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Credlin | 5 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up the program to see him. A catastrophic event of
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Speaker 2: Victorian wind farm this week, more leaders coming out and
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Speaker 2: building the cat on net zero. Tell you what energy
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Speaker 2: Emperor Chris Bowen's got no clothes. Australians are waking up
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Speaker 2: to his renewable only madness the riviera of the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: at least that's the plan for Donald Trump called everyone
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Speaker 2: off guard today, didn't he his announcement about redeveloping Gaza.
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Speaker 2: So in practical terms, what will this look like? Including
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Speaker 2: the concern about troops on the ground in this terror hotspot?
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Speaker 2: How much appetite does the US public really have for
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Speaker 2: a protracted military stay. Two of the best, Chris Ullman
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Speaker 2: and Greg Sheridan way in with their analysis. Plus, it
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be a sitting week without some sort of outburst
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Speaker 2: from Lydia Thorpe. She's outdone herself this time. But the
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Speaker 2: young pro nuclear campaigners their ground and they had her measure.
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Speaker 2: Blot Thickens to the Prime Minister remain in Koy about
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Speaker 2: what he knew about the new South Wales terravan and
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Speaker 2: when now best he's avasive, but worse, there's a real
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Speaker 2: prospect our Prime Minister's being kept out of the loop,
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Speaker 2: or he doesn't care enough to even ask.
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Speaker 3: When did the Prime Minister first become aware of the
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Speaker 3: planned mass casualty terror attack against Sydney's Jewish community?
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Speaker 4: When was the Prime Minister first informed of the planned
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Speaker 4: mass casualty terror attack?
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Speaker 3: Why can't the Prime Minister just be honest with the
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Speaker 3: Ustralian people?
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Speaker 2: But first, all the national security issues to one side.
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Speaker 2: The one thing that makes us more vulnerable than anything
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Speaker 2: else is the state of energy in this country. Energy
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Speaker 2: is essential to our economy because without electricity, gas and oil,
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Speaker 2: almost nothing will work. Energy is essential to our budget
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Speaker 2: because energy exports help us pay our way in the world.
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Speaker 2: It's essential to workers too, because if powers too expensive,
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Speaker 2: industries will just shift off shore and take Australian jobs
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Speaker 2: with them. And it's essential to all of us, to
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Speaker 2: our householders, because in these modern times, flicking a switch
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Speaker 2: to power our phones or light our homes it's not
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Speaker 2: a discretionary spent. And yet, despite this reality, for too long,
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Speaker 2: business was lockstep with the parties of the left in
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Speaker 2: pretending our renewables only transition was achievable. Now, for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: business elites had drunk the kool aid and weren't being
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Speaker 2: honest with us about pie and the sky targets that
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Speaker 2: labors got there having to soak up all the subsidies,
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Speaker 2: but safe in the knowledge that all belong gone and
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Speaker 2: in retirement when the proverbial hit the fan, we'll not
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Speaker 2: so many more. We're now getting leader after leader willing
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Speaker 2: to expose the train wreck that is Chris Bowen's management
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Speaker 2: of our energy grid before it gets past the point
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Speaker 2: of no return. Today it was Graham Bradley, the former
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Speaker 2: head of the Businessiness Council now head of New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Infrastructure, demanding that the government must extend the life
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Speaker 2: of coal five power stations because he said, if renewable
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Speaker 2: projects don't get started by next year, they are not
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Speaker 2: going to be built. Chandia Constable, the head of the
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Speaker 2: Minerals Council too, saying that the government was clueless on
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Speaker 2: how to integrate the vast amount of renewable energy without
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Speaker 2: the system falling over and the energy produces head Samantha McCulloch,
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Speaker 2: who said we've seen major we've seen major investments be
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Speaker 2: announced overseas and not in Australia. The clear business consensus
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Speaker 2: that's emerging is that the government's twenty thirty target to
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Speaker 2: have eighty two percent of our total electricity coming from
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Speaker 2: renewables and to cut our emissions by forty three percent
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Speaker 2: is both unachievable and extremely damaging. For one thing, it's
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Speaker 2: undermined the only comparative advantage we've ever had in manufacturingly
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Speaker 2: cheap and reliable power due to our abundance of high
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Speaker 2: quality local coal, and today more bad us on that front,
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Speaker 2: namely the likely closure of one of our last remaining
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Speaker 2: glass manufacturers and two the only maker of architectural glass
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Speaker 2: in Australia. It's called Oceania Glass, and with it will
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Speaker 2: go the potential loss of some two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: jobs in Melbourne. It's been placed into administration, penning a
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Speaker 2: decision on whether the business can survive. But know this,
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Speaker 2: it's one of our two hundred largest emitters and it
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Speaker 2: was captured by the government so called safeguard mechanism which
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Speaker 2: required Oceania Glass to reduce its emissions or to purchase
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Speaker 2: carbon credits. So see what's happened here, it's the decisions
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Speaker 2: of politicians like Chris Bowen that's helped to send them
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Speaker 2: to the wall with a net result will just end
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Speaker 2: up in port more of our glass from China. No
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Speaker 2: fewer global emissions, just fewer jobs and profit here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is just the latest step in the energy insanity
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Speaker 2: induced the industrialization of Australia. Last year, our last big
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Speaker 2: plastics manufacturer, Quenos, announced it was closing plants in Port
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Speaker 2: Botany and Altona because it would be more profitable to
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Speaker 2: use that land for residential housing.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: Like Osiana Glass, Quenos has been plagued by high electricity
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Speaker 2: prices and shortages of gas. At the time of its closure,
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Speaker 2: Australian Strategic Policy Institute, this is known as ASPY, published
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Speaker 2: a sobering assessment of Australia's manufacturing decline. The value added
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Speaker 2: to the Australian economy by manufacturing peaked in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and seven and eight, said ASPY, and it since dropped
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Speaker 2: by ten percent. The latest national accounts at ASBY show
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Speaker 2: that manufactory had fallen from eight point three percent of
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Speaker 2: GDP in two thousand and seven to just five point
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Speaker 2: two percent, which according to World Bank figures now ranks
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Speaker 2: Australia one hundred and fortieth globally, alongside countries like Curobus
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Speaker 2: and Albania. The ASPI document tracks some of the milestones
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Speaker 2: in our decline, starting with tariff cuts in the seventies
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Speaker 2: and nineties and moving through the closure of the Newcastle
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Speaker 2: Steel Works in nineteen ninety nine, accelerating though recently with
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Speaker 2: climate policy driven gas shortages and higher power prices. The
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Speaker 2: closure of Quenos, said Asby is expected to bring an
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Speaker 2: end to the scale recycling of plastics in Australia and
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Speaker 2: it will have a significant effect on downstream manufacturers of
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Speaker 2: plastic products. We're talking here about insulation, ducting, synthetic rubber,
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Speaker 2: food packaging, molded and engineered plastic products. Aspy noted that
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Speaker 2: the recent plant closure has meant that we are no
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Speaker 2: longer producing helium in this country, which is a wide
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Speaker 2: range of industrial applications. We can no longer manufacture stainless
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Speaker 2: steel or tinplate. We can no longer make the flat
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Speaker 2: aluminium needed for a whole lot of products, ranging from
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Speaker 2: shipbuilding all the way down to kitchen foil. It's worth
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Speaker 2: noting that in its notorious list of fourteen demands put
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Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty the Chinese Embassy included the closing
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Speaker 2: down of ASPY and in a half surrendered to Beijing.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezi government has commissioned a report calling for much
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Speaker 2: stricter government supervision of aspy's work. None of the policy
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Speaker 2: driven gas gaps that ASPY has identified are likely to
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Speaker 2: be remedied by future Made in Australia subsidies by the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government, because these subsidies are targeted to so called
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Speaker 2: green sunrise industries, not the emissions intensive heavy industries that
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Speaker 2: a serious first world economy needs, especially in today's much
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Speaker 2: less secure and more dangerous world. As Better Dutton tells
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Speaker 2: me in the hour Lung Special to be broadcast here
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night at six.
