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The Kenny Report | 19 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Australia abandons Israel and Israel strikes back as it's revealed
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  Speaker 2: the Albanezy government objects to a politician wanting to eliminate
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  Speaker 2: hummus Day one of the Economic Reform Roundtable. How much
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  Speaker 2: is theater and can any good come from it? Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: the Peacemaker, The signs are promising after a big day
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  Speaker 2: of meetings in the White House. All that plus AFL
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  Speaker 2: hypocrisy on sexism and homophobia in a terrific panel with
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  Speaker 2: Susi O'Brien and Caroline.
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  Speaker 1: Drusso, let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to face the grim reality that the country
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  Speaker 2: we live in, the country that far too many have
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  Speaker 2: fought and died for, the country that stands up for freedom,
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  Speaker 2: democracy and the rule of law, is changing under our
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  Speaker 2: feet because of the weakness and ideological obsesse of.
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  Speaker 1: The Albanesi Labor government.
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  Speaker 2: Where we were strong, we are now choosing to be weak.
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  Speaker 2: Where we've shown strong values, we're now caving into the extremists.
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  Speaker 2: Where we supported humanity, we now take decisions that expose
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  Speaker 2: people to risk that gladden the hearts of hateful, murderous jihadists.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's abandoning of Israel is shameful. The way the government
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  Speaker 2: is giving sukka to hum Us and other Islamist extremists
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  Speaker 2: is sickening. It is also reckless and dangerous, not only
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  Speaker 2: for Israel, but for the world and for our own
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  Speaker 2: domestic security. The latest terrible decision by the Albanezi government
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  Speaker 2: was the blocking of a visa for Israeli MP Simcha
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  Speaker 2: Rothman yesterday the news we brought to.
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  Speaker 1: You last night. They have deemed him divisive.
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  Speaker 2: Documents obtained by the Australian newspaper reveal one of the
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  Speaker 2: supposedly divisive comments used to justify this ban is Rothman
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  Speaker 2: declaring that Hummas must be eliminated, and the Immigration Minister
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  Speaker 2: Tony Burke says the politician has been blocked partly because
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  Speaker 2: his visit might risk the good order of our Muslim community. Really,
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  Speaker 2: this is how low this nation has sunk. We ban
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  Speaker 2: an elected MP from a liberal democratic nation, a nation
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  Speaker 2: we are supposed to be a friend and ally to,
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  Speaker 2: because because of his opposition to a murderous terrorist organization
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that it might upset who radical Islamists
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  Speaker 2: in our own country.
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  Speaker 1: This is difficult to believe.
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  Speaker 2: And it means that what our longest serving foreign minister
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  Speaker 2: a Man I was proud to work for Alexander Downer.
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  Speaker 2: It means that what he said last week about Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian recognition is more true than any of us dared
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  Speaker 2: to imagine.
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  Speaker 3: This is a huge change in Australia's historic position in
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  Speaker 3: foreign policy. We've gone from supporting a liberal democratic country
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  Speaker 3: under siege from a terrorist organization and opposing that terrorist organization,
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  Speaker 3: to supporting the terrorist organization and opposing the liberal democratic state.
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  Speaker 3: This is an extraordinary thing for Australia to have done.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think in a way it is the
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  Speaker 3: worst foreign policy decision Australia has made since the Second World.
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  Speaker 2: War, the worst decision since the war. Yeah, and the
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  Speaker 2: Israelian p himself, simpsche Rothman, was absolutely clear and right
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  Speaker 2: when he spoke to Sherry markson last night.
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  Speaker 4: Those views are accepted by high passed resolutions in the Knesset,
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  Speaker 4: with two thirds of the consset approving those ideas.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not.
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  Speaker 4: Against me, it's against the State of Israel and actually
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  Speaker 4: against the Jewish people as I.
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  Speaker 2: Seed yeah, wanting to eliminate Hamas is sensible and mainstream.
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  Speaker 2: Brothmun also called out the rank hypocrisy of an Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: government that louded the anti Israeli and pro Palestinian protest
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  Speaker 2: on the Sydney Harbor Bridge the other weeker, protest that
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  Speaker 2: saw Islamist hate preachers and socialist revolutionary radicals joined by
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  Speaker 2: Labor MPs and even a former Labor Foreign Minister.
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  Speaker 4: I saw many people in Australia chanting in the streets
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  Speaker 4: from the river to the sea, Palestine would be free.
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  Speaker 4: I would think this is a message of hate and
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  Speaker 4: division that called for the destruction of the state of
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  Speaker 4: Israel and therefore actually for genocide of Jews.
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  Speaker 3: That's a message of hate.
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  Speaker 4: And distry direction. I did not see the Government of
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  Speaker 4: Australia doing anything against those.
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  Speaker 2: Messages, banning opponents of Hummas. Look, I want to see
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  Speaker 2: the destruction of Hummas. Anyone who knows anything about Hummas
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  Speaker 2: wants it eliminated. That's the only way to protect Israel
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  Speaker 2: and to liberate the people of Gaza. Israel has hit
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  Speaker 2: back at Australia today, revoking the visas of Australian officials
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  Speaker 2: dealing with the Palestinian authority in Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Good on them.
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  Speaker 2: Australia is behaving appallingly and no self respecting nation would
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  Speaker 2: fail to retaliate.
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  Speaker 1: As I've said for almost two years now, all.
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  Speaker 2: Of this unfounded criticism of Israel by Alban EASi Wong
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  Speaker 2: and their labor mates only fuels anti Semitism and hatred
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: They've been playing with fire.
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  Speaker 2: They keep saying they oppose ants Semitism, yet their demonization
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  Speaker 2: of Israel and their repetition of Hummus propaganda adds to
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  Speaker 2: the lies and the hatred. We need to remember, of course,
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  Speaker 2: that our Prime Minister is a member of the socialist
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  Speaker 2: left faction. The Foreign Minister too is a member of
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  Speaker 2: the socialist Left. They have both been hard line hard
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  Speaker 2: left activists since university days, and they've covered themselves in
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  Speaker 2: the veneer of moderation to get elected and stay in power.
