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Legally Brunette Presents: ’Til Death Do Us Part - Gerhardt Konig · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette Presents Till Death Do
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  Speaker 1: Us Part, where we break down cases of wives committing
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  Speaker 1: crimes against husbands and the husbands against.
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  Speaker 2: Wives, namely homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Mostly homicide, yes, and I felt like if we ever
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  Speaker 1: ran out of homicide cases, we could move into you know,
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  Speaker 1: attempted murder other types of things. But there doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to be a lack of homicide cases out there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not an economy driven crime.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot. So anyway, I'll be your host, Emily Simpson,
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  Speaker 1: along with my co pilot over here, Shane and Shange.
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  Speaker 1: I know you guys can't see, but he's drinking a
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  Speaker 1: big gulp in just in case you were wondering visually
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  Speaker 1: what Shane looks like at the moment. Oh. Also, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, before we get into this, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: you guys send me dms, which I love about the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And first of all, the first takeaway I have is
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  Speaker 1: that so many of you have said that you enjoy
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  Speaker 1: Shane because he's been talking a lot more and has
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  Speaker 1: a lot more opinions and you love to hear him talk,
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  Speaker 1: and I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 2: But the second I got a lot of dms about
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  Speaker 2: it's because you're talking less.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I got a lot of dms about how funny
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  Speaker 1: people thought you were. That you just I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that you you have the your fascination, your hate fascination
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  Speaker 1: with Megan Markle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah as ever, Yeah, how's that going? And I should
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  Speaker 2: order some jam.
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  Speaker 1: And some wickless candles.
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  Speaker 2: Wickless candles is just wax. Do you want a cup
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  Speaker 2: of wax? Yes, that's all she's sold. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any new hatred towards her or not
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  Speaker 1: seeing anything lately? Okay, Well for the next podcast, could
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  Speaker 1: you please could you please watch some maybe some Instagram
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  Speaker 1: stories of her so we could get your feedback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, just me. Netflix doesn't want her.
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  Speaker 1: Either, Yeah, it's you and Netflix. Did Netflix reach out
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  Speaker 1: to you and ask you.
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  Speaker 2: How you found about the podcast flopped?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Well she's just a flaw fall around right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's trying to be she's trying to buy her
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  Speaker 2: way to be the next Martha Stewart and it's not
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  Speaker 2: working out.
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  Speaker 1: You can't buy your way to that. You just have
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  Speaker 1: to be that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, you earn it all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So today we are going to get into the
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  Speaker 1: case of Gerhard Koenig and his wife Ariel Koenig. And
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  Speaker 1: if you have been following a court TV at all,
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  Speaker 1: or the news or my news source Instagram, you would
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  Speaker 1: see that this case is on trial right now. Also,
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  Speaker 1: we did an episode a year ago on Legally Brunette,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a brief overview of this case because
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  Speaker 1: it when it first came out and it came out publicly,
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  Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of information. Now that he is
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  Speaker 1: going to trial, we were following along with the trial.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to take another deep dive into this.
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  Speaker 1: And also it has to do with a husband trying
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  Speaker 1: to murder his wife, so it works out well for
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  Speaker 1: it till death do his part. Gerhard Koenig as a
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  Speaker 1: forty seven year old Maui anethesiologist who was arrested back
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four in connection with the attempt murder
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  Speaker 1: of his wife while the couple was hiking together in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: According to investigators, doctor Koenig allegedly pushed his wife Ariel.
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  Speaker 1: She's thirty seven year old. She's a nuclear scientist. Did
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  Speaker 1: you know that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I did. Actually she was a stay at home
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  Speaker 2: nuclear scientist, stay.
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  Speaker 1: At what's the same nuclear science.
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  Speaker 2: I can stay home mom, but I think she used
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  Speaker 2: to be a nuclear scientist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like when it's like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Your jobbing that remotely.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you don't think you need to work
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  Speaker 1: from home as a nuclear well, I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: if you're in front of a computer. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what nuclear scientist means. It sounds very scientific
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  Speaker 1: and intelligent.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is so.
