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IFH 852: Why Moving to LA Might Ruin Your Film Career with Will Ball · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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Speaker 3: This guy is an agent for some of the biggest
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Speaker 3: talent agencies on the East Coast. He's worked with all
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Speaker 3: of them. He just returned from a one year trek
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Speaker 3: out to la where he worked with more of the
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Speaker 3: top agencies out there. This guy has been through it all.
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Speaker 3: Awesome guy, a lot of knowledge. He's now returned to Philly.
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Speaker 3: He's starting his own agency here called the Vie Model
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Speaker 3: and Talent Agency. We're gonna talk all about that and
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Speaker 3: and so much more. Also about finding representation, which is
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Speaker 3: a huge question. I get asked a lot about his
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Speaker 3: find representation. So I imagine this episode and the one with
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Speaker 3: Whitney Davis is going to be pretty popular, as Whitney's
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Speaker 3: episode is very popular. So without further ado with guests,
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Speaker 3: Will Ball's up. This is from seasons Yeah, for seasons
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Speaker 3: pizza who to funk it? Right? So you know it's
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Speaker 3: funny because I was gonna order Chinese or pizza, and
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Speaker 3: I was like, let me, let me turn towards some
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Speaker 3: cheese steaks. Let me just see how because again, you're
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Speaker 3: ever here in Philadelphia, and if you don't actually have
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Speaker 3: a good cheese steak, you get beaten, savage orly out
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Speaker 3: in the parking lot. Yes, seriously, but you know, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's funny having you on the show, Will,
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Speaker 3: because again I had Crispy on two episodes ago. This
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Speaker 3: is episode one fifty two.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and guys, that real quick, someone like here correctly,
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Speaker 4: because let's listen to the Crispy podcast. One of your
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Speaker 4: guests like murdered somebody or.
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Speaker 3: Oh oh oh it was Dan Mervish and the guy
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Speaker 3: he was taught uh filmmaking by at u USC. He
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Speaker 3: murdered his family.
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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so it wasn't an actual because it was
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Speaker 4: at the beginning and I was I was kind of
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Speaker 4: doing some at the same time, so I wasn't like
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Speaker 4: I was like eighty percent listing yeah, and I just
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Speaker 4: started I was like, wait, what both his guests kill somebody?
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Speaker 3: Damn these confessions of a serial kill all the day.
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Speaker 4: Able to deliver his manifesto your Body.
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Speaker 3: I was like, the police are just out here beating
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Speaker 3: the crap out of me because but no, his teacher.
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Speaker 3: But basically what happened was a concise story of this
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Speaker 3: was his name was Crazy as Ease, and they called
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Speaker 3: him that because he was kind of like always outlandish
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Speaker 3: and deird. What happened was one day they called him
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Speaker 3: in the office and they said there's a camera missing
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Speaker 3: and we didn't know who took it, and he said,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. He got fired from from that from USCA.
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Speaker 3: His wife then announced that she was leaving him, and
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Speaker 3: it kind of snapped and he killed them both and
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Speaker 3: then drove away and shot himself in the head. But
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Speaker 3: they but they didn't know he was dead yet. Because
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Speaker 3: it just vanished. So they had USC on lockdown. Uh
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Speaker 3: they so they basically, yeah, they had to. You know,
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Speaker 3: basically everyone was scared to death because they're like, he
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Speaker 3: gotta come because he apparently had vendettas against certain people.
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Speaker 3: So they were like, oh ship, so but yeah, no
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Speaker 3: serial killers left yet.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I see see what happens after this?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, seriously, Crispy, who knows he could be crazy
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Speaker 3: because because he's not the guys like me, because it's
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Speaker 3: always the guys who were like, he's so nice and sweet.
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Speaker 3: He was just.
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Speaker 4: If you're on the news, you're like, I would have
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Speaker 4: never thought it was that guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just be like, Chrispy did that out of nowhere?
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Speaker 4: Fair enough? Fair enough for.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so to say, no, no, no problem, it's
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Speaker 3: good to talk about that. And that's that's episode one,
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Speaker 3: damn iver right for Crispy. And so what happened was, uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, we've actually known each other since what middle school?
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Speaker 3: I said, so yeah about that, okay, because I don't
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Speaker 3: remember how I met Crispy. Do you remember how we met?
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Speaker 3: Because I because Crispy thinks that we met at lunch
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Speaker 3: one day and I said crispy. It's just a weird
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Speaker 3: way to meet somebody at lunch, Like what especially in
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Speaker 3: the middle, Yeah, how do you do that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I'm that's confusing. I don't actually, to be
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Speaker 4: honest with that, I don't remember. I know you were
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Speaker 4: a greade above me. So there's always that kind of
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Speaker 4: like distance that people have. I mean it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: you're in the same school, but like you're just like
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Speaker 4: years apart, because even though just one but yeah, no,
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Speaker 4: I really don't remember. I just I think it's just
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Speaker 4: kind of came to be, and then I think in
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Speaker 4: college we had reconnected because you had reached out to
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Speaker 4: me about a film or something like that, and then
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Speaker 4: then we just kind of got more involved from there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that. I remember that because I also remember, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I was trying to think of this stuff too, because
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Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, it's been so I mean, what he
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Speaker 3: graduated in high school about fifty years ago, about that
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Speaker 3: we're about seventy years old now it feels like it.
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Speaker 3: And now I'm just like, how did I know these guys? Yeah,
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Speaker 3: because but you never know that like certain friends, I know,
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Speaker 3: I know exactly where I met them at. Other people
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Speaker 3: I'm just like.
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Speaker 4: Actually, I do remember where I met Crispy though, which
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Speaker 4: I mean Chrispy tell us about it. Actually at a party,
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Speaker 4: like a mutual friends party, and I think we're just
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Speaker 4: playing We're playing some DOS game on the computer and
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Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, I mean I don't there was no really,
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Speaker 4: I mean that's it. Really wasn't that.
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Speaker 3: Oh man, I thought you say, like a Frank film
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Speaker 3: or something.
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Speaker 4: No, I really wasn't that that exciting. But yeah, because
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Speaker 4: and then after that, I was like, hey, will you
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Speaker 4: want to be my films? And then which obviously I
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Speaker 4: was happy to do and then and still am. But
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Speaker 4: uh yeah, yeah, like that's about it. Sorry, nowhere nowhere.
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Speaker 3: Well, well that's a that's a signed of what's going
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Speaker 3: to have with the podcast.
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Speaker 4: You got it. You got another fifteen minutes of stories
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Speaker 4: that go nowhere.
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Speaker 3: Now everyone's gonna stop right now and just be like,
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Speaker 3: well this is the end of this podcast. Oh man,
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Speaker 3: it's uh, you know, it's just crazy though, because you know,
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Speaker 3: so when you were making all those films of Chrispy,
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Speaker 3: why did he did he select you because of your
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Speaker 3: look or because you guys were friends? Because you knew
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Speaker 3: something about filmmaking?
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Speaker 4: Or I think we were friends. Ok. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 4: that was first and foremost. And then I think, you know,
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Speaker 4: he was trying to make a more spiritual film and
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Speaker 4: at the time, I was, you know, uh more into that.
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Speaker 4: Obviously I'm not now, but you know at the time,
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Speaker 4: but yeah, and you know, and it was happy to
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Speaker 4: do it. I mean, this is like, you know, I
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Speaker 4: really want to be involved in the film at any capacity,
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Speaker 4: and I was wanted to explore more acting. So you know,
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Speaker 4: the fact that there's someone in my backyard who was
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Speaker 4: shooting a film with you know, it was often Lego
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Speaker 4: was so super happy to do it and yeah, yeah
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Speaker 4: and got to pretend to make out with people, so
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Speaker 4: like all right, even better?
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Speaker 3: Really? Oh wow? So because I know, I know Chrispy
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Speaker 3: was like put a lot of friends and tsked me
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Speaker 3: to be in one, and I think it was it
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Speaker 3: was one of them, and he kept like canceling on
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Speaker 3: me at the last minute, and I kept like it
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Speaker 3: was four times, I said, chris I said, you're you're
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Speaker 3: a nice stuff guy, but I can't just putting more
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Speaker 3: time into this, so I just I just kind of
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Speaker 3: That's where Chrispy and I stopped talking for like a year,
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Speaker 3: not because we're mad at each other, but just because
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Speaker 3: you know, we were just all, yeah, exactly, just doing
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Speaker 3: different things, you know, and then we reconnected and I
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Speaker 3: ran in him too one day at the gym, and
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Speaker 3: yeah at the gym. Yeah, we were in the shower
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Speaker 3: room together. No no, no, no, no, no no at the gym.
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Speaker 3: I actually used to be in shape. And I'm dead
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Speaker 3: serious about that. I actually used to be in shape,
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Speaker 3: and then Crispy, I think, was getting back into shape
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Speaker 3: at that time. This is when we were in our sixties.
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Speaker 3: So because yeah, now I'm gonna.
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Speaker 4: Surprises like you're the gym, I'm just surprised. I've never
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Speaker 4: I've never mentioned Christy at the gym. Chrispy no effect
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Speaker 4: to say, I just didn't went and picture heavy, Jim.
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Speaker 3: Do you know who Crispy's old gym buddy was? Uh no, no,
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Speaker 3: Kevin Coleman. Oh gee, Coleman, and I.
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Speaker 4: Read I actually just saw Coleman the other day, and
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Speaker 4: I know it's just not interesting that any it was
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Speaker 4: like it was Coleman. He's actually living with my old
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Speaker 4: roommate right now. Smart No, no, no, with with Matt
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Speaker 4: con Cannon, with it with Matty moosh who I live
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Speaker 4: into the media. Oh okay, he's in the media with them,
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Speaker 4: and Matt is just he's like he's die. The stories
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Speaker 4: that he tells about Coleman, like he cracks himself up
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Speaker 4: and it cracks everyone else up, like Coleman, because there's
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Speaker 4: like two Coleman. There's like silver Coleman and drunk Coleman,
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Speaker 4: and it's a very two different people and very very
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Speaker 4: very nice people. I have nothing bad to say about Coleman.
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Speaker 4: He's a great guy, just very very funny.
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Speaker 3: Did I ever say about the time I had to
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Speaker 3: almost choked Coleman out in the middle of a bar
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Speaker 3: on Christmas Eve? A true story? Heye, colemb We were
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Speaker 3: So, so what happened was Coleman was drunk one Christmas
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Speaker 3: Eve in a bar and he won. Christmas Eve. It
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Speaker 3: was snow It was actually Christmas Eve. Edi Eddie actually
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Speaker 3: started picking a fight with a friend of mine because
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Speaker 3: he thought my friend was kept egging him on. My
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Speaker 3: friend didn't even say anything, and Coleman just went ballistic.
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Speaker 3: So I just went like in between him. I was like, Coleman,
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Speaker 3: just calm down, and he just went bustic and I
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Speaker 3: was like and he started trying to grab me, and
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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, I pushed him. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 3: a lot bigger than Coleman is. So I just like
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Speaker 3: chucked it with them against the wall and we and
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Speaker 3: I hit another person on the way back, so the
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Speaker 3: three of us in the wall, and then I just
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Speaker 3: kind of like put my elbow or my forum into
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Speaker 3: his into his neck, and I my hand on the
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Speaker 3: back of his head and I was kind of like
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Speaker 3: doing this and I was like, Coleman, calm the fuck down,
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Speaker 3: and he just was getting angry and angry. I'm like,
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Speaker 3: now I have to put more and more pressure on him.
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Speaker 3: So finally he starts like so I'm starting to like
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Speaker 3: he's starting to go down, and we get him out
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Speaker 3: the door. I didn't really choke him out anything.
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Speaker 4: But he said like forcefully, like say, we need to
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Speaker 4: get out. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I was a so I'm not gonna let him go
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Speaker 3: if he's not got me calm, you know. And we
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Speaker 3: got him outside and he's just like oh I'm sucking.
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Speaker 3: Ask I'm like, Jesus, how much has this kid had
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Speaker 3: to drake? Sweet Lord God? And I mean, oh my god.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, But finally he ended up giving the credit
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Speaker 3: card to somebody else and they came in and pay
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Speaker 3: for all his stuff. The owner of the bar wanted
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Speaker 3: to call the cops and I'm like and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, well he knew me. So he goes, so
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Speaker 3: what happened and somebody out here fighting? Well I said yeah,
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Speaker 3: I said, he was just calm and that kid, and
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Speaker 3: he goes all right, Well, I say he's out of here.
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Speaker 3: I said, you know, we're sorry about everything. So he
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Speaker 3: goes all right, Well, you know I won't do any
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Speaker 3: cold cops or anything.
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Speaker 4: So you know, we have a bar fights. Can I
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Speaker 4: tell a crazy l A story? Go for it, manny.
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Speaker 4: So so when I was in LA, it was like
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Speaker 4: the week I had moved to l A. A friend
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Speaker 4: of mine and was like, hey, well, let's go to
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Speaker 4: this Armenian bar in north North Hollywood. So I'm like,
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Speaker 4: all right, yeah, why not, let's go. So I'm pretty
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Speaker 4: sure to start off with like the bar elsewhere, and
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Speaker 4: then I was like, hey, this is Armenian bar dow
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Speaker 4: the street. Let's you know, stumble in what have you.
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Speaker 4: So we're there and uh, and there's this these these two.
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Speaker 4: This is a short Armenian dude and it's really tall
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Speaker 4: Armenian chick and they're talking to each other and then
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Speaker 4: they like just like ran into each each other and
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Speaker 4: they're kind of ribbing each other, like joking around, and
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Speaker 4: they're starting to like, hey, like you're so tall, you're
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Speaker 4: so short, you're you know, makings and kind of what
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Speaker 4: I was like. And I'm just sitting here drinking, just
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Speaker 4: looking at what's going on, and you can see it
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Speaker 4: like it's starting to just like get meaner. Like it's
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Speaker 4: like they're like the it crossed the line from like
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Speaker 4: being just friendly and joking just like it's starting to
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Speaker 4: get like really kind of insulting. And they start to
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Speaker 4: like get really like mean chabs at each other.
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Speaker 3: Like Crispy and Matt Kelly exactly, yeah, wasn't joking.
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Speaker 4: And so so clearly so then the smaller Armenian guy
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Speaker 4: he says something that like crosses the line and she
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Speaker 4: howks the looty and spits on him, and we're.
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Speaker 3: Like, oh damn, like like and she had to spit down.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I had to spit down right, Like it
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Speaker 4: walks away right like oh shit, like look what haven
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Speaker 4: So like everyone's drinking and it's coming around like two
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Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning, so the bar's beout to clothes. Well,
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Speaker 4: he just got this look on his face. He goes
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Speaker 4: back up to that Armenian chick and spits in her face,
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Speaker 4: and we're like, oh shit. And then and all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden, like there's like a Armenian like bar fight
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Speaker 4: starts breaking out, and the bouncer just like what the fuck,
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Speaker 4: And my friend she was very much like, oh you, Darren,
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Speaker 4: don't spit in like a woman's face. And then the
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Speaker 4: bouncer was like about to like beat the shit out
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Speaker 4: of this guy. And I'm like, yo, dude, listen, I'm
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Speaker 4: gonna tell you something like I don't believe that you
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Speaker 4: should spit in anyone's face, you know, man or male
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Speaker 4: or female. But like she's spitting his face first, and
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying like what he should have spit back,
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Speaker 4: but I'm just saying it wasn't just like out of
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Speaker 4: the blue, like like he just hocked a looking in
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Speaker 4: some chick's face. Like, and he was like, okay, cool,
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Speaker 4: Well I'll just let it get it like and I'll
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Speaker 4: just kick him out of the bar and that'll be it.
