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Blaythe Steuer: No Cure · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: I all that back.
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  Speaker 2: Saw that today I got Blathe from No Cure super
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  Speaker 2: excited to chat with you. Blake, I will say we
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: have so Collin's not on the call today, he's got
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: a thing going on. But uh, typically when we record,
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  Speaker 2: uh usually it's like a band that is not on
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: tour in the moment, but if they are on tour,
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  Speaker 2: usually we interview them either like well before their show
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  Speaker 2: or there has been like once or twice we've interviewed
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  Speaker 2: somebody literally right before the show. But this might be
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  Speaker 2: the first time I've ever interviewed anybody after they have
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: played a show. Like you literally, like moments ago, were
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  Speaker 2: on stage playing a show and now you're sitting with
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  Speaker 2: me hanging out right now. Obviously, listeners are going to
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: be like, you know, days away from from the time
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  Speaker 2: that they're hearing this, from the time that you played
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  Speaker 2: whatever show you played today. But yeah, this is the
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  Speaker 2: first time I've interviewed anybody right after they played a show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if like you're tired after a show,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like for you, but it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of cool that you literally had just played a show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Mason, I appreciate you having us on, Well,
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  Speaker 1: us is me. I don't know why I pluralized myself.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: That's a peculiar are you like God now or what
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  Speaker 1: I've been working on that actually, but I don't that's
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  Speaker 1: beyond the scope of No Cure interview today. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So we just played at Preserving Underground in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: New Kensington kind of area. It was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: fun and yeah, we finished about twenty minutes ago. I
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  Speaker 1: went to the merch table, sold some shirts whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: now I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: This and look at that.
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  Speaker 1: It's that's what you do sometimes. I gotta grind.
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  Speaker 2: You got to grind. I mean, well, it's no cure. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's not as if you can just you and get
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  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift type of access to the industry. You got.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta work your ass off, right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Am from Alabama. There is no industry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, the industry is when like Furness Fest
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  Speaker 2: happens in Alabama once a year, that's the industry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Or like the DIY shows that we do at
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  Speaker 1: the skate park, that's like that's what there is.
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  Speaker 2: That's about it. Yeah, I get that. I get that. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I definitely want to talk about Furness Fest later. But
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  Speaker 2: how did the show go today? I mean, you mean
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  Speaker 2: you're literally moments away from the time that you were
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  Speaker 2: on stage, So how did a show in Pittsburgh go?
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  Speaker 1: So we've played Preserving a few times now. We've played
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  Speaker 1: the super small Diy room, which was really cool. That
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  Speaker 1: was like in twenty twenty two, which was pretty early
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  Speaker 1: on in the band's history. We played the like underground
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  Speaker 1: room with chamber I want to say early twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really know anymore. And then last year, no
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  Speaker 1: earlier this year, we played the big Chapel real venue
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  Speaker 1: room there with boundaries and orthodox and that was fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't ask if I'm allowed to swear. You never
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  Speaker 1: told me if I could or couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: You can say whatever words you want to say on
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  Speaker 2: this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Great, I like to say many words. But yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: today we played the underground again, but it's like a
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  Speaker 1: different setup now. So we've played every setup that has
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  Speaker 1: existed at Preserving Underground. But yet today on stage, I
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  Speaker 1: was having a lot of thoughts, as one does, and
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  Speaker 1: I was really impressed with how much people that were
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  Speaker 1: here already knew the words to songs we just put out, Like,
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  Speaker 1: I did not anticipate that at all. Like you can
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  Speaker 1: like tell when someone like is like following along and
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  Speaker 1: like they're not like right off the rip with it,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So that was that was a really cool
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  Speaker 1: thing because normally, you know, there's moshers at our shows,
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  Speaker 1: but there's definitely more people like singing along and like
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  Speaker 1: climbing on me and doing you know, the hard thing,
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  Speaker 1: which is the whole point. I think it's awesome. So
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  Speaker 1: that was very affirming to see that when we put
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  Speaker 1: out the record what three days ago, so.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty cool, but yeah, it's been just a few days.
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  Speaker 2: What at what point did it feel like in your
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  Speaker 2: guys' career And I want to hear more about like
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  Speaker 2: the very beginning, but i'd love to hear this first
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  Speaker 2: is at what point did you guys feel like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: like this could be a thing, Because I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: guys tour a lot. Now, you guys are playing a
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  Speaker 2: lot of shows. At what point did you feel like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 2: we're not just going to be a band that's just
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  Speaker 2: stuck in Birmingham playing Birmingham shows, but we could actually
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  Speaker 2: go across the nation and play shows and people will
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  Speaker 2: show up and these will sing our songs and they
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  Speaker 2: will mosh and they will enjoy themselves, like and they'll
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  Speaker 2: buy our merch Like at that at there had to
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  Speaker 2: have been like because you guys could have just done that,
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  Speaker 2: like immediately off the off the bat. Like it takes
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  Speaker 2: like some time and at some point you feel like
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  Speaker 2: maybe that pendulum switches or swings a little bit where
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  Speaker 2: you feel like, oh, now we can actually go across
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  Speaker 2: the nation, or maybe you already started, you were doing
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  Speaker 2: that and like there was no traction whatever, and then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now people are showing up to
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  Speaker 2: your shows and they know the words, and at some
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  Speaker 2: point that would have happened, right And I'm curious, like
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  Speaker 2: right now, where did that feel like that was starting
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  Speaker 2: to happen.
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  Speaker 1: So for myself internally, I don't really use the pendulum
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  Speaker 1: metaphor as much. For OK, for me, the metaphor I've
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  Speaker 1: been stuck on since a conversation I had with Ryan
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  Speaker 1: the True in like twenty fourteen is pushing a boulder.
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  Speaker 1: I've been stuck on that since then, and the no
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  Speaker 1: Cure boulder. I started pushing that boulder before we were
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  Speaker 1: a band. This is not my first band. I've toured
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  Speaker 1: a lot doing, you know, guitar for bands or merch
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  Speaker 1: or tour managing whatever. I've been booking shows for a
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  Speaker 1: very long time in Alabama. Now, same with ASoP, our
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  Speaker 1: guitar player. She's been booking shows too. So we had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of groundwork laid down for this band before
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  Speaker 1: we even knew this band was going to be a
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  Speaker 1: if that makes any sense, because we were already really
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  Speaker 1: integrated into the community people. You know, we had friends
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  Speaker 1: in a bunch of cities, you know, at least adjacent
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  Speaker 1: to Alabama, And like for myself, I knew a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people just from touring a lot because I've I've
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  Speaker 1: been hitting it as hard as I can as soon
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  Speaker 1: as I was like in late high school, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I've just been really trying to create something that mattered
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  Speaker 1: since I knew that you could make music like this,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's been a slow burn on that,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely for me with no cure on our first
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  Speaker 1: few runs, like we could already tell, I could at
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  Speaker 1: least tell that this is different than other bands I
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  Speaker 1: had done prior. And I don't think that we like
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  Speaker 1: play songs particularly any better than bands I've been in
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's just there's an energy around
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  Speaker 1: it that I can't really explain, but I can perceive it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been it's been nice, you know, but there's
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  Speaker 1: been a couple of moments that felt kind of breakouty,
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: even though we haven't broken out or anything. Well, like
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  Speaker 1: just like the Boulder has moved. The Gideon tour that
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  Speaker 1: we did early this year, very different world of music
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  Speaker 1: from us, but we're playing to a lot more people
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  Speaker 1: than like the DIY tours that I had been booking
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  Speaker 1: for us prior to that, right, and I could just
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  Speaker 1: tell that we are like actually winning over completely new
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  Speaker 1: people that didn't know really like how bands like us
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  Speaker 1: work or like what straight edge is or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't care. They're like this is cool. I like this,
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  Speaker 1: this is heavy. And I was like, all right, come on,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. So they kind of they kind of jumped
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  Speaker 1: on the bus something. And that was a pretty pretty
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  Speaker 1: pretty affirming tour, just to be put in front of
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  Speaker 1: just you know, casual enjoyers of metalcore and be like,
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  Speaker 1: you want to see something crazy and they're like, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where like I really respect just like the
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  Speaker 2: general like world of heavy music. Is almost like there's
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's some outliers, but for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: any heavy band that has had any level of success
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  Speaker 2: is a band that has literally worked their ass off,
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  Speaker 2: right Like, you know, I feel like I talk about
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  Speaker 2: them pretty frequently and they're not even like close to
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  Speaker 2: my favorite band or anything, but it's just like such
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  Speaker 2: a big thing right now. Is obviously like we just
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: saw Knocked Loose a few weeks ago on Jimmy Kimmel,
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  Speaker 2: and we think of a band like knock Loose of
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: you know, they came from the same world that like,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are all kind of playing where you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that they're in Kentucky, not Alabama,
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  Speaker 2: but like, you know, here's a band, like a metal
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  Speaker 2: core band from the South that has worked their ass
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  Speaker 2: off and over ten plus years have gotten to the
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  Speaker 2: point now where they're on national television in front of
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  Speaker 2: millions and millions and millions of people. Uh. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: it's like that is a testament of like how long
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  Speaker 2: that takes for a band that sounds like a metal
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  Speaker 2: core band to get to that point where they have
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  Speaker 2: any level of that kind of stardom. Whereas like a
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  Speaker 2: you know, any pop band could like release one single
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  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they're at that kind of
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  Speaker 2: level of where they could be on a Jimmy Kimmel.