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Speaker 3: Pm, industry manufacturing in this country is done. If we're
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Speaker 3: having smelters and heavy energy user industries relying on intermittent power,
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Speaker 3: it won't work.
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Speaker 2: And this too, I.
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Speaker 3: Predict that there'll be a bipartisan position in relation to
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Speaker 3: nuclear over the course of the next decade because they're
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Speaker 3: going to be mugged by the reality the green hydrogen
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Speaker 3: dream is just that it's not going to work.
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Speaker 2: Come on, Australia, there is not a lot of time
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Speaker 2: to turn this ship around. All right, we'll go cambern now.
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Speaker 2: The headlines scarnish political reporter RN Spargo.
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Speaker 6: Australia's leaders have been caught off guard by Donald Trump's
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Speaker 6: declaration that the US will take Gaza.
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Speaker 7: This could be something that could be so bad, This
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Speaker 7: could be so magnificent.
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Speaker 6: The US President is promising to dismantle unexploited bombs, level
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Speaker 6: the site and create new housing. The Prime Minister is
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Speaker 6: refusing to be drawn.
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Speaker 8: Only tend to have a running commentary. I'm not going
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Speaker 8: to have a running commentary, not going to as Austraight
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Speaker 8: as Prime Minister give a daily commentary on statements by
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Speaker 8: the US President.
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Speaker 6: The Greens are calling on the PM to condemn Trump.
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Speaker 5: This is wrong. This is the end of international law.
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Speaker 6: The bipartisan position remains a two state solution. With the
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Speaker 6: election just around the corner, Labor is unveiling a new
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Speaker 6: funding deal for state and territory hospitals. It will invest
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Speaker 6: an extra one point seven billion dollars to fund services
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Speaker 6: next year, an increase of twelve percent, help.
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Speaker 8: Cut waiting less to reduce waiting times in emergency rooms.
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Speaker 6: The opposition questioning the Prime Minister on the planned mass
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Speaker 6: casualty terror plot.
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Speaker 8: The priority here is not the playing of political games.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister has been embarrassed because he wasn't advised
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Speaker 3: by the police because they were worried about him leaking
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Speaker 3: the information ahead of any action by the police.
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Speaker 6: Reuben Spargo, Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right love happening in Canberra today. Let's go there now
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Speaker 2: for the first time as we welcome chrisy Jilman back
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Speaker 2: to the desk. Chris, great to have you. As always
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Speaker 2: a lot, as I said, happening in camera. I want
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Speaker 2: to get into all those domestic headlines. I tell you
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Speaker 2: what this morning's announcement from President Trump. Regardi Gaza. I
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Speaker 2: think it's fair to say no one expected that. I
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Speaker 2: certainly didn't. You did. Maybe you've got a crystal ball
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Speaker 2: on your desk. I certainly have it. What's your top
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Speaker 2: line assessment here?
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Speaker 9: Well, for a man who constantly told us Peter that
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Speaker 9: he didn't want the United States involved in forever wars,
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Speaker 9: that he's involving in the United States and the.
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Speaker 10: Longest running forever war in history.
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Speaker 9: And I do hope that the United States, if he's
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Speaker 9: serious about this fares better than every other state who
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Speaker 9: has ever tried to do anything about that part of
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Speaker 9: the world. And the last attempt by a power to
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Speaker 9: do that was during the British mandate in Palestine from
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Speaker 9: nineteen twenty two to nineteen forty eight.
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Speaker 10: And at that stage you might well.
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Speaker 9: Recall that the terrorists there were Jewish. In fact, Manike
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Speaker 9: and Bagen bombed the King David Hotel, killing ninety one people.
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Speaker 9: There was a price on his head, and in the
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Speaker 9: end the British got out of there, as everyone gets
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Speaker 9: out of there, essentially with a lot.
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Speaker 10: Of blood and treasure being spilled.
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Speaker 9: I think the luckiest man on earth at the moment
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Speaker 9: is Benjamin Nett Yahoo. He has got the United States
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Speaker 9: embroiled in what.
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Speaker 10: Is his biggest problem?
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Speaker 9: I don't know how you move two million people out
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Speaker 9: of there when nobody wants the Palestinians in the region,
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Speaker 9: not the Saudi Arabians, not the Egyptians, not the Turks,
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Speaker 9: So where do you send them. The Jordanians, of course,
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Speaker 9: have had them there for more than seventy years. They're
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Speaker 9: still considered to be refugees. So I do hope that
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Speaker 9: Donald Trump has more than a headline in this. I
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Speaker 9: do hope that this is a negotiating position. We all
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Speaker 9: want to see an end to that conflict. But I
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Speaker 9: don't know if this is the answer. We will see.
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Speaker 2: I think we're going to talk about this for months
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Speaker 2: and months and months. I work out the play, I
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Speaker 2: can't work out the play. But there's often a lot
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Speaker 2: going on in his brain. It's not a New York
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Speaker 2: property deal here when he's talking about the rivera of
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Speaker 2: the region. But we'll see. Let's talk energy. I know
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Speaker 2: it's a real passion of yours. What is striking me
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Speaker 2: is unusual right now, particularly you know, when we're weeks
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Speaker 2: from an election, is with a whole lot of business.
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Speaker 2: Leader's braver than they have been I think in about
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Speaker 2: a decade, coming out and saying that Chris Bowen Labour's
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Speaker 2: targets in relation to twenty thirty can't be met, won't
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Speaker 2: be met, unrealistic, unsustainable, basically crackers. Are you surprised by this?
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Speaker 10: Look, I'm surprised that it's taken this long.
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Speaker 9: But business Australia's never been particularly courageous, you know that, Peter.
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Speaker 9: They're usually in whatever boat they think the government is
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Speaker 9: going to be on. They don't say the sorts of
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Speaker 9: things that go through their minds. I know they've been
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Speaker 9: thinking about this rageous. This is one area, by the way,
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Speaker 9: where I think that Donald Trump has been very, very
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Speaker 9: good for the world because is essentially call time on
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Speaker 9: net zero arrangements, which nobody was going to meet. There
13:43
Speaker 9: was no way on God's green Earth that any country
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Speaker 9: on Earth was going to meet the commitments that they've
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Speaker 9: signed up to, and they're all beginning to look at
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Speaker 9: each other and thinking who's going to be the first
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Speaker 9: to break ranks. So I think things come slow to Australia.
