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The Late Debate | 5 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Les General, Welcome to the Late Debate. Good evening and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Caleb Bond with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand. Well.
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  Speaker 2: The police are encouraging people to dob in others for
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  Speaker 2: shouting at cyclists. We'll show you the letter one man
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  Speaker 2: received later in the show. You would have heard today
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  Speaker 2: that Bill Shorten is retiring from politics to go off
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  Speaker 2: into academia as vice chancellor of the University of Canberra. Well,
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  Speaker 2: one of the papers reveals that to assist his middle
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  Speaker 2: health after losing in twenty nineteen, he adopted a fat dog.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that a bit later.
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  Speaker 2: And breaking news, Vladimir Putin has endorsed someone for the
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  Speaker 2: president of the United States. We'll tell you who and
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  Speaker 2: why later on, but first a Late Debate special. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's not an episode of The Late Debate if we
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  Speaker 2: don't get stuck into at least one council. So we're
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  Speaker 2: going to start the batting with that tonight. And tonight
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  Speaker 2: it's Randwick Council in Sydney. That's in our cross here
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  Speaker 2: is because of course Day, like many other councils, decided
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  Speaker 2: it would be a grand idea to debate about Israel
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  Speaker 2: and Gaza, because you know Benjamin nettin Yahu and Hamasa
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  Speaker 2: sitting around with baited breath waiting to find out what
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  Speaker 2: Randwick Council thinks before they take any further action in
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  Speaker 2: that conflict. But we find out today how much money
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  Speaker 2: Randwick Council spent having these debates and apparently for the
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  Speaker 2: security and catering they needed for the special meetings in
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  Speaker 2: order to discuss geopolitics issues on the other side of
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  Speaker 2: the world. Randwick Council spent thirteen thousand dollars. And you
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  Speaker 2: might think, well, that's not a great deal of money.
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  Speaker 2: Who really cares about that? But think about all the
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  Speaker 2: other councils that did exactly the same thing. This is
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  Speaker 2: your rates, after all, this is magnified across the entire country.
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  Speaker 2: And we find out these numbers because of a new
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  Speaker 2: lobby group called Better Council Group. If only we could
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  Speaker 2: actually get better councils, the leader of which Sophie Calland
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  Speaker 2: is now painning to get rid of the Greens in Randwich.
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  Speaker 2: She says it suits the Green's agenda to continuously distract
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  Speaker 2: voters when presented with the facts of their performance in
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  Speaker 2: these roles. Let's talk about all the things that councils
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  Speaker 2: can't have any effect on, like war in Gaza, for instance.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not just the thirteen thousand dollars they spent
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  Speaker 2: staging these meetings. The mayor, the Greens mayor in Randwick
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  Speaker 2: put up a Facebook post with photographs of an anti
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  Speaker 2: Zionist rally. Someone a member of the community then made
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  Speaker 2: a complaint to the council under the Code of Conduct
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  Speaker 2: and said that this was discriminatory and so's division within
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  Speaker 2: the community. So that was then investigated. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: how much it cost them to investigate a Facebook post?
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  Speaker 2: Thirty four five hundred dollars to be precise. The complaint
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  Speaker 2: said the posting of these images may be construed as intimidation,
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  Speaker 2: harassment to famatory, threatening and discriminatory to our community, which
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  Speaker 2: includes two Jewish days skuls and two synagogues. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: what better for councils to get up to debating these
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  Speaker 2: issues that they have no effect over is and then
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  Speaker 2: spending tens of thousands of dollars investigating complaints about Facebook posts.
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  Speaker 3: Business as usual for counsels Like you say, this is
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  Speaker 3: just one council, how many of them have taken upon
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  Speaker 3: themselves to venture into geopolitics and who should be blowing up?
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  Speaker 1: Who shouldn't be?
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  Speaker 3: Whose side are we on instead of roads rates and
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  Speaker 3: rubbish for crying out loud. I love the idea of
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  Speaker 3: this Better Counsel's campaign. I hope they're absolutely cashed up.
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  Speaker 3: I hope they've got some full time staff on board,
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  Speaker 3: because that is a full time job. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how effective they can be, because of course these
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  Speaker 3: councils don't seem to change very drastically. Come each election,
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  Speaker 3: you hope for drastic change, except for this year. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: nobody's hoping for drastic change because the vast majority of
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  Speaker 3: the Limbs didn't even get their application, so there is
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  Speaker 3: no vote for change this time round. So you'd almost
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  Speaker 3: wonder why Better Counsel this campaign isn't just cooling their
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  Speaker 3: jets at this point because almost all hope is lost.
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  Speaker 3: So many of the others couldn't even apply to run.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them are incumbents, so they won't be.
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  Speaker 4: They say they will.
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  Speaker 5: I'll get all those votes that can't go to the
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  Speaker 5: Libs now, so I think exactly perfect time you can.
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  Speaker 1: It's just going to be more of the same from
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  Speaker 1: these council.
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  Speaker 5: I think, I think Randwick Council. I think it just
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't go far enough. I just I don't understand
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  Speaker 5: why we only know their position on one foreign policy?
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  Speaker 5: What's their position on Yemen? What's their position on South Sudan?
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  Speaker 5: What's their position on Brexit Amenia? What's the Armenia? Ukraine
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  Speaker 5: joined the AU NATO? I mean, can council NATO?
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  Speaker 3: No, So maybe they should send a letter to NATO
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  Speaker 3: letter Ukraine.
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  Speaker 2: Can't join at the moment, they what do they make
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  Speaker 2: of the EU elections?
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  Speaker 5: I imagine that would be emotional itself. I remember it's
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  Speaker 5: always whenever the Greens get involved, unsurprisingly, like most councils
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  Speaker 5: go about their business and they kind of and indeed
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  Speaker 5: the local government minister is now as a former mayor
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  Speaker 5: of a council, he's one of the more sensible ones.
