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Before Predator - The Leopard Men And The Original Jungle Hunter · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a story about Predator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the origins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is interesting that I, that it was brought up a couple times in the Florida episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because rather ironic, because like we've discussed, we don't typically tell each other where we're writing about, actually we never do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a synchronization.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always, which I'm surprised it hasn't happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There come a day where we have both written the same episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it'll just be a collab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but we haven't done that yet, but to the story, to the good parts, I've talked about finding this for quite a while.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knows this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember stumbling around on the story originally on Reddit, been years back, and I saw information that suggested that the predator movie was based off actual events.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I can't recall if what I'm about to present to you is that story, but I'm pretty sure it is, and from there, we're going to spend in a direction.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that kind of stays with the predator theme.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna try to do as many episodes as I can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm figuring at least four episodes coming out of it, but we'll see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that's a run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna see what I can, what I can dig up with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The phenomena, the predator glimmer, shimmer phenomenon is interesting one to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we kind of touched on on a little bit last show, like are these creatures of singles species?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this some kind of technology they're using?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really...
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[SPEAKER_00]: really good rabbit hole to dive down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Predator is single-handedly, one of the greatest movies ever made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, how are you that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's one of my favorites.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you do, you're all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, to the story, 1968, a special forces unit lead by Captain Richard Hollister disappeared during
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were found three days later, hanging from trees and skinned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All of their weapons were intact and no enemies were close to the site.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The official report comes out and it says the Viet Congrel units were to blame for what had happened to the unit, which I know there have been cases like this before, where military units do fucked up things like this and hopes of scaring the opposing side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Me and Steve have talked about this before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Russia and World War II or World War I. Yep, and then I want to say there was something in Cuba or something around there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or the CIA took part in stuff like this too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think they didn't Vietnam, too, where they played over loudspeakers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Voices to the Viet Cong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and scaring them out of there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said something to do with them dying and not being at peace to shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the Soviets were skinning prisoners and hanging their skins and trees and then they were word of mouthing that creatures existed in the Siberia and shit that we're doing this to people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's psychological warfare.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of skinning someone is terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, field surgeons notes come out and it said that no human tool could have caused the wounds that were inflicted on the men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The precision would suggest mechanical origin, the bodies were drained of blood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Two weeks later, a three-man recon team was sent into the area that team went missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: More people went in and found a single dog tag.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This dog dag belonged to private James Elkins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The metal on the dog tag was melted in a way that couldn't be identified.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In 1972, five soldiers in Cambodia were separated from their unit only to be later found skined, hanging, and schools and spinal columns removed with surgical precision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A local villager reported seeing lights like angry fireflies in the jungle that night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He also seen a shadow that bent the trees moving through the canopy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That man disappeared three days later after his testimony.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently by 1975, the Pentagon created a dossier on the bizarre events, naming it forced hunter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they put together 13 other events that resembled these cases across Southeast Asia.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In each case, it was elite military units isolated bodies, displayed in trees with specific organs removed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Locals also witnessed strange lights or distortions in the jungle canopy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Every witness who came forward with a disappear or be found dead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was also a DARPA scientist that looked at some of the photographs of this being and declared it wasn't human or normal at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently she was killed in a home invasion and her document stolen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guatemala, 1982, a unit of CIA, we're helping Guatemala and special forces, but they all went missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There were operations in the northern province of the tan two weeks later, a local farmer discovered there remains a man hanging from trees.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the night before the farmer reported seeing a demon made of glass, unusual tracks for founder of the site, three towed tracks that just ended up disappearing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now according to what I've seen, a Dutch special forces unit went in and got smoked, which would lead to the seven man team in the movie with Dutch and Dylan, both with links to the movie and the encounter because Dutch would be the main character in the movie predator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, in this case, Dylan was a CIA guy that went missing, but Dylan is also in the movie, the Predator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some soft disclosure there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now apparently this was too large to cover up so they sent a script to Hollywood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Locations were already plotted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Military advisors were involved.