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  Speaker 1: He allegedly pushed his wife Ariel toreed a cliff, tried
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  Speaker 1: to inject her with a syringe, and struck her repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: with a lava rock. Luckily, his wife survived this attack
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  Speaker 1: and can live to tell her story, which is what
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  Speaker 1: she's doing now during the trial. We watched her testimony
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  Speaker 1: last night.
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  Speaker 2: Lava rocks are sharp, Yeah, extremely m we'll.
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  Speaker 1: Get into that. Gerhard Cone ask me how I know.
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  Speaker 1: How do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Because I climbed a volcano.
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  Speaker 1: Once you climbed a volcano?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Where?
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  Speaker 2: And the rock is sharp?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you climb a volcano?
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  Speaker 2: In Cape verd the Cape Verdon Islands where I lived
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  Speaker 2: for almost a year, there was active volcanoes and the
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  Speaker 2: whole island it was ash and then when you walk
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  Speaker 2: on the beach, it was it was black sand because
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  Speaker 2: it was ash or volcanic rock, and it's very sharp.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't really walk barefoot.
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  Speaker 1: Was it an active volcano that was here.
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  Speaker 2: Smoke coming out all the time? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Do you want to explain why you spent a
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  Speaker 1: year in Cape Baird?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was on a church mission, yes, for my church,
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  Speaker 2: and it covered Portugal and Cape Verdan Islands.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was in Portugal for a year and then Cape
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  Speaker 2: Verd for a year.
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  Speaker 1: Do you speak Portuguese?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: What do you speak in Cape Baird Creolo? Do you
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  Speaker 1: speak that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I love I love getting these little Shane somesing anecdotes.
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  Speaker 2: You knew.
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  Speaker 1: I was just asking because I know that the audience
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  Speaker 1: did a lot so.
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  Speaker 2: A little rusty.
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  Speaker 1: All right, back to doctor Koenig. We'll just take it.
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  Speaker 2: If you ever want to take a trip to a
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  Speaker 2: third world country, yes, we can go to the Cape
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  Speaker 2: Urian Islands.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I do talk about field trips for legally Brunette,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know if a crime has taken place there.
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  Speaker 2: Crimes there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we should look one up and talk
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  Speaker 1: about it. Koenig has pleaded not guilty and faces a
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  Speaker 1: charge of attempted second degree murder and if convicted, he
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  Speaker 1: could face life in prison. Let's just go back and
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  Speaker 1: take a little dive into this timeline and the details
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  Speaker 1: of what actually.
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  Speaker 2: Life and it should be life in prison, because even
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  Speaker 2: if he didn't succeed murdering her, you don't want this
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  Speaker 2: guy on the loose. Well, here's the thing and do
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  Speaker 2: it again. And who's who would want a data guy
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  Speaker 2: like this?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh you were married before? Oh what happened? How
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  Speaker 2: did why did it work out?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Who would want a dat a
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  Speaker 1: guy like this? We have had so many conversations about
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  Speaker 1: these You.
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  Speaker 2: Women will date murders.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I just saw an update. As I was researching
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  Speaker 1: and looking at this case, some other information came up
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  Speaker 1: about Wade Wilson and it was another woman that he
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  Speaker 1: was in some serious relationship with. It was talking about
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  Speaker 1: how they were going to get married, and then they
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  Speaker 1: were making references to Wade's wife. So, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: if for some reason, but.
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  Speaker 2: He's in jail, and I think that's an appeal to
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  Speaker 2: those people, for whatever psycho reason, that's the appeal to them.
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  Speaker 2: If this guy's out on the street, you know, like regular,
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  Speaker 2: and you're at a restaurant with him, and then you
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  Speaker 2: you google him and you come to learn that he
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  Speaker 2: tried to kill his wife. Yeah, well yeah, you're not
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  Speaker 2: going to pursue that relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Well someone will will, someone will, but he is not
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  Speaker 1: going to claim that he tried to kill his wife.
