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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelsey and you're watching the NFL Report. I'm
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Speaker 1: James Bulmer. That's Steve Wiss. This is the NFL Report,
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Speaker 1: and that was the recently retired after thirteen glorious seasons
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, Jason Kelsey. We'll get to a conversation about
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Speaker 1: his career with my brother from Philadelphia, Mike Garrifolo, who
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Speaker 1: will also break down Mike Evans contract and what that
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Speaker 1: does for the free agent wide receiver market. We also
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Speaker 1: have John Beck on the show, Steve, who's working with
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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, Jayden Daniels, Michael Pennix. He also works with c. J. Stroud,
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Zach Wilson, all of them, and will also
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Speaker 1: have Jeff Shittia telling us who needs to have a
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Speaker 1: big off season in his mind, but one of those
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Speaker 1: teams that's not on his list needs a big offseason.
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Speaker 1: That's a Denver Broncos because they are changing quarterbacks. Russell
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Speaker 1: Wilson officially released Steve. Your initial thoughts are.
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Speaker 2: What, yeah, how about this?
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Speaker 3: Three minutes after it was officially released, Russ went ahead
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Speaker 3: and posted his goodbye to teammates and people like that
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Speaker 3: in Denver. So he knew this was coming. We all
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Speaker 3: knew this was coming. So now the question is where
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Speaker 3: does Russell Wilson land? And this is super intriguing to
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Speaker 3: me because you know, people are gonna connected to Pittsburgh
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Speaker 3: because we're connecting everybody to Pittsburgh. People can connect them
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Speaker 3: to Washington because he's from Richmond, Virginia, you know, about
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Speaker 3: ninety minutes away. But I'm kind of sitting here like,
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Speaker 3: if the Minnesota Vikings aren't able to retain Kirk Cousins,
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Speaker 3: they've got to be a potential landing spot JP for
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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson. Sure, I think maybe they're going to draft
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Speaker 3: a quarterback, but they have someone there like Russell Wilson
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Speaker 3: who could hold it down because I think that's where
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Speaker 3: he is right now. It's kind of a bridge type
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Speaker 3: quarterback to hold it down while they get their rookie ready.
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Speaker 2: That might be something that they have to do.
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Speaker 3: But this is you know, look, no surprise, we knew
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Speaker 3: Russell and Sean weren't moving forward.
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Speaker 2: And JP, what what might the Broncos do?
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Speaker 3: Now we know they're in that eleven, twelve thirteen draft
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Speaker 3: range right there with the Vikings and the Raiders. They're
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Speaker 3: all in the quarterback market. What are they going to
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Speaker 3: do to try to rebuild their quarterback situation and their
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Speaker 3: roster knowing that Russell Wilson is still going to hit
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Speaker 3: them pretty hard on the salary cap.
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Speaker 1: He definitely is. They're a rebuilding at the quarterback position
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Speaker 1: once again in Denver. As I sit inside the team
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Speaker 1: facility right now, this will be in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: Steve the seventh different week one starting quarterback for the
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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos since Peyton Manning retired after they won the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl in two thousand and fifteen. They are looking
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Speaker 1: for a quarterback that brings something different than what they
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Speaker 1: had with Russell Wilson, specifically Steve, and we've talked about
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Speaker 1: this on the program and Sean Payton has not hit
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Speaker 1: it at all. It is the ability to multitask at
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Speaker 1: the quarterback spot, processing of information, ability to go through
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Speaker 1: all of the dialogue quickly, ability to go through processing
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Speaker 1: the defense extremely quickly. These are things that are highly
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Speaker 1: valued by Sean Payton and Peyton just didn't believe that
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson possessed them to the level that he would
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Speaker 1: like to now what they do moving forward. There are
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the draft that do that, and they might
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Speaker 1: have to move up for one of them. We'll see
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Speaker 1: where they stand as you're mentioning as a quarterback option
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Speaker 1: in the first round. But also you mentioned Minnesota if
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Speaker 1: they can't keep kirk Cousins, what there are some people
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Speaker 1: on that coaching staff there that I've spoken with think
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Speaker 1: it might be difficult to keep him. That is a
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Speaker 1: spot that he could potentially land. The Denver Broncos. They
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Speaker 1: are obviously interested because of what I listed, Steve. Kirk
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Speaker 1: Cousins checks a lot of those boxes you mentioned.
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Speaker 2: They have the money though, if they have the papers.
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Speaker 1: They do have the ability to move some things around.
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Speaker 1: They do have the ability to move some things around,
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Speaker 1: and if anybody's good at kicking money down the road,
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Speaker 1: we know Sean Payton did it forever with Drew Brees'
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Speaker 1: contract in New Orleans, so they do have some flexibility,
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Speaker 1: especially with the cap going up as well. But you
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Speaker 1: would think drafting a quarterback is definitely on their radar
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Speaker 1: right now. Sean Payton did tell us at the combine,
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Speaker 1: Steve that we will get this one right, and he
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Speaker 1: believes their ability to evaluate quarterbacks is superior than some
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Speaker 1: of the other teams around the league. That's the interestingst
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Speaker 1: part of this evaluation. We'll see if Sean Payton can
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Speaker 1: do that. But he said that to us at the combine,
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Speaker 1: Steve and also went on at the combine, we had
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Speaker 1: a record breaking forty roll the tape.
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Speaker 3: Elsie unofficial four two five in his first run, and
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Speaker 3: he's gonna run it again to try and get John
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Speaker 3: Roses four to two to two.
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Speaker 4: Oh, let's keep running right out of the stadium four
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Speaker 4: two one official. I watch it, come on my whole life,
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Speaker 4: sen John Ross moone. They tell me you peek at
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Speaker 4: the rights high times now, so he's all came in
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Speaker 4: the right time.
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Speaker 2: Just watched the fastest forty in the history of the
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Speaker 2: NFL Scouting Combine.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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Speaker 2: Who yeah, right right right right right on to Xavier Worthy.
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Speaker 3: You know for running that was my that was my
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Speaker 3: thirty yards split back in the day when I have
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Speaker 3: run it at four two one. Well, look, you know
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Speaker 3: that was a big buzz. It was fun watching it.
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Speaker 3: You know, we watch in real time. We love seeing
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Speaker 3: the athleticism, We love talking moreball people who really weren't
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Speaker 3: at the front.
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Speaker 2: Of the list. But what caught my eye coming out
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Speaker 2: of the combine, and it's with wide receivers.
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Speaker 3: Was Brian Thomas out of LSU, one of the you know,
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Speaker 3: the top four or five rated wide receivers running a
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Speaker 3: four to three three and he's six three two and
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Speaker 3: ten pounds. Again, he's a likely first round wide receiver,
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Speaker 3: as are several people you know who we didn't see
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Speaker 3: Ron and performed, guys like rome A, Dunzae, Marvin Harrison,
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Speaker 3: Junior JP. And when we look at free agency coming
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Speaker 3: up right, we see Mike Evans and the Buccaneers has already.
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Speaker 2: Been re signed.
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Speaker 3: I look at all of these stud draft pick wide receivers.
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Speaker 3: Look at these guys Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors at LSU,
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Speaker 3: Roma Dunzee, Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin, and now.
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Speaker 2: Look at the guys who they're up against Freeancy.
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Speaker 3: Michael Pitt, mccalvin Ridley, Marquise Brown, Gabe Davis, Tyler Boyd,
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Speaker 3: players like that, JAP. I can't I helped to think
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Speaker 3: that that market for those free agent wide receivers may
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Speaker 3: not be overly aggressive, as some of these wide receiver
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Speaker 3: needy teams will say, We're just going to draft one
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Speaker 3: of these guys because we know how the potential star
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Speaker 3: powered is there, and they're on rookie contracts.
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Speaker 2: You don't have to dull out the big Brey.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would even throw in teams that are
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Speaker 1: not wide receiver Needy Steve because of the rookie contract
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Speaker 1: you're mentioning, and because of how polished these players are
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Speaker 1: coming out. When I talked to multiple teams around the
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Speaker 1: league that sat down with those guys that are on
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Speaker 1: that list on the left hand side, they were blown
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Speaker 1: away and Steve not just by obviously how they played
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Speaker 1: the position and how NFL ready they are, but how
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Speaker 1: smart they were and how those interviews went so well,
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Speaker 1: you're getting wide receiver one possibility with a lot of
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Speaker 1: these guys right out of the gate. And Bucky Brooks
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Speaker 1: has said it on our show multiple times that because
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Speaker 1: of the seven on seven world, these guys have been
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Speaker 1: running these routes and really since they were about eight
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Speaker 1: years old, and they're unbelievably polished coming out. And the
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Speaker 1: other part of it is, if you can throw that
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Speaker 1: graphic back up, Madison, those guys on that left hand
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Speaker 1: side are coming out into the NFL being able to
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Speaker 1: play inside, being able to play outside steam Point and
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Speaker 1: they're being able to be flexible wide receivers. Four teams
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Speaker 1: right out of the gate, and I think that makes
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Speaker 1: them even more marketable. Now to the right hand side,
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Speaker 1: the name at the top with Michael Pittman Junior. My
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Speaker 1: understanding is that's the name the league is looking at
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Speaker 1: right now. Steve. We know that this wide receiver free
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Speaker 1: agency market's a little bit different, but what the teams
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Speaker 1: want to see is where does he go if he's
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Speaker 1: franchised tag Maybe that changes some of it. But with
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Speaker 1: the added salary cap, this is a group that was
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Speaker 1: usually squeezed. Where are the numbers for these free agent
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Speaker 1: wide receivers because we did have a big jump in
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Speaker 1: the salary cap. So where these two groups play off
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Speaker 1: of one another is very interesting. But on that left
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Speaker 1: hand side, we could have five of them in the
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Speaker 1: first round, three of them in the top ten. It
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Speaker 1: is fascinating what's happening with the wide receiver spot.