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted to be very specific on how the bodies were hung and skinned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Would suggest that they wanted as much of the story put out to completely describe it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, it apparently didn't stop there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In Desert Storm, US Marine Scouts went missing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They found thermal imaging equipment that was melted similar to the jungle hunter situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Three days later, the three men were found hanging from a water tower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently the marine that found the bodies requested a transfer right afterwards because,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He witnessed moving something moving across the desert.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wrote that it wasn't human and it was like heat waves bending the air, but shaped like a man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was too tall and fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said he tried, all right, he fired at it and ended up with three red dots on his chest, but the thing let him live for whatever reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you hear the heat wave, reference a lot in the Glimmerman, Schimmerman, and counters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was looking them up, that was one that I actually had seen that was reported in around Kokey amounts, which isn't that far from us, right down the road from our work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the exact reference she used to describe it was a heat wave, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you do, you know, most, I think, I think most people, that's what they see when they think of like the glimmer man or yeah, anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, lost my spot here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now with this story, I looked around and tried to verify some of this information and I could not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not to say one way or the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because how likely you would find the truth about something like this is extremely small.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Regardless, I've been in love with that movie ever since the day I watched it for the more I've been, even more in love with the idea that it actually happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even more so when I stumbled on that right at post.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We all know that read of the internet in general is full of a lot of mystery and bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So once again, take all of that with a grain of salt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I did decide to approach this from another angle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I decided to look at it like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What accounts out there could have inspired the predator movie, assuming that this story I just presented is fake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What else is lurking around out there that someone may have heard
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[SPEAKER_02]: about and decided to turn it, it's been it into a movie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here is the beginning of what I found.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Going to a much older narrative into the jungles of Western Central Africa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to start this series off with the Leopardman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hunters that cross the boundary between human and animal, sanctioned not by human law, but by the jungle itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Across regions in Western Central Africa, like Sierra Leone, Liberia, and parts of Nigeria, and interior parts of the Congo basin, villagers have spoken of men who did not just pretend to be leopards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said these men became them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Seeing in these regions, leopards did exist, but the people living there knew what a leopard
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, what they were seeing was not that it was something far more unnatural.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In these areas, the leopard is not just a predator, either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a symbol of judgment, authority, and boundary enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chiefs would actually wear leopard skins, not as trophies, but as signs of alignment with the force older than human governance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The leopard represented the jungle's will, the capacity to punish its right to reclaim.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when the villagers in the area spoke of Leopardman, and they were not just describing some random killers, they were describing agents of the forest, beings believed to act on the behalf of a higher non-human order.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So with that in mind, they perceived, as the jungle had its own set of rules, and one thing was for sure, humans were not at the top of the food chain inside the jungles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I witness accounts across multiple regions describe Leopard Men as undergoing real transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't some type of disguise, which will later come into play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some would claim that the men physically transformed into a Leopard, hunting in animal form and later returning as a human with no wounds, blood, and no explanation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Others believe that Leopard Men's spirit left his body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hunting is a leopard while as human form would lay dormant asleep or hidden.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Upon waking, the man often claimed no memory of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Another widespread belief was possession.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A leopard spirit inhabited a man inhabited the man using his body as a vessel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Villagers said these people changed afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They usually became withdrawn, volatile, fearful of mirrors and water and uneasy in fire life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fearful of mirrors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, as we get through this, there's going to be a lot of tropes that kind of play into current paranormal things that we know quite a bit about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even more unsettling accounts described a layer of layered existence, where the leopard men was neither fully human nor fully animal seen as man by day and predator by night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which this hits on some, some many different fields across the paranormal spectrum.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have the window go, skinwalker, possession, wear wolf, because even even in some window go lower, it's the window go spirit that inhabits man to make him commit these atrocities of cannibalism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's where my brain was going when they were initially talking about the leopard men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have skin won't care accounts that match it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The wear will follow that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I find interesting how lower across the planet matches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have different cultures here that have this same type of narrative that men have this capability to transform into the into an ultimate predator