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  Speaker 1: We know that the defense is trying to say.
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  Speaker 2: He's a weak man and she tried to hit him.
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  Speaker 1: With you, they were just having a volatile relationship on
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  Speaker 1: their hike, and that she attacked him and that he
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  Speaker 1: was just you know, he was it was self defense.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So they're on a cliff.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's get let's get it to it. So March
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourth of twenty twenty five, so this was actually
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  Speaker 1: one year ago, the couple were celebrating Ariel's birthday in Oahu, Hawaii.
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  Speaker 1: This comes after a month long rough patch after Ariel
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  Speaker 1: admitted to having an emotional affair with her coworker.
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  Speaker 2: There's still such thing as an emotional affair.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you how you feel
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  Speaker 1: about when people define something as an emotional affair. You
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  Speaker 1: know what emotional affair means? Emotional affair means I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have sex with them.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if it means that.
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  Speaker 1: It does, it means I know emotional, Yes, it is
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  Speaker 1: emotional affairs. Cover up no an emotional by saying emotional affair,
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  Speaker 1: that means that we were just connecting and texting.
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  Speaker 2: It was sex if it truly was an emotional affair,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sorry it wasn't. I don't even know these people.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm telling you, it likely wasn't, probably not.
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  Speaker 1: She probably did have sex with him. But I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: when people classify an affair as an emotional affair, that's
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  Speaker 1: their way of trying to say they didn't physically. There
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  Speaker 1: wasn't any physicality going on. They were just connecting like soulmates,
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  Speaker 1: not having sex. That's what emotional affair means. You can
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  Speaker 1: say it's a BS all day long.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying all day long.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So they were hiking the Palipuka Trail, a narrow
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  Speaker 1: cliff side path that stands twelve hundred feet high, according
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  Speaker 1: to police reports. In Ariel's initial statement, Gerhard had asked
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  Speaker 1: her to take a selfie near the cliff's edge. When
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  Speaker 1: she declined because she felt very unsafe, he allegedly became
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  Speaker 1: very angry. I mean, can you just first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I'm picturing this in my mind where he's like, let's
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  Speaker 1: take a selfie. No, no, no, backup, no, be within
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  Speaker 1: six inches off the edge. Back more war So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I know during her testimony we were watching, she says
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  Speaker 1: that she felt so unsafe that she grabbed onto a tree.
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  Speaker 1: And she's holding onto a tree, right, And I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: when she grabs that was not part of his plan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure when she is holding onto this tree, he's like, well, now,
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  Speaker 1: how am I going to throw her off the edge?
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  Speaker 1: She's anchored herself down. So he allegedly becomes very upset
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  Speaker 1: that she doesn't want to keep getting closer to the
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  Speaker 1: edge and she's holding onto a tree. She claims during
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  Speaker 1: her testimony that he goes up to her and he
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  Speaker 1: like grabs her by the shoulders, and then at the
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  Speaker 1: next point, I guess he tries to push her towards
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  Speaker 1: the edge, and that they struggle with each other and
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  Speaker 1: then she actually falls to the ground. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the way she saves herself.
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  Speaker 2: First, he says, I'm sick of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sick of this. I'm sick of you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they go from having a lovely walk on her birthday.
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  Speaker 1: I guess even that morning he gave her a birthday
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  Speaker 1: card that had like all these nice things written.
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  Speaker 2: And was creating a story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was like and he had dinner reservations and this
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  Speaker 2: is a great moment. So he could be like, look,
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  Speaker 2: I just why would I throw her off? So then
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  Speaker 2: when he comes.
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  Speaker 1: Becomes aggressive with her and he like grabs her and
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  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm sick of this and I'm sick of
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  Speaker 1: you and.
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  Speaker 2: We're done with you. I like, go the tree.
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  Speaker 1: This is when she ends up on the ground. I
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  Speaker 1: assume that she went to the ground because she knows
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  Speaker 1: she's close to the edge. The way to feel.
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  Speaker 2: Safe is to like, yeah, lower center gravity, right.