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  Speaker 1: But on the Middle East we've.
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  Speaker 2: Gradually seen their real radical leftist ideology come to the fore,
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  Speaker 2: and it's ugly, damaging and dangerous for this country. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: the current terror alert in this country is probable and
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  Speaker 2: the greatest terror threat here is from Islamist extremism, the
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  Speaker 2: sorts of extremists who share the motives and aims of
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  Speaker 2: Hummus and their hardest supporters. As a nation, we should
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  Speaker 2: be unequivocal in our opposition to hum Us and supportive
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  Speaker 2: of politicians committed to their elimination. Instead, our government bans
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  Speaker 2: an elected representative who stands.
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  Speaker 1: Up to the terrorists.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Foreign Minister's statement on
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  Speaker 2: all of this. Penny Wong says the Net and Yahoo
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  Speaker 2: government is isolating Israel and undermining international efforts towards peace
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  Speaker 2: and a two state solution.
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  Speaker 1: Nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Australia is trying to isolate Israel along with other countries,
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  Speaker 2: and the two state solution has never been so far
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  Speaker 2: away thanks to hum Us. Wong says Israel's reaction was
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  Speaker 2: unjustified when clearly Israel had to respond to Australia's vow
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  Speaker 2: to recognize a non existent Palestinian state and banning a
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  Speaker 2: series of mainstream Israeli visitors, including elected officials, while also
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  Speaker 2: said Australia's working towards cease fire and the release of
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  Speaker 2: hostages when all the moves in that direction have only
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  Speaker 2: come about because of Israel's military response. Not glib words
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  Speaker 2: from Wong and her mates. Penniwong also says the government
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  Speaker 2: safeguards Australians from hate and harm.
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  Speaker 1: Yet Islamist hate.
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  Speaker 2: Preachers have celebrated slaughter and demonized Jews repeatedly over the
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  Speaker 2: past two years without any government action, and Wong pathetically
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  Speaker 2: claims the government takes decisive action against anti Semitism when
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  Speaker 2: all they've done is stand by and watch and feed
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  Speaker 2: the fire with their own anti Israeli words and actions. Australia,
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  Speaker 2: under a labor government, was the first country to vote
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  Speaker 2: on the United Nations Resolution to establish Israel way back
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven. How the worm has turned. Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: and Wong have turned on Israel. Relations have never been
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  Speaker 2: so sour, with a tit for tat diplomatic fight now
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  Speaker 2: raging while Israel defends itself from Jihadis in a brutal war.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of helping Israel defend itself in the only way
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  Speaker 2: that can ever deliver peace for the Palestinian people, Australia
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  Speaker 2: is colluding with the Palestinian authority who are pretending that
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  Speaker 2: their witches brew of warring Islamist extremist factions can actually
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  Speaker 2: run a peaceful new nation. It is delusional, but it's
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  Speaker 2: all so dangerous, and it shows just how quickly a
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  Speaker 2: national government can make this country less reliable, less committed
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  Speaker 2: to its traditional values, less supportive of democracy and sovereign rights,
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  Speaker 2: and crucially less secure. Now Here, the economy is stagnating,
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  Speaker 2: our productivity is sinking ever backwards, and we are poorer
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  Speaker 2: as individuals.
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  Speaker 1: Than we were. When Labor first won office.
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  Speaker 2: Three years ago, the budget had five minutes of sunshine
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  Speaker 2: in surplus. But now with Labour's unprecedented increase in government spending,
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  Speaker 2: the deficits stretch endlessly to the horizon.
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  Speaker 1: So we need reform, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like we got with the Labor Bob Hawk and Paul
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  Speaker 2: Keating coupling, and also later with John Howard and Peter Costello.
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  Speaker 2: But Anthony Alberanizi and Jim Chalmers, well they got nothing.
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  Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister and his Treasurer called their chosen
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  Speaker 2: representatives together.
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  Speaker 1: Today for some ideas.
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  Speaker 2: They came from business, industry, government agencies, think tanks, community
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  Speaker 2: groups and unions. Lots of unionists, way too many unionists
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  Speaker 2: to put on a sort of a kobuki theater pretending
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  Speaker 2: the government was willing to cobble together an economic reform agenda.
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  Speaker 2: I mean this mob were only elected three months ago.
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  Speaker 2: We might have expected them to take an agenda.
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  Speaker 1: To the election. No, listen to the Treasurer this morning.
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  Speaker 2: He just wants everyone to understand how hard it is
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  Speaker 2: to run a country, and he makes an astonishing admission.
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  Speaker 5: We chose it because we want you all to grapple
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  Speaker 5: with the same sorts of issues and trade offs and
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  Speaker 5: opportunity costs that we grapple with every week, or almost
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  Speaker 5: every week in this room, in the Cabinet, in the
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  Speaker 5: Expenditure Review Committee and the other committees of the Cabinet.
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  Speaker 5: And we also chose this room because at one of
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  Speaker 5: the first cabinet meetings after the May three election, we
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  Speaker 5: decided collectively to put a more productive economy really at
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  Speaker 5: the core of our second term agenda.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it. They got re elected telling us
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  Speaker 2: they had a plan. Then they sat down in the
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  Speaker 2: cabinet room for the first time after the reelection and
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  Speaker 2: they decided they might do might need to do something.
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  Speaker 2: They came up with the need for an agenda after
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  Speaker 2: the election. Look, they know what tax changes they want
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  Speaker 2: and what net zero plans they'll get out of this roundtable.
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  Speaker 1: It's all been worked up beforehand, of course.
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  Speaker 2: And if you wonder just how out of touch and
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  Speaker 2: delusional the government could be on our energy crisis, that
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  Speaker 2: is our soaring prices and our unreliable supplies of electricity,
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  Speaker 2: we'll have a listen to the PM.