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[SPEAKER_02]: Villagers repeatedly describe a few things here, feeling watched without seeing anything, hearing movement and trees with no visible animal, sensing breath, weight or presence without form, seeing foliage shift without sound and tracks that appear suddenly and in abruptly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: From across regions, people would say you cannot see him unless he allows it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which this is interesting because it hits on the modern shimmering entities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But those accounts would in theory predate all the technological capabilities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this took place at a time where invisibility was understood as spiritual control over perception, not concealment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was going to ask, like, when these took place, these were taking place a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking like late 1800s, yeah, something because there's a, in the next episode, we get into when colonial, like authorities come to the region and start trying to govern these people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I guess spoiler when ends up happening is the colonial authorities
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[SPEAKER_02]: and they can't govern that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what they end up doing is they end up creating a criminal structure for these leopard men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They say that these are, because you look at a leopard society, they essentially created a secret society for these leopard killings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of off topic topic, but also on topic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always find a specific interest in like the air shipping counters that are reported from like the 1800s and beyond that because it's it's before a time that we had flight technology.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever was in the sky,
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[SPEAKER_00]: wasn't human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of the same way whenever you see whatever technology this these beings are using to cloak themselves is before man would have technology to produce it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man of this timeline anyway.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's wild, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Something else that separated the
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[SPEAKER_02]: A leopard kills the eat and leopard men kill to communicate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the reported features of the dead were as follows, wounds inconsistent with normal feeding patterns, selective removal of flesh, bodies placed deliberately on paths or village edges, minimal blood or no blood at scene, and signs of positioning or display.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So kind of fits that prayer or predator narrative of hanging the body, skin and number, moving sections as trophies, it kind of does, you know, fit that narrative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not dead on, of course, but we're looking at, I'm looking at it through the lens of what could have inspired such stories.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Local belief is that these weren't random attacks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were judgments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some victims were believed to have violated taboos, betrayed kinship obligations or offered spiritual or offended spiritual laws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This would shape how the deaths were understood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The forest through the leopard man was believed to be speaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is the forest of the jungle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dishon outs punishment for the people who have kind of fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I witness accounts also attribute them with abilities beyond human limits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They possess that normal strength, endurance, far beyond normal men, resistance to blades, traps and bullets, the ability to vanish even when surrounded, which all of that right there is predator motif to a D. Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It also kind of reminds me of
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[SPEAKER_00]: of like big foot lore about how they leave markings in the forest, you know, be it bent trees or rock piles or whatever and how they're reported to just disappear and
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[SPEAKER_00]: how they said they were leaving the bodies for communication, not not to people, but to other cheetah beings.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I've read it and kind of like big foot encounters there was one where this guy was in his basketball and he was traveling along the swamp right on the Georgia Florida line.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And as he came across this branch that was hung out on this tree, there were three cotton mouths tied in just a looping knot on these trees.
25:10
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, three of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were dead.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But he said the way he described it was that it was so much like they almost had to have been alive when they were tied.
25:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was left there as like a warning,
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[SPEAKER_02]: necessarily didn't he, man, because they're not the middle of the fucking swamp, you know, but left it as communication to another yeah, Sasquatch, which and I guess I guess in this case, the villagers always assumed that the displayed bodies in such were a communication to them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not so much to other leopard men.
25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I keep saying cheetah men.
25:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, leopard men both, both vicious cats.
25:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the time these traits were perceived as spiritual protection described as ritual medicine or a pact with the leopard spirit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Attempts to ambush or kill a suspected leopard man were said to fail every single time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ordinary rules no longer apply to these beings.
26:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Some accounts claim that the leopard men weren't always in control either.
26:27
[SPEAKER_02]: described blackouts or dreamlike states, spoke of being taken or used, expressed fear of what they might become after dark.
26:38
[SPEAKER_02]: In the Congo basin, a recurring phrase was, the leopard uses him.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Ironically enough, we have another common paranormal sum here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The forest slash jungle is a liminal realm.