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  Speaker 1: And she's holding onto like shrubbery and bushes.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what she just grabbed, right.
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  Speaker 1: So then he ends up getting on top of her.
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  Speaker 1: He's strattling her, right, he's sitting, he's on top of her,
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  Speaker 1: and then they're struggling and he and she's screaming, help me,
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  Speaker 1: help me. He's trying to kill me. And then he
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  Speaker 1: ends up picking up a rock, and we know it's
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  Speaker 1: a lava rock and like what you just said was,
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  Speaker 1: they're very sharp. And he starts bashing her in the
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  Speaker 1: head with this lava rock and she's screaming, and she's
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  Speaker 1: screaming for help. She claims that he struck her head repeatedly,
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  Speaker 1: reportedly about ten blows, while also grabbing her hair and
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  Speaker 1: forcing her down so she's on the ground. He's strattling
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  Speaker 1: on top of her.
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  Speaker 2: She fought, yeah, she fought back good. Yeah, she and
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  Speaker 2: she even grabbed him in the nuts.
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  Speaker 1: She did, She says she she bit him, She bit
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  Speaker 1: his forearm, and she grabs his testicles, is what she said. Yeah, yeah, because.
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  Speaker 2: She was good for her. She was doing everything she
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  Speaker 2: could to not let him take over her.
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  Speaker 1: Right. She also claims that she was trying to reason
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  Speaker 1: with him the same time, because she was saying.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, don't do this, I'm going to die jail
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  Speaker 2: or kids will be orphans.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And she said that he took a brief pause.
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  Speaker 2: Before, but yes, but then he no, he took up.
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  Speaker 2: She said it looked like he took a brief pause,
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  Speaker 2: took a breath, like he was almost reflecting on what
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  Speaker 2: she said. Yeah, but then he just grabbed some rocks
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  Speaker 2: and just bashed her in the head right.
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  Speaker 1: Or he might that might have been the point where
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  Speaker 1: she also claims that he was trying that he grabbed
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  Speaker 1: a syringe, and he had a syringe in his hand,
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  Speaker 1: and I guess in his other hand he had a
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  Speaker 1: vial of some kind of liquid. This is what she
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  Speaker 1: she claims. And she says that she hid his hand
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  Speaker 1: and the syringe flew out of his hand. But while
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  Speaker 1: while all this is going on, she manages to start
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  Speaker 1: to crawl away, and her screams were heard by two
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  Speaker 1: hikers who found her injured. We also saw the testimony
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  Speaker 1: of one of those hikers that testified in court. She
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  Speaker 1: just claims that she and a friend went walking that
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  Speaker 1: morning at like she even knew the time. She said
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  Speaker 1: it was like ten twenty two am or whatever. Helped me,
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  Speaker 1: help me help, yeah, And they just they went up
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  Speaker 1: the entrance to this Palipuca hike and they said they
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  Speaker 1: hadn't gone They were only on the trail for maybe
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  Speaker 1: five minutes or something, which also makes me think what
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  Speaker 1: was his his intent. He must have just felt like
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  Speaker 1: he could have pushed her quickly off of the edge,
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  Speaker 1: because this is a public this isn't a This is
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  Speaker 1: like a popular.
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  Speaker 2: But obviously going to be. We were taking photos and
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  Speaker 2: she fell over, right.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why he was trying to get her to
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  Speaker 1: back up as so she could to the edge, and
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  Speaker 1: he was just going to push her off that.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't matter if there was people around, as long
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  Speaker 2: as they didn't see him actually shove it, right.
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  Speaker 1: But then she ruined his plans by not backing all
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  Speaker 1: the way up and grabbing onto.
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  Speaker 2: The tree, plans by being a smart woman.