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Speaker 2: Well, ja, if you alluded to it, let's just take
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Speaker 2: a quick look.
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Speaker 3: And this was a great work by Clifton Dutton, our
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Speaker 3: researcher here on the NFL Report. These are rookies who
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Speaker 3: led their team in receiving last year, Poka Nakuas eight flowers,
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Speaker 3: Jayden Reed, Domrio Douglas.
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Speaker 2: That's four led their team in receiving.
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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two, Garrett Wilson Chris Olave both over a
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Speaker 3: thousand yards, Drake London, and then at twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 3: you've got Jamar Chase fourteen hundred yards, Jalen Wattle more
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Speaker 3: than a thousand, aman Ros Saint Brown, Elijah Moore.
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Speaker 2: These guys are ready.
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Speaker 3: Teams aren't afraid to draft wide receivers anymore because, like
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Speaker 3: you said, they've been playing seven on seven since they've been.
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Speaker 2: Nine years old.
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Speaker 3: You know, though, they've got to have somebody throw the
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Speaker 3: ball to them. JP and coming up tracked. This is
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Speaker 3: going to be some stellar stuff. We're going to be
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Speaker 3: talking to John Beck, a private quarterback trainer who works
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Speaker 3: only with some of the best draft prospects, but some
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we are back at the NFL Report, James Palmer,
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Speaker 3: and we are now joined by John Beck, who's a
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Speaker 3: this might be the busiest man in America right now,
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Speaker 3: especially with these ags. He trained several quarterbacks at the Combine.
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Speaker 3: He works a lot of guys already in the league. John,
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Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us here at the NFL Report.
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Speaker 3: And speaking of the Combine. Okay, you've got Michael Pennix,
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Speaker 3: You've got JJ McCarthy. Would love just to kind of
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Speaker 3: get your immediate review of how they performed this weekend.
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Speaker 5: Well, I thought they had good throwing sessions.
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Speaker 6: I think that's kind of the main thing when you're
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Speaker 6: at quarterback and you're theres you just want to let
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Speaker 6: people to coach just see you now what for some
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Speaker 6: of them, it's the first time live, you know. I know,
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Speaker 6: scouts and general managers and assistant gms have seen these
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Speaker 6: guys play throughout the season during their college games, but
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Speaker 6: this is really the first time for an NFL coach
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Speaker 6: to be field level with those guys and so to
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Speaker 6: be able to you know, Mike felt felt good about
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Speaker 6: his performance, so did JJ. I mean there's always going
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Speaker 6: to be those couple of pros where they're throwing the
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Speaker 6: guys they'd never thrown to. Maybe the routes a little
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Speaker 6: different than what they anticipated and it's not quite they
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Speaker 6: hooked it with have been. But I tell the guys, look,
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Speaker 6: it's not about being perfect about going out there knowing
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Speaker 6: these teams who you are and give him a chance
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Speaker 6: to see you live.
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Speaker 5: And I think both guys did a pretty good job
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Speaker 5: of that.
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Speaker 1: John, I'm looking, you know, talking to guys around around
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Speaker 1: the league. They really like Michael's performance in this combine
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Speaker 1: setting and the throwing session. I don't think that's a
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Speaker 1: surprise to anyone with the way that he throws the football.
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Speaker 1: I kind of want to look back too years past.
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Speaker 1: Is there anybody that threw at the combine that you've
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Speaker 1: worked with or that you know really dramatically helped themselves
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Speaker 1: after everybody got a chance to see them throw up close.
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Speaker 1: Because when these quarterback coaches and guys can stand right
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Speaker 1: behind you, did that change or improve anybody's perception that
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Speaker 1: you've worked with in the years past.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think I'm just going to use last year's combine. CJ.
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Speaker 6: Stroud decided to throw last year and he probably didn't
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Speaker 6: need to throw, but he decided to do it. And
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Speaker 6: I just remember afterwards the number of text messages I
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Speaker 6: got because guys were just like wow, I mean I
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Speaker 6: saw good stuff on tape, but that was awesome. And
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Speaker 6: I remember CJ feeling great about his performance.
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Speaker 5: He was happy that he did it.
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Speaker 6: I mean, and that to me was coaches loved that
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Speaker 6: he went out there and threw. CJ nailed it, had
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Speaker 6: a great performance. And so it's not like it really
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Speaker 6: like improved his stock. I mean, you kind of knew
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Speaker 6: that him and Bryce were the top guys, but I
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Speaker 6: think for a lot of teams they said, wow, that
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Speaker 6: ball really just jumps off his hand and spins so clean,
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Speaker 6: and you know, so yes, it was a definite you know,
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Speaker 6: man teams, really I think, wait, what you can say,
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Speaker 6: you know, answered questions or got a great first look
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Speaker 6: that really said and this guy, this guy's talented. You know,
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Speaker 6: that's the first thing that popped in my head. Ye, CJ,
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Speaker 6: right there did a great job.
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Speaker 3: Well, if we talked about Michael Panics and JJ McCarthy,
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Speaker 3: but you also trained the hydro Trophy winner Jayden and
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Speaker 3: Daniels and stylistically, these are three very different types of players, Like,
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Speaker 3: how do you go about training them and prepping them
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Speaker 3: knowing that they've got different skill sets to amplify those strengths.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think I wouldn't be able to answer that
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Speaker 6: question without talking about our team of coaches here. Taylor
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Speaker 6: Kelly and Adam Dato spent a lot of time with
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Speaker 6: these guys as well, and really it's a team effort
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Speaker 6: from all of us. Taylor Kelly's won that spends a
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Speaker 6: ton of time with Jaden throughout the last couple of seasons,
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Speaker 6: and so the amount of work that they put in. Yes,
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Speaker 6: each guy's different, and we can't train every guy alike,
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Speaker 6: and the things that we can recognize that their body's
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Speaker 6: capable of or that they can do, we really try
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Speaker 6: to capitalize on those things.
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Speaker 5: And speaking of Jada, and he's such a unique.
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Speaker 6: Individual, and I've really watched him progress over the last
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Speaker 6: twenty months as a thrower, and he's so flicky with
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Speaker 6: the ball right now, and his accuracy as he progresses
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Speaker 6: through throws really gone up.
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Speaker 5: And I mean you just saw it on display all
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Speaker 5: throughout the season.
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Speaker 6: And when you have somebody that's that capable in the
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Speaker 6: throwing game now, and then he has the athleticism to
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Speaker 6: go with it. It's why he had such a remarkable year.
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Speaker 6: But I look at those statistics that you guys threw
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Speaker 6: up right there, forty touchdowns to four interceptions with a
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Speaker 6: seventy two percentage in the sec. You can't do that
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Speaker 6: unless you are a premier thrower. And really that's where
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Speaker 6: Jaden advanced in his game as a thrower, and it
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Speaker 6: was awesome to see it on display during the twenty
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Speaker 6: three season.
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Speaker 1: John, When you look at Jaden and we're looking at
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Speaker 1: his size right there too. That's one of the very
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Speaker 1: few questions about his game I hear when I ask
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Speaker 1: around the league. Is this one of those things you've
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Speaker 1: been around so many quarterbacks, work with them, seeing them
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Speaker 1: grow from their college maybe body to what their NFL
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Speaker 1: body can become. Is he one of those guys that
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Speaker 1: can put on I don't know, ten fifteen pounds in
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Speaker 1: the first maybe two years, And how do you kind
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Speaker 1: of gauge that or maybe make sure teams can understand
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Speaker 1: that about his body type.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is a question that you know, people do ask.
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Speaker 6: I think when you see his frame's a frame is
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Speaker 6: going to be easy to add weight to it.
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Speaker 5: You know, I think that sometimes.
