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Episode 1: Joel & Sina on Medical Liberty Part ONE · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Beyond Labels.
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  SPEAKER_00: And here's your hosts, everyone's favorite farmer Joel Salatin and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_00: The information provided is for educational purposes only.
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  SPEAKER_00: Consult with your healthcare provider before making any changes to your diet, medications, or lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today it's Joel and I bantering.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Joel, even though we've recorded episodes before, I consider this our actual first official podcast because, you know, because now we have a direction.
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  SPEAKER_02: We, you know, we know where we want to go.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's just you and I bantering with nobody else in the picture.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm excited that we are launching this podcast and with a topic that's controversial, kind of maybe outside of comfort zones a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um I want to say what prompted this podcast today is because my husband received an email from his employer that there was going to be a mandate.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, Joel, let's use a code word because videos are being scanned and subsequently banned for using certain content.
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  SPEAKER_02: So instead of saying V-I-C-C-I-N-E, let's come up with a different word.
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  SPEAKER_02: What kind of word, what word do you want to use?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I kind of like the idea of uh pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh pharma solution is actually what this is more than anything else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, it was the research was all turned over to uh the pharmaceutical companies, and um and so they came up with a solution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's not only their solution solution, but it's also a solution, like in a in a needle, you know, and so um so that's actually a a solution substance.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh so we'll we'll just call it the pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and and anybody who's aware of today's um you know uh cultural climate, yeah, are are receiving these letters uh all over the place.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all over the news, and and it's a you know, it's a it's a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, to have to to have to make the decision to take the pharma solution or terminate your employment and now now you terminate your health care for your children, uh you term you know, it it it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a cataclysmic uh decision.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you don't you don't just walk away from you know walk away from employment, at least most reasonable people don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so to you know to throw this on the populace is uh is not only radical, but it's um it strikes right to the heart of of uh who who owns me, who can who can dictate who can dictate my body's most intimate uh um receptions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, we we can only stand prohibition for about 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and you know, this is something this is something way more, this is not something you can't take, it's something that you must.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's the opposite of prohibition.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like it'd be like prohibition in reverse, where everybody everybody has to drink uh you know uh uh a bottle of wine a day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, can you imagine if if if there had been a mandate that everybody has to drink a uh a bottle of wine a day?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um because that's healthy for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the Bible says that uh take some wine for your stomach, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and so because this is such a good thing, we're gonna mandate that everybody has to take, you know, drink uh one glass of wine a day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, can you imagine?
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  SPEAKER_01: And and but that that's that's where we are.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think so.
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  SPEAKER_02: We got my husband got the email about a week ago, uh just over a week ago.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I tell you, there's been so much anxiety in our household.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, it's exactly what you said.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I've been studying, you know, the food supply for a long time, as have you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's like we see things coming down the road in the food supply that we want to avoid, things we're against.
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  SPEAKER_02: But there's always been solutions that I've been able to come up with, you know, namely free market solutions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like there's always the organic option if you don't want to, you know, consume pesticides, or you know, the organic milk if you don't want recumbent bovine growth hormone on your milk.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is really different because this is somebody saying you have to put this pharma solution in your body in order to, you know, go to work, or like they're doing in some other places like New York City.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have to now have this pharma solution in order to, you know, go to a restaurant or engage in certain you know entertainment venues.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's very different than what you and I have studied before in in terms of the food.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it and so it's elicited this fear in in my household where we're we're trying frantically to figure out a solution.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's why I reached out to you and thought we could do this podcast to talk about what do we both see happening in the you know in current events, where do we think this is going and some solutions to come up with.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um so I so now that FDA has approved the Pfizer pharma solution, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And they they just approved it for people 16 and older.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is, you know, my opinion, this opens the door for these kinds of mandates.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, not only like the state level, the military, which has just happened, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Now the military's been mandated to have this pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I just saw that military, um, some military soldiers have actually sued the government.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, because they don't want to have any.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, see Cena, the there are 800 right now, right now today, this moment, there are 800,000 um mil active dil duty military personnel in American armed forces that have not received the pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um 800,000.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now and and these are, I mean, we I'm friends with some some, you know, lieutenant colonels, some, you know, majors, captains.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, we we know these people, and they're being forced they can't they can't just get out.