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  Speaker 2: But a band like you know, No Hure or Knocked
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  Speaker 2: Loose to work for ten plus years before they can
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  Speaker 2: even get to that point. And so it's just really
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  Speaker 2: a testament to like how hard you guys have to work.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I just respect the hell out of
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  Speaker 2: anybody who's willing to work that hard in music to
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  Speaker 2: get to even some level of quote unquote success.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's it's definitely a grind. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: I remember knock Loose playing shows to ten kids in
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  Speaker 1: Alabama and then I did a show for them at
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  Speaker 1: the skate park Insanity in like Huntsville area, and that
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  Speaker 1: was the different shade of blue like release shows, and
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  Speaker 1: I just and it was like, who are all these people?
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  Speaker 1: It was like three hundred kids, and like at the time,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy, this band is really
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  Speaker 1: doing it. And then it's like now there worth thousands
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  Speaker 1: and thousands of tickets. It's just cool to see another
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  Speaker 1: band from you know, not the coastal elite cities just
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  Speaker 1: do a bunch of cool stuff, So I have nothing
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  Speaker 1: about respect for what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, I'd love to hear just kind
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  Speaker 2: of your involvement of like how you got into eventually
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: No Cure. Obviously you mentioned a little bit ago that
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  Speaker 2: you started out playing in lots of different bands and
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: you were booking bands, and now obviously you're No Cure.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, how did you get involved in music? Like
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  Speaker 2: were you one of those kids that you know, when
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: you were twelve years old you got a guitar or
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: whatever and started playing music and that somehow got you
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  Speaker 2: into all of this. But yeah, I'm just curious what
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  Speaker 2: was that story for you?
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  Speaker 1: Sure? So I started playing guitar around when I was
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  Speaker 1: ten or eleven, and I found like that I was
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: interested in the more aggressive stuff pretty fast. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's definitely like Scorpions on in my house growing up,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: and like Blue Oyster Cult, which isn't aggressive music, but
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: like there's some Judas Priest too, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I like that one. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, So I
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  Speaker 1: started like learning guitar a little bit and then I
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: found a vine sevenfold and I was like, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was twelve, my friend at the time's
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  Speaker 1: older brother took us both to go see a band
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  Speaker 1: called My Children My Bride playing a hometown show because
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  Speaker 1: I'm from Madison Huntsville, North Alabama region originally, and that's
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: exactly where mcmb's from. So I went to that show.
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  Speaker 1: I was twelve. I remember it was like my brain
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: was like being put through a washing machine, like every
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  Speaker 1: detail just soaked into me. And I just didn't know
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  Speaker 1: that that.
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  Speaker 2: Had you never, like you never even listened to My
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  Speaker 2: Children Mind Bride before then, or like even listen to
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  Speaker 2: metal core before really other than maybe I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: mean maybe you would identify evenge that of enfold as
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  Speaker 2: metal core, but yeah, like, had you listen to music
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  Speaker 2: that have you before?
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  Speaker 1: No? Not really. I think I was aware of like
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  Speaker 1: Bring Me the Horizon and like Annotations of an Autopsy,
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: which is like you know, some pretty out there pig
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: squeal death core MySpace shit. I was like loosely aware
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  Speaker 1: of that, but like I didn't really like it. But
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: right then I went to the MCMB show and I
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: checked them out in advance. It didn't really resonate with
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  Speaker 1: me at first, but when I got there and I
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: was like in the room, like feeling what was happening,
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  Speaker 1: and just seeing the scene of it, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: like was like, what is this? How do I do this?
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  Speaker 1: And I immediately like I've like since that moment, I
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  Speaker 1: changed everything. Like I was like a really nerdy kid.
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  Speaker 1: I was in like Chess Club and a bunch of
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I was like, no, now now
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  Speaker 1: I'm rocking. I'm going to rock.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: So it was did you did you stage diver mash?
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  Speaker 2: Like did you even have any idea what that even was?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I was very skinny when I was young,
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: so I was very tall. I'm tall now, but I was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was. I've been over six feet for
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: a very long time, but I weighed like fifty sixty
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  Speaker 1: poundins less at one point, you know, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a super big guy now, so it's like I was
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  Speaker 1: a little bean pole kid. So I was just staring
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: at the show, just breathing every bit of it. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean I started matching at shows when I was
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  Speaker 1: like thirteen or fourteen or so, but when I was twelve,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: on my first show, I was just like just soaking
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: it up like a sponge and just trying to understand
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  Speaker 1: what it was. It was beautiful to.
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  Speaker 2: Me, what was it something that you fell like at
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: twelve years old? I mean, obviously it sounds like maybe
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: within a year you were already like super into it.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: But at twelve years old, for like that first time
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  Speaker 2: you're watching my children my bride, were you like, Okay,
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: I don't really get what this is, but I'm I'm
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: actually really intrigued, but I don't necessarily know if I
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: like it. Did you feel like kind of all those
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: things kind of intertwining at the same time where You're like,
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: I'm intrigued, I really don't get it, but also I
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: am like, I'm just really interest, Like I'm interested in
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: what's going on, Like, did you feel like all of
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: that was happening at the same time when you're watching
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  Speaker 2: those guys play?
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  Speaker 1: I liked it immediately, honestly, Oh you didn't. I was like, this,
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  Speaker 1: this is what music sounds like. Finally I found what
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: music sounds like.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think in some way, shape or form,
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: I kind of experienced that. But when I first heard so, like,
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: my first introduction to super heavy stuff was bands like
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Life in Your Way. I don't know if you ever
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: heard of Life in Your Way very long.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not super looped in with them, but I know
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  Speaker 1: the band exists, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like kind of metallodic, no that's not the word at
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: switching to consonants around melodic hardcore. And then Norman Gen
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  Speaker 2: would have been like one of the first kind of
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  Speaker 2: bands too, And I still remember kind of being like
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: I don't really like it, but I was so intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I just don't understand what it is, but
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: there's something. There's just like one little tiny bit of
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: a song that is really wanting me to be interested
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: in this. And that's how a lot of that heavy
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: music first was introduced. And then it really wasn't until
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: under Oath and They're Only Chasing Safety that I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is kind of like a combination where it's poppy
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  Speaker 2: enough where my like ten year old or eleven year
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: old ears could be really intrigued or like interested in this,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: and also it's heavy enough where you know, there was
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: like that heavy aspect that I was like really intrigued by.
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  Speaker 2: Like that that was prevalent too, So it really wasn't
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  Speaker 2: until under Oath that I really got into all of that.
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  Speaker 2: But bands like Normal Gene or Life in Your Way,
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  Speaker 2: I was always like, oh, there's just something about this
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  Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued by, but they don't quite get it.