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Speaker 6: Those guys that are the leaner guys just kind of
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Speaker 6: genetically but they have that elite you know, speed and
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Speaker 6: that kind of like shiftiness, Like you don't want that
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Speaker 6: guy being the two twenty guy. You're not going to say, hey,
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Speaker 6: well we really need you to sit back in the
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Speaker 6: pocket and be able to take those hits. Like he's
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Speaker 6: probably always going to be a little bit on that
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Speaker 6: leaner side because of his game, but his frame is
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Speaker 6: definitely capable of putting some weight on. And I think
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Speaker 6: that that kind of happens naturally. I've seen with guys
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Speaker 6: they have kind of that like fresh out.
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Speaker 5: Of college body.
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Speaker 6: It's really only a few years removed from that freshman
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Speaker 6: high you know, hey, I graduated from high school. I
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Speaker 6: got that one hundred you know, eighty eight, two hundred
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Speaker 6: and ninety five pound freshman body.
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Speaker 5: Well that all of a sudden just continues to progress.
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Speaker 6: And now all of a sudden, they get in their
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Speaker 6: mid twenties, they start getting twenty six, twenty seven years old,
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Speaker 6: and now that five ten extra pounds.
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Speaker 5: It's just there because the body is maturing.
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Speaker 6: But you know, when you stand side by side with
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Speaker 6: Jayden or you put him next to people that are
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Speaker 6: too ten two fifteen. You see from a frame standpoint,
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Speaker 6: that's going to be easy for him to add on
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Speaker 6: as the years go. And as long as he can
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Speaker 6: maintain his athleticism and speed while adding those pounds, then great.
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Speaker 3: That grown man strength is whether you know, of course
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Speaker 3: they like to call it, is that natural maturity. I
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Speaker 3: got a question for you about j J McCarthy because
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Speaker 3: we talked about it on the show. Like an incredibly
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Speaker 3: talented player, a super high recruit, but he wasn't asked
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Speaker 3: necessary to always win ball games with his arm, right.
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Speaker 3: It's the leadership most tangible, those intangible types of things.
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Speaker 3: What about a player like him who maybe when he
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Speaker 3: goes to the NFL he can show off a skill
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Speaker 3: set or a talent that wasn't actually asked to be
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Speaker 3: you know, enunciated the way it is with some of these.
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Speaker 2: Other quarterback Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Well, you know, this is a conversation we've had as
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Speaker 6: we prepare him for what teams are going to ask
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Speaker 6: and what evaluators.
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Speaker 5: Are going to be saying.
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Speaker 6: You know, and to him when when you talk to him,
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Speaker 6: he says, in practice, we were always preparing ourselves to
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Speaker 6: win games that way if we needed to. Always spending
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Speaker 6: time on two minute preparation, we were always spending time
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Speaker 6: on red zone reps, knowing the football like all of
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Speaker 6: those things were things that they practiced a lot. So,
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Speaker 6: you know, it just was given the situation that his
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Speaker 6: team was usually winning in games, he wasn't asked to
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Speaker 6: have to go out there and win the game in
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Speaker 6: the fourth quarter except for one, and he did it
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Speaker 6: right against Alabama and.
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Speaker 5: The rolls ball and he did it.
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Speaker 6: But when you talk to him about preparation for those situations,
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Speaker 6: he feels very prepared because of the work that they
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Speaker 6: put in. Knowing we are going to be a national
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Speaker 6: championship football team somewhere along that road, We're going to
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Speaker 6: have to win the game that way, and so he
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Speaker 6: has a lot of reps in practice.
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Speaker 5: It's just his team didn't have to do it a
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Speaker 5: lot in games.
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Speaker 1: That's great information, man, I get that. And kind of
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Speaker 1: grouping these three guys together, you look at the number
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Speaker 1: of starts that they had John at the collegiate level,
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Speaker 1: you had a lot of starts at Pleeves left. What
16:51
Speaker 1: are you learning about these quarterbacks that come to you
16:53
Speaker 1: in this process and they're getting ready for the league.
16:56
Speaker 1: But they've played a lot of college football. Now, the
16:58
Speaker 1: name that everybody in the NFL heeps talk talking about
17:00
Speaker 1: is maybe that was an advantage for Brock Purty, right,
17:02
Speaker 1: the number of games that he played at the collegiate level.
17:05
Speaker 1: What maybe about their games with all of these snacks
17:08
Speaker 1: that these three guys you're working with right now have played,
17:11
Speaker 1: that gives you maybe is it a different starting point,
17:14
Speaker 1: is it a different conversation you have with them during
17:17
Speaker 1: this process?
17:18
Speaker 5: Well, I think you nailed it as you were posing
17:20
Speaker 5: that question.
17:21
Speaker 6: The first game that popped in my head was brought
17:22
Speaker 6: Purty because I do think experience matters. I think the
17:26
Speaker 6: amount of games you've played in college, and not only
17:28
Speaker 6: the number of games, but the experiences that you've had
17:31
Speaker 6: in those games. What have you been asked to do?
17:33
Speaker 5: What does your team needed from you?
17:35
Speaker 6: I mean when I was young in the league, Bill
17:37
Speaker 6: Parcells had the you know, these are my things that
17:39
Speaker 6: a quarterback has to have done in college or I
17:41
Speaker 6: will not consider taking them. And some of those were
17:44
Speaker 6: tied back to experience. So as I look at these guys,
17:47
Speaker 6: you know, yes, I do think the timetable can be different.
17:50
Speaker 6: You know, right now in the NFL, when you select
17:52
Speaker 6: the guy high, it's very difficult to hold off from
17:55
Speaker 6: playing in especially if the team's not winning ball games early.
17:59
Speaker 6: So hey, you may have a plan to take a
18:01
Speaker 6: guy and say, hey, we're going to let this guy
18:03
Speaker 6: sit a little bit, We're gonna let this guy develop,
18:05
Speaker 6: But you don't always get that opportunity because of the
18:08
Speaker 6: situation that your team is in, and so guys can
18:10
Speaker 6: be forced to play earlier than they probably should. And
18:13
Speaker 6: I think when you look at all of these quarterbacks,
18:15
Speaker 6: that's something you got to take into consideration. Okay, we
18:18
Speaker 6: love this guy, we're intrigued by him, we think he's talented.
18:20
Speaker 6: We want to take this guy. When might we have
18:23
Speaker 6: to play him. Do we have the luxury of giving
18:26
Speaker 6: him some time to develop? Or he can be one
18:28
Speaker 6: of those guys where, if you know, we don't start
18:30
Speaker 6: off great at the beginning of the season with another quarterback,
18:32
Speaker 6: there's going to be that pressure for us to put
18:34
Speaker 6: our first round quarterback out on the field. And now,
18:37
Speaker 6: depending on the experiences that he's had to spending on
18:39
Speaker 6: the situations he's played in in games, you know, even offenses.
18:42
Speaker 6: Two of those guys have had to switch offenses when
18:44
Speaker 6: they switched universities, right, you know. And it's no knock
18:47
Speaker 6: on JJ, but he got to play in one offense
18:49
Speaker 6: the entire time and it benefited him. And that's one
18:51
Speaker 6: of the reasons why those guys got to be so successful.
18:54
Speaker 6: And so it's just tough because you don't know the
18:55
Speaker 6: situation they're going to land in. You don't know the
18:57
Speaker 6: timetable when they got to be a starter. Experience always
19:01
Speaker 6: always helps when you are thrust into the scene.
19:04
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you said that, because I do think
19:06
Speaker 3: the evaluation because of Rock Perry, the NFL evaluation on
19:09
Speaker 3: these quarterbacks might feel a little different to Hey, Michael
19:12
Speaker 3: Pennix played five years, right, so we.
19:14
Speaker 2: Can put him in because he played in big games.
19:16
Speaker 3: He's seen circumstances. Someone's only played, you know, eighteen or
19:20
Speaker 3: nineteen games, hasn't. I want to get to your other
19:22
Speaker 3: point playing the guy early and that's you.
19:24
Speaker 2: You worked with CJ.
19:24
Speaker 3: Stroud and we saw how he came in and had
19:27
Speaker 3: arguably the greatest rookie quarterback season of anybody. Knowing him
19:33
Speaker 3: and working with him, how does he take it to
19:36
Speaker 3: the next level.
19:37
Speaker 6: Oh man, Well, first off, anytime you have that type
19:40
Speaker 6: of success early, now there comes an expectation, right, and
19:43
Speaker 6: I think you know, like one of the cool things
19:45
Speaker 6: about CJ stories last year was who expected the Houston
19:48
Speaker 6: Texans with you know, a rookie quarterback to do what
19:51
Speaker 6: they did? And so there wasn't really an expectation. These
19:54
Speaker 6: guys probably at times got to feel like they're playing
19:56
Speaker 6: a little bit house money. Now, that doesn't take away
19:58
Speaker 6: from the pressure. Every NFL team feels pressure on Sundays,
20:02
Speaker 6: especially a team that had an opportunity to make a
20:04
Speaker 6: playoff run, right, to get into the playoffs, win the
20:07
Speaker 6: division and.
20:07
Speaker 1: All of that.
20:07
Speaker 5: So they understand pressure.