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  Speaker 5: But it's always wherever the Greens get controlled, and they
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  Speaker 5: always get control of sporadically of the in a West council,
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  Speaker 5: it's with Labour now, thank god at the moment, but
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  Speaker 5: when they've.
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  Speaker 2: Been debating the whole Israel guards Greens and they've been
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  Speaker 2: having like vicious fights at Council meeting security called in
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  Speaker 2: slanging matches.
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  Speaker 5: Also, I remember when the Greens Ranichhart Council was the
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  Speaker 5: precursor that in the West and they were doing like
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  Speaker 5: I think they were sending money to East Team or yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and then there was another one there was And when
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  Speaker 5: the Greens were running in a West council more recently,
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  Speaker 5: they were debating orcas.
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine about it? Worried about it? Nuclear submarines sailing.
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  Speaker 2: You would know, being an Inner wisty as mr and
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  Speaker 2: you know it's it's it's amazing living in the Inner
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  Speaker 2: West as a right winger. Actually quite like it because
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  Speaker 2: no one in the Inn West knows what I do
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  Speaker 2: because they don't consume this kind of media. If only
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  Speaker 2: they did, they'd have an education.
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  Speaker 1: But because they don't, watch out, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Can just sort of walk around with total anonymity in
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  Speaker 2: the Inner West. But just down the street from me
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  Speaker 2: is a little sign that says, you know, the Inner
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  Speaker 2: West or Lighthart Nuclear Free. As though there was going
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  Speaker 2: to be a nuclear subarge just sort of sail.
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  Speaker 5: Up all those plans to build a giant nuclear reactor
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  Speaker 5: in King Street, New Town.
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  Speaker 1: Somehow, well that would be the best nuclear.
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  Speaker 5: Also, racism is not welcome in the in the West
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  Speaker 5: and Blara Council.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be solved to know.
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  Speaker 5: They have little signs there saying races. Apparently, if you
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  Speaker 5: go to any council area, any local government area where
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  Speaker 5: there isn't a sign saying racism isn't welcome, it's fine
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  Speaker 5: to be just becaus racist as you want. It's totally fine.
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  Speaker 5: I love it, unless you've got a sign saying don't
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  Speaker 5: be racist. Also, I just assume that bank robbery is
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  Speaker 5: legal unless there's no sign saying bank robbery not welcome here,
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  Speaker 5: sign that it's okay.
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  Speaker 4: That's waiting for it.
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  Speaker 5: Really again, I want to know what is Randwick Council's
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  Speaker 5: position on bank robbery. Why haven't they felt this right?
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  Speaker 5: If you're going to go into all the jurisdictions which
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  Speaker 5: councils have absolutely not in it with, let's go into
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  Speaker 5: the crime.
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  Speaker 3: Were right on the raygun controversy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't give them ideas. We need to know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you're in New South Wales, maybe hope is
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  Speaker 3: on the way for misbehaving counselors. As the state government
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  Speaker 3: has decided to weigh in, there's been so many complaints
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  Speaker 3: behavioral complaints leveled at counselors that the state government has
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  Speaker 3: decided we're going to do a report on this, and
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  Speaker 3: we're going to start by reducing the code of conduct
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  Speaker 3: down from one hundred pages to two or three pages.
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  Speaker 1: Get this.
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  Speaker 3: The data provided as part of this report that the
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  Speaker 3: state government is doing found four two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 3: nine complaints over the three years preceding twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 3: to twenty twenty three, but of these, fewer than twenty
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  Speaker 3: resulted in serious repercussions for offending counselors. So the states like,
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  Speaker 3: clearly the system's broken, we're gonna tidy it up. Check
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  Speaker 3: out this graph, which I believe may have just been
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  Speaker 3: up on your screen. This is how many complaints there
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  Speaker 3: have been in just these six councils.
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  Speaker 1: What the heck is going on?
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  Speaker 6: In Cumberland they had eighty four complaints, spent almost one
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  Speaker 6: hundred and fifty thousand rate pay of dollars on sorting
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  Speaker 6: those out, and zero zero what there were found to
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  Speaker 6: be a breach.
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  Speaker 3: So you've gotta love government because you make a complaint
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  Speaker 3: and they say, thank you for that. We'll investigate our
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  Speaker 3: selves and get back to you as to whether there's
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  Speaker 3: been a breach, but the Office of Local Government in
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: Is onto it.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a quote from the Local Government Minister Ron Hohenegg.
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  Speaker 3: He says the options presented in this discussion paper put
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  Speaker 3: the owners back on addressing and resolving issues of council
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  Speaker 3: and misbehavior at a local level, rather than escalating complaints
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  Speaker 3: for the state government or private investigators to fix. For
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  Speaker 3: far too long the system has been abused. It's time
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  Speaker 3: to restore public confidence in councils.
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  Speaker 1: And ensure the dignity of.
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  Speaker 3: This vital third tier of government is upheld. Mate, that
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  Speaker 3: ship has sailed. But hey, dreams are free, so go
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  Speaker 3: your heart.
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  Speaker 1: At I mean, great idea, a great idea.
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  Speaker 2: And then what they're proposing now is that you know,
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  Speaker 2: councilors who misbehave could face fines and suspensions and all
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  Speaker 2: this sort of thing. But from reading these numbers, it
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  Speaker 2: sounds to me like it's not necessarily the council's council
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  Speaker 2: laws who are being complained about that are behaving badly.
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  Speaker 2: It's the councilors and members of the public who are
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  Speaker 2: making the complaints. So if you can have eighty four
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  Speaker 2: complaints in one council investigated to the tune of one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty UK and not one of them was uphild.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a bunch of vications litigans who ought to
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  Speaker 2: be kicked, it.
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  Speaker 4: Would appear so.
