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Who blocked Shameless? · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber. I'm Amy Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber. And
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  Speaker 1: coming up on today's show, Adam Hyde's bonds campaign turns
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  Speaker 1: political and Olivia Mather's shock breakup. But first, shameless media
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  Speaker 1: has unwittingly sparked a manhunt to unmask the A-list celebrity
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  Speaker 1: who blocked them on Instagram. On Monday's episode, Michelle Andrews
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  Speaker 1: and Zara McDonald revealed that a celebrity who they've recently
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  Speaker 1: spoken about on the show went on a savage blocking spree.
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  Speaker 1: So not only did this celebrity block the Shameless podcast's
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  Speaker 1: Instagram account, but also Zara and Michelle's accounts and every
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  Speaker 1: single member of their team, including their much-loved producer, Eilish Gill.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to some of what they said.
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  Speaker 2: It's happened a third time.
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  Speaker 1: When you started staring down the barrel of me.
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  Speaker 2: I've saved this all morning.
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  Speaker 1: I knew I actually, we don't usually talk about what
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  Speaker 1: these pre-dinner mints are going to be, but I knew
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  Speaker 1: that this is what it was going to be. What
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  Speaker 1: did you say?
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  Speaker 2: You've had me blocked again. Your actions. Your actions, I
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  Speaker 2: have not had.
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  Speaker 3: A single involvement in this particular thing. Your sole actions, actually, Gil,
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  Speaker 3: you're involved in this as well.
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  Speaker 1: Your actions. Well, you're probably blocked. What are you?
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  Speaker 2: Have led to me being blocked.
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  Speaker 3: And listeners, I'll let you know, this is not the
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  Speaker 3: first time Zara McDonald has gotten me blocked. It's the
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  Speaker 3: third time Zara McDonald has gotten me blocked.
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  Speaker 1: In eight years.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 1: That's like a long time. The fact that this celebrity
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  Speaker 1: has blocked every member of the Shameless team, it makes
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  Speaker 1: it seem so personal. And I know what it feels
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  Speaker 1: like because this has happened to us on several occasions.
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  Speaker 1: And when you realize that your own personal account is
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  Speaker 1: blocked and that the person's actually gone and sought you out,
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  Speaker 1: looked at your personal page and then gone block, you
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  Speaker 1: actually feel like a horrible person. You feel embarrassed. It's
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  Speaker 1: so embarrassing. What makes it more embarrassing though? This isn't
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  Speaker 1: just some bog standard. There you go. So if you
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  Speaker 1: wanted me to say that more, this isn't some bog
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  Speaker 1: standard influencer. This is an A-list celebrity. Yeah, there's been
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  Speaker 1: some confusion. A lot of people thought that they were
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  Speaker 1: talking about an influencer, but no, this sounds like someone
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  Speaker 1: who's walking the red carpet of the Golden Globes. This
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  Speaker 1: is big time. And as you heard, Michelle feels like
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  Speaker 1: her blocking was quite unwarranted because she felt like she
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  Speaker 1: was caught in the crossfire between something that Zara and
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  Speaker 1: Gil have said on the show. And I feel for
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  Speaker 1: her because there's times where one of us will go
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  Speaker 1: hard on an influencer and and I'll be a fan
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  Speaker 1: of said influencer, and I'll end up blocked. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even fucking say anything about them. This happened recently.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't in one of the episodes, and you guys
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  Speaker 1: talked about Josh from Maths Funny, and I'm a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of his. I love him. I was listening to
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  Speaker 1: the episode, and you were sort of giving it to him, and.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my God, I love Josh.
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  Speaker 1: And then he kindly, graciously messaged us. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. And he spoke about us in such a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful way on his podcast. Well, he didn't block us. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't block us. He was so nice. Getting back
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  Speaker 1: to Shameless, I really felt for Zara because she described
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  Speaker 1: the moment that she realised that she was blocked. So
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  Speaker 1: she admitted that she went to have a stalk of
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  Speaker 1: the celebrity in question because they'd been popping up in
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  Speaker 1: the media quite a bit. And when she searched for
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  Speaker 1: their name, nothing came up. And initially she was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they've deleted their account or they've deactivated it. So
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  Speaker 1: she hopped in the Shameless Instagram account and she couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see it as well. And then she was like, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: I'll check if Michelle can see them. Michelle also could
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  Speaker 1: not see the account. So she's like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: we're definitely blocked. They actually did a live check on air.
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  Speaker 1: So their producer Gil was like, oh my God, can
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  Speaker 1: I see this person? She also couldn't see it. And also,
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  Speaker 1: The other employee, Div, could not see this celebrity as well.