26:50
[SPEAKER_02]: The jungle isn't just a location, it is a threshold world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The leopardman belonged to, it said that they belonged to the edge of villages, forest paths, boundaries between cleared land and jungle, places where human authority weakens.
27:07
[SPEAKER_02]: This is what we've talked about in other episodes of liminal places.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know those meeting of realm so to speak, and there's like a veil there that allows things to cross through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like like the Faye.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Faye, I mean that's a dead on example.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People insisted that Leopardman couldn't operate fully outside these spaces.
27:35
[SPEAKER_02]: They were bound to the jungle, reinforcing the idea that they were not roaming criminals, but boundary enforcers, entities that emerged only when worlds overlap.
27:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Villagers even believed that the Leopardman would allow rumors to spread, struck unpredictably, avoided patterns and thrived on uncertainty.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Fear was not always collateral damage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tara reminded humans that the jungle was not there to control.
28:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Like many other paranormal cases that take place in the wilderness, people talk about the sound of that occurs or the lack thereof.
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[SPEAKER_02]: abrupt silence and insect and birds.
28:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people reported the sensation of being pulled away, or sound being pulled away, which is a fucking really terrifying description.
28:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't imagine being in a place and then just hearing a feeling something suck in the sound out of the area.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I keep referencing other paranormal phenomena, but it's
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's prevalent in the missing 401 cases.
28:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the mentioning of other paranormal cases is extremely relevant in this situation because like I said, from what I've gathered this happens in at least, you know, it probably only starts to become documented when the colonial people move in and the 1800s and such.
29:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So this could have predated that by hundreds of years, essentially.
29:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that there are so many aspects of this that match aspects of skin walkers and win-to-goes and possession and alien abduction and and shit like that, I find it extremely fascinating that people from across the planet have these same categories for their spiritual or paranormal encounters.
29:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and as far as missing four on one goes, Politis does bring up the shimmer camouflage phenomenon quite a bit in some of his cases.
29:47
[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird, yeah.
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the documentaries, I don't know, if it's missing four on one, the hunted or what, but he does a whole, a whole like case on it, essentially.
30:00
[SPEAKER_02]: It probably was that one, because I know that
30:05
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a, like a, where they took the picture of whatever was there and it was all fucked up on.
30:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was all fucked up.
30:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is strange.
30:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of the missing four and one accounts of people that survived, talk about the forest going silent.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Just out of nowhere and feeling off and like, I almost, it's sucking the sound out.
30:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like what would happen because it's one of the like, in my opinion, one of the most accurate descriptions of what would probably take place.
30:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of the most disturbing.
30:46
[SPEAKER_02]: descriptions, I think that I've heard about the absence of sound in paranormal events.
30:53
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of it being sucked out of the environment is just really creepy.
30:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the gross.
31:02
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's even weird that, you know, they say they use the word sensation, but that's to me it's just like being able to feel it.
31:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Be sucked out is just really bizarre.
31:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Other things that they've noticed is heavy breathing with no visible source low growls that do not match animals Elders in West Africa apparently warned that when it goes to quiet it means that something is entered the area that does not that doesn't belong to the normal order of things
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Something else that has been reported, but often dismissed by outsiders is the dreams, omens, and premonitions, sometimes a leopardman would appear in dreams the night before an attack.
31:55
[SPEAKER_02]: As animal silhouettes, watching from trees, as human figures with animal eyes, or as a presence pressing down on the sleeper, which is kind of like,
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: sleep paralysis or like the what is it like the old hack night hack whatever you call it so there's another one that is it plays to you know paranormal encounters that we have in the states here at the overlap is wild it's strange isn't it
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[SPEAKER_02]: But with these ohmins and dreams, these were often seen as warnings and elders advised that if someone dreamt of being chased without seeing the pursuer, a leopard staring silently or a path that loops back on itself, they should not enter the forward, the jungle, the next day, at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just stay the fuck out of there.
32:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't take the chance.
32:50
[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably going to
32:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, like other paranormal encounters, lure and warnings, we have how children in the area will warn not to follow a voice calling their name from the trees.