20:09
Speaker 6: Now the pressure is going to be a little bit different,
20:11
Speaker 6: right because now there's a bit of an expectation, you know.
20:13
Speaker 6: And so to see jam My guess is and there's
20:16
Speaker 6: probably a reason why he's already started his offseason work
20:19
Speaker 6: is because he's saying, I like that expectation. I like
20:22
Speaker 6: that as a competitive guy, the way that he's built,
20:24
Speaker 6: he's saying, fine, this is what I always wanted it
20:26
Speaker 6: to be. So now I'm going to just try to
20:28
Speaker 6: advance and every way it possibly can and it's actually
20:30
Speaker 6: going to go back to that word of experience. Now
20:32
Speaker 6: here's a young man that has an entire rookie year
20:34
Speaker 6: under his belt that is just going to do nothing.
20:37
Speaker 5: But help him.
20:37
Speaker 6: He gets to keep the same offense, same coordinator, same
20:40
Speaker 6: crew of guys around him. It's going to be great
20:41
Speaker 6: to see his progression over this offseason into the next season.
20:47
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in the state of Texas because
20:49
Speaker 1: you also work with Dak Prescott. You've done it several,
20:52
Speaker 1: you know, several off seasons, and I love an added
20:56
Speaker 1: aspect of his game that maybe we saw in years
20:58
Speaker 1: past John but was kind of gone for was him
21:01
Speaker 1: creating and playing outside the pocket. When I talked to
21:03
Speaker 1: people in Dallas, they were so excited to have that back.
21:06
Speaker 1: They said, maybe it was the fear of the injury.
21:08
Speaker 1: They're not entirely sure, but that added back into his game.
21:12
Speaker 1: What did you like about Dak's year that he had
21:15
Speaker 1: and maybe were there any conversations you guys had heading
21:18
Speaker 1: into last year that you maybe wanted to add that
21:20
Speaker 1: aspect or saw that other aspect. I'm kind of curious
21:23
Speaker 1: for your tape.
21:25
Speaker 6: Well, I think that's a natural part of Dak's game.
21:27
Speaker 6: I do think that the injury, you know, a few
21:30
Speaker 6: years back, definitely impacted that. And I watched that guy
21:34
Speaker 6: just work relentless for years to come back from that, right,
21:39
Speaker 6: and it takes time. I mean, that was a significant injury.
21:41
Speaker 6: That is not just something that you quickly overcome. So,
21:44
Speaker 6: I mean, Dak is one of the most competitive dudes
21:46
Speaker 6: I've ever been around. He worked so hard and I think,
21:49
Speaker 6: you know, Kings, things kind of came together this year
21:52
Speaker 6: that allowed him to be that version of himself to
21:54
Speaker 6: create and he created a lot of plays. I thought
21:57
Speaker 6: he had an outstanding near I know it ended in
21:59
Speaker 6: a tough way, you know, is really bitter taste in
22:01
Speaker 6: those guys mouth have the season that showed a lot
22:04
Speaker 6: of signs of promise and that way, But I love
22:06
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm seeing these clips right here. I mean
22:08
Speaker 6: that that to me is all of the things that
22:10
Speaker 6: Dak possessed his and to come back from that injury.
22:13
Speaker 6: It's a testament of Dak's work that he put in,
22:16
Speaker 6: and also the team of people around and you know,
22:18
Speaker 6: the medical staff and the et people that put time
22:21
Speaker 6: into helping him get back to that place. That's what
22:24
Speaker 6: he's capable of, right there, all those things that we
22:25
Speaker 6: saw this year. I mean there there was a stretch
22:28
Speaker 6: of games where it looked like he was one of
22:29
Speaker 6: the faperits to be the MVP, right And so you know,
22:32
Speaker 6: it's great to see Dak back in that place. And
22:34
Speaker 6: as he gets working this offseason, I'm sure he's going
22:36
Speaker 6: to continue to just want to keep growing in all
22:39
Speaker 6: those areas that he can. And with what happened last year,
22:41
Speaker 6: there's probably that that mindset to really just grinding get.
22:45
Speaker 5: After it this year and it should be a great
22:46
Speaker 5: offseason for him.
22:47
Speaker 6: Yeah.
22:47
Speaker 3: I only go about forty five seconds here, but you
22:49
Speaker 3: also worked with Zach Wilson, whose career with the Jets
22:52
Speaker 3: looks like it's coming to an end. It seems like,
22:53
Speaker 3: you know the Jets, you know when you hear what
22:55
Speaker 3: they're saying that you know he's going to be.
22:57
Speaker 2: Gone from there.
22:59
Speaker 3: How was a young man who's been through everything he's
23:00
Speaker 3: been through get his confidence back even to play as
23:03
Speaker 3: a backup? Like, how do you you know him? How
23:05
Speaker 3: does he get it back really feel like playing football
23:08
Speaker 3: is funny?
23:08
Speaker 2: Again?
23:09
Speaker 6: Well, Zach's a gritty kid, and this experience that he
23:12
Speaker 6: had at the New York Jets. I know that he
23:15
Speaker 6: probably wishes it would have gone a little bit different,
23:17
Speaker 6: But just like anybody has to do in life, you
23:19
Speaker 6: just have to stay gritty, You got to push through,
23:22
Speaker 6: you got to stay persistent, and that's exactly what he's doing.
23:24
Speaker 6: And I think an opportunity, you know, to be able
23:26
Speaker 6: to continue to grow somewhere, it would be exactly what
23:28
Speaker 6: he needs. And I think he's excited for the offseason,
23:32
Speaker 6: you know, I think. I mean, look, life, life sometimes
23:34
Speaker 6: just throws these major curve balls, man, and it would
23:36
Speaker 6: have been really cool to see things go great for Zach,
23:39
Speaker 6: for the coaches that were there. I mean, I had
23:41
Speaker 6: a chance to be in that building. There's a lot
23:42
Speaker 6: of good dudes in that building. It just didn't work.
23:45
Speaker 6: And sometimes that happens in the NFL. And it doesn't
23:47
Speaker 6: mean that the players not talented or the coaches. It
23:50
Speaker 6: mean it's just sometimes it doesn't work.
23:52
Speaker 5: And so I think an.
23:52
Speaker 6: Opportunity to kind of reset and use all that experience
23:56
Speaker 6: that he has. I mean, the kids played in thirty
23:57
Speaker 6: something football games, and like I mentioned before, like he's
24:01
Speaker 6: a tough kid, and this this situation that he's had
24:04
Speaker 6: to go through is just gonna make him tougher, and
24:07
Speaker 6: you know, then you just move on from there and
24:09
Speaker 6: you stay positive and you hope that he can land
24:11
Speaker 6: a place that's going to allow him to continue to grow.
24:13
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome, stub job. We're going to talk to you
24:15
Speaker 1: for probably the duration of our entire show because I
24:18
Speaker 1: love what you guys do at three D QWOB. It's
24:20
Speaker 1: not like you just but it's not like you just
24:22
Speaker 1: prepare guys for the draft. I mean they keep coming
24:24
Speaker 1: back for a reason because you're doing such a good
24:27
Speaker 1: job keeping them playing at a high level and adding
24:29
Speaker 1: to why they're playing. This isn't just prepping them for
24:31
Speaker 1: the draft. This is keeping quarterbacks playing at a high level,
24:34
Speaker 1: and you guys do a brilliant job of it. So
24:35
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thank you having time John to
24:38
Speaker 1: spend some time with us.
24:39
Speaker 5: Steve and I, oh yeah, you guys are welcome. Thank
24:41
Speaker 5: you for the kind words.
24:42
Speaker 1: Man. I love this job.
24:43
Speaker 5: I love working with these guys. And it's like you said,
24:45
Speaker 5: like when I get a chance to work with these
24:46
Speaker 5: young guys, these.
24:47
Speaker 6: Guys JJ McCarthy, Mike Pennix, Jayden Daniels, these are guys
24:50
Speaker 6: we've been training for three three plus years. So I
24:53
Speaker 6: love just trying to help these guys with not only
24:55
Speaker 6: this process but man their career. And so thank you,
24:58
Speaker 6: thank you for noticing that I appreciate the words.
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25:20
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25:23
Speaker 1: on the NFL Report. Welcome back to the NFL Report,
25:39
Speaker 1: James Palmer, Steve wife. A few things just feel more
25:41
Speaker 1: comfortable now, don't they, Steve. We have our NFL Report insider,
25:45
Speaker 1: Mike Garrifolo back with us, and everything just is alright
25:49
Speaker 1: with the world. We had a wonderful time in Indianapolis, Mike.
25:51
Speaker 1: We broke bread a couple of times. One was touching
25:53
Speaker 1: go for a second there, but we made it out
25:54
Speaker 1: all right, and you break the news now that we're
25:57
Speaker 1: out of Indianapolis with Mike Evans re signing with the
26:01
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. How does this go down? And then
26:04
Speaker 1: also how does this impact the rest of the wide
26:07
Speaker 1: receiver free agent market with the guy at the top
26:10
Speaker 1: of the class now resigning.