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  SPEAKER_01: If they get out over this, it's gonna be not an honorable discharge.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's a here's a guy who's given his life for 18, 19 years, and he decides to to um separate, I think that's the term, separate uh from the armed forces, and he loses everything uh over this over this um requirement.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's it it it's patently unfair.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um what I what I hope is that that people will get together and um and and and just oppose this, circumvent it.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean there's a there's a group of nurses in North Carolina, I think about 150 of them, that have just basically uh banded together and said we're not going to take it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, so in North Carolina, you know, uh are they gonna fire these 150 nurses?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then what does the hospital do?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the the the ramifications are almost um unquantifiable.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: You you almost can't can't quantify.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I appreciate your uh trece and I were talking at breakfast this morning, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're so glad that we're self-employed because nobody can tell us, you know, what to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and this is certainly having a huge effect on homeschooling and on on you know on uh on schools that aren't requiring this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um enrollments are up in schools that are taking a more um charit charitable, I'll just say it's charitable approach.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um and you know, I I I I've had this thought, Sina.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you I I'll let you run by this a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what would it take for me to demand that a neighbor um take or eat something?
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  SPEAKER_01: What what kind of fear would I be under that would make me um use the arm of the law, the the the the the gun of the police to require a neighbor to ingest or um or take something like this.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, um I I just can't think of anything that comes to that level that that I would be willing to force my will on somebody else's most intimate choice.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um I can't think of anything that I would that I would want to go to the police and say, take your gun and go make this person do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's where we are.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's one thing, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've been researching a little bit into the legality of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um obviously I'm not a lawyer, right?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: I've just been doing some research into it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it seems as though corporations um can legally mandate um these kind of pharma solutions, and there's some precedence there.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so my thought is I think that there's, like you said, there's so much fear that you can see the other side of the argument, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: That they're trying to create this safe environment or what they perceive to be a safe environment for the majority, you know, for their employees.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, like if if they feel that the majority of the employees don't feel comfortable in an environment without people having this pharma solution, then they're going to, they're gonna tend to um tend to those people's needs, you know, and so I think this is very much fear-driven, and the media is very complicit in this, you know, both sides of the media.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so for example, um, there's a study, I have a couple studies here.
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  SPEAKER_02: This one's called protection of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of the it's the Pfizer pharma solution protection.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is a three-month study out of Israel, and they're showing that people who have had the infection already naturally had the COVID infection, that they actually have um natural immunity that's just as good as the immunity from the pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then today, I don't know if you saw this one, but today another study came out.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this one is actually better than that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: This one's called comparing SARS COVID-2 natural immunity to pharma solution induced immunity, reinfections versus breakthrough infections.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is um uh again, this was Israel, and this was they they did this huge database assessment of people who had the infection naturally, and then people who had the pharma solution, and they tracked them to see what was the response.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, did they have these breakthrough cases, did they have hospitalizations and whatnot?
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, I tell you what, they showed that people who had the pharma solution compared to those who just had the infection, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And they had the natural immunity, the ones who had the pharma solution, they had a 13-fold increased risk of breakthrough infections from the Delta variant.
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  SPEAKER_02: They also had an increased risk of um hospitalization and symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then this is starting to be reported on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Science magazine reported on this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um they're showing that so you're 13 more times likely to get infected than somebody who did not take the pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and in one of the analyses in the study, this was 32,000 people in their healthcare system.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is not a small amount of people, large number of subjects.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um it says that so more people were hospitalized that that had the pharma solution than than were not.
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  SPEAKER_02: So what we're these are clear, these are clear cases that the natural immunity has a better long-term response.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, it protects you better in the long term than the pharma solution.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so um, but this this is, you know, there's this this isn't largely getting out into the mainstream media.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think there's this, this, it's like what you and I talk about in the food supply that people don't really trust themselves, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not connected with the food, and they don't trust themselves till they outsource their power to these quote unquote experts, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We rely on these quote-unquote experts.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the same thing when it comes with the medical field, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: We've lost touch with our own bodies, with the wisdom, the innate intelligence of our bodies.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we tend to outsource um that to experts, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we follow along with what they say, regardless of how many times, like the CDC, for instance, changes its opinion on even whether masks are good or masks are bad, or now you should wear two masks, or you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: And they openly tell you like um Anafaci openly admitted that he was um trying to nudge people in a certain direction, a kind way of saying that, by changing his stance on the mask.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, then we have these pharma solutions and they're telling us one thing, and then then they're telling us a second, a separate thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is gonna protect you from it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh so CDC was and uh Fachi and them were saying this is gonna protect you from getting, you know, COVID.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the companies themselves that were making these pharma solutions clearly said it does not protect you from getting the infection, nor does it protect you from transmitting.
