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Jags Drive Time: Monday, November 2 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jaguars. Did you do Jack, Jack Warris, did you know
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time right and sex steps to John. Actually,
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time starts right now. Good morning, a happy Monday.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into Jaguars Drive Time. We often stid and we
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Speaker 1: are ready for the second half of the season, coming
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Speaker 1: off the bye week. Here on Jack's Drive Time, I'm
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Speaker 1: here with Brian Sexton and John Osier. Brian, are we rested?
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Speaker 1: Are we relaxed? Are we refreshed? Uh? Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: last week, you know, working from home where there's really
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Speaker 1: not a lot of work to do, it was it
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Speaker 1: was nice, it was steady. Uh, you know, a little here,
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Speaker 1: a little there. I think I got ahead for the
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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. People may not know. I'm a
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Speaker 1: type a personality. I have a to do list. I'm
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Speaker 1: constantly checking things and trying to move ahead, make sure
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Speaker 1: I'm ahead on things where I can be. So I
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm ahead for the next two weeks, and
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Speaker 1: that's always a good feeling. Indeed, John, how's the to
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Speaker 1: do list looking? The two list is in good shape.
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Speaker 1: I still have a dog visit at some point this week,
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Speaker 1: but uh that we're in good shape. So I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: raring to go, Shlyn. I love to hear it. The
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Speaker 1: enthusiasm is here this morning. And if you guys did
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Speaker 1: not know, a lot of news happened during the bye week.
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Speaker 1: So let's get to a big thing. One is quarterback,
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Speaker 1: So this happened while we were away. Garter Minshew has
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Speaker 1: suffered three fractures and a sprained ligament in his right
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Speaker 1: thumb reported by Adam schefdur Ian Rappaport last week in
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Speaker 1: his throwing hand. So obviously this is a major, big deal. Believed.
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Speaker 1: You will be inactive on Sunday, which means Mike Glennon
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Speaker 1: and Jake Luke compete this week at practice for the
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Speaker 1: starting job. One will start, one will back up, is
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Speaker 1: to be believed. So this is major news this week
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Speaker 1: that we will talk much more about. Big thing too
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Speaker 1: is quarterback acts plural, Lamar Jackson, Josh Alan, Joe Burrow.
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Speaker 1: You get the point. The a f C is loaded
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Speaker 1: with exciting young quarterbacks. The Jaguars have to get there.
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Speaker 1: So we've talked about this in the past, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk about it in the future. We're gonna talk about
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Speaker 1: it today. This is major news for the Jaguars. And finally,
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Speaker 1: Big Thing three is Marone magic question Mark? What can
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Speaker 1: you pull out of his hat to ignite this team?
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Speaker 1: This team after the bye week fired up last week
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Speaker 1: when we spoke to him, every game was the most
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Speaker 1: important game of his career going forward, he said, he
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Speaker 1: said he's gonna change some things up the second half
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Speaker 1: of the season. So let's go back up to the top.
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Speaker 1: Big thing one the quarterback Gardner Mins, who suffered injuries
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Speaker 1: and his throwing hand. So that it happened week two
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Speaker 1: against Houston, and it was kind of a miscommunication with
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Speaker 1: the team on when it happened and why Gunner wasn't
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Speaker 1: more vocal at the start. But Brian, this week at
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Speaker 1: practice you have Jake Lewton and Mike Lennon at quarterback
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Speaker 1: fighting for the starting job. How do you see the
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Speaker 1: shaking out? Well? So, actually, if if I could be
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Speaker 1: the coach or the general manager, I'd want to be
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Speaker 1: the general manager. I want to be the guy making
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Speaker 1: the big picture decisions. And this is a really big
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Speaker 1: picture decision. Mike Lennan in his time in the NFL
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Speaker 1: has been a consistent backup. That's what he is. This
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Speaker 1: is his fifth NFL team in his eighth NFL season.
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Speaker 1: You know what he is now. Jake Luton flashed a
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Speaker 1: little bit during whatever preseason there was. We didn't get
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Speaker 1: to see him any games, so flash is a relative term.