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Speaker 4: I won't beat anyone's ass. So I'm like, oh damn.
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Speaker 4: And I was like like, no, welcome to La.
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Speaker 3: Jesus man, We'll ball stop in bar fights.
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Speaker 4: No, I just stop it.
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Speaker 3: I was watching.
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Speaker 4: Popcorn.
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Speaker 3: So I want to talk about you going to LA,
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Speaker 3: but but I just want to go back a few
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Speaker 3: steps second. No, No, it's a problem because I want to
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Speaker 3: actually ask, you know, right out of high school you
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Speaker 3: went to college, how did you end up getting into
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Speaker 3: this whole agency field man, Because I, you know, I
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Speaker 3: just it seems like harder to me to get into
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Speaker 3: that because it's very niche, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: So I want to ask him, how did you find
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Speaker 3: yourself actually as an agent for all these you know,
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Speaker 3: actresses and models and stuff like that.
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Speaker 4: So when I was in college, I went to school
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Speaker 4: for a film and h in my first few years
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Speaker 4: of film, I just, I don't know. Ear years of college,
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Speaker 4: I just knew that I didn't really want to be
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Speaker 4: there or I wasn't quite sure why I was there.
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Speaker 4: And I had heard someone else talk about having similar feelings,
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Speaker 4: and they suggested, take a semester off. Just do what
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Speaker 4: you want to do, like if you want to do
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Speaker 4: something else. And at the time, I really wanted to
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Speaker 4: be an actor and I wanted to explore the acting industry,
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Speaker 4: like just just just take it off. Still this to
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Speaker 4: this day, I will give the same advice to anyone
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Speaker 4: who's like in college and not liking it or just
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Speaker 4: not feeling it, just walk away and come back. Like
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Speaker 4: I was able to. I took a semester off. I
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Speaker 4: pursued acting. I was able. I got like in a commercial,
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Speaker 4: I got like some small print ads things like that,
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Speaker 4: and it was great. I learned a lot. And then
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Speaker 4: that's that's six months. And then afterwards I thought, you know, okay,
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Speaker 4: it's time for me to go back to school. I
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Speaker 4: was ready to go back to school, but I went
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Speaker 4: instead for broadcasting and communications, and it's it a little
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Speaker 4: more viable. I mean, the thing about film schools, you
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Speaker 4: really don't have to go to film school in order
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Speaker 4: to make film, Like honestly, I would recommend instead of
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Speaker 4: take that tuition money and invest in just equipment and
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Speaker 4: books and your own film and like save yourself and
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Speaker 4: then you want to have loans that way. Just seriously, men,
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Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense to go to the film school
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Speaker 4: for film. And I kind of saw that as in
15:50
Speaker 4: the class, Like I'm in the class with just like
15:52
Speaker 4: thirty people and this is just one class, Like we're
15:55
Speaker 4: not all going to be successful, like, and there's only
15:57
Speaker 4: so few jobs here, Like the best I can help
16:00
Speaker 4: is to be a PA. So like I got to
16:02
Speaker 4: find a way to to, you know, be realistic. And
16:04
Speaker 4: I'm not saying don't pursue your teams, but like you
16:07
Speaker 4: gotta be realistic. Yeah, I agree. So so then I
16:10
Speaker 4: went back to college and an internship and I took
16:12
Speaker 4: an internship at an agency here in Philadelphia, and uh,
16:16
Speaker 4: and it was called Expressions and the wonderful Reer Lang.
16:20
Speaker 4: She's an agent. She's uh, she's older now, but she's
16:23
Speaker 4: been an agent in Philly for god decades and learned everything.
16:26
Speaker 4: I learned a lot from her and she's really and
16:28
Speaker 4: she generally it's all those people that just loves being
16:30
Speaker 4: an agent and just it is what she does. Like
16:32
Speaker 4: she's this older woman. She gets on the train every
16:35
Speaker 4: day and rides a subway to work, like you know,
16:37
Speaker 4: she's so dedicated and let's that's what she does. So
16:41
Speaker 4: really kind of fell in love there and it kind
16:42
Speaker 4: of just really really like being behind the camera is
16:45
Speaker 4: as much as I did in front of the camera,
16:47
Speaker 4: because it's very much like the best part of my
16:49
Speaker 4: job is sharing in my talent success. You know. I
16:53
Speaker 4: love calling up talent and being like, hey, listen, like
16:55
Speaker 4: you just booked this job and they're just a static
16:57
Speaker 4: and they're just beyond you know, happy, and and this
17:00
Speaker 4: is for me. I don't know, I really like that feeling,
17:02
Speaker 4: and I really it's just it's what drives me to
17:05
Speaker 4: do this. I was the best part of my job
17:06
Speaker 4: for sure. And so then after that then I got
17:09
Speaker 4: picked up by another agency who was opening up in
17:11
Speaker 4: Philadelphia and worked there for five years, got to know
17:15
Speaker 4: what really the client base here, and then phil even more.
17:17
Speaker 4: And then after that that's when I went out to LA.
17:19
Speaker 3: And so just sort of to go take a couple
17:22
Speaker 3: of steps back. Sure, I always have to talk about college.
17:24
Speaker 3: I always talk about you know, film school and this
17:26
Speaker 3: and that. That's something too that I just as I
17:30
Speaker 3: keep talking to more and more people from this podcast.
17:33
Speaker 3: That's one thing is to not everyone's going to succeed,
17:36
Speaker 3: whether it be screenwriting or directing or whatever. The other
17:39
Speaker 3: thing is, do you really need to go to make
17:42
Speaker 3: a film? I say no. I mean I'm a big advocate.
17:45
Speaker 3: You know. People always ask me about film and going
17:47
Speaker 3: to college or whatever. I'm actually the guy that talks
17:50
Speaker 3: you out of going into the film industry. And I'm
17:51
Speaker 3: also the guy tells you to quit college and never
17:53
Speaker 3: go there to begin with, because because I to me colleges,
17:58
Speaker 3: it's a the more I experience people with degrees, you know,
18:02
Speaker 3: I talk to them, and or experience talking to people
18:04
Speaker 3: with who have these degrees and they have a degree
18:06
Speaker 3: in like business like me or something like you know,
18:09
Speaker 3: chemical engineering, and it's like, we don't even do go
18:12
Speaker 3: do anything in that field. And it was like what
18:14
Speaker 3: was the point of that. I think that if we
18:16
Speaker 3: did more of like a mentorship here where it's like,
18:20
Speaker 3: you know, you gotta even if you're in high school
18:24
Speaker 3: and you take a gap year, go go work in
18:27
Speaker 3: the film industry because you can find ten cod chillion
18:29
Speaker 3: independent films going on every day in this country, and
18:33
Speaker 3: you know, or even though of the world, find out
18:36
Speaker 3: if this is what you want to do, a lot
18:38
Speaker 3: of actresses. I mean, and I want to ask you
18:40
Speaker 3: this question. In my opinion, a lot of actresses, and
18:45
Speaker 3: I hate to pick on the females, but a lot
18:47
Speaker 3: of actresses don't actually like acting. I think they liked
18:51
Speaker 3: they liked the idea of being famous. And this is
18:56
Speaker 3: just speaking strictly in my experience in the New York filiaries.
18:59
Speaker 4: So I mean, I do think that it's I think
19:01
Speaker 4: both genders definitely feel that way. And there's a lot
19:04
Speaker 4: of people and I'll take a step back real quick
19:06
Speaker 4: just because I'm just saying you shouldn't go to college.
19:09
Speaker 4: You should never you should never stop learning. That's that's
19:12
Speaker 4: essentially what it is. So like, even if you don't
19:13
Speaker 4: have to go to school to pick up a book,
19:15
Speaker 4: you know, like and you should pick up books and
19:17
Speaker 4: learn the basics of filmmaking. And then because you need
19:19
Speaker 4: to know the rules in order to break the rules.
19:21
Speaker 4: That's I totally believe that. But you don't need to
19:22
Speaker 4: go to cops like, you can just pick up those
19:23
Speaker 4: books on your own. Having said about like about the talent, uh,
19:28
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, a lot of people get into this
19:30
Speaker 4: industry for a variety of reasons. And it's funny when
19:35
Speaker 4: I was actually starting off as an actor myself, I
19:37
Speaker 4: read in a book that was like, if you're getting
19:39
Speaker 4: into this for the money, you shouldn't be doing this.
19:41
Speaker 4: If you're doing this for fame, you shouldn't be doing this.
19:43
Speaker 4: And if if you want fame, like that's something you've
19:45
Speaker 4: got to kind of work on yourself for because like
19:47
Speaker 4: you know, like that's not a reason to get into acting.
19:50
Speaker 4: And those are the people too that once they start
19:51
Speaker 4: getting into acting, they get so discouraged so quickly, once
19:54
Speaker 4: they hear no, you know, ten times, because they're not
19:57
Speaker 4: in it for the right reason.
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Speaker 4: You know, like they start to doubt themselves. And whereas
20:10
Speaker 4: if you just genuinely love what you're doing, then you know,
20:14
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you
20:16
Speaker 4: got gained a new connection, you made a new you
20:18
Speaker 4: had a new experience, like you'll learn something. But yeah,
20:22
Speaker 4: people who get in for those reasons, they definitely fall
20:25
Speaker 4: way harder and way quicker.
20:27
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean obviously it too. Even just doing like
20:29
Speaker 3: productions around here, some people just it's almost they like
20:34
Speaker 3: the idea of people telling them how great they are
20:36
Speaker 3: this and that. And I think because this industry, even
20:39
Speaker 3: the modeling, the print, the actress where you know, the
20:41
Speaker 3: filmmaking whatever, you know, all of this is it ties
20:43
Speaker 3: in together because it's it's under the entertainment field, you
20:46
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I think a lot of
20:48
Speaker 3: times people use that for validation. I think they maybe
20:51
Speaker 3: get in there because they they feel that if they
20:53
Speaker 3: could succeed in this business, it's almost like a personal
20:56
Speaker 3: stamp on themselves, you know what I mean.
20:59
Speaker 4: I definitely know and I mean and that's the thing
21:00
Speaker 4: that especially when you know, coming out to LA, Oh
21:02
Speaker 4: my god, the egos out there are just insane. Like
21:05
Speaker 4: I went, I walked into one party one time in
21:07
Speaker 4: LA and the guy who was hosting a party was
21:11
Speaker 4: watching his Snapchat stories on the big screen TV with
21:15
Speaker 4: all of his friends and they're all just like laugh
21:17
Speaker 4: and I'm like, what the hell am I looking at?
21:19
Speaker 4: Like this is like why are you? Like you're watching
21:21
Speaker 4: your own Snapchat story on the TV, like you guys
21:23
Speaker 4: don't want to see it, but they were loving it,
21:24
Speaker 4: and just like it's very like a you know, everyone
21:27
Speaker 4: wants to there is part of that rat race that
21:29
Speaker 4: they just they're trying to like I don't know, they're
21:31
Speaker 4: feeding into it for each other and like and for
21:33
Speaker 4: themselves in a weird way, and I don't know they're
21:35
Speaker 4: like if I had that same party, the guy is
21:37
Speaker 4: playing a record and instead of just playing the record,
21:41
Speaker 4: he actually had a stand where you could showcase what
21:44
Speaker 4: record we were all listening to. And I'm like that
21:46
Speaker 4: right there, that's LA or you know, like like that,
21:48
Speaker 4: Like it's not just like you can't just be cool,
21:49
Speaker 4: you have to be like in your face too, like
21:51
Speaker 4: like let me show you how cool I am, you know,
21:53
Speaker 4: like and that Not everyone in LA is like that.
21:56
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that, but I'm saying a lot of
21:58
Speaker 4: people who are in the acting industry out there, they
22:01
Speaker 4: they're doing that because they have to be They have
22:03
Speaker 4: to do so many other models and actors out there.
22:05
Speaker 4: They have to constantly be pushing themselves. So to some degree,
22:08
Speaker 4: they just don't know. They don't even know what they're
22:11
Speaker 4: doing until you're an outsider, you know, looking in and
22:14
Speaker 4: you're like, oh my god, what the hell, Like this
22:16
Speaker 4: is so egoistical and self serving and uh and dangerous.
22:20
Speaker 4: But like I said, there's people they crash hard and
22:24
Speaker 4: I can.
22:24
Speaker 3: I don't.
22:25
Speaker 4: I don't have any of them at all.
22:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think some of them too. They they
22:31
Speaker 3: still stay in because I think I still think that
22:34
Speaker 3: they feel maybe that they haven't given a fair shake,
22:37
Speaker 3: or maybe because some of the I know do burn out.
22:39
Speaker 3: And honestly, it's like that that's what you need, honestly
22:43
Speaker 3: because it's good for everybody, because it's good for them
22:45
Speaker 3: because it shows them that they're going to waste their life,
22:47
Speaker 3: waste their time, waste their money on something that at
22:49
Speaker 3: the end of the day is going to make them happy.
22:51
Speaker 4: I agree. I mean more people need to be told no,
22:54
Speaker 4: you an hour of no say that.
22:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:57
Speaker 4: But the thing is, like you just like you know,
22:58
Speaker 4: which one of us wouldn't want to be, you know,
23:01
Speaker 4: a rock star or a famous action like that. Everybody
23:04
Speaker 4: wants that, you know, but like very few are capable,
23:07
Speaker 4: let alone or at the right time. I mean I
23:09
Speaker 4: tell people this all the time, like, like, so there
23:11
Speaker 4: are people out in LA who are more talented than
23:14
Speaker 4: Johnny dep Tongue Cruise or whoever. You know, some of
23:16
Speaker 4: these A list actors and they will never make it
23:18
Speaker 4: because they weren't at the right place. At the right time,
23:21
Speaker 4: you know, like, and you know, so you can be
23:23
Speaker 4: as talent as can be, and if you're just not
23:25
Speaker 4: at that right moment, then you're not You're not going
23:28
Speaker 4: to be discovered, you know, and that's unfortunate.
23:29
Speaker 3: But so do you think that's because they don't have
23:32
Speaker 3: good networking skills or it's because maybe they just don't
23:36
Speaker 3: have they're missing some kind of key ingredient which maybe
23:39
Speaker 3: you know, maybe that networking, maybe that is it. Maybe
23:41
Speaker 3: do they just not have the ability to build a
23:44
Speaker 3: network or get somebody like you to just say, hey,
23:47
Speaker 3: this guy's talented as shit, why isn't he working more?
23:49
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think that is honestly, I just
23:51
Speaker 4: I think it's part of this industry. And then being
23:53
Speaker 4: successful comes un to luck. And I hate to say that,
23:55
Speaker 4: like and I hate luck. I hate like. I think
23:57
Speaker 4: you know you are the you know, the maker of
23:59
Speaker 4: your own destiny. But at the same time, you know,
24:01
Speaker 4: there's only so much you can know, there's not only
24:02
Speaker 4: so much even I can do. You know, when I
24:04
Speaker 4: send out my talent to the clients, you know, I
24:06
Speaker 4: don't I can't force my client's hand in picking someone,
24:09
Speaker 4: you know, I can't say all right, I can try
24:10
Speaker 4: to coerce them and say, hey, listen, this verse is
24:12
Speaker 4: really great and that was really great, and like you
24:13
Speaker 4: should should this is the person you want. But the
24:15
Speaker 4: end of the day, it's really not even up to
24:16
Speaker 4: my clients. Sometimes up to my clients clients, so it's
24:18
Speaker 4: it's really you know, uh, down down the line, say,
24:23
Speaker 4: are up to hierarchy. So yeah, I mean networking definitely helps.