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Speaker 9: I think the administrative state still rules here. It's very
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Speaker 9: difficult to get over the inertia of that. I think
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Speaker 9: that the inner city populations are convinced that the world
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Speaker 9: is about to end and that windmills and solar panels
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Speaker 9: will save them. So I think there are enormous amount
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Speaker 9: of things to overcome. But I do think, Peter, don't
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Speaker 9: you feel it. The ground is shifting under your feet
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Speaker 9: on data the basis around here, around Australia and around
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Speaker 9: the world. Banks now the big world's big banks have
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Speaker 9: pulled out of the net zero agreement.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that. Of course,
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Speaker 2: the issue for all the investors out there, those who
14:32
Speaker 2: were the first mover advantage on renewables at how to
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Speaker 2: creem the subsidies and make their profits. They are all
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Speaker 2: a bit at sea with Peter Dutton's plans to put
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Speaker 2: in nuclear power because it blows apart their business model,
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Speaker 2: and of course nuclear power under his plan would remain
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Speaker 2: in public ownership. Again, they can't get their hands on
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Speaker 2: any money out of it as well. So I think
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Speaker 2: that's part of the drive behind some of the hysteria
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Speaker 2: we've seen. Let's go to this whole debate that's run
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Speaker 2: out the first two days in Parliament again a feature
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Speaker 2: of Question Time today. Who knew what when?
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Speaker 6: Why?
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister took about ten days to be told,
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Speaker 2: so he says, and so we can read through the
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Speaker 2: tea leaves about this potential for a mass casualty terror
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Speaker 2: attack in Sydney. You know the Premier was briefed and
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Speaker 2: then we've got some sort of significant delay. Was a
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Speaker 2: big question today in question time. Focus in question time,
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Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 4: When was the Prime Minister first informed of the planned
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Speaker 4: mass casualty terror attack against the Sydney's Jewish community.
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Speaker 8: I'm happy to provide a brief through the security agencies
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Speaker 8: if we're questioned by the.
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Speaker 7: Deputy leader of the position.
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Speaker 8: The priority here is not the playing of political games.
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Speaker 3: If the Prime Minister is studiously avoiding answering the question,
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Speaker 3: if he doesn't want to be relevant to the question,
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Speaker 3: he can sit down.
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Speaker 2: I don't think the opposition's playing politics here. They're not
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Speaker 2: asking to know what's in the briefing. They just want
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Speaker 2: to know when he had it. And I think the
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Speaker 2: more that there's sub diffuge in response to what's pretty
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Speaker 2: simple question from the Prime Minister. I mean he either
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Speaker 2: is following the proper protocols, our security apparatus is following
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Speaker 2: the proper protocols, or they're not. What's going on here.
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Speaker 9: I think the problem that he's got is one of comparison,
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Speaker 9: and that's happening quite a lot with New South Wales,
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Speaker 9: where Chris Mins seems to be much more on top
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Speaker 9: of his game than the Prime Minister is now. When
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Speaker 9: the story was broken, Chris Mins said, fair cop. We
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Speaker 9: were trying to keep it secret basically, but I got
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Speaker 9: told the day after it was discovered by the police.
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Speaker 9: I think the obvious and embarrassing answer for the Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister is they didn't know about it until he read
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Speaker 9: about it.
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Speaker 10: In the newspaper.
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Speaker 9: That's not necessarily so much an issue for the Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister as it might be for some of the security agencies,
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Speaker 9: because I would assume that if you had come across
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Speaker 9: something like that, when did the New South Wales Police
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Speaker 9: tell the Australian Federal Police? And when we're all of
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Speaker 9: our security agencies alerted to this? And of course you know,
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Speaker 9: the buck stops with the Prime Minister. He should be informed,
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Speaker 9: So it's an issue for him. It's I think also
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Speaker 9: an issue internally for the security agencies. No one likes
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Speaker 9: to be asked these sorts of questions. It's perfectly reasonable
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Speaker 9: to ask the question, though, we do need to know
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Speaker 9: how well informed our Prime Minister and our security agencies
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Speaker 9: are about what was potentially a significant mass casualty event, Chris.
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Speaker 2: When we had all these issues on in the Abvied
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Speaker 2: office about Islamic state more, there was a senior advisor
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Speaker 2: in our office who had daily briefings. Now some of
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Speaker 2: those he would run up the tree to the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: come and knock on the door and say I need
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Speaker 2: urgent time in the diary. Sometimes just walk in and
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Speaker 2: say I need the boss, I need to go through
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Speaker 2: this right now, and it happened immediately. Other times he'd
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Speaker 2: say we need to call an NSC, we need to
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Speaker 2: have that conversation around the table. But there was never
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Speaker 2: there was never a moment that I, as chief of Staff,
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Speaker 2: didn't think that information wasn't coming up into the office
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Speaker 2: where someone would be making a judgment call. To be fair,
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Speaker 2: there wasn't a day that the Prime Minister did more
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Speaker 2: past this bloke's office as well and say hey, anything
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Speaker 2: I need to know. So what worries me here is
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Speaker 2: you might have a blockage at the end with the
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Speaker 2: intelligence agencies, but I reckon you've got a blockage in
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's office or in the Prime Minister's brain
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Speaker 2: where he's not actively in the middle of this crisis
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Speaker 2: saying hey, are we doing enough? Can I give you
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Speaker 2: more resources? What do you need? Tell me what's going on.
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Speaker 9: I think you've also put your finger on something which
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Speaker 9: people in the Labor Party are asking themselves.
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Speaker 10: It's about the effectiveness of the Prime Minister's office and
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Speaker 10: the Prime ministers's capacity with briefs as well. So those
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Speaker 10: two questions get asked.
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Speaker 9: I hear the mask routinely from people about, you know,
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Speaker 9: the nature of the Prime Minister's office, the competence of
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister's office, and the Prime minister's capacity to
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Speaker 9: get around a brief when he is told about things.
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Speaker 9: I think that it's a reasonable thing that people do
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Speaker 9: get some sense of who knew what when with this.
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Speaker 9: It may not be that al Beniez is the most
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Speaker 9: culpable person in this. I've got enormous respect for our
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Speaker 9: security agencies. I think they're very very good. I think
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Speaker 9: they're run by very competent people. But you know what,
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Speaker 9: I think that we need to know a little bit
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Speaker 9: more about their operations on some occasions. And I think
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Speaker 9: this is a fair question.
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Speaker 2: But answer mate. The GWY used to call me a
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Speaker 2: hard ask Chris. But there was nothing that happened.
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Speaker 6: That I w worse things than that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but you could never You could never
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Speaker 2: accuse me. No one accused you of me and not
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Speaker 2: being and no one accused of me of not being
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Speaker 2: across the brief. And I think that's probably the accusation.
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Speaker 2: In the nicest possible terms, I'd love you at the
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Speaker 2: PMO and the guy in the top chair, Hey, deep
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Speaker 2: seek a lot of concern, But all the government's done
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Speaker 2: today in terms of the public service, it said, we're
19:44
Speaker 2: just going to take it off your phones.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: If we're worried about the public servants and this Chinese
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Speaker 2: AI app, aren't we worried about our entire economy. Aren't
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Speaker 2: we worried about commercial players? Up? We worried about people
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Speaker 2: at home?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 9: Look, and I think that this entire it's an absolute
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Speaker 9: Pandora's box.
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Speaker 10: And if I told you.
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Speaker 9: Last year, I mean last year, at the beginning of
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Speaker 9: last year, that artificial intelligence would explode out of the
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Speaker 9: blocks essentially and you would be able to do things
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Speaker 9: that you had never imagined. And that I've been using
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Speaker 9: chat GPT a lot just to see what it can do,
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Speaker 9: and what it can do is quite remarkable. It also,
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Speaker 9: by the way, will drive enormous.