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Speaker 1: I'd put him out there. I'd want to see what
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Speaker 1: he is. It still wouldn't stop me. I am convinced
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Speaker 1: you cannot take me otherwise. Down another road, the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: will use their highest draft choice on a quarterback next
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Speaker 1: was it April or May? I don't know where they
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Speaker 1: pushed it back or where it is. Next spring they
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Speaker 1: will use a draft pick on a quarterback, and we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about a big thing too. You gotta have your quarterback. Um,
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Speaker 1: But I no offense. If I'm the coach, I want
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Speaker 1: to win, So maybe I lean towards Mike Glennon. But
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Speaker 1: I just told you I would rather be the general manager,
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Speaker 1: and I would rather see what I have and position
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Speaker 1: myself to be able to make a good decision in
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Speaker 1: the spring next year. So I say, um, I say
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Speaker 1: you go with the kid from Oregon State. Know when
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Speaker 1: I'm with you and you say no offense? But John,
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Speaker 1: I keep going back to training camp. We were talking
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Speaker 1: at times that Jake Lewton through the best ball and
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Speaker 1: at times looks like the most exciting quarterback. We didn't
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Speaker 1: get to see him in preseason, but there were many
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Speaker 1: days in a row where he was the buzz of camp.
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Speaker 1: So you say no offense, but John it almost at
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Speaker 1: times looked like he is the best option. I'd be
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Speaker 1: stunned if it's not Jake Luton on Sunday. I just
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Speaker 1: don't see a scenario where coach GM whatever you are,
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Speaker 1: didn't make sense. And schlenn we all talked about it.
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Speaker 1: If you had just walked out to practice during training
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Speaker 1: camp and had no idea taking the numbers off, taking
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Speaker 1: the jerseys off, had no idea who was supposed to start,
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Speaker 1: you would have assumed that Jake Lewton was the starter
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Speaker 1: and the best quarterback in camp. And that doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: it translates to the field and all that. But um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it will be Jake Luton Sunday,
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Speaker 1: and I think there's a very good chance it will
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Speaker 1: be Jake Luton the rest of the season. I don't
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Speaker 1: see any point in going to Glennon. If you're saying
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Speaker 1: no offense, it's no offense to Glennon, who is a
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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback for a long period of time. But you
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Speaker 1: know what he is, so uh, you know, competition, I
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Speaker 1: don't know how you compete in two days for the job.
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Speaker 1: I think that's something they need to say, But I
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Speaker 1: would be surprised if it's not Jake Luten on sundaysh
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Speaker 1: Line and here you're gonna hear from ahead, Brian. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: here's here's where they could be better with Luton um
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Speaker 1: After the game the Wednesday, after the game in Cincinnati,
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Speaker 1: Jake Gruden let us in. People were listening closely. You
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Speaker 1: know they heard they heard between the lines if you will,
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Speaker 1: uh that the quarterback that was playing at the time,
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew is short and struggled in that game to
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Speaker 1: see what was going on. And I thought there were
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Speaker 1: times in the game against the Chargers in Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: that he struggled to see what was going and held
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Speaker 1: the ball too long because he was trying to decipher
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Speaker 1: what was going on around him where he couldn't see.
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Speaker 1: This kid, Luton is big. I mean he's nearly six
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Speaker 1: ft seven and has a big arm to go with it.
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Speaker 1: He'll be able to see what's going on down the field.
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Speaker 1: Now again, he's never played in an NFL game, preseason
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Speaker 1: or otherwise, so to expect big things from him is
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Speaker 1: probably too big of a concept, too big of an ask.
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Speaker 1: But you may see him get rid of the ball
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Speaker 1: quickly and identify receivers faster because he has that advantage
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Speaker 1: of six or seven inches on Gardner. Minshew, you're right, Brian.
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Speaker 1: He is the prototypical body of an NFL quarterback. And
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Speaker 1: we mentioned that he has no game experience and John,
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Speaker 1: I hate to look at it this way, but at
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Speaker 1: times it is true. With this losing record, and you
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Speaker 1: look at Jake Luton, it's almost like, what do you
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Speaker 1: have to lose? Like, go put him out there, go
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Speaker 1: see what happens. I know that's not the correct way
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Speaker 1: to look at it, but that's what I keep thinking,
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Speaker 1: is you might as well put him out there and
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Speaker 1: see what happens. I'm not sure there is another way
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Speaker 1: to look at it. I think you're fine. I don't
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Speaker 1: think you have to go to sleep with guilt tonight
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Speaker 1: for saying at Shelin. I think you're fine with it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you're one in six. You've
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Speaker 1: lost six straight games. The defense is struggled, but the
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Speaker 1: offense is also struggled the defense. You know, the offense
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Speaker 1: has struggled at key times. We've all talked about it. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, the kids got a a very good arm.
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Speaker 1: People in the Pac ten thought he was underdrafted. They
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Speaker 1: thought that he was a NFL quarterback. You've got overlooked
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Look the Gardner Mitchi was a sixth
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Speaker 1: round pick. These kids a sixth round pick. There's no
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Speaker 1: law that says he can't be good. Let's see what
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Speaker 1: he's got. And yes, Sheln, what do he had to lose?
