit now with the fight and
• 1:52:08
  the bomb and everything. Your spots are dying bad.
• 1:52:14
  That's what happens as well, isn't it?
• 1:52:15
  In that wedding of the River song.
• 1:52:20
  Oh, that's a great. It's Nicholas Courtney's deadpan
• 1:52:23
  comic accent. It's great, I tell you.
• 1:52:26
  I bet he was waiting for the right moment as well.
• 1:52:27
  The Brigadier, like, right, I'm going to get him after all these
• 1:52:30
  years have been patronizing me and get I quite like all the
• 1:52:34
  flames here as well. I think I was.
• 1:52:36
  Just thinking, yeah, they've done, they've gone all out on
• 1:52:39
  the flames on this. It could have just been more dry
• 1:52:40
  ice. You're obsessed with the dry
• 1:52:43
  ice. Yeah, honestly, we have a
• 1:52:45
  battlefield party. You know, you could just pump
• 1:52:47
  the place full of dry. Ice all you need.
• 1:52:51
  Yeah. And now we have all these bombs
• 1:52:52
  up and there's all these wonderful speeches.
• 1:52:55
  What? Well, wonderful.
• 1:52:56
  Are you sure about that? What is the secret incantation?
• 1:53:01
  No, it's the air. It was like honey.
• 1:53:04
  Yeah, no. But what about McCoy?
• 1:53:06
  Come on. A child looks up to the sky.
• 1:53:09
  His eyes descend. Us.
• 1:53:11
  He's acting. I think that's fine.
• 1:53:12
  He's very intense. It's.
• 1:53:14
  Can I do the last bit? OK, as as that's war and there's
• 1:53:19
  our weapons. You are Jos.
• 1:53:20
  And then we'll gain sort of carted off to prison.
• 1:53:27
  But first we've got all the Excalibur stuff.
• 1:53:28
  Haven't. We, yeah, we've always tied
• 1:53:29
  everything up in there. Did you notice on that scene
• 1:53:32
  right? I, I, I only point it out
• 1:53:35
  because it's very obvious. Angela Bruce has put a bit of
• 1:53:37
  slap on her face. She wasn't wearing it earlier.
• 1:53:40
  I think on the interior studio thing, the makeup artist has
• 1:53:43
  been very. She's gone on looking a bit, but
• 1:53:45
  I'm going to put a bit of eyeshadow on.
• 1:53:48
  I want Doctor Who to show me at my best in the outline is Aisen
• 1:53:54
  Show Young that return to the spaceship with Excalibur.
• 1:53:58
  Oh, don't you love this bit though, where he reads the note.
• 1:54:00
  Yeah, the note is clever. Is there anything more Sylvester
• 1:54:03
  Mccoy's doctor than this? It's Sylvester and it's Doctor
• 1:54:05
  Who. Yeah, that's what you want.
• 1:54:07
  That's what Doctor Who does best.
• 1:54:08
  Do you know what line I love? And I I mean this without taking
• 1:54:12
  the Mickey, is where she says everything else is propaganda.
• 1:54:15
  That's such a great line. Who signed it?
• 1:54:19
  Mark. The Doctor.
• 1:54:23
  And he goes oh. That's all that, doesn't it?
• 1:54:26
  No. Hang on, does that mean he's
• 1:54:29
  going to do all this in the future or in the past?
• 1:54:31
  Well, he might just do that. Not yet in the future.
• 1:54:35
  Which could be the past. Oh no, which is in the past.
• 1:54:37
  Yeah, I don't know. Of course, McCoy loves it.
• 1:54:41
  We're going to get Arthur. Oh, here we go.
• 1:54:46
  Here. We have another sword fight.
• 1:54:48
  Anslin and Mordred. That's the hottest sword fight
• 1:54:52
  in the whole thing, I'm telling you this pair.
• 1:54:55
  Well, I'm glad his hands all right in this, otherwise he
• 1:54:58
  wouldn't be able to work with you.
• 1:54:59
  Oh no, he would. He'd just say I can't do.
• 1:55:01
  It you're such a bitch, you're never going to go stop going on
• 1:55:04
  about that signature. Right.