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  Speaker 1: So what was Div's involvement in the whole thing? Like
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  Speaker 1: how did the celebrity know to block her too? They
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  Speaker 1: must have literally jumped on Shameless's website and been like,
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  Speaker 1: who is every single person that has some sort of
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  Speaker 1: profile that works here? I'm getting rid of them. All
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  Speaker 1: their producers, anyone who works for them is gone. I'm
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  Speaker 1: guessing maybe some of those producers had something to do
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  Speaker 1: with setting up different Shameless Instagram podcast accounts because when
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  Speaker 1: you go to block a page, you are given the
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  Speaker 1: option to block just the account or the account and
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  Speaker 1: all other accounts associated with it. Yeah. So when we've
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  Speaker 1: been blocked, sometimes I'm like, oh, maybe the influencer hasn't
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  Speaker 1: actually gone over to look at my personal account and
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  Speaker 1: I've just been caught in the crossfire because of the
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  Speaker 1: same connection to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 4: I see.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been confused about that because I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was like based on the IP that you set the
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  Speaker 1: account up on or something. Like it's all very technical.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless of what's happened here, it's clear that this
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  Speaker 1: celebrity was incredibly unhappy with what was said about them.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like recently, Shameless haven't been holding back, which
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  Speaker 1: I really love. They've actually been sharing... more of their
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  Speaker 1: opinions on topics and clearly that's ruffled some feathers. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if this will make them step back again because
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to be blocked by anyone else. I
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  Speaker 1: hope not because I feel like one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: they stopped talking about Aussie influencers was because they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to people please and they didn't want to look like
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  Speaker 1: they were bagging out people who were in the same
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  Speaker 1: circle as them because obviously when their show became really popular,
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  Speaker 1: they started getting invited to the same event. Well, they
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  Speaker 1: also interviewed a lot of that crowd on their podcast
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  Speaker 1: too and Coming from personal experience, it is really awkward
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  Speaker 1: when you've spoken about someone on your podcast and then
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  Speaker 1: you have them on as a guest. I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: had Indy Clinton on a couple of years ago and
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  Speaker 1: there was a bit of a joke back and forth
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  Speaker 1: about what we'd said about her in the past. She
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  Speaker 1: was a really good sport, but... It does make you
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  Speaker 1: feel a bit weird. You also feel like a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a loser because they know that you know so
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  Speaker 1: much about their life. You know what I mean? You're
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  Speaker 1: just like, oh yeah. The awkward thing for Michelle and
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  Speaker 1: Zara is they probably never expected this celebrity to hear
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  Speaker 1: what they said about them because there is still this
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  Speaker 1: mindset that celebrities aren't real people. Well, I think what
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  Speaker 1: makes it different now is TikTok because their TikTok is
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  Speaker 1: so popular and I think a lot of celebrities don't
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  Speaker 1: want to admit it, but their algorithm does feed them
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  Speaker 1: up content of themselves. So maybe this is how the
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  Speaker 1: celebrity came across it. Molly May has spoken a lot
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  Speaker 1: on her doco and also on her YouTube about how
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  Speaker 1: she sees all the content and all of the comments
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  Speaker 1: and how she hates it when her YouTube videos get
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  Speaker 1: clipped up on TikTok. And it's funny because when you search,
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  Speaker 1: like I know when you search Sarah's day on TikTok
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  Speaker 1: for a long time, it came up with our TikTok
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  Speaker 1: clip about her. And I was like, this is so
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  Speaker 1: awkward if she searched her own name.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is Michelle and Zara tried to keep
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  Speaker 1: things quite vague on their podcast, but they did drop
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  Speaker 1: a couple of breadcrumbs for us. So They confirmed that
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  Speaker 1: the blocker is very famous and has millions and millions
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  Speaker 1: of followers. They also confirmed that the celebrity is female.
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  Speaker 1: And Zara said she was really surprised by the block
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  Speaker 1: as she didn't think she spoke ill of the person
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  Speaker 1: and she really likes them. Michelle clearly disagrees with that
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  Speaker 1: because she was blaming Zara. That was Zara's fault. So
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  Speaker 1: she must have said something, you know, a little bit
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  Speaker 1: on the nose. Well, they seem to be rattled because
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  Speaker 1: they're like, which other celebrities have blocked us that we
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  Speaker 1: don't know about? Yeah. Look, we have been requested by
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  Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners to put our detective hats
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  Speaker 1: on and work this out. And you might be thinking, Sophie,
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  Speaker 1: you have a young child. You don't have the time
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  Speaker 1: to look into this. I do. I'm very petty. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you should have known me when I was single slash
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  Speaker 1: was dating because I could find anyone. And I have
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  Speaker 1: spent a considerable amount of time going into this. So
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  Speaker 1: I think I have the answer for everyone. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is the same person that was keeping a tally in
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  Speaker 1: her notes section. of how many times her ex-boyfriend had Snapchatted.
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  Speaker 1: So she was able to work out that he was
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  Speaker 1: messaging different girls. Like this is next level stalking ability.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember you were like, oh, he's definitely Snapchatting someone.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you know? That's a very 2015 thing. Look,
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  Speaker 1: it was a long time ago now. Yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: but it's still embarrassing. This seems fairly obvious to me,
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  Speaker 1: but it might not be to those who have a
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  Speaker 1: life or who haven't been blocked before. But I want
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  Speaker 1: to point out that if someone blocks you, it means
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  Speaker 1: you can no longer follow them and see their content.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't show up in your following list anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So the way I'm looking at this is it's very
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  Speaker 1: telling if both Michelle and Zara, as well as their team,
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  Speaker 1: don't follow a big celebrity anymore, particularly one that Michelle
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  Speaker 1: is a standoff. In saying that though, Zara said that
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  Speaker 1: she went and searched the celebrity to have a stalk.