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  Speaker 2: But also I can't really take my ears off of
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  Speaker 2: it either. So yeah, anyway, but it's interesting that, like
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  Speaker 2: right away you were like super into, super into it,
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  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't a sort of I mean, I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: it helps when you're you've got a household that might
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: be listening a little bit to Judas Priests.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Judas Priest is fucking cool. Their new record.
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  Speaker 1: I liked it. I think it was last year now,
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  Speaker 1: but I did like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're sick band. Yeah, they're sick band. They
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: hold up the test of time. I get that. Well,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: so that was like your first introduction, Like at what
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: point did you realize, Okay, like I really like this music,
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  Speaker 2: but now I actually want to play this music, Like
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: what what was that catalyst for you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So, I mean I was a nerdy kid. I
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: always liked dungeons and dragons, and I thought I was
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: going to be a physician kind of thing, like I
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: was in the medical field. Like that was my plan
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: until like through high school. Honestly, like I thought like, oh,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I'll have fun playing music. But like it's not a
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: viable thing. So it took me a while to like
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: wrap my head around the possibility of like you can
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: really just kind of do that, and that's not really
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: the full truth. You know, like you can do it,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: but unless you're doing really well, you can't really just
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: do that. But that's neither here nor there. Everyone figures
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: out a side hustle to like make this work, right.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, I didn't answer your question.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Can you rephrase it for me?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, No, So, like, what at what point
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: did you feel like, Okay, this is not just music
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: that I really enjoy listening to, but it's like music
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: that I want to like participate in and enjoy it
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: to a degree where I'm playing playing it right. At
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: some point you picked up a guitar and we're like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna play this music. So, like, what
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: was that sort of catalyst of you know, wanting to
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: play this music, wanting to be in a band, not
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: necessarily even like the first band, but you're just like,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick up a guitar and try to play
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: this music and maybe that could land me into play
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: in a band.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wanted to play guitar already before I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: found like heavier music, just because I thought it was
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: cool and I liked to do it. It was very
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: like stimulating to like learn new stuff. I still like
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: learning songs on guitar, even though I am singing in
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: a band now, which is still kind of weird for me,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Like my internal identity is still so much like I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: am a guitar player, if that makes a many sense.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's coming together a little bit. But yeah,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: So I played my first show when I was fourteen.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know, metalcore, death cores, very derivative
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: of what was already happening kind of band. But I
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: had fun with that. And since I was fourteen, I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: have never like just not been in a band. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: always had a new one coming together where could tell
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the current one was kind of fallen apart. But yeah,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just once I started knowing about
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: like heavier stuff, I was like, I want to do that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: And then I went to every show i could as
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a teenager, and I mean I still go to a
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: show every day pretty much. You know, when I'm on tour,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm at a show, and then I go to the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: shows a lot, and for a guy.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: You're paid to go there, so you get better show up.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at home, I am there as much
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: as I can. And yeah, I don't know. That just
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: became such a key part of who I am that
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: it's just second nature.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: You know, Well I do you do? You do you
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: think your parents ever wish that maybe at some point
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: the physician route will matriculate or or materialize.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: They have both made it very clear at various points
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: of my life that I'm making a critical mistake and
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I am uninterested in their advice.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: In that realm, I would imagine, So, well, here's what
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I'll say. You know, you don't know me at all,
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: but you know, pursue the dreams that you love, right like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: you know, this is clearly something that you love and
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: it brings you a lot of life right now. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: you know, there's only so much a life where you're
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: gonna be able to get on stage and jam out
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: with some of your friends and just be able to
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: be crazy for a while. There's very few times in
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: your life where you're gonna be able to do that,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna have a long time in your life
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to be able to become a physician or you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: whatever it is that you end up being, right, Like
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I often think about that for myself, Like, you know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I was really into sports for a while, and I'm like,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hold on to like being able to
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: be an athlete as long as I can, because at
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: some point the athlete thing for sure is going to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: end and I'm not gonna be able to hold on
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: to that forever. So I was like, I'm gonna hold
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: onto that as long as I can, And uh, it's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: part of me really wishes I never even though I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was super into music, I never actually got myself into
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: like playing music, And part of me is like, now
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I really wish like I had that part of me
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: where I could like be in a band for maybe
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: a couple of years and just like hold on to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that for a second, because I very well know that,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever music that I would potentially even create
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: would not be the kind of music where I'd be
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: able to do that for the rest of my life.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So I'm just like, oh, there's this these moments where
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: you can only get to do something like this for
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: a certain amount of time, and you just got to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: hold on to that and cherish every moment of it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe you feel similarly or not, but I would imagine
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: maybe to some degree.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm a very I
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: guess is it do she just to describe myself as
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: as ambitious? I don't know if it was due to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: say that I an ambitious person. I'm sorry, but I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: have lots of goals in life. And I was just
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: talking to Tom Lovejoy earlier. He's filling in on guitar
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Forfham at fourth right now, just talking about how like
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: there's so many records I want to write that I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: don't have time to write that in bands i'd like
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to do, and I don't know, like there's other things
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: outside of music that I would love to do, Like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I like video games. I'm sure something in that world
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: would make me quite happy too. But this is a
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: very hard thing and it's come together in a way
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: that most people don't get to experience. So I'm going
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to do this until I can't. I mean, if No
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Cure broke up tomorrow, I would just make another band
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and I would do that and if that band broke up,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: there's no limit to good metal bands. I'm willing to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: try to make right.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love I mean especially the fact
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that like you're the kind of person that just has
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like all of these different, like interesting ideas that like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: for you or you're like this is the kind of
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: thing that this music needs right now. I think that's
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: like super important that Actually that was a question I
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: was going to ask, is you know, especially because it
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: does seem like you write quite a bit, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: like you're you're a huge part of like what makes
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: No Cure the No Cure sound. One of the things
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that I'm curious about is so again, like you know,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: you start playing guitar at you know, let's say, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: twelve thirteen, however old you were when you're starting to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: play guitar, and you mentioned like you were starting to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: play a lot of like you know, other people's songs,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, how everybody plays guitar, you know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that's how that's how you learn. At what point did
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: you feel like, oh, not only even you know, with
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: some of the the early bands that you were a
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: part of, you mentioned like something along the lines of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you were playing a lot of like generic maybe like
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: death Core or whatever. At what point did you feel like, oh,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: there's like a particular sound I'm going for that nobody's doing,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: but like could be a really like something that you
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: artistically would really love to hear. Like at what point
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: did you feel like, oh, that was a switch there
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: of like, oh, there's a certain kind of sound I
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: can create out my guitar that is maybe different or
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: maybe sets me apart from just like any generic thing
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that I have been trying to replicate or whatever, Like
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I do you kind of get what I'm saying? Like there, Yeah,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: what was there a point for you where that like
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: that switch came on where it's like, oh, this is
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: something that was different that I'm able to create that
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: like this is my like I'm able to create maybe
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: my own footprint into this music than just like trying
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: to replicate somebody else.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was I've been like writing music since
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I was fourteen. That's when I really started like trying
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to write music and bands I was in. But like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't make anything that mattered any capacity beyond like
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: my friends at local shows for you know, quite a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: long time. So honestly, not until like the second Notecare
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: record did it was I like, Okay, there's something different here.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Now that I'm getting a better grasp of because I've
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: done you know, I've done some really like riffy more
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: death metal, actual like riffy bands, and I've done some
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: more like goofy metal core bands, and I've toured in
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: hardcore bands, and I've done a lot of the stuff
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in that sphere. But the particular blend that Aesop and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I have like cooked up for No Cure I think
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: is pretty cool. I don't know, I like it a lot.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Is it something working with ASoP or is it was
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: there even like a moment where you're just like doodling
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: around in your room or whatever, you're messing around with
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: a riff and you're like it's just this like light
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: bull blights up. I'm just really curious, like, is there
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: that like specific moment or is it more of like
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a process of just like working with maybe someone like ASoP,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: where yeah, you're just like at some point this kind
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of moment where it all seems to click where oh,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm creating something maybe a little different here, or
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: or yeah, maybe it is like that like light bulb
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: moment where you like got a riff and you're like, ah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that's like that's the thing I need to like go after.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean now, no cure stuff
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: has a lot of identity, and a big part of
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that is due to ASoP. Honestly, like I never had
