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The Bolt Report | 30 June · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Is the reform.
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Speaker 2: Tonight Anthony Albinezi getting deeper into the Victorian government's corruption scandal,
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Speaker 2: and why are we paying for business class for climates?
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Speaker 2: Are Matt Kean when he's making money for himself from
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Speaker 2: the climate scare? Plus the Russian soldier who warned to
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Speaker 2: letting me put into talk to him about the disaster
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Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Ten million views he got, but guess what's
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Speaker 2: happened to him? And plenty more coming up, including Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 2: But first, don't tell me the culture wars don't count.
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Speaker 2: We have just learned that Australia's academic historians are not
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Speaker 2: interested in the truth, not interested in free speech, which
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Speaker 2: to me explains why so many damaging lies are told
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Speaker 2: in our universities, the school about us supposedly genocidal past.
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Speaker 2: Now when I say our academic historians they aren't interested
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Speaker 2: in the truth of the debate, I'm going by the
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Speaker 2: Australian Historical Association, which is just censored. A man who
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Speaker 2: has been a guest many times on this show sensored him,
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Speaker 2: banned him, suspended him, canceled his appearance yesterday at the
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Speaker 2: association's annual conference. Is Sydney had done that with less
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Speaker 2: than a day's notice. That man is Roger Cash is
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Speaker 2: a truth teller. The head of the website dark em
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Speaker 2: You exposed where he and his researchers and professional genealogists
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Speaker 2: have done truly astonishing work, as I've told you a
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Speaker 2: number of times, and that turns out to be what's horrified.
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Speaker 2: This Australian Historical Association, which is led by a group
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Speaker 2: of academics, many of them professors. For instance, darkim You exposed,
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Speaker 2: has done genealogical research which exposed that Professor Bruce Pasco or,
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Speaker 2: through the best seller Darchemu, exposed that he as just
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Speaker 2: as I had warned, was not actually Aboriginal, not what
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Speaker 2: he claimed. In fact, he is not one known Aboriginal ancestor.
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Speaker 2: Carsh and his team also joined me and others, including
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Speaker 2: belatedly academic anthropologists improving Pasco's book peddled a junk theory.
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Speaker 2: Now Pasco actually claimed Aborigines weren't originally hunt togetherers, but
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Speaker 2: farmers living in houses in towns of up to one
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Speaker 2: thousand people, towns of which magically not one trace remains.
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Speaker 2: The Pasco and his trash book were nevertheless promoted by
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Speaker 2: the ABC and in schools as the gospel truth, while
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Speaker 2: historians stayed mute or even praise Pasco. But you know,
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Speaker 2: Roger Carsh and his team helped expose the fakery. But
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Speaker 2: more than that, Carsianist Genialogi has also found an astonishing
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Speaker 2: number of university academics who claimed to be Aboriginal, some
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Speaker 2: even doing jobs meant for Aboriginies, but who did not
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Speaker 2: have a single Aboriginal ancestor in their available genealogical record.
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Speaker 2: Nor would any of these people who are now show
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Speaker 2: respond to request by Rajah Karsh and me to prove
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Speaker 2: they were indeed Aboriginal, you know, for show somehow that
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Speaker 2: we've made a mistake. I said to the guy Asi,
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm Aboriginal. That's that's my mum and my
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Speaker 2: nan have told us.
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Speaker 3: And we well, no, you can't tick that box, he says,
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Speaker 3: because you're not.
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Speaker 2: You know, you're too what.
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Speaker 4: Aboriginal denial of what to be recognized on old The
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Speaker 4: real world is not a safe place for Indigenous people.
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Speaker 5: Aboriginal Australians not only invented bread, they also invented society.
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Speaker 4: So I'm speaking to you today from that country which
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Speaker 4: is just borders on my mother's country. But I want
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Speaker 4: to welcome you by singing a song that Pemelway wrote
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Speaker 4: next slide, so that you can sing this song of
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Speaker 4: welcome wherever you go.
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna up my clap sticks.
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Speaker 4: Blah bara ma, I'm gonna wear borner.
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Speaker 6: I'm from the Gamarago and as I've said, the Gamaragal
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Speaker 6: are the people from this country and this is our
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Speaker 6: traditional land.
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Speaker 7: I'm narragu I'm from the snowy mountains in southeastern Australia.
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Speaker 8: That's my mob.
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Speaker 2: Now that last person you just heard there is Jacqueline Troy.
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Speaker 2: She's been a welcome speaker at two conferences so far
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Speaker 2: of this same Australian Historical Association. She's welcome because she
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Speaker 2: fits its gender agenda, and it's race and anti colonial
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Speaker 2: agenda too. And you know that kind of stuff gives
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Speaker 2: you a pass, especially when you are a so called
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Speaker 2: aboriginy to preach things like Troy's work on a suppose
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Speaker 2: Aboriginal periodic table, saying Indigenous people understand chemistry is something
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Speaker 2: that is deeply connected to us as people. I think
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Speaker 2: that's at the core of Indigenous science.
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Speaker 1: Right on.
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Speaker 2: You know, tribal Aborigines. They had that chemistry worked out,
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Speaker 2: the hydrogen, the nitrogen, the uranium. So not surprising then
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Speaker 2: that Troy is one of many academics who've been horrified
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Speaker 2: when Roger Caje comes in with his team to do
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Speaker 2: a fact check on them, and Troy responded with violent
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Speaker 2: false smears like these recorded in one of her lectures.
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Speaker 7: There are forty who started a blog called the Inux Guys.
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Speaker 7: Their mission is to external Abiginal people and they, I said,
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Speaker 7: if they can't destroy by the strolling and reputations, they
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Speaker 7: will wish.
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Speaker 2: To be shot. Seriously, should be shot. Cars are saying that, right,
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Speaker 2: are you kidding? Trying? A University of since apologized for
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Speaker 2: that defamation, admitted it is false after they were threatened
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Speaker 2: with legal action. But that tells you something about professional
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Speaker 2: historians and academics. And now this Australian Historical Association, it's
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Speaker 2: confirmed it it had invited to its conference not just Cars,
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Speaker 2: of course, but a bunch of others, including an historian
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Speaker 2: whose work Cars should also fact check, Stephen Gapps, who
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Speaker 2: promotes the myth also popular in universities that aborigines and
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Speaker 2: colonists fought real wars here that Aborigines fought his guerrillas
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Speaker 2: in wars of resistance really more like freedom fighters, not
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Speaker 2: just raiders. Micarje argued, you know that the evidence of
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Speaker 2: fact showed that this is an exaggeration, a highly political
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Speaker 2: one and of course, as you know, has been used
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Speaker 2: to demonise British settlement here. Well, this Stephen Gaps, it's
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Speaker 2: all cash listed as a speaker, made a big stink
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Speaker 2: about it. They said, I do not want to be
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Speaker 2: presenting at the same conference as the editor of the
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Speaker 2: darkim You exposed website at which I would have said
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Speaker 2: had I been the organizer, well see you later than petal.
