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Shayna Hubers on trial for fatally shooting boyfriend because he was dating beauty queen · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Greece. A gorgeous young woman, twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven year old Shana Hubers seemingly has it all beautiful,
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  Speaker 1: long chestnut colored hair, big brown eyes, perfect teeth. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder how much that cost her parents. Well, she's not
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  Speaker 1: graduating from graduate school, she's not planning her wedding, she's
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  Speaker 1: not starting her first job. She's all dressed up in
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  Speaker 1: a tailor made suit, a christ Oxford shirt for court,
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  Speaker 1: and she just broke down in tears, sobbing, as three
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  Speaker 1: cell mates claim she quote cackled laughed after shooting her
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend and the face when he dumped her for a
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  Speaker 1: date with Miss Ohio. I, Nancy Grace, this is crime stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Man. It never ends
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  Speaker 1: with Shana Hubers. Shanna Huber's twenty seven years old accused
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  Speaker 1: of cackling as she guns down her boyfriend and up
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  Speaker 1: and coming young lawyer parents so proud of him, Ryan posting,
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  Speaker 1: shooting him six times, including once in the face, just
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  Speaker 1: before he was headed out on a date to meet
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  Speaker 1: with literally miss Ohio. That would be Audrey Bolt for
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  Speaker 1: a date. Okay, uh, that's quite the coincidence in the timing,
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  Speaker 1: But you know what. Let's see what we can learn.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this, ma'am, I have, I haven't cool,
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  Speaker 1: I killed my boyfriend inself Okay, where are you up?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not twelve metally well stop it right there, allen guys,
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  Speaker 1: did you hear that? Jim Elliott joining me? Uh? City
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  Speaker 1: attorney well known in his region around the one Robbins area. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Jim Elliott? Did you hear that? She says, uh, I
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  Speaker 1: shot my boyfriend in self defense, and the dispatcher, the
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  Speaker 1: dispatcher says, m M, where are you? Did you hear that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean she's already putting out her defense right there,
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  Speaker 1: not like hurry, hurry, hurry, can you save him? Can
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  Speaker 1: you say she's like, I shot him in a self defense?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Jim Elliott? Absolutely? Absolutely, And she
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  Speaker 1: was prepared for that call. She scripted that before she
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  Speaker 1: called in obviously. Okay, sorry about that, Alan Duke. I
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  Speaker 1: gotta hear more of this nine one one call. Roll
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  Speaker 1: that beautiful sound, ma'am, I have, I haven't I killed
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  Speaker 1: my boyfriend and self defense. Okay, where are you up?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not well? Meadow lane h four seven seconds twelve
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  Speaker 1: medal lane are you in a house, an apartment there, apartment, apartment?
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  Speaker 1: Does it meadow anything else? Meto of you or something?
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  Speaker 1: It's my children? Okay, okay, okay, tell me again, tell
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  Speaker 1: me again. I mean to stop it again. Alan, I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry. But is she laughing or crying? I mean
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  Speaker 1: to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. There's
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  Speaker 1: a dead body, her boyfriend that she had intended on marrying.
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  Speaker 1: She shot him six times. There's no question about that,
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  Speaker 1: she says in self defense. Amazingly, she doesn't have a
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  Speaker 1: bruise or a scratch on her body. But long story short,
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  Speaker 1: is she laughing or crying? I don't know. I couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: It sounded like she was kind of cackling right there.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I know exactly as she lords over his body.
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  Speaker 1: That's I've been, you know, shot multiple times. Hold on
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  Speaker 1: joining me right now. In addition to city Attorney Jim Elliott,
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  Speaker 1: Francie Haigs joining me, former federal prosecutor Francy Between the
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  Speaker 1: three of us, we've tried enough murder cases. But I
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell if she's laughing or crying. Laughing highly inappropriate.
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  Speaker 1: On a nine one one call, Nancy there's no doubt
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  Speaker 1: that she is highly inappropriate. This was a cold blooded killing.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds to me like and she's, as you said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: she is building a nerd defense right there from the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call. Well, according to her salemates Francie Haigs,
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  Speaker 1: she bragged behind bars that she quote gave Posting the
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  Speaker 1: nose job he always wanted, she did, and by shooting
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  Speaker 1: him in the face, well, exactly how cold blooded is that.