• 1:55:07
  Oh God, here we go. Mccoy's got 60 seconds to a mow,
• 1:55:10
  OK. Did we ever find out why we've
• 1:55:12
  got all these nuclear war things down here?
• 1:55:14
  Yeah, for this scene, for the drama.
• 1:55:20
  Oh yeah. So apparently, originally,
• 1:55:22
  right? Andrew Carmel wrote this speech
• 1:55:24
  and it was about 3 minutes long and he was like, no, nothing's
• 1:55:27
  coming out. And then they did it in the
• 1:55:29
  rehearsal. Room.
• 1:55:30
  And he was like fucking out. Goes on a bit, doesn't it?
• 1:55:32
  I've got to cut this down a bit. Look all the dialogues.
• 1:55:38
  Here in the in the. If it was to read the original
• 1:55:41
  dialogue, it's just rolling across in the info text, yeah?
• 1:55:46
  But you need this head to head with the Doctor and more game
• 1:55:50
  because I didn't really add that a little bit earlier in the barn
• 1:55:52
  because now the Destroyer's out the way.
• 1:55:55
  So I know I want to say, see, we've been watching a little bit
• 1:55:58
  of The Only Way is Essex recently where there are similar
• 1:56:02
  characters to Morgaine. I'd say Gemma Collins is not too
• 1:56:05
  far off being over the top, like, oh, I'm going somewhere
• 1:56:07
  here. So obviously, you know when
• 1:56:10
  they're slighted by men in Tower and they go for these horrendous
• 1:56:15
  revenge tactics, public displays and things like this, well, this
• 1:56:19
  is what Morgaine's doing here. She's been slighted by Arthur,
• 1:56:23
  who's far too obsessed with playing war games with the Round
• 1:56:26
  Table people, and so she's gone to all these lengths to have
• 1:56:29
  battles and wars. True.
• 1:56:32
  That's one way of reading it. And This is why she's talking
• 1:56:36
  about the air being like honey, because she still loves him.
• 1:56:39
  It's a love story, really. Hyde was like that.
• 1:56:42
  You know what? Do you think happens to Morgaine
• 1:56:44
  after this though? What do you mean?
• 1:56:47
  Well, don't go back to the, Don't go back to the dimensions,
• 1:56:49
  no. He says put her in prison.
• 1:56:50
  How are you? Going to hold someone with
• 1:56:53
  magical powers. Exactly did.
• 1:56:55
  You put her in a cell? Yeah, she's gone, all right.
• 1:56:59
  What? It surprises me, you know, given
• 1:57:01
  that they did so much with Jean Marsh in Big Finish that we
• 1:57:04
  never saw more game back. I think if Jean Marsh was still,
• 1:57:08
  they would at some point. Yeah, well, they would have been
• 1:57:11
  nice. They should have done.
• 1:57:13
  They did those marvellous Sarah Kingdom audios.
• 1:57:15
  Oh, she's brilliant as Sarah Kingdom, yeah.
• 1:57:19
  She sets up house with Stephen in one, you know.
• 1:57:21
  Yeah, she's Oh, she's absolutely.
• 1:57:24
  Brilliant. And her companion chronicles are
• 1:57:25
  amazing. But even this, this is all
• 1:57:29
  work's position where she's talking about being in the woods
• 1:57:31
  of celadon with Arthur and she she's just so believable.
• 1:57:36
  Yeah. And you know what I actually
• 1:57:38
  think? I wondering if she just would
• 1:57:40
  submit to being in prison now because she's heartbroken.
• 1:57:44
  Broken, yeah. Oh, he says.
• 1:57:47
  You have killed my betrothed. All right, kill him then.
• 1:57:53
  He won't upset Mark in the future or just lop off his
• 1:57:59
  hands. So.
• 1:58:01
  Well, hopefully I'll meet. Christopher Bowen.
• 1:58:05
  Yeah, and he'll be nicer to me. Well, you've had some
• 1:58:07
  interesting experience with Sylvester McCoy as well, haven't
• 1:58:09
  you? I know means first McCoy.
• 1:58:12
  We just never get on. Like, I don't know, he's just
• 1:58:14
  very uninterested in meeting me. Whereas I met me and Colin
• 1:58:17
  Baker, he flirts with me every time we meet.
• 1:58:20
  OK? Every time.