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  Speaker 6: My government is also, i think defined by optimism.
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  Speaker 7: There's nowhere in.
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  Speaker 6: The world you'd rather be than Australia with the natural
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  Speaker 6: advantages that we have the access to the best soul
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  Speaker 6: of resources in the world and one of the best
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  Speaker 6: wind resources.
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  Speaker 2: Our natural advantages sunshine and wind really apm. Every country
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  Speaker 2: has sunshine and wind at varying levels at varying times.
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  Speaker 2: What we are lucky to have is coal and gas
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  Speaker 2: and uranium. That's our natural advantage. Such an advantage that
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  Speaker 2: countries like China, India, Korea, Japan and others power themselves
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  Speaker 2: on our coal and our gas and our uranium. But
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  Speaker 2: our Venezian charmers don't want us to use this stuff here.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather we have expensive and unreliable energy and pretend
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  Speaker 2: that we can save the planet. If you do not
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  Speaker 2: end this energy madness, then you will never resurrect our economy.
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  Speaker 2: Fixing energy should be top of the agenda. It speaks
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  Speaker 2: volumes about this economic roundtable that the most incisive commentary
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  Speaker 2: has come from a very funny cartoon. Mark Knight in
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  Speaker 2: the Herald Sun has the knots of the round table,
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  Speaker 2: not his namesake, the Knights, but the knots of the roundtable,
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  Speaker 2: with Albo saying there will not be any real tax reform,
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  Speaker 2: charmers saying they will not cut spending, the unions not
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  Speaker 2: backing down on their four day working week madness, and
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  Speaker 2: best of all, the Victorian government not here because they're
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  Speaker 2: working from home. And as for the rest of us,
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  Speaker 2: we're not hopeful. Great cartoon there from Mark Knight. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: they should have had cartoonists at the roundtable for some
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  Speaker 2: home truths. Unless you have a plan to cut government
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  Speaker 2: spending and reduce power prices, you are just not serious.
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  Speaker 2: This exercise does not appear to be serious. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: to Jerusalem now and bring in Gerald Steinberg, the professor
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  Speaker 2: of politics at Bar Alarm University jeral Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 2: us again at short notice this move by Australia to
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  Speaker 2: bar an elected MP from your kanesset from coming here
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  Speaker 2: because he argues for the elimination of Hamas and the
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  Speaker 2: response by Israel to ban some of our diplomats. So
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  Speaker 2: this is the worst the Australia Israel relation has ever
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  Speaker 2: been in, isn't it?
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  Speaker 8: It's pretty bad. My question is that I'm asking you
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  Speaker 8: in Australians, is why the government, why your Prime Minister
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  Speaker 8: Anthony Albanisi, why your Foreign Minister Penny Wong chose to
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  Speaker 8: put a visa ban on Simpler Rotman. It reminds me
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  Speaker 8: of what was done with Hillel Fuld, my former student
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  Speaker 8: and an AI and computer expert in Israel, who was
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  Speaker 8: banned from visiting Australia and actually helping to develop business
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  Speaker 8: ties in the high tech area between Australia and Israel.
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  Speaker 8: He was also denied of visa on very flimsy political grounds.
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  Speaker 8: Somebody is giving them very bad advice. I don't think
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  Speaker 8: that either Albanisi or Wong or paying attention to the
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  Speaker 8: day to day activities of Israeli politicians. He's not simple.
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  Speaker 8: Rtman is not a minister, he's not in the cabinet.
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  Speaker 8: He is the head of a committee and he is
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  Speaker 8: very He's like other Israeli MPs. He's an elected member
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  Speaker 8: of the Israeli Parliament and he was invited to speak
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  Speaker 8: to the Jewish community and to pride support have that
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  Speaker 8: horrendous march we saw in Sydney. It's just a few
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  Speaker 8: days ago and some of the other attacks and antisemitism,
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  Speaker 8: and the government banned him. So somebody is giving him
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  Speaker 8: giving them very bad advice. Well that needs to be
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  Speaker 8: a question.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not get let them off the hook for bad advice,
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  Speaker 2: because they ought to know about enough about this not
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  Speaker 2: to make these appalling decisions. There's been a pattern here,
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  Speaker 2: as you allude to, there's been three or four other
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  Speaker 2: reasonable people from Israel banned from this country. But this
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  Speaker 2: is especially agreedous because simp Cha Roffman is an elected
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  Speaker 2: official and he's been criticized for his message against Hamas
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  Speaker 2: and as he told my colleague Scharry marxm last night,
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  Speaker 2: the government seems to get the import of these She
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  Speaker 2: says the wrong way around.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Simpter Rothman a message.
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  Speaker 4: That says that Tamas is bad, that Israel is good.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone who watched the videos from October seventh should not
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  Speaker 4: call this message a hat and hate or division that's reality,
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  Speaker 4: that's truth, that common sense, not hate, not division.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's horrible to see this unfolded.
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  Speaker 2: Gerald explain to me this though, it seems to me
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  Speaker 2: that our government, like so many of the radical protesters
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  Speaker 2: around the world, seem to equate hum Us with the
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  Speaker 2: legitimate aspirations for a sovereign state. Sometime of the Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: people tell us how these two things are actually quite different.
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  Speaker 8: They're entirely separated. It's like one hundred and eighty degrees
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  Speaker 8: polar opposites. If we're going to have a Palestinian state,
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  Speaker 8: and let's remember historically there's never been a state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 8: When Palestinian Arabs were given the opportunity in nineteen forty
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  Speaker 8: eight forty seven to establish a state next to the
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  Speaker 8: Jewish State of Palestinian Jewish State of Israel, they all
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  Speaker 8: said no, and they invaded, and they're still trying to
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  Speaker 8: destroy Israel. Commas is a continuation of that. The very
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  Speaker 8: explicit goal of Kammas is to wipe Israel off the map.