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  Speaker 1: She was obviously bitter that he was breaking up with
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  Speaker 1: her and she was having none of it. You don't
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  Speaker 1: break up with Shaney Hubers, she kills you instead. Mmmmm. Okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I love playing nine one one call for a jury.
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  Speaker 1: It really takes you. And then back to the moment
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  Speaker 1: when everything went down. It's a it's a treasure trove
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  Speaker 1: of information. Alan, Sorry, let's hear some more of that
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call. Okay, Okay, tell me again, tell
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  Speaker 1: me again what you know you're in. It's not showing
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  Speaker 1: my computer. Okay, you're a twelve middle lane you did
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  Speaker 1: number ten? Okay, hold on, hold on, what did you
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  Speaker 1: heal him with? God alone can tell me where the
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  Speaker 1: gun is? Right now, gun, we're at the man, tell
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  Speaker 1: me where it's up. I laid on the book we're at,
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  Speaker 1: laid on the shelf on the book. It's where are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Okay, are you sure that he is said, okay,
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  Speaker 1: stop right there, stop right there? Alan, Sorry. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: shot him six times, including in the face. He's he's dead,
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  Speaker 1: a loaded gun in the house. Guys. Uh Shane of
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  Speaker 1: Hubres and Posting have been dating about a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half after meeting first on Facebook, and her selmates
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  Speaker 1: take the stand and tell the jury that she never
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  Speaker 1: was um sorry or repentant about the killing, and still
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  Speaker 1: to this day, behind Bars believes she was right on
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  Speaker 1: for killing Posting because he had not dumped her, but
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  Speaker 1: was dating somebody else. First date for also a former
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  Speaker 1: Miss USA, and I gotta tell you the woman he
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  Speaker 1: was going out with is absolutely beautiful. We reconnected through
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and then we started texting back and forth and
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  Speaker 1: then planned a date tweet up. The selmates say that
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  Speaker 1: they overheard he was on the phone with her mother
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  Speaker 1: saying that the victim, Brian Poston's family was quote rich
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  Speaker 1: enough to go buy another son, rich enough to go
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  Speaker 1: by another son to Dr Chloe Carmichael New York psychologist
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  Speaker 1: and founder of Transformation Products dot Com. Dr Chloe Wow,
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  Speaker 1: what a callous disregard. If I, if I were sitting
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  Speaker 1: on the jerky, I was just cringe. As John David,
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  Speaker 1: my ten year old son says, that's very cringe. E Mom,
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  Speaker 1: they're rich enough to buy another son? And well, it
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  Speaker 1: certainly is. And it also really speaks to the idea
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  Speaker 1: that this life was disposable. You know, that this is
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  Speaker 1: just um something that happened that other people can be
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  Speaker 1: responsible for, that she would be avoiding responsibility for it.
