Latest / Predictable with Stu Burguiere / The Rise of the FAKE Independents & Senate Balance Check
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- 0:00Welcome to Predictable with Stu.
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- 0:21Today,
- 0:21we're gonna check,
- 0:22check in on The predictable midterm consensus.
- 0:24What's the,
- 0:24uh,
- 0:25the Senate board?
- 0:26Where,
- 0:26where's control
- 0:28looking like it might fall?
- 0:29We'll look into that.
- 0:30We'll also do,
- 0:31uh,
- 0:31talk to Mick Bransfield about the legal state of prediction markets.
- 0:34Always a very active,
- 0:36uh,
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- 0:37Lawyers making lots of money,
- 0:38uh,
- 0:38on this stuff right now.
- 0:39We'll get into that
- 0:40as well.
- 0:41And a candidate countdown all coming up today on Predictable
- 0:44with Stu.
- 0:59All right,
- 1:00here we go.
- 1:01Let's talk about prediction markets.
- 1:02Let's talk about elections.
- 1:03Why?
- 1:04Because we've got 36 days
- 1:06until we have an election.
- 1:07That's right,
- 1:0836 days
- 1:10until election day
- 1:12right now.
- 1:13And uh it's a question I get all the time.
- 1:15Is it time to panic?
- 1:18Kind of.
- 1:19Panic Day though,
- 1:20technically is not until,
- 1:22what is it?
- 1:22October 19th?
- 1:24October 19 what?
- 1:2619th,
- 1:26thank you.
- 1:26October 19th is panic day.
- 1:29There it is,
- 1:29panic day.
- 1:31Wow,
- 1:31look at that.
- 1:32It's terrifying.
- 1:32It's a tornado
- 1:34of
- 1:35ballots and logos of parties.
- 1:37Uh,
- 1:37that's how you know it's scary.
- 1:38Panic Day,
- 1:39October 19th.
- 1:40So don't panic,
- 1:41don't panic yet.
- 1:42I had someone asking me this week,
- 1:43should I panic about my positions in Texas?
- 1:44Should I panic about my positions in,
- 1:46in,
- 1:46uh,
- 1:47on the Senate?
- 1:48No,
- 1:49I wouldn't say panic yet,
- 1:50we're gonna watch closely and we're going to make sure we right
- 1:52size our positions and try to take a very balanced view.
- 1:55That's what we do here.
- 1:56That's what we do here.
- 1:57It's not crazy gambling 95 team parlays.
- 2:01Look,
- 2:02that's all fun and games.
- 2:03No problem with that myself,
- 2:05but
- 2:06What we try to do here is grow your uh bankroll
- 2:09and your investment accounts
- 2:10in a structured,
- 2:11sober,
- 2:12reasonable way.
- 2:13That's what we try to do here because
- 2:15prediction markets give
- 2:16unique opportunities for regular people to do that and that's
- 2:20what we've been doing so far throughout the primary season.
- 2:22We've done very well through the primaries.
- 2:23We hope to continue that.
- 2:24Now,
- 2:25now one of the things we're doing all the time
- 2:26is building new new tools to understand the elections better.
- 2:30One of the premier tools that we have is an election model of our own.
- 2:33It's called the predictable midterm consensus,
- 2:35and it is up at predictableshow.com.
- 2:37You can access it anytime you want
- 2:39for free
- 2:40to see
- 2:41what is the view of polling averages.
- 2:44Expert opinions,
- 2:46election models,
- 2:47fundraising,
- 2:48fundamentals,
- 2:50history,
- 2:50all of it built into one thing you can see to try to understand all of it,
- 2:54or you can click around to 9 million websites.
- 2:57Uh,
- 2:57every day,
- 2:57like I do.
- 2:59So you can either live my life
- 3:01or just go to predictableshow.com.
- 3:03Do we have the PMC available right now to look at this is what the page looks like.
- 3:07Kind of gives you a little uh updown,
- 3:09uh uh uh uh a little uh update on,
- 3:11you know,
- 3:12where things are,
- 3:13uh,
- 3:13what,
- 3:14what is the PMC kind of a quick explainer.
- 3:16And he kind of rolled down here too and control of
- 3:18Congress is what you'll see here at the top right now
- 3:20again,
- 3:21this is not my opinion.
- 3:22I
- 3:22my opinion is completely sucked out of this,
- 3:25and I will also tell you prediction market
- 3:26data is completely sucked out of these estimates.
- 3:29I'll tell you why here in a second,
- 3:31but
- 3:31if you look here,
- 3:32control of Congress,
- 3:3286.3% chance for Democrats to control the House
- 3:36and a 61% chance
- 3:38that the Democrats control
- 3:39the Senate.
- 3:40What you see below that is
- 3:43that data compared to prediction markets,
- 3:46and that's one of the things we do with the PMC.
- 3:49We wanna make sure that you can see where
- 3:51the differences are between what the experts are saying
- 3:53and what the markets are saying,
- 3:54and you'll see
- 3:56that,
- 3:56uh,
- 3:56right now markets are more optimistic for Democrats
- 4:00across the board,
- 4:02which is interesting.
- 4:03Uh,
- 4:03that's not the way it's been the entire time for the House.
- 4:06You see that Calci and Paully Market are 5 and 6 points ahead
- 4:10of where,
- 4:10uh,
- 4:11the markets are for,
- 4:12um,
- 4:13uh,
- 4:14for the PMC is the model itself,
- 4:16and a slight,
- 4:17uh,
- 4:17more subtle advantage for the Democrats
- 4:20over the 61% chance
- 4:22Democrats are,
- 4:23are,
- 4:23are going to win the Senate.
- 4:24They're at 61%.
- 4:255 and 62.5%.
- 4:27Now,
- 4:28as you kind of scroll down,
- 4:29you will see,
- 4:30uh,
- 4:31the,
- 4:32uh,
- 4:32where the Senate and the House have been.
- 4:34You can click on those charts and below that,
- 4:37we have this thing called five things from the latest PMC update.
- 4:40Uh,
- 4:40you see Republicans doing a little bit better.
- 4:42Ohio is,
- 4:43uh,
- 4:43Sherrod Brown having a little bit of a drop.
- 4:45Why?
- 4:45Why does Sherrod Brown have a drop?
- 4:47Could it be
- 4:48the,
- 4:49the candidate countdown curse,
- 4:51the CCC,
- 4:52the triple C.
- 4:54Uh,
- 4:54is in effect,
- 4:55uh,
- 4:55with Sherrod Brown because he actually went down
- 4:57the single largest drop in Democratic win probability
- 5:01in this most recent upgrade.
- 5:02Uh,
- 5:02Nebraska went the other way as Dan Osborne,
- 5:05I want to talk about him here in a second,
- 5:06um,
- 5:07he posted some good polling numbers.
- 5:09Florida gave Republicans something to like.
- 5:11Ashley Moody looking good and also Donald's
- 5:13looking pretty solid there in the polling.
- 5:15And then of course the biggest disagreement got bigger,
- 5:17um,
- 5:17because there are massive disagreements between the markets,
- 5:20much more than 1 point or 2%.
- 5:21Uh,
- 5:22on some of these states,
- 5:23if you are a premium subscriber,
- 5:24we would love you to join us
- 5:26at predictableShow.com.
- 5:27A bunch of people are subscribing all the time.
- 5:30We appreciate you doing that.
- 5:31If you're a premium subscriber,
- 5:32you get access to all the Senate races
- 5:34and you get to access how they are different,
- 5:36um,
- 5:36by than the markets.
- 5:38For example,
- 5:38you can sort by that difference,
- 5:39so you can see,
- 5:40OK,
- 5:40hey,
- 5:41these are the biggest differences between the markets
- 5:43and what,
- 5:44uh,
- 5:45What the uh predictable midterm consensus believes.
- 5:49The PMC is just uh uh it's all the uh all the data
- 5:53and all the experts together in one place.
- 5:55So if you look at that and you say wow wow,
- 5:57there's 10 points,
- 5:58there's one that's almost 20 points different,
- 6:00you could look at that,
- 6:01you could check it out,
- 6:02and then you can invest with that additional knowledge.
- 6:05So that's what the PMC looks like right now.
- 6:07We also have,
- 6:07um,
- 6:08the Senate board.