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  Speaker 8: That's what they were planning to do, tried to do,
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  Speaker 8: try to initiate on October seventh, not just by killing
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  Speaker 8: and slaughtering, raping, destroying families, all the absolutely horror things
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  Speaker 8: they did on October seventh. The goal there was to
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  Speaker 8: ignite a Middle East war with Iran, with Balad joining
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  Speaker 8: in against Israel to wipe Israel Afla mapp. Nothing's changed
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  Speaker 8: since nineteen forty eight when the Palestinian Arab leadership wanted
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  Speaker 8: to do that and failed. So if you want to
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  Speaker 8: have and you think that there's a I call it
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  Speaker 8: a myth or an imagined two state peace solution, you
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  Speaker 8: certainly don't want to have these kinds of leaders represented
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  Speaker 8: by hamas is the people who are calling the shots,
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  Speaker 8: and that's what we're going to have.
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  Speaker 9: If the plans, if the perspective, if the very warped
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  Speaker 9: political you call it, I think kabuki theater that we're
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  Speaker 9: hearing from the Australian government, and frankly we're hearing.
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  Speaker 8: The same thing from Macron. I think mcarn is more
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  Speaker 8: cynical in France or Kiir Starmer in Britain. It's not
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  Speaker 8: clear to me who's leading. Is the Australian government Albanisi
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  Speaker 8: and while are they leading and are the others following
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  Speaker 8: or is it the other way around? My sense is
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  Speaker 8: the other way around.
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  Speaker 1: I think so Hughes exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They are following France and Britain and the leftist in
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  Speaker 2: Europe and it's frightening and ugly to see it unfold.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us again about it, Gerald, I
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Gerald Steinberg there, who's the young professor of
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  Speaker 2: politics at Barb Alam University in Jerusalem. Now let's return
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  Speaker 2: to that economic roundtable, and one polie who decided to
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  Speaker 2: skip it. Nationals leader David little Proud joins me from
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney CBD.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, David.
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  Speaker 2: I was astonished at his opening remarks today, as I
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  Speaker 2: showed at the top of the program, when Jim Chalmers
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  Speaker 2: says they got re elected this mob after a full
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  Speaker 2: election campaign and saying they had a plan for the country,
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  Speaker 2: and at the first meeting of cabinet they sat down
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  Speaker 2: and decided that actually productivity is a problem, the economy
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  Speaker 2: is a problem.
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  Speaker 1: We need to come up with a plan. Shouldn't they
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  Speaker 1: have taken a plan to the election.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, this is a government that's out of ideas and
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  Speaker 10: they're trying to call on twenty three well heiled austraints.
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  Speaker 10: All successful their right, I grant you that, but if
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  Speaker 10: they're not going to tackle the real fundamentals, so that
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  Speaker 10: the RBA governor called out last week when she dropped
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  Speaker 10: interest rates by twenty five basis points in saying that
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  Speaker 10: our productivity has dropped. Now, what productivity is is your
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  Speaker 10: standard of living. That's the plain speaking definition of it.
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  Speaker 10: And what that means is is in what she said
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  Speaker 10: there is that a lot of the cost of living
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  Speaker 10: crisis that we've endured for the last three years is
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  Speaker 10: baked in. And while we might see the continued explosion
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  Speaker 10: as we did in those costs over the last three years,
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  Speaker 10: they're going to continue to go up. That means your
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  Speaker 10: energy bill. Energy is the economy and unless we're prepared
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  Speaker 10: to lean in and to face up to the fundamentals
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  Speaker 10: that an all renewables approach will not work. In fact,
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: just as Spain and Portugal how that goes. When they're
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: at seventy seven percent renewables, they can't keep an economy going.
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: And it's also about not just looking at how we
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: can tax people more. It's about our expenditure. We need
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: to look at the other side of the ledger. And
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: when she says that our work output units are at
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: full capacity, she's talking about you and I working in
• 21:37
  Speaker 10: the economy. But what's happened is government keeps spending and
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: they're out competing the private sector to be able to
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: grow the pie. And so this is where we've got
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: to have honest conversations, not just about energy, but also
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: about expenditure and the big ticket items like NDIS. We're
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: going to have to get back to first principles. If
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: we want to have a sustainable ENDIS and what it
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: was first originally designed, which is the most vulnerable, then
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: we're going to have to have that tough conversation as
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: political leaders, and we don't need to bring people to
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: a room to do that. We can look at the
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: legend now and know that we're in trouble.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Let me jump in on a couple of those points.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: One of them is energy.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: We know one of the so called outcomes, it's predetermined
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of this summit will be to get rid of some
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: of the planning hurdles and encumbrances on the renewables rollout
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and the transmission rollout. So they're actually just going to
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: finally try and allow projects to go ahead quickly, but
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: only renewable energy ones. Don't worry if you're trying to
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: get a mind going or as some other sort of industry.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You won't get any help, so they're just.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Going to double down on the existing transition.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Plan, which is already a disaster and only going to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: get worse.
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: You should see that every quarter. Every quarter you open
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: up your energy bill, you should see Albanezi's face and
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: Chris Bowen's face on it, because this ideology you are
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: paying for. But just understand what people in rural Australia
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: are paying. They're paying the brutal price of their farms
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: being torn up, their productivity being taken away, your food
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: security being taken away, and even the natural environment being destroyed.
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: And I've actually seen not just communities torn apart by
• 23:15
  Speaker 10: these projects. I've seen families torn apart. There's a human
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: told of this.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to follow up some of those issues in
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: a moment, so we do with the Farmers Federation. Sorry,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: just while I got time, David. Just you mentioned d
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and this is very difficult for an opposition, the political party.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: But in the end, the ndis we all agree with
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the aims that is helping the most vulnerable, but it
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: is not going to be a sustainable scheme and the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: government is not going to get control of its budget
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: until they start knocking off the making the eligilib eligibility
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit more strenuous.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: There are people.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: You can't have one in six young boys getting funding
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: from the NDIS.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: That is not what it was designed to do. The
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: country can't afford.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: That spot I made and I'm prepared to have that
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: conversation with the Australian people.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a tough one.