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Speaker 2: We believe in debate, but O there's also complain You
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Speaker 2: had average and activists and academic Marshall Lantern she joined
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Speaker 2: in went to town in her usual way anonymous clowns.
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Speaker 2: They also posted abuse of average and academics still going
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Speaker 2: to the conference and legitimizing it with kosher and the
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Speaker 2: result is the association caved. It's secretary of a professor
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Speaker 2: from the University of New England, sent kash an email
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Speaker 2: on Sunday night telling him it is this invited, telling
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Speaker 2: him not to come. The next day because you know,
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Speaker 2: having viewed the contents of the website dark em you exposed,
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Speaker 2: the AH executive has made a decision to suspend your
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Speaker 2: membership while it investigates the claim of conduct unbecoming a
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Speaker 2: member or prejudicial to the interests of the association, whatever
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Speaker 2: that means. Because I mean, go to the website yourself,
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Speaker 2: look up darkm you exposed one word DARKMEU exposed dot org.
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Speaker 2: And you tell me what on there is a crime
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Speaker 2: against the truth or a crime against history or whatever.
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Speaker 2: What is the History and Historical Association actually trying to
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Speaker 2: cover up here? What debate? What truth does it want stifled? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I'd have to say it's no wonder at all that
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Speaker 2: so few university students now study history in our universities.
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Speaker 2: You get history departments being closed, No wonder so few
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Speaker 2: of the history bestsellers these days in the bookshops are
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Speaker 2: actually written by academic historians, no surprise, because you see
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Speaker 2: academics running so fast and so far from a teller
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Speaker 2: of truths, even of hard truths, which makes me certainly
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Speaker 2: not the only one. But then doesn't trust what they
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Speaker 2: preach and worse, what they teach our children. I was
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Speaker 2: showned earlier by Roger Karsh Roja Kash, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for your time. What specific reason were you given
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Speaker 2: for being banned?
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Speaker 8: Well, in the email, they told me that I had.
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Speaker 9: I had acted as an unbecoming member of the association,
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Speaker 9: and I was bringing the association into disrepute, right or
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Speaker 9: had been alleged that that was happening. That was what
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Speaker 9: I was doing.
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Speaker 2: How would you have done that?
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Speaker 8: Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 9: So they've suspended me for two weeks and they're saying
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Speaker 9: a review process is on. And so what happened is
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Speaker 9: I didn't initially respond to their So Richard Scully, I
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Speaker 9: think from the association, rang up to make sure I
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Speaker 9: had the email, and I think to make sure I
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Speaker 9: wasn't going to come in and do my presentation.
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Speaker 8: And I spoke to him on the phone.
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Speaker 9: I said, well, this is all allegations and it's not true,
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Speaker 9: and he goes, well, you'll be given adequate time and
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Speaker 9: the ability to put your case, but in the meantime
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Speaker 9: you're suspended for two weeks.
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Speaker 2: So guilty and to proven innocent all right now, I
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Speaker 2: have narrowed it down to a maybe it's because you
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Speaker 2: exposed people claim to be Aboriginal when the genealogical records
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Speaker 2: suggest they're not including people who have been honored or
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Speaker 2: valorized by the Historical Association, or it's because you fact
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Speaker 2: check one of the guys that stacked on a turn
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Speaker 2: that you were there, Stephen Gaps, what beef, but that
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Speaker 2: historian have with you that he refused to speak of
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Speaker 2: this conference if you were.
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Speaker 9: There, Well, it's very surprising because I know Stephen Apps's work.
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Speaker 9: I've bought all these books, I started them. It's a
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Speaker 9: very good historian. He goes into the records, gets all
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Speaker 9: the evidence and most of it's right. But my critique
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Speaker 9: is he gets the evidence, but then he he spins it.
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Speaker 9: So he's what we call a frontier War theorist. He
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Speaker 9: believes Australia wasn't settled relatively peacefully compared to the rest
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Speaker 9: of the world.
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Speaker 8: It was actually a war, all right.
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Speaker 9: So these people there they say the Frontier War was
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Speaker 9: very bloody, Australia was an invasion, aberageal people were killed
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Speaker 9: and massacred, and we say, look, you know there was
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Speaker 9: a lot of violence on the frontier, but it's not
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Speaker 9: actually a war.
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Speaker 8: It's not a formal war. Aboriginal people were.
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Speaker 9: British subjects, and we're British subjects. Our ancestors were settlers
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Speaker 9: were British subjects, and you can't have a war against
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Speaker 9: your own citizens. So I've critiqued that. I've said, look,
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Speaker 9: you know, and I've got Stephen's own figures. I think
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Speaker 9: he studied the whole of the Sydney area for the
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Speaker 9: first I think thirty years, twenty years, and I think
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Speaker 9: there were He said there were one hundred and thirty
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Speaker 9: Aboriginal people that were killed in island clashes with settlers.
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Speaker 9: Now that's one hundred and thirty people. It's regrettable, but
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Speaker 9: that's over thirty years. That's not a war. So we say, look,
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Speaker 9: you're extending the evidence. You're trying to make it look
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Speaker 9: like there was a war, and there was not. There
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Speaker 9: was a lot of conflict, a lot of fighting, a
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Speaker 9: lot of Aboriginal people came into the settlement, they didn't
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Speaker 9: want to fight. So it's a much more complicated, nuanced story.
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Speaker 9: And because I'm putting that forward and I'm going to
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Speaker 9: publish a book soon on it. For soon, the Frontier
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Speaker 9: was a myth all reality, and that goes against the
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Speaker 9: zeitgeist or the narrative that people like Stephen Gaps are
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Speaker 9: putting forward. So it's a bit poor, it's not very
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Speaker 9: academic just to walk out of the room because I'm
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Speaker 9: there to critique that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, with the Strange Historical Association as a dog in
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Speaker 2: this fight, as you know, I mean, they paid a
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Speaker 2: loving tribute to professor Linda Ryan, who was one of
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Speaker 2: the people who started this idea that there was a war,
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Speaker 2: a genocide, quite deliberate, et cetera, et cetera. And her
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Speaker 2: work was criticized by Keith Win Shuttle in The Fabrication
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Speaker 2: of Aboriginal History Volume one in particular, and that really
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Speaker 2: is horrified the professional historians. And now here you come
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Speaker 2: along stomping around saying, look, the evidence is there that
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Speaker 2: it is not a massive, you know, a war. Is
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Speaker 2: that really? Do you think your offense here?