24:27
Speaker 4: They can increase your chances. But I think there are
24:29
Speaker 4: some people who do everything right and just they still
24:31
Speaker 4: aren't successful. And that's that's unfortunate. But that's just how
24:34
Speaker 4: this industry is.
24:36
Speaker 3: And well, I guess you know, luck does play sometimes
24:39
Speaker 3: a bigger part than what.
24:40
Speaker 4: We think, yeah, we want.
24:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it kind of goes into the lottery. Uh,
24:45
Speaker 3: some people who won the lottery, they've I mean, that's
24:48
Speaker 3: all luck. I mean, you know, I don't think you
24:49
Speaker 3: can actually, you know, I don't think you compared to
24:52
Speaker 3: prepare one in the lottery, but or trained to win
24:54
Speaker 3: the lottery. But some people have won the lottery, they've
24:57
Speaker 3: asked them later on. Some people said, yeah, I deserve this,
25:00
Speaker 3: you know, And it's like it's like the monopoly experiment,
25:03
Speaker 3: the monopoly experiment, which is we if we play monopoly
25:06
Speaker 3: against each other, and I started off with ninety percent
25:08
Speaker 3: owning everything, and then you had the potential to buy
25:11
Speaker 3: the other five, and I just dominated you. They never
25:14
Speaker 3: the same people never actually said well it was because
25:17
Speaker 3: I started off with a hell of a lot more
25:19
Speaker 3: than he did. They actually go, well, I had better tactics,
25:21
Speaker 3: and I had a better strategy, and this and that, Well,
25:24
Speaker 3: it's Jesus if you win the boy, if you're going
25:26
Speaker 3: into ninety five percent on the board and you didn't win,
25:29
Speaker 3: either the other person was incredible genius or you know
25:33
Speaker 3: it just the odds were against you. But but you know,
25:35
Speaker 3: as we talk about this, why you moved out to LA?
25:38
Speaker 3: Did you move out to LA because you were sort
25:40
Speaker 3: of burned out from being in this area, which is
25:42
Speaker 3: the Philly area when I'm.
25:43
Speaker 4: Talking about not necessarily, I've a few reasons I moved
25:48
Speaker 4: out to l A Number one, because I mean I've
25:49
Speaker 4: always lived here and I've always went to live in
25:51
Speaker 4: LA at least just try it, you know, if nothing else,
25:53
Speaker 4: just live in a different city, you know. And also
25:57
Speaker 4: I had contractually speaking, I had a none can Pete
26:00
Speaker 4: with my other employment, so I couldn't start my own
26:03
Speaker 4: agency because I was to a buy but these eighteen
26:05
Speaker 4: months so I was happy to do and and didn't
26:09
Speaker 4: you know, and so I figured, well, I might as
26:10
Speaker 4: well make the most of these eighteen months. So let's
26:12
Speaker 4: work in the entertainment capital of the world, knowing that
26:14
Speaker 4: you know, one day I would want to move back
26:16
Speaker 4: start my own agency and then to have that LA
26:19
Speaker 4: credential would just I mean dominate, you know, and just
26:21
Speaker 4: having those connections, let alone the experience, would make me
26:25
Speaker 4: so much more appealing to talent to open up an agency,
26:29
Speaker 4: like I said, right here in Philadelphia.
26:31
Speaker 3: So what was the impetus to actually move out at
26:33
Speaker 3: What was it in your life where you finally said,
26:35
Speaker 3: you know what, I better just move out and then
26:36
Speaker 3: and setting that date? Was there anything that happened or
26:39
Speaker 3: you've merely just said you know what, I better just
26:41
Speaker 3: do it.
26:41
Speaker 4: So after I left my other place in employment, I
26:43
Speaker 4: took a vacation because I was like, I have not
26:45
Speaker 4: the had a vacation for three four years. So I
26:48
Speaker 4: went out to Portland and in LA. And the people
26:51
Speaker 4: who I ended up working with in LA, they had
26:52
Speaker 4: a sister office in Portland, and I had met with
26:55
Speaker 4: them at a beer with the you know, the one
26:56
Speaker 4: of the guys who runs it and you I mean,
26:59
Speaker 4: super great guy who just gelled so well and I
27:02
Speaker 4: really respected the company, and then they really dug me
27:05
Speaker 4: and then so that's essentially what happened. And when an
27:07
Speaker 4: opportunity opened up, but I did tell them was like,
27:09
Speaker 4: I would love to work in your early office. One
27:11
Speaker 4: day when an opportunity actually opened up, he was one
27:13
Speaker 4: of the first ones he called and then interviewed through
27:15
Speaker 4: there and that's so yeah, So it kind of just
27:19
Speaker 4: still moved out. So I moved out there without having
27:25
Speaker 4: a place to live, but I still had a secure job.
27:28
Speaker 4: And honestly, I think that would be my advice to
27:31
Speaker 4: anyone who's thinking about moving into La is do not
27:33
Speaker 4: move to la unless you were invited.
27:35
Speaker 3: Like there are enough.
27:36
Speaker 4: People there you especially as a model or actor, Like
27:40
Speaker 4: you think it's glamorous to like be roughing it, but
27:42
Speaker 4: like you have no idea what roughing it means. You know,
27:46
Speaker 4: it is so everyone has these terrible, horrible stories about
27:50
Speaker 4: when they first got to la Like my my one buddy,
27:52
Speaker 4: my fellow agent, you like lived with like a in
27:55
Speaker 4: the house with like it was like a two bedroom
27:57
Speaker 4: house with like six people, and there was like a
28:00
Speaker 4: math addict who lived in the in the garage and
28:02
Speaker 4: diamonded laundry. He'd be harassed bire like he's like and
28:06
Speaker 4: it's not like in that. I mean, this is what
28:07
Speaker 4: I was saying, Like it's a model or actor like
28:09
Speaker 4: like god, like no, no, Like you don't realize that
28:13
Speaker 4: the you know, how hard and also just move out
28:16
Speaker 4: to somewhere new and not know anybody. That's so frustrating.
28:18
Speaker 4: I mean I was lucky enough to me and my
28:20
Speaker 4: girlfriend were out there, so we were able to kind
28:22
Speaker 4: of use each other and help each other out. But
28:24
Speaker 4: like even that was like I mean like, see, you're
28:27
Speaker 4: here and you know in your where you know, in Philly,
28:29
Speaker 4: and like your car breaks down, you can call someone
28:31
Speaker 4: and they'll be there in La. Your car breaks down
28:33
Speaker 4: and you're like, well, fuck, I got number, Like I
28:36
Speaker 4: have to figure this out, like I've got to take
28:38
Speaker 4: a lift or I've got to you know. So there's
28:41
Speaker 4: a lot of like it's very isolating out there. Oddly enough,
28:44
Speaker 4: even there's so many people out there, there's like it's
28:46
Speaker 4: it's it's it's rough like it. It's just it's really rough.
28:49
Speaker 4: And and they said it like I don't envy talent,
28:52
Speaker 4: but honestly, like that's my hotalent now that I've been
28:54
Speaker 4: out there, even even not even just talent like from writers,
28:57
Speaker 4: the you know, producer directors is a home like stay
29:01
Speaker 4: in your in your your home base, and like and
29:03
Speaker 4: honestly like succeed there, succeed there and then then move
29:06
Speaker 4: out there. Like they don't go to La looking for
29:08
Speaker 4: success because I can guarantee you won't find it. Yeah,
29:10
Speaker 4: you just will not find that. The market out there
29:12
Speaker 4: is so overly saturated. There are so many models, so
29:15
Speaker 4: many actors. I'd walk into like a burger king and
29:18
Speaker 4: it's just like a casting there's like a casting calliver models.
29:20
Speaker 4: So there's like so many gorgeous people around, Like what
29:22
Speaker 4: the hell? Where did I walk into it? And it's
29:24
Speaker 4: just a burger king. Like it's just like everyone out
29:26
Speaker 4: there is trying to get the same trying to you know,
29:29
Speaker 4: achieve the same dream and and and it's it's just
29:32
Speaker 4: too many people, too many people, too many actors, too
29:34
Speaker 4: many models. I represent some talent out there or I
29:37
Speaker 4: mean drop dead gorgeous if they if I represented them here,
29:40
Speaker 4: I'd be able to get them a ton of work.
29:41
Speaker 4: But out there, like they they sometimes they would only
29:44
Speaker 4: get like two three callbacks a month, and they'd be like,
29:46
Speaker 4: well what happened, and like I don't know, and be
29:48
Speaker 4: honest with what I think it is. It's just it's
29:49
Speaker 4: just too many people like you have so many if like, yeah,
29:52
Speaker 4: you might be the top of you you know, you
29:54
Speaker 4: might be the best looking person here in Philadelphia, but
29:56
Speaker 4: you go out to LA and they're the.
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Speaker 4: You know you're the best. You're with the best looking
30:10
Speaker 4: people of everyone in their city. So you know, it's
30:12
Speaker 4: it's really and that kind of fucks with the talents
30:14
Speaker 4: said too. It's just because you're like, oh shit, like
30:16
Speaker 4: I was at the top and now like i'm you know,
30:19
Speaker 4: now there's people here they're even prettier than I am,
30:22
Speaker 4: or more talented than I am. So that that's very
30:25
Speaker 4: frustrating because there's just so many people, so many, so
30:27
Speaker 4: many models, so many actors, so many, so much talent,
30:30
Speaker 4: and that's why you see a lot of people leaving.
30:32
Speaker 4: And I think that's what needs to happen, like, so
30:34
Speaker 4: like to find success in your home, you know, if
30:36
Speaker 4: you're a director, writer or whatever, do it at home first, like,
30:39
Speaker 4: because if you can't do it here, then you certainly
30:41
Speaker 4: can't do it out there, you know, absolutely not, you know,
30:43
Speaker 4: like you like, it's so much more easier to be
30:46
Speaker 4: known here in a smaller market than it is, you know,
30:50
Speaker 4: out out there.
30:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:51
Speaker 3: I've told other people too, you know, if you live
30:53
Speaker 3: in it. If you let's just say you and I
30:54
Speaker 3: live in the middle of America and a very small
30:57
Speaker 3: small town, it would actually it's actually a pro to
31:01
Speaker 3: live there because if I make my movie, I know
31:05
Speaker 3: Tom at the at the uh you know, at the
31:07
Speaker 3: autobody mcank shop. I know this guy, and there was
31:10
Speaker 3: actually more of a willing to help you out because
31:12
Speaker 3: oh that's cool, he's actually going out there and doing something.
31:14
Speaker 3: Because you go to LA and you're like, hey, I'm
31:16
Speaker 3: going to make a movie out here, everyone goes, well,
31:19
Speaker 3: where's our paycheck. I knew a guy who came out
31:21
Speaker 3: there and every day he had breakfast in the same place,
31:23
Speaker 3: and he finally said, hey, I want to shoot a
31:25
Speaker 3: thing here, and they go, okay, you can have to
31:26
Speaker 3: shoot it, you know, early in the morning, and he's like, okay,
31:29
Speaker 3: and they started telling him the rates and he was like,
31:32
Speaker 3: are you out of your freaking mind? I mean, he's
31:35
Speaker 3: like it is astronomical and he goes, I'm just gonna
31:38
Speaker 3: shoot here for like three hours, like well, still you
31:40
Speaker 3: know this and that he goes, may not disrupting business,
31:44
Speaker 3: you know, you could still go out, you know what
31:45
Speaker 3: I mean. And it's just that's that whole thing. There's
31:48
Speaker 3: a big talent poll out there, and you have to
31:50
Speaker 3: be able to, you know, succeed wherever you are. And
31:53
Speaker 3: you know, I mean you succeeded here. You know, I
31:56
Speaker 3: bombed out and started a palm Kit podcast, but but
32:01
Speaker 3: you know, slowly building myself back up. And I think
32:04
Speaker 3: you basically now you're ready to go to the next level, uh,
32:08
Speaker 3: in your in your in your professional life, right, So
32:11
Speaker 3: that's why you start.
32:12
Speaker 4: That's why you know right now, I was that in
32:13
Speaker 4: La Like I loved it, I really did. I love it,
32:15
Speaker 4: like I didn't really want to leave. I still miss it.
32:17
Speaker 4: I hope that one day open an office there, like
32:19
Speaker 4: I definitely want to go back. That being said, financially speaking,
32:23
Speaker 4: it is a bit schat there and like and and people.
32:26
Speaker 4: And when you go out there and you think you
32:27
Speaker 4: can rise above it, you think that you know you can,
32:30
Speaker 4: you know you can overcome it, but you can't. Like
32:32
Speaker 4: for me and my girlfriend to see a movie, any
32:34
Speaker 4: movie on like a Tuesday afternoon, sixty dollars for two tickets, jeez, yeah,
32:38
Speaker 4: yeah to sixty bucks, no lie. And that's just for
32:41
Speaker 4: an every day movie, you know. Like, so it's like,
32:43
Speaker 4: if you like the cost of living out there, it's crazy.
32:45
Speaker 4: And that's what's again. If you go out there as
32:47
Speaker 4: on a model or accurate, you better have a big
32:49
Speaker 4: nest egg of really big and that's gonna go quick
32:51
Speaker 4: even even still, you know. So it is just the
32:53
Speaker 4: cost of little is crazy out there. I mean it's
32:55
Speaker 4: a good dairy. Queen a Blizzard was like eight bucks,
32:58
Speaker 4: like she ward know.
33:00
Speaker 3: You lived like a king here. I told that that.
33:01
Speaker 4: We came back and we're like, oh my god, like
33:02
Speaker 4: her money goes so much farther.
33:04
Speaker 3: Like what it was in New York. I was saying,
33:06
Speaker 3: I bought a red Bull up there because I had
33:08
Speaker 3: to take it in there. There were five dollars a
33:10
Speaker 3: camp for the smallest camp possible. I mean the dinky
33:13
Speaker 3: little eight ounce ones. It was like five twenty five each.
33:16
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm like, huh, I bought four of them.
33:19
Speaker 3: It was like it was twenty one dollars. No, it
33:22
Speaker 3: was twenty two something because tax everything. I'm like, Jesus God,
33:26
Speaker 3: and it's it just it was. But I was like,
33:28
Speaker 3: you know what, you win this roundbow day. I needed
33:30
Speaker 3: those red bulls.
33:31
Speaker 4: So you know, that's it. And I when we were leaving,
33:34
Speaker 4: I talked to her friend and he's like, yeah, well,
33:36
Speaker 4: like in order to make it out on La in
33:38
Speaker 4: order just even to get by, when I was saying
33:40
Speaker 4: living comfortably, we're just saying, just to make it, you
33:42
Speaker 4: have to make it at least eighty grand a year
33:44
Speaker 4: at least. And I see it in the wage gap
33:46
Speaker 4: out there is so apparent, Like you see people, I
33:48
Speaker 4: mean in Lamborghinis and like all you know, I drive,
33:52
Speaker 4: you drive through the hills every day and you just
33:54
Speaker 4: see like the money out there, and there is a
33:56
Speaker 4: ton of money out there, but like all these people
33:58
Speaker 4: brought it in or from out outside or you know,
34:00
Speaker 4: like like the gap between like the rich and that
34:04
Speaker 4: pour out there. It's just so evident, and it's just
34:06
Speaker 4: so drastic and so that everyone like, you know, and
34:09
Speaker 4: I hate to say it, but there's like so many
34:10
Speaker 4: homeless people that there's so many home and there. There
34:12
Speaker 4: shouldn't be the amount of taxes you're hanging out in LA,
34:14
Speaker 4: like you should they should take care of the homeless problem.