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  Speaker 1: That made me think that she didn't originally follow this person. No,
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  Speaker 1: but the reason that Zara went to search for them
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  Speaker 1: was because she's like, oh, I haven't seen them for
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  Speaker 1: a while. Why isn't there stuff showing up for me? Now,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of listeners have been guessing that this could
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  Speaker 1: be Molly Mae. I can confirm Molly, who currently has
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  Speaker 1: a newborn baby, does not have the time or is
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  Speaker 1: she that petty to block every single member of the
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  Speaker 1: Shameless Media team? Because Michelle is in fact still following her.
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  Speaker 1: So it cannot be her. Can I throw a spanner
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  Speaker 1: in the works though? Do we think it's the actual
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  Speaker 1: celebrity that's done the blocking or their personal assistant? Because
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  Speaker 1: if it's a personal assistant, they've really gone the extra yard. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I like to think that it's the celebrity just for
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  Speaker 1: my own entertainment. Now, other Shameless listeners were concerned that
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  Speaker 1: it was Dua Lipa. So both girls are huge fans,
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  Speaker 1: in particular Zara. Zara even met her in the wild
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  Speaker 1: when the Shameless team were over in the UK and
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  Speaker 1: approached her and said, I really love your work. So
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  Speaker 1: people were like, oh my God, how awful would it
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  Speaker 1: be if it was her? Can confirm they're still following her.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not her. Taylor Swift was another guest. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do we really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do we really think? that Taylor, who has admitted to
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  Speaker 1: not even using Instagram and when the blocking occurred, it
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  Speaker 1: was the week of her wedding. Do we think that
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  Speaker 1: she's bothering to go on and block Shameless? I could
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  Speaker 1: actually see that. I think she's very savvy online and
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  Speaker 1: she always has these burner accounts that she follows fans
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  Speaker 1: in and she seems to have a finger on the
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  Speaker 1: pulse about what's being said about her online. Well, people
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  Speaker 1: are convinced that she's made up a fake account. following
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  Speaker 1: the wedding so she can keep up to date with
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  Speaker 1: what everyone's saying about her and she's dropped clues? God,
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  Speaker 1: I really hope not because people have been upset savage
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  Speaker 1: about the wedding online, but I don't understand why people
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  Speaker 1: would think that Taylor would block Michelle and Zara. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like they've never said anything critical about her. No,
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  Speaker 1: they have though, because I think they were kind of
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  Speaker 1: critical of her wedding saying, oh, there's no way she's
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  Speaker 1: going to get married in Madison Square Gardens. That's tacky. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: turns out it's not Taylor because they're still following her.
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  Speaker 1: It's also not Blake Lively, Alex Earle or Hailey Bieber.
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  Speaker 1: They were other celebrities that I thought it could potentially be.
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  Speaker 1: Some others thought maybe, again, that it was a huge
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  Speaker 1: Aussie influencer and they thought, oh, maybe it's Tammy Hembrough
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  Speaker 1: or Indy Clinton. Tammy and Indy are still being followed
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  Speaker 1: by the girls. One celebrity I really thought it could
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  Speaker 1: be was Ariana Grande. They did a couple of episodes
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  Speaker 1: about her eating disorder. But... Gil is still following her.
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  Speaker 1: So Michelle and Zara aren't. So I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, it must be her. No, but Gil is
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  Speaker 1: following her still. What about Anne Hathaway? One of the
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  Speaker 1: clips went viral where they were talking about her potential
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  Speaker 1: cosmetic surgery. My top guess is actually Selena Gomez. So
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  Speaker 1: the reason I think it could be Selena is it
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  Speaker 1: makes sense that Michelle would be so upset about it
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  Speaker 1: because Selena is Taylor Swift adjacent, being one of her
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  Speaker 1: good friends. And neither Zara, Michelle or the Shameless team
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  Speaker 1: are following her anymore. And I have quite a few
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  Speaker 1: reasons why I think it's Selena. Firstly, Zara mentioned that
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  Speaker 1: she went to look up the blocker because they were
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  Speaker 1: recently in the zeitgeist. Now, last week, of course, was
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's wedding. Everyone was talking about it and the
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  Speaker 1: car selfie that Selena Gomez uploaded ahead of the rehearsal dinner. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I think that Zara heard about this selfie and was like,
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  Speaker 1: why haven't I seen this? I need to look into
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  Speaker 1: this for the podcast. And then looked her up and
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my God, why can't I see her?
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  Speaker 1: Shameless also recently spoke about Selena's husband, Benny. So they
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  Speaker 1: spoke about this new podcast that he released and how
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  Speaker 1: it went viral for the wrong reason. And that is
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  Speaker 1: because everyone was talking about the fact that he had
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  Speaker 1: really dirty feet that you could see, like he was
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  Speaker 1: sitting on a couch and doing this podcast, all people
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  Speaker 1: could talk about were his dirty feet and also the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he paused mid-podcast to lift up his leg
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  Speaker 1: and his arse cheek to fart into the microphone. Let's
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  Speaker 1: throw to what Shameless said about it. The bottom of
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  Speaker 1: Benny's feet, he's not wearing shoes and they're sort of
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  Speaker 1: on the couch and they're quite dirty. These are dirty feet. Dirty, yeah. Unanimous,
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  Speaker 1: I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Like I can almost, I look at it and I
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  Speaker 2: can almost taste something. Oh, no, Michelle. Like they look
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  Speaker 2: so dirty like I can't. I didn't even want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about this.