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: But as leaders of this country that have been given
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: a privilege to go to our Parliament, we have a
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: responsibility to do that, to have that tough conversation and
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: re look at that eligibility because I think it's gotten
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: away from the original intent of what it was designed
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: to do. And that's the tough conversations I think should
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: be coming out of this because we can't sustain this,
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: and it's taking a whole lot of resource, that work
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: output unit, the human capital out of the private sector
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: and into the NDIS and making it harder for us
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: to grow the economic pie. I'm not an economists, mate,
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: but that's just common sense. That's the reality. And when
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: you look at the books, it's one it's one item
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: that's exploding in costs and we're not going to be
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: able to afford to continue to pay it, and I
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: fear the most vulnerable will be the ones that miss out.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Spot on and they'll ignore it over the next couple
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: of days. Thanks for joining us, David, appreciate it, David
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: little proud. They're the Nationals leader joining us from Sydney.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Got to get to a break. On the other side,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I'm going to speak with the National Farmers Federation. He
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: was in the room where it happened today. I'll get
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: his thoughts. I just got a message that Daniel Andrews
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: is watching the show in the Quadas Chairman's Lounge in Canberra.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Good to see your former premier. Come on for a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: chat sometime now. Day one of Labour's talk fest, this
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: economic Roundtable is about to wrap up in canber Today's
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: theme was resilience. Productivity will be head of the agenda
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: tomorrow and the final day on Thursday is set to
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: focus on tax reform. Let's bring in the National Farmers
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Federation president David Johinky, who was in the room today.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, David. Tell us your.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Impressions of the discussion and whether there were any worthwhile
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: ideas coming out of it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: Chris Look ultimately It was a discussion around trade and
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: about Australia's opportunity to maximize both agricultural tree put in
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: the most important money generating output that we have, and
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: that is making sure we've got good relations with our
• 26:05
  Speaker 11: trading partners, making sure that our decisions around how to
• 26:09
  Speaker 11: pursue free trade agreements, making sure that our economic position
• 26:14
  Speaker 11: within the region is stabilized. But then more so, how
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: can we do this in a environment where the government
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: is asking for neutral to negative budget impacts as far
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: as not wanting to spend too much money on these
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: ideas is a challenge. Noting two that we were the
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: only agricultural organization within the room was probably one of
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: the other differences around other industries were only invited into
• 26:44
  Speaker 11: the one session out of the eight that we're being conducted.
• 26:47
  Speaker 11: So I also wanted to try to mention some of
• 26:50
  Speaker 11: the productivity, some of the regional issues as well as
• 26:52
  Speaker 11: some of the community aks that we have around some
• 26:55
  Speaker 11: of the policies that are currently being rolled out as well.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just stick with trade for a moment because
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: we're getting a lot of word from a lot of
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: sectors where companies are balking at investing in Australia in
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the energy sector and resources sector, in manufacturing and the like,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and we're going to see similar in pharmaceuticals.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: With the big news on CSL today, they're.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Looking if they're going to invest in the new jobs,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: new plant, new equipment, they're going to look at doing
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that in America now because of the way things are
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: unfolding and because of the tax disadvantages here and the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: encumbrances on planning and approvals in Australia.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: So that's a big problem for us.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But in the agricultural sector, you can't kind of replace
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: this food bowl possibility that this nation has. Obviously we've
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: always been a food and fiber bowl for the world,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: but there's an enormous untapped potential, isn't there for us
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to grow more food here and export more food, especially
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: into the East Asian region spot on Chris.
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: One of the key messages that we did have, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: it came from the Agricultural Productivity around table we had
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: the week before that fed in this discussion was Southeast
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: Asia is still our closest and most important emerging market.
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: Australia's absolutely primed position to service that industry, as well
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: as understanding the more we trade with our names, the
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: more we can integrate ourselves within that social fabric of
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: the region. It means that we can have stability and
• 28:23
  Speaker 11: trust within the nations. Noting that we're in a climate
• 28:26
  Speaker 11: now where we're seeing very uncertain geopolitical concerns starting to arise,
• 28:32
  Speaker 11: such as what we have seen with the US, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: our fear is that protectionism will start to sweep over
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: the global trading systems, which will make it even more
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: challenging for Australia. We also note that around nineteen percent
• 28:48
  Speaker 11: of our potential is left on the table purely because
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: non tariff barriers are making it hard for us to
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: do trading deals, making it hard for us to execute
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: those trading deals. And as a nation, we need to
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: make sure that that government to government collaboration, making sure
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: that that business to business understanding is enhanced and once
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: again southeas stage is primed for us. Also noting that
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: we've got opportunities with the Indian market and also the
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: golf market as well, let alone trying to navigate a
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: European Union deal that is essentially beneficial to agriculture, of
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: which we didn't see the occurring last time we were
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: in negotiation.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're always hard on agriculture. The Europeans, thanks for
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: joining us, David appreciate it. David Jahinki there with the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: National Farmers Federation. Trade a big focus for them, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: of course a lot of uncertainty at the moment.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Energy too. We got to a bit of that with
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: David Little Proud.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: We'll come back to David and catch up with him
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: on the energy issues again sometime in the future, but
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: we've got to get to a breakdown on the other
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: side of that. Kristen Tate in the US, the Trump haters,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: they were quick to write him off over the Ukraine deal,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: but there are some promising science coming out of Donald
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Trump's meeting with Ukraine's president and the European leaders night.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: As I pointed out yesterday, the usual Trump haters were
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: too quick to slam Donald Trump's efforts to end the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Ukraine War after his summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: They all said it was a failure, while I argued
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the next steps actually looked promising, and sure enough, overnight,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the US President met with Vladimir Zelenski and European leaders
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: including Keir Starmer and Emanuel mccron and the head of
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: NATO at the White House, and they've thrashed out the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: next steps, including a Russia Ukraine's summit and then possibly
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: a trilateral meeting with Russia.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Ukraine and the United States. Here's Donald Trump.