- 6:09Do we have the Senate board by any chance up,
- 6:11uh,
- 6:11Adam,
- 6:11yeah,
- 6:11this is another tool for you,
- 6:12by the way,
- 6:13this is totally free.
- 6:13You can play with us all you want.
- 6:15Uh,
- 6:15if you go to predictableShow.com,
- 6:17there's a section you kind of see at the top that says midterms.
- 6:20Uh,
- 6:20there's a drop-down menu there that has the Senate board and also has the PMC there.
- 6:24Those are tools for you,
- 6:26uh,
- 6:26to use.
- 6:27The Senate board is totally free for you.
- 6:28So look at this.
- 6:29This is,
- 6:29this is,
- 6:29it starts with my latest board,
- 6:31which I updated a week or two ago.
- 6:32Maybe we should do some updates here live.
- 6:34Uh,
- 6:34but kind of scroll down and you see it's 49 Democrats,
- 6:3749 Republicans with 2 toss-ups.
- 6:38This is how I have it set up.
- 6:40Now,
- 6:40what you can do.
- 6:42At any point
- 6:43is drag these races around and move them around.
- 6:47Like,
- 6:47for example,
- 6:48we're talking about Nebraska a little bit.
- 6:49Let's take that Nebraska,
- 6:50which is currently a likely Republican,
- 6:52and slide that over to the lean Republican,
- 6:55uh,
- 6:55column.
- 6:56Uh,
- 6:56you can kind of drag it over,
- 6:57right,
- 6:57drop it in there and it'll change the way that that's set up.
- 7:00Um,
- 7:01uh,
- 7:01right now you see,
- 7:02uh,
- 7:0350 to 48 is what it does.
- 7:05Uh,
- 7:05now,
- 7:05uh,
- 7:06currently seems because we moved Ohio as well.
- 7:08If you take that Ohio,
- 7:09uh,
- 7:09move that back to lean Democrat,
- 7:11for example,
- 7:12um,
- 7:12as you do that,
- 7:13it'll calculate the difference right up on top.
- 7:16If you say,
- 7:16OK,
- 7:17Maine,
- 7:17I think is gonna go to the Republicans,
- 7:18we'll move that to lean Republican,
- 7:20and Michigan,
- 7:22uh,
- 7:23let's say that's a Democrat right now.
- 7:24Al Sayed
- 7:25uh holds on to that one,
- 7:27move that to lean Democrat.
- 7:28If you do that,
- 7:29it,
- 7:29it'll basically update you as you go.
- 7:31We just added,
- 7:32uh,
- 7:33today or yesterday.
- 7:34A sharing
- 7:36feature
- 7:37so you can line this up however you want,
- 7:39move the states around in any direction that you want,
- 7:42and you can,
- 7:43um,
- 7:44share,
- 7:44uh,
- 7:44this to Twitter,
- 7:45share it to any social media
- 7:47that you want.
- 7:48Uh,
- 7:48you could share it with your friends,
- 7:50have them come back and have them participate
- 7:52as well.
- 7:53And if you don't know,
- 7:53if you're like looking at,
- 7:54well,
- 7:54I don't really know much about the New Hampshire Senate race,
- 7:56if you click on New Hampshire,
- 7:58uh,
- 7:58it'll kind of
- 7:59click on that and it should bring up,
- 8:00um,
- 8:01uh,
- 8:01New Hampshire is in the lean Democratic column there.
- 8:03Uh,
- 8:04you click on that and you see it'll kind of give you a link to the Calshi and,
- 8:07uh,
- 8:08uh,
- 8:09the,
- 8:09the PMC,
- 8:10uh,
- 8:11which is the
- 8:12R model.
- 8:12It has a link to Calshi
- 8:14and kind of has a list at the top,
- 8:16John Sununu,
- 8:17Republican versus Chris Pappas.
- 8:18Uh,
- 8:18you can kind of see all the details there
- 8:20if you want,
- 8:20and of course you can move it around in that menu as well.
- 8:23It's just a fun thing,
- 8:23honestly,
- 8:24it's a fun tool to kind of see how you,
- 8:25uh,
- 8:25want to do,
- 8:26and there are markets,
- 8:27by the way,
- 8:27on.
- 8:29Uh,
- 8:29Calci,
- 8:30Polymarket,
- 8:30all these places
- 8:31to see how many seats go one way or another.
- 8:33So
- 8:34one thing I like to do with this board is to kind of go,
- 8:35all right,
- 8:35let me go best case scenario for Republicans.
- 8:37What can they get up to?
- 8:38By the way,
- 8:38I think I,
- 8:39I was like,
- 8:40I think 53 might be their max.
- 8:42Absolutely everything goes right,
- 8:43they get to 53.
- 8:44And if Democrats,
- 8:46absolutely everything is right,
- 8:47maybe they get to 55.
- 8:49Maybe 54
- 8:50And you can go on these prediction markets and
- 8:52predict the number of seats that will be there,
- 8:54uh,
- 8:54by the end of the election as well.
- 8:55So that's another fun one to do.
- 8:57One of the things I like to do is take,
- 8:58and I usually I'll do this earlier,
- 9:00I don't know how much value is gonna be there right now,
- 9:01but if I figure like the max is 53,
- 9:04I'll go to things,
- 9:05everything above 53 and start putting no positions
- 9:07there and just kind of collect whatever's there.
- 9:09Uh,
- 9:10that's one thing that I like to do,
- 9:11although I have not checked that in a while,
- 9:12so I'm not sure how much value is there.
- 9:14And,
- 9:14and it's funny,
- 9:15there are values in,
- 9:16in weird places,
- 9:17you know,
- 9:17Nebraska is a really interesting one.
- 9:19We were kind of just talking about this.
- 9:21Think about Nebraska for a second.
- 9:22Nebraska is a state
- 9:24which is very,
- 9:25very
- 9:26conservative.
- 9:26It's one of the most red states in the union.
- 9:29You never go to bed on election night,
- 9:32uh,
- 9:32when the presidential race is at hand and think,
- 9:35oh,
- 9:35I don't know which way Nebraska is gonna go.
- 9:37At least it's been that way for a long time.
- 9:39They will occasionally have a Democratic senator,
- 9:42will occasionally have a Democratic
- 9:43governor or something like that in some of these states in that area.
- 9:46But you know,
- 9:47you think of it as a very red state.
- 9:48There are way,
- 9:49way more Republicans in Nebraska
- 9:52than there are Democrats or Independents.
- 9:54It's not even close.
- 9:55And so
- 9:56why would a race there be
- 9:58close?
- 9:59Well,
- 10:00the Democrats are using a strategy here,
- 10:03and they've been using the strategy around the country,
- 10:05and they're using it all over the country.
- 10:07They're,
- 10:08this is the most
- 10:09extensive usage of this strategy.
- 10:12Which is basically
- 10:13what I would,
- 10:14I would call the fake independent strategy.
- 10:17What they do is they take someone who's
- 10:18basically a Democrat in every measurable way,
- 10:21and they run them as an independent
- 10:24instead of a Democrat.
- 10:25The Democrat then most of the time just drops out of the race,
- 10:29and the,
- 10:29the people are left with a Republican versus Independent.
- 10:32The,
- 10:32the goal there is to get all the Democrats,
- 10:34of course,
- 10:34to vote for this person,
- 10:35but then.
- 10:36You know,
- 10:36uh,
- 10:37chip in and get a bunch of independents as well
- 10:41to go
- 10:42for that,
- 10:43uh,
- 10:43particular candidate.
- 10:44If you get the independents and the Democrats together.
- 10:47If you can fool enough people who would normally vote Republican into thinking,
- 10:51well,
- 10:51you know what,
- 10:51I want an independent voice,
- 10:53even though this is basically a Democrat,
- 10:55they wouldn't normally vote for a Democrat,
- 10:57uh,
- 10:57but they might be able to shave off enough people who
- 10:59are kind of disgruntled or unhappy with a particular time.
- 11:02And by the way,
- 11:02that's the,
- 11:03that's the era we're in right now.
- 11:04Everybody's pretty much unhappy,
- 11:05and including a bunch of Republicans with Republicans.
- 11:09So,
- 11:09they're annoyed with their own party,
- 11:11they don't really like their candidate all that much,
- 11:13maybe they're not particularly popular,
- 11:15and they think,
- 11:15well,
- 11:16you know what,
- 11:16maybe this time,
- 11:17I'll go with an independent,
- 11:18I'll send a message.