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Speaker 10: Demand for power.
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Speaker 9: The extraordinary thing is that again once again, you know,
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Speaker 9: we were told that China is way behind, they will
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Speaker 9: not catch up, and then all of a sudden this
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Speaker 9: thing comes out. It looks like it's a pretty good model.
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Speaker 9: And by the way, they've done it much more cheaply
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Speaker 9: and using much less power. So of course we should
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Speaker 9: be suspicious about the way that this this will be used.
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Speaker 1: But this is the.
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Speaker 10: Great arms race now, Peter. It is a fascinating thing.
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Speaker 9: And of course people should be very wary about all
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Speaker 9: of their devices and particularly the kind of information that
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Speaker 9: they put up online and the kind of things that
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Speaker 9: they use, the kind of tools that they use online,
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Speaker 9: because you know, essentially we're the product in the end
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Speaker 9: of all this. What all of governments and all particularly
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Speaker 9: all the private sector and the Chinese Commerence Party want
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Speaker 9: is our data, and they're fishing it out of us
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Speaker 9: all the time. We seem pretty happy to handle all
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Speaker 9: of it over.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you back, Chris. It's going to be
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Speaker 2: a fast and furious election year.
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Speaker 10: It will not be dull, Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: Won't. Well, I might say, I used to take it
21:21
Speaker 2: as a personal badge of honor to get under the
21:24
Speaker 2: skin of the Canberra Gallery. So I'm glad they thought
21:27
Speaker 2: it was tough, all right, PM, still very tight lipped
21:30
Speaker 2: over the federal election date. Speculation continuing to mount though
21:34
Speaker 2: about some particular options. And when you start looking at
21:37
Speaker 2: this date over that date, things start to narrow down.
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Speaker 2: The Bloke is likelies is to tell us best likely
21:42
Speaker 2: to tell us what that date might be. Skyne is
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Speaker 2: Chief election analyst Tom Coddell.
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Speaker 11: After months of speculation about an early election, that's all
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Speaker 11: but off the table and the dates for when it
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Speaker 11: can be held are narrowing. The earliest that can be
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Speaker 11: held is March fifteen in the latest May seventeen.
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Speaker 5: You can rule out April nineteen.
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Speaker 11: That's the Easter long weekend, and calling it before March
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Speaker 11: eight would overlap with the state election in Wa, so
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Speaker 11: that leaves two likely paths. If Labour wants to avoid
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Speaker 11: a budget and likely budget deficit, it can hold the
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Speaker 11: election in April. If it does want a budget, it
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Speaker 11: will hold it sometime in May. Rate cut decisions, of course,
22:23
Speaker 11: will also loom large. The betting markets have had the
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Speaker 11: Opposition as favorites for months and the money keeps coming.
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Speaker 5: The Coalition is at a dollar fifty Labour two dollars fifty.
22:33
Speaker 11: Outsiders punters also think it will be a minority government,
22:37
Speaker 11: but when it comes to who could form a majority,
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Speaker 11: the coalition has some chance. At two dollars ninety, Labour
22:43
Speaker 11: are staggering fifteen dollars. The Liberal Party is favored to
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Speaker 11: pick up a swag of seats in Victoria, short odds
22:50
Speaker 11: in Aston and clear favorites in Chisholm and Mchilm. They
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Speaker 11: would all be gained from Labour, while they are slight
22:55
Speaker 11: favorites to pick up curtain off.
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Speaker 5: The Teal Independent that's in.
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Speaker 11: WUS opinion polls suggests the contest is in fact much
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Speaker 11: closer on a knife edge, and betting markets have not always.
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Speaker 5: Been a reliable indicator.
23:08
Speaker 11: Cast your mind back to twenty nineteen when, of course
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Speaker 11: sports bet paid out on Bill Shorten winning the election
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Speaker 11: for Labor before he later on fell short Tom connell
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Speaker 11: Sky News Parliament House.
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Speaker 2: I thought we'd take a dip into the betting markets.
23:23
Speaker 2: We talk a lot about poles. That's also another good indication.
23:26
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, Donald Trumk catches the world
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Speaker 2: off guard, the bombshell fan for the guards, a strip,
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Speaker 2: Rick Sheridan coming up, plus a bit later on the
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Speaker 2: outstanding astounding out first for me. He thought she should
23:39
Speaker 2: know better. Her targets though stood their ground. You'll be
23:42
Speaker 2: delighted to hear what they had to say. It's easu
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the carm Exclusive sneak peek at Sky
23:52
Speaker 2: News's next big investigation, plus more chaos all about Tanya
23:57
Speaker 2: Pleversec and the Blainey gold Mine. To that the first,
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Speaker 2: let's got that big news out of the United States today,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump surprising everyone. I think probably he would staff
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Speaker 2: in his office. Certainly, I looked at some footage people
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Speaker 2: standing around him in the Oval office of pretty surprise
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Speaker 2: that America will take over the Gaza Strip and redevelop it.
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Speaker 7: The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we
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Speaker 7: will do a job with it too. We'll own it
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Speaker 7: and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded
24:28
Speaker 7: bombs and other weapons on the site. Level the site
24:32
Speaker 7: and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out,
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Speaker 7: create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of
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Speaker 7: jobs and housing for the people of the area.
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Speaker 2: Joining our foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan, Well, Greg,
24:49
Speaker 2: we said he certainly won't be boring. We said there'll
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Speaker 2: be a lot of shokun or in the first few
24:55
Speaker 2: weeks of his presidency. But you know, you're quite rude,
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Speaker 2: bit of a sage. I don't think even you sort
25:02
Speaker 2: of were able to predict this one.
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Speaker 12: Peta, great to be with you. Certainly Trump is unpredictable,
25:10
Speaker 12: but look, I'm going to place in tomorrow's paper, I
25:13
Speaker 12: think arguing a minority interpretation of this. Of course, the
25:17
Speaker 12: idea that America will own Gaza is completely bonkers, but
25:23
Speaker 12: we've just got to kind of try to imagine the
25:25
Speaker 12: Trump method and also look at what he's done in
25:28
Speaker 12: the past, and look at the whole the whole message
25:31
Speaker 12: out of today. Now, a lot of what Trump said
25:34
Speaker 12: today is absolutely true and no one else would say it,
25:37
Speaker 12: which is that the endless cycle of you know, giving
25:42
Speaker 12: Gaza aid, Hummas steals the aid, builds weapons to attack Israel,
25:47
Speaker 12: Israel is forced into war with Gaza, destroys the infrastructure
25:50
Speaker 12: for Europeans pay for it to be rebuilt, and all
25:53
Speaker 12: it goes over and over again. That is the sum
25:56
Speaker 12: total of the liberal consensus on policy towards Gaza. Trump
26:00
Speaker 12: says it's crazy, it's not working, and he's not going
26:02
Speaker 12: to participate in it. He made a lot of other
26:04
Speaker 12: big decisions today. Iran won't have a nuclear weapon, the
26:07
Speaker 12: US is withdrawing from the UN Human Rights Counsel, Andra
26:12
Speaker 12: gets no more funding. These are all huge decisions. Overshadowed
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Speaker 12: by what he's said about Gaza. But look at what
26:18
Speaker 12: he said about Gaza. In another way, He's offering the
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Speaker 12: Ghazans a vision of what could be this coastal strip
26:28
Speaker 12: and Trump's essential real estate developer view of the world.