34:16
Speaker 4: But there's so many homeless people there, and there are
34:18
Speaker 4: people on the streets asking for money for rent, and
34:21
Speaker 4: it's like damn, like you know, like that's how like shit.
34:23
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like we're all struggling to get by
34:26
Speaker 4: with rent, you know. And then and there's also like
34:28
Speaker 4: the gentrification. It's really a parent out there. I mean
34:30
Speaker 4: that's how you know, we lived in North Hollywood, which
34:33
Speaker 4: was also in the miss of being gentrified, and gentrification
34:36
Speaker 4: IS's a double edged sword where that eventually happens, is
34:38
Speaker 4: that you get priced out, you know, like you live
34:40
Speaker 4: there until you cannot you know, until you're told to
34:43
Speaker 4: get moving. So yeah, so like it's I definitely like
34:46
Speaker 4: they's some of that. There's one homeless guy out there.
34:50
Speaker 4: I just see him every day driving home from work.
34:51
Speaker 4: He had a sign it was like follow me on
34:54
Speaker 4: Twitter at that LA homeless guys.
34:57
Speaker 3: Really that LA homeless guy.
34:58
Speaker 4: I think I think it's something like that. Wasn't that specifically,
35:01
Speaker 4: it was like Jesus, like we're in La.
35:04
Speaker 3: I actually have to follow him after you.
35:06
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, look him up La Hilmos. I'm sure he
35:08
Speaker 4: takes uh like online payments.
35:11
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Oh that's even better. I could like send
35:13
Speaker 3: like an air tip.
35:14
Speaker 4: Well that's why, honestly, like most of the host people
35:16
Speaker 4: out there, I tell him like, listen, I don't care
35:18
Speaker 4: cash on me, like if you had a card reader,
35:20
Speaker 4: like I can't guys white give you a buck, but
35:22
Speaker 4: like I literally I have no cash on people.
35:25
Speaker 3: I don't carry cash on where does I actually? I
35:27
Speaker 3: pay for these cheese stakes with a credit card online?
35:30
Speaker 3: I was like, see I order to go online order
35:31
Speaker 3: through Season's website and they had to deliver because I
35:34
Speaker 3: got you know, I don't carry cash. Who carries cash?
35:37
Speaker 4: No, No, no one does. That's why every time I
35:38
Speaker 4: go to a restaurant, even here, it's like like, oh cash only.
35:41
Speaker 4: I was like hash ship who was that ATM you know?
35:45
Speaker 4: But yeah, so like moving back essentially was for me
35:48
Speaker 4: was it was a step up because I knew that
35:50
Speaker 4: like then, even as an Asian's perspective, you know, like,
35:53
Speaker 4: you know, you're making money for someone else. I want
35:55
Speaker 4: to make money for me, And you know, just from
35:57
Speaker 4: a purely financial uh aspect, it's like, well, then what
36:01
Speaker 4: is an agency really doing for me that if I
36:03
Speaker 4: just didn't take six months off I couldn't do for myself,
36:05
Speaker 4: you know, Like so, and that's what essentially I've been
36:07
Speaker 4: doing for the past six months is just learning how
36:09
Speaker 4: to open up a business. Because just because I'm a
36:10
Speaker 4: good agent doesn't mean I'm a good businessman. So I've
36:14
Speaker 4: been learning you know, quick books, learning how you know,
36:15
Speaker 4: hiring a lawyer and doing all this stuff and branding
36:18
Speaker 4: and all that that fun stuff. And I love it
36:20
Speaker 4: because it's something completely new. But in my mind, you know,
36:24
Speaker 4: you want a job where you have people working to
36:26
Speaker 4: make you money. You're not the other way around, you know,
36:28
Speaker 4: like you gotta I don't know, you want you want
36:30
Speaker 4: to be upstream for sure. So that that's yeah.
36:34
Speaker 3: Episode ninety nine I had on Morgan J. Freeman, who
36:38
Speaker 3: set the record for Sundance. He actually became the first
36:42
Speaker 3: director ever to win like the Triple Crown. Very good
36:46
Speaker 3: story about him about what you know, what happened to him, sure,
36:51
Speaker 3: he's very open and honest about it, but he had
36:54
Speaker 3: he had his saying that I still sticks with me now,
36:56
Speaker 3: and it's greenlight yourself. Green light yourself. He goes, do
36:59
Speaker 3: not way fair somebody else. You have to green light yourself,
37:02
Speaker 3: and you have to put those opportunities to create your
37:03
Speaker 3: own opportunities because it's not gonna come to your doing,
37:05
Speaker 3: you know well.
37:05
Speaker 4: And I think it's also true for for our generation
37:08
Speaker 4: as well, because I mean going back to the college thing.
37:10
Speaker 4: So like we have people were now our our generation
37:13
Speaker 4: when when we were in college, we were told my
37:14
Speaker 4: professor told me all the time, you're fought like there
37:16
Speaker 4: are no jobs out when you when you leave college.
37:19
Speaker 4: And so we all left college and we had a
37:21
Speaker 4: ton of student loans now and which many of our
37:24
Speaker 4: generations are still paying off as why they can't afford
37:26
Speaker 4: to move out because that rent money is essentially going
37:28
Speaker 4: to the student loans. But so we graduated college, there
37:32
Speaker 4: were no jobs for us. There was there was a
37:34
Speaker 4: recession that which hit and then the job marks start
37:37
Speaker 4: coming back. Well, then this is this gap if you
37:39
Speaker 4: look at at people which our generation, and there are
37:41
Speaker 4: people order than us who have experience and people younger
37:44
Speaker 4: than us who have a better, more current college education,
37:47
Speaker 4: and then there's just us, which is like we got
37:49
Speaker 4: no experience, we don't have a current education. So now
37:53
Speaker 4: what And honestly, and part of my thinking is like, well, honestly,
37:56
Speaker 4: it comes to starting your own business, you're gonna have
37:58
Speaker 4: to like you're gonna have to, like said, green light yourself,
38:00
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have to if you want any chance
38:02
Speaker 4: about being successful, you've got to just do it on
38:05
Speaker 4: your own. Pick that leap, take that jump, you know,
38:07
Speaker 4: and just nothing else, just try.
38:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, That's why I started this podcast. Uh,
38:12
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted a chance just to because I
38:15
Speaker 3: know no one will probably hire me as their podcast host.
38:19
Speaker 3: Start this podcast. Now I get people actually chuck me
38:21
Speaker 3: and ask me how to sit therewn podcast. Like other
38:24
Speaker 3: opportunities have come in where I've had to been like no, no, no,
38:27
Speaker 3: maybe yes to this and just different stuff and I.
38:30
Speaker 4: Have nothing else's yours. So that's what I love about
38:32
Speaker 4: my own business. It's my business. Yeah, like like you
38:35
Speaker 4: fail or succeed, it's all based on you. And yeah,
38:37
Speaker 4: that's a lot of pressure. Yeah, But at the same time,
38:39
Speaker 4: like there's no one else to blame. You know, there's
38:41
Speaker 4: no one. You don't have anyone over your over your
38:42
Speaker 4: shoulders telling you to do this, do that. You just
38:44
Speaker 4: had although we do answer to somebody, but you know,
38:47
Speaker 4: when you have your own business, it's like you, you
38:50
Speaker 4: are the one and only and that's it's I really
38:52
Speaker 4: love that feeling. I love that feeling and it motivates
38:54
Speaker 4: me and I think it's just because I'm sure it
38:56
Speaker 4: does for you as well, and it's just like it's
38:58
Speaker 4: just great to know that like it's your baby.
39:01
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because you know you you get a chance
39:03
Speaker 3: to do everything here with during this podcast, I kind
39:06
Speaker 3: of you know, Mark Maron has his own setup. There
39:08
Speaker 3: was like four or five people I kind of modeled
39:09
Speaker 3: this after uh, the Nervous with Chris Hardware, the Mark
39:12
Speaker 3: Marin's wtf uh and and a couple others and you know,
39:17
Speaker 3: the the the one guy that I kind of modeled
39:19
Speaker 3: this after. He's got he does everything just like I do.
39:21
Speaker 3: Where basically he edits it, he helped promotes it. It's
39:24
Speaker 3: like a one man band. I'm trying to go beyond
39:26
Speaker 3: that right now and just sort of get get out
39:29
Speaker 3: there a little more. But but you know, going back
39:31
Speaker 3: to you know, you starting your agency. You know, uh
39:35
Speaker 3: you I think it launched last month.
39:36
Speaker 4: Right, Oh no, we didn't. I haven't launched yet.
39:38
Speaker 3: Oh we haven't lunched yet.
39:39
Speaker 4: So I moved back here in October. I'm still been
39:42
Speaker 4: learning and still then, you know, taking the appropriate steps
39:45
Speaker 4: on how to form an LLC and you know, get
39:48
Speaker 4: my E, I, N and all that that fun stuff.
39:51
Speaker 4: And so we are not quite open yet. We're actually
39:53
Speaker 4: gonna be opening up. I was hoping for April first,
39:57
Speaker 4: but now I'm thinking May first, is because.
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40:06
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40:09
Speaker 4: You know, it's fine when you open your own business,
40:11
Speaker 4: when it comes down to just you, you can get
40:14
Speaker 4: a lot done very quickly. As soon as you start
40:17
Speaker 4: relying on someone else, your business slows down to a cross,
40:20
Speaker 4: you know, and and not saying you know, it's not
40:23
Speaker 4: you know, because the other people being lazy. It's just
40:25
Speaker 4: because you have to rely on other people and they're
40:27
Speaker 4: swamps with other things. So when you have to start
40:29
Speaker 4: relying on other people, that's when when things just really
40:32
Speaker 4: slow down. But you know, so right now we have
40:34
Speaker 4: our website is about to be built. It's the same
40:37
Speaker 4: people who do all the big guys up in New
40:38
Speaker 4: York City, will I me know Quortaly saying, people who
40:40
Speaker 4: build their website, they're building our website. We're gonna get
40:43
Speaker 4: the top of the line booking software, which is gonna
40:45
Speaker 4: be awesome. So no one else here in Philadelphia has
40:47
Speaker 4: the booking software that we will have, so really really
40:50
Speaker 4: proud about that. And so yeah, so right now we're
40:52
Speaker 4: doing that as well as you know, doing some stuff
40:54
Speaker 4: with the stand New Jersey. I still have to get
40:55
Speaker 4: my licensing. But in order to get a license, you
40:57
Speaker 4: need to have an office. And then in order to
41:00
Speaker 4: get my SAG, you know, become a member of SAG,
41:02
Speaker 4: which people will be sack franchised, you need to have
41:05
Speaker 4: your licensing and then also have an office. So I
41:07
Speaker 4: didn't want to sit on an office for too long
41:09
Speaker 4: and not actually be using it. So we're actually going
41:12
Speaker 4: to start the least probably next week with the office.
41:15
Speaker 4: The actual office space.
41:16
Speaker 3: How did you actually find the office space?
41:18
Speaker 4: I mean it's just in the When we've looked at
41:20
Speaker 4: our startup funds, you know, I want a good portion
41:22
Speaker 4: of the store funds to go to the website. The website,
41:24
Speaker 4: because had is to what I mean makes or breaks
41:26
Speaker 4: a company these days, especially in this industry. I mean,
41:28
Speaker 4: it's all about the website and how professional it looks.
41:32
Speaker 4: So we went the best website not only Philadelphia, but
41:34
Speaker 4: also one that we can pete up in New York
41:35
Speaker 4: City because we're really focusing on on Philadelphia, DC and
41:39
Speaker 4: New York City, trying to of bridge those three cities.
41:42
Speaker 4: This is why we open up in Jersey, or we're
41:44
Speaker 4: opening up in Jersey. But so what was the question again,
41:49
Speaker 4: opening your office? Yeahh okay, it's the office. Yeah, yeah,
41:53
Speaker 4: So the office. We just went with one of those
41:54
Speaker 4: those regis, like we work spaces. You know, it's not
41:57
Speaker 4: no one's going to be in my office the office
41:59
Speaker 4: just from I'm probably not even gonna be in my
42:01
Speaker 4: office most days, you know, like I'm always on the go,
42:03
Speaker 4: always on the rine and working for my laptop, and
42:06
Speaker 4: so has everyone else in this industry. So so long
42:08
Speaker 4: as you answer that phone, like you know, like uh,
42:10
Speaker 4: then that's all that matters, no matter where you're working with.
42:14
Speaker 4: My clients are in their pajamas half the time I
42:15
Speaker 4: talked about they don't care.
42:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I don't know how much you could
42:21
Speaker 3: talk about this, But you have mentioned startup funds, and
42:24
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty cool because, by the way, you
42:26
Speaker 3: mentioned E I N number, which, by the way, everyone listening,
42:28
Speaker 3: that's the the dreaded tax number that you have to
42:31
Speaker 3: use to pay your tax. But I've been down that
42:33
Speaker 3: road many times. I see that. I'm like, oh, the
42:36
Speaker 3: taxman's are coming. You could piss off the mafia. You
42:39
Speaker 3: could piss off a lot of people. Don't piss off
42:41
Speaker 3: Oh the I R s. Well they got al capone, Okay,
42:45
Speaker 3: you are not going to get by them. So so
42:49
Speaker 3: where if you can talk about how did you raise
42:51
Speaker 3: your your own startup?
42:52
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's funny, like one thing I thought
42:55
Speaker 4: going into this business and don't be on my own
42:57
Speaker 4: business like, oh I can find alone, or I can
42:59
Speaker 4: find like or the banks will hand it out. Fun fact,
43:03
Speaker 4: banks do not give out the small business loans. That
43:06
Speaker 4: doesn't happen, you know. There, there's really not You can't
43:08
Speaker 4: even use your reversonal funds. Really is leverage or your
43:11
Speaker 4: credit It doesn't really work like that. A lot of
43:13
Speaker 4: a lot of companies are actually funded by on their
43:15
Speaker 4: credit card, you know, which is crazy because you know,
43:18
Speaker 4: the credit card companies can jack up their prices, you know,
43:20
Speaker 4: or their interest rates or what have you. So a
43:22
Speaker 4: lot of and I just I never knew that. I
43:24
Speaker 4: thought like the banks would be willing and happy to
43:27
Speaker 4: give me a loan, but no it's not. And I
43:30
Speaker 4: have a really good credit score and like, not the brag,
43:32
Speaker 4: but I'm just saying like that's I was like, oh shit.
43:34
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, they want collateral or they want something like
43:37
Speaker 3: a co signer or you know, because they got to
43:39
Speaker 3: break your legs.
43:41
Speaker 4: So so a lot of, like I said, a lot
43:43
Speaker 4: of small businesses just done through bootstrapping. And uh, for
43:47
Speaker 4: for us, we were able to secure a private investor
43:51
Speaker 4: who was willing to defront the whole startup cost with that.
43:55
Speaker 4: It was great. It was really really lucky to have that.
43:57
Speaker 4: And really, I mean that we wouldn't be able to
44:01
Speaker 4: run if it wasn't for that loan, or rather would
44:04
Speaker 4: have taken a lot longer. So really really appreciative and
44:08
Speaker 4: grateful for that. But yeah, so that's essentially yeah, I
44:11
Speaker 4: always started.