- 11:19I won't be putting a Democrat in.
- 11:22But that's it,
- 11:22that's basically what you're doing,
- 11:24right?
- 11:24I mean,
- 11:24these people will have one or two issues
- 11:27that kind of are a little bit more towards the Republican side,
- 11:31uh,
- 11:31but this is an issue that,
- 11:32uh,
- 11:33the Democrats are trying and have tried to do this over and over and over again,
- 11:37uh,
- 11:37in recent memory.
- 11:38Now I will say this,
- 11:39I,
- 11:39I'm not sitting here as like a.
- 11:43Uh,
- 11:43holier than thou moralist on this issue.
- 11:46Like if Republicans think that this would work.
- 11:49They should try it too.
- 11:51Frankly,
- 11:51in some of these states.
- 11:52I mean,
- 11:53that,
- 11:53that's probably what they should do politically.
- 11:55I mean,
- 11:55you could take,
- 11:56again,
- 11:56we're talking politics,
- 11:58take out all morals for a second.
- 12:00Uh,
- 12:01but if you take out all morals for a second,
- 12:04fooling the voters is probably a really good idea.
- 12:06If you're in a bright blue state,
- 12:08like if you were in California,
- 12:09and you wanted to try to run someone who
- 12:11is going to be competitive statewide in California,
- 12:14an independent would probably be a more likely victor
- 12:17than a Republican would be in most circumstances.
- 12:20And that is what the Democrats are doing.
- 12:22They tried this back in Utah with Evan McMullin,
- 12:25who,
- 12:25you know,
- 12:26kind of started off as a lukewarm Republican and then
- 12:29over the Trump era sort of turned into a Democrat,
- 12:32um,
- 12:32and was basically,
- 12:34you know,
- 12:35adopted mostly Democratic views,
- 12:37uh,
- 12:37and,
- 12:38uh,
- 12:38they ran him as an independent against Mike Lee.
- 12:40That did not work.
- 12:41Uh,
- 12:41also,
- 12:41Osborne as well ran in 2024 against Deb Fischer.
- 12:45This was a race that,
- 12:46you know,
- 12:46Deb Fischer
- 12:48wasn't an over.
- 12:48Overwhelmingly
- 12:49or a popular Republican,
- 12:51but a Republican in her state gonna win easily against a Democrat.
- 12:54What they did is they said,
- 12:55well,
- 12:55wait a minute,
- 12:56um,
- 12:56actually,
- 12:57uh,
- 12:57Dan Osborne's an independent.
- 12:59Does that sound better?
- 13:01And it did
- 13:02to a lot of people.
- 13:03In fact,
- 13:03Osborne ran within 7 points
- 13:06of Fisher in that election.
- 13:07So
- 13:07it's a very good result for Democrats in Nebraska.
- 13:10Saying the person's independent
- 13:12is enough
- 13:13to kind of fool enough people to make it competitive.
- 13:17The question is whether that is going to be
- 13:19um uh something that will get
- 13:21Osborne over the finish line.
- 13:22The polling there is very close right now.
- 13:25In fact,
- 13:25many polls show Osborne ahead of Ricketts in Nebraska.
- 13:29Now,
- 13:29I'm kind of skeptical that that's gonna last all the way to the finish line.
- 13:32We will see.
- 13:33I did very well with Fisher
- 13:35in Nebraska as that race showed to be very,
- 13:37very close,
- 13:37and then Fisher held on.
- 13:39However,
- 13:392024,
- 13:40a better environment for Republicans
- 13:43than 2026.
- 13:44And the fact that Osborne came within 7 points in 2024
- 13:48indicates that maybe there's a chance for Osborne to actually win in 2026.
- 13:52Now,
- 13:54This is a strategy that you use in a bright red
- 13:56state for Democrats or if Republicans were to do it,
- 13:59it would be in a bright blue state.
- 14:00You run a,
- 14:00you know,
- 14:01independent in Rhode Island,
- 14:02maybe they have a better chance of winning.
- 14:04Why go and continually bang your head against the,
- 14:07the wall
- 14:08to lose by 25 points.
- 14:10Running
- 14:10independent.
- 14:11Maybe people don't realize people aren't super engaged in the election.
- 14:13People don't pay close enough attention.
- 14:15Maybe you get some votes,
- 14:16right?
- 14:17That's the theory here.
- 14:18And
- 14:18this theory is now being expanded
- 14:21really to the entire country.
- 14:23I mean,
- 14:24Democrats are doing this in more states than ever before.
- 14:27Let me give you some examples.
- 14:28We talked about Nebraska.
- 14:29Why are there so many independent Nebraska candidates
- 14:31running for office this year this year?
- 14:33Question mark.
- 14:33I don't know,
- 14:34Nebraska Examiner.
- 14:35What could it possibly be?
- 14:38Well,
- 14:38it's happening all over the state and all over the country.
- 14:41This is how the Nebraska Senate race looks right now.
- 14:45Uh,
- 14:45markets are
- 14:46a little skeptical that
- 14:47they're kind of skeptical like I am.
- 14:49Osborne is competitive in the polls,
- 14:51sometimes leading in the polls,
- 14:52and still only has a 30% chance to win.
- 14:55In,
- 14:56uh,
- 14:56in Nebraska.
- 14:57Uh,
- 14:58so you have that situation going on right now.
- 15:00Osborne is really the only
- 15:02opponent that Ricketts has.
- 15:04Ricketts is a,
- 15:05you know,
- 15:05a candidate that has,
- 15:06uh,
- 15:06been there before.
- 15:07He was,
- 15:07uh,
- 15:08you know,
- 15:08he's well known in the state
- 15:09and has a lot of resources.
- 15:11That's probably the reason why he's a 70% favorite still right now,
- 15:14but the polling would show maybe a 50/50 race,
- 15:16uh,
- 15:16if you just believed the polling.
- 15:19But that is example #1
- 15:21of Democrats doing this fake independent strategy.
- 15:23Example #2,
- 15:24we go to Idaho.
- 15:27Idaho,
- 15:27Jim Risch is the uh senator
- 15:29in Idaho,
- 15:30been there for a long time.
- 15:32Uh,
- 15:32he usually wins his races by 30,
- 15:3440,
- 15:3450 points.
- 15:35Democrats are like,
- 15:36why bang our head against the wall?
- 15:38Let's get Todd Achilles,
- 15:40uh,
- 15:40to run.
- 15:41Democrat David Roth withdrew from the Idaho Senate race,
- 15:44uh,
- 15:44and just leaves independent Todd Achilles there to run against Jim Risch.
- 15:48Now,
- 15:49look,
- 15:49if you think Todd Achilles is gonna be like,
- 15:51I don't know,
- 15:51he could go either way on policy,
- 15:53don't be fooled.
- 15:54This is just a Democrat
- 15:56running in the state of Idaho.
- 15:57And uh yeah,
- 15:58he'll probably emphasize his one or two points
- 16:01that are kind of more aligned with Republicans.
- 16:03That's how this works.
- 16:04That is the strategy.
- 16:06This is what they're doing.
- 16:08And you,
- 16:08you know,
- 16:08look,
- 16:09I am of the belief that
- 16:10If you're doing it within the rules,
- 16:12you should be allowed to do it.
- 16:13I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to do this strategy,
- 16:16uh,
- 16:16but it's up to us as citizens to understand what's going on.
- 16:20If you want to vote for a Democrat,
- 16:21you have options here,
- 16:22right?
- 16:23It's not gonna be David Roth in Idaho.
- 16:25It said it's gonna be Todd Achilles,
- 16:26and you can say,
- 16:27a Democrat,
- 16:27and I wanna vote for that person.
- 16:29But don't be fooled.
- 16:30Understand what's going on.
- 16:31This is what's happening here.
- 16:33Uh,
- 16:34this is the approach for Democratic parties around the country.
- 16:37They don't think they'll be competitive
- 16:39in these states,
- 16:40so they're running independents.
- 16:41In Idaho,
- 16:42this is what that market looks like.
- 16:44Again,
- 16:44I talked about RIS as a potential because there have been occasional.
- 16:48You know,
- 16:49I would argue questionable polls that have showed this race to be very close,
- 16:52even Achilles ahead
- 16:53in some of them.