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  Speaker 1: And it also speaks, I think to a certain amount
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  Speaker 1: of anger, whether it was about seeing get him the
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  Speaker 1: nose job he always wanted, or that family would be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just rich enough to buy another son. This
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  Speaker 1: doesn't um feel like it's coming from a place of
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  Speaker 1: of grief and sadness and and lost the way that
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  Speaker 1: something would if if that was truly a tragic situation
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't actually want to initiate joining me. Also,
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  Speaker 1: in addition to Francie Haiggs, Joe's Got Morgan, Dr Chloe
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  Speaker 1: Carmichael and Crime Online dot com investigative reporter John Limley
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  Speaker 1: is the city attorney for one of Robbins, Georgia, Jim,
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  Speaker 1: why is it so important that you get to play
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  Speaker 1: that nine one one call to the jury, because it's
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  Speaker 1: going to show with her immediate, um, her immediate her
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  Speaker 1: mindset at that moment, and sort of the spills. I
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  Speaker 1: think this defense that she had already begun crafty from
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  Speaker 1: the very beginning. Yeah, you're right crafting it at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: It started with the nine one one call. And another
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  Speaker 1: thing about that Francy Higgs, former federal prosecutor with titles
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  Speaker 1: so long I can't even even say them all, Francy.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing is, uh, what she says that on the
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  Speaker 1: nine one one call, they're stuck with it. They can't
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  Speaker 1: then change their mind and say an intruder did it
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  Speaker 1: or some other crazy theory. They're stuck with defense. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's right, Nancy. And that's what we're seeing now that's
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  Speaker 1: so different from her first trial is she's now got
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  Speaker 1: a new defense. So I don't think that Shaney Hubert
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  Speaker 1: feels like she's locked into her nine on one call
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  Speaker 1: at all. But I'm certain that the jury will feel
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  Speaker 1: that that the lack of emotion, the false note in
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  Speaker 1: that nine one one call, and the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: scene doesn't match what she's saying. Are all factors of
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  Speaker 1: the defense is stuck with Listen. There's times that she
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  Speaker 1: would throw things around the apartment to make it seem
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  Speaker 1: like there was a fight going on between her and Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: and was Mr posting even whole when she was doing that,
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  Speaker 1: she was crying, and she told me that she did
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  Speaker 1: not want me to judge her. Tell the jury what
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  Speaker 1: she said about how the shooting took place. She told
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  Speaker 1: me that they were sitting at the kitchen table and
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  Speaker 1: he was sitting at the table, and he had set
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  Speaker 1: his gun on the table, and she picked up the
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  Speaker 1: gun and said, what would you do it by? And
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  Speaker 1: that he smirked at her, and she shot him. Did
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  Speaker 1: the defendant tell you that Ryan post and beat her?
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  Speaker 1: She did at first, and then what happened she changed
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  Speaker 1: her story? Okay? What did she say that she was
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  Speaker 1: the aggressor? Okay? Are you sure that he is dead?
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  Speaker 1: He's completely dead? Okay? And how long ago did you
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  Speaker 1: shoot him? I don't know, not even that long fifteen
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  Speaker 1: minutes ago? So yeah, okay, what's your name? My name
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  Speaker 1: is Sana Michelle Uberger. I'm sorry, what is it again?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me traina Sana Michelle uber ber Line. I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: uber pup, you are asked, Hubert. Okay, what's what's your name?
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  Speaker 1: Against Shane or Sana Shana? I think alright, Shane, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just having a our time here you Okay, Sorry, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna nail on one. Listen, You're gonna stay on the
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  Speaker 1: line with me, okay, because this is what we're gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: The officers from want me to stay on the line
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  Speaker 1: with you, so when you get and when they get there,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna want to know where that gun is and
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  Speaker 1: we want you to get out safely to Okay, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Are they gonna rest me, ma'am? I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: they'll do. We're gonna send cind him out. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: stay on line with you, okay, Alan, did you hear that?
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  Speaker 1: Are they going to arrest me? I mean that's already
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  Speaker 1: where her mind is not that he's dead Lie either
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  Speaker 1: on the floor with six gunshot wounds, including one to
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  Speaker 1: the face where she quote gave him the nose job
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  Speaker 1: he always wanted. If you could see a shot of
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  Speaker 1: Ryan posting handsome beautiful smile had finally made it through
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  Speaker 1: law school, was out with a great job. Parents so proud.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can you even imagine Listen being bullied. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't like people he treated unfairly. He always defended the
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  Speaker 1: defenseless the time he was six to an attorney, How
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  Speaker 1: is that people would asked me about my child. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't say that he was beautiful? Do you know he
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  Speaker 1: was when he was brand Even my son has a heart?