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: We're going to try and get a three party meeting
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: maybe as soon as we can, and have a feeling
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: you and President Putin are going to work something out.
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: I'll set up a meeting with President Putin, and if
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: you'd like, I'll go to that meeting. And not that
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: I want to do that, but I will do that
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: because we want to save a lot of people from dying.
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: A lot of people are dying and we got to
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: save them.
• 31:10
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Now one's calling this resolved.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I certainly am not, because there are a few tricky
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: steps to go. But as I put it to us
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: analyst Kristen tight, this certainly is CAUs for optimism.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: Yes, and this last meeting with Zelenski was a great
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: step in the right direction. Some key takeaways from that meeting,
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: Trump and Zelenski presented a united front. This was a
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: much improved situation from their last meeting. U Zelenski also
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: said that Ukraine would buy ninety billion dollars worth of
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: American arms. Trump has said we're done giving them unlimited aid,
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: but he's willing.
• 31:46
  Speaker 14: To sell arms to them.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: And most importantly, as you know, those clips you just
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: played showed, Trump understands that Putin has leverage here and
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: that Zelenski and Trump are going to need to work
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: with Putin. Unlike these previous American presidents like Biden and Obama,
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: who would characterize Putin as this evil fascist dictator, Trump
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: is trying to actually have productive conversations with Putin and
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: bring him to the table. So this is fantastic news
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: all of this.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, both things can be true in my view, that
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you can be an evil fascist dictator, but you've still.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Going to deal with him. You have to deal with him,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you have to have some sort of compromise if you
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: want a peace deal.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Here's what Vladimir Zelenski had to say.
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: We just conformed after this productive meeting with President and
• 32:35
  Speaker 13: then with all our colleagues, with the partners, who conformed
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: that we are ready for tree lateral meeting.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Ukraine will never.
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: Stop on the way to peace and we are ready
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: for any kind of foremast. But on the level of fluidus.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is such a turnaround, as you say, Christian
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: from the last time Vladimir Zelenski was at the White House.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Also, it shows what a master stroke.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: It was to have the European and NATO and EU
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: leaders there too, because have a litle stike in it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Then you need you're not in front.
• 33:04
  Speaker 14: Exactly. They're all working together.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: But again, I think Putin is the missing piece to
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: this puzzle.
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: You know, Putin has a lot of leverage here, a
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: lot more than Ukraine does.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: And I think Trump understands that you can't actually solve
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: this conflict without unfortunately maybe giving some concessions to Russia.
• 33:22
  Speaker 14: So Ukraine's not going to like that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: But the first step is getting everyone to the table
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: and working something out.
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: If anyone can do that, it's a deal maker like Trump.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And to emphasize that point of view, like there was
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: this hot moment where Donald Trump was speaking with the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: French president Emanuel mccron.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Have a listen to this.
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: I think.
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: I think he wants to make any differ goes as.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Crazy as it change me, just goes to this point.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: He is a deal Micah, and he thinks he's on
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the break of a deal. Now, the big question is
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: whether Putin's been leveled with him where his Putin sort
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: applied him along, or do we trust that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: This deal is there for the offering.
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: Well, we don't know.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: This is ultimately a battle of big egos here, but
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: I think Trump understands who he's dealing with here. Putin
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: wants to walk away from this conflict looking like he
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: has a victory.
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: He does not want it to appear.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: Putin doesn't that Trump is the one kind of broker
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: in the piece that holding all of the cards. Trump
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: gets that because he also has a big ego. Putin's
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: probably going to demand some Ukrainian territory. Trump is not
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: dealing with some nation here like Canada or Mexico where
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: America holds all of the cards, and unfortunately that's going
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: to probably come at some expense to the Ukrainian people.
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: But you know, these things are very delicate.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: We're dealing with big personalities and Trump is just trying
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: to work something out here.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing I think to look out for Christian
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: is some sort of compromise when it comes to land swamps.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe not a direct land swap, but some sort of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: autonomous region or administrative region in the eastern Donbass, where
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: both countries could claim that they haven't either seated territory
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: or taken it over.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: We'll see what unfolds.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But I want to go to some of the lighter
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: movements of today's exchanges because I think they give us
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: some insight. You mentioned, of course, before that Vladimir Is
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Zelensky's first last visit to the White House was a
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: train wreck. One of the things focused on them was
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: what he decided to wear. Well, Zelensky this time decided
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: to wear a suit. Look at how that played out.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: President, You love fabulous in that suit. Yeah, you look good.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I said the same thing.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I said one that attacked your last time.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I remember, I apologiate to you. You look wonderful. No,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: my first question for you, President.
• 35:49
  Speaker 14: Deceave sit.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good humor from both sides there, Kristen.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: But it actually highlights that Zelensky was making an effit
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't it.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, I think Zelenski did a great job
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: with what he chose to wear, because he did wear
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: a suit, but he wasn't wearing a tie, So you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: he's showing that he's respecting what the White House is
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: telling him, but he's also, you know, still his own person,
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: and he's not going to completely do everything they tell
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: him to do.
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: And I love the tone here from both parties.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: Trump is is walking a very difficult tight wire here
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: because a big part of his base is just so
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: done with this conflict. There's a lot of anger towards
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: Zelensky because of how they feel he has.
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: Not been thankful enough for all the aid we've given him.
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: But then you have a bunch of other Americans, probably
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: more than fifty percent, that absolutely loves Zelenski.
• 36:44
  Speaker 14: I was actually up in rural Vermont.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: This weekend and driving around, you just see every other
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: house is waving the Ukrainian flag.