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: someone with that much vision and other bands I was
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in Not no disrespect to all my old friends or whatever,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: but like ASoP has an eye and a ear for things,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm good at making her ideas a real thing
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that you know, we can put on a measure and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: here back and it's like a piece of music, you know.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm good at like taking the seed of an
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: idea she has and blooming it into a song. If
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that makes many sense. I mean like there's there's I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: write my own, you know, full component like compositions as well.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: But like definitely, once she got more into the into writing,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it's been it's been very helpful. And honestly, it's like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the way she looks at the world has really affected me.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I'm just really thankful for her,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and it's nice to have someone like that in my corner.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And I think if I made a new band even
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: without her, I still have learned someone from her that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: it would be fine. I don't know. She just has
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: vision and a lot of times I was just making
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: something to make something. But like there's like a box,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you know, and we operate within the box, and every
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: record we push the box and move it around a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: little bit, right, But I don't know there I was
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: missing something before this band, because every band I've done
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: since I was a teenager, like I toured, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I did the things you're supposed to do, but for
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, the music I was making was not resonating
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: with people. So right, that's all I can blame, is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I get better every time, But like, I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: don't know, the factor of Asov really changed things, because
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: she has a very different perspective, Like and it's weird
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: because like she couldn't play guitar before no cure, Like
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: at a fundamental level, I'm simon being me, and like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: she was bending every chord out of tune. She was
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: looking between her hands like or picking in her fretting hand,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and so like part of the process has been like
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: me like kind of teaching her how to play guitar
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and she's come so far, and like
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that's super rewarding for me to see as well. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: love that so like her perspective as like of like
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: being a novice at first, like was super interesting, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: like I had to like make sure that the riffs
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we were doing were like within a reasonable skill level
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: for someone kind of like learning how to play guitar,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: which you know, affected the sound because I had a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: tendency to write very like riffy guitar player music before that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: So dialing that back, I didn't realize it at the time,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: but now I realize it, and I am thankful for
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it allowed me to write maybe more catchy music and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like leave more room for an interesting vocal delivery or
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: like a drum moment or whatever, like something like actually
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: get people singing along or vibing with it. You know,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it just really changed everything for me.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you do you think she like brought
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: this level of really great ideas for songs? But I mean,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: obviously it sounds like when at least when she started,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: like didn't know exactly how to execute some of those ideas,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and you were like maybe helping maybe the execution or
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: like did she actually come in with not exactly the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: best ideas or I'm just curious like around that is
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: because because it sounds like she really has like this
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: really interesting way of thinking about composition. But I'm curious,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: like did she come in with that, like that kind
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of talent of composition or is that something that needed
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to be refined as follow as her guitar work. I'm
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just curious like around that process.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Well, she she's I've known her for a very long
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: time in like adjacent bands. She always played drums and
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: like dbeat or like really fast hardcore, like not Moshing hardcore,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: like actual fast hardcore band. So like I was always
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: aware of her and her experience, and those bands have
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: been super valuable too. But like the typical process, even
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: from like our first ep from the for the Stainless
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Steel I'm Sorry, she would come over to my house
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and have like three quarters to one point five riffs
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and she play it for me and then be like, Okay,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: now what And I'd be like, what if we took
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that part and then put it into a stomp and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: then do a blast section and bring back the inshore
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: riff because we've got to have, you know, some continuity
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: because I like continuity and songs. I don't really like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: writing riff salad too much. And then we would just
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: have a song. And when I write, I commit super fast.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: If I hear something in my head and I think
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it's cool, I'm like, yep, that's how the song goes now,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: which can be annoying, I'm sure for people that are
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: forced to work with me, subjected to working with me.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm right a lot now, which is nice because
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I've been writing songs for a long time. I've like pruned,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I've pruned the idea tree as I've gone. I'm like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, doing that, and that sucks, dick, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to never do that. So like it gets optimized over
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: time and maybe one day people will say everything I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: write sounds the same and I'll be like, maybe it does.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But I have a lot of songs now,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: so I hope you like them kind of vibe. I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: don't know right.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Right, No, I love that you sort of like take
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it or leave it, but like this is this is
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: what you're gonna get from me, Yeah, which I really appreciate.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about the new album. So, like you mentioned,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it's been a few days now. I hope I die here. Unbelievable.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I just like it's unfortunately it came out so recently
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that it's like not an album that we would have
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: been able to review for like our top you know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: albums of twenty twenty four, so it might be able
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: to sneak in for Top twenty five or for twenty
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: twenty five, but it's absolutely just like I mean, a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: lot of your albums like there're you know, a number
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of songs, you know, seven or eight songs or whatever,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like under twenty minutes, but like this does feel like
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: it's more well first off, better produced. I do think
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: the songwriting has gotten better. I mean, obviously that's something
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you guys are priding yourselves on, but I think you
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: guys are just getting better as songwriters, and it's just well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: more well produced. It does sound like just even like
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: you guys are getting better at your instruments. Sure as
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: part of it too, So it was just everything overall.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: This is just by far, without question, the best No
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Cure album, and it's just unbelievable. So that's my like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that's my own like little short review of it. But
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like, what are your own reflections on
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: this album, Like when when you guys hear this album
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: for the first time, you know, maybe it was a
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: number of months ago or not, But what was your
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: first reflections, especially in comparison to the past couple records.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Sure. So, kind of the format that I've been pursuing
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: with this band is like the longer EP kind of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: format and like have something to kind of semi quickly
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: follow up the last release. So to me, this is
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: this is EP four because we had for the Stayles
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Steel in early twenty Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'm like, it's not full length,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: but like kind of like in the hardcore world, it
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: can maybe be considered full length since hardcore can be
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: so short of records. But yeah, I get that. I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: totally get that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: We will do like a proper LP that's probably the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: next thing, but we might do like a split or something.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know between this and then. But I do
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: want to make the proper like LP one No Cure
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Experience sometime after this one. But yeah, so I don't
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: know this This record is a little different than the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: committed to Perser cars from Birth are for the stainless Steel,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and a product of that is just we have been
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: touring so much, you know, and a lot of times
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I have ideas on tour and I you know, type
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: them into my computer. And because I use a program
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: called Tux Guitar, which is like Ultimate or pro a
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: guitar pro, but free and not as fully featured. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I've just been using that since forever because it was
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: free and I was a young child that wanted to learn,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you know of bene seven full guitar tabs and hate
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: free guitar tabs and stuff. So I'm just really good
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: at Tux Guitar now, even though I know that Guitar
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Pro can do more. I like Tux Guitar. It has
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a cute little penguin guy. Love it, but yeah, so.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Love the penguin.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Just writing a bunch on tour and then like blasting
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: out songs with ASoP between tour. It's just I don't know.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of conceptual vision for this record more
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: so than like what songs were actually gonna sound like
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that makes mey sense, because like I knew I wanted
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to do something different than the commitment to permanents, because
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the commitment to Permiens is kind of like this is
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: kind of like a general you know who we are
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and some things I think, right, But this record I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to, like make. I don't want to call it
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a concept record because like that sounds like I should
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: be beaten up and put into a locker and spit on.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk about some shit, right, And
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: that's why there's someone from Alabama that's like done something
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: for Alabama metal and slash or hardcore over the years
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: on each song, because it's a very underrepresented place. But
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to me, it's my life. I've been there. I've seen
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: so much cool stuff come and go that like the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: general rest of the world isn't really tuned into. So
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I saw that no cure was you know, kind of
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like doing more stuff, and I was like, this is
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: my opportunity to tell our story about our place and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you know, make a claim about it. And and I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: thought it was something different. So that's kind of like
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the purpose of it. I knew before. What I'm trying
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to say is I knew before what's the songs were
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: going to sound, like, what the purpose of it was,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: which was not the case for the previous records. The
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: other ones were kind of like I wrote some songs,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you know, but this one, it has it had purpose
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: from day one, and it took me a minute to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: convince the rest of the band that was a good idea.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And it's too soon to know if it was a
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: good idea, but it's the record that I needed to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: make because you know, I'm from Alabama and that's a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: big part of who I am. And I've toured a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: lot and then a lot of people that are very
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: surprised that I'm from Alabama, and they have, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: some nice things to say about that, just because that's
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: what you're told to think. And I'm kind of trying
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to show people that there's more to Alabama than what