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  Speaker 1: Jo's got Morgan, you got that gorgeous son. Can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine him graduating one day from law school or med
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  Speaker 1: school or some other very impressive thing. Parents so proud,
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  Speaker 1: and then he colloped hides with Shana Hubers. No, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why we're always warning him. Be careful who
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  Speaker 1: you connect with out there, Nancy. You never know what
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get. Well, Jim Elliott, you know the old
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  Speaker 1: saying coming from my neck of the woods. You lay
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  Speaker 1: down with the dog, you wake up with a flea. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you just have to be cautious of
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  Speaker 1: the kind of people you're meeting online and do some
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  Speaker 1: backrond investigation. Don't be dealing. You're right, Jim, But you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you don't think when you think you're in love
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  Speaker 1: with somebody, or you're dating somebody, or you're infatuating. You
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  Speaker 1: don't think, gee, I need to run a background check
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  Speaker 1: on this one or find out more. But I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you right at the get go, as soon as
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  Speaker 1: he found out or if he found out she was
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  Speaker 1: logging onto his Facebook to block other women that were
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  Speaker 1: trying to contact him, or that we're conversing with him. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there is evidentiary proof, forensic proof that Hubers embarded him
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  Speaker 1: with a hundred texts for everyone he sent her after
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  Speaker 1: one of their regular breakups. And to Dr Chloe Carmichael,
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  Speaker 1: New York psychologist, Dr Chloe look at the pattern they
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  Speaker 1: break up. She would literally send him a hundred texts,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred text for every one text he sent her
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  Speaker 1: after quote one of their regular breakup. So it sounds
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  Speaker 1: like he was trying to break up over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over. Yes, Nancy, that certainly does sound that way.
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  Speaker 1: And it also sounds like she's having issues with impulsivity,
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  Speaker 1: so impulse control. Nobody very rarely actually wants to be
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  Speaker 1: sending someone a hundred texts. They usually send after the
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  Speaker 1: third text they say, I want to walk away from this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not feeling good. I want to end this. I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting out of this, but then they can't help themselves
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  Speaker 1: and they keep going back. And I ask you another question.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Chloe, Um and the rest of you, man just
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  Speaker 1: close your ears. This is for Francy and Dr Chloe.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed men are not very leasie? Well,
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  Speaker 1: they don't have much to say very often. That's one
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  Speaker 1: thing I appreciate equality I love about my husband. He
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  Speaker 1: says practically nothing. I mean, after a long day arguing
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  Speaker 1: with the likes of Jim Elliott, Joe Scott Morgan and
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  Speaker 1: John Limley and Alan, do you know I don't need
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  Speaker 1: to hear have another man tune up when I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to cook supper. All right, I don't need to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: But have you noticed, like, what's that word? They're not
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  Speaker 1: very verbal? So here she she sends a hundred texts.
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  Speaker 1: He sends one text Dr Chloe that tells me he's
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  Speaker 1: just not into her. Right, It's it's not only that
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  Speaker 1: he's not into her, but that he's putting up a boundary.
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  Speaker 1: He's trying to not have communication, and she is unable
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  Speaker 1: or unwilling to respect that by sending bombarding him with
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  Speaker 1: all those two Dr Chloe. Dr Chloe. If some if
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  Speaker 1: a guy would sends me ten texts to my one text,
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  Speaker 1: I am done with that. That's a that's too clingy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, stop it. I do not like long text
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  Speaker 1: as Alan and Jackie. Well, no, I'm like, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't read that. It was over three sentences. You'll
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  Speaker 1: have to You'll have to condense that. Uh don't have time.
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  Speaker 1: So a hundred texts? Are you kidding me? She would
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  Speaker 1: have gotten the boot and I mean the steel toed
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  Speaker 1: cowboy boot. After the tenth text. That's over. Stop it,
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  Speaker 1: Get out of my life. What wrong? Harsh? Is that wrong? Francy? No, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I think you've got a great point. Shaney Huberts is
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  Speaker 1: all about Shaney Hubert and her obsessive text to him,
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  Speaker 1: her behavior in trying to control him and his Facebook
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  Speaker 1: page contacts, and his text to people saying she just
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  Speaker 1: won't leave. In combination with her saying on the nine
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  Speaker 1: one one call are they going to arrest me? When
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  Speaker 1: he's lying still bleeding on the floor from her attack,
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  Speaker 1: tells us that Shana is all about Shana. Listen to this,
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  Speaker 1: said dad. She will not leave my house, he said,
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  Speaker 1: Can I spend the night here, and I said absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I said, but I said, Ryan, at your house. I
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  Speaker 1: make her leave your house and said, Dad, this is
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  Speaker 1: it's just easier this way, you know, Alan joining me
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  Speaker 1: from your posh pad in l A Alan, I really
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  Speaker 1: do want to get to her singing amazing grace during
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  Speaker 1: her police interview. Also we know that she calls her
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  Speaker 1: mother and sobs into the phone, but also breaks into
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  Speaker 1: song occasionally. But I've got to hear more of the
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  Speaker 1: n I on one tape. Give me some more. How
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  Speaker 1: beat me and tried to turn me out of the
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  Speaker 1: house and I can't in to get my things, and
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  Speaker 1: he was bid and he raised down and grabbed the
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  Speaker 1: guy and I probed out his hand. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: do you need an ambulance? Have you been injured? I'm
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  Speaker 1: not injured me and I was thrown into the side
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  Speaker 1: of the couch. Okay and wait, man, I'm sorry. I
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  Speaker 1: hate to keep interrupting Alan, Do hello help me out here?