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: So Trump kind of has to keep all Americans happy.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: And this tone is just perfect for both leaders to have.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: There was also a nasty exchange to the first ladies.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: We know that Millennia Trump had written had a hand
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: delivered letter to Vladimir Putin that Donald Trump handed over,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and she was appealing for peace, and she said that
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: in protecting the innocence of children, you'll do more than
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: serve Russia alone, You'll serve humanity itself. It's time, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Zelenski handed Trump a letter from his wife where he
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: is thanking Millennia for that intercession.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Have a look many answer your wife. Of course, leydil didn't.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Understairs she sounded a letter to put in a bolt
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: our children abducted children at.
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: My wife, she felt, let you of your green Hon't
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: she get the letter?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: It's not to you to your wife. There we go.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Lots of good indicators there. We've got to see what happens.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: We need to see the Putin Zolenski meeting. We need
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to see the Trilateral meeting after that. But let's keep
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: our fingers crossed. I just want to get you'll comment
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: on Washington d C. We talked last week about the
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: National guid being sent in to improve law and order.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: They're on the streets. How's it all panning out?
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: It's working well.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: They're finally regaining control of Washington, d C, which has
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: had a higher crime rate in the last few years
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: than some third world countries cities like Mexico City.
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: Washington, d C actually had a.
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: Higher crime Nate great and Mexico City, Panama City, all
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: kinds of other third world cities, so something had to
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: be done.
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  Speaker 14: Good for Trump.
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: It is working and again I know we talk about
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: this theme a lot on these segments. All it takes
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: is will and strong leadership and so much can be done.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: We are seeing that on the ground in Washington, d C,
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: which has been an embarrassment for over a decade now
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: in terms of their law enforcement and safety.
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: Finally, the citizens there can sleep easy at night knowing
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: the law is being enforced.
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  Speaker 2: Strength and leadership and will we don't see it here
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: in Australia, but it is on display there in DC
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  Speaker 2: at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Kristin.
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  Speaker 14: Thank you, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: A bit of strength and leadership home be good to see.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: We'll have a break on the other side. We'll have
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Sousio O'Brien and Caroline to Russo. One of the things
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about is the AFL's hypocrisy over sexism and homophobia.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: As you know, I love the footy and I love
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the Adelaide crows. That's obvious every night on the desk,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: isn't it. And the AFL of course does an amazing job.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I reckon running the best competition of the greatest sport
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: in the world, even if they don't go a bit
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: too far with the politics and the virtue signaling every
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: now and then. But they're rightly being called out now
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: for hypocrisy.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: You see that.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I've been cracking down hard on homophobic slurs added by
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: players on the field. Now, once upon a time, what
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: was said on the field stayed there, but times have changed.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Number of players have been suspended for three, four, even
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: more games for uttering homophobic barbs out opponents.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Now, some of these cases have.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Involved the F word, you know, the F word for
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: a gay man that was once in such common usage.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: It was used in a smash hit song by Dire
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Straits just a few decades back. Now, to be clear,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I support cracking down on this stuff. You've got to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: stamp out this sort of bigotry, and there should be
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: some sanction against players, but I reckon the penalties have
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: been way over the top anyway. The latest offender is
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Crow's champion Isaac Rankin. Now the club self reported to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the AFL after get this. Their opponents on Saturday night, Collingwood, Well,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a team that they're going to meet in the finals. Well,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: they alerted the Crows to this infringement. Now Rankin could
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: miss the rest of the season. One of the game's
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: most exciting players out for the entire finals series because
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: of a word, just a word. So where's the hypocrisy
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: from the AFL. Well, look who they're paying to perform
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: at this year's Grand Final. Yeah, the rapper Snoop Dogg
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: hired to perform and promote the AFL Grand Final. This
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: is a bloke who was once rejected for a visa
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: to Australia on character grounds, a decision later overturned, but
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: others petitioned for him to be banned again later, partly
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: because of homophobic comments and homophobic lyrics in his songs.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: And yes, some of them use the very same word.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: The AFL is now banning players for using. Snoop Dogg
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: has also been criticized many times for misogynistic lyrics and comments,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: degrading words about women, and even turning up at an
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: event with two.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Women on leashes a kid.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: You not yet for all this, the AFL is paying
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg are reported two million dollars. The Adelaide Advertiser
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: certainly didn't miss the double standard today with this front
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: page about lines being blurred. Yeah, the deliberately and repeatedly
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: offensive Snoop Dogg will take center stage while one of
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: the game's marquee players might not get to the Grand
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Final day, even if his team makes it, because he
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: used one offensive word, a word that Snoop Dogg has
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: used to help make his fame and fortune, but Rankin
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: made the mistake of using it on the field in
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: the heat of battle. We're not condoning its use, We're
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: pointing out the hypocrisy. Something doesn't compute. Isaac Rankin is
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: known to strum a guitar and sing a song or two,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: even on live television. So if they ban him for
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the entire final series, perhaps he should replace Snoop Dogg
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: as the Grand Final entertainment.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It'll be cheaper, it'll be.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Less hypocritical, and they'll be backing Australian talent.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Let's go to our panel, our seat.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: O'Brien, News Corps National Education editor joins us from Melbourne,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: and Sky News contributor Caroline.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: De Russo joins us a day late.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Good to see you back on board, Caro, Susie, you're
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: in the heart of the beast there in Melbourne and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: AFL Land. That's hypocrisy over Snoop Dogg and the crackdown
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: on Home of big offensive language is pretty impossible to ignore,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: isn't it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right in pointing out the
• 43:27
  Speaker 15: hypocrisy there with the AFL, But we do need to
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: make sure that the focus is squarely today on what
• 43:33
  Speaker 15: Isaac Rankin said and exactly what they're going to do
• 43:36
  Speaker 15: about that. Firstly, I agree we shouldn't have snoop dogg.