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they think, and there's bands here and there's cool shows,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of people that care about a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff that are trying to make things better.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not trying to like act like it's
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: not a place where bad things happened. I know that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I'm owning that, and I'm just trying to say, yeah,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I know, we're working on it, so I want to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: make a record about that makes any sense.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It's now just like coming to consciousness for me that like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, like all these features, because there's obviously like
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: there's a feature on every every song. It's now just
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: like coming to my mind, I'm like, oh, yeah, every
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: band that's featured is also from Alabama. Yeah, I didn't
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: put that. I didn't put two and two together. Yeah
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: until just this moment, this is all you mentioned that.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I purposely picked people that I have like a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: personal relationship with, not necessarily like the biggest band for
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: all of them, right, because I think because part of
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the purpose of this is is I want people to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: look at the track listing and be like, oh, I've
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: only heard of a couple of these guys, Like who
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: are these other people? Like I want that's like kind
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: of the point, Like I want them to like listen
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to the song and be like, Okay, what's wretched blessing?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: You know, Like I want them to go figure out
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: what that is, Like who's Khan? And I don't know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the purpose of it. It's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like I don't want to say a period piece, but
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like this, it's kind of like where my was that,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you know. I just wanted to like use my first
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: label release to have my friends on our songs, let
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: them do their things, talk about things they care about,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and have like a statement to make that makes any sense,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and like double down on who I am.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I want to keep talking about the new album,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: but this is like coming to mind now, especially you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: knowing that you care so much about being from Alabama
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: as a hardcore metal core band. So I grew up
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Colin and I both grew up in South Dakota, which
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I would imagine a lot of people with stereotype is
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: sort of the Alabama of the north right in a
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: lot of ways. So we grew up in South Dakota
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: where there's almost virtually no heavy bands at all. Like
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: maybe there's a Earth Growns if you've ever heard I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: know Jeremy Dreamy from Earth Grownes. Jeremmy is a great guy,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you know, he's from South Dakota, born and raised. And
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: there's I know we've interviewed them before. I'm totally blinking
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and I feel really bad right now, but I'm blanking
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: on their name. But they're from South Dakota as well,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: but they were on Facedown Records for a while. But anyway,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: there has been a little tiny bit just like maybe
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a couple bands, I at least that I'm aware of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of heavy bands that have come from South Dakota. But
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: where when Colin and I were growing up, and we
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: were huge Solid State Records and Facedown Records fans. You know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: we grew up in that like Christian heavy music world.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Almost every band was from the Southeast, whether they were
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: from Georgia or Alabama or Florida, North Carolina. You know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: they're just like Tennessee. Like just that whole South to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: us was like just so many unbelievable bands. And you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: obviously there's tons of stereotypes about the South or whatever,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: but there is so much good heavy music that comes
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: out of the South. And a question that often comes
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: up for both Colin and I is what do you
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: all like drinking in the water? Like what's in the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: water all drinking that is basically like making such unbelievable
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: heavy music. Is it something where just like you get
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: a few bands that just start that culture and everybody
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: is like, that is the thing that I want to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: do when you're fourteen and you show up to a show.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Cause again, like growing up in South Dakota, there is
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: no like when you're fourteen years old, like if there's
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: a concert you go to, it's it's a country concert
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: or whatever. Like, no, there's no heavy bands to go to,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: So Yeah, I'm just curious, like, what is it that
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: for you all that like just breeds all of this
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: great heavy music in the Southeast. Even if it is
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: kind of a obviously, it's probably still like a sort
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of a subculture or counterculture.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't really have a good answer
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: to that question. I just found these things organically and
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: loved it. You know, I don't know how everyone else
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: found it, but I don't know. When I first started
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: going to shows, church shows were like the thing, so
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like we had tons of like big venue spaces where
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: parents were comfortable dropping their kids off, which is pretty important.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Because that's a huge part of it.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they know that they're they're teenager is not
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: going to get drugged or something, right, And that's why
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: even still I book a lot of shows at a
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: place called Insanity's Skate Park because I know, well, for one,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: it's sentimental to me because I grew up going to
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: shows there, Like the first time I ever saw my
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: wife in person, before I even kne who she was.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing her there as like a very young teenager.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: So like it's a very emotional place for me. But
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I know that a kid that's like kind of interested
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: in what might be going on in heavy music, Like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: their dad will be like, yeah, i'll take you to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: skate park. It's cool, I'll get you at nine thirty.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: You know. I know that that's a big factor because
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I grew up going to shows there and at more accessible,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: safe places, you know, because like you're not going to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: take your kid to the shitty bar to go see
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a bandy that you don't know, like at least like
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a more like normy.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Parent isn't going to do that totally totally.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: So that is I think a pretty big factor in
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: why there were so many Christian metalcore bands for a
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: long time, because we had the infrastructure of all the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: churches to have that. I was never like a religious
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: person really. I had a phase once wanted to go
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to church, but that was really just to talk to girls.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: So I never really identified with any of that. But
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I liked a lot of the Christian metal core bands
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, a young teenager, because like
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that was what was happening, and I didn't like find
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: out about like hardcore properly until a few years later,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that shit's way cooler.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well around that. I mean, you guys
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: kind of pride yourselves on the fact that you all
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: are straight edge. And I don't know if this is
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: something we've ever had like a really like kind of
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: straight up conversation about on the podcast, but I've definitely
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: explored a little bit around just like straight straight edge
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: culture and all of that. But I'd love to just
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: kind of hear maybe your own personal take on like
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: what what is important about that for you for you
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: all in this band, Like, Yeah, I'm just curious, like
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: what what is it that like draws you to being
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: straight edge and and something that like you sort of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: pride yourselves on.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Sure, I mean it's I've been straight edge for a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: very long time now, I claimed when I was fourteen,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and I claimed as soon as I found out what
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: straight edge was, because I didn't know that like that
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: was an option, you know. I knew from a young
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: age that I did not replicate want to replicate a
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: lot of the patterns of substance abuse that I had observed,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And I was very overjoyed to find out that this
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: music that I was already starting to find like there's
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of people behind the scenes that are straight edge,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like kind of running the shit, you know. And I
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's really cool, because I remember my
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: path into figuring out what straight edge was is kind
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of weird. It's kind of goofy. So like, this is
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Australian metalcore band called I Kill the prom Queen that
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I've always loved. I found them really early, so they're
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: super formative to me. Their record music for the recently
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: deceased I loved it. I love all their records now
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: because I don't know, there's really important to me. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: found them on YouTube from like related videos, because I
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: just I would just go on YouTube and watch music
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: video total, like as a kid, I'd just go watch
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: music videos. It's like it's time to watch eighteen music videos.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And that's how I found them. And I remember that
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: there's a video of like a lyric video or like
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: just a general song upload and they had a promo
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of the band and one of them was wearing I
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: think an Earth Crisis shirt and I was like, okay,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: what's earth Crisis? I like, I could a prom queen.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: They like Earth Crisis. I'm gonna go figure out where
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Earth Crisis is.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: You have to you You feel almost feel like obligated
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: that you have to like Earth Crisis.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I put it on and I was like
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: whoa what shit? And then I was like, Okay, this
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: is a straight edge band. This is the culture, right
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: because Earth Crisis like lays it out for you, like
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: it's the fucking Commandments and make they make it. Yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: they make it really simple for like a new person
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to understand. And that's part of like what's special about it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Besides the fact that they can they have some really
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: amazing music. So anyway, that's kind of my path into it,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: and it was really motivated by like not wanting to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: repeat the things I had seen people do tweat each
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: other or things that had happened to me as a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: young person. And now for me, it's still that like
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a part of a cycle
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of abuse, right and I want to be locked in,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to I have a lot of goals.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I gotta do shit, I gotta get it done, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: those distractions are distractions. So I'm just not interested. I'm busy.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to do drugs.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I got shit to do, right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Do you do you think it's something even like beyond
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: so I mean, obviously there's things like drugs and alcohol
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: that people can and do abuse, But for you, like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the straight edge, does it even exist beyond just like
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: substances themselves that like you can feel like, oh, this
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: is like taking over my life where it's like, oh,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: there's like certain like oh if fame could be like
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: a certain a certain substance, is that something that you
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: want to avoid or are there certain things even beyond
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: just like the substances like of alcohol and drugs in
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: the straight edge world that you feel like, oh, that
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: this also needs to be maybe avoided because it can
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: like warp or change the way that we should relate
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to one another. Like you can kind of get what