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Speaker 8: It is in a way.
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Speaker 9: But I just like I totally often disagree with Lindall Ryan, Right,
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Speaker 9: So we used to argue in the Australian newspapers a
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Speaker 9: couple of arguments that she published her critique and the
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Speaker 9: people that worked for me published house. She emailed me
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Speaker 9: two or three times, so you could actually dialogue with
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Speaker 9: someone like Lindall Ryan because she's old school, right, so
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Speaker 9: she didn't agree with me, and she said a lot
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Speaker 9: of my work was ridiculous. But at least she interacted
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Speaker 9: with me, whereas the younger ones no matter if I
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Speaker 9: call Stephen Gapps this term, but is he a snowflake?
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Speaker 9: You know, he won't even engage with us. In the end,
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Speaker 9: he sort of says, well, if Roger is going to
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Speaker 9: be the conference, I'm going to go home to mummy.
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Speaker 8: I don't want to be there, which is not right.
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Speaker 9: He should be attacking my research and saying, look, Roger,
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Speaker 9: you're wrong because of this, You're wrong because of that,
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Speaker 9: And that's that's the bigger problem. It's not so much
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Speaker 9: that the frontier war theories, they're sort of the theories.
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Speaker 9: They're arguing with us. But at least in the old
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Speaker 9: days they argued with Keith winshadw they argued with him
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Speaker 9: a lot. But the big worry is now for free
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Speaker 9: speech is no argument anymore. These people just cancel you.
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Speaker 9: They don't even want to go there, which means you're
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Speaker 9: going to end society will end up with the wrong answers.
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Speaker 8: Because there's no free speech. You can't debate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, for him to have such tender feelings that
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Speaker 2: he can't even be in the same room as you
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Speaker 2: is One thing what I find discussing is that the
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Speaker 2: Australia Historical Association, which is run by academics, they are
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Speaker 2: so allergic to this that they have banned you. Now
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Speaker 2: there they've gone. They've got a bit of a history
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Speaker 2: in that when I mentioned Keith wind Shuttle, when he
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Speaker 2: proved that Linda Ryan had made pretty serious mistakes in
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Speaker 2: her book, they actually spent a whole day workshopping how
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Speaker 2: to get back at Keith wind Shuttle. And now they've
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Speaker 2: canceled you. So what does that tell you about this
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Speaker 2: association and the academics that it represents.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's not to be really trusted.
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Speaker 9: It's a sad indictment on their whole methodology because they
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Speaker 9: realized that perhaps they couldn't beat Keith wind Shuttle by
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Speaker 9: debating him, so they're not going to try that anymore.
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Speaker 9: So when people like ah come along, they don't even try.
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Speaker 9: They just they just cancel us. Right, So it's like
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Speaker 9: the Soviet Union. So I noticed someone sent me today.
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Speaker 9: I was on the program two days ago. But if
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Speaker 9: you go to the program today, my name's been blacked out.
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Speaker 8: It's with his photographs. They just sort of air brought
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Speaker 8: you out or.
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Speaker 9: I'm gone right, so and they think hopefully no one
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Speaker 9: will notice. So it's appalling, you know, It's what are
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Speaker 9: we And the thing is my understanding is the conference
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Speaker 9: is paid for by the Australian Defense Force, the Army.
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Speaker 8: They're sponsoring it. So why is this sponsor?
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Speaker 9: Why is the army sponsoring this instead of spending their
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Speaker 9: money on drones and bullets?
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Speaker 8: What's going on in this country?
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Speaker 9: And that's what we're trying to get publicity for. There
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Speaker 9: is something seriously wrong with these people and these organizations.
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Speaker 2: Roger khsh thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 8: All right, thank you, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: And what this conference has missed out as is Roger's
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Speaker 2: paper which says, originally historians are saying that at risdon
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Speaker 2: Cove Tasmania eighteen oh two, terrible massacre, fifty people maybe
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Speaker 2: murdered averiginally is murdered because a convict sends So I
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Speaker 2: was eyewitnesses says in eighteen you know, something like twenty
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Speaker 2: six years after the event. I was a witness. I
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Speaker 2: was a witness, except Roger's gone back and said, found
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Speaker 2: out this eyewitness didn't arrive in the colony until two
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Speaker 2: years later, and the true death hole is more than
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Speaker 2: two or three, which is regrettable, but it's not a massacre.
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Speaker 2: After the break, I hope you'll put that on his
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Speaker 2: website darkim youuexposed dot org. After the Breakmack Canavan and
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Speaker 2: corruption Anthony Albany easy let himself get sucked in today,
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Speaker 2: let himself get sucked into becoming complicit, turning a blind
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Speaker 2: eye to one of the most outrageous labor rots perpetrated
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Speaker 2: on taxpayers. Now it worked like this labor, specifically the
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Speaker 2: Victorian labor government. It decides to build massive new rail
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Speaker 2: of road prochase, including a rail loop that no one
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Speaker 2: ever asked for, and that means Victorian labour spent more
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Speaker 2: than one hundred billion dollars of your money on projects
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Speaker 2: the corrupt CFIU union effectively controlled, and the grateful c
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Speaker 2: a MEU paid in return millions of dollars in donations
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Speaker 2: to labor until labels shamed of demanding them. But worse,
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Speaker 2: the union decides which subcontractors and labor higher firms are winning.
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Speaker 2: Bitness pursues many with criminal links, but even the honest
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Speaker 2: subcontractors often fine, they must pay a fixer like Gangland
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Speaker 2: figure mcgatto to get industrial peace or just access to
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Speaker 2: their sites and taxpayers they have got to fund this
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Speaker 2: great corruption picnic and investigator QC Jeffrey Watson, as I
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Speaker 2: showed last night, this is the whole thinking mess involves
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Speaker 2: an estimated fifteen billion dollars of taxpace money stolen now
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Speaker 2: for two years. This has been known for two years.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Cinter Allen has done close to flat nothing
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Speaker 2: to stop it. And last night on the ABC Promness
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Speaker 2: was asked, well, what are you doing since Albanizi last
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Speaker 2: month gave Premier Allen nearly four billion dollars of your
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Speaker 2: money for her corruption riddled big Bill. This was his
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Speaker 2: non answer.