26:12
Speaker 7: As I left Indianapolis, James, I thought that this was
26:14
Speaker 7: going to go the other way. I thought Mike Evans
26:16
Speaker 7: was going to get a fresh start somewhere else. Didn't
26:18
Speaker 7: seem like the Buccaneers' efforts in Indianapolis with Derek Gilmore,
26:23
Speaker 7: who is Mike Evans agent, we're going to.
26:25
Speaker 8: Result in a deal.
26:26
Speaker 7: But things changed within the last couple of days, and
26:28
Speaker 7: the Bucks really stepped up within the last couple of
26:30
Speaker 7: days because the buzz in Indianapolis was a bunch of
26:33
Speaker 7: teams were getting ready to pounce on Mike Evans here,
26:38
Speaker 7: who was going to be thirty one but yet still
26:40
Speaker 7: commanding and not top of the receiver market because this
26:43
Speaker 7: is going to be into the thirties. But we're talking
26:45
Speaker 7: about twenty six million dollars per season over two years.
26:49
Speaker 7: But he tied for the league leading touchdowns last year
26:52
Speaker 7: and has been at a thousand yard clip for his
26:54
Speaker 7: entire career. So this is a big retain by the
26:57
Speaker 7: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who were also still looking to to
27:00
Speaker 7: retain Baker Mayfield. I think in the end that winds
27:02
Speaker 7: up happening, and could happen this week, well before the
27:05
Speaker 7: start of free agency. It sounds like they had fruitful
27:07
Speaker 7: talks in Indianapolis between Baker Mayfield representatives and the Buccaneers.
27:12
Speaker 7: But there is still work doing. There's still gonna be
27:14
Speaker 7: other teams that could potentially be interested. But getting Evans
27:17
Speaker 7: back that is going to be a big incentive for
27:19
Speaker 7: Mayfield to return. You talked about that receiver market. If
27:23
Speaker 7: you want to call Evans the top guy there, Michael
27:25
Speaker 7: Pittman with the Colts, one way or another, he's going
27:27
Speaker 7: to stay in Indianapolis, whether it's the franchise tag or
27:30
Speaker 7: what not. T Higgins already been franchise tag. So you know,
27:34
Speaker 7: Calvin Ridley now looking like he's going to be at
27:36
Speaker 7: the top of the market. Hollywood Brown Odell. I mean,
27:39
Speaker 7: it's not the deepest class gave Davis. That's a big
27:42
Speaker 7: body guy. If you want to compare to Mike Evans,
27:44
Speaker 7: Mike Williams who could come free from the Chargers, another
27:46
Speaker 7: big body guy. So if i'm those guys, I say, Okay,
27:50
Speaker 7: this guy just came off the market as that prototypical
27:52
Speaker 7: big body X type guy.
27:54
Speaker 8: That should help me, I think if you're looking at
27:57
Speaker 8: those guys.
27:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:58
Speaker 3: Michael James and I talked earlier in the show though
28:00
Speaker 3: about how all of these outstanding rookies coming out could
28:03
Speaker 3: really impact negatively impact guys like the Gabe Davises and
28:07
Speaker 3: the Marquis Browns of the world. Like, let's get to
28:09
Speaker 3: the fact that the franchise tag deadline expires Tuesday, right,
28:13
Speaker 3: and we could have guys like Stone Cold Jones and
28:17
Speaker 3: Christian Wilkins hitting free agency, Like what what does that mean?
28:22
Speaker 3: Especially when you look at you know, some of the
28:25
Speaker 3: draft analyst rankings, defensive tackle is probably one of the
28:29
Speaker 3: thinner positions among the prospects this year.
28:32
Speaker 7: That's what Chris Jones, who yeah, Chris jon Yes, exactly,
28:35
Speaker 7: Chris Jones, who this year took a hit to come
28:38
Speaker 7: back to the Kansas City Chiefs. Here sitting at that
28:40
Speaker 7: first game and then hitting the second incentive in week eighteen.
28:45
Speaker 7: I'm laughing because I can't forget the scene of his
28:47
Speaker 7: teammates celebrating with him in week eighteen when he got that.
28:50
Speaker 8: What a scene that was.
28:52
Speaker 7: Look still at the top of his game, still at
28:54
Speaker 7: the top of his interview game. Because if you watch
28:57
Speaker 7: James Palmer get Chris Jones after a big game, you
29:00
Speaker 7: know there's gonna be something special in that one on
29:02
Speaker 7: one interview and listen. He may stay in the West games,
29:05
Speaker 7: he may stay in the exactly so you may still
29:07
Speaker 7: continue to get your chances with these games that you're covering.
29:10
Speaker 7: To get Chris Jones, you just gotta beat the Chiefs
29:13
Speaker 7: when he faces him if he wants to be with
29:14
Speaker 7: James Palmer, because you've got to win the thing to
29:17
Speaker 7: get with Palmer.
29:18
Speaker 8: But yeah, he listened. Between him and Christian Wilkins. Wilkins
29:22
Speaker 8: a horrific player.
29:24
Speaker 7: The Dolphins have made several attempts to kind of lock
29:26
Speaker 7: him up and get him under contract.
29:28
Speaker 8: Hasn't quite happened to this point. So yeah, those two
29:30
Speaker 8: guys big bags of money coming their way.
29:32
Speaker 2: Well, hold hold up, Mike, hold up, hold up. You
29:34
Speaker 2: said he may stay in the AFC West. You cannot leave.
29:37
Speaker 2: You cannot leave him hanging here. Brother, there's only three
29:39
Speaker 2: other teams.
29:40
Speaker 7: You gotta help us, thinking, Yeah, well, multiple teams in
29:45
Speaker 7: the AFC West need help. The defensive line I'm just
29:48
Speaker 7: saying that the place where he played his last game
29:52
Speaker 7: as a Chief maybe his first game as somebody.
29:55
Speaker 1: I don't know.
29:56
Speaker 7: I'm just saying I don't know who knows, and that
29:59
Speaker 7: could be that the team is maybe for Week one.
30:02
Speaker 7: Maybe that's what I'm saying.
30:03
Speaker 1: I don't know.
30:03
Speaker 8: I haven't seen an advanced schedule. I have no idea.
30:05
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to find a way to not allude
30:07
Speaker 8: to the fact that it's the Raiders. I'm talking about.
30:09
Speaker 2: Well done, Hey, well done, brother, good job, Mike.
30:14
Speaker 1: I love that because I think about this, Mike, like
30:16
Speaker 1: you look at what's going on in Kansas City, and
30:18
Speaker 1: it looks like they're gonna, you know, tag l Jerious
30:20
Speaker 1: need and then they're gonna let him maybe possibly seek
30:23
Speaker 1: a trade or they could end up dealing him in
30:25
Speaker 1: a sense that could also come into play. That that's
30:27
Speaker 1: some of their thinking. If they can get Chris Jones
30:29
Speaker 1: under thirty.
30:30
Speaker 8: I don't know if that's possible.
30:32
Speaker 1: When we're talking about how desperate some of these teams
30:34
Speaker 1: may be at the defensive tackle spot, is that realistic?
30:37
Speaker 1: But maybe that's part of the Chiefs thinking of trying
30:39
Speaker 1: to bring him back. Also, two of their names. I
30:42
Speaker 1: look at in a position that's just fascinating. It's not
30:44
Speaker 1: deep in the draft. It's the running back spot. And
30:47
Speaker 1: then you have two names like Saquon Barkley and Derrick
30:50
Speaker 1: Henry out there. I bring them up because they're not
30:52
Speaker 1: normal human beings playing the running back position. Their skill set,
30:56
Speaker 1: their ability almost outliers in a lot of people's mind.
31:00
Speaker 1: Where do things stand at the running back spot with
31:03
Speaker 1: those two guys, because it's similar to the d tackle
31:05
Speaker 1: spot with not a lot of guys coming out in
31:07
Speaker 1: the draft there.
31:08
Speaker 7: Yeah, it does feel like Derek Henry is going to
31:10
Speaker 7: have a fresh start somewhere else. I mean, I know
31:11
Speaker 7: we've connected them so often to the Baltimore Ravens, who
31:14
Speaker 7: have a bunch of free agents at the running back position.
31:17
Speaker 7: On their own right, they'll perhaps they'll just say, all right,
31:19
Speaker 7: we'll let those guys go and bring in Derek Henry
31:22
Speaker 7: finally connect on what we've been speculating about at trade
31:25
Speaker 7: deadlines in otherwise, Look, it's gonna be it's gonna be
31:28
Speaker 7: the haves and the have nots again at the running
31:30
Speaker 7: back position. There's gonna be that same cliff that you
31:33
Speaker 7: always have because you can go out there and try
31:35
Speaker 7: and make a run at Sae Kwon Barkley and Derreck
31:37
Speaker 7: Henry and Josh Jacobs, and even if you have Tony power,
31:41
Speaker 7: I don't think he is going to be in that echelon.