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  SPEAKER_02: But that's not what the public was told in large numbers, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: They're told this is going to protect you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because they drummed up enough fear, people believed it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when they did that, they passed the authority of over their own bodies onto these supposed experts that are in large part, I believe, misleading people.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so they don't trust their bodies, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: What we're hearing in the news, it's all like all these people are sick, all these people are dying, even seemingly healthy people are now, you know, sick and dying from it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's furthering this mistrust in our own bodies.
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  SPEAKER_02: So then when something comes out like these studies showing that your natural immune system is better, it is a better solution than this pharma solution.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: People are not that open-minded to it, I don't think, because they already have this mindset that the body has failed them.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, and there's there, you know, don't don't disregard the um you know the natural proclivity in the human mind for convenience.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh a farm, a pharma solution is certainly more convenient than, for example, um uh getting getting 20 minutes of of sweat, sweaty exercise a day, uh going out in the sun and spending 20 minutes a day to get you know uh uh uh to get vitamin D in your in your skin, uh and and um uh chucking all the soft drinks and Mountain Dew and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pepper from your refrigerator, and um, you know, cooking from scratch, real authentic food, um you know, uh for forgiving all the people that you hate.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all of these uh, you know, very, very basic um uh lifestyle things uh uh you know are difficult.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: They you have to put effort on them, you have to you have to put them in your schedule, you have to think about them.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't just, you know, um grab and go.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so our our grab and go culture has now become uh a grab and go farm your pharma solution uh that that fits our grab and go uh mentality.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh everything's grab and go.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, um, you know, church church is grab and go, school is grab and go, food is grab and go, um, entertainment is grab and go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, everything is grab and go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's it's just natural that society would um you know would pick would pick this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, I I agree with you that um I I I do not I do not think that the intentions of the people that are making these mandates, I don't think their intentions are bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean there are plenty of people that are you know yelling conspiracy and and and uh all this and and uh there's certain there's certainly some of that uh that going on, but um, but in general, I I don't want to I don't want to label label as evil intended these mandates.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't want to label that that doesn't help the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so so let's assume that they are sincere sincere intended um then the the the the question is if if the if the farmal solution works why should you be afraid of me if I don't have it?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean i i if if it actually has any efficacy then um you know you should you should be protected as good as you as well as you can be.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um but secondly think about the cultural um you know the the just the the intrusiveness of government, uh big business, whatever, uh the intrusiveness in in our lives.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean we we are a choice culture now.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean choice is our is our mantra, right?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, you you you you can if if you don't want to be a girl, you can be a guy even.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, we we've even got that much choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and and uh and we we you know we say we say you know, get out of my bedroom, get out of my body, you know, a woman body or choice, you know, the the abortionist.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and and so we have we have really become a choice a choice culture.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um but on this on this element we we've we've thrown choice out the window and view choice as an evil rather than as a um as a positive.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: It it it strikes me at at the difference between order, between order and chaos.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you study chaos theory, um you know nature is always kind of in the in this tension between order and chaos.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh chaos is innovative, and order is uh is status quo.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and culture is like that too, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um uh chaos upsets things, it upsets you know um what's going on, but chaos is absolutely necessary to create innovation, and in our own bodies, in our own bodies, we have this tension between order and chaos.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and and so you know, order is is homeostasis, and you know, we're rocking along, and and along comes a foreign bug, a foreign body, a foreign something.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um and and and that introduces chaos.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And one of the problems with our our sterile, our sterile life lifestyles of antimicrobial soap, of of of um, you know, uh chlorinated water, uh, is that we we have so um eliminated.