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  Speaker 1: So she manages us to crawl away. Her screams are
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  Speaker 1: heard by the two hikers we were talking about, who
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  Speaker 1: then called nine one one. Gerhardt fled the scene, but
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  Speaker 1: was later located and arrested by police. Now here's my question,
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  Speaker 1: because I kept looking this up because I was confused
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  Speaker 1: about this. I do know that they recovered the rock
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  Speaker 1: that he used to hit her in the head with
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  Speaker 1: it because they had blood on it, and obviously they're
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  Speaker 1: going to prove that it has you know, his DNA
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  Speaker 1: and her blood and her DNA, all those things to
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  Speaker 1: corroborate her story of what happened. But also I was
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  Speaker 1: trying to find information about whether the syringe and the
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  Speaker 1: vial were recovered at the scene. The syringe was not
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  Speaker 1: I thought it wasn't, and neither was whatever the vile
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  Speaker 1: liquid is neither.
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  Speaker 2: I think neither were. Some of his items, like his
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  Speaker 2: wallet and his phone were not either, right, so made
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  Speaker 2: me think somehow he ditched it or he succeeded.
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  Speaker 1: My question is because she claims in her testimony that
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  Speaker 1: he had the syringe in his hand and that she,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hit his hand and it flew. He had
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  Speaker 1: to have quickly recovered it and then left the scene. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess while she was crawling she said she had
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  Speaker 1: to crab crawl. You know what crab crawl is.
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  Speaker 2: Crawl like crab were your back.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like you were crawling.
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  Speaker 2: She's scooting on her butt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's crab crawling away. And then I think when
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  Speaker 1: when he realizes that there's people that have seen them
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  Speaker 1: and are saying, we're calling nine to one one, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get you help, he had to have grabbed
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  Speaker 1: the syringe and vile. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He as an opportunity to think, Okay, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: getting old, she's not dead, I'm not getting away with this.
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  Speaker 2: So he cleaned up.
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't take the rock, but.
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  Speaker 2: I don't well the others, I don't know anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I was not recovered from the actual scene. I did
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  Speaker 1: read that Ariel. She claimed that she found like a
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  Speaker 1: fanny pack or a medical bag or something in their
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  Speaker 1: home that had syringes and like a violin it that
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  Speaker 1: looked exactly like what he tried to use that day.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, it seems like he would have.
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  Speaker 2: He would have this is just dumped it somewhere around.
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  Speaker 2: This guy is just a complete idiot. Well, I know,
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  Speaker 2: but I mean, I'm glad that he didn't succeed.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I guess he thought. I think he thought that it
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: would have just been easier, just like.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: I hate you. I'm sick of this. And he shoved
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: her and that's the end of it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think he buttered her up, right. He
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: gave her that nice card in the morning with all
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: this nice, flowery language about how much he loved her,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: And she testified that she thought that their marriage was
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: now on the right track because there was this affair
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: and he was very jealous and he was angry, and
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: she thought like this whole birthday trip and the card
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: and the dinner and everything was his way of like
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: moving forward. So I think he thought if he did
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: all of those things, he could just get this magical
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: selfie together right on the edge and just push her
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: off the edge. So then, in late March of twenty
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: twenty five, Gerhart was indicted on a charge of second
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: degree attempted murder and pleaded not guilty in Honolulu's Circuit court.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: A judge denied his bail and he remained in.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Custody he's been ever since. Yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors allege that he also told his nineteen year old
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: son and a this is a FaceTime call, that he
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: had quote tried to kill Ariel but she had gotten away.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: So that's very interesting to me. There's still a couple
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: more weeks of this trial to go on.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Why would if the dad did say that, why would
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: he call his son to say.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: That, Well, that wasn't his son with her, that was
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: his son from his previous marriage.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: He has is a matter. Why would he call eighty right?