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Speaker 1: You're one in six. Go for it now, Brian, this
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Speaker 1: is looking way, way way in advance. But what if
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Speaker 1: Jake Luton comes out here lights it up a little
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Speaker 1: bit of like we saw with minshewe magic when he
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Speaker 1: went in for Nick Foles. Then what happens? Then maybe
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Speaker 1: you have somewhat of an answer at quarterback. But I
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Speaker 1: know you're gonna say you still have to draft a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: no matter what if Jake Luten looks like the best
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL, you still have to address that
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Speaker 1: the off season. Yeah. Look, uh, John asked the question hypothetically,
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Speaker 1: what do you have to lose? Uh, you have to
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Speaker 1: lose a shot at by the three quarterbacks at the
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Speaker 1: top of the draft. To be honest with you, I've
8:37
Speaker 1: heard I forget who it was over the weekend a podcast.
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Speaker 1: Oh it was Bucky Brooks. Who you do the Wednesday
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Speaker 1: afternoon doing show with the Daniel Jeremiah on moving the sticks.
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Speaker 1: And they think right now that Lawrence Fields and the
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Speaker 1: Lance kid, Trey Lance from North Dakota State could go one,
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Speaker 1: two and three. Right, Um, this is a year where
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Speaker 1: there are quarterbacks at the top of the draft. So
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Speaker 1: if you're not a good football team and in need
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Speaker 1: of a quarterback, it's not a bad year. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it's a very good year to play out the season
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Speaker 1: and accept what you are and then go and solve
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Speaker 1: that problem next spring. Right you can call it tank
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Speaker 1: for Trevor or the old suck for Luck or whatever
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Speaker 1: you want to do. I'm not intimated that they are
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Speaker 1: doing that. This is a good year if you need
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Speaker 1: a quarterback to get the quarterback. So you do have
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Speaker 1: something to lose if you go out there and win
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Speaker 1: four games or five games, which would be outrageous performance
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Speaker 1: from Jake Luton. I mean it would be huge, but
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Speaker 1: it would be bad for your franchise because it's pushing
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Speaker 1: you down the ladder, and this franchise has done it
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Speaker 1: way too often over the years. They have fallen away
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Speaker 1: from where quarterbacks were to win five games, Oh boy,
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Speaker 1: five games, not a playoff team, get your quarterback. As
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Speaker 1: I watched yesterday, I saw um Lamar Jackson and Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen and even too who did not have a huge
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Speaker 1: day statistically, but I watched a couple of throws and
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Speaker 1: him moved in the pocket and went wow. I'll talk
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Speaker 1: about Drew Locket headlines in the way he played in
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Speaker 1: the second half. And you just look all over the
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Speaker 1: a f C and there's exciting young quarterbacks. I'm tired
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Speaker 1: of not having one in Jacksonville. This is the year
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Speaker 1: to get your quarterback, not to win five games. Yeah,
10:22
Speaker 1: we're at the point of the season. We have to
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Speaker 1: start at least addressing somewhat the draft position of the
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Speaker 1: off season. So I am with you, Brian, those are
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Speaker 1: Got a hot take for you? Yeah, and I think
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Speaker 1: this is the best matchup left on the schedule. Look,
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Speaker 1: I mean if you really wanted to look at Luton
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Speaker 1: and say he's your guy going forward and see him
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Speaker 1: maybe you would be able to say, Okay, he's making
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Speaker 1: some strides. But when you look at the matchups left,
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Speaker 1: I mean beyond this one. And by the way, the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars have never beaten Deshaun Watson when he has started
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Speaker 1: against him. He came in and finished Opening Day, but
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Speaker 1: they have lost the last five times they have faced
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson by an average of fourteen points. Why do
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Speaker 1: I say that this is a good matchup on Sunday?