33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't to approach a man standing motionless at the edge of the forest or follow animal tracks that appear suddenly.
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is another terrifying description that I don't think that I'll ever forget.
33:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Some accounts have children seeing a man who stands wrong.
33:33
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, that's disgusting.
33:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, imagine your seven-year-old child saying, I saw a man the day I any stands wrong.
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes me feel like their legs are bent backwards.
33:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Or, yeah, something like something crazy, like crazy off about it.
33:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And they also, the children have also said things like seeing a figure that does not blink, or someone who turns into an animal when noticed, which sounds just like the skinwalker.
34:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting because these weren't told the children as entertainment, they were told as safety guidelines.
34:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So, on my opinion, it at least shows the reality of what the elders believe in at the time.
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, enough to warn the children to stay the fuck away from these entities whenever they were seen.
34:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And it could ache.
34:42
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do feel like that's kind of a two-fold situation, because you could also argue that the elders
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: would put those out to keep the kids away from the jungle because of the leopards.
34:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like a boogie man scenario.
35:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
35:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Another question that I would ask, how did the leperman come to be?
35:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Now with this, there are a few different beliefs when it comes to this.
35:18
[SPEAKER_02]: The most widespread belief is that
35:21
[SPEAKER_02]: The person is selected by the leopard.
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Some idea of how it chooses is the spirit selects after time's been alone in the forest.
35:30
[SPEAKER_02]: A near-death experience, violation, or crossing of a taboo, the person doesn't always consent to this either.
35:40
[SPEAKER_02]: If it is an option, it seems like it is likely you become.
35:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so, let me phrase that.
35:51
[SPEAKER_02]: The person doesn't like, or if the person doesn't consent to this, it is a very likely outcome that you will become very ill, mad or death if you refuse the leopard, which kind of reminds me of the boundary with skinwalkers a little bit, because they have that type of almost
36:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel very skinwalkerish to me, like a lot of aspects of it.
36:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It does.
36:29
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of things that parallel the skinwalker.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So I almost makes me wonder if like a spirit would come to you at some point is what they believe.
36:49
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, that being your dreams or our life.
36:55
[SPEAKER_02]: And it basically just tells you, like, hey, Steve, your leopard man now.
37:01
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're like, no.
37:04
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, well, you're about to go crazy then because we're letting this from slide.
37:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
37:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you've got the choice.
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you choose, no, you're going to be blind and deaf.
37:16
[SPEAKER_02]: sucks.
37:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about you.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It sucks.
37:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So choose wisely and choose the Lepard.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Future, Lepard man.
37:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Another belief which may have led into later explanations of the later, or Lepard men.
37:33
[SPEAKER_02]: The inheritance or bloodline curse.
37:37
[SPEAKER_02]: The condition is passed down through blood.
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: It often manifests in a
37:46
[SPEAKER_02]: seems like it could be a relatively reasonable explanation.
37:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
37:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like if that like that type of explanation is rooted in all types of cultures.
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate bloodline curses.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: The other worst.
38:03
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have one.
38:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you know if you did?
38:07
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a that's a good question.
38:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be interesting to ask somebody who could sniff that out.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: That would
38:16
[SPEAKER_02]: And shit, in today's world, it's very hard to tell if, if I have a bloodline curse or not.
38:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It wouldn't surprise me that much that somebody in my family lineage has done something completely ill-advised was a leopard man.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be interesting.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be interesting.
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Freaking bloodline curse as I tell you what.
38:44
[SPEAKER_00]: No leopard man.
38:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, when this happens, you will see possible signs, changes in behavior, attraction to the forest, jungle, violent dreams, and a withdrawal from community life.
39:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Some belief systems said that these leopard men were created through ritual crossing, things
39:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess at some point, if you took part in fasting and or isolation, so I'm like, I almost makes me feel like going on one of those like spiritual trips slash journeys and coming into contact with a leopard spirit.
39:44
[SPEAKER_02]: and establishing communication that way.
39:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Another thing that it was believed that there was the possibility of ritual consumption of medicine associated with the letter, or the leopard, and also symbolic death and rebirth.
40:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So as you can kind of tell,
40:06
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of the Leopardmen lore in rightfully so is very like belief system based.
40:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very spiritually based in these cultures, but also the Leopard was a prominent figure of the jungle.
40:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they said, even even chiefs would wear, you know, leopard skins.
40:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was, it was a big deal in the area.
40:35
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the more chilling beliefs is that the leopard men appear when the forest needs them.
40:43
[SPEAKER_02]: The jungle is a conscious system.
40:46
[SPEAKER_02]: When balance is disrupted and enforcer emerges, the leopard man is then generated.
40:52
[SPEAKER_02]: When one leopard men dies, it is eventually replaced by another.
40:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Never the same man either, it's always someone different.
41:01
[SPEAKER_02]: which is crazy.
41:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Does they are believing and pushing out the idea that, like, I know I kind of said this already, but the forest absolutely are the jungle, forest, whatever, creates what it needs.
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, it is kind of ironic that in today's world, we don't much fuck with the jungles.
41:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not.
41:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Like most people, stay the fuck out of the jungles.
41:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Aside from annihilating them, cutting everything down, but you're gonna find me in a jungle.
41:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we really don't, like as humanity, we really don't fuck with the jungles.
41:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if there's a set number of leopard men.
42:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it says the man is never the same, but I'm assuming like the spirit passes itself from one to another You think so yeah, which would almost infer that there is a set number of these Leopardman spirits out there.
42:19
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an interesting question.
42:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It just can it just continuous
42:23
[SPEAKER_02]: because there was at least four different regions that they were poured in, like I said, the Sierra Leone Liberia, Liberia, Nigeria, and the inner Congo basin.
42:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they're each a different species.
42:43
[SPEAKER_00]: They each have their own territory.
42:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so hard because like,
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The lore rides that line between flesh and blood kind of cryptid and supernatural-based spirit type of cryptid, you know?
43:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
43:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, I find it interesting as hell that it matches so close with the skinwalker.
43:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, both of native tribes to their areas
43:21
[SPEAKER_00]: which when we talk to Sean Klin, he basically said that there are very similar entities spread out across the world, but different cultures have different names for them.
43:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes sense that these things are similar, albeit a little bit different.
43:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And it makes sense.
43:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've, we've discussed time and time again about how the same entity is out there, but it, it also, it goes by different names.
44:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And I did, I did recently see something about the tower babble being involved in something in that, which was fascinating about how after it was, you know, destroyed and the,
44:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Languages to all change across the planet because of that.
44:21
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when these entities start getting different names.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's creepy.
44:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of a cool concept on us calling things differently, even though it's the same thing.
44:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
44:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I like that.
44:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that idea.
44:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like we kind of talked with Sean Clinton, the term skinwalker is tossed around like a very broad brush painted across all different kinds of entities.
44:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's very much like a Navajo entity, you know, and the word gets thrown around quite a bit when he made the point to say that like there are similar.
45:07
[SPEAKER_00]: beings that infiltrate different cultures that act very similar, but they do go by different names.
45:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And it almost makes you wonder, now that we're kind of going off on this tangent, like does does whatever specific name, hold power to that specific entity.
45:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
45:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good question.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, does a skin marker hold more power over Navajo people, and are they better equipped to deal with specific skin walkers than other people, which I kind of feel like that they are.
45:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would agree with that.
45:54
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know if it's true or not, but I do feel like the name has power.
46:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is exactly why they don't say, yeah, this can walkers, you know, real name.
46:10
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I like we're, we're diving into like, pre pre history kind of lore of these things.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Because why don't feel like we get a chance to do that, very old.
46:25
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, not at all.
46:28
[SPEAKER_02]: not at all because we're all about it.
46:30
[SPEAKER_02]: It is fascinating that this, you know, it pans out that it's from so long ago.