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Speaker 10: What there is evidence of corrupt conduct in any area
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Speaker 10: of Australian society. It's appropriate the authority, so police take action.
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Speaker 10: Peoplely charged and people had the book thrown at them.
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Speaker 6: But the police is simple.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it's not that simple at all. As investigative
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Speaker 2: reporter Nick Mackenzie, who's been on the beat on this
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Speaker 2: story for years now, reports, the police task force supposedly
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Speaker 2: tackling corruption on Labour's Big Bill says, well, they say
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Speaker 2: they've got limited authority to investigate. The lead detective said,
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Speaker 2: from a police perspective, it's not something that we have
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Speaker 2: the power to investigate unless we have a witness come
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Speaker 2: forward and say I was blackmailed to make a payment.
19:57
Speaker 2: I was extorted to make this payment and of course
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Speaker 2: they risk getting who knows what done to them. And
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Speaker 2: the Task Force boss is in no doubt the Labour's
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Speaker 2: Big Build is raughted, saying a select number of organized
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Speaker 2: crime figures are adapting an organized crime model to apply
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Speaker 2: it in any way that they can to secure the
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Speaker 2: most amount of money they can under contracts for the
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Speaker 2: Big Build. There's no doubt that that's been happening. So
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Speaker 2: Albani Si today was asked again in Parliament about the
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Speaker 2: billions of your money that he was handing to a
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Speaker 2: big build that was so corrupted, and this time he
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Speaker 2: hid behind the Victorian Labor government. That's actually covering up.
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Speaker 2: That's actually incurious, that's actually refusing any Royal commission into this.
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Speaker 11: What assurances was the Prime Minister given by the Victorian
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Speaker 11: premier on whether Commonwealth taxpayer funds directly or indirectly made
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Speaker 11: it into the hands of convicted criminal and underworld feed
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Speaker 11: Mick Gatto or any of his associated companies.
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Speaker 10: In twenty twenty four, the Commonwealth puts specific provisions in
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Speaker 10: funding agreements with states and territories that place obligations on
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Speaker 10: jurisdictions to report any allegations of unacceptable behavior. Victoria continues
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Speaker 10: to keep the com Wealth informed of the work that
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Speaker 10: they've done to strengthen the integrity processes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Victorian government tell them the truth, wouldn't it.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is our Tuesday regular commentator Mat Canavan now
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Speaker 2: the National's leader. Mat, great to see you. Something stinks here, It.
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Speaker 1: Certainly does, Andrew.
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Speaker 12: It seems to be an example of he no Sin,
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Speaker 12: no evil and spell no evil too, because there is
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Speaker 12: a large stench coming from a failing Victorian government. And
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Speaker 12: the best you can say for the Prime Minister and
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Speaker 12: the federal labor parties that they're turning a blind eye
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Speaker 12: to this situation despite heading over billions of dollars of
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Speaker 12: your money.
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Speaker 1: But the worst is the question.
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Speaker 12: The question has to be asked, given this in curious attitude,
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Speaker 12: are they in on all of this? I mean, why
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Speaker 12: aren't they trying to get to the bottom of what's
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Speaker 12: going on in Victoria when the federal government is handing
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Speaker 12: over billions of dollars of your cash to go to
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Speaker 12: that state, to go to these projects that now have
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Speaker 12: this stench around them. Given this excellent reporting, investigative reporting
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Speaker 12: that's been done, it's exposed some terrible, terrible, shocking conduct
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Speaker 12: that's occurring on our building sites, misogynistic conduct, and potentially
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Speaker 12: potentially allegations of corrupt conduct as well.
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Speaker 1: There are billions of dollars to stake here.
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Speaker 12: We're not talking about small change, and all of that
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Speaker 12: costs us more money because the reason, one of the
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Speaker 12: big reasons the government has to jack up taxes on
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Speaker 12: you is because they've wasted billions of dollars of your money,
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Speaker 12: either through dodgy deals like this or through the wasteful
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Speaker 12: ndis and everyone then has to pay, and people have
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Speaker 12: had a gutfull of it. We need a government that's
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Speaker 12: disciplined with spending again, because that's the only way to
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Speaker 12: take pressure of inflation rate which is the highest in
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Speaker 12: the developed world and was so before the Iran crisis,
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Speaker 12: and interest rates too, which are now going up thanks
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Speaker 12: this wasteful spending.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's such a spaceful spending, Matt, I've got to
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Speaker 2: tell you, living here, you should see the crime rate here,
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Speaker 2: the empowered games that are now burning places down that
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Speaker 2: they don't like if you don't pay sauce money. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just unbelievable. What's been happening to Victoria. Meanwhile, uproar
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Speaker 2: in Parliament today you had Coalition MP at Garth Heilton
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Speaker 2: yelling effing Bultish or something like that and storming out
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Speaker 2: of question time after Labor Minister Christy McBain lied about
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Speaker 2: Opposition leadering the SLOR claiming it insulted firefighters at a
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Speaker 2: public meeting.
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Speaker 13: Here is the leader of the Opposition stood at a
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Speaker 13: precipice in front of people, pointed the finger at rural
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Speaker 13: firefighters saying that they let the two thousand and three
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Speaker 13: Snowy Mountains bushfires run. That is absolutely shameful. I am disgusted.
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Speaker 2: Now Taylor hadn't done that at all, but he did
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Speaker 2: outrage the New South Wales National Packs and Wildlife Service
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Speaker 2: by claiming it had let the fire in the Kosioska
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Speaker 2: National Pack rip. This is what he said. National Parks.
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Speaker 1: See, we're not going to put him out because we
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Speaker 1: believe in wilderness.
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Speaker 2: Now we got to let it go and we saw
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Speaker 2: the most devastating fire and we've never seen through this Africa.
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Speaker 2: So he explaining the bureaucracy, not the firefighters. It's Amus
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Speaker 2: Taylor raight.
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Speaker 1: He's spot on, spot on Andrew.
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Speaker 12: It's a bit personal for me because I lived in
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Speaker 12: Camber during the two thousand and three bushfires, which were devastating.
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Speaker 12: People died, hundreds of homes were lost, and I can't believe,
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Speaker 12: I can't fathom that Minister McBain has misled Parliament that way.
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Speaker 12: And she's done that because she should know too. She
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Speaker 12: lives in this region, as broader region in southern New
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Speaker 12: South Wales. As a shocking incident, shocking mismanagement. And it's
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Speaker 12: not me saying that everyone knew that after the event.