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm just telling you he has
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: older children from like a previous marriage, and then he
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: has two young sons with.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Her, and that mother is still alive.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I believe, so, so the nineteen year old that he
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: FaceTime does not Ariel's biological son. He is Gerhart's son
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: from a past marriage, and Gerhart and Ariel have a
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: son together, had a son together in twenty twenty and
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: then another one in twenty twenty three, so they have
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: very young voice together. Also, I just wanted to when
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I was watching her testify and I was watching the trial,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: she looks very very different on the stand than she
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: does in the photographs that they show. So I don't
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: know if you noticed when they show a photograph and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I saw an.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Article, I saw like a professional photograph, like her in
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: her scientific lab coat or whatever.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just talking to show it was kind.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Of a little glamed up and cleaned up. And well,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Saying anytime they show a photo of her, even if
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: it's with him, like a selfie with him or with
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the family or whatever, like, she looks different to me.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: She has makeup and her hair is done. She's very
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: very very plain looking on the stand, which I think
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: was on purpose by her, by her attorneys, I'm sure they.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Want a little bit more like an innocent victim.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, he the defense is going to
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: claim that, you know, she had an affair, you know, Yeah,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: he's jealous, and then she was volatile and started some argument,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: and then she was aggressive with him and.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Then she bashed herself.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so I'm saying I think it was a
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: I think it was a conscious choice for her to
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: look very.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: De mirrored her look. She just didn't dress up.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying I think that was on purpose
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you want to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: win the jury over. So if you're too attractive, then
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: they could latch onto that. If she has makeup and
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: she looks beautiful and glamorous, it's hard to see someone
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: like as a victim. But when she has no makeup
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and her hair is simple and she doesn't have a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: stitch of mascara or anything on her face, I think
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the jury taps into that she looks like she could
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be harmed. Do you know what I mean. It's like
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a subconscious thing, Like you look at her and you
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: think she looks weak. She looks like a victim.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I don't judge people by the way they look.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Well, jurys do, juries do. And I'm telling you guys.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: By the inside, right, I guess you to know them first.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Sure. Twenty five to twenty twenty six is pre trial
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and evidence collection during this case, so police collected evidence
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: from the hiking area, including a blood stained rock. There
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: was also a backpack found, but I'm still kind of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: fuzzy on whether the backpack was found at the scene
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: or whether he took the backpack with him and then
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it was recovered later when they arrested him later. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like these details that are a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: little fuzzy will come out more as we go along.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: In a trial with testimony three days after the incident,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Ariel Koenig reported that she did find a fanny pack
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: containing a medical syringe, needles, and drug vials, and the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: drug vials were identified as propiful. I guess that's how
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you put Is that how you put people to sleep? Propofol?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't put people to sleep.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: You don't put I can look it up though, okay, propofol.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: This was found in the couple's home in Maui, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: that she testified that these matched the items that she
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: saw him try to use during the attack, but the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: vials from the scene have not been recovered.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So again it's used to for general anesthesia, which would
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: put her to sleep, yeah, or at least yeah, enough
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: that he could shove her off the cliff. But here's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: my question. It would be in her blood system, right, so.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: That's why he But why would you bring it along
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: because you wouldn't want to put it in her system
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: because if she did fall off and they do an autopsy,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: they're going to find that in her system and then
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they're going to link him to it. So I don't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: know in what world he thought that was a smart
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: idea to do.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: There's also bodycam footage of Ariel at the scene, wounded
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and assisted by hikers that was later shown to the jury.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Did you see that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: She had blood all over It looked really bad? I
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: know that. They tried to say it wasn't it like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: she bled a lot but the incisions weren't so.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Bad or something like that.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: But it looked bad.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Well, here's she also looked really thrown off, like they were.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: You know, she was really a mess.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw her stably so and the body camp
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: but they were like wrapping her head right with gauze
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and she had blood all over her, you know. In
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: order to find him guilty of attempted murder, the prosecution
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: is the burden of proving that he intended to kill her.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: That day, right, not just hit her on the head,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: not just hit her, not just.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Injure her, not just push her down. They have to
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: prove that he his intent was to kill her. What
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the defense is going to do is try to downplay