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  Speaker 1: The couch is quite nice too.
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  Speaker 2: He also farted on mine.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Speak on that. Nothing to say.
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  Speaker 2: I want the best for Selena Gomez. She deserves love.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think they all do and I wish Benny
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  Speaker 1: Blanco the best, but the idea that you would lift
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  Speaker 1: your leg.
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  Speaker 2: Which he does.
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  Speaker 1: And he's sort of ass cheek and say, catch this, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: And he farts into the mic.
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  Speaker 3: So like dirty feet, then farting on Mike.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a little fart.
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  Speaker 4: Belly.
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  Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 1: By resharing this on our podcast, are we going to
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  Speaker 1: get blocked by Selena Gomez as well? Oh, potentially. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really like Selena Gomez, do you, Kate? I'm
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  Speaker 1: adding more fuel to the fire because she's your husband's
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  Speaker 1: celebrity crush. Look, it's not that I don't like her,
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  Speaker 1: but I've never been a massive fan of her. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when your husband says, oh my God, I
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  Speaker 1: love Selena Gomez, it does put you off the person
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I actually didn't realize that Selena Gomez
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  Speaker 1: had so many followers. I just looked her up on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram and She's got 404 million followers. I mean, how
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  Speaker 1: fucking offensive to be blocked by someone with that many followers. What,
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  Speaker 1: over a fart? Well, that plays into it, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: The only thing that's planting a seed of doubt in
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  Speaker 1: my mind that this could be Selena Gomez is the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Michelle blamed Zara for the block. Yet in
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  Speaker 1: this segment, Michelle was having a bit of a laugh
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  Speaker 1: about it too. However, she did say that she actually
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about the topic. So maybe there
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  Speaker 1: was a bit of an argument back and forth and
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  Speaker 1: Michelle was like, I don't want to be unfair to
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  Speaker 1: Selena's husband. It's making more and more sense to me
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  Speaker 1: that it is probably Selena because she's probably very protective
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  Speaker 1: of her husband. I mean, she can probably take negative
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  Speaker 1: feedback about herself. But when someone says something about the
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  Speaker 1: person you love, it does really rile you up. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like when Laura Byrne and Brit Hockley from
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  Speaker 1: Life Uncut unfollowed us because we did a segment where
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  Speaker 1: about Clementine Ford calling out Maddie J for a comedy sketch.
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  Speaker 2: That he did.
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  Speaker 1: To be fair, it's not like they actually blocked us.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think an unfollow was a step down from
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  Speaker 1: a full blocking. Yeah. And to be fair, if someone
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  Speaker 1: was bagging out my husband, I'd probably unfollow them too. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So you can see where Selina's coming from. That's the
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  Speaker 1: difficulty now with this push to promote your podcast online
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  Speaker 1: and share clips of you talking because That's how the
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  Speaker 1: celebrities and influencers know that you've spoken about them. It's
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  Speaker 1: not like Selena Gomez is tuning in to Shameless. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: one of the clips where they spoke about this went viral.
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  Speaker 1: She's been censored or seen it and the rest is history. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the other key suspect on my list is Lena Dunham.
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  Speaker 1: So she is an American writer, actress, producer and feminist.
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  Speaker 1: She's also another friend of Taylor who was at the
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  Speaker 1: rehearsal dinner. So again... She was popping up in the media.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was talking about her. Now, neither Zara, Michelle or
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  Speaker 1: the Shameless team are following her. And that is despite
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: them recently diving into her new memoir, Famesick. They also
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: did a bonus Shay Moore episode where they went further
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: into it and about her relationship with her ex, Jack Antonoff.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, did she date Jack Antonoff? I never
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: put two and two together. So he is, of course,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: one of the very famous songwriters that writes alongside Taylor Swift.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Shameless have spoken about Lena Dunham for years though. Like
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: I actually think they did a scandal series on her. Well,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: there is a clip of them recently being critical about
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: her not naming Lorde in her memoir. So for those
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: who aren't across it, it's speculated that Jack Antonoff had
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: an affair with Lorde when he was producing her album
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and they didn't like that she didn't refer to her
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: by name. So I wonder if she's seen this and thought,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: fuck you.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Block.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Who would you guys be more offended by? Lena Dunham
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: or Selena Gomez? Oh, definitely Selena. I mean, no shade
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to Lena, but Selena, well that rhymes, is the biggest
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: celebrity out of the two. I would actually be the
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: most offended by Anne Hathaway. Because she has such iconic movies.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Like imagine sitting down and re-watching The Princess Diaries and
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: being like, this woman unfollowed me and she hates me. Well,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of other celebrities who are on
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: my radar as well. So these are notable celebrities that
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Shameless and the host don't follow, who they've recently spoken
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: about and who you think they should follow. So again,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: as you said, Anne Hathaway, Olivia Wilde, Dakota Johnson, who
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of people say that Michelle looks like, Khloe Kardashian.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Carla Delevingne, Hilary Duff and Meghan Markle. Why would none
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of them be following Meghan? This is someone who I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: can see would do some blocking is Meghan Markle. I
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: haven't looked through who Michelle and Zara personally follow, but
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: do they follow a lot of big celebrities? They do.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: They follow a lot of big name celebrities. You would
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: assume they would follow someone like Megan purely to keep
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: up to date for the show. The Shameless podcast only
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: follows eight other accounts and they are Michelle and Zara
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and the podcast that they produce. But as you say,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: for Zara and Michelle, they follow a large amount of celebrities.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And I just think it's odd. that they aren't following
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: some of these big name celebrities who they've recently spoken about.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, unless they've got a burner account who they
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: follow everyone in, but that doesn't feel like them to me.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they're getting around with a burner account. Well,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking, but it's not like any
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: of the celebrities that you've referenced are particularly controversial ones.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Because I remember doing a big unfollow a couple of
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: years ago of influencers who I no longer align with,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: who I don't really want to personally support. But in