26:32
Speaker 12: It is a benign view of the world. Coastal resorts
26:36
Speaker 12: and condominiums have been a way to wealth and good
26:39
Speaker 12: jobs for lots of Third world countries. If Gaza had
26:42
Speaker 12: a leadership that was concerned with the welfare of its
26:45
Speaker 12: own people, it would be trying to do this itself
26:48
Speaker 12: in cooperation with Israel, instead of waging these insane Islamist
26:54
Speaker 12: wars all the time against Israel. Now you know, nonetheless,
26:58
Speaker 12: the president deserves to be avaluated on what he said,
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Speaker 12: and what he said can't possibly happen. But all this
27:04
Speaker 12: energy and this renewed commitment to Israel, his influence with
27:08
Speaker 12: the Gulf Arabs, it is by no means inconceivable that
27:12
Speaker 12: he could move the situation forward as he did in
27:15
Speaker 12: his first term. The Middle East was a signal success
27:18
Speaker 12: for Trump with all the Abraham Accords. It was, so
27:21
Speaker 12: you know, it's day one. The one wise thing Albanez
27:24
Speaker 12: he did today was to shut up about it and say, look, okay,
27:27
Speaker 12: well let's see, let's see what happens. Let's see what
27:31
Speaker 12: he really has in mind here as things unfold.
27:35
Speaker 2: I do wish'd actually said something a bit like that Green,
27:38
Speaker 2: but he just said I'm not going to have a
27:39
Speaker 2: running commentary on everything the US President says. But when
27:42
Speaker 2: the US President says something as substantial as this, and
27:45
Speaker 2: given the home grown impacts we have of that conflict
27:48
Speaker 2: in Australia, he should have had a couple of lines
27:52
Speaker 2: with a bit more depth than I'm just not going
27:54
Speaker 2: to talk about Donald Trump. I thought he owed us
27:56
Speaker 2: a bit more than that.
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Speaker 12: Times when you've got nothing to say, better to say nothing.
28:03
Speaker 12: I mean, could have been better, but it could have
28:05
Speaker 12: been a lot worse. So you know, I'm not shy
28:09
Speaker 12: of criticizing the Bright Prime Minister, but I think a measured,
28:14
Speaker 12: stately silence is not the worst thing you could expect
28:17
Speaker 12: from a left wing labor government in the face of
28:19
Speaker 12: this Trump stuff today. But I do think that this
28:23
Speaker 12: very tight Trump Netnahu alliance is part of a very
28:28
Speaker 12: changed dynamic in the Middle East, and the Gulf Arabs
28:32
Speaker 12: are going to be dealing with Trump's power, and with
28:35
Speaker 12: net Nyahu's power, and this can be constructive. You know,
28:39
Speaker 12: we can't obsess over the you know, the difficulty of
28:43
Speaker 12: assessing Trump is that he does say some stupid things,
28:47
Speaker 12: but he also does and says some very good and
28:51
Speaker 12: brave things. And you know, it's quite possible you could
28:54
Speaker 12: get some forward movement out of this. Certainly, it's the
28:56
Speaker 12: most interesting thing anyone has said about Gaza I think
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Speaker 12: in my lifetime.
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Speaker 1: Really.
29:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I think your point's so right at
29:04
Speaker 2: the top there. The status quo has not worked, and
29:07
Speaker 2: we keep doing the same thing, we'll get the same result.
29:09
Speaker 2: That's the adage, as we know. So there has to
29:12
Speaker 2: be a game changer. There has to be some way
29:13
Speaker 2: to get into that tunnel infrastructure and deal with that
29:17
Speaker 2: tunnel infrastructure and try and give the poor people, the
29:20
Speaker 2: residents of Gaza some chance at a future because going
29:25
Speaker 2: through this cycle, we're just going to revisit this in
29:28
Speaker 2: the next ten years. Hey, talk about Trump Trump one
29:31
Speaker 2: other times here as well.
29:34
Speaker 12: Yeah, please greet please, Just one other tiny final point
29:38
Speaker 12: on gather. Trump didn't talk about forced relocation of Palestinians,
29:42
Speaker 12: But everybody tries to keep the Palestinians as refugees forever
29:46
Speaker 12: for political reasons to bash Israel. If the Gazans want
29:50
Speaker 12: to migrate to nearby Arab speaking Muslim countries, well that'd
29:56
Speaker 12: be a good thing. If they want to do that,
29:58
Speaker 12: not all two million of them, but if some, if
30:00
Speaker 12: they want it to happen, it's arguing for that. If
30:04
Speaker 12: they want to have them, Okay, it's unlikely at the moment,
30:06
Speaker 12: but instead of forcing them to remain refugees forever, I
30:10
Speaker 12: mean there are people whose grandparents went to Jordan who
30:14
Speaker 12: are citizens, who are ministers, who have been ministers in
30:16
Speaker 12: the Jordanian government, who are still officially refugees. Well that's insane.
30:21
Speaker 12: So Trump is moving against that kind of perpetual forever
30:24
Speaker 12: refugee status. And if that means partly Gazans can migrate
30:29
Speaker 12: somewhere else anywhere that'll have them, that's a good thing.
30:32
Speaker 12: Very just very very distressing and radical for the Palestinian
30:37
Speaker 12: leadership class, but probably good for any Gardzan who can
30:40
Speaker 12: get out of Gaza.
30:43
Speaker 2: Not to similar gred to a whole aboriginal economy activist
30:47
Speaker 2: class here who don't want to actually see conditions improve
30:51
Speaker 2: and remote communities because they need the squalor and the
30:54
Speaker 2: poor outcomes in those communities to keep the profit making
30:58
Speaker 2: machine happening in the cities. You know, not too to
31:00
Speaker 2: simply here, Hey, tariffs just before we go. We know
31:04
Speaker 2: that Canada's bleaned. We know there's been movement in Mexico.
31:08
Speaker 2: The levees on China are pretty hard, and the Chinese,
31:11
Speaker 2: of course, have now hit back. In relation to the
31:13
Speaker 2: United States, give us you read on this.
31:16
Speaker 12: I always saw tariffs against Mexico and Canada. We're not
31:21
Speaker 12: realistic in the long run. I even said on Sky
31:24
Speaker 12: and in the paper that the matter would be resolved
31:26
Speaker 12: in weeks, not months, and the Canadians and Mexicans would
31:30
Speaker 12: do something to placate Trump. It's a rough, grubby, untidy
31:34
Speaker 12: way to play politics, but it's worked. Trump has threatened
31:38
Speaker 12: tariffs and got policy results that he wanted. That's very
31:41
Speaker 12: much the Trump playbook. It's not the ideal way politics
31:44
Speaker 12: should go.
31:45
Speaker 5: With China.
31:45
Speaker 12: I think it's a bit different. I do think, you know,
31:49
Speaker 12: the world needs to decouple the free world from the
31:51
Speaker 12: Chinese world. We are more dependent on China than we've
31:54
Speaker 12: ever been on any country since before the UK joined
31:57
Speaker 12: the Common Market in Australia. That's strategic madness. I think
32:01
Speaker 12: the Trump the Trump tariffs on China are more likely
32:04
Speaker 12: to stay and they are of much more strategic significance
32:08
Speaker 12: than the ones on Canada and Mexico, which were again
32:12
Speaker 12: a bit of Trump theater, but it worked. I mean,
32:15
Speaker 12: you know, you can't argue with a politician who gets
32:17
Speaker 12: the results that he wants that he does.