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, this is a quote self defense case.
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  Speaker 1: Did I not hear her just say I'm not injured? Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I guess her maybe her ego was injured.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Uh, but yeah, it's self defense.
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  Speaker 1: It's so self defense. You know, she shot this guy
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  Speaker 1: six times, Nancy six times? Is it true? To John Limley? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter with crime online dot Com, where you can
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  Speaker 1: find this and every other breaking crime and justice story
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  Speaker 1: that the cops we're looking at messages text messages to
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  Speaker 1: Ryan that would insult his ability as a lawyer. Accused
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  Speaker 1: him of, let me just say euphemistically, lacking and sexual
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  Speaker 1: prowess mm hmm okay, and we know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: And then uh, I lose the beer gut and get
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  Speaker 1: better at your job, was one of the messages read
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  Speaker 1: out loud in court from this unknown phone number. Well,
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  Speaker 1: of course they tracked the number. It was revealed in
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  Speaker 1: court that was a female friend that Hebrews lived with.
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  Speaker 1: So Hebrews was either getting the friend's phone and sending
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  Speaker 1: these really main text messages to him, or getting the
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  Speaker 1: friend to do it, John Linley, is that true? That
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  Speaker 1: is exactly true? Uh. That was one of those one
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  Speaker 1: text messages she would send for his everyone, um long
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  Speaker 1: before she called one on her cell phone. All day
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  Speaker 1: long on this early October day, she had been texting
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  Speaker 1: Ryan because he had just broken up with her for
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  Speaker 1: what he had hoped would be the last time they
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  Speaker 1: in their short eighteen month relationship. They had broken up
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  Speaker 1: and gotten back together seve world times, and on this
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  Speaker 1: October day, Ryan felt that maybe this was all behind him.
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  Speaker 1: He had this date with a beauty queen, literally Miss Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: She was also second runner up to Miss America. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: he would never make it to that date or even
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  Speaker 1: meet Aubrey. M hm oh oh h thank you. Mm hmmmm, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I just had to play that you are listening to
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  Speaker 1: crime stories, I meanancy grace, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: And that was miss Shana Huber's singing or humming amazing
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  Speaker 1: grace during her police interview. Uh, she's charged with gunning
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  Speaker 1: down her boyfriend, Ryan Posting, a young, aspiring lawyer, because
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  Speaker 1: he broke up with her and had a date that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: night and was going to have a date that night
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: with Miss Ohio. Well, that date never happened because Ryan
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Posting was gunned down in his own home six times
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: to the face, neck and head. She was unscathed, but
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: called nine one one and immediately said it was self defense.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: The nine when one operators like mm hmmmm, Well, her
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: singing in the interrogation room or humming. I noticed she
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: didn't hit the high note, but that's neither here nor there.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Reminded me of someone near and dear to all of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: our hearts. Where would we be without Jody Arius? Listen,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Oh holy night, the stars are brightly shocking. It is
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a night of our dear saviors. First, longly who world
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and sin and error poggy until he appeared and the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: soul found it word a thrill, love home. The weary
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: world rejoices for y'all. Ah on your knees. Oh he
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: angel boys, Oh no, dee by no no, when Christ
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was born? Oh no, dee by no, Oh no, dear by.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: That was Jodi Arias also charged, but she's convicted with
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the murder of her boyfriend, Travis Alexander. She stabbed him,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: let's see. I think it was about twenty eight times
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and kept it off with a shot to the head,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: leaving his body to decompose in the shower because he
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: broke up with her and was having a destination date
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: with another woman to Cancum. So what the psychopathy is
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: behind all of this? I can't tell you that, but
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I do know what I'm learning in the name on
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: one call. Also in court, several salemates come forward to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: say she actually quote cackled when talking about shooting Ryan,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: posting her then boyfriend that he quote deserved it as
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: she had given him the quote nos job he always wanted.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: That's uh, certainly a unique way of describing shooting someone
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: directly in the face. Joining me former federal prosecutor Francie Haigs,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the city attorney in one of Robbins, Jim Elliott, Joseph
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, renowned death investigator, Dr Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: founder of Transformation Products dot com, and John Linley Crime
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter. So she's being retried right now.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: The first trial was reversed to Francy Haigs, former federal prosecutor.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: She's in court right now. But how did she land