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Speaker 1: It's a division game, and three games ago it was
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Speaker 1: thirteen twelve and the Jaguars failed on a fourth pardon me,
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Speaker 1: on a two point conversion late in the fourth quarter
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Speaker 1: and had a chance to win that ballgame. But other
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Speaker 1: than that, Deshaun Watson has befuddled them. But it is
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Speaker 1: a division game and they're not playing very well, so
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Speaker 1: I think that is But you just look at the quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that they face coming up at the Packers
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Speaker 1: playing really well. Ryan Tannehill has played exceptionally well for
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Speaker 1: the Titans this year. You get Lamar Jackson, we saw
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Speaker 1: what he's capable of yesterday, and the Nick Foles and
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, I mean, the cornerbacks alone make this a
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Speaker 1: murderers row of a schedule for a Jaguars team that's
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Speaker 1: not playing well anywhere right now and potentially starting a
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Speaker 1: sixth round rookie quarterback who didn't get any time in
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Speaker 1: the preseason. The Jaguars face a division team that they
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Speaker 1: know well on Sunday. I think this is the best
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Speaker 1: matchup left on the schedule for them. Doesn't mean they
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Speaker 1: can't win any of those other games, but if you're
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Speaker 1: looking at one and going there, the Jaguars are going
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Speaker 1: to get this one. This one on Sunday would be
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Speaker 1: the one to say that about very very true. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you can say we're gonna get
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Speaker 1: this one for any of them, but I agree with you,
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Speaker 1: this week looks to be the most probab All right,
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Speaker 1: John Oser, what do you have for your hot take? Well,
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Speaker 1: hot pake is don't rule out the possibility Minshew has
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Speaker 1: started the last game this season. Um, and again, you
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Speaker 1: know I've gotten emails. You know, why do you in
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Speaker 1: sex then hate Gardner? Minshew? Why are you guys so
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Speaker 1: down on him? It's all I hear. Um, this is
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Speaker 1: not an anti Minshew take necessarily. It's just that right now,
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Speaker 1: if Luton or if Glennon, and I'm not gonna rule
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Speaker 1: it the possibility that Glennon starts, but if one of
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Speaker 1: those guys comes in and plays well, and the offense
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Speaker 1: looks like it can go down field, if it looks
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Speaker 1: better doing some of the things that we've all talked about,
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Speaker 1: the Gardener doesn't do. You know, sometimes in the NFL
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Speaker 1: there's this adage you don't lose your job due to injury.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's necessarily what this is. I
15:53
Speaker 1: don't know that it comes into play here. I think
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Speaker 1: if Luton or Glennon, or if the offense looks better,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's an automatic where you go
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Speaker 1: back to Mensia and you know it's not breaking news,
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Speaker 1: but this is not a case where if Aaron Rodgers
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Speaker 1: gets hurt, you're going back to him automatically. I don't
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Speaker 1: sense that's the case here. But I do get the
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Speaker 1: idea this quarterback position for nine games. Bucko up, we're
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Speaker 1: gonna be watching it, right, Can I jump in here? Ashland?
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Speaker 1: And I know you're gonna get to your hot takes
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Speaker 1: a couple of things. First of all, in in the
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Speaker 1: in during the blame Gabbert Era, I took a lot
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Speaker 1: of heat for believing in blame Gabbert. I saw the
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Speaker 1: physical package and understood, you know, he was a smart guy,
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Speaker 1: and I kept looking forward and people hated that. Right
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Speaker 1: and now you look, I mean he had all the
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Speaker 1: physical characteristics and Gardner has none of the physical characteristics.
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Speaker 1: So if you wait too long, uh well, you just
16:50
Speaker 1: loved him too much. And if you jump when it's
16:53
Speaker 1: right now, you just don't like it very much. I
16:55
Speaker 1: said it last week. I'll say it again every week
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Speaker 1: that he's in Jacksonville. It's not personal. We need to
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Speaker 1: see a quarterback in jackson Bill that it can be
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Speaker 1: the man. I don't see that when I look at
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshoe. So it is absolutely no hate involved. I
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Speaker 1: liked him very much as a person. A little bit
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Speaker 1: of interaction that we had with him last year before
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Speaker 1: we went virtual this year. It's not hate folks. You
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Speaker 1: gotta have the quarterback forget Hey, it's a business. This
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Speaker 1: is pro ball. It is not college football. It's all
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Speaker 1: about having the man, and the Jaguars have to find
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Speaker 1: their man. John one other point, and you you kind
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Speaker 1: of alluded to it. You said, you know, I don't
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Speaker 1: think he won the job. He can't go back to
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Speaker 1: the job that he didn't win. He had the first
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Speaker 1: seven weeks to say that's Gardner Minshoe's job. He didn't
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Speaker 1: win it. So it's not like he's losing his job.
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Speaker 1: His claim this year was to claim it for himself.
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Speaker 1: He couldn't do it. Put Luton in there now. And
17:47
Speaker 1: you know the other thing is that thumb. It didn't
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Speaker 1: just heal itself. You know, in two weeks or ten days,
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Speaker 1: he could have trouble gripping the ball of the rest
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Speaker 1: of the way. This could be a lingering issue for him.