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: saying that, I want to follow them all in a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: burner account so I can keep across what they're doing
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: for this podcast. But it's not like any of these
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: celebrities that you've listed have done anything that controversial or
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that would, you know, that their listeners would say, oh,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Michelle's following Hillary enough. Like, why would she be following her? Yeah, exactly. Now,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: we're not quite as controlled as Shameless. We like to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: drop the influences who have blocked us, partially because it
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: feels like therapy. Should we go through some of the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: big names? I also think there's an element that it's
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: not as humiliating if you share it with everyone else. Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: There's not some dirty secret like, oh, I actually can't
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: see that person's stuff because they blocked us. The one
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that hurt the most, I think, was Olivia Rogers, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: have to say. That cut deep. That really did. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: love her. I followed Olivia.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I followed her for years and years. And I don't
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: think we've ever really spoken badly about her. And I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: know why she unfollowed us. It was off the back
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: of us posting a reel when her ex-husband, Justin McKeon,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: got into all that legal trouble and we used all
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that vision from their wedding. The ex-partners or partners seem
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to be the raw nerve and I totally get it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Another one that didn't really surprise me was Lily Brown.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: She blocked us after the whole smelly pyjama incident. Who
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: else is there? I've almost blacked it out. I can't remember. See,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: because of these situations, I've got on the front foot.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And I ended up blocking some celebrities from my own
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: personal account so that I can still follow them in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: my burner account for this podcast. Because if they were
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to seek me out and block all my accounts, then
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I'd never be able to view their content. So at
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: least I can do it in a different name, if
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I remembered one now, Jade Tunchi. So
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: she blocked us back in the day because, I mean,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to be fair, we were calling her the betrayer. after
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: her engagement, having a bit of a laugh about that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And now I love her and her mothering content. And
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: now I actually get the betrothed joke now that I actually,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: because at the time I was like, oh, she's not
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that funny. And then I'm like, no, she actually is
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: very funny. I think she unblocked us though because I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: can see her content again. Yeah. I think we blocked
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Sophie Keisha again to get on the front foot so
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: then she couldn't block us because I think after she
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: called us out on her Instagram story. Yeah. It's confusing
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: if we've blocked or they've blocked anyway. There is quite
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a list. One person I'm shocked that hasn't blocked us
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: is Sarah's Day. Oh, again, I think I blocked her
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: on my personal account too. Yeah. Maybe that's what Shameless
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: need to do. They need to go and block every
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: big A-lister just so they can see their content still.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: That's a bit of a tip from us. Block before
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you get blocked.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I'm going to a breakup and today feels a little
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: bit harder than the other days.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Olivia Mathers has confirmed her breakup from boyfriend of three years,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Jack Jeffers. The news came as a shock to Olivia's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: followers who expected the couple to soon be announcing their engagement. Kate,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: can you get listeners up to speed with who the
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: couple is? Well, Olivia is a model and influencer with
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: almost a million followers across Instagram and TikTok. And I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: was saying to you guys the other night, she is
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: top tier in terms of who I would like to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: look like. She is absolutely stunning. Her and her sister
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: are incredible. And I cannot believe they're not twins. They've
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: got a couple of years between them, but they look identical. Now,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Isabel Mathur's Olivia sister is, I suppose, the bigger influencer
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: out of the two. She's got nearly 3 million followers
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: across her platforms. One of them, again, I don't know
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: which one it is, which is hypocritical of me, but
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: they created a TikTok being like, I just have to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: point out there are two of us. Like a lot
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of people think there's only one of us, but there's two. Yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: we had an argument last night about it because you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: guys are like, oh no, they look different. And then
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I showed you a video of them together and you
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, What? There's a slight difference. A slight difference. Yeah. Well,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: in addition to modeling and influencing, Olivia also hosts a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: podcast alongside Miss Universe Australia finalist Bianca Black. Now, as
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: for Jack, he's a fitness influencer and personal trainer who
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: also doubles in modeling. He was voted the Gold Coast's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: best personal trainer by the Gold Coast Bulletin in 2022.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: So quite a glamorous couple. Now, Olivia and Jack, they
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: have been together, as we mentioned, for three years. And
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Jack has been a regular fixture in her content. But
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: now looking back at her content, knowing what we know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: there were a few signs that things weren't quite as
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: picture perfect as they may have seemed. So in February,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Olivia revealed to her TikTok followers that Jack actually ghosted
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: her 10 years ago. So she shared a reel of
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: her and Jack hugging in a pool with the label,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: me and the boy that ghosted me 10 years ago.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And she captioned the post, universe said, just wait. It
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: still blows my mind that someone would ghost someone like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Olivia Mathers. Like it just goes to show if you're
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in the dating trenches at the moment, And someone ghosts you.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It happens to absolutely everyone. Now, there was another red
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: flag in April. So Olivia shared behind the scenes footage
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of her and Jack shooting a sponsored video together. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Jack didn't seem happy with her at all. At one stage,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: she went up and said, oh, I'm sorry for being bossy.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And then he joked that she was a witch. He's like, witch, witch,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: she needs to be burnt. And I was like, God,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I would have cut that out of the clip. Well,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: there was another reel that went viral in April. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: in the video that now has 2.4 million views, Jack
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: told Olivia off for trying to put her head out
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of the sunroof while he was driving. So he essentially
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: told her off and said, you'll get a ticket for
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: doing this and that she shouldn't share the vision because