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  Speaker 5: And interestingly Cumberland, I'm not sure exactly what if the
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  Speaker 5: time period overlapsed, but most recently Cumberland was the subject
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  Speaker 5: of a very deliberate campaign of complaint by people who
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  Speaker 5: are upset about a book about same set in the
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  Speaker 5: local library. And this caused all sorts of furora. So
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  Speaker 5: that may explain those high numbers. It's where of course
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  Speaker 5: that was recent.
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  Speaker 4: Though that was really recent.
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  Speaker 5: It might have been captured in these numbers, but certainly
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  Speaker 5: that was that was one of the things that definitely
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  Speaker 5: blew up recently and it was one of those things
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  Speaker 5: that was found to.
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  Speaker 4: Be completely fruivalous.
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  Speaker 5: So it's quite easy for people to whip up outrage
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  Speaker 5: about something or particular, something something or other in particular,
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  Speaker 5: and then there's another one in Bumbrey Council that's happened,
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  Speaker 5: in w A that's happening, and have all this stuff
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  Speaker 5: brought to bear, often from people outside the l g
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  Speaker 5: A and then then to be found that it's just
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  Speaker 5: a big nothing butter and I love the idea of
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  Speaker 5: private investigators bring it all nine hours when I saw
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  Speaker 5: the counselor escape.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of confidence in this proposed
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  Speaker 3: new system though, because get this, this is this is
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  Speaker 3: how the state government is proposing.
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  Speaker 1: This would now go.
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  Speaker 3: So you make a behavioral complaint against one of your counselors,
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  Speaker 3: this is how it's decided. Three tests for alleged misbehavior.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to simplify here, right, So there's just three
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  Speaker 3: tests proposed. One any unbecoming conduct, Okay, that's clear as mud.
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  Speaker 3: Number two bringing counsel into disrepute, Okay, because that's not highly.
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  Speaker 5: According to Caleb, every single council has already been brought
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  Speaker 5: in executive.
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  Speaker 1: So that's all of the three.
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  Speaker 3: Behavior assessed as being outside the norms and expectations of
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  Speaker 3: a sitting counselor. I'm pretty sure that's just the same
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  Speaker 3: thing said three times over, slightly differently, but okay, And
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  Speaker 3: under this new system, this would then be sent to
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  Speaker 3: a committee of mayors in ex mayors to decide whether
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  Speaker 3: you have, in fact breach one of these three. But
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  Speaker 3: they all sound so highly subjective.
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  Speaker 1: Something that you.
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  Speaker 3: Say brings disrepior, I might argue is just free speech,
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  Speaker 3: and so on and so forth and counselor.
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  Speaker 5: And not only does it go to a career of
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  Speaker 5: mayors and x mayors. The local government minister who came
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  Speaker 5: up with this is himself.
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  Speaker 2: An X may and council is just make umpteen complaints
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  Speaker 2: about each other because they know it gets caught up
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  Speaker 2: in the process and it takes so long, and it's
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  Speaker 2: hanging over people's heads, and they do it in the
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  Speaker 2: lead up to council elections, so it's still there on
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  Speaker 2: the books when the election.
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  Speaker 1: Comes along on and on it goes.
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  Speaker 2: These people are so damn petty, it's not funny, and
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  Speaker 2: they're doing it with your money and my money.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to some.
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  Speaker 2: More madness in Melbourne where one hospital, Monash Hospital, is
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  Speaker 2: now telling staff that it may have to discharge people
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  Speaker 2: early because they don't have enough money to keep them
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  Speaker 2: in hospital.
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  Speaker 1: What an extraordinary position to be in now.
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  Speaker 2: This is despite the fact that one and a half
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  Speaker 2: billion extra dollars was given by the Allen government two
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  Speaker 2: hospitals in its last state budget. But the hospitals still
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  Speaker 2: think they do not have enough money to do the
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  Speaker 2: jobs they need to do. They send an email around
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  Speaker 2: Bonish Hospital, that is to the staff this week saying,
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  Speaker 2: in the meantime, our current budget directives remain in place.
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  Speaker 2: We will continue to drive efficiency and reduce costs where
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  Speaker 2: we can be this through reduced length of stay, improved
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: coding and data capture, reduced failure to attend rates, or
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  Speaker 2: simply working smarter.
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  Speaker 1: You're not entirely well yet doesn't matter. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: go home. We've got to put someone else in that bed.
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  Speaker 1: We can't afford to keep me here.
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  Speaker 2: And there's even the suggestion in Victoria that some doctors
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  Speaker 2: are going to have to take a pay cut so
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  Speaker 2: that the hospitals can keep running. You know, it's the
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  Speaker 2: most basic staff for a state government to be on
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  Speaker 2: top of.
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  Speaker 1: To think that you would a kick people out of.
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  Speaker 2: Hospital early when they're probably not entirely well because you
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  Speaker 2: can't afford to keep them in the hospital and asked doctors,
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  Speaker 2: some of the most hard working people in the public system,
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  Speaker 2: to take up pay cut.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane.
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  Speaker 3: It makes sense though, that these hospitals are sticking with
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  Speaker 3: the budget because so the state government handed down these
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  Speaker 3: budget cuts in May, all the hospitals freaked out and
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  Speaker 3: advise the state government, Hey, this would literally mean drastic
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  Speaker 3: cuts to care, Like, let's be completely frankier, we simply
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  Speaker 3: can't do this. But they've crunched the numbers they've come
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  Speaker 3: up with their new budgets. The state government backflipped a
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  Speaker 3: month later and said, here's an extra one point five bill.