- 16:55The market does not believe this at all.
- 16:57Uh,
- 16:57as you can see here,
- 16:58Jim Risch with a 92.6% chance of winning,
- 17:01uh,
- 17:01Todd Achilles only an 8% chance of winning.
- 17:04David Roth,
- 17:04despite dropping out,
- 17:06still at 0.4%.
- 17:07And a lot of people are like,
- 17:08oh,
- 17:08can you really guarantee results?
- 17:09I don't know.
- 17:10I mean,
- 17:11the guy's not even in the race.
- 17:12I don't think he's gonna win.
- 17:14So if you want to pick up your 0.4% profit,
- 17:16on top of,
- 17:17by the way,
- 17:17the 3.
- 17:193.25%
- 17:21that they pay you for just having money in the account.
- 17:24Uh,
- 17:25you know,
- 17:25it's a little bit better than your bank account,
- 17:27though I would say you could probably do better than the 0.4% situation.
- 17:30OK,
- 17:30so that's Nebraska and Idaho,
- 17:32and you're like,
- 17:32oh,
- 17:32this is just a couple of states,
- 17:33so this isn't really a strategy.
- 17:34Let me bring you to South Dakota.
- 17:36South Dakota.
- 17:37Democrat X's Senate race clears way for independent.
- 17:40What a surprise.
- 17:42Uh,
- 17:42Julian Beaudoin
- 17:44is out
- 17:45and in is,
- 17:47uh,
- 17:47the,
- 17:48the demo uh the independent candidate.
- 17:50Let's see the market here real quick.
- 17:51Independent candidate is there
- 17:53and that's Brian Banks.
- 17:54Again,
- 17:54it's similar look to what we saw in Idaho,
- 17:5792 to 8 is basically where this breaks down.
- 18:00Again,
- 18:00you've seen some.
- 18:01Some questionable polling.
- 18:02This,
- 18:03by the way,
- 18:03we're getting flooded with really bad polls right now,
- 18:05and it's important
- 18:06to understand like this is one of the things prediction markets do well.
- 18:09People are like,
- 18:09well,
- 18:09they're reacting to these BS polls.
- 18:11Well,
- 18:12there is a reaction to them,
- 18:13and then people get into the market and say,
- 18:15wait a minute,
- 18:15I don't think that's right.
- 18:16And then the markets kind of correct themselves.
- 18:19We saw that with in a couple of these races where
- 18:21a poll comes out,
- 18:22it looks bad for Risch or,
- 18:24or,
- 18:24um,
- 18:25uh,
- 18:25uh,
- 18:26the,
- 18:27uh,
- 18:27South Dakota race as well,
- 18:29where,
- 18:29and it will drop down a little bit and then it'll kind of pop back up.
- 18:32If you can get 10% in one of these states,
- 18:34I think it's a great win,
- 18:36especially in 5 weeks,
- 18:37right?
- 18:37So,
- 18:38uh,
- 18:38that's one of the things we're looking for in that as well.
- 18:39Now,
- 18:40the strategy is being attempted,
- 18:41but there's a little bit of a
- 18:43Uh,
- 18:44um,
- 18:45what is it,
- 18:45a stick in the spokes of your bike,
- 18:47whatever it is,
- 18:48uh,
- 18:49like,
- 18:49uh,
- 18:50a cog,
- 18:51a broken cog
- 18:52in the machine.
- 18:53Uh,
- 18:53I'll never bow down.
- 18:55Montana Democratic
- 18:56Senate nominee refuses to pave way for independent.
- 18:58They wanted to do this strategy there as well.
- 19:00Let's look at that
- 19:01particular,
- 19:02that's Elani
- 19:03Bankhead,
- 19:03I think it is.
- 19:04And yeah,
- 19:04there she is.
- 19:04She's got a 1.4% chance.
- 19:06Uh,
- 19:07Kurt Alney at 91%,
- 19:09Seth Bodnar is the independent,
- 19:109.6%.
- 19:12So you see these three races
- 19:13kind of working out the same way.
- 19:14People don't really believe
- 19:16these candidates are going to win.
- 19:17It's a different case than Nebraska where it does look actually very,
- 19:21very close.
- 19:22And I'll throw in one other.
- 19:24It doesn't exactly fit into the fake independent
- 19:27situation,
- 19:27but it's a similar sort of dynamic working
- 19:30here in Alaska,
- 19:31where we have Sullivan versus Sullivan.
- 19:33It's not a,
- 19:33uh,
- 19:34it's not a law firm,
- 19:35uh,
- 19:35it's not a bad movie from the eighties
- 19:37about divorce.
- 19:38It is instead,
- 19:39Uh,
- 19:39it is instead a,
- 19:41uh,
- 19:41couple of dudes.
- 19:42One of them is the,
- 19:43one of them is the actual senator,
- 19:44and the other one is just a guy with the same name
- 19:47who ran
- 19:48obviously to deflect votes away from the actual Dan Sullivan.
- 19:52Now,
- 19:52he denies this completely,
- 19:53just got interested in politics.
- 19:55It happens to all of us.
- 19:57Uh,
- 19:57but this is what that market looks like.
- 19:58Now,
- 19:58Dan Sullivan has no chance to win that particular race.
- 20:01He's at,
- 20:01uh,
- 20:01he's not even listed
- 20:03as one of the,
- 20:04uh,
- 20:04candidates here.
- 20:05Um,
- 20:06he is on the ballot.
- 20:07The way this
- 20:08system works,
- 20:09if I can,
- 20:09uh,
- 20:09yeah,
- 20:09you can go down and scroll down.
- 20:10You'll find him here eventually.
- 20:12There he is.
- 20:12Daniel J.
- 20:13Sullivan,
- 20:13you can buy shares at 1%.
- 20:15Um,
- 20:16the other one,
- 20:17go scroll down.
- 20:17I,
- 20:18I don't remember who it is.
- 20:19It might be Ann Diener.
- 20:21There's 4 candidates.
- 20:22I don't remember
- 20:23who the fourth one was.
- 20:24I don't think it's Sid Hill.
- 20:26Maybe it's Richard Grayson,
- 20:27I don't remember.
- 20:28There's 4 candidates that make it to this round.
- 20:29Their system is this ranked choice voting system.
- 20:324,
- 20:32the top 4 vote getters from the first round
- 20:35go onto the ballot.
- 20:36And then they,
- 20:37if whoever had,
- 20:38uh,
- 20:39you know,
- 20:39like if you have the 4th place candidate as your top choice,
- 20:42um,
- 20:42when you realize you're in last place,
- 20:44your votes get taken away from,
- 20:45uh,
- 20:46your top choice,
- 20:47go to your next choice,
- 20:48which would be one of these other candidates.
- 20:50Now
- 20:51it may wind up being that whatever votes go to Dan Sullivan,
- 20:55uh,
- 20:55the,
- 20:55the theory here is that
- 20:57some of the votes that they're meant for the senator
- 21:00will go to the other Dan Sullivan.
- 21:02Uh,
- 21:02and they'll call this,
- 21:03uh,
- 21:03you know,
- 21:04sometimes a ghost candidate or,
- 21:06um,
- 21:06uh,
- 21:06a zombie candidate.
- 21:08And they will go there and that will help the top of the ticket,
- 21:11which would be Mary Peltola in this particular,
- 21:14uh,
- 21:14instance.
- 21:15With ranked choice voting,
- 21:16it's a little more complicated.
- 21:17I mean,
- 21:17I would think if people were fooled they'd go from one Dan Sullivan,
- 21:20they just picked the wrong one,
- 21:21and it would go to the other Dan Sullivan when,
- 21:23when the ranked choice voting plays out.
- 21:25But they're hoping Peltola can get above 50%
- 21:27or at least very close to it before that happens.
- 21:30We will see if the strategy works,
- 21:31uh,
- 21:32for these,
- 21:32uh,
- 21:33independents and fake candidates.
- 21:35I,
- 21:36I tend to,
- 21:37to be a believer in the American people
- 21:39on these things.
- 21:40I tend to be a believer that they're
- 21:42gonna suss these things out eventually and recognize
- 21:45what's going on.
- 21:47Um,
- 21:47look,
- 21:48a Republican does not have a right to any Senate seat.