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Now, Olivia captioned the video,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Watch my boyfriend gentle parent my drunk ass. This video
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: popped up organically for me back in April. And I
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my God, this is so awkward. Why
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: would you post it? Because he looked so genuinely pissed off.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And there were quite a few people gushing about, oh
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: my God, this is so cute. And obviously Olivia thought
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: it was like nice enough to post. But the top
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: comment on the video said, what are you guys seeing?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: He looks so annoyed at her, which got 2.4 thousand likes.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: In his defense, that would be annoying, though, if you're
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: picking someone up drunk and they're being obnoxious. You know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I've done that before with an ex who constantly wanted
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: me to pick him up whilst he was drunk. And,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you know, it does great on you. Have you guys
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: seen that TikTok that's gone viral where this girl shared vision?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: of her boyfriend straight after he proposed. And he's like,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you can shut up now. I saw that. That was
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: so awkward. And she thought it was really funny. And
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: people are like, this is not the flex that you
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: think it is. There's another influencer, like a sort of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: micro influencer on TikTok, who I just had to go
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: through her whole feed of content because This video popped
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: up where she was doing a taste test in the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: car with him. And I'm thinking, just do it by
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: yourself because she's like, what do you think of that? Oh,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: look at that. That looks so good. He's like, it's okay. Like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: stop doing that and just paying her out. But I'm like,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: why would you upload that? The thing is, some of
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: these guys could actually genuinely be really nice behind the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: scenes and they might just be so irritated. about being
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: included in their partner's content. But then again, they should
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: probably just be supportive of what their partner wants to do.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I sometimes think though, like if you're lacking that awareness
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: that you've actually watched it back, edited and uploaded it,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and you still don't see that your boyfriend's being a
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: dick to you, what is he like behind closed doors? Well,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: getting back to Olivia, two weeks ago, she hinted that
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: something wasn't right. So she uploaded a video where she
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: mimed to the lyrics of All of your sweet talk,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: baby this, baby that, but your lies ain't working now.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, she took a page out of Tammy Hambro's book,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: didn't she? Yeah. Yeah. Despite that clue, fans were pretty
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: shocked when Olivia confirmed the news in a TikTok last week.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So in the video, she opened up that she was
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: having a difficult day and she quite bravely spoke about
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: how she's trying to avoid falling into the same pattern
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that she did with her last breakup when she started
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: binge eating and letting the wrong people get close to her.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Did you guys know she used to date Adam Sullivan?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Isn't he a lot older than her? So she's 29,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: nearly 30. Oh. Which surprised me. Wow, I did not
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: see them being together at all. That is bizarre. Let's
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: start a little bit of what Olivia had to say
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: about the breakup.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I really feel like the hardest sort of emotion to
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: process in this whole thing is just the grief for
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: where you thought you would be. Like, obviously... When you're
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: in a relationship, you're looking ahead. So I'm thinking five
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: years ahead. I'm already imagining my family. I'm visualising a wedding.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: It's kind of just like letting go of all these ideas. Like,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: why do we put emotional value and connection on things
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: that haven't even happened?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I feel so much for Olivia because... In the last year,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: she has made it really clear to her followers that
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: she's very ready to get married. So in October last year,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: she and Jack did a paid partnership with Cullen Jewelry
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: where they looked at engagement rings. Now, her sister, Isabel,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: got engaged in February to her boyfriend of 10 years,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: which I'm sure has added to the pressure of all
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of this. And Olivia has also been really vocal about
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the fact that she's ready to have children. In January,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: she said this on her TikTok.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like, for me personally, I'm 30 this year.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I've met my forever person or the person I want
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: to marry. And with my experience around my friends, kids,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: and everything that I have allowed myself to absorb, I
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: do somewhat feel ready, like emotionally ready at least. So
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: I just want to know, for the mums who felt
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: the same as me, how is it going?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh. So it seems like he definitely wasn't on the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: same page because he has given some bizarre quotes to
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the Daily Mail and it has made it seem like
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this breakup is all down to the fact that he
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: isn't ready to start a family and he wants to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: focus on his career. So he spoke to the Daily
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Mail and confirmed that they split up six weeks ago
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and I want to read out his full quotes to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: give full effect. He said,' We' re good. We just grew apart.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong. We're still hanging out. We're still chatting
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: a whole lot. It's just different goals. She's great. Everything's good.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: She was ready for a family and all that, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just ready for a career change, which doesn't quite fit.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I will be ready for a family one day, I guess.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Who knows?' He then went on to admit that the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: door isn't closed yet, but time will tell. He said,'
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I think we're both learning, that's for sure.' He also added,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: my goal personally is trying to figure out what I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: want to do as a career option. I built a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: pretty successful personal training business and I just didn't want
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: to do that anymore. And through the process of all
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of it, you know, it's tough trying to start again
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: at the age of 30. But my goal over the
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: next few months will just be to focus on that,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: keep fit and healthy, keep my friends close to me,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: work on my hobbies and interests, just be a genuine
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: human and just enjoy life but also work hard during
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the week. So reading between the lines, it seems like
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: he is keeping Olivia on the back burner for when
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: he is ready to have a family. I couldn't believe
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: it that this guy said all of this to the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail. Like what the fuck is he thinking? It's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: like did you have a brain fade when they called you?