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: this whole thing into just some altercation that the two
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of them had and that he had no intent to
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: kill her. So then on March nineteenth, at twenty twenty six,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: this is when the trial begins. The attempted murder trial
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: officially opens. Prosecutors outline their case, focusing on evidence and
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: witness accounts of the attack. The defense argues that the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: incident was not attempted murder. Obviously, they're going to claim
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that he had no intent to actually kill her that day,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: But instead they're going to claim that they claimed that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: self defense.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It was hopeful she would die, but he did not intend.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: He did not intend to kill her. They claim self defense.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And they also are going to contest elements such as
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the presence of the syringes. So obviously the defense is
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: really going to focus on the fact that those syringes
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: were never found at the scene and that's going to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: go to her believability. That's what they're going to do, right,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: They're going to say she's invented this.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Found doesn't mean they didn't exist. It just means not found. Right,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Not seeing something doesn't prove it doesn't exist exactly.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: But the defense is going to latch onto that. They're
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: going to pound that into the jury's head. That there
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that she claims that there were syringes in.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: A li did exist, Is that lava rock and blood
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: all over her head.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Whether a confession was actually made, which is the face time,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and whether Ariel is a credible witness. So those are
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the things that the jury is going to have to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: figure out. Ariel Conig took the stand and provided detailed
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: testimony about the day of the attack. You know, we
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about her testifying because we did
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: watch it. But she recounted hiking and feeling uneasy about
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the location due to its dangerous terrain and wind. I
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: did read that the trail is very like there's there's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: areas that are very steep that you have to climb up,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and then it gets very close to much just like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a path.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: No, it's a popular hiking trail, but I think it's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: kind of strenuous, and you know, there's a drop off.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: She also testified that after they took a selfie on
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the cliff, as she began to move away from the edge, Gerhardt,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: who was facing the cliff, allegedly grabbed her arm and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: yelled I'm so effing done with this shit and get
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: back over there, while trying to pull her toward the edge.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I love that when his plan starts to fail because
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: she won't get close, he just loses his mind and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: he just starts yelling at her and he's like, get
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: back over to that spot. He didn't do a very
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: good job well alive.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. Well he also underestimated her ability
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to fight back. But you know, like announcing I'm going
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: to throw you off the cliff is pretty much what
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: he did that obviously put her on guard. When did
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: he do that when he said, like, I'm sick of
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: this and he like, I think he grabs both sides
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: of her. Yeah, I mean that's kind of implaying I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: going to throw you off a cliff. Yeah, and for
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: her to be on guard and start to defend herself, right,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So I guess it was good he said that because
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: he gave her a little bit of notice.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how does how.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Do people like that become a doctor? Like? How do
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you go through the the all I don't mean because
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he's a doctor, but all that work and all that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: diligence and all that planning and schooling something. Yeah, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: then and then the way you solve problems you try
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to kill someone.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's the question. Is it because
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: he's a doctor that he has some god complex and
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he has some ego problem and he does feel like
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the way that he can take care of this problem
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: is just to throw her off of a cliff instead
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: of getting divorced. I'll never understand why divorce isn't an option.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Well, that is an option. He chose death instead.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it wasn't an option for him. Why is
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: throwing his wife off of a cliff?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And he wants her dead. He wants her out of
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the picture. He doesn't want the kids to see her.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want her and so that's more important than like,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, her living to him. Now he's in jail.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: His trip to Honolulu is a little bit longer than planned,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: by about twenty five years to life.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Twenty five years a life. What do you think his
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: sentence should be. Do you think he should her? Yes,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: life in prison. Yeah, you do believe that he was
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: set out that day with the intent to kill her.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. I watched her testimony, and by the way she
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: looked and the way she had composed herself, and then
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: she didn't have any makeup on, I believed her.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh, well, too bad you're not on
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the jury then.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Nah, it was pretty believable.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she's believable. Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Thought I thought her fighting back was something else. I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: she she never let go. She was constantly protecting herself.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And then for her to go up there and testify
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: like that, I thought was pretty awesome, right, I think.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I think I had a smug and a smirk on
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: his face non stop.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Well, the first day of testimony, when they showed pictures