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  Speaker 3: But a hospital like Monash and any other hospital in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria doesn't know how much of that is now going
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: to come into their coffers. So naturally they're still like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we just need to stick with the cuts that we've
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  Speaker 3: made to be far more efficient. But efficiency and kicking
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: people out of hospital beds early, and like you say,
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  Speaker 3: this is one of the most crucial, simplistic, bottom line
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  Speaker 3: issues for the government to pay for. This is what
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: we give you our tax dollars for, so when people
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: are sick you can look after them, and you can't
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  Speaker 3: even do that. It's just yet another notch on the
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: belt of why to leave Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Tell that, I mean, they've got to be so broken, imagining,
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  Speaker 2: so broke that you can't even keep people in This that.
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  Speaker 5: Is broke in both senses of the word, it is
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: just broken functionally, it has become institutionally broken, and obviously
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: the various corruption bodies in the Oberinsmen have had something
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: to say about that. But also it's just got no money.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: And all the people say, are we living in society
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  Speaker 5: not an economy. If you can't balance a budget, if
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: you can't keep a state economy ticking over to the
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: point where you can run budget surpluces to pay for
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  Speaker 5: the services you need, this is what happened. You get
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: people gotten up with little aprons on and marched out
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  Speaker 5: the doors with their little white tushy flashing in the background.
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  Speaker 5: And if that wants if you want that to be
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  Speaker 5: the face of Victoria, carry on well.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of them having no money, the Allen government in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria is now facing seventeen thousand, five hundred police officers
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  Speaker 3: who want a pay rise yesterday, and our undertaking industrial
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: action to see that they get it. The nurses just
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: got a twenty eight percent pay rise. The firefighters are
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: fighting for similar, so are the paramedics. This is a
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  Speaker 3: broke government who is simply sitting there with empty pockets
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: saying we can't help you out at the moment. So
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: the cops are taking matters into their own hands, demanding
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: a twenty four percent pay rise, which would be six
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: percent annually over the next four years, as well as
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: the introduction of eight point five hour shifts, because of
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  Speaker 3: course they do a lot of overtime and they're not
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  Speaker 3: getting paid for it, so they're sick and tired of it.
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  Speaker 3: They want a fair deal. The nurses just got one
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  Speaker 3: and they like the idea of it. Here is Police
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  Speaker 3: Association Secretary Wayne Gatt telling us just how dire the
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: situation for police in Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: Is right now.
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  Speaker 7: Morale is hopeless in policing. I've really seen it worse,
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  Speaker 7: to be quite honest, and I know it's easy to
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: come out and say that, but just imagine it. The
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: police station behind me is all all but closed. It's
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: all but closed. There's a couple of police officers inside,
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: but that's all you got today. Fitzroy is shut. That's
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: the closest police s action. We can't do this press
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: conference there because it's shut today. That's how threadbare these
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: police stations are. So imagine what it's like working in
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: that environment. Because I can tell you now crime is
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: not going down in Victoria, so the workload confronting police
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: officers and persos is not getting any less.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Way to tell the crimson Victoria, Hey, stright, now, while
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the iron's hot. Should they actually get this deal with
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: the state government, it would add two hundred and ten
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: million dollars to the three point two billion dollar bill
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: that the taxpayer pays every year in Victoria to fund
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: the police. When you put it that way, it doesn't
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: sound like that much more.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: And show's got no money.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Don't give the hospitals to stop sick.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: These guys are saying, we can't keep operating under the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: current system.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: We need more.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: You've got to do better by us. What what option
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: does the state have these.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Guys going again?
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: They destroyed the economy during COVID. They destroyed the economy
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: for votes to stoke and appease people's fears.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: And this is the result of it.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: They have.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: They have literally driven the state into the ground. They've
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: given the economy into the ground to the point where
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: they can't even put on the Commonwealth games basically an
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: egg and spoon race, and they've simply.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Got no money.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: They can't get enough coppers, they can't keep people who
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: are sick in hoss and it's extraordinary that they've got
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: no money because the land tax in Victoria, and anyone
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: who owns a rental property in Victoria will know what
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, has gone through the roof. Daniel Andrews
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: fiddled with that, jacked it up so much. I mean,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I know people who are selling up in Victoria any
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: property they've got and buying in wa Queensland, New South Wales,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: South Australia, basically anywhere else because the land tax has
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: gone so high. And you know what that's done, It's
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: driven the rents up. Well done to the Alan gup.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The one win, the one win though that the police
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: have had in Victoria is they've been given the power
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: to move on a bunch of do good a protesters
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: who are going to rock up to one of the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: biggest military expos in Melbourne next week. Now there's been
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a threat from the Greens in particular this thing, what's
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: it called. I've lost the lame horses the landforces, Thank
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: you very much, Joe. It's the biggest military expo in
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: the country. It's one of the biggest military expos in
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the world. Actually it was in Brisbane two years ago
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. This edition is going to be
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: held in Melbourne just next week, and there have been
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: threats that will be up to twenty thousand protesters rocking
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: up to this thing. How exactly they're going to do that,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but the police have now been given
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the power to move on any protesters who rock up
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: with masks on, because of course if you rock up
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: with a mask, you're concealing your identity because you're going
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to be up to no good. We've got a little
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: taste of how all of this might go in Brisbane
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: two years ago.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Take a look, I mean Granny with her pot. There
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is doing a lot.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: But of course now we have the other complications laughing.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: We have the added complication of the war between Israel
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: and Gazas. So the Greens are incensed about it. How
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: dare you have a military expo? We should not be
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: allowed to defend ourselves in this country, should we? It's
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: all just a great celebration of war. Well I'd like
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: to see what the Greens will do when China finally
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: rocks up at the shores. We won't have anything left
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: to defend ourselves because they said you don't need military whatsoever.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: But I do find it slightly ironic that the Victorian
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: police have now been given the power to move on
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: people who wear masks to protest, when just three odd
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: years ago, if you rocked up to a protest and
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you didn't have a mask on, will you be.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Arrested for that?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Ah? Very good.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: It's hard for these guys to stay on top of things, really,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, no wonder the Victorian police are just like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: we've had enough, We're out of here. These Queenslanders are
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: going to be doing the same. Do you want mass
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: on or mass off for crying out loud? But whatever
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you've got to do to get rid of the protesters
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: so people can go about their lawful business. It's not
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a protest if you're stopping people from doing that. Back
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: to Victoria, where a lesbian group is seeking the Administration
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Tribunals of Appeals to overturn a decision made by the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Human Rights Commission back in October last year which said
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: that they were forbidden to disallow trans women and bisexuals
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: from attending their public events. For lesbian group says, we
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: are seeking to discriminate. We're female and.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: We'd like some rights please.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Well, good luck, lesbians.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: We scrape women haven't had any luck in this space,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: but strength to your arm, try your hardest while not Meanwhile,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: a member of this group says they are so isolated
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: speaking about lesbian feminists. They have no one else to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: talk to and they don't know where to find the support.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: There's nothing anti trans or about our application at all. Well,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: if only we could say that every time we'd like
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: a biology man ejected from our female lonly gyms or
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: female only sports or female lonely anything. So I'm very
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: curious to see how this ends, because if the lesbians
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: get the rights that us straight women have been fighting
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: for four years now unsuccessfully, that's going.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: To I was going to say.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was going to say,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: more strength to the lesbian arm. But a lesbian arm
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: probably has more strength than a lot of other women's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: arms in many cases. But well, I'm just saying that
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: they actually know they work out, and have you ever
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: watched the AFLW.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Right women don't work out anyway?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: The comparison that they're making in this case is to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the Peel Hotel in Melbourne, which was a gay bar
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that was given the ability to turn away straight men
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: because it was a haven for gay men. And this
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: is go back decades, but it was a place for
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: gay men to go and feel safe away from the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: rest of society. So they were given the ability to
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: turn straight in a way at the door. And the
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: lesbians are saying, well, why can't we have exactly the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: same right. The only difference here is that we are female,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and I don't see why they shouldn't have the right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: We had this discussion all the time about whether there
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: should be men's only clubs and women's only clubs, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of course the complaint is always about men only clubs.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: We never talk about the fact that, you know, for
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the Adelaide Club, there's also the Queen Adelaide Club, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: on and on it goes there are exclusive clubs only
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: for women.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Member.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Well, well, I mean you can.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Club is a gay bartrite my applications in for the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Queen out of the club because I could be a
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: woman for all you know. But but why should they
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: not be able to have a place or a space
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: or an event that is exclusively for lesbian women.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would think if it's your group and you've
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: kind of started, it's kind of like saying anyone should
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: be allowed to be in the Beatles. Well, no, if
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: it's your group and you've formed it for a particular.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Look how that went in the courts with Giggles versus
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Giggle versus Tickle exact que a ridiculous same for a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: court case. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: But they had created an online space that was supposed
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to be women only and they've lost.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: They've lost in court.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: That's right not to mention the case of Giggle and
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: who which is about an owl? And anyway, point.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Being, I think you should be able to you, you
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: should be able to decide, you should have a right
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: to do and don't want to associate with. And again
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: I do not understand a Melbourne left This is another
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: example of how broken Melbourne is. I don't understand Melbourne
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: left wing landscape in which lesbian separatism is not allowed.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: How fitial home.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Melbourne.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: My entire nineteen nineties at Melbourne University, that's just all
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: everything is turned upside down now. And I know a
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: bit about the appeals policy on heterosexual men because I
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: went to the Peel when my youth, and I always
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: thought it was very unfair because I I went there
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: and you know, the girls would often want to go
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: there because girls I want to go to gay bars
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: because they don't get harassed on the advance floor and stuff.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: But I, you know, I get dragged along. And I
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: always thought it was terribly unfair because of course I
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: am incredibly hot, and so as soon as I walk
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: in the door, guys hitting on me right and said,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hurt their feelings or anything. And
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: I also obviously don't want to say, oh sorry, I'm straight,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: because that's just false advertised, you know what I'm saying,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: And so you.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Know I've got you know, I had this poor guy
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: hitting on me for like ten minutes.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Cruel to Joe.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: That's right, That's what I'm saying.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: I'm supporting it to some boundaries here. There's only so
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: much of the Joe dog to go around.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But you know, you'd be more worried if they weren't
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: interested in you, because you go, well, then I really am.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: No, I'm beautiful, I'm hot to try and you should
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: see me cuts and moves on the down floor.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that. Actually, we should do
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that one night.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: There's a you don't see it here on the set,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: but there is actually over behind Liz's shoulder. There there
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: is a little bit where you could do a jig,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and I reckon, we should get Joe up there one
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: night after we've got a couple of shep see how
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: we go.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: We're going to do some karaoke on the Late.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Debate one night, let's go to the UK where the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Nottingham Shear Police have come up with a novel idea.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: And I hate this stuff because you know, the world
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: is divided enough as it is, but the Nottingham Shear
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Police are now asking members of the public to dobby
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in other members of the public for things that aren't
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: quite crimes, but they don't particularly like. So if you
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: see someone doing something on the road that perhaps isn't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: against the law, but you think it's a bit iffy,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: well seeing some vision after the police, and then the
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: police will use their abundant resources. They must be doing
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a bit better than the Victorian police to send a
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: letter to the driver of that vehicle or the owner
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: of that vehicle to say, buddy, you should do a
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: little bit better next time.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: And of course some of the.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Complaints that are coming in are about people shouting at
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: cyclists and one man has put his letter up on
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: X of course formerly Twitter, in which it says, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: you can see the letter on the screen. The police
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: have taken the time to write this. He's not committed
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: any crime runing to him anyway. The letter says, quote,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it is alleged that the driver of the vehicle pulled
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: alongside a group of cyclists and shouted single file, you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: bunch of and the next word starts with a C.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Whilst riding to a breast may appear to take may
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: it bear to take up more road space? Cyclists can
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: ride to a breast and it can.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Be safer to do so, particularly in larger groups.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: So please bear be a r that's not how U
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: spell bear shame mind when using the roads. And I'm
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: sure there are cyclists watching tonight who are like, hooray,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: finally someone standing up for us. But surely police resources
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: could be better used than sending off letters to people
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: for using naughty words. But to the cyclists who are
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: watching and have encountered this before, well they know what
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: we're talking about.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: But you really pressed me on what I haven't done
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: anything that's the problem.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: But d'ant to bought you over down?
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Well, Tom Dimon all blah, don't you like her? Back
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to polite job, I get the back way. I am
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: in the bicklayyah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Well just.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: For our deputy head of Programs, James Birtles, who was
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: complaining before the show that we we're going to slag
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: off cyclists here tonight. But surely the police have better
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: things to do than sending off letters because someone swore
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it someone Well.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Look even James of Defense.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I was going to slag off cyclist until I got
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: his email and discovered he was a cyclist. Now I
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: am fighting for cyclists to the dead. I will die
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: on this shill. These not all heroes wear capes somewhere
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: like her.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: They shouldn't be wearing on behalf of the on behalf
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: of the community.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: James James is actually a fit bloke, so he probably
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't look as bad in like her as some of
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: the blokes I see getting around.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: My father's a mammal bug.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: No, I I can't stand up for them.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I almost had a heart attack just last week taking
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: out a cyclist who seemed to think it was perfectly
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: okay to cut in front of a car.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: He did not indicate that he.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Was turning I'm going straight and I heard, for the
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: first time in my life a grown man's scream. But
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it was terrifying thought for me. I almost someone through
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: no fall to my own. This guy's just blissfully cycling
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: along and decides to without even looking over his shoulder,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: so there wasn't any hand out.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I'm about to go right. He didn't even look. He
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: was just veering off to the right in front of me.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: It was absolutely terrifying, right into the police.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: When you should ride into the police and traumatize.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: The only problem is that because he's riding a bike,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have a registration plate or anything on the front,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: so they won't know who he is.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: They can't write back to it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not for that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not for that. I know you would be.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Actually, I do not think that bikes should be registered,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: because the one beauty of riding a bike is that
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you can break the law, you can run red lights,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you can speak as you.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Want, and you can die out of dark places. Here
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: what are they? This is this is the existential question
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: of the bike of the cyclist. What are you?
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I was in Darlinghurst, in City, in the city city,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: very urbane, sophisticated environment. You know, I would vote for
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Clover more and more often if they could. And I'm
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: right there with my old stumping ground, and this perfectly
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: like cool little, friendly, little inner city type is just
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: sitting there in the cool little inner city fuel efficient
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: motor vehicle and e bike user sort of crossed the
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: road in front of them and then was and then
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: was on the road in front of them, So it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: just sort of like cross the road like a pedestrian
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and then and then took off like a car as
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I was using the lane, and.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: You could see the driver's head exploded and he.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Just got okay, and you want car or and he
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: didn't make up your mind?
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: What are you?
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: I think this is what This is what we've got
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: to get to the bottom of, because everyone like there
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: is they are?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Is they think they are?
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: This is a matter of intense psychoanalytical interest. This could
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: change the way the human mind works.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Is it a bird?
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Is it a plane?
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Is it an e is it a cycle?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Let's stick in the UK for a moment where the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Manchester Museum has well, I've been having a strange exhibition recently.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: They've decided that they need to reinterpret everything within the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: museum within the lens of lgbt IQ. I thought Pride
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Month was back in June, but apparently they're only just.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Catching up Pride Month in the UK. That's correct. In fact,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: every day is Pride Day.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: They get to three hundred and sixty five days a year,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and three hundred and sixty six in a leap year
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: these days, it seems. But the Manchester Museum has seen
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: fit to sort of tell you everything you're looking at
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: in the museum and what sort of connection it might
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: have to lgbt IQ history, which means they've deal into
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: the history of a lot of the things that they
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: have in this museum, including the texta Dormied Animals and
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: who would have thought that taxidermied animals are proof of.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: All the discrimination in the world. Manchester Museums proved it somehow.
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: So you can see behind me, Who've got a lot
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: of birds, a lot of taxidermy birds, and so during
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: the Victorian period was when a lot of these birds
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: were taxidermy. The Victorian period was really run by sins,
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: straight white men, and is very clear their perceptions that
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: are shown in beers.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So the woman was.
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: Usually seen as quite submissive. That's why she's seen us
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: lower down. The man was seen as very dominant, so
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: that's when he was positioned higher up. And then having
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: the children is really solidifying that nucleus family that was
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: a big thing back day. What's very interesting as well
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: is that when we actually look at the collection that
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: we have, about eighty percent of the animals and insects
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: are male. So even when we're looking around the museum,
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: most of this as a proportional to what we see
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: day to day.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there are too many male taxidermy birds
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: nuclear family, which was big back then, she says. She
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: then goes on because that clip thing goes on for
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: another minute or so. She then goes on to say
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that there are lots of examples of insects and stuff
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that they've got in the museum, and that these insects
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: are intersex and you know, this is proof of the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: l g B t i Q stuff going on in
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the world. I thought, I thought we all knew that
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: snails and certain fish and whatever can change their sex.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Took nothing to do with them being l g B
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: t i Q. I don't think a fish could tell
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: you what it identifies as it's just a part of nature.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But well, supposedly the penguins are gain but they never
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: actually asked the.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: They just assumed because.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine delving so deep into the fact that there
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: are too many male texta dormied animals and thinking that
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: that is proof of misogyny.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Even taxidermied animals speak to.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: The fact that we're all oppressed.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I just love the fact that she that she said
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: that the Victorian period was run by straight hock.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Did she forget who the queen was?
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: There was one exception to that rule.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, she's right, she's right, But in almost every other
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: case it was one fairly significant exception to that rule.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Just the queen didn't get a mention, clearly doesn't know
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: her history, among other things. Just quickly, before we go
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to the break, Elon Musk has agreed to censor Elon
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Musk basically in Brazil, following a court order. You may
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: be across this long running now fight between Brazil, who
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: does not want freedom of speech in its country and Elon,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: who's here to bring free speech to the world.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: They the court in Brazil.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: That is, has cut off star Link's assets. They literally
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: froze their account to pressure the company to cover fines
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: imposed on X, otherwise known as Twitter in Brazil. So Starlink,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: which is owned and operated by Elon Musk, has finally
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: agreed to deplatform X, which is owned and operated by
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk, to obey the court order while fighting using
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: everything at his disposal to overturn this and get it
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: back up and running.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: So despite all his money, despite all his money, all
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: his wealth, all his power, all his intelligence, he still
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: couldn't handle a Brazilian whack.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Very evil judge.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: There's a lot more to this story, and I'm telling
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: you we're in the fight of our lives when it
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: comes to free speech in the free world.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: X Max the spot he After the break, we'll get
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: into the papers and you'll learn that Bill Shorten has
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: a fat dog.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I promise you the story is better than it sounds.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Little bit more.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into the papers, beginning with the camera times.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: The camera times, and a fat dog owned by departing
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: MP Bill Shorten.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: No tears shed there care of the dog.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: The headline raids get it instead of hair of the dog,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: badoom tish.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: An emotionally warm bulldog named Walter help Bill Short and
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: regroup after his dreams of becoming PM were shattered by
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: his unlosable election defeat in twenty nineteen.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: With a new role at the University of Canberra, which
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: will pay him one point one million dollars. After his
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: retirement from parliament, the pair will be spending even more
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: time in the capitol.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Why we're supposed to care for high price, We're supposed
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: to care?
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: I think it's I mean, he's a major states and
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: he's a major Australian political figure, the dog. He's leader
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: of the he's leader of the biggest party in the country.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: For and managed to lose unlosable.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I know, but he was so unlikable anyone could have
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: beat him.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: That's smarting the dimples.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I still remember that debate where I was just like,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: you just lost every vote in this country, even the
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: hardcore labor voters, because he's just so smug all the time,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: with nothing to be smug about.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: It's okay to be smug for me.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Usually got for me. It was the jogging with the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: demand boobs that kept.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Guys issues.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I had my issues with Short for a while as well,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: over the various leadership change challenges and some other stuff.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: But you know, again, I think he's it doesn't make
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: its own great work with the nd I s. The
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: funniest thing.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: About this Thuy is quotable, quotes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Fantastic is he has made it finally laid the bones.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: At least for it actually to be workable and actually
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: financially sustainable. All the writing it's it's very difficult thing
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: to do. But he's cut down on the rotting. He's
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: cut down on the kind of ridiculous sort of large
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: s that was more.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Ships and like exactly crystals exactly.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: And if there's no sex workers on cruise ships, then
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: why would you want.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: To say, yeah, well that's what the Pineapples episode.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: But what is very funny is that there's a saying
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: that in politics, if you want loyalty by a.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Dog, got it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: And Bill Bill Shorten would know about a lot about loyalty,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he. Well he did, But I just is this
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: not the most Canberra story ever? Like so that the
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: dude who could have been Prime Minister leaves Parliament and
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the front of the Canberra Times is he got a
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: dog after he lost in twenty nineteen.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if he've been a camera much.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: There's not a lot else going.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Okay, to the greatest newspaper in the world from the
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: greatest city in the world, the Daily Telegraph, and this
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: yarn is absolutely spectacular. There's a little comment piece by
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: very handsome journo in the paper to go with it.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: We would not believe this. We're too dense, is the
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: class the headlight.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: Mossman locals say they have no room for new home,
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: no room for you, the well heeled suburb of Mossman.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Don't allow when the Telly gets involved a bit of
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: class war.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: We're going to get complaints because you're not saying Mosman.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: Musman has been accused of not pulling its weight amid
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: their state's housing crisis, delivering just sixteen new homes out
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: of a proposed yearly.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Target of one hundred hundred target.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: So to put this in perspective, right, black Town, which
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: is basically the heart of greater western Sydney.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's the biggest LGA. It's got about two
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: hundred fifty three hundred thousand residents in it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: They had a target of four thousand, three hundred new homes.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: They exceeded it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: They built more Mossman had a target of just one
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: hundred and built just sixteen.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: They are shameless, they are well, this is the thing.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: And as I pointed out in my think, these are
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: people who have four times more likely to go to
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: private schools and the rest of the New South Wales
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: population and twice is likely to have a university degree
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: or higher. And so they're obviously not two days. They're
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: obviously smart enough to know there's a housing crisis going on.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: They just don't give a raad.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: But the irony of very is, can we get that
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: picture back up again. He's standing in his own home,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: obviously with ocean front views saying where full He literally says,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: forcing Mosman to build more homes quote just stinks end quote.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: So props to him, actually, because this is a mayor
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: who actually is representing his constituency, because anyone who lives
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: in Mossman knows the whole point of living in Mossman
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: is to keep the unwashed out, the great unwashed out.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: The whole point of living in this hallowed suburb is
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: that you're all just as rich as each other, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: you're all that close to the beach, and you're all
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: living it up and beautiful.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: The same local government area where residents complained about a
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: bowls club because there was a trivia night and a
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: kid's jumping castle. Another resident complained during COVID lockdowns about
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: their neighbor allowing their kids into the backyard before nine am.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Too much noise, our play.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: And also the same suburb which complained about it's only
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: the only one in the entire The entire suburb complained
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: about a COVID testing site.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: And the council shut it down.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: All complains, all complaints about this moment addressed to the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: late debate care of Joe Hildebrand, that.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Meryl candidate, it's got himself.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Exactly correct.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Australian tomorrow where it says, what
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: a surprise, eat less red meat? Climate advice The government
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: agency advising Anthony Albanezi on climate change is suggested Australians
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: could eat less red meat to help produce greenhouse gas
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: emissions amid revelations it may not give the Prime Minister
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: crucial advice on a twenty thirty five target until after
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the election. And they always come back to this, got
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: to eat less red meat, Gotta eat less red meat,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: got add.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Insects eat zibugs zibugs.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: As they say at the World Economic Forum class schwab.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: And seriously, we've already know that they're talking about or
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: going to rewrite the nutritional food pyramid thing to recommend
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: not what is the most nutritious food, but what is
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: supposedly the best for the planet. So even if red
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: meat is better for you, they're going to tell you
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: to eat other stuff to say the planet. Well, what's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the point If I can't have my stake, I don't
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: want to be on the planet.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Well, news flash, the food pyramid was never about nutrition anyway.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Remember when all the grains were at the top shore
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: that is marvelous if you want obese people, some of
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: which can't even process said grains, and they're all like, oh,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: five portions a day. Turned out to be a backdoor
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: deal done with a certain industry at a certain time.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Remember when eggs were like, oh.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: These are terrible cholesterol. Nobody touched them.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Then eggs were back on top.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Everyone eat eggs, great source of protein. These guys change
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: their minds according to whatever the political whimsy of the
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: day is.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And here's more.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Proof of it.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: It's happening in our time right arounder our noses. But
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: this time they're not even pretending to say red meat's
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: bad for you. It's just bad for the planet.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: That's right. Well, got to say this.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: And remember when they said drinking sixteen standard drinks every
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: single night was bad for you.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Now I don't remember that, probably because I was too
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: drunk to remember them saying it. Anyway, one thing that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is good for you, because I always maintained you don't
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: see a fat French person, but they do not exist.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: All they sizes and all that. It is really rich food.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: They eat lot.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: You're lucky you don't some meat French.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I know, I know you hate the free you hate,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: but they they eat lots of red meat. They eat
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: lots of carbs, they eat lots of fatty stuff like
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: like bushes, and they eat lots of dairies.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: And lots of um, lots of humble pie.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: A lot of croissants.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Jersey of dairy.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: At the front page of The Murk, we have a
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: very sad story like King Island cream and cheese producer
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Clothses Dairies, Demise reads the splash. The shock announcement that
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the iconic King Island Dairy, which has operated for more
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: than a Century will close next year. Has devastated the
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: local community, which is fighting to keep it open. The
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: announcement was made today that they are basically going under
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: its sad that they make. They had your poles and
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: lillies and buy up Beg.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can still.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Say I make the best.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Ironically, given that their French cheese has bit, Australians do
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: it better. They makes the best Camembert and cheese and cheese.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I just you know, and I don't know.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly why these shutting down, but you have to wonder
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: whether it's a sad statement about where we're at now,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: where everyone's.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Gluten free, dairy free. You know, everyone drinks alm and milk.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: If you can find me the teat on an arm
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: and I'll believe it's arm and milk. The people are
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: turning away from dairy. Now go out and buy some cheese, please,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I promise you it's good for you. After the break,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin has thrown his weight behind one presidential candidate.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: This news has just come down. We'll tell you who
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it is soon, all right. If all the people in
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the world, you would not want to be I reckon.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: This navy commander is one of them.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Jerm This is absolutely amazing. I just caught up with this.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: I'm usually up to speed with my military news, being
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: a soldier of fortune myself.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Just to kind of you know, like as you can see,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: outdoorsy kind.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Of military, highly disciplined type. But this is the story
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: of a navy warship commander. A commander of the naval
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: warship the USS John McCain. You might be familiar with
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: that name, Liz, which is currently I believe in he
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: has been relieved of his duty, which is a polite
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: way of saying being shown. The door dropped, the axe
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: flushed down the toilet after a post that he posted
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: on social media. And I don't know if we can
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: get a close up of this post.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: What's wrong with this picture?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Hmmm hm.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: He's actually really obvious, like he actually put that scope
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: on himself.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know how he did it. I wouldn't have
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: thought it was able to go in both ways. But
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: basically he is lining up his firing site on himself.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: He's got the scope on backwards and he's posted this
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: on social media. This has viral. The Navy got fully
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: trilled and when you're you know, the world's biggest navy
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: is getting trolled.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: That can be quite embarrassing.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: He has now been relieved of his duty about four
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: months after the incident, and the Navy said that it
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: was due to a loss of confidence in his ability
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: to command the guide miss destroyer.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: I wonder why.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder why the bloke can't even operate.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Seriously, you just.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Jijinping.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: You have nothing to worry about now, I told you before.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Breaking news Vladimir Putin has endorsed a presidential candidate for November.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Who do you think it is? Of course, it's Kamala Harris.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Putin was speaking at an event today where he said
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: that Joe Biden, who was previously his pick for president,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: had backed Kamala Harris, and so he will be doing
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the same, he said, we will do the same. We
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: will support her. His reason for doing so.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: He says, is that she laughs so expressively and infectiously.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: That it means that everything is fine with her, and
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: so it gets the impression because she seems to be
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: so lovely, that maybe she'll refrain from putting any.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Further sanctions on Russia.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: He then went on to say that Trump had put
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: more sanctions on Russia than any other US president, and
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that he thought Trump was erratic and he couldn't predict
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: what he wanted to do.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: So so Kamala bring it up.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: He's clearly picking the weakest. He's clearly picking the weakest.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Before that, he was backing Biden because he said he
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: was a more predictable politician. Of course, Russia is just
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: going to choose whoever gives them the smallest pain in
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: the neck, which would be Kamala.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Don't you give everyone else a pain in the neck.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: That's it from us today, Thank you so much for
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: joining us this week. Up next to the Reader Padding Show,