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm like saying, like, like there's things like you know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: fame or money or whatever that like, oh, if we
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: just pursue those things, it has the same sort of
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: addictive possibility that like drugs or alcohol could and like
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: we should avoid those things too. Like do you wonder
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: like or do you think through like for you as
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a straight edge person, like do you think that those
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: things are just like as something that we should be
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: sort of avoiding.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I Mean, I've never looked at it that way for me,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: it is purely in the physical sense.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I was just curious, like if it's something
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: even beyond that or not.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I Mean, the only way I really extrapolate, like the
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: same kind of logic is I just try to kind
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: of take care of myself, get good sleep, eat well, exercise.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: But like that's not a tenet of the straight edge,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: but the same part of the same reason why I
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like being straight edge is the same reason why I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: like trying to do that kind of thing. If I
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: don't get my eight hours, I'm like, I'm gonna die soon,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you know. I try, I try to really take care
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I was just curious because
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I like, I know that like even for some straight
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: edge people, they even go to the point of like
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: becoming vegan for a variety of kind of like ethical
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: reasons because they sort of see it as like a
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: manifestation or like a continuation of being straight edge. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: so I was just curious, like if if there's like
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: maybe even like sort of like non physical things that
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: are try to like be avoided within the straight edge world,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: you know, for maybe similar reasons to why you avoid
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: drugs or alcohol.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say that there is for me.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I just I personally just don't look at it that way.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: But that's interesting, and you know, maybe that's one of
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: the takeaways I have from this conversation just is just
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: think of like how like that the pursuit of purity
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of mental state is like more than just you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: not getting fucked up. I get what you're saying. That's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: just not how I looked at it before this.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was just curious if that was
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: something so wonderful. Well, le's kind of a couple of
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: questions around at least just around the album, and we'll
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: chat about your your top five influential albums. But for
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: this new album again, like you know, I do think
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: like this is very classic No Cure in a lot
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: of ways, but also there is like some stuff just
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: in terms of the sound, and you know, I mentioned
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's just more well produced than past no
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Qre album And that's at the like shame any of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the past albums. I think they're great albums, but there's
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: just like a next kind of element of like you're
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: trying to do better in this album than in previous albums.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: But do you think there's like just even from like
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: a songwriting perspective, or is there something where you're like, oh,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do something different in this new album
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: than previous albums. Like I'm just curious, like, is there
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: something unique that you're trying to do with this album
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: that maybe at least that was intentionally done that was
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: different than previous albums.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I mean in a way, Yeah, one thing I really
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: wanted to do with I Hope I Die Here is
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that I wanted each song to have a purpose and identity,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and like, I didn't want any listener to be like, oh,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: in my own track three or track five. I wanted
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to be like, each song is its own thing, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: that makes any sense. And I'm not gonna say that
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: other songs of ours bleed together because I think that
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: we make good songs. That's why we're here, you know.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: But I think that it was very intentional with that
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: on this one. So there's a bit more range between
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the songs just naturally with that. So that's definitely a factor.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: But to speak on the production briefly, we've been stepping
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: up how we do things intentionally. So our first EP
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: in early twenty twenty two which was when we announced
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the band started playing shows. Blah blah blah blah. It's
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: called for the Stainless Steel. We recorded that record and
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: mixed it ourselves, like Duncan, our drummer like ran the operation.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: He had his friend Wavy J help with it. But
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: like it was very internally and Dunk is not a
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: record maker. He just has made some records, that makes
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: any sense. So it's extremely diy and raw, and that's
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: just because of how we made it. And I love
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: that record. It sounds kind of bad, but it sounds
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: bad in an aesthetically cool way because there are an
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: interesting intent and vision behind it. And then cursh from Birth,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: which we followed that up like six months later in
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: late twenty twenty two or like fall Ish No, I
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: think it was October. That sounds right. That one we
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: recorded ourselves, but then you know, paid a friend to
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: mix that one, so instead of it being in entirely
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: in houses, kind of split. And then for the equipment
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to permanence, we recorded the instruments with a guy in Alabama,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Kevin Langley, and then sent them off to get mixed.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: And that mixing process was pretty brutal. It was like
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: seven revisions to get something that we liked, so I
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: didn't want to do it that way again. So when
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: it came to the Alabama record, I was like, Hey, Kevin,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: just do the whole thing. But I had a very
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: clear vision of like what I wanted each part of
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the mix of I'm like that makes mey sense. So
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I was able to communicate to him, like what need
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to happen. And I mean, Kevin's been recording bands of
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: mine since I was fifteen years old, so we had
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: a long relationship and it felt important to get the
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Alabama guy to do the Alabama record, so that was
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: never a question. And he really just made the mix awesome, honestly.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: He it was like one set of revisions and it
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're missing a guitar part, can you
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: turn that part back up? It was like that kind
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: of thing, Like he nailed it pretty quick. It was
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: very I was really happy with it. And yeah, I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: mean there's a couple of things. We rushed it really fast, honestly,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: because we recorded it in June of this year and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: so yes, and we didn't submit the masters until the
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: first week of October, like into the first week of October.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: That's not what you're supposed to do, just so anyone
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: knows that's not ideal, but you can do it. And
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I just like to work fast sometimes, so we rushed
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: through like the mixing phase and like revision phase and
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that's okay because we knew what we wanted. Hop Yeah,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: it just came together fast. That's why we don't have
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: physicals yet, because we didn't give sharp tone enough time.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's went too fast.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess Nuclear is doing the physicals, but you
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, Like.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I'm I think it's honestly, I think it's like perfectly
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: mixed and mastered in terms of my own like ears
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: around what medicore uh should sound like where you know,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: some some stuff, especially in that like metal core world,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: is too produced where you just lose a little bit
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: of that rawness where but then like some of the stuff,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you know, especially like early stuff from like the early
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: two thousands or whatever, it just sounds like garbage. Yeah uh,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: And like there's just this fine line of how that
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: stuff should be mixed and mastered where it's just like
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: this perfect blend of balance where it's it sounds clean,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: but also it still sounds raw like the way it should.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I think you all nailed the perfect balance,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: like to the point where at least obviously like who
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: am I, But I think it's just perfectly balanced, where
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: like I wouldn't stray too much farther from like from
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: it in terms of my own opinion, like I think
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: it's just perfectly balanced. I would like, you know, just
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: like keep moving along. In terms of like production like
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: mixed mix and mastering and stuff, I think it's nailed perfectly.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I mean, part of why it sounds
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the way it does, it's because how we recorded it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: You know, the drums were done in big comps, so
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: like Duncan would just play the song to me, played again,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and maybe he played a third time, right, and then
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: people be like it was good through this part, then
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: we'll take this part this half here, and that was
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: like it and it was very minimally edited, Like he's
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: just really really good at drums, and because it was
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: able to be so natural because he's so good, Like
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like timing variations and stuff that
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: like makes it sound like a band is playing because
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: a guy played the drums. You know, it's like not
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: some mini horseshit dude, so many Like I am so
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: sick of hearing bad that's the.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Huge part to me. It's like the drums. If I
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: can immediately hear that, it's like some MIDI drums. I'm done. Yeah,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I can't do it.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: It's unconscionable unless it's for demos, honestly, and that's harsh.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Some people listening to this might be offended. I'm sorry,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: make cooler shit. Sorry, I can't live with that anymore. Yes,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: just lock in and the vocals are super raw. Also,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I mean there there's effects like this is a distortion
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and compression whatever. But like the way I recorded it is,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I just held the mic in my hand and I
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: did the line. It's not on the grid, you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: like he didn't like chop it up in like time
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: toline it or anything. And there's like very minimal reinforcement.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: There's no doubles, you know. I just fucking screamed the song.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think it adds something. You
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: hear all my breaths because I had to breathe the scream,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: you know, So I don't know. I just think there's
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: some there's some rawness to it, but it's also a
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: really well done mix because Kevin's awesome, you know. I
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: hope that the record catches on and then like more
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: out of state bands like Yo, who did the Nocure record.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I've never heard of that guy, you know, as far
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the reason why I wanted it to be my the
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: guy that I've always been recording with. You know that
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that felt right to me.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I again, I think it's just the like a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: masterly produced and just mixed and mastered kind of metal
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: core album. Like to me, it's just it's got the
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: perfect balance of stuff that's just like it sounds clean
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: enough and also it's still saw like sounds raw enough.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: It's just it's like perfect and it's a fine line
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: to like get it in that perfect balance. And I
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: think you guys are right there.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's evil for sure. It's also gross sounding,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: like the guitar tones are nasty, you know, very blown
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: out evil guitar tones. But it's like clear enough that
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you can like tell like when the note is changing,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: you know, but you don't get every exact detail because