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Speaker 1: So he's got to take care of himself and his
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Speaker 1: future and make sure that he gets fixed right and
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Speaker 1: doesn't try to rush it back. Mm hmm. Couldn't agree more.
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Speaker 1: Would be a totally different story if this team had
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Speaker 1: four or five wins and he was playing well and
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Speaker 1: it looked to be somewhat like he was the guy,
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Speaker 1: but that's not where we are right now, all right,
18:14
Speaker 1: my Bernie Wood fire Girl hot take plays a little
18:16
Speaker 1: bit into big thing three, which was what can round
18:19
Speaker 1: to turn this team around? Get ready for a team
18:21
Speaker 1: going for it on fourth down for the rest of
18:24
Speaker 1: this season. Doug Ron says he's done crazier things before
18:28
Speaker 1: than going around and turning this team around. He's seen
18:30
Speaker 1: it at Syracuse beating the odds and his as we're
18:34
Speaker 1: going outside the box for the rest of the season. Gardner,
18:38
Speaker 1: Minshew and company spoke after the Charges game about how
18:41
Speaker 1: much they love that Dug Marone went for it on
18:43
Speaker 1: fourth down and went for it on two point conversion
18:46
Speaker 1: and said, we love when our coach puts trust in us.
18:49
Speaker 1: That is not just a one week thing. I expect
18:51
Speaker 1: that for the rest of this season, and frankly, you
18:53
Speaker 1: have to with this roster the way it is, and
18:55
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear hopefully some updates on injuries. You're at
18:59
Speaker 1: the point where you have to be aggressive. You have
19:01
Speaker 1: to take chances. The players seem to like get Dug
19:04
Speaker 1: Brown said, buckle up. It's going to be a crazy
19:06
Speaker 1: nine weeks. So Brian, it plays into a little, a
19:09
Speaker 1: big thing. Three doun Ron is forced to be aggressive,
19:12
Speaker 1: but I think he's okay with it. The players soon
19:15
Speaker 1: be okay with it. So fourth downs, two point conversions,
19:19
Speaker 1: Lavisca and the slot Lavisca taken snaps. I don't I
19:22
Speaker 1: don't care what it is, but it's gonna be a
19:24
Speaker 1: crazy couple of nine weeks. They're gonna have to get creative. Well,
19:28
Speaker 1: John and I were covering the league in two thousand
19:30
Speaker 1: and eight, and you were living in South Florida, I
19:32
Speaker 1: believe at that time when Tony Sperrano, the late Tony Sperrano,
19:36
Speaker 1: who's Sun by the way, is on the Jaguar staff.
19:38
Speaker 1: So if you want to start connecting dots grabbed David Lee,
19:41
Speaker 1: who was his quarterbacks coach, who had been at Arkansas
19:43
Speaker 1: the year before, and they came up with the Wildcat
19:47
Speaker 1: and they went into New England and Ronnie Brown, a
19:50
Speaker 1: running back, took direct snaps. I think he scored four
19:52
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns that night and through another one and they
19:55
Speaker 1: clambered the Patriots and they beat him thirty eight to thirteen. Um.
19:59
Speaker 1: That was the Wildcat era, and it was fun and
20:04
Speaker 1: it was different because you know, it wasn't a very
20:06
Speaker 1: good Dolphins team and they didn't have a quarterback and
20:08
Speaker 1: they had to try something different. Well, the Jaguars find
20:11
Speaker 1: themselves in that position. You know, the quarterback that they
20:13
Speaker 1: did have has a broken thumb, and they've got a
20:15
Speaker 1: rookie who's never played it down in any kind of
20:17
Speaker 1: NFL game, So why not at least put the opportunity
20:20
Speaker 1: out there to use Labisca? And that was the name
20:22
Speaker 1: that came to mind, or anyone else for that matter.
20:25
Speaker 1: Maybe James Robinson's played a little quarterback somewhere in his
20:28
Speaker 1: football pass. He's had such a good year, why not? Yeah,
20:32
Speaker 1: and John, I can't help it go last night? What
20:36
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20:41
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20:55
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20:57
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Speaker 1: what do you got for us? While I understand the
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Speaker 1: state of the franchise as it pertains to this season,
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Speaker 1: any chance you can see us as buyers during the
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Speaker 1: trade deadline if there were a corner, defensive tackle, or
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Speaker 1: tight end that would help next year, John, the trade
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Speaker 1: deadline is tomorrow afternoon, so if so, they better get busy. Well,
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Speaker 1: if there's gonna be something that happened, it would probably
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Speaker 1: happen tomorrow as the trade deadline approach. I don't see
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars as buyers. I kind of get the point
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Speaker 1: of the question if there was a young guy he
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Speaker 1: thought might help in the future. I don't think they're
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Speaker 1: gonna be trading to bring players in. And I also
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Speaker 1: don't know that there's anybody left to trade and try
24:31
Speaker 1: to trade for draft picks. They've already done that, so
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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if there's a movement, maybe something minor
24:37
Speaker 1: for a draft pick coming in. But I don't see it.