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of her and her injuries, he was crying.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Because he get caught.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he well, I don't know why he
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was probably back.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't care, but.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: He was crying in court during that part, So I
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. Here's the real question, And this is the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: interesting part, because the defense is claiming that he had
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: no intent to kill her, right, and that it was
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a scuffle and that she started in this and the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: rock was because he was defending himself. That's there, right,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: it's self defense. Right. They're going to put him on
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the stand. He's going to testify on his own behalf.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Well, he's choosing to. He didn't have to. Well, when that's.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Your defense, then I believe like you have to tell
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: your side of the story. So he's going to testify,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and the question is is the jury going to find
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: anything that he says to be believable?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Not if he's not that smirk on his face.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: He shouldn't wear any makeup though, no, he should. He
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: should look very de mirror.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: He's a yeah, it'll be good. It'll be a good
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: one to watch because when the defendant goes on the stand,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it's much more interesting.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, it is.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Then witnesses and cops, right, is saying what they saw, right,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: because we've had testimony from because it opens up a
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: whole can of worms.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's been all the cops that have testified
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: about what they saw the day, and you know the
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: footage the witnesses have testified, and there was also I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: believe a forensics person or a medical examiner or someone
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: test or a forensics person testify to the fact that
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: like the blood found on the lava rock is her DNA.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And then there was also I believe DNA found on
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the rock attributed to him. So now we've solidified that
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: he did pick up the rock and that the blood
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: was attributed to her that was on the rock. But
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the interesting part is what's coming up. Because you're right,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I want to see him on the stand. I want
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to see how he answers questions. I want to see
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: if he stays calm, because really the prosecutor wants to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: irritate him, right, he wants to get under his skin
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: and show that he's he's angry, that he's volatile.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: To break them.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: He's going to try to break them. You can't handle
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the truth that we need that moment that's from a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: few good men. Have you ever seen that movie where
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: they he just he goes out. It's it's Tom Cruise
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and he's he's cross examining, and then he's he's questioning
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: him and questioning him and questioning him, and then he
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: loses that. He just breaks the facade and he just
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: goes and he's like, you can't hand the truth, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: he just says all the things that he shouldn't say.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm saying we need a few good men moment
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: with doctor Koenig where he just loses it and he's like, yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I wanted to take her out. I wanted to push
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: her over the cliff. She's a bitch. All right, So
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: we'll see maybe that'll happen. Maybe, Okay, all right, So
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the trial is actively in progress with no verdict yet.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: As we were talking about that Doctor Koenig Jack Nicholson
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in that movie.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, no, we need to watch it. That's a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: good picture. I'm saying the because I think I've probably
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: seen a clip.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good nineties movie. Yeah, it's a good
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: lawyer movie. You would like it.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: No, it sounds like a little dramatic, Well.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: It is, but it's a good movie.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It's yes, yeah, so it's gonna be good.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It is, all right. So there's no verdict yet. However,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: we will continue to follow this trial because we definitely
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: want to talk about doctor Koenig's testimony cross examination, which
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: should be interesting. But we'll see. We're going to follow it,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and we will give you an update. It's fascinating and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: it's it's everywhere. I feel like when we first talked
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: about it a year ago on Just the Regular Leely Brunette,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: we did an episode on this, there wasn't much information
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and I don't feel like the media had really grabbed
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: onto it yet. I just thought it was really interesting.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: This guy that had a medical bag and he tried right, right,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and we yeah, we didn't know all the details. We
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: still don't know all the details, right.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: But obviously now there's more information because of the trial
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and the testimony. But now this case is huge. Every
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: time I there's so many articles and so many video clips,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's out there, so everybody's talking about it.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: So anyway, we wanted to follow the trial and do
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: an update and do a more in depth episode on
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: this case. So anyway, again, our public service message to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: all our listeners out there is that divorce is always
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the better option. So if you are feeling like you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: want to go on a hike to Hawaii with your
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: significant other and push them on the Pali Puoka what
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: was it Paliali trail?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Really for that matter, that has a cliff, right, were
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: packing things up after an affair. Yes, it's probably best
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: to be at sea level right and.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I would say either you just have to move on
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: from the affair or get divorced. Those are your two options.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So anyway, thank you so much you guys for listening
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