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  SPEAKER_01: occasional chaos from our bodies that when when a bit of chaos comes along, you know, it it doesn't help us.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh people know that, you know, I I strategically drink out of the uh cow tank, the water tank with the cows, you know, uh to feed my bike.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: The other morning I was up at the eggmobile and um and I I had some feed on my on my hands.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'd given them some feed and so I just reached down in their in their water pan and kind of you know rinsed my hands off.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then I came in and ate an apple ate an apple on purpose without washing my hands so I would have microbes on it from the chicken waterer out in the field.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Now you know they weren't they didn't have poop on them.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't look dirty but believe me there was plenty of microbial activity on my hands from dipping it in the um in the chicken the chicken waterer.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so so um that that that is a strategic introduction of chaos and I into my body into my microbiome which then you know excites your immune system and excites your um you know your white blood cells and all this stuff and and so you have you have these little skirmishes going on all the time and um and and it it helps to maintain uh a a robust you know a robust immune system.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean people crucified me early on early on in the whole thing when I said back in goodness in uh whatever May last year I did a blog post said I want it I want it now I'm healthy I feel good uh let's let's get it and get it over with and uh my goodness me I was I was I was crucified for being um the next thing next to Satan you know to even uh speak such a thing and yet and yet now you know the the studies coming out of Israel that you're citing and Israel is the best place because Israel has the highest um the the highest pharma solution rate of any country in the world and so so naturally Israel is going to be on the front lines of determining the efficacy of this procedure and so it's natural that we go to Israel for for whatever is the is the latest greatest in in this in this you know of what's happening and so um and so every day now we're seeing more and more evidence and and how many how many people are are coming down sick and they've had the pharma solution and they suddenly you know uh uh come down sick and so you know we're seeing more and more of this um get out and and hopefully uh it'll it'll be it'll be more than just um you know than just circulating within a you know a very narrow uh a very narrow tribe of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah well now you have um companies like like Pfizer is recognizing that there are these breakthrough cases as they're calling them and so um I just saw the other day I think it was the CEO of Pfizer has come out and predicted that there's going to be um pharma solution resistance strains coming right and so he's he's laying the groundwork here for boosters booster um pharma solutions you know which we've already we're already seeing that recommended by the government for immunocompromised populations so you you can see the writing on the wall here it's that the you know they want to have a some annual or less booster of these things right kind of like we do like these the flu pharma solution um so that's already in the works as you're saying um but guess who's not guess who according to leaked documents guess who has not mandated the pharma solution for their employees uh I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take I have no idea so I'm I'm being completely you know transparent here but I'm gonna take a wild guess Cena the way you've set this up I'm gonna wildly guess that it's the pharmaceutical companies it's it's Pfizer so there's these leaked documents saying that you know Pfizer's not mandating it but um and according to these dockets about 20% of their employees have not had the pharma solution and so they're not requiring it.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what it reminds me of you remember when we were studying um GMOs with Monsanto and it came out that there was that sign in the cafeteria of the Monsanto plant that said something like the food served in this cafeteria does not contain GMOs right because the employees pushed back.
• 26:55
  unknown: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it reminds me of the same thing so if these leaf documents are true we see this happening within the pharma company itself but and to your point um you know about the chaos and whatnot I think that in part you know it's asking people to make a pretty big leap mentally to be to say to them, okay, trust your body and and don't rely on this pharma solution because we've already mounted a war on microbes right we had a war on cancer that failed miserably right spent how many you know millions of taxpayer dollars and that failed miserably and then we've launched this war on microbes and so we do view them as an enemy as a foreign invader instead of like what you're saying you work with the microbes and you know as you know we are um more micro than human about as far as we know at so far we're about 10 10 bacterial cells to one human cell so it is imperative that we build these robust microbiomes and um you know it did did you get tested for COVID like when you went on Joe Rogan show were you I did I did you were you what was the result well I was I was it was a blood test blood antibody test and it was negative I had nothing but here's what the here's what the doctor told me the one that I said well so you know so I haven't had it he said well we don't know that he said you have two two immune uh uh kind of levels of of immunological function you have your skin you have your out outside your skin and if that is robust enough it stops it at the gate it doesn't get into your skin it doesn't get into you anywhere the only way that you that it gets into your into your uh bloodstream if if I tested this this was positive is that it it went through your exterior immune system and got into your interior immune system.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and so so here here you know here I was uh testing negative but nobody could tell me if I'd been exposed am I uh you know is my immune system so good that it caught it at the look Cena what are the chances Cena right now you you're look you're the PhD you tell me what are the chances right now that a normal person in the USA I'm not not talking about a you know a hermit on the backside of some cave somewhere I'm saying a normal person like you and I well maybe we're not normal but a normal person like you and I what are the chances what are the chances that you and I have not uh whatever uh contact been introduced to C V ID yeah so I would say at this point the chance is zero because I've had C O V ID so I've had it and you're you travel a lot and you're exposed to a lot of people you know I mean and even on a daily basis with you know your farm having complete transparency and people come all the time.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I and we we hosted that summit together there were like 350 people there.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: We all hugged and everything so um so I would say the chance probably for you is I don't want to say for you zero to no but you know it as close to zero as you can get without knowing exactly about without being God right but I I had it and my whole family had it and our approach was the same that you're talking about.