24:42
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing you look at it is
24:43
Speaker 1: if there was a Minka Fitzpatrick kind of guy. But
24:45
Speaker 1: if you were called, that cost the dealer is a
24:47
Speaker 1: top ten pick and the Jaguars aren't going to give
24:49
Speaker 1: that up. Anything else that is available you'll find in
24:53
Speaker 1: the draft. Next year you'll get your own. You'll protect
24:55
Speaker 1: your salary structure because remember, when you trade a pick
24:59
Speaker 1: for a player, you're all so trading cap room, right,
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Speaker 1: sound financial processes away to take on someone else's contract
25:08
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to either pay or re up
25:10
Speaker 1: and pay. It's much better to go get your own,
25:13
Speaker 1: unless there is that special guy, I mean, make a
25:16
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick has been a star for the Steelers, and the
25:18
Speaker 1: Dolphins just threw him overboard. They got a top ten
25:20
Speaker 1: pick for but they you know, you're not going to
25:22
Speaker 1: see that kind of thing happen. And the Jaguars aren't
25:24
Speaker 1: trading their top ten pick next year. They're drafting a quarterback.
25:28
Speaker 1: No new and the Jaguars are in a good situation
25:31
Speaker 1: with their caps. So I agree, leave it the way
25:33
Speaker 1: it is for now. All right, here we go, Chapel Hill, Gabe,
25:37
Speaker 1: please tell me that if the Jaguars have one of
25:39
Speaker 1: their top two picks of the draft, they won't pass
25:42
Speaker 1: on a quarterback based on the belief that Minshew is
25:45
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback who would have proven himself if it
25:48
Speaker 1: had not been for this thumb injury. Well, rest easy game,
25:56
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. That's not what this is. Yeah,
26:00
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be you know, cute in that answer.
26:04
Speaker 1: I've gotten a couple like this, you know, people who
26:06
Speaker 1: aren't quite you know, engage with it. That's not what
26:11
Speaker 1: this is. This is not a case where the Jaguars
26:15
Speaker 1: are going to look at it and say, well, Minshew
26:18
Speaker 1: had a lot of these great before the thumb injury.
26:22
Speaker 1: He the arms strength was pre thumb. The questions that
26:27
Speaker 1: unfortunately for him, dog him were pre thumb. This is
26:30
Speaker 1: not a case where you're not sure what he is.
26:32
Speaker 1: So I don't think that's a concern. You know, It's
26:37
Speaker 1: not a case where all of a sudden things are
26:39
Speaker 1: going to change. Right when I was a kid and
26:41
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a journalist, I admired Peter Jennings.
26:43
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Peter Jennings and sit on the
26:45
Speaker 1: set of ABC World News. Tonight was a long time ago, folks,
26:49
Speaker 1: things were much different. Um, but I was never gonna
26:52
Speaker 1: be that guy, right Uh. Instead of a football broadcaster
26:56
Speaker 1: and I'm working in Jacksonville, Florida and enjoying my life,
26:59
Speaker 1: the same thing is going to be. The truth for
27:01
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew is that he is not a franchise quarterback.
27:05
Speaker 1: I think he's going to play in the NFL for
27:06
Speaker 1: a number of years. I've likened him, I think to
27:10
Speaker 1: Jeff Garcia. I think he can find himself in the
27:14
Speaker 1: right spot here or there and do some fun things.
27:17
Speaker 1: But he's not the elite guy. It doesn't make him
27:19
Speaker 1: a bad person. It doesn't mean he can't play in
27:21
Speaker 1: the league. It just means he's not the elite guy.
27:23
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's looking at him now and
27:25
Speaker 1: going well, maybe he'll show us the second half of
27:27
Speaker 1: the season, if he gets healthy, or maybe in Gardner
27:31
Speaker 1: Minshew will show us that he can be the elite guy.