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Speaker 12: Not long after the event, two commissioned reports into those
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Speaker 12: bush fires found gross inadequacies in the management of bushfire
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Speaker 12: risk and the initial incident. These fires burned or started
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Speaker 12: on the eighth of January, about ten days before they
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Speaker 12: hit Canberra. And I'll just reach here. I pulled it
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Speaker 12: up today because as I said, we all knew this,
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Speaker 12: we all need these conclusions. The McLoud report commissioned by
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Speaker 12: the Act government found that the inquiries of the view
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Speaker 12: that the fires might have been contained had they been
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Speaker 12: attacked more aggressively in the twenty four hours after they
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Speaker 12: broke out. The coroner's report was more damning and said
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Speaker 12: that the cabinets, that's the Act Labor Cabinet, generally knew
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Speaker 12: a potential disaster was on Canbra's doorstep, but did nothing,
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Speaker 12: did nothing to ensure that the camera community was warned
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Speaker 12: promptly and effectively. I mean, that's who Angus Taylor was attacking.
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Speaker 12: He was attacking the authorities here who grossly mismanaged the risk.
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Speaker 12: People died, people lost their houses, and now the Labor
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Speaker 12: Party has the affront to come in and defend their
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Speaker 12: own mob once again, just like to see ifmau Just
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Speaker 12: like the Victoria Labor government, blood runs thicker in the
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Speaker 12: Labor Party than anyone else in this country and they
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Speaker 12: defend their own when there were clear conclusions here of
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Speaker 12: shocking mismanagement which caused deaths, which caused people lose their homes.
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Speaker 1: Angus is absolutely right.
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Speaker 12: This was a consequence of locals being taken out, local
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Speaker 12: firefighters being taken away from the job they wanted to
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Speaker 12: do and being directed by higher authorities who knew nothing
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Speaker 12: what they were doing. And that's actually a good description
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Speaker 12: of the mismanagement of our country by this labor government.
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Speaker 2: Amount of time. But I need to ask you this
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Speaker 2: one thing that discussed me, and this is about one nation,
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Speaker 2: is this campaign to paint war hero Ben Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: as a victim of a dirty campaign to convictim as
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Speaker 2: a war criminal. And then you get this savaging of
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Speaker 2: opportually front bencher Andrew Hasty, a former SS captain, for
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Speaker 2: being one of half a dozen soldiers who gave evidence
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Speaker 2: against Ben Robert Smith. Hasted today said it was now
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Speaker 2: war with one nation. After the threats he'd been getting
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Speaker 2: have looked.
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Speaker 12: I have to get more security from my own family
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Speaker 12: home and for my office.
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Speaker 1: So it's personal.
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Speaker 2: Too few people mad have had the guts to call
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Speaker 2: out what's going on here because there are too many
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Speaker 2: very powerful Ben Robert Smith backers. What do you make
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Speaker 2: of it?
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Speaker 12: Andrew Hasty is a national hero. He served our country
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Speaker 12: as a hero of mine. We should get back to
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Speaker 12: supporting all of our veterans. If one nation and all
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Speaker 12: the people out there that sometimes throw mard if they
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Speaker 12: do truly support defense forces and our veterans.
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Speaker 1: They've should support all of them now.
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Speaker 12: I also I also think Ben roberts to Smith deserves
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Speaker 12: support in as anyone would to make sure that he
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Speaker 12: does not unfairly tried.
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Speaker 1: He deserves a fair trial.
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Speaker 12: I also have great respect for the acts of valor
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Speaker 12: that Ben Robert Smith did for our nation and received
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Speaker 12: the Victoria Cross, received a high the word for we
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Speaker 12: have to return to a country a situation that unites
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Speaker 12: our country and unites all of us. Now we also
28:06
Speaker 12: have a system of laws, and someone has been charged
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Speaker 12: here and we have to go through that process. You
28:10
Speaker 12: need to approach it like an adult, like an adult country,
28:12
Speaker 12: as we always have been, and that includes showing respect
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Speaker 12: for all very true to serve our nation. I've got
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Speaker 12: respect for all of them, including Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 2: And I don't believe in the intimidation of witnesses or
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Speaker 2: potential witnesses either. Matt Canavan, thank you so much, indeed
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Speaker 2: for your time, really appreciated. After the break, the Russian
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Speaker 2: soldier called that Russian war criminal Vladimir Putin crazy brave.
28:43
Speaker 2: Ignore me, if I'm second guessing myself, I've got the
28:45
Speaker 2: same thing. Is you feeling that I said the Rigidon
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Speaker 2: rock Cove massacre was in eighteen o two. It was
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Speaker 2: an eighteen oh four. Ignore what I've my correction if
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Speaker 2: I didn't say eighteen o two, but it was eighteen
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Speaker 2: oh four. But more seriously, I've never seen a crazier
29:02
Speaker 2: so called peace steel as the one that Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: signed with Iran. And it's not just because he made
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Speaker 2: this peace just when he had the Iranian regime by
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Speaker 2: the throat right, how did it his mercy? In the
29:14
Speaker 2: past few days, for instance, we've under this peace, we've
29:17
Speaker 2: seen Iran that actually attacked two ships in the straight
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Speaker 2: up muz The US then bomb Iran. Iran then attacked
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Speaker 2: two Gulf states with drones, and the US President himself
29:28
Speaker 2: sounded today like he's half expecting the whole piece thing
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Speaker 2: to fall to bits. Is negotiated its meat in Qatar
29:34
Speaker 2: around now actually to work out what it is they're
29:38
Speaker 2: agreeing to with Iran's nuclear weapons and so forth. The
29:45
Speaker 2: meeting in Doha is going to be perhaps important, perhaps
29:50
Speaker 2: we're going to find out, But what's really big and
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Speaker 2: barely reported is what's going on behind the scenes that
30:00
Speaker 2: could determine not just who takes over in Iran, which
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Speaker 2: is the world's biggest terrorist state, but who takes over
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Speaker 2: from Trump as the head of the world's most powerful
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Speaker 2: military country. Now first in the US. You may have
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Speaker 2: seen last week, You're Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who
30:18
Speaker 2: wants to be the next president succeed Trump. See Rubio
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Speaker 2: the signing of a piece that with Lebanon that commits
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Speaker 2: the Lebanese army to disarm and take over the territory
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Speaker 2: of the Hesbela terrorist army in the south that Iran
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Speaker 2: actually funds to attack Israel, except, of course Hesbelad denounces
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Speaker 2: his piece the ill too obviously, as does the speaker
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Speaker 2: of Lebanon's parliament. So you know, I don't have that
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Speaker 2: much hope in it. But what's important about this deal
30:46
Speaker 2: is that it Trump, so to speak, it Trump's the
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Speaker 2: peace deal that Rubio's rival to succeed Trump, his rival,
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Speaker 2: Vice President jade E Vance, that he made with Iran
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Speaker 2: in Switzerland that says Iran and Hesbela they've got to
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Speaker 2: just stop fighting straight away, which effectively left Israel Hesbela's mercy.