• 1:58:22
  He kissed me last time. Did I tell you?
• 1:58:24
  Yeah. He had this little boy right and
• 1:58:27
  the little boy was dressed, had to throw his Colin Baker and he
• 1:58:29
  said, oh little boy, you're so cute.
• 1:58:31
  And then it was my turn next. Anyway, You're less cute.
• 1:58:35
  I know. Every We've got time in the
• 1:58:37
  script as well to have this lovely ending with everyone back
• 1:58:42
  at the Brute, well, Doris's house.
• 1:58:43
  It's lovely little coder, isn't it?
• 1:58:45
  Yeah, it's very not very classic series.
• 1:58:47
  I can only think of a few times. When we do this theory from the
• 1:58:50
  deep black or KID, there's only a couple of times.
• 1:58:52
  Well, bye. Thank you, Doctor Wee.
• 1:58:56
  Out with. The girls, That's my favorite.
• 1:58:58
  Life. It's, you know, it would have
• 1:59:03
  been nice to see Doris again. Actually, she didn't.
• 1:59:05
  Do enough? Did she imagine her up against
• 1:59:07
  Morgaine? I mean, she had an easy, lovely
• 1:59:09
  filming day at this house probably, and that's it.
• 1:59:12
  Yeah. Oh, shall you and Bambera are
• 1:59:14
  going? All in Bessie.
• 1:59:16
  Could you imagine go on this road trip with this bunch?
• 1:59:18
  Imagine a whole. Imagine a whole movie with them
• 1:59:21
  on a road trip with Bessie. They all got pissed.
• 1:59:24
  Written a short story surely? They ended up in some dreadful
• 1:59:27
  B&B somewhere having sex. I.
• 1:59:29
  Having sex What is for? Ohh.
• 1:59:32
  Does. The Bruce, Sophie Aldridge Show
• 1:59:33
  me for Bearer. Hang.
• 1:59:38
  On Sophia No. Sophia A stories.
• 1:59:42
  That's. Your fancy life, not mine.
• 1:59:45
  You're. Sick.
• 1:59:48
  Oh my. God, stop talking over this
• 1:59:50
  charming ending about sex. It's lovely.
• 1:59:54
  Oh, he goes, Are you really good with a lawn mower?
• 1:59:58
  And then he says, I'll make supper.
• 2:00:01
  Oh, do you know, what do you think Mccoy's the cutest doctor.
• 2:00:04
  When he's charming like this, he's so lovely, isn't he?
• 2:00:07
  Yeah, I can't see any of the other doctors doing that.
• 2:00:10
  I never did a turn around with Matt Smith.
• 2:00:12
  You know, no matter how much people trying to convince me why
• 2:00:15
  you say, hey, Sylvester McCoy, I love him now.
• 2:00:18
  Why is that do you think? What grew up, I think, and stop
• 2:00:22
  being a precocious teenager who didn't like this rest of McCoy
• 2:00:25
  era. We always criticize this, but
• 2:00:26
  we're actually we love every Doctor and we love every story
• 2:00:29
  because we love Doctor Who. Well.
• 2:00:32
  So if you don't like it, don't watch it.
• 2:00:35
  I mean, I would say that's a fabulous sentiment to end on,
• 2:00:37
  but we do have to give our three fabulous reasons as to why
• 2:00:41
  people should watch Battlefield one a piece, starting with you.
• 2:00:46
  Bringing in Doctor Who to the the 90s.
• 2:00:51
  Angela Bruce's Brigadier Bambera, absolutely updating
• 2:00:54
  unit, the new unit, that's three.
• 2:00:57
  Things. No, I'm I'm summing it up as
• 2:00:59
  that's one. OK, I'm going to say the
• 2:01:03
  fabulous Ling Thai as Xiao Yung, who I believe is one of those
• 2:01:07
  companions that never was. Yeah, absolutely.
• 2:01:10
  Fabulous. It's great for Ace to have a
• 2:01:12
  female companion. The action and the pace of this
• 2:01:17
  story and yeah, and all the character moments as well.
• 2:01:22
  There's a good mix. It's a good balance, the great
• 2:01:24
  pace of a story. That's three things.
• 2:01:27
  Again. In one, honestly, you're greedy.
• 2:01:32
  I am going to say representation.