32:21
Speaker 2: All right, Greg, thank you. I'll look forward to the
32:22
Speaker 2: column tomorrow right now and keep you this whole theme
32:25
Speaker 2: of growing global instability, our strategic partnerships ucas. Obviously, those
32:30
Speaker 2: nuclear submarines are becoming more urgent than ever so fitting
32:34
Speaker 2: if I get to announce tonight Sky New's next investigative
32:37
Speaker 2: documentary that will take all of you me too, on
32:42
Speaker 2: the inside of our submarine force and behind the scenes
32:46
Speaker 2: of the Orchest Agreement. Here is a sneak peek.
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Speaker 1: The world has become appreciably more dangerous. Our objective is
32:54
Speaker 1: to deal with the threat.
32:57
Speaker 10: What is life like unneath the ways? Boredom in two
33:00
Speaker 10: percent shar terror.
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Speaker 6: Our submarine force like you've never seen them before.
33:06
Speaker 5: Once you sail, you are in another world.
33:08
Speaker 1: There's not one building, not one person that can't be targeted.
33:12
Speaker 9: They're hunting house.
33:16
Speaker 5: Full of backli back.
33:18
Speaker 1: Plus, hear the inside story of the secret meeting that
33:22
Speaker 1: rocked global politics. The piece is crawling with French secret
33:26
Speaker 1: Service in an environment which was rapidly changing. The investigation
33:30
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Speaker 10: The most complex strategic landscape for Australia's face.
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Speaker 13: Do you think we're in an arms race to World
33:40
Speaker 13: War three?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
33:42
Speaker 1: Into the deep Australia's submarine gamble for every twenty five.
33:47
Speaker 2: On Sky News, Well, I think that's the luckiest now
33:52
Speaker 2: on Sky News, Sky's Investigations, reported Jonathan Lee, I say
33:56
Speaker 2: you're lucky, John O, because I've been alongside as I've
34:00
Speaker 2: never been eating operational SABA. You actually got to go
34:04
Speaker 2: down and dive and get out there in the water. Fascinating.
34:08
Speaker 2: I can't believe they'll let you get on one. How
34:09
Speaker 2: long we're there for.
34:12
Speaker 13: I've got to say also terrified. Claustrophobia is a real
34:16
Speaker 13: thing when you're going on board a submarine. So it's
34:19
Speaker 13: fresh here, to be honest, exhilarating just to see the
34:23
Speaker 13: camaraderie of this crew and the crews of Australia's Collins
34:27
Speaker 13: class submarines is extraordinary and I've got to say the
34:30
Speaker 13: food is also bloody magnificent as well. Steak, hamburgers, chicken, parmes,
34:36
Speaker 13: rose pork with crackling. They certainly eat well. They're paid
34:39
Speaker 13: well and deservedly so. An amazing world when you go
34:43
Speaker 13: beneath the waves. We got a better part of one
34:45
Speaker 13: hundred meters under the ocean, around ninety six meters At
34:48
Speaker 13: a couple of points in time we were part of
34:50
Speaker 13: a k sex which was effectively the hunting of our
34:53
Speaker 13: submarine as we tried to dodge the Navy out in
34:56
Speaker 13: the Indian Ocean. And I've also got to make the
34:59
Speaker 13: point at a number of American admirals very clearly laid
35:03
Speaker 13: out just the high regard that they hold Australia's sub
35:07
Speaker 13: mariners and also our Columns class submarine, which can do
35:11
Speaker 13: things nuclear submarines can't do, and that's something which is
35:14
Speaker 13: often not told in the media.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, I once worked in a Defense Minister's office with
35:21
Speaker 2: a former sub mariner and they are very quirky people
35:26
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of psych analysis that goes into
35:29
Speaker 2: recruiting submarriners you know, because you've got to be able
35:32
Speaker 2: to get along with people. It's a closed environment. It's
35:35
Speaker 2: obviously risky and this claustrophobi and all the things you
35:37
Speaker 2: talk about, but it's also really tight spaces. I mean,
35:40
Speaker 2: that's the other thing. When I've gone on at air
35:44
Speaker 2: warfare destroyer or battleships and things in the past. I'm
35:49
Speaker 2: pretty tall, but I mean I just found it to
35:51
Speaker 2: squeeze my way through. What did you think about the
35:55
Speaker 2: sophistication of the equipment though, that you were in there,
35:58
Speaker 2: all of that sort of key. Yeah.
36:02
Speaker 13: Look, I've got to say unfortunate better part of five
36:05
Speaker 13: foot seven that I fit very comfortably on a submarine,
36:07
Speaker 13: and it seems to be the sub marina's height. We
36:09
Speaker 13: came across a few others who are much taller, and
36:12
Speaker 13: it's a little more difficult. Our submarines and what they
36:15
Speaker 13: will get with the Virginia Class and eventually with the
36:18
Speaker 13: Orcers class.
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Speaker 10: Will be a game changer.
36:20
Speaker 13: And that's an understatement. With the Virginia Class, for instance,
36:23
Speaker 13: you'd be able to park it in the Brisbane River
36:25
Speaker 13: and be able to hit any city that matted on
36:28
Speaker 13: the East coast. With Tomahawk missiles. So that's the sort
36:31
Speaker 13: of equipment we will get by the year twenty thirty
36:34
Speaker 13: two and into the twenty forties. Our submarines at the
36:37
Speaker 13: moment they have to come up to recharge their batteries.
36:40
Speaker 13: The environment's changing because low orbit satellites and also airplanes
36:45
Speaker 13: give them the ability to find and target our submarines
36:47
Speaker 13: going forward. So that's the reason why we need to
36:50
Speaker 13: the couple from periscope and be able to get.
36:52
Speaker 2: Under the water.
36:53
Speaker 13: And what's also going to be important, and we look
36:55
Speaker 13: at in this documentary, is going to be underwater sea drones.
36:59
Speaker 13: Will they make nuclear submarines redundant? All they end up
37:03
Speaker 13: working inker hearts with the nuclear powered subs, And actually
37:07
Speaker 13: will the nuclear powered subs become the motherships which will
37:10
Speaker 13: end up guide in Because I tell you these drones
37:12
Speaker 13: won't be just used to attack. They'll be used to
37:14
Speaker 13: trick the enemy and tell the enemy where they think
37:17
Speaker 13: the attack is going to be, or something else goes
37:19
Speaker 13: around the back and ends up taking out the target.
37:21
Speaker 13: It is a game change.
37:24
Speaker 2: Do you're going to have to do Hunt for Red
37:25
Speaker 2: October all over again with that sort of technology coming?