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Speaker 2: So here's Rubio supposedly sending in the Lebanese cavalry to
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Speaker 2: help and if Hesbelah resists, well, of course, then Israel
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Speaker 2: can go back to fighting, and Rubio pro Israel then
31:20
Speaker 2: wins over vance more anti Israel. Fascinating, but the split
31:26
Speaker 2: in Iran's leadership is even more dramatic. Trump's piece deal
31:30
Speaker 2: is with Iran's corrupt Speaker of Palamerhammad Gullabaf, but he's
31:35
Speaker 2: now been attacked by sixty of the eighty four members
31:39
Speaker 2: of Iran's Council of Experts. That's a big body stacked
31:44
Speaker 2: with clerics, which chooses the country's supreme leader, the Ayatollah,
31:49
Speaker 2: and says that Trump. It now says Trump must be killed,
31:54
Speaker 2: the strait of Homus must be closed, the nuclear weapons
31:58
Speaker 2: program mustn't be screed. And if the government does any
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Speaker 2: of this, if it sells out to Trump on any
32:03
Speaker 2: of this, it's cross the red religious line. So it
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Speaker 2: sounds to me, I mean, they would later rebuked by
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Speaker 2: the Secretariat, you know, all that kind of stuff. But
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Speaker 2: it sounds to me like the ultra ultra religious extreme
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Speaker 2: Cineran are losing power. We shall see join me is
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Speaker 2: Peter Jennings. Peter Jennings has been a Sky and News
32:29
Speaker 2: defense analysts. Now after being a top official in defense
32:32
Speaker 2: and intelligence, and I can't read out all this qualifications
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Speaker 2: to speak to you tonight. But Peter, this is some
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Speaker 2: strange peace deal. We're both sides seem to be arguing
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Speaker 2: amongst each other. If they even agree to it, how
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Speaker 2: do you think this is going to shake out?
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Speaker 5: It's the peace deal you have when you don't have
32:49
Speaker 5: a peace deal, Andrew, I can't see any progress being
32:54
Speaker 5: made at Doha in the next twenty four hours or
32:56
Speaker 5: indeed as we go into the future, because the Iranians
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Speaker 5: fundamentally are not prepared to give ground on the issues
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Speaker 5: that the Americans most want them to. That is to say,
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Speaker 5: the nuclear weapons program, the ideology which calls for the
33:13
Speaker 5: destruction of Israel, that the ambition to be the dominant
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Speaker 5: country in the Middle East. It seems to me that
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Speaker 5: that is still locked into the Iranian leaderships thinking about
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Speaker 5: what they need to do.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, the opposition that.
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Speaker 5: You've referred to in Tehran is even more extreme in
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Speaker 5: terms of what they want the country to do. Iran's objective,
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Speaker 5: I think here is to keep the Americans sort of
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Speaker 5: locked into a process of talks which never quite resolve.
33:48
Speaker 5: And here I think the mistake that Donald Trump is
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Speaker 5: making is that he's already front end loading concessions to them. So,
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Speaker 5: for example, Iran is now re exporting oil and the
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Speaker 5: income that comes from the exportation of that oil, So
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Speaker 5: they're starting to rebuild their balance sheet, They're starting to
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Speaker 5: rearm and to make themselves stronger after the pounding that
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Speaker 5: they received over the last few months. I think Trump
34:16
Speaker 5: has met his match when it comes to the art
34:19
Speaker 5: of the deal, and it's the Iranian leadership. So expect
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Speaker 5: no real peace. Expect I think continued military clashes now
34:28
Speaker 5: and again differences over negotiations, and that I think could
34:33
Speaker 5: draw out for most of the rest of this year.
34:37
Speaker 5: And probably Trump will accept that because I think what
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Speaker 5: he wants to do is to have things looking like
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Speaker 5: they're more at peace than at war as they get
34:44
Speaker 5: to the American midterm elections in November. But fundamentally, no
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Speaker 5: real change to Iranian ambitions.
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Speaker 2: Look, I tend to agree with you very very much
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Speaker 2: for those who think that Up is playing four D chests,
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, well, it could be that by
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Speaker 2: giving them these oil sales now, he is strengthening the
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Speaker 2: hand of that gullabuff character and undermining the ultra ultra
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Speaker 2: ultra radicals that won him turfed out. So who knows,
35:16
Speaker 2: but I suspect you are actually right. Meanwhile, in Russia, Peter,
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Speaker 2: this has been fascinating President Vladimir Putin. You know, he
35:23
Speaker 2: had his power challenge once before by you know that
35:29
Speaker 2: Wagner group boss with then he blew the guy's jet
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Speaker 2: out of the sky. So that was the end of that.
35:35
Speaker 2: But he's had his power challenge again after four years
35:37
Speaker 2: of war in Ukraine that he can't win this time.
35:40
Speaker 2: A veteran of that war, Alexander Lernan, has really no
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Speaker 2: account whatsoever, but he warned Putin last week to meet
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Speaker 2: him or else.
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Speaker 14: Here is yesterday I was met by representatives of the
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Speaker 14: high ranks of the Ministry of Defense of the Security Forces,
35:56
Speaker 14: and they gave a message to Vladimir Vladimirrovitch put him
36:00
Speaker 14: that if he won't give an audience in a live
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Speaker 14: broadcast where I will tell the whole truth about what
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Speaker 14: is happening in our country at the moment, tens hundreds
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Speaker 14: thousands of our soldiers are in prison. They are punished
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Speaker 14: by their commanders. They are sitting rotting, being tortured and raped,
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Speaker 14: by the so called Gestapo for refusing to carry out stupid,
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Speaker 14: suicidal orders. Vladimir Vladimirovitch, pay attention to this, invite me
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Speaker 14: to you.
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Speaker 2: The consequences will be very serious.
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Speaker 14: If in the near future I won't come to the
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Speaker 14: Kremlin and won't give a speech in a live broadcast
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Speaker 14: next to you, the army will deploy its weapons against
36:45
Speaker 14: the Kremlin.
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Speaker 2: Peter that video is fewed more than ten million times.