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Like you're listing all of these things. It's almost like
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you're trying to sell yourself. I wonder if he didn't
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: realize the difference between an on the record comment and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: an off the record comment. Like it sounds like he
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: just chatted away and didn't realize that they could actually
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: take all these quotes and print them. I just feel
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: sorry for Olivia because it seems like he's pulled the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: pin because he didn't want to start a family and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: he was feeling a lot of pressure. Like this would
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: literally be a slap in the face that you go
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and air this dirty laundry to the Daily Mail. Well,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: surely that would be the nail in the coffin for her.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Surely she's seen that quote and is like, this guy
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: is clearly immature. He's just keeping me on the back
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: burner for when he decides he wants something. I mean,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: she's too good for this. I would not actually be
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: surprised if they get back together though. I think It's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: really difficult when you're about to turn 30. You think
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: your life's going in a certain direction. You know, you're
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: getting ready to be proposed to start a family and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: then someone pulls the rug from under you. Yeah, but
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it's quite clear that he doesn't want any of those
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: things just yet. So she may as well move on
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and find someone who is ready. Oh, I totally agree.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: But I think mentally it's hard to move on when
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you've got to rebuild again. Walking this band.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Since I was one, baby.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Adam Hyde's Bonds campaign has created a storm online. Last week,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the Peaking Ducks singer took over from Robert Irwin as
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the face of the iconic Aussie brand in its latest campaign. However,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the musician selection was not met with the same excitement. Instead,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: there have been calls for Hyde to be removed from
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the campaign. As soon as this campaign launched, the comment
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: section was so brutal. One person wrote, How do we
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: go from Robert Irwin to this clown? While another said,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'm now changing brands. I feel really bad because some
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of the comments were absolutely abhorrent, but one that did
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: make me laugh was someone saying that he looked like
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the Paddle Pop line because there is quite a similarity there.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I actually think that Bonds were trying to rage bait
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a bit with some of the photos and videos in
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: this campaign because I saw one photo that they shared
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: on Facebook and it was Adam lying across a set
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: of movie chairs in his jocks. And he had this
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: really embarrassed looking face and someone wrote, he looks like
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: he just jacked off in the movie theater and got
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: caught out. And this got like 10,000 likes. But I
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  Speaker 1: think it's almost because people no longer see him as
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a person now who's almost been made into this caricature
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: because of his association with Abby Chatfield. Oh, definitely. Now
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: off the back of all of that commentary, a petition
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: was then created calling for Adam to be removed from
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the campaign. So the petition in question has almost 3,000
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: signatures and it was created by an anonymous account called
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Concerned Aussie. Can you just imagine the person that did this?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I reckon they might vote for Pauline Hanson. I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you could be correct there. Now, they claimed that Adam
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be the face of the latest campaign because of, quote,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: deeply divisive and offensive comments he made. Now, this comment
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: in question relates to a now-deleted TikTok Adam and his
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: partner Abby Chatfield made back in September about the March
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: for Australia rallies. Now, for listeners not familiar with these rallies,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: they were a large anti-immigration protest and very politically charged.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: So thousands of Australians attended the rallies, which were organised
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: by people linked to far-right groups. Extremist figures also reportedly
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: attended some of the events and in a now deleted TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: Adam labeled the protesters as fucking moronic pieces of shit.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: He said to think that you're protesting against immigrants. That's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: not what's going on here. This is flat out racism
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  Speaker 1: and anyone that denies this is a fucking racist. He
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: then wanted to say, you're all bigots and pieces of shit.