37:29
Speaker 2: You're lucky up, I'm so I'm so much looking forward
37:31
Speaker 2: to it myself. I know you get all the big
37:33
Speaker 2: interviews with all the players that were there around the
37:35
Speaker 2: time of aucas but well done to you, John, I
37:37
Speaker 2: can't wait to see it. Thanks for your time. You'll
37:39
Speaker 2: be able to see Jonathan Lee's full investigation into the
37:42
Speaker 2: Deeper Straighted Submarine and Gamble on the twenty fifth of
37:45
Speaker 2: February here on Sky News at seven thirty, just before
37:48
Speaker 2: the break too. Victoria's firefighting for this is a CFA
37:53
Speaker 2: plummeted to all time loan numbers and this is a
37:56
Speaker 2: real concern given all the issues we have with five
38:00
Speaker 2: renewables and our bushfire regions. At the moment, there was
38:04
Speaker 2: a big issue with a wind farm in Victoria. This
38:07
Speaker 2: is a turbine, a propeller falling off and these images
38:10
Speaker 2: I've got them there for you on the screen. This
38:13
Speaker 2: is the bury Bank wind farm. Now it didn't catch
38:15
Speaker 2: a light fortunately, but this was the same wind farm
38:19
Speaker 2: that had an uncontrolled fire last year, multiple propellers falling
38:23
Speaker 2: off and tragically a worker dying on the site. Now,
38:29
Speaker 2: this is sort of the future for all Australians if
38:32
Speaker 2: we do not get this transition to renewables only power, right,
38:38
Speaker 2: We've got to drop it. But that's where Chris Bowen's
38:40
Speaker 2: taking us and that's some of the consequences all right
38:42
Speaker 2: after the break Labours proposed tax changes mean for Super
38:47
Speaker 2: they're coming plus the growing concerns the government's using treasury
38:51
Speaker 2: to take potshots at the opposition. Calbridge is coming up
39:00
Speaker 2: my panel. Shadow Environment Minister Jonathan Dunniam Shadow Minister for
39:03
Speaker 2: Financial Services Luke Haweth, gents, welcome Labor looking like it'll
39:08
Speaker 2: go after superannuation, doubling the tax on anyone who's got
39:12
Speaker 2: more than three million in their super account, but not
39:15
Speaker 2: a real three million, Luke Howarth. It's just that on paper,
39:20
Speaker 2: your shares or your property or whatever it might be,
39:23
Speaker 2: could increase. You haven't cashed it in. The money's not real,
39:26
Speaker 2: it's not in your hands, but you could have to
39:29
Speaker 2: take out a loan to cover that tax payment, whether
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Speaker 2: it's real for you or not. Is that seriously what's
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Speaker 2: being proposed by the government here.
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Speaker 14: Well, Peter, you're one hundred percent right. That is seriously
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Speaker 14: what Anthony Albanesi and the Labor Party are proposing. And
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Speaker 14: there's two points with what they're doing. One the fact
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Speaker 14: is is that before the last election, Albanesi promised there'd
39:53
Speaker 14: been no changes to super so the man can't be trusted.
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Speaker 14: He's misled the public again. But secondly, this is a
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Speaker 14: tax on which doesn't just double the tax rate. It's
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Speaker 14: an unrealized capital gain and unprecedented and the best way
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Speaker 14: to describe it is a farmer might matter have a building,
40:10
Speaker 14: or someone might have a warehouse and a self managed
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Speaker 14: super fun. They haven't sold the building, it hasn't actually
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Speaker 14: seen a financial gain, and labor are asking for the
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Speaker 14: tax upfront. It would be like a worker earning one
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Speaker 14: hundred thousand dollars a year they normally get taxed every
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Speaker 14: two weeks, where every week as they're paid, but the
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Speaker 14: government coming in to say give me thirty thousand up front.
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Speaker 14: That's effectively what they're doing. And it gets worse in
40:34
Speaker 14: the sense that the tax is also not index so
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Speaker 14: a whole lot of young people in their early twenties
40:39
Speaker 14: and teenagers will be hit with this tax the longer
40:42
Speaker 14: it goes on. So the coalition will fight against it.
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Speaker 14: We've stopped it before and we want to make sure
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Speaker 14: it isn't passed.
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Speaker 2: What's the latest jeno on this? Blaney Gold mine. It
40:53
Speaker 2: appears there's another flaw in the way it was handled
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Speaker 2: by the minister, telling your plebask.
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Speaker 15: It's like an episode of the Benny Hill Show, from
41:04
Speaker 15: one calamity to another.
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Speaker 10: I mean, she knocked this.
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Speaker 15: Gold mine on the head over spurious reasons that aren't
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Speaker 15: even really something the local Aboriginal community would agree with.
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Speaker 15: And we find out that there was a public road
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Speaker 15: running through the area. She's put this declaration on, meaning
41:19
Speaker 15: it can't be used for any purpose other than traditional purposes,
41:24
Speaker 15: and they sought no legal advice on it until a newspaper,
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Speaker 15: The Daily Telegraph, reported on this fact. It is outrageous
41:31
Speaker 15: that a cabinet minister and an entire government department who
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Speaker 15: so willingly, with the stroke of a pen, knock on
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Speaker 15: the head a billion dollar gold mine and sweep away
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Speaker 15: eight hundred jobs and all the royalties revenue that would
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Speaker 15: pay for hospitals and schools can't even get legal advice
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Speaker 15: about what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Incompetence large, it's right across the board. The PM can't
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Speaker 2: get his briefing, she can't get a legal advice. You
41:53
Speaker 2: wonder if these guys are actually working for home or
41:56
Speaker 2: turning up to the job. I mean, it's just incredible.
41:58
Speaker 2: Lydia thought. I don't want to always report on Lydia thought,
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Speaker 2: because the more attention we'll give it, the more she's after.
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Speaker 2: But I want to pay tribute here to two young
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Speaker 2: people who care about the future, who are absolutely out
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Speaker 2: there arguing for nuclear power. This is Grace Stanky, of course,
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Speaker 2: and the wonderful William. Let's have listened to what happened today.
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Speaker 11: You don't find it on your children, children.
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Speaker 2: Luke, How does she get away with screaming like a
42:45
Speaker 2: banshee all the time.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, it seems that the speaker doesn't seem to
42:53
Speaker 14: think he can do much about Helo is there when
42:55
Speaker 14: the King and Queen visited the Australian Parliament and I
42:58
Speaker 14: was standing just behind her when she made that outburst
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Speaker 14: there and we sort of knew. We thought, oh, look
43:03
Speaker 14: she's going to go off here. We complain to the
43:06
Speaker 14: speaker about it at the time. But what's happened today?
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Speaker 14: This was an event in Parliament House, a private event.
43:12
Speaker 14: The room is booked. These events happen every day in
43:15
Speaker 14: this place. There was other events on today that unions
43:18
Speaker 14: had organized, and I think Sally McManus was there and
43:20
Speaker 14: I walk past her. You don't see me screaming at
43:23
Speaker 14: the union, sort of going off about my differences. But
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Speaker 14: it's poor leadership from this senator. These are young people.
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Speaker 14: William's only eighteen years of old. I think Grace is
43:33
Speaker 14: in her early twenties and visiting from the US. She's
43:36
Speaker 14: a nuclear engineer and people rightly wanted to hear what
43:40
Speaker 14: she had to say, and instead this senator behaves badly,
43:44
Speaker 14: shouting and interrupting. And this is what you get when
43:47
Speaker 14: you vote Greens. Lydia Thought was elected as a Green senator.
43:51
Speaker 14: The Greens are not about the environment anymore. They want
43:54
Speaker 14: to defund the police, they want to reduce spending in
43:57
Speaker 14: the army, and so they want to legalize hard drug
44:00
Speaker 14: And so I just say to people, talk to your kids,
44:02
Speaker 14: talk to your grandkids. Watch how you vote in the
44:05
Speaker 14: centate as well. We need to change the government, and
44:07
Speaker 14: the coalition.