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to find more like this actually, where it's pretty, you know, it's in, from way back when, because we're all about like finding cases of the glamour man, the shimmer man, the predator beings, but I really like that we're going
46:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know when I heard about it, I was like, Hell yeah, this is going to be cool, especially like even the next episode as long as I can find enough information to really fully swing it because we do try to aim for an hour, but the fact that You can you can totally see it happening how A new governing Principal comes in and is like, hello We can't punish spirits
47:27
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to punish somebody for these fucking murders.
47:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they, you know, they, it's kind of crazy that it's like a two-fold system because they start to go after the villagers or the villagers are in a state of panic because they know all these upper men killings are taking place.
47:45
[SPEAKER_02]: The colonial people kind of coax confessions out of them that they did it.
47:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So on and so forth and the colonial people were
47:55
[SPEAKER_02]: because these people would have big fucking claw marks down them, but the colonial people said are decided like you made makeshift weapons out of leopard claws, and that's what you're using to kill these people.
48:12
[SPEAKER_02]: They completely explained it all the way, put in the ritual secret
48:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how they began to explain away these leopard men.
48:25
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so crazy.
48:26
[SPEAKER_02]: It is crazy.
48:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But you could see it happening.
48:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
48:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Coming to this uncertain crossroads.
48:34
[SPEAKER_02]: We were like, what the fuck?
48:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
48:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's crazy because once they made that distinction, it's like both side kind of doubled down.
48:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the colonial people were like, yeah, this is criminal activity.
48:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But the,
48:50
[SPEAKER_02]: the villagers and stuff were like, this is definitely leopard man and we're still scared.
48:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's like two worlds were in the same place, but they were separate, you know?
49:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's reminiscent of demonic possession where we're experiences fully believe that they're invested with some sort of malicious entity.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at science, they're like, no, you're not probably schizophrenia.
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to tell you.
49:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, these meds.
49:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very much in the same vein as that.
49:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
49:30
[SPEAKER_02]: What's crazy is that even when these people would partake in rituals or something of that nature and became the leopard man, it was always viewed as the one who became the leopard man didn't actually choose that path.
49:49
[SPEAKER_02]: So they described
49:51
[SPEAKER_02]: as are described as having compulsion, or some inevitability, obligation, or being used, almost like some type of cursed enforcer.
50:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So the way they explain it is that, even if you took part in a ritual, to become the
50:21
[SPEAKER_02]: that would coach you into doing that ritual to become the leopard man.
50:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So the leopard, it's almost like the leopard spirit made it inevitable for you to choose the leopard man.
50:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Does that make sense?
50:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird though.
50:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It is weird.
50:42
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like it makes it to where it's like, I'll Steve, we'll give you a choice by the same time they're not giving you a choice.
50:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's free will, but against your will.
50:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
50:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And it absolutely, it's like a, yeah, the manipulation of your free will.
50:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
50:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Which makes you feel like the leopard spirit is not that great of a spirit.
51:03
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
51:05
[SPEAKER_02]: The Leopardman weren't created in one way, which makes this kind of overall extremely interesting.
51:14
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that that's a fact that is insanely overlooked in other paranormal accounts.
51:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of these men were chosen by the leopard spirit, some inherited it, some crossed the line they couldn't come back from, and some weren't men at all.
51:30
[SPEAKER_02]: They were with the forest created when balance was broken, and that is fucking bizarre.
51:38
[SPEAKER_02]: When you strip away the technology, the special effects and the Hollywood framing, predator stops looking like a science fiction invention and starts looking like an old idea wearing a new mask.
51:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Long before the movie, people living besides the side dense jungles were already describing hunters that watch from the trees.
51:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Chosen one to be seen and killed not to eat but send a message.
52:03
[SPEAKER_02]: In Western Central Africa,
52:06
[SPEAKER_02]: beings believed to cross the boundary between human and animal, sanctioned not by human law but by the force itself.
52:13
[SPEAKER_02]: These weren't stories about a single monster, they were descriptions of a role of function, something that appeared at the edges of villages along force paths and in places where human authority weakened.