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: it's still like a very extreme metal record. It's like
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: to me, it's pretty far outside the realm of like
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: what people would think of when they hear metalcore. But
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not here to debate what genre you
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: fall in. We do a lot of metal core tour,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I know that, but I think a good niche for
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: us as being the evil band on the otherwise, you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: more corporate, easy to listen to tour, right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean, I don't know what you guys
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: think of all the sort of bands in this vein
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: or in this world. But to me, like a band
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: just in terms of just production style of like what
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: this particular album sounds like that it just reminds me.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Not to say like style wise it reminds me of this,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: but just the production of it sounds similar to me
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: is vain FM with their their last album from a
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Just the the guitar work in
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: terms of the production style sounds similar. Again, not to
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: say that it's you guys aren't doing the same kind
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: of thing that vain FM is doing, but just the
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: sort of the vocal production, the guitar production, the drum production,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: it sounds in the same sort of avenue of like
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: really great. Again to me, it's like a perfect album
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: in terms of that like balance of production I appreciate.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: So that's why I really appreciate about it.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, I mean, I do like that band,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: but it was their their damn good band. It was
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: not on my list of you know, mixed references. But
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I still think they're awesome.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: They're a great band. So well, I know we're we're uh,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: we're getting close here, So let's chat about top five
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: influential albums. So yeah, what are the albums that have
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: maybe shaped you as a person as a musician. Loved
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: to love to hear some of those albums.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, my Timmy is second to think of all these,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and that's totally fine. No one can yell at me.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: But I gotta talk about even sevenfold, Waking the Fallen, Okay,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I gotta talk about it. Desecrate through reverence. The reality
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of the situation is you're mashing, You're you're you're going
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to match. It is awesome. I'm glad I got in
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: that band early. I got in the City of Evil
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: first because that was you know, the crazy guitar record,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to be a guitar player.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: But then I went back to Waking the Fallen and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Sile and s having the trumpet, and those are a
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: lot more like Agro Records, And I don't know, there's
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: just a lot of really cool ideas there. So that's
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: definitely been super influential on me. I am one of
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: the guys that thinks that Matt Shadows is a very
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: cool vocalist. I know people make fun of his nasaliness.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I don't care. I think it's badass. So that's gotta
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: be a it's gotta be on my top five. Hate
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Breed perseverance. Come on, oh okay, get a grip. How
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: can you make so many awesome metalcore songs? How can
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: you do it? How is this allowed? It's just unbelievable.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Just they played at Furnish Fest, like what two or
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: three years ago? Now I forget, I forget what year
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: they played, but they played just a.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Couple of years ago, right, it was twenty three?
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, what, okay, did you go to that show?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I was there. I was like yeah, I mean,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I guess people can't see my hands because this is
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: a podcast, but I put horns up.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah did that?
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: It was awesome? I gotta talk about I could the
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: problem clean music for the recently deceased.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Really okay, I love that record. See that's a band.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I know you mentioned the name, and I'm I'm like,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I kind of maybe remember that name, but I am
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: not familiar with their music at all. So like the
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: fact that you're mentioning him, I'm like, all right, after
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: this interview, we're I'm gonna check them out.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: This is for sure nostalgia bated a little bit, and
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: I don't care. It's a comfort record for me. I
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: put it on and I remember when things were a
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: little more simple, and I remember my parents loved each other,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and I liked that part of life quite a lot,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, that record really resonated with me.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I know that's like not a very popular record, especially
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: amongst people like in my cohort, and I don't give
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: a fuck, honestly, I like it. Their singer at the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: time for that record, his name was Ed Butcher. He
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: was in a band called Eternal Lord before then that
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: I also thought was cool, but I hadn't heard the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: particular combination of like actual like death metal influenced vocals
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: on a medical record like that that was like kind
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: of like accessible and easy listen to for me at
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the time. So I just really loved that record. I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: don't know, it has cool guitar work, it's got mosh breakdown,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: but really is it was is Edwards's voice that really
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: stuck with me and now still he's been a big
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: influence on like me trying to find my own voice.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if anyone would draw that conclusion,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: but like me trying to imitate him is kind of
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: like how I found like my main voice. I do
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: a lot in No Cure that no one has.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Also, by the way, what an incredible band name too.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very MySpace emo total, but I don't know.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: For whatever reason, I don't know. I really liked that
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: record and they're they're twenty fourteen record too beloved. I
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: like that one a lot. Also, I was a little
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: older when that one came out, but I was like, yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: this is this is riffy. There is going fast, and
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: I like that as kind of a return to like
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: form of like not seeing kid in metal core anymore,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: because like music for recently just see it's a little
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: bit seen kid metalcore and that's fine. I like that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I guess my fourth one, I can't it's really hard
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: to take between Foundation records. I love Foundation, Do I
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: have to I had to pick between them?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: It'd be awfully nice if you could pick one.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: When the smoke clears Foundation, I'm again the sick reality
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of the situation is that you are mashing and it's
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: just beautiful lyrics. It's a straight edgevan from Atlanta, you know,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: two and a half hours from where I live now
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: in Birmingham. It's just perfect. I don't know. The way
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: they go about music was just so cool. And I
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: found them, like, you know, not too long after I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: found Hate Breed because they that was kind of like
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: when they were starting to go around and stuff, and
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: they were super influential on me. I love that band.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: That's why for Edge Day this year, we put out
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: a little cover of one of their songs because I
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, we wanted to. It's just cool.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I know that, Like the rule is ten years and
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: that record came out I think in twenty eleven. Less
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I'm getting confused, so yeah, but yeah, I guess the
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: fifth record Reigned Supreme by Dying Fetus.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, Dying Fetus. Oh that's a great call.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's undeniable I love it, and I mean
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I remember I was twelve and I my pee coach
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: at the time asked me who my favorite band was,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and I lied and I said Dying Fetus. That was
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: not true, but I was aware of them and I've
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: liked them for a long time.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Wait when you when you tell your your coach, hey,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: my favorite band is Dying Fetus, and they're not aware
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: of bands like this and band names like this. What
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: does a coach say to the fact that you say, yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: my favorite band is Dying Fetus.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My coach's name was Coach Hodge. I remember this
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: very clearly. He was like, I don't know how to
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: describe him. He's like this funny black guy that makes
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: any sense, you know, that's He's just funny guy.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And he was like he didn't have any judgment on
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: the fact of your favorite band was Dying Fetus.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: He did because I was just trying to be edgy.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So I said the scariest band name I could think of,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: and he was like, dying what Fetus? And I was
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: like run something like like yes, sir, and he said
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: why or something like that. I don't remember exactly what
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: he said, but he was like kind of like, why
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: are you listening to that? So I don't know, And
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I mean I was aware Dying Fetus, but I definitely
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: got more into them as I appreciated the genre more
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: beyond just being an edgy teenager, and I was like,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: oh no, this is this is real stuff, which is
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: why people ask me, like what you know, the general
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: initial idea for No Cure was and the way I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: describe it personally is trying to do like you know, foundation,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: hate bread stuff, but also like Dying Fetus and like
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: meet it somewhere in the middle, you know. So Dying
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Fetus's parts are definitely very influential on me. So that's
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: why I gotta say Weyan Supreme. But yeah, I mean
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: if you asked you tomorrow, I might say five different records,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: but those are pretty important to me.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Love that, love that well. If Coach Hodge is listening
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: right now for some reason, uh, clearly, Dying Fetus was
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: not a phase. So you know, you might you might
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: have been judgmental in the moment, but it was clearly
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: not a phase, and so that much you got to respect.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was a good sport about a child
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: telling him that his favorite band was dying fetus.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: He laughed.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: You know it was cool, But yeah, I was a
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: little shithead for saying.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: That, And I get that.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I get that, And I was a poser for saying
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: that because that wasn't my favorite band. My favorite band
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: of time was at Benge Sevenfold.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, but also like he wouldn't have known Avenge Sevenfold.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: But I respect the fact that you're, like, what's gonna
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: be the edgiest thing I can say right now? And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I can respect that.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: What's a boy to do? Can I not have fun?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: That's right? That's right. Yeah, you gotta have all that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: fun when you're you're in sixth grade, when you're straight
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: at right, because I wasn't straight at yet. But yeah,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: so you got you gotta gotta take advantage of when
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: you can just kidding all right, Uh blathe, Uh what
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: do you want to plug? Obviously new albums out, brand new. Uh,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: guys are on tour clearly because you literally just played
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: a show about an hour ago. Uh, but uh yeah,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: what what do you what do you all want to plug?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Uh? It would be very nice of all the listeners
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: of this Esteemed Podcasts went after this to go listen
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: to the record that we have spoke so kindly of.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I worked very hard on it, and I think it's good,
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  Speaker 1: and I think I will continue to think it's good
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  Speaker 1: throughout my life, though time will tell. Maybe I'll turn
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  Speaker 1: on it, but right now I'm pretty stoked on it.
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  Speaker 1: I would like it if these people came to our
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  Speaker 1: shows and bought one hundred T shirts so we could
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  Speaker 1: keep playing shows. That's very nice when people do that.
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  Speaker 1: We're on tour a Vomit fourth right now in the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Northeast mostly, but you know, early January, we're flying to
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  Speaker 1: Europe for the first time. We're doing the whole mainland
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, gonna go crazy mode, and then
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  Speaker 1: after that we're coming right back to America. We have
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: like a few days and then we're doing the whole
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  Speaker 1: United States again with Throne. And that's that Swedish band
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  Speaker 1: that is really good at Spotify. They've got that figured out.
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  Speaker 1: They are playing after every song. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: they did it, but people definitely like that band. Those
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  Speaker 1: shows are like some of them are already selling out
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  Speaker 1: and upgrading venues. I'm like, Wow, what a nice tour
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  Speaker 1: to be a support band on. So I'm really excited
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  Speaker 1: for that and they wanted us. So who am I
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  Speaker 1: to deny a guy that asks for me?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'll go I love that, Love that dude
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  Speaker 2: you have. You have no ego about it, You're just like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be a part of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I personally, And people don't always agree
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  Speaker 1: with this, Like in bands like I don't care who
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  Speaker 1: I tour with a lot of times unless they're like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, verifiably shitty people. They don't have to sound
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  Speaker 1: like me for me to still be the band I am. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll do a Gideon tour and I'll turn around and
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: do a Vomit Fourth tour. I don't. I don't care,
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  Speaker 1: Like if they're nice people and the shows are cool,
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  Speaker 1: like I want to be there, you know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that doing tours the bands outside of our genre
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  Speaker 1: are like going to make us sound different, because that's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: how music works. I'm the one with the microphone, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm cool with doing out genre stuff just to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: be in front of different people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not an elitist about this at all, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't enjoy that. I think it's lame.
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  Speaker 1: You know, maybe that makes me not cool enough for
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the super cool kid. And I don't care kill yourself.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Probably can't, Probably can't say that. Can I say that?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Can I say kill yourself on the podcast?
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  Speaker 2: I'll just have to make sure that there's an E
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  Speaker 2: next to the episode.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: But that's all right, do not kill yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Please live forever, try your best to live forever.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so the E is explicit? That's that's that was
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that was too much for it.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just I don't I don't know, maybe i'll I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I usually put an EX to our episodes just in case,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's not very E. Just just to like
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  Speaker 2: make sure that I'm safe, that I don't get demonetized
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want anyone that doesn't like me to kill himself.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: That was a joke. Unless you do, and then that's weird.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't matter that much to you.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Like you're definitely putting way too
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  Speaker 2: much talk into play. I am just a guy, very
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: much a guy from uh from Birmingham. Like there's nobody
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: from Birmingham worth dying for.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to that. There's nobody
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  Speaker 1: from anywhere worth dying.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: For well, maybe there's a guy from Bethelhem but just
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: kid kidd.
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  Speaker 1: What's his name?
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  Speaker 2: Jesus some Nazareth?
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Not familiar. I never met him never.
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  Speaker 2: Never min a right fair enough blatheh what else do
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: you want to plug?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've been doing this VIP thing on this
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: tour where we put you in the trailer and uh, yeah,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: that's the whole experience. It's pretty good.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: You just do you like travel on the trailer? Like,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: what's the what's the what's the gist of being? Do
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: you get locked up in the trailer? What's going on
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: in the trail?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to like give away the surprise
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: about the trailer, but yeah, it's really making this whole
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: thing a lot more profitable. We're actually a rich band
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: now because of our trailer VIP experience. Like, you know,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: it's going pretty good now that people are having them
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: a lot to say about the trailer and no cure experience.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Do sales for that spike around, like, uh, October thirty first,
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  Speaker 2: by any chance?
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  Speaker 1: No, I have a knife. I have two big knives,
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  Speaker 1: and most people are pretty down when I suggest nicely
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: and calmly that it's time for the trailer part.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what the edge and straight edge means is
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: your two knives that they that you're speaking of right now.
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  Speaker 1: No, but they help.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's too straight edge. So it's it's actually
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: not just you're not just straight edge, you're double straight edge.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Uh No, I just have some knives that I'm straight edge.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough, all right. Well,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: you know, if you do happen to find yourself in
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: the Midwest, you may or may not have a taker
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: on this uh this little uh uh you know van
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: uh and trailer experience.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are gonna rob you, Mason.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I mean I often joke if if you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: if you end up like stealing my identity or rob me,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: you're going to end up in more debt than you
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: went in with.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: So just saying I'm good at leveraging.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Clearly, clearly, clearly with your two straight edges. So well,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Blath so much fun chatting a little bit up more
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: about no cure, and especially right after a show. Again,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: I can't like, I can't thank you enough for doing this,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine like what your voice and just
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: like you know, playing guitar and just like going all
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: out for a show and then immediately saying, all right,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go talk to a random dude on the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: internet for an hour, Like I just like, I think
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: that's super cool to me. So I definitely have seen
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: you guys at Firstfest. It's so much fun to watch
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: you guys play. If you guys end up in the Midwest,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I will be there. I can assure you that. So
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: super stoked. New albums unbelievable. So thanks so much for
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: chatting more about it, and hopefully you got to see
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: you guys sometime again here in the next few months.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Just let me know if you want to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: come to one of them. I think that there's some
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Midwest states on the Throne tour. We're the two of four,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't really matter where it's going. I'm gonna
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: drive there anyway, so I don't really look at it
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: very much, you know, But yeah, we'll be out there.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: It'll be cool, and we're gonna we're gonna try to
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: kill some people.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Stu it yep, Stuart there, go out, Go out.