• 2:01:34
  I think it's fabulous that we've got young people, old people,
• 2:01:36
  lots of men, lots of women, lots of people of different
• 2:01:41
  ethnicities. In terms of representation, I
• 2:01:45
  think this is the best a doctor, whoever was until I would say
• 2:01:51
  early Chipnall. I'm going to say the Destroyer.
• 2:01:57
  The design, the creature, the brilliance of that, the drippy
• 2:02:02
  mouth, the chest burst, all of that.
• 2:02:07
  Doctor Who monsters are cool by this point.
• 2:02:11
  I think they're always pretty cool.
• 2:02:13
  They hit me. Sometimes.
• 2:02:16
  No, The cyber leader from Revenge of the Cybermen.
• 2:02:19
  Dr. You will be fragmentized. Dr. OK And my third thing then
• 2:02:28
  is going to be, oh, I want to make it a goodie.
• 2:02:32
  It's going to be OK Yeah. It's going to be my reaction to
• 2:02:36
  this story, which I used to find a massive embarrassment, and
• 2:02:41
  thanks to talking about this story with other Doctor Who fans
• 2:02:45
  who have lots of love for it. I've done a complete 180 with
• 2:02:49
  this and I really, really love this now.
• 2:02:51
  I think it is incredible. I think there are problems, but
• 2:02:54
  there are problems with most classic Doctor Who stories.
• 2:02:57
  But I think this is incredible fun to watch, Very quotable,
• 2:03:00
  great characters. I don't know what was wrong with
• 2:03:04
  me back in my teenage years. I don't know either, no.
• 2:03:07
  I just loved this. One maybe back then.
• 2:03:10
  Well, did you? What, even that wiry 7 year old?
• 2:03:12
  Yeah. Always loved the story.
• 2:03:13
  It's my number one favorite McCoy story.
• 2:03:15
  So. Very, very sweet.
• 2:03:17
  Well, listen, Mark, we're going to be recording again pretty
• 2:03:22
  soon, aren't we? But we are going to be indulging
• 2:03:25
  in a threesome so. Why don't you?
• 2:03:32
  Tell No, no, you don't have a listeners.
• 2:03:33
  Who's jumping in with us this time?
• 2:03:34
  Next time. So we're going to be doing
• 2:03:38
  talons of Wing Chiang, aren't we?
• 2:03:40
  We are. How bold.
• 2:03:41
  Yes. How bold.
• 2:03:43
  Very exciting. Can I say?
• 2:03:45
  I think before we even recall that, that Talons of Wing Chiang
• 2:03:48
  is one of the best ever Doctor Who stories.
• 2:03:52
  It's very different to Battlefield, let's put it that
• 2:03:54
  way. Lots of yell.
• 2:03:54
  The world's apart, I said. But it's imminently quotable
• 2:03:57
  again, isn't it? Shows a trick.
• 2:03:59
  You wouldn't want that served up with onions, no, We're going to
• 2:04:07
  be doing that with the wonderful Luke Molloy from Lost on
• 2:04:11
  Gallifrey Believe was recently on.
• 2:04:13
  Too much Who on our deadly assassinate, So what?
• 2:04:16
  Who? Oh yeah.
• 2:04:18
  Deadliest oh, Fat Fabulous episode, by the way.
• 2:04:21
  Yeah, some lovely feedback about that one, didn't you?
• 2:04:24
  Yeah. So we're going to be heading to
• 2:04:26
  Victorian London with Patsy Smart, Louise Jameson, Tom Baker
• 2:04:30
  And Who's. Patsy Smart.
• 2:04:33
  Again, it's not the actress's name.
• 2:04:37
  It's a floater, all right. The Jazz needs me to say.
• 2:04:42
  She's top of the list. That's smart.
• 2:04:46
  Thank you very much for your time.
• 2:04:47
  Oh, thanks. Yes, she's talking to me.
• 2:04:49
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:50
  Yeah. Thank you very much for your
• 2:04:51
  time and until next time. Yeah, see you next time.
• 2:04:58
  Bye. We're off out with the girls.
• 2:05:02
  With the girls. Hang on does.
• 2:05:05
  This thing run on petrol or steam?
• 2:05:07
  I'll make dinner.