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: back in court? Why was the first trial reversed? She's
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: got a chance of walking, Francy, she does Nanthy. All
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: that work by the jury and the prosecutors, the judge
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and everybody in the first trial is undone because a
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: juror lied to the court and had a felony conviction
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and didn't tell anybody with a felony conviction, you are ineligible,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: generally speaking, to serve on a jury. So because of
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that convicted felon, Shaney, Huberts gets a chance, another shot
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to walk free, even though she has killed her boyfriend.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: The former University of Kentucky psychology major admits to shooting
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend in his Ohio apartment, but claims she did
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: so in self defense. Don't you think to Joseph Scott
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Morgan that a bruise, uh, a scrape, anything would have
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: helped her in that self defense claim? Yeah? Again, I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what she's defending against. Harsh words, rejection, what
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: is it? I don't think her last name ought to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: be huge, vers it ought to be humorous. Uh. You
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: know you look at this and you think that she
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: would be covered in bruises. My got you shot the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: guy six times, Nancy six times? Well as that I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: recalled from the very first trial to city Attorney Jim Elliott.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: She claimed there had been a ferocious fight, like hand
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to hand mutual combat in the dining room, living room
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: area of his penthouse apartment. However, I noticed that on
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the shelves, the bookshelves where she said the fight occurred,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that she had fallen against the shelf less as I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: recall it, there were uh quarters, as I recall, stacked up,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: still stacked, and there were some bullets and I don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: know if they were antique or what they were, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: they were still sitting straight up like a rocket. They
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: had not fallen over on that bookshelf. If he had
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: thrown her into the bookshelf, wouldn't any wouldn't have anything
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: on the bookshelf, have been uh disarranged her certainly just
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: because out as well. But lack of physical evidence of
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: her body that you know, I mean, that's just a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: contrived story. What about it, Francy Hags, what do you
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: make of it? Well, Nancy, you recall from the nine
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: one tape that she specifically told the nine one one
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: operator he was beating me and then I shot him.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The physical evidence not just in the apartment but on
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: but the lack of it on her body puts the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: lie to that claim from her. And can I just
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: also say, her sitting there in custody sinking amazing grace
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: shows you her mental state at that time that she
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: view to herself as the victim. She gave no thought
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to her ex boyfriend Ryan Post, and she thought only
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of herself in that moment. Take a listen to this,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and you know I wasn't doing anything that was me
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and I was like begging him to stay in the
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: relationship and be with me because I you that we
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: weren't really loving each other, you know right, It told
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: me that he loved me and wanted it be with me,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and I guess somewhere along the way that greda hate.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: He was screaming how much he can I don't know
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: if anyone will ever want to marry me if they
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: killed my boyfriend and self. M it's not funny, but
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the stuff he was saying, that he was so abusive
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: while he was throwing me around the room, I'll never
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: m h. I think in the midst of that my
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: love trying to hate. I remember screaming reaching up to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: grab the ship. You haven't here my family out there,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: talk Please plea stick my mother, Okay, woy. If they
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: don't get any serious, can say I could really be
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: happy he's just having a career, maybe not even ever
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: getting married. Because this is very traumatic. You know you
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: are hearing Shana Hubrew's own sworn statement. She's still talking
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: about the relationship and getting married. Hello, he's dead. You
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: shot him six times in one text, it was revealed.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: She says, quote he says he's only with me because
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I make him feel so awful about it when I cry.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: He had tried to break up many, many times. Well
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: they're separated, now, why don't I hear he wanted? I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: recall Ryan standing over me and grabbing the gun that
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: was sitting on the table and pointing it at me
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and saying, I could just kill me right now and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: get away with it. Nobody would even know. How did
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you react to that? I was I was shocked, I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: was afraid, and he was reaching across the table and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was reaching for the gun
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: or reaching for me. But I was still sitting on