44:12
Speaker 3: That's awesome though, thank you bye way, I just took
44:15
Speaker 3: a bite of cheese sticking me sorry, So well, as
44:18
Speaker 3: you sort of go now where did you comee with
44:20
Speaker 3: the name of VI.
44:21
Speaker 4: But so what I want to do is I want
44:23
Speaker 4: to make sure that like when we open up our agency,
44:26
Speaker 4: we're not on the defense. We're very much on the offense.
44:28
Speaker 4: We want to compete, we want to attack, we want
44:31
Speaker 4: to make ourselves known. So but I just definitely kind
44:33
Speaker 4: of fit more in tune with that as well as
44:36
Speaker 4: even our I mean our logo or or the VY lettering.
44:39
Speaker 4: Is this like a crimson read for a reason, because
44:41
Speaker 4: we wanted to be you know known as as you know, aggressive.
44:45
Speaker 4: So I definitely you know, was fit in real nicely.
44:48
Speaker 4: I just like having a three letter name sounding good.
44:50
Speaker 4: It just seemed to fit well with like you know,
44:52
Speaker 4: Ford Elite VI Well, I mean, you know, just kind
44:54
Speaker 4: of fit nicely in there as well as just having
44:58
Speaker 4: you know, additional implications and I think kind of going
45:01
Speaker 4: in with the brand. Uh. But then also the r
45:03
Speaker 4: L was a big thing, so we had VI agency
45:05
Speaker 4: dot Com was available, you know, like no one else
45:08
Speaker 4: said looking vie, I mean, and I had gone through it.
45:10
Speaker 4: There was a good ten other names which I also
45:12
Speaker 4: would like, but you know, they weren't available because the
45:15
Speaker 4: r L was like a thousand dollars or you know,
45:17
Speaker 4: so that's that's a I mean with the website, it's
45:20
Speaker 4: it's it's something you really have to consider when you're
45:21
Speaker 4: naming your businesses. Is it available and it's someone else?
45:25
Speaker 4: Does someone else have it? And you know, and I
45:28
Speaker 4: think there is another there might be another via ancin
45:30
Speaker 4: in like Germany or something like that. But like it's
45:32
Speaker 4: like it's so like that's you know, that's not a
45:35
Speaker 4: big deal.
45:35
Speaker 3: But yeah, was one of the other names, like a
45:38
Speaker 3: play on it off of your name, like on the
45:40
Speaker 3: ball on the ball agency people people.
45:42
Speaker 4: Asked to do, like like of course, like you get
45:44
Speaker 4: like that the balls models because the Zoolander thing and
45:47
Speaker 4: like got Zulans is like the bane of my existence.
45:50
Speaker 4: I hear fucking Zoolander jokes every day in my life,
45:53
Speaker 4: and so.
45:54
Speaker 3: What do you think of Zoolander too?
45:55
Speaker 4: I didn't see it. Oh there's garbage. So I'm like, uh,
45:59
Speaker 4: just see it.
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Speaker 3: I see, I see. I see a lot of movies,
46:02
Speaker 3: will I see a lot?
46:03
Speaker 4: I mean I did too, but I just that one.
46:05
Speaker 4: I was like, I.
46:08
Speaker 3: Uh, there was one funny part and the rest of it.
46:11
Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell happened? It's like it's
46:15
Speaker 3: almost like all of the the the the funny and
46:18
Speaker 3: the scenes and the the the craftsmanship of the first
46:21
Speaker 3: film was all lost and it was like and it
46:24
Speaker 3: was just almost like like we weird. It was almost
46:26
Speaker 3: the fact that early nineties comedy theme.
46:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's the thing, like like there's kind of comedy.
46:31
Speaker 4: They just don't work anymore, like like I think the
46:33
Speaker 4: first one was like lightning in a model in a way,
46:35
Speaker 4: and that's.
46:36
Speaker 3: There was one. There was one funny part though in
46:38
Speaker 3: zot Or two, and I'll just tell you what it
46:40
Speaker 3: is because you're probably never gonna see it. So where
46:43
Speaker 3: is it? Moufesto lafoss He's in jail at his well
46:48
Speaker 3: Farrell and he actually has a way to break out, right,
46:51
Speaker 3: So he gets Derek Zulander come into the jail and
46:53
Speaker 3: he's like, here's my plan to how I'm gonna escape,
46:55
Speaker 3: And he has fashioned a Derek Zulander mask that is
46:58
Speaker 3: so shitty looking and he's actually flashing another myss looks
47:02
Speaker 3: like him to put on Derek. So so now Derek
47:04
Speaker 3: is chained up with the Mafoster mask on. Well Mafossa
47:07
Speaker 3: walks out of this Derek Zulander mask on. It's so
47:10
Speaker 3: blatantly obvious, and it was like, oh, goodbye Derek. He's
47:13
Speaker 3: like it's act that was actually funny. Everything else I
47:17
Speaker 3: was like.
47:18
Speaker 4: Well, I just watched The Dumb and Dumber and I just,
47:22
Speaker 4: I honestly, I turned it off. And I never turned
47:25
Speaker 4: off movies, but like it was like I got like
47:27
Speaker 4: twenty five minutes in and I'm like, I can't, I can't.
47:30
Speaker 3: You know what sapport is, it doesn't get any better.
47:32
Speaker 3: I very rarely have returned off movies either. That's why
47:36
Speaker 3: I've always said the first one was so good. I
47:38
Speaker 3: was actually just talking about yesterday, and then then I
47:40
Speaker 3: saw that one. I was like, what the hell happened?
47:43
Speaker 4: I feel like comedy is in a bad state right now. Like,
47:46
Speaker 4: you know, the funniest movie last year was pop Star
47:48
Speaker 4: Never Stopped. Never Saw. I mean, that was it. It
47:51
Speaker 4: was great, it was awesome, and no one saw it.
47:53
Speaker 4: But as far as like comedies are concerned, like it
47:56
Speaker 4: just they're so pissed, poor and just half assed, and
48:00
Speaker 4: it's that comedy needs to come back. And and now
48:02
Speaker 4: like the jutt appetite days are over, Like those comedies
48:05
Speaker 4: don't work anymore. Even those guys are like, I mean
48:07
Speaker 4: I had really high hot for Sausage Party and it
48:09
Speaker 4: was just you know, it wasn't bad identify like the
48:11
Speaker 4: story of it and like some of the plot points
48:13
Speaker 4: in the Villain was awesome, but like there's the jokes
48:15
Speaker 4: on a smaller level just did not keep that movie going.
48:18
Speaker 3: You know. You know what I think the big problem is,
48:19
Speaker 3: and I'll o king aside and don't talking about comedy
48:23
Speaker 3: is get that I was saying, oh, kay aside? But
48:27
Speaker 3: was that is the fact that it's almost like comedy
48:30
Speaker 3: has come down to two scenarios. First scenario is this,
48:33
Speaker 3: you're the straight man. I'm gonna be like the you
48:35
Speaker 3: know guy. You're you're like, oh, I got a problem
48:37
Speaker 3: Dave in this ANDNA and I go, oh yeah, why
48:39
Speaker 3: don't you give her the old motor boat? And you're like,
48:41
Speaker 3: motor boat?
48:42
Speaker 4: What's that?
48:42
Speaker 3: Oh? Come on? It's that that scenario or wedding dates
48:47
Speaker 3: or the other one is the other side of this
48:50
Speaker 3: is you know, we harp on something like you you
48:54
Speaker 3: come in and do something and I just harp and
48:56
Speaker 3: harp and harp on it. Oh that was dud. Did
48:58
Speaker 3: somebody say boner or something like that. You know what
49:00
Speaker 3: I mean, like you come in and you and you
49:02
Speaker 3: and you like do something like oh, it's awful spells
49:05
Speaker 3: like this, and we just keep harping on that. And
49:07
Speaker 3: I see every comedy they if you think, if you
49:10
Speaker 3: look out, you're not gonna be able to not to
49:11
Speaker 3: see it now that I mentioned it. Seriously, they're gonna
49:13
Speaker 3: follow one or two, or there's templates, you're gonna follow
49:16
Speaker 3: model one or model two. But every scene, no matter
49:19
Speaker 3: what's going on, that's what it's like, every joke has.
49:22
Speaker 3: That's why when when Workaholics season three, they had a
49:24
Speaker 3: board of ship that should be stopped. Yeah, yes, thank you.
49:27
Speaker 4: I like that a lot. I think that's a really
49:28
Speaker 4: like smart way to do that. And I mean even like, honestly,
49:32
Speaker 4: I think also this this improv movement has gone too far.
49:34
Speaker 4: That's why like Ghostbusters doesn't work at all, because you
49:36
Speaker 4: can tell like they were just on set and they're like,
49:38
Speaker 4: all right, be funny, and you just keep going and
49:41
Speaker 4: just but that's not funny, Like that's like that doesn't
49:43
Speaker 4: make good comedy, and it just doesn't. Somebody even that
49:46
Speaker 4: movie just didn't make The jokes just didn't make sense,
49:48
Speaker 4: like it just it was so nonsensical and just so
49:50
Speaker 4: confusing and and like I said, but like you cannot
49:53
Speaker 4: just improv like improv. It's kind of like only a
49:56
Speaker 4: few people can do that, you know, Like you're looking
49:58
Speaker 4: like the days of like Reno nine one one, and
49:59
Speaker 4: like it was so funny, like most of that was
50:01
Speaker 4: im problem. That's crazy, and like they were talented, they knew,
50:03
Speaker 4: they were all on board.
50:04
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50:15
Speaker 4: Even that was like a niche and I now everyone's
50:17
Speaker 4: doing that back then, and you don't need to. You
50:19
Speaker 4: can't make a movie out of it. We're just right
50:20
Speaker 4: on your you know, when your screen range, just be
50:22
Speaker 4: like make jokes, you know, like banter.
50:25
Speaker 3: You know, the best part of Ghostbusters the remake was
50:28
Speaker 3: the ongoing joke that Melissa McCarthy and that Chinese place. Yeah,
50:32
Speaker 3: that was the funniest, like that I.
50:34
Speaker 4: Could relate to that, and like I did, and I
50:36
Speaker 4: know other people kind of sitting on that joke, but
50:38
Speaker 4: I did. I agree that thought. That was the only
50:39
Speaker 4: thing that was like like I just like give a
50:41
Speaker 4: half smell, like.
50:42
Speaker 3: Okay, you see me about the Chinese place, you gauys
50:44
Speaker 3: it should be up here in ten minutes and it's
50:46
Speaker 3: like one pron or whatever. I thought that was hilarious
50:49
Speaker 3: and I was like, that's the stuff they should have
50:50
Speaker 3: been heart focusing on more on. And then when when
50:53
Speaker 3: when Bill Murray came.
50:54
Speaker 4: In there, like you waited, like you specifically didn't do
50:57
Speaker 4: ghost sbusers just to get this role, like the fuck
51:00
Speaker 4: out of here, like you suck like like all like
51:03
Speaker 4: all those those cameos are just like so forced and
51:05
Speaker 4: so like it's just painful, like and that's the it's
51:08
Speaker 4: not like it's not honestly, I blame that. It's not
51:11
Speaker 4: the women, it's the man behind the movie who like
51:13
Speaker 4: and I like, I think he has some good like
51:15
Speaker 4: he directed some of my favorite Office episodes, Like he
51:17
Speaker 4: has the capacity, but like lately he's not been bringing it.
51:20
Speaker 4: I don't know what's what this deal is, but uh whatever, comedy,
51:25
Speaker 4: So comedy sucks right now and uh uh like I said,
51:28
Speaker 4: never see pop star never stopped never stopping it.
51:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'll link that in the show notes as well.
51:32
Speaker 3: But so you basically now VI, it's it's opened up
51:35
Speaker 3: now and people can submit to to be represented.
51:37
Speaker 4: Yeh were So we're not We're not open like said,
51:39
Speaker 4: we're not. We haven't opened our doors yet, but we
51:41
Speaker 4: are accepting early applications.
51:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say, was that you
51:44
Speaker 3: were opening up for applications, like meaning that you can
51:46
Speaker 3: now submit to you to be represented. So basically, is
51:51
Speaker 3: there any criteria that that for any actors or models
51:54
Speaker 3: or anything listening to this? Should they be you know,
51:57
Speaker 3: like should should you looking for certain somebody or you're
51:59
Speaker 3: looking for a certain so shape you are you just hoping?
52:02
Speaker 2: So?
52:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, So obviously there's different divisions. We have our Muellling
52:05
Speaker 4: Division and we have our Acting Division. Acting division. We
52:08
Speaker 4: need people of every age, every size, ever look so
52:11
Speaker 4: long as they are experienced and they you know, are
52:14
Speaker 4: talented by all me Like I said, I want to
52:18
Speaker 4: see him. I want to know who they are. That
52:19
Speaker 4: being said, we are not representing any kids right now,
52:23
Speaker 4: just because honestly, kids are double the work and have
52:25
Speaker 4: to pay and I just don't want to. I don't
52:28
Speaker 4: want to deal with parents, just like it be a parent,
52:31
Speaker 4: like and honestly, like I'm one person right now, so
52:33
Speaker 4: like I don't have time to deal with momagers and
52:35
Speaker 4: daddagers and just like that whole lot. Oh it's all.
52:38
Speaker 4: I mean, it's also a great excuse for like when
52:40
Speaker 4: I go to the bank and people are like, oh,
52:41
Speaker 4: you run your own business, what do you do And
52:43
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm with alan agent, like oh, well my kid,
52:46
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, Nope, we don't. We don't represent kids. Sorry,
52:49
Speaker 4: you really have a good day. So, uh, it's but then,
52:53
Speaker 4: as far as actors or something, models are concerned, miles
52:57
Speaker 4: definitely have a more a strict criteria. I mean they
53:00
Speaker 4: should be above if you're a female, should be under
53:02
Speaker 4: or over me five eight if you're a man, five
53:06
Speaker 4: eleven at the very least.
53:08
Speaker 3: So I couldn't be a model.
53:09
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. I hate to shoot on your varad or
53:12
Speaker 4: crush your dreams. But because I am five with ten,
53:16
Speaker 4: yeah you just fell one in short, I mean totally
53:18
Speaker 4: two inches, but like yeah.
53:21
Speaker 3: Really I could not be a model.
53:22
Speaker 4: Sorry. Oh. Then the reasoning being because people always asked
53:25
Speaker 4: this is like, so like, let's say a client comes
53:27
Speaker 4: to me and says, okay, well, like they have one
53:29
Speaker 4: sample size and they say that's and it's easier for
53:32
Speaker 4: them to find a talent who fits that sample size
53:35
Speaker 4: rather than have fifteen different sample sizes to fit that
53:38
Speaker 4: one talent. You know. So it's really not it's not
53:40
Speaker 4: my decision, just like the clients or just they have
53:43
Speaker 4: their sample sizes. So so yeah, but so it kind
53:47
Speaker 4: of like looking at who were looking for both models
53:50
Speaker 4: and actors, we want to represent two people. Number one,
53:52
Speaker 4: people who have experience and have a headshot resume or
53:55
Speaker 4: have a really diverse portfolio. If you're a model or
53:59
Speaker 4: number two. It's okay if you're green, but you have
54:01
Speaker 4: to you know, be really on top of your thing.
54:03
Speaker 4: You know, you have to be professional, reliable, have a personality.