31:43
Speaker 7: But then you fall off and you've got either veteran
31:45
Speaker 7: guys like Ezekiel Elliott you can go after, or the
31:48
Speaker 7: DeAndre Swifts or Zach Vosses.
31:50
Speaker 8: I mean, Zach Boss is gonna.
31:51
Speaker 7: Wind up getting a nice payday for himself. But these
31:54
Speaker 7: guys are looking to be up in the double digits,
31:56
Speaker 7: which is where that franchise tag was last year. Now,
31:59
Speaker 7: I'm told Saquon Barkley and the Giants had good discussions
32:03
Speaker 7: in Indianapolis, which is fine. I just think in the end,
32:06
Speaker 7: for Barkley, it's going to depend on and not that
32:09
Speaker 7: this is a cop out, but this is my way
32:11
Speaker 7: of answering it.
32:12
Speaker 8: It's going to depend on what everybody else is going
32:14
Speaker 8: to be willing to do. I truly believe, because the
32:16
Speaker 8: Giants are going to make a run at this.
32:17
Speaker 7: But the Giants started at a certain number, which was
32:19
Speaker 7: why swallowed a half million dollars per year. I want
32:22
Speaker 7: to say, back in October of twenty two, and then
32:25
Speaker 7: that number wound up coming down each time they made
32:27
Speaker 7: a run at it, and I don't know where it's
32:29
Speaker 7: gonna wind up being on this go round, But again
32:31
Speaker 7: I do know that they had good conversations so much
32:34
Speaker 7: as last year when the when the deadline to do
32:36
Speaker 7: a deal with Barkley in July came and went, and
32:39
Speaker 7: I said, well, that's it.
32:40
Speaker 8: This is gonna be his last year with the Giants.
32:41
Speaker 7: He's And then shortly thereafter I had some conversations with
32:44
Speaker 7: folks in the building and said, no, we're going to
32:46
Speaker 7: make a run at this in the d We still
32:47
Speaker 7: want this guy around. It's just it couldn't agree quite
32:50
Speaker 7: on the compensation. So I'm not ruling his chances out
32:53
Speaker 7: of resigning with the Giants. We'll be tracking it as
32:55
Speaker 7: we get closer here.
32:56
Speaker 3: I cannot say the Cowboys don't try to make a
32:58
Speaker 3: move for him. He just fits with doing their run
33:01
Speaker 3: game so well, the dual threat he possesses, and I'm
33:04
Speaker 3: gonna get back at the Giant. It would be a
33:06
Speaker 3: nice little, you know, taste of honey on the top
33:08
Speaker 3: of that. As you've button up here, you know, we
33:10
Speaker 3: know you're on the Eagles a lot. We saw Jason
33:12
Speaker 3: Kelcey announce his retirement on Monday. Just your your thoughts,
33:17
Speaker 3: maybe just on you know, his career, the retirement, his
33:20
Speaker 3: future place, potentially in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
33:23
Speaker 3: just anything, because you again, you've been around him an
33:26
Speaker 3: awful lot.
33:27
Speaker 7: The biggest thing is the way that he and the
33:30
Speaker 7: community and the city of Philadelphia jibed over the years.
33:33
Speaker 7: And you know he made it sound simple. It's not simple, right, Like, yes,
33:36
Speaker 7: you've got to play hard, right, but there's other elements
33:39
Speaker 7: to it. You gotta be really good. You gotta be
33:41
Speaker 7: really good. Let's not forget about that.
33:43
Speaker 8: At what you do.
33:44
Speaker 7: You've got to play hard, yes, but you also, you know,
33:47
Speaker 7: you don't make any excuses. You certainly can't snap back.
33:49
Speaker 7: If you ever take a shot back at the fans,
33:51
Speaker 7: that'll be the death. Knew, most likely for your relationship
33:54
Speaker 7: with the organization or with the city. Excuse me, but
33:57
Speaker 7: I thought he understood the market be better than anybody
34:01
Speaker 7: I have ever seen in my time growing up in
34:04
Speaker 7: Philadelphia rooting for these teams and covering these teams. You know,
34:08
Speaker 7: I stopped being an Eagles fan when I was covering
34:10
Speaker 7: the Eagles because you got to be objective. It's just
34:11
Speaker 7: so hard to be a fan anymore so his time
34:14
Speaker 7: playing with the Eagles, I wasn't a fan of the team.
34:17
Speaker 7: But the way that I cover him in the way
34:19
Speaker 7: that I saw that he handled the media and the
34:22
Speaker 7: relationship with the organization and the fan base is unlike
34:25
Speaker 7: anything I've ever seen.
34:27
Speaker 8: You've got to appreciate that.
34:28
Speaker 7: I would imagine he's still going to have a role
34:30
Speaker 7: within the organization. It sounds like it could be as
34:32
Speaker 7: big of a role as he pretty much wants. But
34:36
Speaker 7: there are other things that have already come across his
34:39
Speaker 7: plate right now to do things way outside of the
34:44
Speaker 7: realm of traditional NFL football players. Opportunities not supposed to say.
34:50
Speaker 7: The one that I heard, which is the most interesting,
34:52
Speaker 7: we'll see if winds up happening, but it is.
34:54
Speaker 8: It is incredible.
34:56
Speaker 7: The way that he is misted with that fan base
34:58
Speaker 7: with that city. I'm sorry, Jens, I can't do it
35:00
Speaker 7: with that fan base with that city.
35:02
Speaker 1: Uh.
35:03
Speaker 7: And the way that that now over the last couple
35:04
Speaker 7: of years has translated nationally as well, real.
35:08
Speaker 2: Real quick and Madison.
35:09
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for this, but I got to take it
35:10
Speaker 3: to I got two Philly guys here, what does he
35:13
Speaker 3: kind of rank, you know, kind of dovetailing off what
35:15
Speaker 3: Mike said, what does he rank with both you guys
35:18
Speaker 3: on some of the greatest athletes in terms of that
35:20
Speaker 3: community relation whatever among Philly folks, and.
35:24
Speaker 1: He might be one. I don't think anybody else at
35:27
Speaker 1: a head. I don't think I was a beer waiting
35:29
Speaker 1: for them outside of their press conference like Jason had
35:33
Speaker 1: today from fans. I mean, doctor Jay's legacy is still ridiculous.
35:37
Speaker 1: Chase Suttley had an unbelievable relationship, but none of them
35:41
Speaker 1: were as active in the community, probably as Jason has been.
35:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, Chase probably. I mean, you know, Mike Schmidt and
35:48
Speaker 7: the city did not get along well at times. Now
35:53
Speaker 7: that that's over the years, has has changed, you know,
35:55
Speaker 7: with with with distance from from those moments, obviously people
35:59
Speaker 7: have come to appreciate. You know, when I was growing up,
36:01
Speaker 7: Eric Lindross was huge, and he didn't have a great
36:03
Speaker 7: relationship with the city of Philadelphia and then down there
36:07
Speaker 7: as well. So for Jason Kelcey, I think it was
36:11
Speaker 7: you know, a yeah, but Iverson had off field stuff
36:16
Speaker 7: that alienated some people, right like on the court in basketballwise, fine,
36:20
Speaker 7: but there were extra curriculars that didn't sit well. Jason
36:23
Speaker 7: Kelsey doesn't have that stuff. But I said this earlier,
36:26
Speaker 7: I said the Eagles lost a leader, but the city
36:28
Speaker 7: of Philadelpha that would say lost he. I mean, he's
36:30
Speaker 7: still gonna be around, but as a player, the city
36:35
Speaker 7: lost a leader here as far as an active voice
36:37
Speaker 7: of an active player. Because he stepped up to talk
36:40
Speaker 7: about Ben Simmons. He didn't mention him by name, but
36:42
Speaker 7: he was talking about Ben Simmons, and that's when he
36:45
Speaker 7: gave the talk about you know, people say it's hard
36:46
Speaker 7: to play in this town.
36:47
Speaker 8: I think it's easy to play in this town.
36:49
Speaker 7: He was talking about Simmons, and shortly thereafter I think
36:52
Speaker 7: he was shipped out of town. So Jason Kelcey has
36:56
Speaker 7: a voice that has resonated across the city down there,
36:59
Speaker 7: and again he's not going anywhere.
37:02
Speaker 3: Well, great stuff, Mike, Hey, appreciate your brother always. You
37:05
Speaker 3: know it's gonna be busy time next couple weeks. We're
37:06
Speaker 3: gonna have you back on the show. And coming up next,
37:10
Speaker 3: Jeff Chadea is gonna let us know what teams have
37:13
Speaker 3: to have a spectacular off season. We know the Bears
37:16
Speaker 3: have draft picks and a tradable quarterback, but do they
37:19
Speaker 3: lead his list?
37:20
Speaker 2: Oh, Jeff Youdea has got some good stuff coming up next.
37:23
Speaker 3: On the NFL Report. Oh boy, we are back at
37:40
Speaker 3: the NFL Reports. Steve White here, James Palmer. We're joined
37:43
Speaker 3: by our guard, Jeff Jadea, who's got his new first
37:45
Speaker 3: read column dropping on Tuesday. Jeff, welcome back to the show.
37:50
Speaker 3: It is been a minute and we are here to
37:52
Speaker 3: stir it up.
37:54
Speaker 1: Jeff as I've seen Jeff in person at India Bunch.
37:58
Speaker 1: Yeah you remember seeing me?
38:00
Speaker 2: Oh oh hey, now.
38:03
Speaker 1: The Times in early mornings.
38:07
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. I don't need to hear any of this.
38:09
Speaker 2: You guys can inform me off for the air, please,
38:11
Speaker 2: all right?
38:11
Speaker 3: So, yeah, your your column is dealing with teams that
38:15
Speaker 3: need to knock it out of the park this offseason.
38:17
Speaker 3: We understand every team meets to hit on their draft
38:19
Speaker 3: picks or freezing acquisitions or coaching highers, things like that.
38:23
Speaker 3: But you're starting this off saying that Houston Texas over
38:26
Speaker 3: the past two years.
38:27
Speaker 2: Have had great drafts, they lead, they lead the field
38:32
Speaker 2: and having to hit a home run here, what do
38:34
Speaker 2: you mean by.
38:34
Speaker 4: This, well, I'm taking a big Bowl prediction here, making
38:38
Speaker 4: a big Bull prediction here that you know, you can
38:40
Speaker 4: talk about the Bengals and the Bills and the Ravens,
38:42
Speaker 4: but the team that's best positioned to really give the
38:47
Speaker 4: Chiefs or run for their money in the AFC, it's
38:50
Speaker 4: going to be the Houston Texans right real quick.
38:53
Speaker 8: I'll go with the Houston.
38:54
Speaker 1: Texans right now because TJ. Stroud looks that good.
38:58
Speaker 4: They've been that good in terms of player actually drafting,
39:01
Speaker 4: and they have so much money to work with seven
39:03
Speaker 4: to eight million dollars in salary cap space.
39:05
Speaker 1: They can go out and fill a lot of needs
39:07
Speaker 1: right now.
39:08
Speaker 4: If they want to, you know, get help on the
39:10
Speaker 4: defensive lining and go after a Chris Jones. They want
39:13
Speaker 4: to go get a corner back, they can go make
39:15
Speaker 4: a tray for of Jerius sneed or go after Jalen
39:17
Speaker 4: Johnson Chicago Bears. You talked about Christian Wilkins being out
39:21
Speaker 4: there in agency. He could be the guy they look
39:23
Speaker 4: at a running back, say Kwon Barkley could be guy
39:25
Speaker 4: they think they go after.
39:26
Speaker 1: So a lot of big players out there.
39:28
Speaker 4: I'm really popping up Nick Assario and Demiko Rians right now.
39:31
Speaker 4: But I think that they are primed make a run
39:33
Speaker 4: at the AFC the next couple of years.
39:35
Speaker 1: They do things right.
39:36
Speaker 2: I like that, Jeff. I love that. I love that, Jeff.
39:40
Speaker 1: Honestly, Jeff mentioned the seventy million dollars in space they have.
39:42
Speaker 1: They also have more free agents than anybody else in football,
39:44
Speaker 1: so they do got to fill a lot of different spots.
39:46
Speaker 1: What I look at is the one name that Steve said,
39:49
Speaker 1: Steve that he said was Chris Jones. I'm not saying
39:51
Speaker 1: they're getting Chris Jones, but I am saying that's a
39:53
Speaker 1: focal point for Jamiico Ryans. That defensive line is a
39:56
Speaker 1: huge aspect of what he wants to do in terms
39:59
Speaker 1: of building this team. You saw what he did in
40:00
Speaker 1: one year in terms of where they were at able
40:03
Speaker 1: to take a jump as a defensive line. I think
40:05
Speaker 1: this is now a destination. I think Jef's kind of right.
40:07
Speaker 1: I mean, you come to Texas, you come to Houston,
40:09
Speaker 1: you want to play for Demiico Ryans, and you want
40:11
Speaker 1: to play with CJ. Shroud. Their perception in the league
40:14
Speaker 1: has dramatically changed in one year. How about jumping over
40:17
Speaker 1: to the NFCS and the Detroit Lions. They're right there, Jeff.
40:21
Speaker 1: Why do they have to have a massive offseason. They're
40:24
Speaker 1: right there because they need to get them over the hump.
40:26
Speaker 4: You're not getting over the hump just by staying pat
40:29
Speaker 4: And so when you look at what they have to
40:30
Speaker 4: do again, I'm looking at even more than the Texans defense.
40:34
Speaker 4: You finding a way to get a pass rusher in
40:36
Speaker 4: there to help a and Hutchinson. Again, you will hear
40:38
Speaker 4: Chris Jones' name a lot in this list because he
40:41
Speaker 4: is that big of a name and he can have
40:42
Speaker 4: that big of an impact. But adding a second pass
40:45
Speaker 4: rusher there, like a Chris Jones, like somebody like Minnesota's
40:49
Speaker 4: Daniel Hunter, Danelle Hunter, who's going to be out there,
40:51
Speaker 4: who's going to be free, that could help them out
40:52
Speaker 4: a lot.
40:53
Speaker 1: You go the back end again.
40:54
Speaker 4: I mentioned Jalen Johnson, who they've seen in that division
40:57
Speaker 4: with Chicago. I really believe they're able to make some
41:00
Speaker 4: moves in freegency. And I know Brad Holmes, the Darrell manager,
41:03
Speaker 4: is not a big free agency guy, but they are
41:05
Speaker 4: so close. One or two players here, big splash guys
41:08
Speaker 4: puts them over the top of the NFC.
41:10
Speaker 1: I want to jump in real quick on that, Jeff.
41:12
Speaker 1: What Brad Holmes is is a great evaluator of cornerbacks.
41:16
Speaker 1: It was a big role in hit that he had
41:18
Speaker 1: with the Rams, and that is a big need that
41:20
Speaker 1: they have, whether they fill it in the draft or
41:22
Speaker 1: free agency. Him evaluating personally in the cornerback spot, which
41:26
Speaker 1: is in need for them, I think is a big
41:27
Speaker 1: part of their offseason. Yes, yes, yes, for sure.
41:30
Speaker 3: Okay, so Chicago first pick, ninth pick, probably get some
41:34
Speaker 3: capital when they trade justin fields.
41:36
Speaker 2: We don't know what that will be.
41:38
Speaker 3: Now you say this is a team that needs to
41:40
Speaker 3: knock out of the park, obviously so because Matt Eberflus
41:43
Speaker 3: is on a one year life preserver to add to
41:46
Speaker 3: all of that, Jeff.
41:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I didn't even think it's about ebra Flus.
41:50
Speaker 4: It's about them being in the position everybody would love
41:53
Speaker 4: to be in where they got a ton of money.
41:55
Speaker 4: They've got the first pick in the draft, they got
41:57
Speaker 4: the ninth pick in the draft, and they have to
41:59
Speaker 4: make a splash pick. They can't not make a splash.
42:02
Speaker 4: All those things going in their favorite you can't screw
42:05
Speaker 4: this up. You have to do something that gets people
42:08
Speaker 4: going excited about your franchise, and so look what you're gonna.
42:11
Speaker 1: Say, Maybe you can screw it up. Don't put it
42:14
Speaker 1: out for Jeff history. There there's a history.
42:19
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams a good draft pick. Look as soon as
42:21
Speaker 4: they trade justin Fields, everything falls in place for these guys.
42:24
Speaker 4: And I'm excited for Ryan Poles who's been with the
42:27
Speaker 4: Fantasy Chiefs. He's winning for his opportunity to draft his
42:30
Speaker 4: own quarterback. And again they can a lot of money.
42:34
Speaker 4: Chris Shownes once again makes sense. Then'll Hunter makes sense.
42:37
Speaker 4: I think Angeline Winfield junior. They got rid of Eddie Jackson.
42:39
Speaker 4: That safety could be a guy who they look at. Certainly,
42:42
Speaker 4: you can find some second tier with receivers out there
42:45
Speaker 4: to help your offense if you're gonna draft receivers. So
42:47
Speaker 4: gave Davis, Marquis Brown, Josh Reynolds.
42:50
Speaker 9: I could see a lot of guys Number nine, big brother,
42:53
Speaker 9: they're gonna get somebody right there in the draft and
42:55
Speaker 9: wide receiver too.
42:57
Speaker 1: No, they're they're sitting pretty. That's a good call. And
42:59
Speaker 1: I think there are thirty one teams that wont Antoine Winfield.
43:03
Speaker 1: Thirty two include Tampa as well. Everybody would like to
43:06
Speaker 1: get their hands on him. I love what you're saying.