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the floor at this point in time. And I got
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: up off the floor and I grabbed a gun and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I shot him, and he was first shot. He let
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: out a really loud noise that sounded like an animal.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It sounded like a bear, some type of wild animal.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It really freaked me out. You are hearing SHANEA. Hubrew's testimony.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: She is describing what happened when she shot her boyfriend dead.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Six bullets. She claims self defense. I wanna tell you something.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I want to reveal something that um came out Ryan postings.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Exasperation was growing. He didn't know what to do, and
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: he wrote a text to cousin, quote, this is getting
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to be restraining order level crazy. She's shown up at
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: my condo like three times. She refuses to leave each time. Uh,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: he writes, Literally, probably the craziest effing person I have
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: ever met. She almost scares me. You know that's a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: big clue, Francie haigs that you need to break up
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and get that restraining order. When you think maybe I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: should get a restraining order, it's time to get a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: restraining order. If you're at that level, it really is Nancy.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And I guarantee you that because he was a man,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it really didn't occur to him that he could be
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in physical danger. And so he died. He died for
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the mistake and not understanding understandably, so not understanding who
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: she was and what she was capable of. But that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: text to his between friends was a cry for help.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: And if he had been a woman, if the shoe
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: was on the other foot, if he'd been a him
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and dealing with a man with this kind of aggressive,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: crazy behavior. I don't doubt for a minute that there
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: would have been some kind of court action and police
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: called before. Now, well, interesting to you, Jim Elliott, city
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: attorney for one of Robbins, She says to nine on one,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: as Joe Scott Morgan is pointed out, he beat me
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and tried to carry me out of the house, and
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I came back to get my things. He was right
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: in front of me, reached down and grabbed the gun.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I grabbed out of his hand and pulled the trigger.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: So she says, he beat me, but there are no
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: bruises or marks on her body. Nine on one, how
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: long ago did you shoot him? Huber's I don't know.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Fifteen ten, fifteen minutes ago, operator, fifteen minutes ago. Yeah,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: so let me ask you, why, Jim, does she wait
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to call nine one one? Put together the
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: little scenes. You're creative and probably come up with a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: story that you're going to tell, and and all those
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: details that we just heard, that's how the story that
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: she um crafted up. So, yeah, she needed to take
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a beat and come up with that story. You're absolutely right,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Jim Elliott. Let's take a Listen to what she says
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: in her testimony about why she shot Ryan Posting six times. Listen.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: One was that when I first shot him, he let
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: out a really loud noise that sounded like an animal.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It was a very animalistic noise that scared me. It
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: freaked me out. I also, when I first shot him,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't sure where the shots had entered or if I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: had just made him more angry and therefore he was
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: more of a threat and would just it would make
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the situation even more severe. And then thirdly, I had
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the mistaken belief that there was another gun on the table.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And you know now that there wasn't another gun on
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the table, but at the time I thought that there was,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and you were concerned enough for Mr post and that
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: he wanted to make sure he didn't have to live
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: with a deformed face or true. Listen, we have a
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: shot to the head which is um administered to the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: head and is incapacitating with no stifling at a distance,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: which puts the victim down on his face on the table.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: At that point, the suspect moves forward. The victim was
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: alive for all of the shots, so I believe the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: first three shots into themselves were very damaging, but he
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: remained alive until the last show was given. Another thing
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: coming out in testimony, there was a lieutenant for Nash
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and he asked he do you smoke? And she says, well,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I will if I can. And according to the Highland
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Highest Police Chief Barkenhauer, as the lieutenant four Nash started
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to walk out to go get her a cigarette, she
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: started making noise that she was crying or wailing, wailing, crying,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: and as soon as for Nash walked out, she stopped immediately,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: according to Chief Brokenhawer. And the Chief was immediately suspicious