54:05
Speaker 4: So you know, I we will be representing you know,
54:08
Speaker 4: new faces per se, but they have to be right
54:11
Speaker 4: on the ball. They've got to you know, they've got
54:12
Speaker 4: to bring it. So and I have actually like a
54:15
Speaker 4: whole interview process that I go through that can kind
54:16
Speaker 4: of weed that out and figure out who really is.
54:19
Speaker 4: But yeah, so like I said, if if you're interested
54:21
Speaker 4: by all means to send me an email will at
54:22
Speaker 4: via Agency vi I Eagency dot com and I'll be
54:26
Speaker 4: happy to send in early application for well.
54:28
Speaker 3: See, I'm glad they were talking about this because we
54:31
Speaker 3: all know casting calls sometimes and they charge for certain things,
54:34
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And you and I have
54:36
Speaker 3: talked about this before where it's like, hey, you know,
54:38
Speaker 3: why don't you come to this open casting call? Or
54:40
Speaker 3: you see them in the mall, you know what I mean.
54:41
Speaker 3: You'll see them on like a wall, like hey, we're
54:43
Speaker 3: looking for new faces for this or that. And then
54:45
Speaker 3: so people like me will come in and be like, hey,
54:47
Speaker 3: all right, I could be a you know, I could
54:49
Speaker 3: be an act or whatever. So I signed, you know,
54:51
Speaker 3: I go and they want to want to fee. Well
54:55
Speaker 3: here's here's the thing. I've seen this in Philly and
54:57
Speaker 3: New York too. A certain actors have have posted on
55:01
Speaker 3: Facebook whatever, hey I got an agent, now I got
55:04
Speaker 3: a manager, And I'm like, really, this guy like because
55:06
Speaker 3: so it's not because forget about talent for a second.
55:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about personality. Some of these guys
55:11
Speaker 3: are such loose cannons. And I mean, like I would
55:16
Speaker 3: never ever cast them even as a loose cannon. They
55:18
Speaker 3: are a loose cannon. I wouldn't cast as a loose cannon.
55:20
Speaker 3: So much of a loose cannon. So even the point
55:23
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make here is when those types of
55:26
Speaker 3: things happen, Like what what's what are some of the
55:29
Speaker 3: things that people should look for for in case something
55:32
Speaker 3: is a scam or there's.
55:33
Speaker 4: Red festalst like the other thing that that with me
55:35
Speaker 4: opening up Five, The reason I actually came back from
55:37
Speaker 4: from from LA was because I was being told by
55:40
Speaker 4: so many both clients and talent saying, will you know
55:43
Speaker 4: there there is a such a need here for a
55:45
Speaker 4: better agency, someone who knows what they're doing, who has
55:48
Speaker 4: experience in a bigger market. But also it's completely honest
55:51
Speaker 4: and transparent and has nothing to hide, And that's really
55:53
Speaker 4: something we're we're really really stressing. I would go on
55:55
Speaker 4: our Instagram or our Facebook like very very like we
55:59
Speaker 4: were complete transparent, we have nothing, nothing to hide. We
56:02
Speaker 4: make our money only or will make our money only
56:05
Speaker 4: through through agency fees and commissions. So we only make
56:08
Speaker 4: money when the talent work, when when they make money.
56:11
Speaker 4: So we will never charge for any sort of representation fee,
56:14
Speaker 4: No bullshit website fees like none of this stuff that Like,
56:18
Speaker 4: even some honest agencies eventually start tacking on because they
56:20
Speaker 4: get startin thing greedy. So yeah, I would say, if
56:22
Speaker 4: if you're looking out looking for like trying to to
56:26
Speaker 4: to to prevent yourself from from getting involved with a scam. Definitely,
56:30
Speaker 4: the biggest thread flag is is the money. You know,
56:33
Speaker 4: if you have any sort of upfront costs and because
56:36
Speaker 4: I mean if you run an agency like that, then
56:38
Speaker 4: you have a talent pool of people who are just
56:40
Speaker 4: willing to pay that money to get in, not necessarily
56:43
Speaker 4: are they talented, you know, So it's uh, that's definitely
56:46
Speaker 4: the biggest thread flag. Also, I've look at the contracts.
56:49
Speaker 4: If they're exclusive contracts, that's a big warning sign. You know,
56:52
Speaker 4: we offer non exclusive contracts cause I don't want to
56:54
Speaker 4: limit anybody. I don't want to limit our talent. Like, hey,
56:56
Speaker 4: if you you know, if you're already represented by someone
56:59
Speaker 4: and you want to go up in New York City,
57:00
Speaker 4: great sign with me. Mostly what we can do if
57:03
Speaker 4: you know, you signed with me and there you get
57:05
Speaker 4: an opportunity out in LA to go work with someone. Yeah,
57:07
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna limit you. Go do it, go have fun,
57:09
Speaker 4: you know, Like like I never want to limit someone's opportunities.
57:13
Speaker 4: I just want the most and the best for our talents.
57:15
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a few like these warning sciences honestly
57:18
Speaker 4: do your research, you know, and ask about that, like
57:21
Speaker 4: what jobs do they have? They both like, what do
57:23
Speaker 4: you know who your biggest clients? When you go meet
57:25
Speaker 4: with an AMG, you know who tell us about some
57:27
Speaker 4: of the most successful models and actors that you've had
57:29
Speaker 4: and what they've done. You've really got to do your research. No,
57:32
Speaker 4: And that's a kind of an ice two is like
57:34
Speaker 4: people who signed with scams, you know, they just didn't
57:37
Speaker 4: do their homework, you know, like they or it's because
57:40
Speaker 4: you know, some of these scams provide all these like
57:42
Speaker 4: services that you could really do for yourself, but because
57:45
Speaker 4: you know, it's just like an easy and I don't
57:48
Speaker 4: want to say lazy, but it is almost like a
57:50
Speaker 4: lazy way of getting into the business without really knowing
57:54
Speaker 4: many people or are doing it the right way. Yeah.
57:58
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also I've seen a lot of it as
57:59
Speaker 3: an extrame used to sell like headshots and stuff like that,
58:01
Speaker 3: like services, you know.
58:02
Speaker 4: And that's the thing like we never like so for us,
58:04
Speaker 4: like if you're an I will say, if you're in
58:05
Speaker 4: a model, are actually looking to get into this, Like
58:07
Speaker 4: you've got to do a ton of work on your
58:09
Speaker 4: own before you come into an agency. Before you go
58:12
Speaker 4: to an agent, you've got to get your headshot, you
58:14
Speaker 4: got to get your resume, you got to get your portfolio.
58:15
Speaker 4: If you're a model, like you have to do so
58:17
Speaker 4: much work on your own, like you're getting an agent.
58:19
Speaker 4: It's a step up, you know, Like, but you've got
58:21
Speaker 4: to you know, pay your dues first, so you know,
58:23
Speaker 4: you can't just come in with nothing, like because then
58:25
Speaker 4: I can't market you if you have no imagery, then like,
58:27
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna charge. I will never ask for money
58:30
Speaker 4: for to you know, uh, to get you photography, but
58:33
Speaker 4: instead I'll tell you go get some decent photography, like
58:36
Speaker 4: and here. And I have a list of photographers so
58:38
Speaker 4: I know and I trust, and I'll I'll give them
58:39
Speaker 4: to you. But they charge, and I mean, that's not
58:41
Speaker 4: my business. And you know, but maybe you have a
58:43
Speaker 4: friend who's a really up and coming photographer or you
58:46
Speaker 4: have a connection, yeah, shore with them. I just need
58:48
Speaker 4: something to market you with and I can't market you
58:50
Speaker 4: with nothing. But I'm never going to charge for that.
58:53
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, I've a couple of weeks ago,
58:56
Speaker 3: I saw a photo online from this from a tall
59:00
Speaker 3: agent agency, and uh, they were saying something about you know,
59:05
Speaker 3: casting models or this and that, and I looked at
59:08
Speaker 3: some of these models and I'm like, yep, wait a
59:11
Speaker 3: minute here, I said, am I missing something? And after
59:15
Speaker 3: this is over, I'm gonna show you. Then I'm gonna
59:19
Speaker 3: cause I don't I don't know about this. Well yeah no, And.
59:23
Speaker 4: To mean like that is so sad. I see that happen.
59:25
Speaker 4: And sometimes the nicest thing you can say to someone
59:28
Speaker 4: is no, you know sometimes you know and yeah, like
59:31
Speaker 4: and that's where I think agents get like a bad
59:33
Speaker 4: rap and casting directors get a bad rap. Like I know,
59:35
Speaker 4: as much as I love Lalla Land, like I hate
59:37
Speaker 4: that shit. When they're like sitting on casting directors are
59:40
Speaker 4: like oh you know, like next you're like, oh that
59:42
Speaker 4: the woman's still mean. It's like, well, yeah, if you're
59:44
Speaker 4: in her position, then you be that mean too, because
59:46
Speaker 4: like you have to be you know, like, sorry.
59:49
Speaker 1: We can I say that.
59:50
Speaker 3: I have never encountered a casting director like that ever.
59:52
Speaker 3: Is that just weird? Look?
59:54
Speaker 4: I have never kind of Yeah, it's it's very like stereotypical.
59:58
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Speaker 4: Like like, and I I have I have met a
1:00:09
Speaker 4: few who have been similar. But you know, but at
1:00:13
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I said, even if you
1:00:14
Speaker 4: were to act that way, hey, you know you can
1:00:16
Speaker 4: and you have to in order to like get them.
1:00:19
Speaker 4: If you were seeing like say, if you saw nothing
1:00:21
Speaker 4: but talent all day, you would be very short with
1:00:23
Speaker 4: people too, and you would be very like you know,
1:00:25
Speaker 4: because you know immediately what you the client wants or
1:00:27
Speaker 4: doesn't once. So like you know, like it's easy to
1:00:30
Speaker 4: shoot on casting, but they have such a hard job,
1:00:32
Speaker 4: you know, And I mean it's not martally my job.
1:00:34
Speaker 4: I just like I'm an agent, so I work with
1:00:36
Speaker 4: the casting directors. But you know, it's just I do
1:00:39
Speaker 4: not envy them, Like that is a very thankless and
1:00:41
Speaker 4: like it's it's easy to judge them and be like, oh,
1:00:44
Speaker 4: you're so callous, they're so cruel, but it's like they
1:00:46
Speaker 4: have to be, and not a lot of people are,
1:00:49
Speaker 4: but you have to be.
1:00:50
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this when you audition for
1:00:52
Speaker 3: Game Over, which is was I was I good at casting?
1:00:55
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah? You know you were great, Like I said,
1:00:57
Speaker 4: you were, Like I said that there are a veryrely
1:01:00
Speaker 4: run into that that scenario, but you know, but I
1:01:02
Speaker 4: still you should go in expecting expecting it to be
1:01:04
Speaker 4: that like yeah, you know, like like so don't get
1:01:07
Speaker 4: your you know, don't get upset if you know the
1:01:10
Speaker 4: casting director does just say me, like say next, you know,
1:01:12
Speaker 4: like that's just part of the industry, you know, and
1:01:15
Speaker 4: like it's just don't take it personally, you know, like yeah,
1:01:18
Speaker 4: you know. So going back, like so are are a
1:01:20
Speaker 4: lot of you know, somemers. You have to tell people know,
1:01:23
Speaker 4: you have to tell people know, and you know, and
1:01:26
Speaker 4: that was.
1:01:28
Speaker 3: A big noise outside of Thays gentleman, but you know,
1:01:31
Speaker 3: and like and that's.
1:01:32
Speaker 4: I think, you know, you can tell a scam by
1:01:35
Speaker 4: just looking at their talent ross or go to the
1:01:37
Speaker 4: new faceboard and and see who's on there and just
1:01:39
Speaker 4: take a look. Can you kind of can you can tell?
1:01:41
Speaker 4: And then it's when we open up, we're really gonna
1:01:43
Speaker 4: be focusing on quality over quantity. So if we open
1:01:45
Speaker 4: up and we have fifteen really solid, great looking people
1:01:48
Speaker 4: who are also reliable, reliable and professional, that's great. I'll
1:01:51
Speaker 4: just stick with us fifteen. I don't want to flood
1:01:53
Speaker 4: my boards. I don't want forty fifty sixty people who
1:01:56
Speaker 4: I don't know are going to show up. Like I
1:01:58
Speaker 4: I tell all my talent all the time. I am
1:02:00
Speaker 4: not your employer. I am your business partner, and I
1:02:03
Speaker 4: do not go into business with someone who I do
1:02:04
Speaker 4: not trust one hundred percent. So you know, like I
1:02:07
Speaker 4: have to trust you as a person. I got to
1:02:08
Speaker 4: make sure you show up on time, you know, I
1:02:10
Speaker 4: gotta make sure that you in addition to being great
1:02:12
Speaker 4: looking or talented, you know, so there's a lot of
1:02:14
Speaker 4: aspects to being a talent.
1:02:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, there really is. Well, and uh, you know, I,
1:02:19
Speaker 3: I know we were sort of talking about all this stuff,
1:02:21
Speaker 3: and you know, I also wanted to ask I know,
1:02:25
Speaker 3: not now sort of just shift gears were starting. No, no,
1:02:28
Speaker 3: it's not a bad okay, but if you know four
1:02:32
Speaker 3: gigs look at my notes what I wanted to ask
1:02:33
Speaker 3: you and four for gigs. I know we've sort of
1:02:36
Speaker 3: kind of talked about. This is the writers group that
1:02:39
Speaker 3: you and I started? Yeah, and you know, I think
1:02:42
Speaker 3: that's another avenue of creating opportunities.
1:02:44
Speaker 4: Sure, and.
1:02:46
Speaker 3: What are some of the things that you took away
1:02:47
Speaker 3: from that writers group that we started, Like about starting
1:02:49
Speaker 3: writers groups because we don't do it anymore. You moved
1:02:51
Speaker 3: out to LA I got burned out from everything in
1:02:53
Speaker 3: my life at that point, and I was kind of like,
1:02:55
Speaker 3: get away from me, everybody, Well you know why, I mean, right, so,
1:02:59
Speaker 3: but but you know, what are some of the things
1:03:02
Speaker 3: that you took away from that group?
1:03:04
Speaker 4: You know? Honestly, I think that I didn't really expect
1:03:08
Speaker 4: their writing group to be so much fun. I was
1:03:11
Speaker 4: really I really loved and enjoy going to our meetings,
1:03:16
Speaker 4: not even to talk about writing, but just to like
1:03:17
Speaker 4: hang out with like a great group of people. And
1:03:20
Speaker 4: that was really something that I really loved and and
1:03:23
Speaker 4: enjoyed doing. And just to just be around hanging out,
1:03:25
Speaker 4: even you know, busting each others balls and stuff like that,
1:03:28
Speaker 4: and that's fine, you know, but you know, I learned
1:03:31
Speaker 4: a lot from that group. And and see, like it's
1:03:33
Speaker 4: hard sometimes even just yourself to to stay motivated to write,
1:03:37
Speaker 4: even if you did start the group, like you just
1:03:39
Speaker 4: sometimes you just lack the motivation. And then what I've
1:03:41
Speaker 4: kind of come to learn is like, you know, don't
1:03:43
Speaker 4: ever say that like you don't have time for something.