27:33
Speaker 1: He's just not. It's just the truth is the truth
27:36
Speaker 1: is the truth, and it's the pure defense. It's time
27:38
Speaker 1: for this franchise to go find their franchise quarterback. The
27:41
Speaker 1: good news for them is in this year in which
27:43
Speaker 1: they are not very good on the field, there is
27:46
Speaker 1: very or there are very good options available to them
27:49
Speaker 1: in next springs draft. The sample size is what it
27:53
Speaker 1: is for Gardner Minshe. They've seen a lot of games
27:56
Speaker 1: from him, and it is truth be told. Agree with you, Brian.
27:58
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Chris. Considering the Jaguars have
28:01
Speaker 1: given up thirty plus points in six straight games, is
28:05
Speaker 1: this the worst team the franchise has ever fielded? The
28:07
Speaker 1: results are unbelievable. It seems like the offense is too
28:11
Speaker 1: talented to let this happen. John Well, I don't think
28:16
Speaker 1: it's the worst, and I'm getting a lot of this
28:18
Speaker 1: because everybody's sort of hooked on the thirty points in
28:22
Speaker 1: six straight games. Remember this is a much different offensive
28:27
Speaker 1: era overall around the league than it was in the nineties,
28:31
Speaker 1: even the two thousands, So you know, yes, they're giving
28:34
Speaker 1: up an absurd number of points, but in this day
28:38
Speaker 1: and age, if if you're bad on defense, you're going
28:41
Speaker 1: to give up a lot more points than if you
28:43
Speaker 1: were bad on defense in two thousand one or whatever
28:46
Speaker 1: the year you want to pick out. And I also
28:48
Speaker 1: think there's so much more young talent on this team
28:53
Speaker 1: then there has been on some past struggling Jaguars teams.
28:58
Speaker 1: Maybe the record won't wind up showing me right, but
29:01
Speaker 1: I think there is more on this team to give
29:04
Speaker 1: you hope going forward, and there has been on some
29:07
Speaker 1: past Jaguar scene You're exactly right, John. The two thousand
29:11
Speaker 1: twelve roster, if you go back and look at it, uh,
29:14
Speaker 1: was bereft of talent. There just wasn't much there. Uh.
29:18
Speaker 1: This roster, as we have talked about, has lots of
29:20
Speaker 1: good young talent. The problem is people want to look
29:23
Speaker 1: at a blanket. They want to say two thousand twelve
29:25
Speaker 1: or two thousand sixteen or two thousand and twenty, and
29:28
Speaker 1: they don't look at individual situations. And if you go
29:30
Speaker 1: back and look in the game against Houston a couple
29:33
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, have the Jaguars offense been able to
29:36
Speaker 1: function inside the red zone? You have a different outcome, right, Uh,
29:40
Speaker 1: same thing at moments of the ball game in Los Angeles.
29:43
Speaker 1: That's where the quarterback comes back in people. The quarterback,
29:47
Speaker 1: the trigger man, makes it all work. He overcomes situations
29:52
Speaker 1: where the defense might be weak, right, but gives them
29:55
Speaker 1: the ball inside, the scores a touchdown, then takes over
29:58
Speaker 1: the game. The quarterback make is it all go. The
30:01
Speaker 1: one thing we know about the worst teams in Jaguars
30:03
Speaker 1: history twelve sixty, right, they didn't have a quarterback. Mhm.
30:09
Speaker 1: And you're starting to see those draft picks from two thousand,
30:11
Speaker 1: seventeen and two thousand and eight teens start hitting their stripes.
30:14
Speaker 1: So there is potential on this roster and hopefully future years.
30:18
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Speaker 1: take it away. Oh you're speaking my language. I always
31:52
Speaker 1: like my Golden retriever. When I hit the garage door
31:55
Speaker 1: this morning, I jumped. That cold air was um invigorating.
31:59
Speaker 1: There's the word. Okay, let's start with this one. Um.
32:03
Speaker 1: How about Drew lock Uh. He went off in the
32:06
Speaker 1: locker room yesterday and then went off in the second half. Now, look,
32:09
Speaker 1: he's the young quarterback from Missouri that was a second
32:12
Speaker 1: round pick last year by Denver, but he didn't get
32:14
Speaker 1: a play a lot in because of a thumb injury
32:17
Speaker 1: of all things. And he really hadn't looked great. In fact,
32:21
Speaker 1: until yesterday, he hadn't thrown a touchdown passed since opening Day.
32:25
Speaker 1: He had two interceptions in a loss to the Chiefs
32:28
Speaker 1: and two interceptions in a win over the Patriots, and
32:31
Speaker 1: in the first half yesterday was a scintillating nine of
32:34
Speaker 1: fifteen for a total of sixty yards for the Broncos offense.