- 21:51If you suck as a Republican candidate,
- 21:53you're gonna get beaten,
- 21:54whether,
- 21:54you know,
- 21:55you're really red,
- 21:56uh,
- 21:56state or not.
- 21:57Uh,
- 21:57you have no,
- 21:58it's not your seat,
- 21:59you don't own it.
- 22:00You have to do enough to get people across the finish line to vote for you.
- 22:04But those people should be aware of what they're voting for.
- 22:07And if they're not gonna vote for you
- 22:08as a Republican candidate and they're a Republican,
- 22:10they shouldn't be fooling themselves into believing,
- 22:12well,
- 22:12I'm getting an independent voice here.
- 22:14What they should understand is that these are
- 22:16Democratic candidates running under the independent banner.
- 22:19And you know,
- 22:19look,
- 22:20they're gonna deny that
- 22:21all day long.
- 22:22I get it.
- 22:23It wouldn't be effective if you didn't deny it,
- 22:25but that is the way this works.
- 22:26That is what the truth is in a lot of these circumstances.
- 22:29And,
- 22:30uh,
- 22:30you know,
- 22:30even some of them,
- 22:31oh gosh,
- 22:31I swear I'm gonna be,
- 22:33uh,
- 22:33I'm not even gonna caucus with the Democrats.
- 22:35I won't be doing that.
- 22:37Sure,
- 22:37sure,
- 22:38let's,
- 22:38let's see how that works out when they're in office.
- 22:40They might not caucus with the Democrats,
- 22:42but watch what their voting patterns are.
- 22:44You tell me if they're
- 22:45fair and balanced across the aisle.
- 22:46That's not gonna happen.
- 22:47It's not gonna happen.
- 22:48So,
- 22:49anyway,
- 22:49know who you're voting for,
- 22:51uh,
- 22:51understand who these people are and understand the strategy that's in play.
- 22:54If,
- 22:54if,
- 22:55if it was one of these cases,
- 22:56maybe you could be fooled,
- 22:57right?
- 22:58The fact that they're doing this in 4 and more,
- 23:00uh,
- 23:01states across the country,
- 23:02it's just a strategy that they're trying out.
- 23:04They're giving it a whirl.
- 23:05It's a new,
- 23:07a new way of playing offense.
- 23:09Um,
- 23:09and so it's up to you to understand
- 23:11who these people are and how this is working.
- 23:14Um,
- 23:14I'm gonna take a break.
- 23:15I'm gonna come back on the other side with a prediction market.
- 23:17Like maybe you're in a state and you're saying,
- 23:18hey,
- 23:18I would love to get involved in these prediction markets too.
- 23:20Uh,
- 23:20I've,
- 23:21I've got all this incredible knowledge about these,
- 23:23uh,
- 23:23elections,
- 23:24and I would like to put it to the test.
- 23:25However,
- 23:25I can't because my stupid state
- 23:27just banned it.
- 23:29Well,
- 23:29I wanna talk to a legal expert who understands all these rulings,
- 23:32how they're working,
- 23:33and how they're kind of
- 23:34working together to see what the landscape is gonna look like.
- 23:38As we go forward,
- 23:39I'm gonna talk to him coming up next.
- 23:58You know,
- 23:58pretty much every single day,
- 24:00uh,
- 24:00I'm on the internet,
- 24:01I'm,
- 24:01I'm reading news sources and going through social media and there's probably
- 24:0510 different legal rulings
- 24:07about prediction markets and half of them disagree with the other half.
- 24:10I have no idea what's going on.
- 24:12I don't think it's possible for any one human
- 24:14being to have any idea what is actually going on
- 24:17in the prediction market world in this realm,
- 24:19honestly,
- 24:19at this point.
- 24:20Luckily,
- 24:20however,
- 24:21we have Mick Bransfield.
- 24:23Uh,
- 24:23he's the founder of Kingston Chase Consulting and he is the only human
- 24:26being on Earth who actually can keep track of all of this stuff,
- 24:29and he joins me now.
- 24:30Mick,
- 24:30uh,
- 24:30thanks so much for coming on the program.
- 24:32Oh,
- 24:32thanks for having me,
- 24:33Stu.
- 24:34I appreciate it.
- 24:34Uh,
- 24:34you followed this stuff so closely and I,
- 24:36I guess it's an impossible question to ask,
- 24:38I think at this point,
- 24:39which is
- 24:41what's going on right now?
- 24:42What are the state of affairs with prediction markets,
- 24:45uh,
- 24:45in states and federally?
- 24:47What,
- 24:48what is,
- 24:48what's the,
- 24:49what's the,
- 24:50I don't even know,
- 24:50I don't even know how to ask this question because it seems like every time I turn on
- 24:54the news,
- 24:54there's 5 different rulings that disagree with each other.
- 24:58I,
- 24:58I would say the technical term is it's a mess.
- 25:02So we,
- 25:02so we have,
- 25:04uh,
- 25:04I think 195 different court dockets with different cases at the,
- 25:10you know,
- 25:10federal district,
- 25:11the federal appellate,
- 25:12and the state court level,
- 25:13all over the country,
- 25:15courts are
- 25:16handling this issue on their own,
- 25:19uh,
- 25:19with very little guidance from Congress,
- 25:22and so we're
- 25:24Seeing a lot of bad court decisions,
- 25:26I would,
- 25:26I would say,
- 25:27and we're seeing a lot of conflicting court decisions.
- 25:30It's,
- 25:31there are two main issues going on.
- 25:33The first is,
- 25:35Uh,
- 25:35you know,
- 25:36federal commodities law is coming into conflict with state gaming law,
- 25:39and how do we reconcile the two.
- 25:42The second is,
- 25:43you know,
- 25:43the CFTC has exclusive authority over commodities,
- 25:48but
- 25:49tribe,
- 25:49tribal reservations also have exclusive authority
- 25:52over gaming on their reservations.
- 25:54How do we reconcile those two exclusive
- 25:57authorities that are now coming into conflict?
- 25:59Yeah,
- 26:00that's a you hit on a really interesting part of this,
- 26:02I think,
- 26:02because I see this often.
- 26:04Uh,
- 26:05it,
- 26:05it seems to be there's,
- 26:06there are groups who are lined up making big statements,
- 26:09writing op-eds all across the country,
- 26:11uh,
- 26:11typically against prediction markets,
- 26:14and,
- 26:14uh,
- 26:14you know,
- 26:15the,
- 26:16you know,
- 26:16it's just my opinion,
- 26:17my suspicions here,
- 26:18Mick,
- 26:19uh,
- 26:19but it seems like a lot of them are coming
- 26:21from.
- 26:22Essentially what is viewed as the competition,
- 26:24right?
- 26:24Like the,
- 26:25the gaming institutions that want to try to shut down prediction markets
- 26:29because they see this as cutting into whatever business they have.
- 26:32Is this a,
- 26:33is there a real movement against these things or is,
- 26:35or is this funded from those types of sources?
- 26:38Um,
- 26:38uh,
- 26:39the,
- 26:39most of the op-eds and letters of the editor and
- 26:43posts you see are coming from the American Gaming Association
- 26:47through one of their various public affairs firm.
- 26:49I,
- 26:49I can confirm that.
- 26:51But there are,
- 26:51there are some people who have,
- 26:53you know,
- 26:54moral objections to prediction markets,
- 26:56uh,
- 26:57particularly if they think it's gambling,
- 26:59and then you have others who
- 27:02I,
- 27:02I think their problem with prediction markets
- 27:03come from Donald Trump Junior's involvement.
- 27:06Uh,
- 27:07we're
- 27:08hunted,
- 27:08were Hunter Biden an investor or board member,
- 27:11they would be content with that.
- 27:12But the fact that it's a Trump family member,
- 27:15uh,
- 27:15just kind of sulllies prediction markets in their eyes.
- 27:18Yeah,
- 27:18no,
- 27:18that,
- 27:18that
- 27:19both of those track,
- 27:20I think,
- 27:20really,
- 27:21really well.
- 27:22Um,
- 27:23you know,
- 27:23I,
- 27:23I talked to Michael Selig from the CFTC,
- 27:26uh,
- 27:26we discussed this at length,
- 27:27and I,
- 27:27I tend to agree with his,
- 27:29uh,
- 27:29take on this.
- 27:30Which these are,
- 27:32these are events contracts and we have a lot of different things in our country.
- 27:35Like there's
- 27:36layers upon layers upon layers of regulation in all sorts of different
- 27:40industries and often we look at these things and we say,
- 27:42oh gosh,
- 27:42well,
- 27:42this seems like a similar activity as this.
- 27:44Why,
- 27:45why isn't this overseen by the same agency?
- 27:48Well,
- 27:48look,
- 27:48I wasn't the one that designed the system,
- 27:50OK?
- 27:51Congress did.
- 27:52And,
- 27:52uh,
- 27:53you know,
- 27:53the way this is set up is that event
- 27:55events contracts like this are overseen by the CFTC.
- 27:59Is that how you see it?
- 28:00And is that how the courts are seeing it so far?
- 28:04That is how I see it.
- 28:05That is how commodity lawyers see it.
- 28:08However,
- 28:08gaming lawyers see it the exact opposite way,
- 28:10and that's kind of what's personally fascinating to me is
- 28:14these two
- 28:16sets of lawyers from different fields,
- 28:17gaming and commodities,
- 28:19are both
- 28:20100% certain their interpretation is correct,
- 28:24and they're completely at odds with each other.
- 28:26The courts are generally seeing it as gaming.
- 28:31Uh,
- 28:31part of that is
- 28:33this looks like a duck,
- 28:34walks like a duck,
- 28:35quacks like a duck issue.
- 28:37Um,
- 28:38uh,
- 28:39judges are seeing the marketing,
- 28:41you know,
- 28:42Calcian Polymarkets
- 28:43ads are coming up in the oral arguments and in the circuit court opinions,
- 28:48and the judges are clearly having trouble
- 28:52getting around the fact that they're advertising themselves as betting,
- 28:56but are legally not gambling.
- 28:59Yeah,
- 28:59and,
- 28:59and look,
- 28:59you know,
- 29:00I think there are legitimate questions to ask,
- 29:02ask about some of that,
- 29:03uh,
- 29:04some of that marketing,
- 29:04but I was,
- 29:05I was,
- 29:05I was talking to somebody about this the other day because they're like,
- 29:07uh,
- 29:07you know,
- 29:07you know,
- 29:08uh,
- 29:08why shouldn't this be seen overseen by,
- 29:10uh,
- 29:11you know,
- 29:11the,
- 29:11uh,
- 29:12the,
- 29:12the state gambling,
- 29:13um,
- 29:13uh,
- 29:14laws,
- 29:15and like I understand that because I think a lot of
- 29:17it does sort of boil down to what you said.
- 29:20If it looks like a duck and it,
- 29:21uh,
- 29:22quacks like a duck,
- 29:22it's a duck.
- 29:23Now,
- 29:23like,
- 29:24what I use,
- 29:25uh,
- 29:25prediction markets for is mostly related to politics
- 29:28and things like that that aren't really,
- 29:29you know,
- 29:30like,
- 29:30I understand a lot of people do love and I,
- 29:32and I love the sports stuff too,
- 29:33um,
- 29:34but generally speaking,
- 29:35that's more of my interest.
- 29:36But like,
- 29:37you know,
- 29:37we,
- 29:38we,
- 29:38I said that it's like if you were,
- 29:40let me know if I'm thinking about this the right way,
- 29:41Mick.
- 29:42If I were to say to you,
- 29:43go watch a movie right now,
- 29:44you could go to a movie theater,
- 29:46right?
- 29:46And you can and you can buy a ticket there.
- 29:48You could go on a streaming service and watch a movie there.
- 29:50You could go to your turn on your local
- 29:52television channel and maybe there's a movie running,
- 29:53right?
- 29:54All three of those are kind of like,
- 29:56well,
- 29:56they're kind of the same activity,
- 29:57right?
- 29:58However,
- 29:59they're all,
- 29:59they,
- 30:00they're all funded different ways,
- 30:01right?
- 30:02Some are commercial,
- 30:02some are subscriptions,
- 30:03some are ticket sales.
- 30:04They're overseen by different authorities in our country,
- 30:07uh,
- 30:07you know,
- 30:07the,
- 30:08the FCC does not oversee what's going on a streaming service at all.
- 30:11There are totally,
- 30:12this is super common in our country that things
- 30:15that are seem similar are overseen by different agencies.
- 30:19And like,
- 30:20I,
- 30:20I,
- 30:20while I can see on a,
- 30:22on a,
- 30:22on an op ed or a,
- 30:24a basic,
- 30:25uh,
- 30:25you know,
- 30:25argument with your friends,
- 30:26how that might be a winning position,
- 30:29when it comes down to the law,
- 30:30it seems like there there's very clear precedent for these to,
- 30:34to be overseen by different authorities.
- 30:38The judges can't
- 30:39get beyond the fact that it looks like gambling,
- 30:42and there,
- 30:42that's also,
- 30:43you,
- 30:44you can see where they're clearly starting out,
- 30:46this looks like gambling,
- 30:47this must be gambling.
- 30:48Now how do we backfill kind of this legal rationale.
- 30:53Determining that it's gambling,
- 30:54and that's where
- 30:56they're having trouble.
- 30:57In the 9th Circuit,
- 30:58you had
- 30:59conflicting logic,
- 31:01uh,
- 31:02where,
- 31:02you know,
- 31:02different parts of the decision didn't reconcile with each other,
- 31:06and how they,
- 31:07you know,
- 31:08interpreted sports contracts as a swap.
- 31:10In the 6th Circuit
- 31:12opinion that came out last week,
- 31:14um,
- 31:15they came up with this commonly understood standard.
- 31:20Uh,
- 31:20you know,
- 31:20a,
- 31:21a,
- 31:21you know,
- 31:21a sports,
- 31:22you know,
- 31:22like a event contract can only be a hedge
- 31:24if it's commonly understood to be used for hedging.
- 31:27Now,
- 31:27what does that mean?
- 31:29Um,
- 31:29it's,
- 31:30it's just this meaningless words that the judges
- 31:33are using to rationalize the fact that it,
- 31:35you know,
- 31:36this looks like a duck.
- 31:37Yeah,
- 31:38uh,
- 31:38uh,
- 31:38it's a,
- 31:38it's a fascinating time because I,
- 31:40I mean,
- 31:40look,
- 31:40it's,
- 31:41it's new,
- 31:41and,
- 31:41and you understand that there'd be these disagreements,
- 31:43but I,
- 31:43I look at like,
- 31:44you know,
- 31:44there's Calci,
- 31:45for example,
- 31:46has an entire section
- 31:47for company KPIs,
- 31:49key performance indicators,
- 31:50and it's stuff like,
- 31:51you know,
- 31:52how many iPhones will be sold,
- 31:53uh,
- 31:54this year.
- 31:55There's so much activity on these things that have
- 31:57not nothing that even looks close to gambling,
- 31:59and if you wanna call that type of stuff gambling.
- 32:02You have to go and call the stock market gambling,
- 32:05and we can like,
- 32:06you know,
- 32:06we're talking among friends and say,
- 32:08gosh,
- 32:08the stock market's a casino.
- 32:09It's a very common phrase.
- 32:12Quite clearly,
- 32:12that's not how we think about that.
- 32:14That is an investment.
- 32:15And,
- 32:16you know,
- 32:16it,
- 32:16it is a,
- 32:17it's a bizarre thing that
- 32:18we can't get in courts
- 32:21beyond these like surface-level,
- 32:24almost like tweet length arguments,
- 32:27uh,
- 32:27that are just pretty kind of basic,
- 32:29right?
- 32:29Like I feel like we should be thinking a little deeper about this.
- 32:33Yes,
- 32:33and if it's,
- 32:34you know,
- 32:34if it
- 32:35Looks like sports gambling,
- 32:36cause it's a sports contract,
- 32:38then our election contracts banned as well,
- 32:40or weather derivatives outlawed because you're
- 32:43gambling on the weather,
- 32:44and
- 32:45that's where the courts are also struggling,
- 32:47is how do they draw the line.
- 32:48So these
- 32:49bad event contracts are outlawed,
- 32:51but these good event contracts are still allowed.
- 32:54And there,
- 32:55so far,
- 32:56no judge has come up with any kind of coherent
- 33:00reasoning.
- 33:01It's amazing.
- 33:02Now,
- 33:02look,
- 33:03there is an alternate world here,
- 33:04Mick,
- 33:04where Congress could actually just do its job,
- 33:06uh,
- 33:07and they could,
- 33:08I know it's a crazy world.
- 33:11I,
- 33:11I will,
- 33:11I will,
- 33:11I will take the no position on that market.
- 33:15Yes,
- 33:15and you will,
- 33:16you will,
- 33:16you will not get a good price unfortunately on that one.
- 33:19there is something out there called the Prediction Market Act of 2026.
- 33:22Uh,
- 33:23Senator McCormick has worked on that one.
- 33:24It's,
- 33:24uh,
- 33:25it's,
- 33:25it's,
- 33:25you know,
- 33:26goes a long way to try to,
- 33:28to clarify a lot of these things,
- 33:29but like,
- 33:30assuming,
- 33:31which I always do,
- 33:32that,
- 33:33that the Congress will not actually do its job,
- 33:36uh,
- 33:36where does this end up?
- 33:37Does this go?
- 33:38Are we just looking,
- 33:38is everyone kind of playing this game and
- 33:40eventually we're gonna hear from the Supreme Court?
- 33:44Everyone seems to be waiting for the Supreme Court to decide this for America.
- 33:50Um,
- 33:50I'm not optimistic it's gonna happen anytime soon,
- 33:53so none of these,
- 33:54you know,
- 33:55the recent 3 circuit court decisions,
- 33:57the 3rd,
- 33:58the 6th,
- 33:58and the 9th,
- 33:59were actually over
- 34:01the actual case and how it was decided.
- 34:04They were all over
- 34:05the issue of how a preliminary injunction was decided or not decided.
- 34:10So where it's very,
- 34:11it's typically unlikely that the Supreme Court.
- 34:15Takes court,
- 34:16you know,
- 34:17takes cases before they've been resolved,
- 34:19and we're talking about,
- 34:21you know,
- 34:21a
- 34:22base rate in the low single digits,
- 34:24and not
- 34:25single digit,
- 34:26but like,
- 34:27you know,
- 34:27123 cases a year,
- 34:29sometimes 0.
- 34:31And even if they did take up the case soon,
- 34:34these are all state preemption issues.
- 34:36It wouldn't resolve,
- 34:38uh,
- 34:39the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act issues,
- 34:41which means the Supreme Court would then have to take it up a second time.
- 34:45And I'm,
- 34:47I,
- 34:48smarter people than me,
- 34:49uh,
- 34:50disagree,
- 34:50but I'm of the mindset that the Supreme Court's
- 34:53not gonna want to deal with this twice.
- 34:55They're gonna
- 34:55most likely wait for
- 34:57some combination of appeals that kind of wrap up
- 35:01the entire issue and kind of wipe the slate clean
- 35:04in terms of prediction markets.
- 35:06Hm,
- 35:06it's gonna be a fascinating,
- 35:07uh,
- 35:08yeah,
- 35:08I,
- 35:09I think we have another 2 or 3 years of this.
- 35:11Uh,
- 35:12of this mess going forward,
- 35:14um,
- 35:14and so,
- 35:15you know,
- 35:15we in theory,
- 35:16in theory see all these things wind through the courts and eventually,
- 35:19uh,
- 35:20get a final ruling,
- 35:21then it goes to the Supreme Court
- 35:22if we don't get legislation that might clarify some of these things.
- 35:26Um,
- 35:26Mick,
- 35:26the question,
- 35:27uh,
- 35:27before you go that I get maybe most often from a
- 35:30lot of people around the country who are interested in this,
- 35:32who,
- 35:32you know,
- 35:33are kind of like,
- 35:33hey,
- 35:33I,
- 35:34I've got this knowledge about elections and I wanna,
- 35:36you know,
- 35:36I wanna put it to the test on these prediction markets.
- 35:38Um,
- 35:39they,
- 35:40uh,
- 35:40but they're in states where these rulings have gone against them,
- 35:43and,
- 35:43uh,
- 35:43you know,
- 35:43there's a few of those states around where these prediction markets are
- 35:47currently,
- 35:48uh,
- 35:48seemingly banned.
- 35:50Um,
- 35:50those
- 35:51are those,
- 35:52you know,
- 35:52those state level bans holding up?
- 35:55Uh,
- 35:56how should people who live in these states look at,
- 35:58you know,
- 35:58whether they can access these or not?
- 36:00Are there options for people who want to access them in these states?
- 36:03Uh,
- 36:04what are we looking at?
- 36:06So right now,
- 36:07there are essentially 3 state level bands,
- 36:11uh,
- 36:11Michigan,
- 36:11Washington State,
- 36:12Nevada,
- 36:13that will certainly expand.
- 36:15Uh,
- 36:16most likely to Oregon and Arizona coming soon,
- 36:19as well as Ohio,
- 36:20Kentucky,
- 36:20Tennessee with the recent 6th Circuit decision.
- 36:24Uh,
- 36:24they're also
- 36:27Not targeting all prediction markets equally,
- 36:30so like in Michigan,
- 36:31Calci may be banned,
- 36:33but maybe
- 36:34uh
- 36:35there there is
- 36:36likely other exchanges you can trade on.
- 36:40So I would
- 36:41both keep an eye on what state you're in,
- 36:43what circuit court you're under,
- 36:45and the variety of uh the different regulated.
- 36:51Uh,
- 36:51designated contract markets operating.
- 36:55Um,
- 36:55at that time in your state,
- 36:57uh,
- 36:57someone mentioned too that because of the way
- 36:59Predicted is set up,
- 37:01which is,
- 37:01uh,
- 37:01you know,
- 37:02I was on for years and years and years before Calcium polymarket kind of came up,
- 37:05they're under like an academic letter of,
- 37:08of,
- 37:08uh,
- 37:08uh,
- 37:09allowing them to essentially to do business.
- 37:11I is that treated differently in these states,
- 37:13or are they
- 37:14generally speaking,
- 37:15the ones that aren't naming specific markets are all of the markets wiped out?
- 37:20So far no state has gone after predicted or the Iowa Electronic markets,
- 37:24which both operate under a no action letter from the CFTC,
- 37:28um,
- 37:29I'm
- 37:31I,
- 37:31I've been curious as to why
- 37:34states
- 37:35are going after Calci and Polymarket
- 37:38and Coinbase,
- 37:39but not
- 37:39those two academic-based markets.
- 37:42I assume it's just a matter of volume,
- 37:44and it's not cutting into,
- 37:46you know,
- 37:46the,
- 37:46the legal sports,
- 37:48you know,
- 37:48the legal online sports books in their states.
- 37:51Hm,
- 37:51uh,
- 37:51well,
- 37:52you know,
- 37:52of course,
- 37:53check your local listings,
- 37:54but that might be a way for people to uh
- 37:56To deal,
- 37:56uh,
- 37:57to deal with that.
- 37:57I don't wanna get anyone in trouble,
- 37:58of course,
- 37:59uh,
- 37:59but people wanna get on these markets and they wanna,
- 38:01they wanna,
- 38:01they wanna participate and,
- 38:03uh,
- 38:04you know,
- 38:04hopefully this isn't gonna be a,
- 38:05a super widespread,
- 38:06but it does seem like for a while we're gonna be dealing with this uncertainty.
- 38:09Uh,
- 38:10luckily you can sort through a lot of that,
- 38:11uh,
- 38:11at,
- 38:12uh,
- 38:12with Mick's,
- 38:13uh,
- 38:13I know your Twitter feed is great,
- 38:14by the way,
- 38:14Mick,
- 38:15uh,
- 38:15cause I,
- 38:16I learned about
- 38:16tons of stuff here all the time,
- 38:19uh,
- 38:19from you and your coverage of this.
- 38:20It's,
- 38:21uh,
- 38:21Mick Brand.
- 38:21Field.com.
- 38:22Kingston Chase Consulting as well
- 38:24and to follow him on,
- 38:25uh,
- 38:25Twitter as well or X I suppose it's supposed to be called
- 38:28at Mick Bransfield.
- 38:29Get,
- 38:30keep up to date on this stuff so we know,
- 38:32uh,
- 38:32you know,
- 38:33I mean,
- 38:33look,
- 38:33I don't,
- 38:34I don't know.
- 38:34I don't I mean,
- 38:34I guess I don't have a job or a company if all these things are,
- 38:36are,
- 38:37are illegal.
- 38:37So,
- 38:38uh,
- 38:38um,
- 38:38we're rooting for at least.
- 38:39On my side of the camera,
- 38:40I'm rooting for him.
- 38:42Mick,
- 38:43thanks so much for following all this and doing all this hard work.
- 38:45We appreciate everything you've done and I would love to talk to you again soon.
- 38:48Oh,
- 38:48definitely,
- 38:49this was fun.
- 38:49Thanks too.
- 39:03It's time for candidate countdown.
- 39:04We feature one race and a prediction market pick that I have,
- 39:07a position that I have.
- 39:09Stu's picks,
- 39:09by the way,
- 39:10all 350 of them or something
- 39:12are up on predictableShow.com if you wanna check them out for premium,
- 39:16uh,
- 39:16subscribers only.
- 39:17Uh,
- 39:18but they're all up there,
- 39:19and we try to feature one here every day on a,
- 39:21a race that we're talking about.
- 39:23And as we've done this,
- 39:23we've realized something very,
- 39:26very
- 39:26serious and ominous about this particular
- 39:29segment.
- 39:29It's the
- 39:30candidate countdown curse.
- 39:46Yes,
- 39:46the curse of candidate countdown,
- 39:48and we've decided now to try to use our,
- 39:50our powers here to curse whatever candidate I feature,
- 39:54uh,
- 39:54strategically.
- 39:55So today's candidate countdown with only 36 days left until the midterm election,
- 39:59congratulations to Jon Ossoff,
- 40:02yes,
- 40:02of Georgia.
- 40:03He's a
- 40:05Democrat,
- 40:05uh,
- 40:0636 days left until,
- 40:08uh,
- 40:08this particular,
- 40:09uh,
- 40:10election goes down.
- 40:10Now I,
- 40:11uh,
- 40:12I wanna show you the polling,
- 40:13uh,
- 40:13here on this particular race.
- 40:15This is what it looks like.
- 40:16Uh,
- 40:16right now,
- 40:17as we,
- 40:18uh,
- 40:18get closer and closer,
- 40:20uh,
- 40:20to this election,
- 40:21you see,
- 40:22uh,
- 40:22every poll is basically pointed toward Ossoff.
- 40:25He is
- 40:26one of these guys who has had a lead for a while
- 40:28and,
- 40:29um,
- 40:30he seems to be in a really good position,
- 40:34uh,
- 40:34overall.
- 40:35He seems to be a guy who has,
- 40:37um,
- 40:39A lead of UC 8
- 40:41and 10
- 40:43and all sorts of,
- 40:44uh,
- 40:44you know,
- 40:45stuff like that.
- 40:45Like these are like,
- 40:46it's not even really particularly close.
- 40:47The closest one you're gonna get is a 49-45 Ossoff over
- 40:51Collins.
- 40:51And look,
- 40:52it's a difficult year and he's relatively
- 40:54popular in the state.
- 40:56Um,
- 40:56and
- 40:58I,
- 40:58uh,
- 41:00You kind of wonder,
- 41:01honestly,
- 41:01if this is gonna be a particularly close race,
- 41:03even though you think Georgia should be.
- 41:05Now,
- 41:05Georgia,
- 41:05of course,
- 41:06uh,
- 41:06give me kind of the ups and downs of this as I forgot to print this out.
- 41:09I'm gonna read it off my phone,
- 41:10my notes.
- 41:11Um,
- 41:11his,
- 41:12uh,
- 41:12as far as Ossoff,
- 41:13the points,
- 41:13why do we think he's a good investment.
- 41:15Again,
- 41:15it's not a massive investment in profits on this one.
- 41:18Um,
- 41:19it's not as close as you'd think it would be in Georgia.
- 41:21Uh,
- 41:22but his personal favorability is very,
- 41:23very positive.
- 41:24Uh,
- 41:25it's about 20.
- 41:26Uh,
- 41:27Collins on the same measure is about -3,
- 41:29so you have a nice lead for Ossoff there,
- 41:31even in Georgia.
- 41:33Um,
- 41:34it is,
- 41:34uh,
- 41:35you've got,
- 41:35uh,
- 41:3735% of Republicans
- 41:39in that poll approving of Ossoff's performance,
- 41:42which is very,
- 41:42very high.
- 41:43You don't normally see that.
- 41:44Um,
- 41:45Ossoff won in a close election
- 41:47back in,
- 41:48was it 2021,
- 41:50right after January 6th,
- 41:51but that was a real mess,
- 41:53uh,
- 41:53you know,
- 41:53honestly,
- 41:54it's why we're,
- 41:55I was so passionate.
- 41:56I was like,
- 41:56why we can't
- 41:57let this one
- 41:58go as a conservative,
- 41:59you really couldn't lose those races.
- 42:01It was really,
- 42:02really a bad one.
- 42:03Um,
- 42:03he is also one of the leaders in the 2028 discussion,
- 42:06and you'll be surprised to hear,
- 42:09uh,
- 42:09let's see if there's anything,
- 42:10any other stats I wanna bring you here.
- 42:11Oh,
- 42:11yeah,
- 42:11the fundraising is important to hit as well.
- 42:13Uh,
- 42:1442.6 million cash on hand,
- 42:16uh,
- 42:16at the end of the summer
- 42:17compared to 2.1 million for Collins.
- 42:20This guy's a fundraising machine.
- 42:22He is a Democratic priority to protect,
- 42:24and that's where we are.
- 42:25And you should know this as well,
- 42:26he is the Senate's top spender
- 42:28on hair and makeup.
- 42:30Yes,
- 42:30that
- 42:31he is number one.
- 42:32He,
- 42:32he's even outpacing the women.
- 42:35Congratulations.
- 42:36The only people outspending him,
- 42:37by the way,
- 42:37seem to be in the squad in the house.
- 42:39So in the Senate,
- 42:40he's on a tier of his own,
- 42:41uh,
- 42:41but the House is,
- 42:42uh,
- 42:42very,
- 42:43very positive.
- 42:43And then,
- 42:44uh,
- 42:44let me give you this as well.
- 42:45Uh,
- 42:45Georgia Senate winner,
- 42:46this is the view,
- 42:47um,
- 42:48market view right now,
- 42:49what it looks like.
- 42:50He's way ahead.
- 42:51Oh my gosh,
- 42:5196.9% now.
- 42:54Wow.
- 42:55I mean,
- 42:55I was buying this in the 80s,
- 42:58high 80s and the low 90s.
- 43:01Look,
- 43:02there's not a lot of value left here.
- 43:03Um,
- 43:04we'll probably dig into the margin markets at a later time to get,
- 43:06to find some value on that because I do think he's gonna win by more than,
- 43:09let's say 5 points.
- 43:11Uh,
- 43:11I think he's gonna be probably high single digits,
- 43:12low,
- 43:13maybe even double digits.
- 43:14Um,
- 43:15and he is now in the presidential Democratic nominee,
- 43:17uh,
- 43:17race,
- 43:18doing very,
- 43:18very well as well.
- 43:19As you see here,
- 43:20he is actually number 1,
- 43:21which is incredible.
- 43:22And the path here is simple.
- 43:24A big blowout win in Georgia
- 43:25makes him look a lot better than someone,
- 43:27you know,
- 43:27winning in a purplish red state.
- 43:30Uh,
- 43:30you're gonna look a lot better than AOC or Gavin Newsom.
- 43:33So that's where we are.
- 43:33Candidate of the day,
- 43:34the cursed candidate,
- 43:36Jon
- 43:37Ossoff.
- 43:37Back in a second.
- 43:48Before I go,
- 43:48we have so much great information.
- 43:49If you're interested in
- 43:51in prediction markets at predictable101.com,
- 43:53that'll get you started.
- 43:55PredictableShow.com is a great place to go if you are in
- 43:57these markets or you just want the best election information.
- 44:01Nothing boils these things down better than prediction markets,
- 44:03and they're available now at predictableshow.com and predictable101.com.
- 44:09So much more for you this week.
- 44:10We've got a great
- 44:11lineup of shows.
- 44:12We'll get to,
- 44:12uh,
- 44:13more
- 44:13in the coming days.
- 44:14Thanks so much for joining us and we'll see you at predictableshow.com.