1:03:46
Speaker 4: You should in stead say that like that is not
1:03:48
Speaker 4: a priority for me right now, you know, Like and
1:03:50
Speaker 4: it because you know, and it's with any scenari whether
1:03:52
Speaker 4: it's like you know, someone you're dating or you know
1:03:55
Speaker 4: or writing. You know, it's like, oh, it's not that
1:03:56
Speaker 4: you don't have time for that person, you don't have
1:03:58
Speaker 4: time to write, you do, it's just it's not a
1:04:00
Speaker 4: priority right now. And I think that's okay, that's okay
1:04:02
Speaker 4: to admit, you know, I don't think you should really
1:04:05
Speaker 4: force writing.
1:04:06
Speaker 1: You know.
1:04:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good to be in a habit. And I
1:04:08
Speaker 4: think you got to look at too, like what your
1:04:10
Speaker 4: end goal is and what you really want to make happen.
1:04:13
Speaker 4: And especially as a writer, you really gotta I don't know,
1:04:15
Speaker 4: you gotta. It's it's easy to write these like huge
1:04:18
Speaker 4: sci fi epics and things like that, but you know,
1:04:21
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it's like, well, what
1:04:22
Speaker 4: you're you're really limiting your chance of getting made. And
1:04:24
Speaker 4: that sucks. It sucks for a writer, especially because you're like, well,
1:04:26
Speaker 4: I've really got a compromise now, and that's that you
1:04:28
Speaker 4: have to compromise your artistic integrity. And you know, I
1:04:33
Speaker 4: know a lot of writers who are like, oh, well,
1:04:34
Speaker 4: like I will never sell out. I will never, you know,
1:04:36
Speaker 4: I can never. It's like, well, then you're never gonna
1:04:38
Speaker 4: get your movie made.
1:04:38
Speaker 3: I'm sorry guys like me who are like you want
1:04:41
Speaker 3: me to sell out? Where the fu do?
1:04:42
Speaker 4: I sorry?
1:04:43
Speaker 5: I will sign right now. You want me to know,
1:04:46
Speaker 5: but like not my price, just like that's the dollars
1:04:51
Speaker 5: that exactly. That sums up the whole podcast right there.
1:04:54
Speaker 5: I'm selling out everybody. I'm selling out now.
1:04:57
Speaker 3: Uh you know, all kings. Whenever you know, I sit
1:05:01
Speaker 3: down and write a script, I always make sure if
1:05:03
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write something it's like a big budget and
1:05:05
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be end up being a big budget,
1:05:07
Speaker 3: twitter million dollars whatever. Always make sure I realize, I
1:05:10
Speaker 3: say to myself, this is like a calling card script
1:05:13
Speaker 3: or a script you enter into a contest that could
1:05:15
Speaker 3: get you to the producers. And I've had friends who've
1:05:17
Speaker 3: done that very well. Because they wrote a script. The
1:05:20
Speaker 3: budget would have to be at least like one one
1:05:22
Speaker 3: point fifty. You have to get one of the top
1:05:24
Speaker 3: people in the world to do it, like, meaning that
1:05:26
Speaker 3: the people who still can get movies made, which is
1:05:28
Speaker 3: a which is a list. By the way, it's getting
1:05:30
Speaker 3: shorter and shorter. It's really like that budget. It really
1:05:34
Speaker 3: is getting shorter and shorter. If you don't have like
1:05:36
Speaker 3: a certain somebody on there, like an a list actor,
1:05:39
Speaker 3: and that list is probably you probably count on two hands.
1:05:43
Speaker 3: It's not gonna get made. But so what they do
1:05:44
Speaker 3: is even because a calling card script and then finally,
1:05:46
Speaker 3: maybe someday if there's another star that Hollywood can can
1:05:51
Speaker 3: in a sort of I don't want to say manufacture
1:05:54
Speaker 3: but maybe faster. Yeah, because you know, they see Hollywood
1:05:59
Speaker 3: for all their money and all the marketing, they can't
1:06:02
Speaker 3: actually choose the stars because it's what movies get. You know,
1:06:04
Speaker 3: the public goes to see it because what that's the
1:06:07
Speaker 3: new megastar. Harrison Ford when he was in Star Wars
1:06:10
Speaker 3: didn't even think it was anything. You know, it wasn't
1:06:12
Speaker 3: gonna be that big. And he went to on vacation,
1:06:14
Speaker 3: I think, to Morocco and they were playing it and
1:06:16
Speaker 3: there was a big poster of him right outside. He goes, well,
1:06:19
Speaker 3: he goes, I think this is a being of something amazing.
1:06:22
Speaker 3: And he said after that that people were just you know,
1:06:24
Speaker 3: and then they became Star Wars. They did Empire Strikes
1:06:27
Speaker 3: Back and then you know, and now now he crashed
1:06:29
Speaker 3: his planes on a golf perts but.
1:06:31
Speaker 4: Seriously said it's still like discouraging it and just like
1:06:35
Speaker 4: disheartening to know that, like Han Solo is not Han Sol.
1:06:39
Speaker 3: Did you ever see the panel he did for Enders
1:06:41
Speaker 3: Game at a comic con and somebody raised it and
1:06:44
Speaker 3: he goes and listen as the moderates and listen, everybody,
1:06:46
Speaker 3: we're not going to talk about Star Wars. This is
1:06:48
Speaker 3: about Enders Game. First question out of the gate was
1:06:51
Speaker 3: would Hans Solo make a good pilot Nder's Game? And
1:06:54
Speaker 3: he goes, well, no, because he's a rogue. Second question,
1:06:57
Speaker 3: would Indiana Jones make a good pilot Andrews game? And
1:07:00
Speaker 3: he goes, that's the end of this. He left because
1:07:04
Speaker 3: he knew he was just gonna get killed. And the
1:07:06
Speaker 3: third question I would have been with Decker from Blade
1:07:08
Speaker 3: Runner take a goodbyelet because you could see where it
1:07:11
Speaker 3: was going.
1:07:11
Speaker 4: I love it Like Bruno is not a very good movie,
1:07:14
Speaker 4: but the best part of that movie is when he
1:07:16
Speaker 4: goes up to Arison for just like it's such like
1:07:21
Speaker 4: an old.
1:07:25
Speaker 3: And I was looking at promoting the big interview with
1:07:28
Speaker 3: Arison Ford Christ. But you know one thing I want
1:07:32
Speaker 3: to think about that writers group is will is you
1:07:35
Speaker 3: start to realize that it's some of the things that
1:07:37
Speaker 3: I've I've as I was, you know, taking doing the
1:07:39
Speaker 3: writers group, I was maybe taking a course or you know,
1:07:42
Speaker 3: talking to the people who are out in LA or
1:07:44
Speaker 3: they're doing their own courses or what have you. One
1:07:46
Speaker 3: thing is always that you don't there's you shouldn't be
1:07:51
Speaker 3: obsessed with rules. I think that's so. I mean, I
1:07:55
Speaker 3: think we all grew in that group. I think every
1:07:57
Speaker 3: single person got better.
1:08:00
Speaker 4: But they also have to listen to each other too,
1:08:02
Speaker 4: you know, you got the definitely have to be receptive advice.
1:08:05
Speaker 4: And and I say, like, if one person is saying
1:08:07
Speaker 4: something like yeah, okay, it may or may not be true,
1:08:09
Speaker 4: but if like everybody in the group was saying something,
1:08:12
Speaker 4: then it's probably true, you know. Like, and I think
1:08:15
Speaker 4: that's that comes you know, you really and it's hard.
1:08:17
Speaker 4: I think that's hard for writers to do because you
1:08:19
Speaker 4: don't want to come, we don't want to change. Yeah,
1:08:21
Speaker 4: and you know, sometimes we've all been there, like we
1:08:24
Speaker 4: think the script's coming, like really go over really well,
1:08:26
Speaker 4: everyone's gonna love it, and then you come in and
1:08:28
Speaker 4: everyone's just like piston and shitting on it. He was
1:08:30
Speaker 4: like every time for me, No one wasn't.
1:08:34
Speaker 3: Every time or none everis the time. I honestly, I'm
1:08:38
Speaker 3: glad that the one script that I wrote that everyone
1:08:41
Speaker 3: liked was that Crispy script. And I'm glad that nobody
1:08:45
Speaker 3: knew who wrote it and everyone was glad, and Krispy
1:08:48
Speaker 3: was like he didn't know who wrote it. It was
1:08:49
Speaker 3: it was that you met, and that was like, no,
1:08:52
Speaker 3: we know.
1:08:52
Speaker 4: I will say, like, I like writer script because it
1:08:54
Speaker 4: was so genuine, Whereas now, you know, after living out
1:08:57
Speaker 4: in LA, it's like Jesus, you go to a bar
1:09:00
Speaker 4: are You're like, what are you doing? Like, oh, I'm
1:09:01
Speaker 4: a writer, and it's like okay, like yeah, one of
1:09:03
Speaker 4: like a thousand I've met today, you know. And I
1:09:05
Speaker 4: think think said it's just it was nice to just
1:09:08
Speaker 4: actually like do something and to be proactive and just
1:09:11
Speaker 4: be a group that was just very sincere. And I think, like,
1:09:14
Speaker 4: you know, we were all in it for the right reasons.
1:09:17
Speaker 4: Nothing else is to create, you know.
1:09:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think too that a lot of writers,
1:09:21
Speaker 3: I think, speaking as you talk about rules, I think
1:09:24
Speaker 3: the main problem with a lot of the screenwriters, whether
1:09:26
Speaker 3: it be in LA or New York or Philadelphia, I
1:09:30
Speaker 3: think everyone now has sort of gotten the quote unquote
1:09:34
Speaker 3: rule books and they're all writing for templates. Yeah, and
1:09:38
Speaker 3: I think now because I've I've tried to write scripts
1:09:42
Speaker 3: do templates just to see how it would work, you
1:09:43
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like you got to try it before,
1:09:45
Speaker 3: you know, you know, so I tried it and I
1:09:49
Speaker 3: was like, this was okay. I wouldn't do this again
1:09:52
Speaker 3: because I mean, you're really like, what the hell you're following?
1:09:55
Speaker 3: You know, step one blah blah blah.
1:09:57
Speaker 4: That so too, and it's just formula.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's just I, you know, I look back
1:10:11
Speaker 3: some of my favorite movies and I don't remember any
1:10:14
Speaker 3: of those guys, because I you know, I'm a you know,
1:10:16
Speaker 3: I tend to really get into what what whatever the
1:10:19
Speaker 3: project is like, you know what I mean, Like if
1:10:20
Speaker 3: I sing a movie I really like, nowadays we call
1:10:22
Speaker 3: it stalking. But but I was like, you know, now,
1:10:26
Speaker 3: because like The Nice Guys. I thought The Nice Guys
1:10:27
Speaker 3: was the best movie last year. I thought that was
1:10:29
Speaker 3: a phenomenal movie.
1:10:31
Speaker 4: I liked it, which I was a little I walked
1:10:34
Speaker 4: away a little disappointed. I didn't think I liked as
1:10:36
Speaker 4: much and there's a lot of people who I really
1:10:38
Speaker 4: a lot of critics who I I follow, who that
1:10:40
Speaker 4: was their favorite movie of the year. So I'm not
1:10:42
Speaker 4: it was a really good movie. I really just I
1:10:44
Speaker 4: didn't like it as much as I wanted to. For me,
1:10:47
Speaker 4: the Whitch was was my favorite movie of last year.
1:10:49
Speaker 4: I just thought that was like the horror film of
1:10:52
Speaker 4: the past decade, like just it was like so like
1:10:54
Speaker 4: damn like it. It also feels like generally satanic too,
1:10:56
Speaker 4: which is pretty badass. But no, I think going back
1:10:59
Speaker 4: to that, like I've read some advice about screen rain,
1:11:02
Speaker 4: it was like, don't worry so much about the act structure.
1:11:05
Speaker 4: Just keep building. So long as things are happening in
1:11:08
Speaker 4: building and progressing, then you're okay, you know. And I
1:11:11
Speaker 4: think that to me is that's how I kind of,
1:11:13
Speaker 4: you know, took it and then just kind of really
1:11:15
Speaker 4: took that the heart because I'm not really good at
1:11:17
Speaker 4: like the three act structure. I so it's looking like
1:11:19
Speaker 4: confuses me, to be honest, like because then you like
1:11:22
Speaker 4: you have this this structure and then like people try
1:11:24
Speaker 4: to like like compare like the best movies in the
1:11:27
Speaker 4: past ten years of this and like, okay, I really can,
1:11:30
Speaker 4: Like I can see like the inciting incident you know
1:11:31
Speaker 4: at page twenty. Yeah, I get that. I think that
1:11:33
Speaker 4: needs to happen, But like, I just don't really I
1:11:36
Speaker 4: think sometimes you like, they try to force that template
1:11:39
Speaker 4: onto every film and it doesn't really work.
1:11:41
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've realized this, and it's also from
1:11:43
Speaker 3: just talking to a lot of different people. One thing
1:11:46
Speaker 3: is certain some people who do that, who take a
1:11:49
Speaker 3: movie and they put it into the whatever time plate
1:11:50
Speaker 3: or whatever, they're brilliant. They're they're not really screenwriting gurus
1:11:54
Speaker 3: or teachers, what have you. What they are is they're
1:11:56
Speaker 3: brilliant story analysts. They can take Star Wars, or they
1:12:00
Speaker 3: take Jawls, or they take Indiana Jones and they put
1:12:02
Speaker 3: it to that template and they sort of talk about
1:12:04
Speaker 3: it a little more deeper, and then they go to
1:12:05
Speaker 3: another deeper level and hey, great, you know you know what,
1:12:08
Speaker 3: that's great, We've just deconstructed Indiana Jones and Jaws. But
1:12:12
Speaker 3: what does that teach us how to write our own script?
1:12:14
Speaker 4: Yeah?
1:12:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean really it's like a replication of
1:12:17
Speaker 3: It's like, hey, if I take a car and I
1:12:20
Speaker 3: and I totally take it apart, that's going to teach
1:12:23
Speaker 3: me how to build a car. It'll teach me about
1:12:25
Speaker 3: building a chassis maybe and maybe about how a car
1:12:28
Speaker 3: would actually work because it'll be an internal combustion engine.
1:12:31
Speaker 3: We put gasoline, it's on four wheels. It as a chassis.
1:12:34
Speaker 3: But as far as the design of it goes, let.
1:12:37
Speaker 4: Someone else dissect your script too, like it's funny, Like
1:12:39
Speaker 4: I I one of my short films was made by
1:12:43
Speaker 4: a group and inductional film students and they actually found
1:12:47
Speaker 4: me on a website and they were like hey, you know,
1:12:49
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, I'm in the area. And They're like, oh,
1:12:51
Speaker 4: would you like to come in and talk to the
1:12:52
Speaker 4: like the class because they would love to have you.
1:12:53
Speaker 4: I was like, oh shit, like yeah, it'd be great,
1:12:55
Speaker 4: Like I'd be happy with you. So I went in
1:12:56
Speaker 4: and I talked to this it's full big class to students,
1:13:00
Speaker 4: and they're just like bigging apart. My script looks right
1:13:02
Speaker 4: and like and it's as far as like dissecting, like
1:13:04
Speaker 4: asking questions and they're like, well, what did you mean
1:13:06
Speaker 4: by this? And what do you mean by that? And
1:13:07
Speaker 4: I was like I don't know. I was freaking drunk
1:13:09
Speaker 4: and high when I wrote that like I don't know
1:13:11
Speaker 4: what I like, Oh, I meant it like like you
1:13:14
Speaker 4: just like looked in into it as much as you know,
1:13:16
Speaker 4: like you wanted to look into it, you know, and
1:13:18
Speaker 4: like and people it's so it's easy to do and
1:13:20
Speaker 4: somebody's like you don't even realize there's right that you're
1:13:22
Speaker 4: doing that, and like best to let someone else, like
1:13:25
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, let someone else pick it up heart
1:13:27
Speaker 4: and and and get game meaning from it. You don't
1:13:29
Speaker 4: have to do that, just just right drunk and high.