36:52
Speaker 2: Are the soldiers, Russian soldiers and spartisan certain threats of
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Speaker 2: their own, except Lunan has now been reportedly child. What
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Speaker 2: does this tell you, though, about what Putin's authority is
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Speaker 2: amounting to at the moment.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think the most telling statistic here is that
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Speaker 5: the Russians are losing between thirty and thirty five thousand
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Speaker 5: people killed in battle every month in the war in.
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Speaker 2: Ukraine and getting nowhere.
37:20
Speaker 5: In fact, it's the Ukrainians which are on the offensive
37:24
Speaker 5: right now, pushing further and further into Russia with their drones,
37:29
Speaker 5: attacking Russian critical infrastructure, even attacking Moscow from time to time.
37:35
Speaker 5: And it seems to me that what this Russian individual,
37:39
Speaker 5: Alexander Luhman has done has just pointed to the unsustainability
37:43
Speaker 5: of Russian military tactics. You know, the Russian military has
37:46
Speaker 5: a history of rebelling against the leaders when the killing
37:49
Speaker 5: gets too great, and that is where I think they're at.
37:52
Speaker 5: Those casualty figures are just not sustainable. The other thing
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Speaker 5: I'd say is that that video was three years to
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Speaker 5: the day from the Wagner Group's brief revolution against the
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Speaker 5: Russian government where they started to drive towards Moscow and
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Speaker 5: then ultimately wor stopped.
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Speaker 1: Lunan's future itself.
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Speaker 5: Is probably pretty bleak, I imagine, Andrew, But I think the message.
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Speaker 2: That Frutum will be taking from it is.
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Speaker 5: That he can't rely on his own military and that
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Speaker 5: to me says, no, he's really blink. He's hanging by
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Speaker 5: the fingernails here.
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Speaker 2: Both freadh Blink is a mild word to put on.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be selling him in life insurance just at
38:34
Speaker 2: this point. Peter Jennings, thank you so much for your time.
38:39
Speaker 2: After the break, why are we paying business class for climates?
38:42
Speaker 2: Are Matt Keen when it's on the trip making money
38:45
Speaker 2: out of the climates scared the panel after this? This
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Speaker 2: is so revealing, Matt Kean the former New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Liberal treasurer now head of the ABDS. He governs Climate
38:59
Speaker 2: Change Authority. He's under fire for getting tax Paces to
39:03
Speaker 2: pay for his thirty two thousand dollars trip business class
39:06
Speaker 2: to not a nation's global warming conference in Brazil, even
39:09
Speaker 2: though he appeared there on a panel sponsored by his
39:12
Speaker 2: private employer. He appeared on a panel sponsored by Willemay Capital,
39:17
Speaker 2: which invests in businesses reducing greenhouse scasubmissions. Global warming is
39:24
Speaker 2: a business and Keen is Willhema's head of fundraising, joining me.
39:30
Speaker 2: Amir Schlift, executive director of the Samuel Griff Society. Peter mcgarren,
39:33
Speaker 2: former Federal Nationals Minister. Peter the Climate Change Authority says,
39:38
Speaker 2: hang on, you know Keen's travel, that was an important
39:41
Speaker 2: part of the chairman's role. Is that actually a good
39:45
Speaker 2: enough excuse for Taxpace to pick up the bill?
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Speaker 1: No, not for a moment.
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Speaker 6: And the political class wonder Andrew why there's such widespread
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Speaker 6: political citizen to the point where the primary vote of
39:58
Speaker 6: the two major parties doesn't even meet fifty percent. So
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Speaker 6: it's because of the obvious disregard of people's common sense
40:09
Speaker 6: and sensitivity. Is about jaunts of this kind. But bear
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Speaker 6: in mind, Andrew, the bigger conflict of interest is the
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Speaker 6: dual position Matt keenholds. He's chairman of a slant advisory
40:23
Speaker 6: body on climate change for the government, and he's basically
40:27
Speaker 6: working for an investment bank that takes money from the
40:30
Speaker 6: private sector to invest in climate change projects. Now that
40:35
Speaker 6: is intolerable and should not be allowed to continue.
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Speaker 2: Mia. Isn't that exactly what is just shown here that
40:43
Speaker 2: he says is there on the climate change authority, this
40:47
Speaker 2: government body's business making money on the side for his company. Now,
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Speaker 2: isn't that a perfect example of perception of conflict of interest?
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, Andrews, it is a perfect example of that conflict
41:06
Speaker 15: of interest. And I think what it also shows is
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Speaker 15: that zero there is a net zero economy. Net zero
41:12
Speaker 15: ideology has established this net zero economy, which makes it
41:16
Speaker 15: so difficult to untangle Australia from these net zero commitments
41:21
Speaker 15: because there is a whole swathe of businesses and individuals
41:25
Speaker 15: and advocates who will be financially harmed if we don't
41:29
Speaker 15: continue with net zero. So I think the fact that
41:33
Speaker 15: we have an individual whose job it is is to
41:36
Speaker 15: invise government about this nation's best interest who can either
41:40
Speaker 15: be harmed or helped by tabling certain recommendations. And the
41:45
Speaker 15: fact that the government is not calling out that very
41:49
Speaker 15: very blatant conflict really just goes the heart of the
41:52
Speaker 15: problem with is net zero. It is there to serve
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Speaker 15: a certain group of insiders who are set to benefit
41:57
Speaker 15: from these policies, whilst the rest of us, the outs,
42:00
Speaker 15: are the ones who have to bear the repercussions, whether
42:03
Speaker 15: that be higher energy bills, whether that be affected food security,
42:07
Speaker 15: whether that be the type of cars we're now allowed
42:09
Speaker 15: to drive, or the type of food we can eat.
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Speaker 15: It affects our everyday lives. Yet it is this insider
42:14
Speaker 15: class that will continue to drive these policies forward.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Pauline Hanson, Peter, she's been attacking multiculturalism. It stuns
42:26
Speaker 2: me that so many Liberals are rubbishing her, misrepresenting her,
42:29
Speaker 2: taking her out of context, rather than take this rare
42:33
Speaker 2: chance at last for a serious discussion on a public
42:37
Speaker 2: policy that I think should alarm any party that says
42:41
Speaker 2: it stands for individualism and pride in country. Though, the
42:44
Speaker 2: latest liberal to be idiotic about what Hanson said is
42:48
Speaker 2: the Liberal leader in the act. Here he is what
42:51
Speaker 2: rubbish is that? What is that?
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Speaker 1: Now?
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Speaker 3: I just want to say, for the record, I'm married
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Speaker 3: to a beautiful Columbian woman and as such is a
43:00
Speaker 3: genuinely bilingual household. He pull in seputa ir l diablo,
43:08
Speaker 3: she can go to hell like Honestly, she's not going
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Speaker 3: to tell us what language we speak in our home.