52:27
[SPEAKER_02]: People described bodies found displayed rather than consumed, tracks that vanished, silence falling over the jungle, and the feeling of being watched long before anything was seen.
52:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Some believed the leopard man was chosen by a spirit, others believed it was inherited.
52:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Others still said the forest created what it needed when balance was broken.
52:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But across regions, one idea stayed consistent.
52:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever this was, it was not just a man pretending to be an animal.
52:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where predator fits in, not as evidence.
52:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And not as history, but as reflection.
53:01
[SPEAKER_02]: The movie works because it taps into something ancient.
53:05
[SPEAKER_02]: The fear that in certain places humans are not the apex predator.
53:09
[SPEAKER_02]: The jungle has its own rules, and something can observe without being seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It also decides who is worthy prey, and disappears back into the trees without explanation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether people believe these encounters were spiritual, psychological, symbolic, or something else entirely, what matters is that people who experienced them believe they were real, and belief shapes behavior, fear, and survival.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe Predator wasn't inspired by a single secret mission or a hidden dossier, maybe it was inspired by something far more older, by generations of stories about hunters that don't belong to any unculture, any one time, or any one explanation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stories that keep resurfacing whenever human step deep enough into the wild to realize they're not alone, and never were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like, makes my brain kind of churn whenever it talks about the forest needing the leopardman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The forest has, or the jungle has to step in, and therefore throws out these leopardmen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me of other accounts like, what was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, the Nihini Valley, the valley of the head of this man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Words, it's almost like something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something supernatural, something of the forest is trying to keep people out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which also, like the way you word that makes me think of the natives and how they had four spirits, you know, spirits in the water.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Protectries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It practic, protectors.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And isn't it, to me, it's just so fascinating
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the Navajo had similar parallel belief systems that he's tribes in Africa up to the Nehini Valley in all over the planet, which at the time,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would I would venture to say that it would be extremely unlikely that these tribes all communicated with each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a me that is that is that is so fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is almost like it's similar similar entities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or at least entities paralleling each other across a multiple cultures, multiple times and it's like cultures trying to explain as best they can what these entities are and what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, for a lot of them, bad things in a suit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's why they get talked about so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've just just before how.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's ironic how a lot of the good ones don't ever get mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of the leopardman before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Me either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I was kind of stoked on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: find it and find things from different countries because we don't do a whole lot of different countries either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do 40 and 50, which is 50 states.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not 40 and 100,000 countries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many countries there are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not 100,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because like I said, I've found the leopard man, I've found essentially glamour man stories from other juggle countries a bunch of I found a bunch of like I think there was like three or four solid
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[SPEAKER_02]: Encounters like, you know, leopard men as an encounter or these shadow beings or another one, so on and so forth, the fit this narrative that I'm going to try to explore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And form this overarching predator series where these stories could have inspired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That movie, but furthermore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: information across the planet that seemed to fit into a category.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like how it kind of weaves in and out of other supernatural and paranormal beings and encounters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and with the next Leopard Min 1, you know, the, I don't imagine the secret society is going to exactly fit in with the parrot predator narrative, but I made the decision to go ahead and do it because I don't want to drop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: leopard men and then try to pick it back up later on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with the secret society version.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, well, I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll just do it and go ahead and get out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's going to be better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, hollow cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for hanging out with us today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Learn a little bit about some different cultures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the entities that they have had to deal with, which is, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a crazy that I looked in, and I've looked in as so much stuff never came across that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard about it either as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of isn't lightning, but there's so much stuff that we still don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The seven years deep,
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[SPEAKER_00]: we've heard and read some stuff yeah you feel like you feel like you've heard everything yeah and then you get something you're like oh shit this isn't it we go yeah happy Monday holocool thanks for hanging out with us thanks for choosing to kick it with us hope everybody who work week is going well and continues to go well so that being said check that dollar socials stay safe stay weird if you've ever if you've ever came across like
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[SPEAKER_00]: shiny man, shimmer man, predator beam, hit us up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have any theories on what these things could be, leave us some things in the comments, some good things.