1:13:33
Speaker 3: Huh.
1:13:33
Speaker 4: At the time. At the time, what what script was
1:13:35
Speaker 4: I read? I don't think it did Actually that was
1:13:38
Speaker 4: my It was like reparations or something that was like
1:13:41
Speaker 4: it's about it's like a interracial, uh gay couple during
1:13:49
Speaker 4: the posts Civil War. It was like, yeah, this is
1:13:53
Speaker 4: really common, not that good to be honest. And I'll
1:13:55
Speaker 4: see the film was filmed but never saw the Lighted Day.
1:13:58
Speaker 3: I don't know.
1:13:59
Speaker 4: I don't know if the director availed the glass or what,
1:14:01
Speaker 4: but like they hit filmed, like it was a significant
1:14:03
Speaker 4: budget too for the film too, and like me, how
1:14:05
Speaker 4: much I want to say it was about like grand
1:14:09
Speaker 4: WILLI will, Yeah, that's seriously like a kickstarter and they
1:14:13
Speaker 4: have people invest in it and like, and I never
1:14:15
Speaker 4: saw any of the footage of it. I was like
1:14:17
Speaker 4: really bummed out about it too.
1:14:18
Speaker 3: So I do remember when House Horrors got picked up
1:14:21
Speaker 3: by that podcast and they actually had a life. Yeah
1:14:23
Speaker 3: that was cool.
1:14:24
Speaker 4: I actually had to take that script down because I'm like,
1:14:27
Speaker 4: now that I'm opening up my own business, like, sure,
1:14:30
Speaker 4: what this out in the world?
1:14:31
Speaker 3: And that did you guys take down that podcast too?
1:14:34
Speaker 4: I you know, I don't know if I did. I
1:14:35
Speaker 4: should get on that. It's something I know because I
1:14:38
Speaker 4: asked them to make some changes to that, and like
1:14:40
Speaker 4: then I think as a writer, you progress and that
1:14:41
Speaker 4: you're definitely looking back of it, like it's just not
1:14:44
Speaker 4: like a script that I and so I enjoyed, but
1:14:46
Speaker 4: there's some smaller details. I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't have
1:14:49
Speaker 4: written that now, you know, like things things change, culture changes,
1:14:52
Speaker 4: I change, you know, like you evolved.
1:14:54
Speaker 3: Well, everyone's going a linked on the show notes, So
1:14:56
Speaker 3: listen to that as quickly as you can, so will
1:14:58
Speaker 3: will before will get that taken because that's censored.
1:15:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, you actually listen to the script, like,
1:15:03
Speaker 4: I still have a fun die with it. I just
1:15:05
Speaker 4: you know, I just don't think. I don't think a
1:15:07
Speaker 4: lot of people would understand my either. A few more
1:15:10
Speaker 4: like what the movies I like to go see, and
1:15:11
Speaker 4: it's like I think.
1:15:13
Speaker 3: I think it's it shines through honestly. I mean, you're
1:15:16
Speaker 3: talking about the guy who had a script called Slay
1:15:19
Speaker 3: the Gay Away, which was a a which was a
1:15:21
Speaker 3: another satire script about you know, a slash r to
1:15:25
Speaker 3: pray the game.
1:15:26
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a lot of times like and
1:15:27
Speaker 4: I've done it too, where like I want the satire
1:15:30
Speaker 4: to come through and I'm not necessarily not necessarily sure
1:15:32
Speaker 4: if it did, you know, And that's you know, yeah,
1:15:35
Speaker 4: you see it a certain way, but how it's interpreted
1:15:37
Speaker 4: it can be different and completely opposite of how you
1:15:39
Speaker 4: meant it to be. So, you know, like and I
1:15:41
Speaker 4: think they have to be very mindful of of that.
1:15:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very true. Well, very true, which
1:15:46
Speaker 3: is why you know, likes competitions. I think too, they're
1:15:50
Speaker 3: looking for certain scripts because like certain scripts I would
1:15:53
Speaker 3: never send other ones. I made that mistake one time.
1:15:56
Speaker 3: I actually sent a horror script that I wrote, but
1:15:58
Speaker 3: it was like a comedy horror into one of those
1:16:01
Speaker 3: competitions and actually they teed off on poor bullets man.
1:16:05
Speaker 4: They were actually went.
1:16:06
Speaker 3: I cried for days.
1:16:08
Speaker 4: I went to I E. Submitted a screenplay to one
1:16:11
Speaker 4: of those film horror film festivals as well, didn't even
1:16:14
Speaker 4: make it through like the first round. And then I
1:16:16
Speaker 4: went to a movie when I was in LA I
1:16:17
Speaker 4: actually went to their like film festival and saw like
1:16:20
Speaker 4: the top movie that had won for them, and it
1:16:22
Speaker 4: was garbage. It was like terrible. It was like I
1:16:24
Speaker 4: actually it was like even like an aesthetical level, it
1:16:27
Speaker 4: was so loud and so like the noise was so
1:16:29
Speaker 4: like it was just constant, like shrieking. I walked away
1:16:31
Speaker 4: with a migraine afterwards, Like this is like so insulting
1:16:35
Speaker 4: on several levels, Like so yeah, you know, the hell
1:16:37
Speaker 4: with it? You know, like they want to find what
1:16:39
Speaker 4: they want, and if you try to be different or crazier,
1:16:42
Speaker 4: like especially my writing, I like to kind of push
1:16:44
Speaker 4: the envelope a little bit. You know, people don't that's
1:16:47
Speaker 4: not gonna bode.
1:16:49
Speaker 3: Well, well, I think. I think That's why I always
1:16:51
Speaker 3: tell people got to pick and choose what contest you went,
1:16:53
Speaker 3: because that feed no matter what is an expense sixty years, Yeah,
1:16:58
Speaker 3: it does.
1:16:58
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.
1:16:58
Speaker 3: So that's why when whenever I hear somebody say, well
1:17:00
Speaker 3: I got this one script, and when I enter in
1:17:02
Speaker 3: these ten competitions, and I'm like, don't, don't, don't think
1:17:06
Speaker 3: thinks smaller, smaller, less is more. And because I know
1:17:10
Speaker 3: a girl who won like seventeen competitions and it never
1:17:12
Speaker 3: got her job. It was just her network.
1:17:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very true, very true. Networking.
1:17:19
Speaker 4: It's hard, I mean said, streamlinks just a whole different
1:17:21
Speaker 4: bear of jar. But luckily with the Internet, like I said,
1:17:23
Speaker 4: you don't have to be in La, which is awesome.
1:17:25
Speaker 4: Like I said, you can be here and write in
1:17:27
Speaker 4: the next Award Rings screenplay. And that's that's what's so
1:17:30
Speaker 4: awesome about the Internet. And that's even that's where the
1:17:32
Speaker 4: film issue is changing so much, because you don't have
1:17:34
Speaker 4: to beat in La anymore, which is what I tell everyone.
1:17:37
Speaker 4: Don't you don't have to be there. Don't have to
1:17:38
Speaker 4: be there Atlanta, You're neck. Go to Atlanta. You know
1:17:40
Speaker 4: they're filming tons of shit there. Walk dead all the
1:17:43
Speaker 4: marvel fields and go to Atlanta. You know, like, don't like,
1:17:47
Speaker 4: don't you don't have to be there?
1:17:48
Speaker 3: Well, I want to tell I want to take guys
1:17:49
Speaker 3: a vot to confidence will that I'm going to write
1:17:51
Speaker 3: my Aword winning screenplay for here in Philadelphia. That yeah,
1:17:56
Speaker 3: aid on the mat. Well. I remember when we were
1:17:59
Speaker 3: doing Game Over. I was we got in the paper,
1:18:01
Speaker 3: we got a bunch of different papers and websites and
1:18:03
Speaker 3: this and that. The amount of people I had bugging
1:18:06
Speaker 3: me for shit was unreal. And I still have people
1:18:09
Speaker 3: coming to me, you know, from time to time about
1:18:10
Speaker 3: this podcast. Yeah, not in a bad way because all
1:18:13
Speaker 3: these people who who tune in, I love you all,
1:18:15
Speaker 3: but I know we're like people who like message me
1:18:18
Speaker 3: and they're like saying shit, like hey, Dave, can you
1:18:20
Speaker 3: get this producer to come talk to me? I had
1:18:22
Speaker 3: caziin Ovis on here, who did Dallas Buyers Club. He's
1:18:25
Speaker 3: an A list producer, and they're like, hey, can we
1:18:27
Speaker 3: pitch him something cause I get his contact info. Oh
1:18:29
Speaker 3: yeah sure. I've built up all these relationships just to
1:18:31
Speaker 3: give him to you guy.
1:18:32
Speaker 4: Why not? And that's like peoplen't understand like how relationships
1:18:35
Speaker 4: are working. And some relationships, and especially this as an
1:18:38
Speaker 4: Asian like are very new and very fresh and like
1:18:41
Speaker 4: you know, like you don't want to test that like
1:18:44
Speaker 4: a relationship.
1:18:45
Speaker 3: Just yeah, like you can't remember that one guy who
1:18:48
Speaker 3: I won't name, who we always were talking about that
1:18:50
Speaker 3: he always seemed like a very needy person. Here I'm
1:18:52
Speaker 3: gonna mouth this name to you. Oh yeah, and let
1:19:00
Speaker 3: me tell you man, you know.
1:19:01
Speaker 4: Like but also like I can as an agent, you
1:19:04
Speaker 4: can sense someone being fake from a mile away. And
1:19:07
Speaker 4: I hate it about it. It's the worst part of
1:19:09
Speaker 4: my job is when people are just like you know
1:19:10
Speaker 4: that they just want something out of you, and yeah,
1:19:13
Speaker 4: it reeks, like it's just it's like the stench of
1:19:16
Speaker 4: just like of uh, just neediness and just like and
1:19:21
Speaker 4: it's just it's disingenuous. Like I tell people all the time,
1:19:23
Speaker 4: like like and if people come up to be like
1:19:25
Speaker 4: well like oh you know, like like hey, I'm you know,
1:19:27
Speaker 4: I'm an actor, and like let's just sit down and
1:19:30
Speaker 4: have a beer and let's let's be friends. I want
1:19:31
Speaker 4: to continue we won't talk about the industry, but let's
1:19:33
Speaker 4: just chill out and be friends. Like no, I don't
1:19:35
Speaker 4: want to be your friend. I got enough friends. Like
1:19:37
Speaker 4: if you came to me, it was like, well, I
1:19:38
Speaker 4: want to pick your brain about you know, acting, your modeling,
1:19:42
Speaker 4: let me buy you a beer and let me kiss
1:19:43
Speaker 4: your ass for like an hour. I'd be like, thanks
1:19:45
Speaker 4: for saying that, absolutely, you know, like i'd be happy.
1:19:48
Speaker 3: That's how I got you in this podcast. I lured
1:19:52
Speaker 3: you of cheese steaks and as kissing.
1:19:54
Speaker 4: I'm like, but it's just so easy, and I feel
1:19:56
Speaker 4: like you don't need to pretend to.
1:19:58
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1:20:09
Speaker 4: Someone you're not you know, you don't like there's enough
1:20:13
Speaker 4: people being fake and disingenuous in the world right now.
1:20:15
Speaker 4: You can just be real and honest with people, and
1:20:17
Speaker 4: it's really refreshing to dig here that in any profession,
1:20:19
Speaker 4: you know, like just like cut through the bullshit, through
1:20:22
Speaker 4: the bullshit will ball.
1:20:24
Speaker 3: Yes, I think we're bad at a time.
1:20:27
Speaker 4: Oh no, thank you so much for having me. This
1:20:29
Speaker 4: has been a lot of fun.
1:20:30
Speaker 2: I know.
1:20:30
Speaker 3: I hate to we keep talking about we have a
1:20:33
Speaker 3: lot to edit. Yeh no, no, no, well I'm just
1:20:35
Speaker 3: saying we're just about out of time. Okay, where can
1:20:37
Speaker 3: weople find you out online?
1:20:38
Speaker 4: Yeah?
1:20:39
Speaker 3: So, because I think it was a good spot to
1:20:40
Speaker 3: end it. By the way, I think just be seriously yeah.
1:20:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can go to my website viagency dot com.
1:20:47
Speaker 4: It is a temporary website up right now. I'm pretty
1:20:50
Speaker 4: sume that will be replaced by a much more professional
1:20:52
Speaker 4: looking website. You can just eat something. Email Will at
1:20:55
Speaker 4: viagency dot com and find us on Snapchat, on Instagram
1:20:59
Speaker 4: at vi agc, or you can just send me on
1:21:02
Speaker 4: Instagram as well. I'm just Willy Butts bu ttz. My
1:21:06
Speaker 4: dadd used always call me Willy Butts. So the w
1:21:08
Speaker 4: I L I E b U t t Z. So, yeah,
1:21:10
Speaker 4: I follow me on three I'm say hello, I'd be
1:21:12
Speaker 4: happy to say and give any advice to that.
1:21:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll link to all will of Will's contacts
1:21:18
Speaker 3: as a show notes. I no problem, buddy, and I
1:21:20
Speaker 3: always I said right now, I also linked to all
1:21:22
Speaker 3: your show notes or sorry, all your social media channels
1:21:26
Speaker 3: because I was, you know, obviously this promoting this upcoming appearance.
1:21:30
Speaker 3: Questions did come in. I think we got to a
1:21:32
Speaker 3: lot of them. That's usually what happens. Usually in the
1:21:35
Speaker 3: course of conversation there was these questions get answered unless
1:21:38
Speaker 3: it's something completely outlandish, like the first question for Casian
1:21:42
Speaker 3: was how can I pitch you? And I was like,
1:21:43
Speaker 3: and I told him, I said, and he's like, you know,
1:21:45
Speaker 3: let's just ask it. And I said, all right, and
1:21:47
Speaker 3: I asked him at and he goes, if you're really good,
1:21:49
Speaker 3: he goes, you'll know how to pitch me. That was
1:21:51
Speaker 3: how he answered it. And I thought that was so
1:21:53
Speaker 3: such a cool way to answer, because I was like, well,
1:21:56
Speaker 3: I got his contacted for now. No, I'm just kidding.
1:21:57
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. But but yeah, it's just it's just
1:22:01
Speaker 3: funny stuff. Yeah, Willie Buttsy, thank you so much.
1:22:04
Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
1:22:05
Speaker 3: It's been it's been a year and a half too long.
1:22:07
Speaker 3: Too long. You gotta come back on some time when
1:22:10
Speaker 3: you're when you're when you're rich and famous and and
1:22:12
Speaker 3: I really have to like kiss your asked.
1:22:16
Speaker 2: Me.
1:22:17
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna be I'm gonna be living in like
1:22:20
Speaker 3: a street, some corner or something. I'm gonna be that
1:22:22
Speaker 3: guy on the street begging for change. I need money,
1:22:26
Speaker 3: like that guy as homeless guy. And that's how I
1:22:31
Speaker 3: put Aden on the map. Willy Butts, thanks a lot, man,
1:22:34
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.
1:22:36
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1:22:37
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