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Speaker 5: Needs a majority there as well.
44:09
Speaker 14: But it seems that we're stuck with Lydia Thought through
44:12
Speaker 14: to twenty twenty eight, and I don't know who's going
44:15
Speaker 14: to take her on. We certainly try and complain about it,
44:17
Speaker 14: but she doesn't seem to want to change your ways, let's.
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Speaker 2: Talk about something I find a bit extraordinary for a
44:24
Speaker 2: number of reasons. This is your plan, John Owen relation
44:28
Speaker 2: to small businesses getting a tax break for FBT and
44:32
Speaker 2: business lunches. Now we know big business, if they've got
44:35
Speaker 2: a fancy boardroom at their office, get a tax break.
44:39
Speaker 2: Small business going to the pub get no tax break.
44:42
Speaker 2: So it's about leveling the playing field. But you get
44:46
Speaker 2: your policy costed by a government agency, the Parliamentary Budget Office.
44:50
Speaker 2: They say it's this much. The Treasurer then shops your
44:54
Speaker 2: policy down to Treasury, to the department which is supposed
44:57
Speaker 2: to be a political and costs it's up. And they're
45:00
Speaker 2: not supposed to cost opposition policy, but they do. They
45:04
Speaker 2: cost it up and they say, oh, it's ten to
45:06
Speaker 2: fifteen times more expensive. But then he says, when he's
45:10
Speaker 2: pushed on this, I'm not politicizing the public service like
45:16
Speaker 2: hecky isn't. And I might add this is the same Treasury,
45:19
Speaker 2: that apartment that still hasn't costed labour's energy commitments. So
45:25
Speaker 2: they've got time to do yours but not the government's work.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, which is alarming because what else haven't they cost
45:33
Speaker 15: it Over the last two.
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Speaker 10: And a half nearly three years. It was interesting, though, Peter.
45:37
Speaker 15: Last night the Treasury Secretary wrote to the Coalition and said, ah,
45:41
Speaker 15: the numbers we've put out aren't actually based on your
45:44
Speaker 15: actual policy. We've just worked off some rough parameters. Goodness
45:49
Speaker 15: knows what Jim Chalmers has given them. But the point remains.
45:52
Speaker 15: The point you make is exactly right. Why are they
45:55
Speaker 15: furnishing the government with details around a policy that is
45:59
Speaker 15: not governments instead of doing the work of the government
46:03
Speaker 15: to try and make their own policies add up, which
46:05
Speaker 15: currently don't. So Labor have been a little short on
46:09
Speaker 15: the truth here when they say that Treasury have modeled
46:11
Speaker 15: our laws. Stephen Kennedy outed the Treasurer last night, and
46:16
Speaker 15: Angus Taylor confirmed that today it's based on rubbery figures
46:19
Speaker 15: that Jim Chalmers just picked out a thin air and
46:21
Speaker 15: actually don't add up. So I feel safe about our policy.
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Speaker 15: But yes, it is concerning that public servants would engage
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Speaker 15: in politicizing this sort of stuff in the lead up
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Speaker 15: to an election.
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Speaker 2: I probably put Stephen Kennedy on my list of those
46:35
Speaker 2: who must go if there was to do regime change.
46:38
Speaker 2: But you know I'm a bit hard on that. Sort
46:40
Speaker 2: of stuff. John A. Luke, thank you very much. All
46:43
Speaker 2: right after the break, Kell Richards joining me as he
46:50
Speaker 2: does every Wednesday. My good friend Kel Richards, Well, I
46:54
Speaker 2: have to say this for people at home. Kel. When
46:55
Speaker 2: we go through the list in the morning, we decide
46:57
Speaker 2: what words we might like to look at tonight. We
47:00
Speaker 2: both had Palestinian in the list. Neither of us knew
47:04
Speaker 2: what was going to happen in Washington later on today.
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Speaker 2: It's a very topical word suggested to us by a viewer, Robin,
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Speaker 2: who wants to know about the origins of the word Palestinian,
47:14
Speaker 2: Where does it come from? And Palestine two for that matter, all.
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Speaker 16: Of that group of words coined by invented by the
47:21
Speaker 16: ancient Romans in AD seventy. In eight sixty six, the
47:25
Speaker 16: Jews in the province of Judea, a Roman province, revolted
47:29
Speaker 16: against Roman rule. The general Titus besieged Jerusalem for four years.
47:35
Speaker 16: When he finally defeated them and drove them up. What
47:38
Speaker 16: he wanted to do was to get rid of the
47:40
Speaker 16: name Jew off the map, so he renamed that area Palestine.
47:44
Speaker 16: And they just coined the word. It's a variation on
47:47
Speaker 16: the much older word Philistine, and the reason he chose
47:51
Speaker 16: it was by that time the Philistines were extinct. They
47:54
Speaker 16: were all dead. There were no Philistines, so we just
47:56
Speaker 16: called the place Palestina, which is the Latin equivalent of Philips.
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Speaker 16: So the people who call themselves Palestinians now arrived at
48:04
Speaker 16: least six hundred years or more later.
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Speaker 5: They're Arabic.
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Speaker 16: They have nothing to do with the original Palestinians, and
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Speaker 16: they're simply taking on a name the Romans did in
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Speaker 16: order to block the Jews off the map, and of.
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Speaker 2: Course as a push out of the United States to
48:20
Speaker 2: go back to Judea and Samaria as geographical terms. We'll
48:24
Speaker 2: see what happens with all of that. Hey, John wants
48:26
Speaker 2: to know what is the meaning of the expression kettle
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Speaker 2: of fish?
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Speaker 16: Okay, Back in the eighteenth century, a kettle wasn't the
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Speaker 16: sort of thing we know a kettle to be. It
48:35
Speaker 16: was just a big pot for boiling things in, like
48:37
Speaker 16: a big iron pot. And back in those days the
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Speaker 16: gentry on the Scottish border with England used to have
48:43
Speaker 16: picnics on a river and they would invite their friends
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Speaker 16: and they called it giving a kettle of fish. We
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Speaker 16: might say we're giving a barbecue for our friends. Well,
48:52
Speaker 16: they were giving a kettle of fish. The earliest meaning
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Speaker 16: of kettle of fish, a fine kettle of fish was
48:58
Speaker 16: a mess, a muddle.
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Speaker 12: Fusion.
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Speaker 16: My guess is it's because when you boil fish in
49:04
Speaker 16: the water, the fish all breaks up and becomes a
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Speaker 16: mixture and a bit of a mess. And I think
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Speaker 16: from that visual appearance, the idea of a kettle of
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Speaker 16: fish being a mess and a muddle probably came from that.
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Speaker 2: All right, we're out of time. We have some good
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Speaker 2: ones over next week. Thank you. As always, Kell Show
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night Live here at six o'clock will have obviously
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Speaker 2: the Peda Dutton interview as a pre record, but you
49:29
Speaker 2: know it'll be here at six, it won't be later
49:31
Speaker 2: on the night. It'll be right on my normal spot.
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Speaker 2: You do not want to miss. It's the whole hour now,
49:36
Speaker 2: adds that you'll see a very different side of the
49:39
Speaker 2: man I know. Anyway, up next, Andrew Bolt