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  Speaker 1: You're a stain on this country and shouldn't represent Australia
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  Speaker 1: at all. Unfortunately, this country is rooted and upheld within racism,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: so it's very on brand. You're all scum and need
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to do better. He also addressed a related incident that
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: occurred at a First Nations site called Camp Sovereignty in Melbourne.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Four Indigenous people were injured after the sacred Indigenous burial
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: site was allegedly attacked by neo-Nazis. Now, despite these comments
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: being made 10 months ago, People are viewing Bonds selecting
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Adam as an ambassador as a political statement, and they're
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: essentially accusing Bonds of siding with Adam and intern Abby
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Chatfield's political views. Look, it's not particularly surprising in this
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: social media climate that we're living in. I mean, it's
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: not the first time that we're seeing an advertising campaign
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: being turned into a culture war. We're at a stage
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: now where even neutral campaigns are getting analysed for these
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: hidden meanings, especially campaigns involving celebrities. Yeah, but I think
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: when you are selecting someone as an ambassador for your brand,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you are essentially saying that you align with that person's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: views and beliefs. I think though timing plays a role
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in how big this backlash has been because the campaign
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: came off the back of Karl Stefanovic being fired from
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Channel 9 and this was after his podcast interview with
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: UK far-right activist Tony Robinson. So there are rumblings within
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the right side of politics that people who support right
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: ideologies are being censored. Yeah, political commentator Lucy Zellick recently
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: claimed that there was a double standard when it came
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to Adam Hyde and Karl Stefanovic. She said it was
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: sheer hypocrisy that someone like Adam Hyde still gets endorsement
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: deals following his comments regarding the March for Australia. She
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: went on to claim that the only reason Adam wasn't
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: cancelled like Carl Stefanobic was because he's pushing a left-leaning
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: agenda rather than a right one. The thing I don't
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: get is why people are acting like Bonds has made
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: this big shift aligning itself with Adam Hyde, because Bonds
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: has been a progressive brand for years. They've released a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: gender-free collection. They introduced genderless online shopping browsing options. They
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: also have a pride collection.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's clear this was a strategic marketing decision
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: from Bonds. I mean, they knew what they were doing
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: when they picked Adam to be the face of this campaign.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: They were feeding into the algorithm just like they did
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: with Robert Irwin last year, because who could forget the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: photo that went viral of Robert Irwin holding a massive
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: snake while wearing Bonds jogs? I mean, the difficulty is
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that everyone loves Robert Irwin. Like, He is like Australia's sun.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: So it does seem then weird to swing to someone
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: who is quite divisive. But in saying that, he does
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: seem to align with the political views that Bonds does hold.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: So it does make sense as well. I actually think
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that this was a deliberate contrast in going from Robert
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: to Adam, because They want to expand their audience segments.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: And by picking someone divisive like Adam Hyde, they knew
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that they were going to create comments and shares, which
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: obviously drives engagement and that equals more views and media attention.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: And the thing is, despite causing backlash, the reality is
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: most existing customers stick around with a brand. I actually disagree, Kate.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I think that this could impact Bonds' bottom line due
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to the fact that they have been known for years
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: as an all-Australian brand. If you look back at some
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: of their past ambassadors, It's been the likes of Pat Rafter,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Michael Clark, Nick Kyrgios. They've been very sport focused. So
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people who have worn
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: bonds over the years don't necessarily fit into a left
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: wing category. There are a lot of people who are
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: part of the right that do shop at bonds and
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are angry and have been saying, well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: we're going to start buying tradie underwear. We'll ultimately have
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to agree to disagree because I personally think this is
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a successful campaign for bonds. I think a lot of
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: this online outrage really doesn't equate to the real world.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And I think what Bonds has succeeded in is people
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: are talking about their campaign. So they've increased brand awareness.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: And in doing so, they only have to enjoy short-lived controversy.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, people move on so quickly. It's been proven
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: that these types of controversies are unlikely to actually change
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: people's buying behaviors. And I think ultimately this campaign will
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: simply be remembered as one that created arguments online. Now,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: this is Amy coming to you from the future. Since
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: we stopped recording, Adam Hyde released a statement on the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: bonds campaign. He said, for some time now, I've been
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: targeted by a deliberate weaponization and misrepresentation of something I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: said almost a year ago that needs to be clarified.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I'm addressing this now because since coming home from tour,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: people I love have been threatened, harassed and verbally abused
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in public and it's now become a safety issue not
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: only for me but for those around me. I've seen
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: people claiming that I wish death upon anyone who disagrees
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: with me, that I have told everyday Australians to kill
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: themselves or have even threatened to harm people. These are
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: defamatory and entirely untrue claims against me. The video that
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: has been circulating has been edited, recontextualised and is missing
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the pivotal context of who I'm actually addressing. In reality,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the context of my quote was in direct response to
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a group of people alleged to be neo-Nazis for the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: unprovoked attack on the Indigenous protest site Camp Sovereignty on
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: August 31st, 2025. a group that was officially added to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the prescribed hate group list by the Australian government. This
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: attack included approximately 50 men allegedly storming up a hill
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: targeting women, throwing them to the ground and striking them
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in the head, resulting in four people requiring medical attention
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: with two people taken to hospital. These people were also
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: allegedly chanting white man's land and white power along with
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: misogynistic slurs. If you want to know more about what
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I was reacting to, here's a link. This wasn't directed
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to everyday Australians, nor was this addressed to everybody at
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: the March for Australia, and certainly not aimed at people
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: who simply disagree with me. The wording I chose was
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: far from eloquent, and reacting in such a manner is
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: not conducive to anything positive. I take full accountability for that. However,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I believe this is critical context as to what and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: who the comments were in regards to. He then goes
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: on to quote what he actually said in the video,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: which is what we said in the podcast. The statement
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: went on to say, if you're mad at me for
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: being viscerally frustrated, heartbroken and disappointed that in Australia in 2025,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: there were groups of people reported to be neo-Nazis storming peaceful,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: innocent protest camps and severely harming innocent Australians for no reason,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: then by all means be mad at me. I love
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Australia and I'm all for love, but I do hate neo-Nazis.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: If you made it this far, thank you for reading.
• 39:51
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• 39:54
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• 39:56
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• 40:12
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