32:38
Speaker 1: But he went in at halftime and challenged his teammates
32:41
Speaker 1: he's a young guy at him. He started the full season,
32:42
Speaker 1: yet came out in the second half. I think it
32:44
Speaker 1: was twenty four through three touchdown passes in the fourth quarter,
32:48
Speaker 1: and the Broncos came away with a big win over
32:50
Speaker 1: the Chargers, who were surging a little bit after the
32:53
Speaker 1: win over the Jaguars. UM talk is it's cheap. He
32:58
Speaker 1: went out and proved it yesterday with that big win.
33:01
Speaker 1: How about the guy in Chicago yesterday, Javon Wims. He
33:05
Speaker 1: wigged out, Um attacked the defensive back. If you've seen
33:09
Speaker 1: the video. If you haven't, go find it. He was
33:11
Speaker 1: ejected from the game. What was interesting was after the game,
33:15
Speaker 1: Mattneggie alternately said we can't have that, whichever coach has
33:18
Speaker 1: to say, and then defended the kid in his character.
33:21
Speaker 1: But if you watch the video, you're wondering all about that.
33:24
Speaker 1: You just didn't see a whole lot of examples of it.
33:26
Speaker 1: And he's a sucker punch, open hand to the face
33:29
Speaker 1: mask Um. The Saints kept their cool, the fight got
33:34
Speaker 1: broken up. It was a scene. There was fighting all
33:37
Speaker 1: over football. So I think you saw a little bit
33:39
Speaker 1: of that that with your Gators over the weekend as well,
33:40
Speaker 1: and our final headline today is always I forget what
33:43
Speaker 1: it is, so you need to throw it up there
33:44
Speaker 1: for me, stone cold, and that's Tomlin time. Um, Mike
33:48
Speaker 1: Tomlin has the Pittsburgh Steelers off to their best start
33:51
Speaker 1: since drumroll please nineteen seventy eight, when they won the
33:56
Speaker 1: third of their four Super Bowls in the Steel Curtain era.
34:01
Speaker 1: So congratulations. I mean, first of all, it's only the
34:04
Speaker 1: second seven and o start in franchise history, which is
34:06
Speaker 1: amazing considering how many great Steelers teams we all have watched,
34:11
Speaker 1: especially teams that have come here and played in Jacksonville. However,
34:14
Speaker 1: here's another note, and as John likes to say, it
34:17
Speaker 1: will be a story until it isn't. And we talk
34:19
Speaker 1: about black head coaches, and you know, we've seen black
34:23
Speaker 1: gentlemen get their opportunity to be head coaches, and we're
34:25
Speaker 1: still talking about black coaches and not being enough in
34:28
Speaker 1: the league. Uh. This gentleman, though, is now the winningest
34:32
Speaker 1: black head coach in NFL history. Mike won his game
34:37
Speaker 1: yesterday and that passes Tony Dungee. A man, I know
34:41
Speaker 1: you have great affection for John and he is now
34:44
Speaker 1: the winningest coach. And I mean that's more than John Matten.
34:47
Speaker 1: Just to put in perspective for people. I mean, this
34:49
Speaker 1: gentleman has won a lot of games. Final thought on
34:51
Speaker 1: the Steelers and him. You realized that since nineteen sixty
34:54
Speaker 1: the Steelers have had three head coaches, all of them
34:58
Speaker 1: have won Super Bowls. Chuck Nole, Bill Kawer, and now
35:02
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. That's the kind of consistency that makes a
35:06
Speaker 1: franchise great. Now. Look from sixty nine back to nine,
35:11
Speaker 1: they had no consistency at all. They didn't have a
35:13
Speaker 1: single winning season. So you can turn this thing around
35:16
Speaker 1: if you have the right people in the right places.
35:19
Speaker 1: But congratulations to Mike Tomlin, who was little known when
35:23
Speaker 1: they pulled him out to be the successor to Bill
35:26
Speaker 1: Kauer and has firmly put his name among the greats
35:29
Speaker 1: in the game. Yes, absolutely a great accomplishment. And John,
35:34
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to you. Maybe you can help me
35:36
Speaker 1: with that second NFL headline. My mother purchased socks for
35:40
Speaker 1: me that says boys are dumb, throw rocks at them.
35:44
Speaker 1: I don't understand when you have a helmet on, why
35:47
Speaker 1: you punch people with a helmet on. I will never
35:51
Speaker 1: get it. And we see it week to week. Maybe
35:55
Speaker 1: it's just me, but I'm lost on that one. I've
35:58
Speaker 1: never understood. Uh. I was in a lot of street
36:01
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36:03
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36:08
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36:12
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36:16
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