43:09
Speaker 1: The biggest thing to me jet that stands out is
43:11
Speaker 1: in their evaluation process of Kayleb Williams because I'm joking
43:14
Speaker 1: about maybe you can screw this up. A big part,
43:16
Speaker 1: I'm told is making sure his makeup can handle playing
43:19
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Chicago Bears. It is almost, as some
43:22
Speaker 1: people around the league say, a difficult, maybe cursed position.
43:25
Speaker 1: It is just a hard spot to succeed in. We
43:28
Speaker 1: just haven't seen it in that sense. How does he
43:31
Speaker 1: handle stepping into that. It's been a big part of
43:33
Speaker 1: their evaluation and sticking with quarterback the Atlanta Falcons, you
43:37
Speaker 1: need a big off season when you are as they
43:40
Speaker 1: put it a quarterback away as a roster yep.
43:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that really is the only move they have
43:46
Speaker 4: to make here. It's not about a bunch of moves,
43:48
Speaker 4: big off season splash move. It's about one move. It's
43:50
Speaker 4: about quarterback. And I feel like Kirk Cousins is.
43:53
Speaker 1: Going to end up being that quarterback people want to combine.
43:57
Speaker 1: It just seems like the mikey would love to have
43:59
Speaker 1: him back.
44:00
Speaker 4: We all know when teams start talking about how much
44:01
Speaker 4: they love you, how much they want to keep you.
44:03
Speaker 4: That's always the kind of the scarlet letter, so to speak,
44:06
Speaker 4: when it comes to create and see. And I just
44:09
Speaker 4: don't feel as if the Vikings are going to go
44:11
Speaker 4: the extra mile, spend the money is going to take
44:13
Speaker 4: to keep her Cousins happy.
44:15
Speaker 1: His wife's from Atlanta.
44:17
Speaker 4: Zach Robinson, who's an ex RAMS coach, who he knows
44:20
Speaker 4: that system, the same system as Kevin O'Connell runs. He
44:22
Speaker 4: was with those guys, he knows Raheem Morris. There's a
44:25
Speaker 4: lot of things tying him to Atlanta right now that
44:27
Speaker 4: makes sense. The biggest thing being we know Kirk Cousins
44:30
Speaker 4: loves his money.
44:31
Speaker 1: They got money to spend on it.
44:32
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you everyone, everyone just like, hey, you know,
44:35
Speaker 9: we know Kirk's this guy, that guy, he loves his
44:38
Speaker 9: paper quarterbacks are paid what they are today because those
44:42
Speaker 9: cash and Washington.
44:43
Speaker 2: Franchising him three times real quick.
44:45
Speaker 3: You've got the colt here at number five and James
44:48
Speaker 3: and I found is very interesting because is it really
44:51
Speaker 3: that pressing because Anthony Richardson is basically going to be
44:54
Speaker 3: a rookie playing again, don't they have more of a
44:57
Speaker 3: grace period so to speak?
44:59
Speaker 4: Well, that would be the case they were in a
45:00
Speaker 4: different division, but they're in the AFC South, and we've
45:02
Speaker 4: seen Jacksonville Jaguars go from being the worst team in
45:05
Speaker 4: football to being a division champion.
45:07
Speaker 1: We've seen the Texans do it last year.
45:09
Speaker 4: And if for the Colts, you cannot stay in patt
45:11
Speaker 4: and just think it's all going to work out in
45:13
Speaker 4: your favor. You got two young quarterbacks in your division.
45:15
Speaker 4: You got a couple of smart general managers who've made
45:18
Speaker 4: some moves here. And I know Chris Ballard just as
45:20
Speaker 4: you know Brad Holme is not a big, just go
45:23
Speaker 4: after and be big and free agency type guy.
45:25
Speaker 1: But they got to make some smart moves.
45:27
Speaker 4: They got to be more explosive on offense around their
45:29
Speaker 4: quarterback Anthony Richardson. They gotta get better on defense and
45:32
Speaker 4: the back end. They got fun on their edge rusher,
45:34
Speaker 4: and so I look at corner, I look at safety,
45:36
Speaker 4: I look at edge rusher, defensive tackle, and certainly receiver
45:40
Speaker 4: and tied end. They got to fill those positions be
45:42
Speaker 4: ready to go because that division is not They don't
45:44
Speaker 4: be third place that division next season.
45:47
Speaker 1: Man, We're talking about the AFC South completely differently than
45:49
Speaker 1: we used to talk about Sea South, and they got
45:53
Speaker 1: Shane Stike and they did hit on the coach a
45:55
Speaker 1: year ago. I think that's almost solidified already real quick, Jeff.
45:58
Speaker 1: The other team you were talking about, maybe curious about
46:01
Speaker 1: putting on this list, the Philadelphia Eagles. I wants your
46:04
Speaker 1: take on Philly right now, because that is one of
46:06
Speaker 1: the more interesting spots in terms of an offseason, especially
46:09
Speaker 1: with Howie Roseman running the show.
46:11
Speaker 4: It is, and we know Howie Roseman always loves to
46:13
Speaker 4: make big moves and is certainly a genius when it
46:16
Speaker 4: comes to player acquisition. But I was thinking about them
46:19
Speaker 4: more so because of the culture. You know, they obviously
46:21
Speaker 4: have to find help a linebacker, they got to get
46:24
Speaker 4: faster at corner. But to me, like it's really more
46:27
Speaker 4: about how they handle all the things that went on
46:29
Speaker 4: last year at the end of the season. They've got
46:31
Speaker 4: two new coordinators coming in and Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio,
46:34
Speaker 4: so that'll help. But really it's more of a locker
46:36
Speaker 4: room thing. So I felt like those other teams we
46:38
Speaker 4: just mentioned, they can make some moves and be better.
46:42
Speaker 1: Just because of that.
46:43
Speaker 4: The ego's got to get through some things that are
46:44
Speaker 4: a lot more complicated.
46:47
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it. It is complicated, and you know
46:49
Speaker 1: what they do. They know how to fix things quickly.
46:51
Speaker 1: In Philadelphia, Hi Rose is one of the best at
46:53
Speaker 1: flipping a roster or flipping a culture. However he does it.
46:56
Speaker 1: They find their way to get back pretty quick into
46:59
Speaker 1: the mix, and we'll see if that can happen. Jeff
47:01
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for throwing beginning of the segment. I
47:04
Speaker 1: didn't Joins. I'll talk to you soon, buddy.
47:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that's good man.
47:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, all right. Coming up the NFL Report on Thursday,
47:17
Speaker 1: we will have a brand spanking new show. Lancer Line
47:19
Speaker 1: was at the combine covering every single aspect of this draft.
47:22
Speaker 1: We'll have him doing the show. Mark Ross was on
47:24
Speaker 1: the field watching all of it. He will join the
47:27
Speaker 1: show and Jane Slater as well. What happens with the
47:29
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. We hated at a running back, a big
47:32
Speaker 1: name running back. We'll see what Jane says on Thursday,
47:35
Speaker 1: seven o'clock Eastern on the NFL Report. Welcome back to
47:51
Speaker 1: the NFL Report. James Palmer, Steve Weich with you. We'd
47:53
Speaker 1: like to remember I believe Steve everyone's friend. Chris Mortensen
47:58
Speaker 1: from ESPN past away at the age of seventy two,
48:01
Speaker 1: and really Steve from myself and a lot of younger
48:05
Speaker 1: journalists maybe yourself included a north star essentially in terms
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Speaker 1: of reporting, being accurate, sourcing, but more importantly integrity, kindness, generosity,
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Speaker 1: things that oftentimes fall by the wayside in our business
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Speaker 1: because of the competitive nature of it. I have in
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Speaker 1: front of me just messages that mord has sent me
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Speaker 1: that are they just feel different Steve, than getting a
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Speaker 1: compliment or any type of you know, just connection with
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Speaker 1: another reporter when it comes from more, Hey, we're a
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Speaker 1: dying breed. Keep doing what you're doing. You know that
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Speaker 1: he respects the way you're doing it with integrity, that
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Speaker 1: ability to reach out to those colleagues, and whether they're
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Speaker 1: friends of his or not, he still found a way
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Speaker 1: to reach out to them, Steve, and always kind of
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Speaker 1: just have such a respect for our business. That's the
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Speaker 1: part that I'll remember the most about More.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, even handed, like you said, develop great trust. He's
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Speaker 3: somebody no matter who you were, you always found a
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Speaker 3: way to build you up. One of the great human
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Speaker 3: beings ever in our business. He was one of the
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Speaker 3: first insiders him and Lenny Pascarelli, both Atlanta guys, you
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Speaker 3: know our ties to Atlanta, who broke big news, broke
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Speaker 3: important news. They broke it with the integrity that had
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Speaker 3: everybody trusting them more rest in power. James and I
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Speaker 3: felt the need just to you know, say condolences to
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Speaker 3: your family and all those who loved him. We want
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