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_02: So when this came about um at the very beginning and nobody knew a lot, the pictures coming out of places like China were terrifying you know so we didn't know what to expect.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: My husband and I early on concluded that um this was made in a lab um because of certain genetic sequences that that we are they already they were proposing certain genetic sequences although now we know they've not really isolated it.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know how they did that but I think it was the sequences that they were testing in the lab.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so we um we assumed that it was from that lab, which now there's great amount of evidence to support that.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: So we did um rev up our own daily protocol you know of increasing more microbes into our body so we increased the amount of um fermented foods that we ate for instance you know decreased the amount of sugar even sugar from fruit we did emotional detox so like what you're saying forgiving people forgiving everybody you know de stressing ourselves adding more play into our lives you know more board games with the kids things like that.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: And so when when we got it already had this protocol in place uh you know with different supplements and herbs and we recovered very well from it you know uh it was tiring for a couple days um but in general we recovered well we are not long haulers you know we were able to completely rid our bodies of it um but I will tell you there was a little bit of a fear like on you know maybe day two or something because of all the fear that's out there and it's really hyped up.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: And then I had friends who knew we had it and they were sending me messages and they're like I've studied this and you're now in the phase where your brain is inflamed.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: So don't stress out like and I'm like what like that's kind of oxymoron right but and I finally had to say to people please stop I know you love me and you care about me stop giving me input because what you believe becomes your reality right we know that from the placebo effect.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: We also know that there's a nocebo effect where if you think you're gonna get sick you will and so I'm telling you um this feeds into the conversation about why are people mandating this.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: If we listen to everybody and listen to the news at that time my husband and I even started to get a little bit afraid like what if we weren't afraid for me we were a little bit concerned for my husband because he had preexisting lung conditions a lung condition.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: So we didn't quite know how he'd respond.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: So anyhow my point is we got wrapped up in it a little bit mentally and we had to calm each other down.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: And so what we did we went for a walk like the third day we were feeling better and I said we need to melt our jello right melt our structured water to rid the body of these toxins.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we went for a casual walk and we decided together that we were going to change our perception of COVID.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: We were going to tell ourselves in our body that it was just another common cold and I kid you not we said this over and over we came home we told the kids like we're not worried about this you know the body has this natural immunity we're gonna we're just fine and that more than anything more than vitamin C and zinc and all these other things that turned it around like just getting rid of the fear and giving our body trusting in our body that it was going to do what it what it's meant to do.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah well Cena you know another aspect of that is I I find myself uh look you know I'm I'm human too and subject to you know fears and anxieties and things like this but I find that that if I if I literally just put that out and say what do I want to do tomorrow?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: What do I want to do next week?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: What do I want to do next year and think about about noble sacred things that I want to accomplish that I want to do um you know I'm I'm um you know I'm I'm gonna I'm I I'm gonna now live fewer years uh I have fewer years looking ahead than behind me now and and so so uh this this forward thinking um legacy legacy idea of what do I want to live for?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: What do I want to be healthy for?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: What do I want to accomplish and do um that that does a lot to dispel these negative anxiety fear-based thoughts and when you realize that that most Americans are in unfulfilling jobs uh what is it like 80% of Americans hate their jobs um you know we we live in a we live in a time where um where where much of the work much of the of the personal um uh identity I mean you know your vocation is a lot of your identity right you know you you meet somebody say what do you do for a living yeah I mean we we just do that naturally right and so our identities are wrapped up in in in in in the hours a day that we spend in being productive uh doing something and and when that doing something is not soul satisfying not fulfilling um because it either isn't or because the company the the the employer has not created a vision of nobility uh i in in in the in the employment culture um then then it it's very difficult it's very difficult to to whatever um hype up our emotions about well i gotta i gotta still healthy because man i i i got this report to do next week i i got this this presentation to give and it's important it's gonna change the world and and the world needs to hear this and i need to be there for it you know that that that that kind of thing uh unfortunately doesn't happen very much but but i but i i'm convinced that having um the that dwelling for me dwelling in i mean today this morning i spent two hours over at one of the new um properties that were under our management um chainsawing a tunnel through cedar trees privet bush and multiflora rows uh so that we can run an electric fence through there to to to take cows over and and and i was literally sitting there thinking man this is gonna be so cool to get this done this place has not had good stewardship for 60 years we're bringing we're you know as daniel says we're nuking it with love and and this is this is this is sacred important stuff and I just got all fired up and excited to live again you know and and that's that's valuable yeah I love that and one thing that takes away people's uh incentive at work is mandates right and so and and and so to but to piggyback on what you're saying um I love my husband's perspective on this so while both of us are against mandates right my husband came out with a positive perspective where he said um okay well this is maybe maybe this is going to push me into a job that I like even better right to to be more fulfilled like this is possibly going to lead to a great opportunity right um and so just shifting that perception changed the energy of the conversation and we started to think of solutions instead of sitting in that space of oh my goodness you're probably going to lose your job we started to shift and come up with um you know solutions in the immediate and the solutions long term.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for joining us everyone please join us again in part two as we discuss short term and long term solutions