43:15
Speaker 2: Now, Peter, Obviously no one is telling me you can't
43:18
Speaker 2: speak Spanish from dawn to dusk and swear in Spanish
43:21
Speaker 2: all he likes? Why reacts so stupidly when there is
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Speaker 2: a serious debate to be had?
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Speaker 1: Oh, exactly right, Andrew.
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Speaker 6: All I can say is if you've ever wondered why
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Speaker 6: the act Liberals have been in opposition and out of
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Speaker 6: government for more than thirty years Exhibit A. But more
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Speaker 6: more importantly is the broader point you make, which is
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Speaker 6: why can't the Liberals just tackle the issues, debate them
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Speaker 6: and get in step with the Australian community instead of
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Speaker 6: attacking one Nay, they're not going to get anywhere attacking
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Speaker 6: one nation on multiculturalism, immigration, gender identity and so on.
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Speaker 1: So it's a fool's Errand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I tell you what, it's not pauling your
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Speaker 2: hands it's going to stop me speaking Dutch at home.
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Speaker 2: It's a bloody Dutch soccer team. But anyway, Mia, this
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Speaker 2: whole debate, you know, the Liberals have run away from it.
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Speaker 2: It's handed them on a plate and all they can
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Speaker 2: do is scream abuse. It seems that Pauline Hanson isn't
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Speaker 2: this something that they could say, Look, we are a
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Speaker 2: party that can discuss this intelligently, far more intelligently than
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Speaker 2: one nation. Let's make it our own. I would have thought, here, welcome,
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Speaker 2: it's a genuine problem, this multiculturalism.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, I would have thought Andrew that this would be
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Speaker 15: the perfect opportunity for the Liberal Party to display their
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Speaker 15: policy platform. But at the end of the day, the
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Speaker 15: problem is is a Liberal party can't advocate for any
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Speaker 15: policies because it hasn't done the groundwork to actually establish
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Speaker 15: what its values are and what it actually is that
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Speaker 15: the party stands for. So when we have issues like this,
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Speaker 15: it arise about debates such as multiculturalism, which I would
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Speaker 15: have thought is a pretty fundamental It go to the
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Speaker 15: heart of what the Liberal Party stands for. They completely
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Speaker 15: just lose their heads and they're unable to engage, and
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Speaker 15: you've got leaders like this who are just running around
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Speaker 15: making childish comments as if the debate about multiculturalism has
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Speaker 15: anything to do with what language individuals are speaking at home,
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Speaker 15: or what restaurants we have on the street, or what
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Speaker 15: music and dance festivals we have. That is completely misrepresenting
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Speaker 15: the argument that Pauline Hansen was making. What she was
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Speaker 15: really talking about, and what I think the Liberal Party
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Speaker 15: should seriously engage in, because so many Australians are concerned
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Speaker 15: about it, is the fact that we are importing on
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Speaker 15: in mass a group many individuals who are not being
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Speaker 15: discriminated against on the basis of values. And there are
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Speaker 15: many cultures around the world who hold values that are
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Speaker 15: fundamentally incompatible with the Australian.
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Speaker 5: Way of life.
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Speaker 15: Now, I think that's a pretty sensible debate to be
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Speaker 15: having in this country. And the fact that we have
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Speaker 15: members of the Liberal Party who are just taking it
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Speaker 15: all as a joke and making childish station statements just
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Speaker 15: as these, well, I really think that shows why the
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Speaker 15: Liberal Party is blead and serious.
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Speaker 2: Oh look it's so, but Peter, it must really break
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Speaker 2: your heart, you know, because you were a minister in
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Speaker 2: a very good coalition government. But to see the coalition
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Speaker 2: brought so low, the Nationals facing extinction, the Liberals facing extinction,
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Speaker 2: or am I being too gloomy about it? I get
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Speaker 2: so much abuse on text from viewers to say talking up.
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Speaker 2: You know you've got to cheer them on, but what
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Speaker 2: do you think?
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Speaker 1: Look, it has dawned on them.
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Speaker 6: It's an existincial crisis for them. I do believe, given
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Speaker 6: the size, the history, the infrastructure crumbling and decrepit, though
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Speaker 6: it obviously isn't devoid of widespread talent. I do think
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Speaker 6: the two parties will continue in whatever form. Is another
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Speaker 6: debate into the future. But they've got many years, probably
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Speaker 6: three four electoral cycles before they could ever return to
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Speaker 6: governing in their own right, So there's many ways they
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Speaker 6: can do it. The problem, Mander, is that half the
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Speaker 6: time their commentators here one more liberal voice their opinion,
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Speaker 6: particularly Melissa Macintosh or Andrew Hasty on what the partieshill
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Speaker 6: be doing. You're a shadow minister, attack labor, develop policies,
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Speaker 6: win the public debate. So the Liberals are a long
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Speaker 6: long way from even getting the fundamentals of a professional
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Speaker 6: opposition in place. But they've got so much history they're
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Speaker 6: not going to disappear overnight.
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Speaker 2: Well to viewers who are upset that the Liberals are
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Speaker 2: being talked down, just send your emails this thunder Peter
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Speaker 2: Peter mcgarrant. I'll give his details later, but Mia, are
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Speaker 2: you as gloomy about the Liberal's future as Peter is?
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Speaker 15: Look Andrew, I think I might be. I think there
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Speaker 15: is a real risk. I agree that maybe the Liberal
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Speaker 15: Party won't disappear completely, but there is a risk that
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Speaker 15: it may just fade from relevance. I think the days
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Speaker 15: of these major parties are existing just because they're a
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Speaker 15: major party. I think that's over. I think Australians are
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Speaker 15: tired of seeing the UNI Party in action and that's
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Speaker 15: why they're turning their votes elsewhere. And I think the
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Speaker 15: Liberal Party really needs to stop with the social media
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Speaker 15: stunts and the stunts in Parliament and actually get serious
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Speaker 15: and doing the groundwork and working out what it is
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Speaker 15: they actually serious.
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Speaker 2: Serious is the word a really intellectual grunt now, Peter
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Speaker 2: mcgariny Ashleick, thank you very much to you both. I
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Speaker 2: do apologize the yours for dropping the B word earlier,
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Speaker 2: but if you've sat through a yet another losing penalty
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Speaker 2: shoot by your team, well you'll understand soccer lovers will stand.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me. Coming up next is The Sherry
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Speaker 2: Markson Show, hosted by Kroln Marcus, Goodnight,