• 43:41
  Speaker 15: I think that there's been a big backlash, particularly from
• 43:44
  Speaker 15: women's groups, about that decision. It's just divisive, like why
• 43:47
  Speaker 15: poke that bear? Like there's no need for them to
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: have done that when there's plenty of other good options. However,
• 43:54
  Speaker 15: let's not take the attention away from Isaac Rankin. I
• 43:58
  Speaker 15: think that it was an forgivable, hurtful slur and he
• 44:02
  Speaker 15: deserves to be punished, and no doubt he will.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be punished, and he's apologized, and others have
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: been punished before.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think the punishments have been over the top.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I said that about the other ones, but obviously people
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: just say I'm arguing at Adlade's case.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: But it's an issue here, isn't it, Caro.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: The punishment for this in this particular football profession seems
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to be a little.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Bit harder than this in real life.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think that's a fair enough observation. And look,
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: we talked about this with Andrew Bolt a week ago
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: when Snoop Dogg was first announced.
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: And the AFL is a hot mess on these.
• 44:39
  Speaker 16: Sorts of issues. And it's not just that it's hypocritical,
• 44:43
  Speaker 16: you know, when you're talking about a player versus who
• 44:45
  Speaker 16: you're talking about as talent for the AFL Grand Final.
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: But even in amongst players, like some players get totally
• 44:51
  Speaker 16: rubbed out like in this instance. And I'm not suggesting
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: that that's not a wrong decision. I think that's fair,
• 44:58
  Speaker 16: but plenty of other players along the way have gotten
• 45:01
  Speaker 16: a cuddle.
• 45:02
  Speaker 14: And I mean, I'm from Western Australia.
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: We all remember the infamous two thousand and six West
• 45:06
  Speaker 16: Coast Eagles team. So the rules in the AFL itself
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: they are not consistent and their principles are expediing at best.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, And just to wrap it up on Snoop
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: dog I think it's the misogynistic stuff in his lyrics
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and film clips and behavior that's going to is the
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: real problem too, because as Susie said, so many women
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: female fans are not going to be too excited by that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: It's a big change from Katie Perry last year, that's
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Let's go to this decision of the government about the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Israeli MP Susie, you're now Israel retaliating. This is terrible
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: the state of relations between Israel and Australia now at
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: such a difficult time for Israel.
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: Yes, this really does seem like a new low and
• 45:56
  Speaker 15: I think the government needs to come out and really
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: spell out why they can justify this particular decision. I mean,
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: Dave Sharma's come out today and said there seems to
• 46:06
  Speaker 15: be no basis whatsoever. They're saying they're worried that he's
• 46:09
  Speaker 15: going to stir up racial hatred or stir up issues
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: or unrest. But you know, this was a man who
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: was going on a speaking to a synagogues, like he's
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: kind of preaching to the converted, and you know, it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 15: not like he was going to be leading marches down
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: the middle of Burke Street in Melbourne or anywhere else.
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: Surely we have a robust enough democracy to handle people
• 46:33
  Speaker 15: like this coming onto our shores.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Caro, What really really alarms me is the documents
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the Australian is unearthed that say that one of this
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: bloke's problems apparently is he wants to eliminate Hummas. Well,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: what right thinking person wouldn't want to eliminate Hummas? And
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the other point that therefore his visit to Australia could
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: disrupt the Muslim community, might upset some of the more
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: radical elements.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: In our Muslim community.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Presumably it's outrageous that someone should be banned because of that.
• 47:05
  Speaker 16: Won't someone think of the terrorists? Chris, absolutely absolutely extraordinary
• 47:12
  Speaker 16: And the reaction from the government and Penny Wong obviously
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: in relation to the retaliation here from Israel in canceling visas.
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: You need to live in the real world. Now, someone
• 47:26
  Speaker 16: like Penny Wong has.
• 47:27
  Speaker 14: Toddled along through life.
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: Without accountability, without responsibility, and without obviously understanding that there
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: are consequences for your actions and you can't just simply
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: go around doing things and then expect no one else
• 47:43
  Speaker 16: to retaliate. And Chris, it reminds me of we all
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: grew up with siblings, right, you know, we've all got
• 47:48
  Speaker 16: that sibling and I'm outing my brother here, who you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 16: picks a fight and then the minute you give them
• 47:55
  Speaker 16: a serve back, they go and have a sook to mum.
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: That was Pennywong Today.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you the idea that this government has allowed
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: people in from Gaza without proper security checks yet.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Bans an elective mainstream.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Israeli politician shows what we've sunk to really bizarre depths
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and dangerous depths. I just want to give you a chance,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: sou as you, to finish off on a story that
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: you've been covering in your education round and that is
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: more alarming statistics about how boys are falling a long
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: way behind.
• 48:25
  Speaker 15: Yeah, we're having a look at some of the literacy
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: literacy statistics from the recent Naplan tests. In some states,
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: fifty two percent of boys are failing literacy, most importantly
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: writing and grammar. And there seems to be no discussion,
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: no economic roundtable about the future of boys education. When
• 48:47
  Speaker 15: are people going to wake up and start paying attention
• 48:51
  Speaker 15: to this dire state of affairs. These boys are in
• 48:55
  Speaker 15: year nine, they start in year seven, they go backwards,
• 48:59
  Speaker 15: they can less well by year nine and in some
• 49:04
  Speaker 15: states its as high as sixty nine percent. So more
• 49:07
  Speaker 15: disaster starting to address this exactly.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be a top priority. Thanks for joining us,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Susie and Caroline, great stuff. I'll catch up with you
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: next week, just a time for a little bit of
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: your feedback on what I had to say. My more
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: optimistic take last night on Donald Trump's intervention with Ukraine
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: and Russia, and one viewer says, I don't see anybody
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: else trying to end this war, a war that wasn't
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: started under his reign, and Aaron says, yes, the needle
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: has moved towards peace, while another viewer says Trump the
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: world leader, Well, he's certainly taking it on. Let's see
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: how successfully is and one more viewer says, the world
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: is exhausting. I just want peace for everyone, don't we all?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Don't we all? But sometimes, in fact, all the time
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: you've actually got a fight for it and work for it.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, Steve Price, again filling in on
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Kredlin