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: and says, quote she cut it off like a light switch,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: exactly like a light switch. And the Chief says, right
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: off the bat, she I knew she was pretending. She
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't crying. There were no tears coming out of her eyes.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: She was just faking it. It's it's incredible And with
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that knowledge, I want to go back to the nine
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: one one call. But to John Limley, is it true
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that in court the prosecution has been calling a series
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of salemates who all say she kind of brags about
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: shooting posts. She certainly did. In fact, she told a
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: number of them you know, she even went through her
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: whole defense that she was going to uh put forth.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: You know, she thought, well, maybe insanity, but no, maybe
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I should be you know, a battered partner. Maybe that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: would be my best defense. And they said that she
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: would laugh at just the most odd points in the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: story is she would recount to these cellmates what happened
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: on the ninth that she killed Ryan. Listen to this.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: She got there and they started arguing, and she was
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: throwing stuff around, being loud, making it look like he
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: was abusing her. So people would hear that. He was
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: sitting at the table and she stood in front of
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: him and shot him once. And then she didn't think
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that did it, So she walked around to the other
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: side and shot him again, and then to the other
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: side and shot the other shots. She'd be on the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: phone and she'd cry and sing and she was being recorded,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: and then she'd get off the phone and she'd wink
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: at us and smile and tell us she was such
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: a good actress. I want you to wait. In Joseph's
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: got Morgan death in stigator and professor of forensics at
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University just got what forensic evidence could prove
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: or disprove her story. I think probably the key here.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Obviously we've talked about the absence of injuries on her body.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: I think one of the key things here is going
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: to be range of fire relative to these gunshot wounds, Nancy,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: either the absence or the presence of gunpowder residue on
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: his body. If she's shooting at him from a distance, uh,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: like you know, you would you would? That's not compatible
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: with like close combat. Uh, then that that kind of
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: blows this whole, this whole thing out of the water. Also, uh,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you know when did the shot occur? When she shot
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: him in the face? Had he already and this is
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: really this is oh my god, this is horrible. But
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: had she already shot him multiple times? He's in a
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: uh diminished position, he looks up at her, and then
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: she finishes him by shooting him in the face, you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the infamous nose job. Here, she is essentially the trajectory
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: or line of fire is going to go from above
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to below. And this is a kill shot that you're
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: talking about, like an execution, Nancy. And I think that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that's going to be driven home as we as we
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: move forward with this, Well, you're absolutely right. In that
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: police interrogation video, hebrew says, quote, and he was laying
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: with his face on the table, like twitching, and so
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I knew he was going to die. My point is
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: he's sitting in a chair at the table, and they
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: can tell that from the blood evidence dripping down on
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: the table and pulling in the chair. So he was
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: sitting down. This is no self defense and quote and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I watched her on the table and I think that's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: when I shot him in the head. He was seated
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: at the table, Joe Scott quote. I shot him probably
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: six times in the head. He fell onto the ground.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: He was like laying like this, and she gets down
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: on the floor. His glasses were still on. He was
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: twitching some more. I shot him a couple of more
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: times just to make sure he was dead, because I
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: didn't want to watch him die. Yeah, it would have
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: been very inconvenient for her to sit there and and
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and watch him die. Well, listen to what the prosecution says. Yes,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I want to hear Shane Hubers tell police that all
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: she wanted to do was pack of things and leave.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: But the evidence in this case, in the weeks ahead,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: he's going to show you that it was never Shane's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: intent to leave. It was to see that Ryan couldn't.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: What Shannon Hubers did to Ryan posting on October twelfth,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, was murder, nothing less, And at the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: conclusion of this case, the Commonwealth is going to ask
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you to find her guilty of murder, nothing less. We
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds in the court of law. Nancy
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend.