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Ep. 183 - How to Stand Firm in a Godless Culture · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:05
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The logic of the scripture is clear.
• 1:06
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Think of a passage like Deuteronomy, chapter 6.
• 1:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And there's a passage that Christians will understand with the ring of the familiar, but I don't think they often pause to understand what the Lord said through Moses to Israel.
• 1:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There, the children of Israel who are after the generation of rebellion are getting ready to enter the land of promise.
• 1:25
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And you'll recall that God speaks through Moses and says after the re-giving of the Ten Commandments he said when your son comes to you in days to come, say what are the meaning of the statutes in these commandments.
• 1:39
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Then you shall say to your son and then he speaks to the diligence that Israel's parents are going to have to teach their children.
• 1:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And it says and you're going out and you're coming in, and you're standing up and you're sitting down.
• 1:48
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's a Hebrew way of saying all the time.
• 1:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, all the time.
• 1:52
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know when you're breathing, when you're not breathing you know you need to be teaching your children the law of God, teaching your children the Word of God, and so I turn back to that text over and over again.
• 2:03
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And you know the other sweet thing there is that phrase which comes up again in Joshua, chapter 4 and elsewhere.
• 2:08
  Dr. Albert Mohler: When your son asks you, in days to come, what is the meaning of these stones, these laws, these commandments, then you shall say to your son Notice the pronoun there your son, this is your responsibility.
• 2:24
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The future of Israel depends upon one father rightfully answering the question of one son.
• 2:35
  Emeal Zwayne: This is a Living Waters breaking news alert.
• 2:38
  Emeal Zwayne: After 50 consecutive years of ministry, Ray Comfort is calling it quits.
• 2:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Along with establishing a 5 million acre banana farm, Ray Comfort is pursuing his lifelong dream of chicken coop building.
• 2:50
  Emeal Zwayne: His new business is called getting you all cooped up.
• 2:56
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that was so good.
• 2:57
  Ray Comfort: Oh, that sounds like a dream, seriously.
• 3:00
  Emeal Zwayne: So, Ray, you've gone on this new adventure.
• 3:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Banana is a chicken coop.
• 3:03
  Oscar Navarro: What is it?
• 3:03
  Emeal Zwayne: with you and chicken coop, 24 chickens.
• 3:06
  Emeal Zwayne: You just helped Daniel, your son, my son Daniel, Expand his chicken coop, expand his chicken coop.
• 3:11
  Emeal Zwayne: So what was that all about?
• 3:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I get pictures of this chicken coop.
• 3:14
  Ray Comfort: It was just wonderful bonding with my son as we worked on this chicken coop last week for a whole day and making the chickens happy, because chickens like eggs.
• 3:22
  Ray Comfort: I don't know if you know that's true.
• 3:23
  Ray Comfort: You can put, fry, scramble or boil them and they're good for you.
• 3:26
  Ray Comfort: Eggs.
• 3:28
  Oscar Navarro: How many chickens does he have?
• 3:29
  Ray Comfort: About 18, I think.
• 3:31
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, what a young buck.
• 3:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you going to be influencing him to get more Ray?
• 3:35
  Ray Comfort: I would like to surprise him with more, maybe for birthdays and things like that.
• 3:39
  Oscar Navarro: How many do you have?
• 3:39
  Ray Comfort: Ray 24.
• 3:40
  Ray Comfort: One died yesterday.
• 3:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, where are you, sad Ray?
• 3:44
  Ray Comfort: Oh, I don't have to handle it, sue does.
• 3:45
  Ray Comfort: Do you need them?
• 3:46
  Emeal Zwayne: all he makes his wife dispose of his dead chickens.
• 3:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Finger licking and things like that.
• 3:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Fried and crispy and tinda.
• 3:53
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, yeah, you still have the axe up in the coop.
• 3:56
  Ray Comfort: I used to but I needed that.
• 3:58
  Emeal Zwayne: What will it be?
• 3:58
  Ray Comfort: ladies.
• 3:59
  Ray Comfort: Yes, eggs Chicken.
• 4:03
  Oscar Navarro: Have you ever had a possessed chicken?
• 4:05
  Ray Comfort: Yes, yeah, that was what was her name Betty.
• 4:07
  Emeal Zwayne: Where'd you get her from Ray.
• 4:09
  Ray Comfort: Oscar Gay.
• 4:11
  Emeal Zwayne: You pawn off your possessed chicken, right?
• 4:12
  Oscar Navarro: We did, we thought well okay, so here's what happens when you have, like, an aggressive chicken and you introduce them into a new flock herd I don't know what you call them.
• 4:23
  Ray Comfort: A herd of chickens?
• 4:24
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, that's not right.
• 4:25
  Oscar Navarro: A new flock.
• 4:26
  Oscar Navarro: She's supposed to be at the bottom of the pecking order, but crazy Betty showed up at Ray's backyard and just immediately moved to the top of the pecking order.
• 4:35
  Ray Comfort: Yeah Right, she'd sit right up top and look down on all the other chickens she's still happy.
• 4:39
  Ray Comfort: No, we got.
• 4:40
  Ray Comfort: You got rid of it and you threw over a farmer's fence.
• 4:42
  Ray Comfort: I donated it.
• 4:44
  Mark Spence: You did.
• 4:45
  Ray Comfort: To heaven, to the rears.
• 4:47
  Mark Spence: To heaven.
• 4:48
  Mark Spence: Did you kill Betty?
• 4:49
  Mark Spence: Stop, you killed Betty.
• 4:51
  Mark Spence: I don't remember.
• 4:52
  Mark Spence: Is that the one I donated to heaven?
• 4:53
  Mark Spence: Or that might be the one I donated to the farmer?
• 4:56
  Ray Comfort: You just put it on the fence.
• 4:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray, if you could, because I know you can't in your area, but if you could, would you get a rooster?
• 5:03
  Ray Comfort: Rooster?
• 5:04
  Ray Comfort: No, because they don't know what the time is.
• 5:05
  Ray Comfort: They start crowing at about 3 am.
• 5:07
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, they're really annoying.
• 5:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Roosters are pretty vicious too.
• 5:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah I don't know why.
• 5:12
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm getting visions of Mark being chased by roosters.
• 5:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Is that a rapindy Mark?
• 5:15
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't think so.
• 5:16
  Emeal Zwayne: I can see it, though, happening For some reason.
• 5:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Do they taste?
• 5:20
  Ray Comfort: like chicken.
• 5:21
  Ray Comfort: The roosters taste like chicken.
• 5:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, when we went to Africa, to you go on down the fence.
• 5:25
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't stunk of that story.
• 5:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Did you kill a chicken?
• 5:28
  Mark Spence: too, or no?
• 5:28
  Mark Spence: No, I purchased a chicken for, I think, three pennies.
• 5:33
  Mark Spence: We went to a gas station and they cooked it for us.
• 5:38
  Emeal Zwayne: It took like three hours.
• 5:39
  Emeal Zwayne: You're serious, it was really the gas station.
• 5:41
  Mark Spence: I was with Dave Zavala.
• 5:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, dave Zavala.
• 5:43
  Mark Spence: I thought you were with me.
• 5:44
  Mark Spence: No, no.
• 5:45
  Emeal Zwayne: I would not have participated in such a thing.
• 5:48
  Mark Spence: He was haggling over three pennies, I went wow, that is amazing.
• 5:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Dave lives to haggle.
• 5:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it haggles to live.
• 5:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's true.
• 5:56
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, friends, here's a comment.
• 5:59
  Emeal Zwayne: This is from Jesus, v 2323 to all you guys.
• 6:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Podcast is great.
• 6:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I feel like it's fresh air.
• 6:08
  Emeal Zwayne: I do long drives throughout Dallas and I'm able to hear your episodes and it keeps my mind occupied for the things of God.
• 6:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, cool, the thought of people actually driving on long trips.
• 6:20
  Emeal Zwayne: My cousin Tina, mike, who Tina shout out to Tina.
• 6:23
  Emeal Zwayne: My cousin Mike, cousin, mike, cousin I'm sure there's someone with the last name cousin I'll get a letter from them.
• 6:32
  Emeal Zwayne: But my beloved cousin Tina just left me a message the other day.
• 6:35
  Emeal Zwayne: She's on like episode 100 and something and she's just still listening and getting encouraged.
• 6:41
  Oscar Navarro: Thank you, Tina.
• 6:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, thanks for listening there, tina, but yeah, but she says she listens a lot when she drives what's?
• 6:47
  Emeal Zwayne: That she can't hear anything.
• 6:49
  Oscar Navarro: She listened to it in Braille.
• 6:50
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but yeah, it is encouraging.
• 6:53
  Emeal Zwayne: So thank you for that, our dear friend.
• 6:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Thanks for listening.
• 6:56
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• 7:01
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• 7:13
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• 7:16
  Ray Comfort: It's so tasteful.
• 7:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Tastfully done.
• 7:19
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• 7:23
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• 7:26
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• 7:31
  Emeal Zwayne: A cookbook.
• 7:32
  Oscar Navarro: Have you met Ray?
• 7:33
  Ray Comfort: Comfort 101 things by all means by all means Maybe something.
• 7:38
  Ray Comfort: This cookbook has the gospel of it.
• 7:40
  Ray Comfort: That's what gives us a taste.
• 7:41
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• 7:44
  Mark Spence: They said it tasted terrible.
• 7:47
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• 7:50
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• 7:51
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• 7:54
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• 8:06
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• 8:14
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, we're talking about NRB.
• 8:17
  Oscar Navarro: NERB, I just want to point out that somewhere out there, Dr Albert Mohler is going to give you a call and be like you started my episode talking about chickens and books that you're going to eat.
• 8:28
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, we interviewed Dr Albert Mohler, and what an experience.
• 8:33
  Emeal Zwayne: First of all, as you're going to hear, during the interview, I was utterly shocked that he does not write out the briefing.
• 8:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I thought for sure his staff writes it out, but no, he doesn't even write it out.
• 8:46
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm sure he has some little notes or something, but he basically goes off the cuff.
• 8:50
  Emeal Zwayne: It's unreal.
• 8:51
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm convinced he has at least three or four brains, because just the brilliance he's sitting here.
• 8:57
  Emeal Zwayne: How long did you guys spend with him?
• 8:59
  Emeal Zwayne: We had it about 35, 40 minutes.
• 9:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, but who is Albert Mohler?
• 9:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, because for anybody who's, yeah, he's a president of the Southern Baptist Seminary, which is the largest seminary in the world Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and he is an author and a speaker and just a very impactful Christian leader.
• 9:20
  Ray Comfort: Does he have chicken?
• 9:22
  Oscar Navarro: Probably not, yeah, but my favorite moment in the entire recording is that we're sitting there, we're talking and Dr Albert Mohler, president of the biggest what did you say?
• 9:33
  Oscar Navarro: President of the largest seminary in the world, says Augustus, and then I look at.
• 9:40
  Emeal Zwayne: Ray Wait, wait, wait.
• 9:40
  Oscar Navarro: He says what he says what Augustus, excuse me, augustus he says Augustus.
• 9:45
  Oscar Navarro: He says Augustan, and I look at EZ and then he says it again Augustan, and I was like let's go.
• 9:55
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it just shows that someone, even so brilliant, can sometimes get something wrong.
• 9:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, as you just did, by the way.
• 10:01
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, there you have it Without any further ado, and boy was it encouraging.
• 10:07
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm sure it will be to you as well.
• 10:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Here is our dear brother, dr Albert Mohler.
• 10:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, friends, as you can tell by the background noise, yes, we are still at the NRB.
• 10:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Earlier I was calling it a bit of a zoo.
• 10:21
  Emeal Zwayne: It's a bit of a blessing, and that we get to interact and connect with a lot of people, but it's also a bit busy, as you can tell.
• 10:29
  Emeal Zwayne: But I'm happy to say that we were able to grab hold of someone who's extremely busy.
• 10:34
  Emeal Zwayne: He's no stranger to many of you, our listeners, because I'm sure you've heard him on the briefing we have with us today, dr Albert Mohler.
• 10:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Dr Mohler, it's such a blessing to have you here with us today.
• 10:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you, it's great to be with you.
• 10:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, thank you for your ministry and for the ways through which you've allowed the Lord to use you.
• 10:51
  Emeal Zwayne: And not only do you host the briefing, which, like I said, most of our audience would be familiar with, but you're obviously also an author, you're an international speaker, and is it right?
• 10:59
  Emeal Zwayne: The ninth president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
• 11:02
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yes, and just completing 30 years in that role, wow 30 years amazing.
• 11:07
  Emeal Zwayne: I read somewhere you were in your 30s when you took the role.
• 11:10
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, so add 30 to that and you've got pretty much where you're at we got your age.
• 11:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow.
• 11:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, what a blessing, and obviously I mentioned that you're an author as well.
• 11:19
  Emeal Zwayne: You've written such books as the Gathering Storm, tell me, the story of Jesus he is not silent, the conviction to lead, and many others.
• 11:27
  Emeal Zwayne: By the way, how many books is it now?
• 11:29
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I don't really know.
• 11:30
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's an interesting question.
• 11:32
  Emeal Zwayne: I haven't really added them up.
• 11:33
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, you're like Ray Comfort he hit, he's over a hundred now, so he's just he stopped counting yeah well, that in itself is an amazing number.
• 11:43
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It's a long path of faithfulness there, for anybody who hasn't read any of his books.
• 11:47
  Oscar Navarro: If I can recommend one to you, which my favorite one, it was convicted to lead and it kind of gets into the story a little bit about you becoming the president of the seminary.
• 11:55
  Oscar Navarro: My biggest advocation for this book and what I can say is you know, when I work in finance I was.
• 12:00
  Oscar Navarro: I was blessed to be a part of a leadership program and they brought guys in from MIT and Stanford to help us develop as leaders and with all of the books that I got to read in that program and all of the seminars that they had me attend your book wasn't in it, but I read it afterwards and if I was gonna recommend one book on leadership, it would be convicted to lead.
• 12:21
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's incredibly kind, thank you, and the second addition to that book is coming out in September.
• 12:25
  Oscar Navarro: Oh really.
• 12:26
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Because of some of the events that have taken place in the culture, yeah, in social media, just one thing, and then lessons from the, the entire chaos of the last three or four years with COVID and everything else massive challenges to leadership and I think, once again, the only leadership that matters is conviction leadership, yeah, I mean.
• 12:44
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's great you know, dr Mueller, I wanted to ask you I mentioned the briefing already that has had such a massive impact.
• 12:51
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm blown away that you do this thing daily, and the main reason why I'm blown away is because of the quality of the production.
• 12:58
  Emeal Zwayne: And then you combine that with the fact that it's daily.
• 13:00
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't know how you do it.
• 13:02
  Emeal Zwayne: You know we do.
• 13:02
  Emeal Zwayne: We do a couple podcasts a week and that's a lot.
• 13:06
  Emeal Zwayne: But do you write those as your staff write them?
• 13:08
  Emeal Zwayne: They're just so well done Well.
• 13:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I appreciate that they're not written at all.
• 13:11
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I'm doing it entirely extemporaneously every single time.
• 13:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously.
• 13:14
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, there's.
• 13:15
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There's no script, there be no time to develop one.
• 13:17
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I sometimes don't know exactly what issues I'm going to discuss when I sit down to record in the studio.
• 13:24
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, it's, because events happen sometimes right up until we end up.
• 13:29
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know recording, yeah, and so I did live national radio for a decade.
• 13:36
  Mark Spence: Okay, and there's no script for that.
• 13:39
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, and I kind of and, by the way, I use very few notes when I preach I just I seek to to operate without a manuscript.
• 13:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Really, and for the briefing, I just have to have you always preached like that or did that?
• 13:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Is that something that came later on it?
• 13:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: developed.
• 13:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Just, you know, over time I was more dependent on you know.
• 13:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Some notes in the beginning, yeah, and there's nothing wrong with having them, especially if you know you're citing something.
• 14:03
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
• 14:04
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know, have a reason for you know.
• 14:05
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Some organizational reminders there.
• 14:07
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 14:08
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But the point is is that I don't find it most effective to be tied to something that's written before I'm gonna do it.
• 14:17
  Oscar Navarro: You know, something I love about the briefing, dr Mohler, is I want to stay up to date on the culture and what's going on.
• 14:23
  Oscar Navarro: I just don't have the time to hop on to all of the websites to follow all of the things, and something that's incredible and to know that it's not written is how concise yet thorough you are in such a short period of time.
• 14:35
  Oscar Navarro: On the briefing.
• 14:36
  Oscar Navarro: It really it's like if you are, if you've got a short period of time and you want to be up to date.
• 14:41
  Oscar Navarro: It's a great resource for that.
• 14:43
  Oscar Navarro: So thank you for for your work.
• 14:44
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Well, thank you for that word.
• 14:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know, sometimes I feel like I just drone on on things because, because some of these issues are so big, sure, and I want Christians to be thinking about how to think christianly about these issues.
• 14:57
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And you know, the world's not throwing as many small issues these days, they're all the big ones, yeah, and that tells us something about the times in which we live.
• 15:05
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There.
• 15:05
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There are very few small skirmishes Now.
• 15:08
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Everything is a pretty big issue.
• 15:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, for sure you know.
• 15:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I wanted to ask you, as as the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, which is one of the largest seminaries in the world, how would you describe the current state of the Christian academic world?
• 15:23
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Well, all those words are loaded, aren't they?
• 15:25
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Christian and academic in world, and so I think the biggest problem is not whether or not these institutions are academic.
• 15:32
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There's certainly some questions there, but by and large they're very academic.
• 15:35
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The question is whether they're very Christian.
• 15:37
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 15:38
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And I think we have a great sift going on right now.
• 15:41
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're about to find out who's going to stand.
• 15:43
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Just to take the LGBTQ issues alone, you're going to see massive capitulation, and it's a reminder to us that vast cultural shifts often come on unpredicted issues.
• 15:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So if you were, you know, sitting in an evangelical strategy room 40 years ago, you wouldn't have come up with this as the issue Right.
• 16:02
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But here we are, and even 15 years ago you wouldn't think that we're at the level of, you know, people denying that there's an inherent creational distinction between male and female.
• 16:14
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're in a society that wants to say a boy's a girl and a girl's a boy.
• 16:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Okay, so that was not something that could have been foreseen just a matter of decades ago.
• 16:25
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Not so much in that people wouldn't make the argument that's pretty old in human history, but they would have cultural traction and gain maximum cultural momentum.
• 16:33
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's a very different thing.
• 16:34
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The challenge to Christian higher education is how in the world to hold to Christian truth and remain in that world of academic let's just say self-referentialism, because the academic world tries to reference only itself in terms of defining who it is and what an academic institution should look like.
• 16:55
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And this means that the dominant elite liberal institutions really set the pace.
• 17:01
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And you know, it's not just that they do what they do, it's that every little community college wants to look like a little Harvard and the way to do that is, by the way, they're not gonna get Harvard's buildings, and I get Harvard's campus.
• 17:13
  Dr. Albert Mohler: They're not gonna get Harvard's logo.
• 17:14
  Oscar Navarro: So what they try to do is use Harvard's ideas, you know you said something that reminds me of Carl Truman's book the Rise and Fall of the Modern Self, in which he talks about his grandfather coming, coming home from Vietnam war.
• 17:26
  Oscar Navarro: And if you were to say to his grandpa something in effect of you know, I'm a man living in a woman's body, he would have been like.
• 17:31
  Oscar Navarro: That doesn't compute in my mind, and yet that's such a familiar phrase and surprisingly acceptable in this modern age.
• 17:40
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, you know.
• 17:41
  Dr. Albert Mohler: By the way, one of the one of the issues before you get to male and female there, the I am a formula is something that is extremely new.
• 17:53
  Mark Spence: No.
• 17:53
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Because Throughout all of human history, you were told who you are.
• 17:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Your parents told you who you are, your tribe told you who you are and increasingly, as I say as a boy, it was not just my parents told me who I am, such as that.
• 18:08
  Dr. Albert Mohler: My extended family told me who I am and teachers told me who I am and, by the way, they were all agreed on that.
• 18:12
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But it was that a sweet, gospel-minded, bible-believing local church told me who I am.
• 18:17
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So the people around me did not say look, you're on an endless quest to try to discover who you are.
• 18:26
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Instead, it is like Luther's small catechism for children.
• 18:32
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know, here's who you are.
• 18:33
  Dr. Albert Mohler: God made you little one.
• 18:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, dr Mohler, my dad.
• 18:37
  Emeal Zwayne: He's 112.
• 18:39
  Emeal Zwayne: He is right now.
• 18:40
  Emeal Zwayne: By one website's account, he's one of the.
• 18:42
  Emeal Zwayne: He's the oldest man in America and he's gotten older, so his mind isn't all fully there.
• 18:48
  Emeal Zwayne: But he doesn't even really know about what's going on in our world today the whole LGBTQ insanity, the whole transgenderism, the wokeness, all of that.
• 18:57
  Emeal Zwayne: It's just not even so.
• 18:59
  Emeal Zwayne: It's almost like taking someone and transporting them from history and bringing them here.
• 19:02
  Emeal Zwayne: He was born in 1911.
• 19:03
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know incredible.
• 19:05
  Emeal Zwayne: And so Ray and I constantly step back and we say what is going on, like we're conscious of what's happening.
• 19:11
  Emeal Zwayne: But it's surreal.
• 19:12
  Emeal Zwayne: You have adults playing make-believe, playing dress-up, and everyone's going along.
• 19:17
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It's like the Emperor's got no clothes and you know it'd be bad enough if that's where this issue stayed.
• 19:21
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But that's not where this issue stays, because any issue like this gets downshifted generationally.
• 19:27
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So right now, obviously Christians should be concerned about a middle-aged man confused about this issue.
• 19:34
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah right, but there's a far greater tragedy when this confusion is being ideologically forced down on nine-year-olds and 13-year-olds and 17-year-olds, that is.
• 19:43
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's really a form of the well, let's just say it's a form of abuse.
• 19:47
  Mark Spence: Absolutely.
• 19:48
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And one of the things, by the way, that Christian parents always need to keep in mind is that God put you there to tell you who your children are, to tell your children who they are and to point them to Scripture, to know who they are.
• 19:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The Creator to know who they are.
• 20:00
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The Redeemer to know who they are.
• 20:01
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The idea that we're on this endless personal quest is going to end in absolute disaster for all of humanity.
• 20:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, we're not capable of this.
• 20:10
  Emeal Zwayne: We're not competent, Right.
• 20:11
  Emeal Zwayne: And you throw on top of that the fact that these younger generations aren't being taught to think critically, and you combine that with the pressure that's being put on them from adults, it's like what's the next generation going to be like?
• 20:24
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, this is a very, very odd thing.
• 20:26
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So you mentioned that a lot of them don't think critically.
• 20:29
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I think you could argue that most human beings without human history have at least tried not to have to think very critically.
• 20:37
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's just a part of the human condition.
• 20:41
  Oscar Navarro: It's like you know me.
• 20:43
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Well, and it's also you know, most human beings, most human history, lived lives in which they didn't have to face conversations about these issues it was a received world.
• 20:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It was an inherited world, it was a defined world, so this is something new in terms of it being like everybody's responsibility, but the fact is that critical thinking is now defined by this culture as holding any claim of absolute truth as oppressive, and so, in other words, critical thinking is something that Christians have to capture and understand.
• 21:20
  Dr. Albert Mohler: This is a part of the discipleship of the mind.
• 21:22
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I was one in the generation so shaped by Francis Schaefer and others about how to think as a Christian and I fear that I was actually a part of a generation that was better taught than so many young people now and what they're receiving even in supposedly Christian churches.
• 21:40
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I think it's a sad commentary that evangelicals kind of achieved a certain consensus in the 1970s that in the 60s we're going to have to think seriously as Christians.
• 21:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're going to have to actually teach young people some serious Bible.
• 21:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're going to have to help them think in novel and novel terms and now it's kind of like gone back to.
• 22:04
  Oscar Navarro: Roper Room.
• 22:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Oscar Navarro: Practically speaking, what wisdom would you give, what counsel would you give to parents?
• 22:08
  Oscar Navarro: Because the reality is that it's obviously happening in the public school system, but it's even beyond that.
• 22:13
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, someone just sent me a video clip of, like this cartoon of the Transformers, and there was a robot telling a little girl that she's not a boy, not a girl, and the little girl was like man, that that you know you have to be a boy or a girl in my world.
• 22:26
  Oscar Navarro: And then the robot says something like oh, that's so strange and so weird.
• 22:29
  Oscar Navarro: And so my point is that is that this narrative is all around us.
• 22:34
  Oscar Navarro: So what?
• 22:34
  Oscar Navarro: What advice do you have to parents out there that want to give their children a biblical worldview and to prepare them for for the world around them?
• 22:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, my advice is do it.
• 22:46
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know, that'd be my first advice in an admonition and very strongly so.
• 22:50
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, I mean, do it, you know what you need to do.
• 22:53
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Do it, you know.
• 22:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Christians need to recover the biblical conception of the fact that the family is to be the first school, the first church and the first government.
• 23:02
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And parents are God ordained to fulfill that role in the first school and in the first church and in the first government.
• 23:11
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And so parents just just do what Christians have understood Christian parents were responsible to do from the very beginning.
• 23:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It's not like this is new stuff.
• 23:20
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know I tell people look, Christian moms and dads had to get 15 year old kids ready to go out on the streets of Rome.
• 23:26
  Dr. Albert Mohler: When you had prostitutes advertising you know they're in the marketplace and when you had emperor worship as dominant in the age and when, when you had pornography, you know, as a matter of public art, supposedly, in other words, christians, christians in early centuries had to figure this out.
• 23:44
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It's not like.
• 23:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: This is entirely new.
• 23:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, a lot of people think that, yeah, that it is new.
• 23:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Obviously it takes new shapes and forms and technology helps it to advance in new and, I think you know, very destructive ways.
• 23:55
  Emeal Zwayne: But, yeah, Christians have been dealing with the common temptations to man throughout the centuries and I think the problem is especially in our day and age is a lot of parents are Christian.
• 24:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Parents are raising their kids by default rather than by design.
• 24:07
  Emeal Zwayne: There's no plan.
• 24:10
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah right, and, and you know, you mentioned technology.
• 24:12
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's not an irrelevant factor by any means, because it is also true that parents in the home used to define the reality that the child was exposed to, and I wouldn't encourage parents to do that, by the way.
• 24:26
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But, I also want to encourage parents to recognize there are more limitations on that than you may recognize, and so you're fighting a much bigger battle and more urgent battle than it may seem.
• 24:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Because you mentioned cartoon characters and all the rest, I will tell you, as a parent and as a grandparent, it's very shocking to know what kind of conversation could go on in a playground.
• 24:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, unreal.
• 24:49
  Oscar Navarro: Somebody maybe it was you easy mentioned that this isn't new information in the sense that we've been facing these lies as Christians for the last 2000 years.
• 24:56
  Oscar Navarro: Larry Hurtado, the historian, does a really good job of explaining what Roman culture looked like in his book to story of the gods, and so that I guess the point is there's nothing new.
• 25:06
  Oscar Navarro: We've been able to raise children in a godly manner in anti gospel cultures before, and I think what you're getting at here by saying just do it is.
• 25:13
  Oscar Navarro: One of the things that I talk about often is is the importance of a family liturgy, because if you think that you know why take our kids to church and they're there for 45 minutes and they get their Sunday school download and they go home and then, to your point, they're on TikTok, they're on Instagram, they're playing video games, they're on the park, and if that 45 minutes is your liturgy, you're being out, discipled by the world around you.
• 25:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, you know it can take many different forms, but the logic of the scripture is clear.
• 25:40
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Think of a passage like Deuteronomy, chapter six.
• 25:42
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And there's a passage that Christians will understand with the ring of the familiar, but I don't think they often pause to understand what the Lord said through Moses to Israel.
• 25:52
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There, the children of Israel who are after the generation of rebellion are getting ready to enter the land of promise.
• 25:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And you'll recall that God speaks through Moses and says, after the re-giving of the 10 commandments, he said when your son comes to you in days to come, say what are the meaning of the statutes in these commandments.
• 26:12
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Then you shall say to your son, and then he speaks to the diligence that Israel's parents are going to have to teach their children.
• 26:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And it says and you're going out and you're coming in and you're standing up and you're sitting down.
• 26:22
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's a Hebrew way of saying all the time all the time when you're breathing, when you're not breathing you know you need to be teaching your children the law of God, teaching your children the word of God, and so I turn back to that text over and over again.
• 26:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And you know the other sweet thing there is that phrase which comes up again in Joshua, chapter four, and elsewhere.
• 26:41
  Dr. Albert Mohler: When your son asks you in days to come, what is the meaning of these stones, these laws, these commandments, then you shall say to your son notice the pronoun there your son, this is your responsibility.
• 26:57
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The future of Israel depends upon one father rightfully answering the question of one son.
• 27:06
  Emeal Zwayne: That's so good, yeah, and we see that outlined in the Proverbs, you know, and just that example a father instructing his son.
• 27:12
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, I do have a question for you, and this would hit close to home for you as a seminary president with all of these regulations that keep coming down and, short of divine intervention, it's going to keep getting worse how do Christian institutions like seminaries, christian universities and churches survive?
• 27:31
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, what do we do when we're commanded to do things that obviously violate scripture, like you have to hire people from the LGBTQ community, or you have to do gay weddings, or what have you?
• 27:42
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Well, if the law comes with course of force to say you have to do that, then disband the institution, because the church of the Lord, jesus Christ, is what is central here.
• 27:53
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Jesus said upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
• 27:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The church is fully empowered to accomplish everything that is assigned to it by the Lord.
• 28:03
  Oscar Navarro: Jesus.
• 28:04
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Christ Seminaries are an extension of multiple churches, saying you know, we can pool our resources, we can pool our faithfulness in order to train pastors together.
• 28:13
  Dr. Albert Mohler: If the state says that institution has to be unfaithful, then just kill the institution.
• 28:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So I will say this as the president of what is arguably the largest theological seminary serving the largest evangelical denomination If they say it's compromise or die, then kill it.
• 28:31
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I don't think it will come to that for all institutions, for one reason, and that is we are entirely basically just owned and operated by the Southern Baptist Convention and its churches.
• 28:42
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Our trustees are only the trustees elected by the churches of the Southern Baptist Convention.
• 28:47
  Dr. Albert Mohler: In other words, we've got nowhere to go if the Southern Baptist Convention does its job.
• 28:55
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The other thing is look, let's be really clear.
• 28:57
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We do not at either the college or the seminary.
• 29:01
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We do not and have never taken a penny of tax money the moment you take Caesar's money, guess what?
• 29:07
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Caesar's means it tells you what to teach.
• 29:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So a lot of Christian academic institutions are just absolutely dependent upon that federal funding through student loans and everything.
• 29:19
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We never played that game.
• 29:20
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So they can't even come at us retrospectively and I would say, just stay not only connected to the church but absolutely accountable to the church.
• 29:30
  Emeal Zwayne: I think that people rule out that thought.
• 29:33
  Emeal Zwayne: I think a lot of times, unfortunately, christian leaders of institutions and churches have this mindset and attitude of well, obviously we have to keep going.
• 29:43
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I have, especially college and university presidents say that to me and I just have to say no, you don't, I love that.
• 29:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and that's the problem, right, it's like no, no, no, obviously we've got to figure away how can we still stay and not compromise.
• 29:57
  Emeal Zwayne: But it always ends in compromise inevitably.
• 30:00
  Emeal Zwayne: If you're not willing to say well, then let it die because we're not going to compromise.
• 30:05
  Emeal Zwayne: God's Word.
• 30:06
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's right, and you know we're about to find out where everybody stands.
• 30:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The great sift that's going on right now is going on so fast.
• 30:12
  Dr. Albert Mohler: One of the things I write and talk about a lot these days is the notion of social velocity, because you know through most of your history that velocity has been really slow.
• 30:21
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know, basically you did what your father did, who did what his father did, who did what his father did.
• 30:26
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You're a blacksmith because your whole family's made up of blacksmiths.
• 30:31
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Your last name's blacksmith, Right exactly Exactly, but social velocity now is so fast that within a seven-year period in the United States.
• 30:39
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So whatever you think about the polls there at least I think we know intuitively they're onto something here.
• 30:44
  Dr. Albert Mohler: When, in within a seven-year period, when we went from 70% of Americans saying same-sex marriage should not be legal to 70% of Americans saying same-sex marriage should be legal, well, those by definition are kind of the same people, and so that just shows you how the velocity of social change has utterly transformed our times, which is one of the reasons why people who think they're up-to-date need to understand that up-to-date is, in terms of addressing these issues, a fatal assumption.
• 31:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, no, yeah.
• 31:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Doctor, let me ask you this In light of the growing hostility toward Christianity in America, do you personally sense that there is going to be nuanced persecution coming our way?
• 31:27
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, it's interesting the way you put it nuanced persecution.
• 31:30
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's sort of like you know, liquid ice, you know.
• 31:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: In other words, I don't know what, I know what you mean.
• 31:38
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And I think what you mean is we're not at this point honestly talking about persecution as in the scripture, which says you've not yet been persecuted.
• 31:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's exactly what I mean.
• 31:48
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean we're seeing forms of it here and there, but I'm talking in a major sense.
• 31:52
  Dr. Albert Mohler: No, no, I get that, and so I just want to say I'm always a little embarrassed in answering this question when I've been in parts of the world where people are dying.
• 32:02
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's good.
• 32:03
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's good Because of their commitment to Jesus Christ.
• 32:06
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I think what we're going to face is the loss of social privilege, social status, social standing, our social capital is going to be completely cashed out.
• 32:14
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We've got to raise children who are going to pay an enormous price professionally, personally, relationally and culturally just for identifying as a Christian in a serious way, and that's a radical reversal of the situation in this country just over the last half century.
• 32:31
  Dr. Albert Mohler: To make your point, I think the very organized ways of attempting to marginalize Christians are already very much in play, and so that is a form of persecution.
• 32:42
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yes, I just humbly want to be careful with the language I'm saying.
• 32:46
  Dr. Albert Mohler: They're going to try to marginalize silence.
• 32:48
  Dr. Albert Mohler: They're going to make it as costly as possible to be a Christian.
• 32:51
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I don't really foresee the day when armed troops show up at the door of the Calvary Church and say you can't preach the gospel anymore.
• 33:00
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I think what they're going to do is the professions are going to say you can't be an attorney anymore.
• 33:04
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I think the prestigious universities are going to say you can't be a student here anymore.
• 33:08
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Some neighborhoods are going to say you can't live here anymore, and so that's going to be an enormous cost.
• 33:13
  Emeal Zwayne: You know.
• 33:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Sorry, oscar, I just want to say this and I'll let Oscar jump in but not long ago I spoke at a pretty prestigious Christian university and I wondered after I left there about the name and how that's going to look on the students' resumes as things get worse for Christians.
• 33:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Because it had a very pronounced Christian name and I just saw, man, how's that going to look?
• 33:37
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, you graduated from such and such Christian university.
• 33:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, we've got a problem.
• 33:43
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, you know, that's a brilliant thought and it's something that I'm watching right now.
• 33:46
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So, for instance, the New York Times had a big story about a Christian college historic Christian college in New York that had fired a couple of people over LGBTQ issues.
• 33:57
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And the interesting thing is and this is a phenomenon you're going to watch the press immediately went to the LGBTQ alumni of that college, who had already organized and so you can see.
• 34:10
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Okay, so this is an effort just to try to shame this college, supposedly with its own alumni.
• 34:15
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Now I want to say in defense of any college okay, doesn't mean to say this, just like of any pastor, there are going to be some people who are former members of your church for whom you are simply not responsible, except for the former part.
• 34:28
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah right, you know, and there are some graduates of every institution that know if you're of any size.
• 34:35
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But it depends upon what does the institution believe, what does it teach and what does it hold without reservation, without hesitation.
• 34:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And that's where I think you're going to see an awful lot of these schools where people are going to say you know you're hurting my professional chances when the school takes this stand.
• 34:55
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know you are discounting the value and this can get delitigation you're discounting the value of my degree when you take that kind of stand.
• 35:04
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And we're about to find out where everybody is.
• 35:07
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It's not only the schools, but the alumni of those schools.
• 35:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're about to find out where they are too.
• 35:12
  Oscar Navarro: We're talking a lot about all of these cultural issues, whether it's LGBTQ, education.
• 35:16
  Oscar Navarro: Students, as the conservative in me, could get scared and hopeless.
• 35:22
  Oscar Navarro: But the Christian has hope.
• 35:25
  Oscar Navarro: Talk about because you are on the front lines.
• 35:27
  Oscar Navarro: I feel like you, better than most, know the dangers.
• 35:30
  Oscar Navarro: How, in the midst of all of the news that's coming out, do you have?
• 35:34
  Oscar Navarro: How does the gospel inform your hopefulness in the midst of all this?
• 35:37
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, this is where I want to put two words and say they're not identical, but like a Venn diagram, they overlap a lot.
• 35:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And so use the word conservative and the word Christian.
• 35:49
  Dr. Albert Mohler: People don't recognize that both Christianity and conservatism are based upon the understanding that things are about to get worse, and that is simply because of the effect of sin and the consequences of God's judgment.
• 36:03
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And so the whole essence of the word conservatism comes down to conserve, and it's the attempt to conserve the principles, the first things, the truths that are endangered by those who want to unravel them.
• 36:17
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So you're trying to conserve them.
• 36:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You're trying to conserve marriage, conserve the family, conserve religious liberty.
• 36:23
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Christianity is based in a biblical understanding and I think it was Augustine, the early church father, who really got to this more clearly than anyone else which is the world is about to get worse.
• 36:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: So preach the gospel, raise your children in the nurturing admonition of the Lord and buy a, buy a piece of property and Plant seeds and show the glory of God, because Things can get a lot worse in the society and actually get better for the church and better for the family, simply by contrast.
• 36:59
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The issue is, we've got to see what is the coming thing and what is the passing thing and make certain that we are Staking our lives on the coming thing, not the passing thing.
• 37:12
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, and I love, I love to look at that, love the.
• 37:14
  Oscar Navarro: You mentioned Augustine, and I love to look at the early church because, as mentioned before, they faced an anti-Christian culture in Rome, right Like they were at one point after Constantine.
• 37:25
  Oscar Navarro: They were kicked out of the public sphere, they were kicked out of education, and yet it was in the midst of that.
• 37:30
  Oscar Navarro: Let's call it social persecution.
• 37:32
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, in the midst of that social persecution is where the church Exploded because the gospel, faithful Christians Proclaimed the gospel and raised their children in the midst of that.
• 37:43
  Oscar Navarro: And so in some ways yeah, you mentioned sifting, and I think of first Peter, the refining by fire One of the the hopes is is one of the good things is, while the fire hurts and it's burning up the impurities, it also creates something way more refined and, dare I say, way more potent.
• 37:59
  Oscar Navarro: And so the hope, I think, comes from from history, and it comes from a promise, of course, of our savior in which he says the Gates of hell not prevail right and the.
• 38:08
  Dr. Albert Mohler: the scripture gives us an Understanding of the unfolding of history, so it's not like we're left in a great mystery, as to how the story ends right with, but with creation, fall redemption and new creation.
• 38:18
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We know two things in a Christian eschatology.
• 38:22
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We know number one this world is going to pass away.
• 38:25
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We also know that in the kingdom of Christ all things will be made well.
• 38:30
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're never promised that in this world all things will be made well.
• 38:33
  Ray Comfort: We're told the opposite.
• 38:34
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Now and, and it's gonna be a fight to the very end.
• 38:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: You know, you read the book of Revelation yeah, things just don't get better and better.
• 38:39
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That was the old Protestant liberalism of the 20th century I mean, which, by the way, was pretty much destroyed by two World Wars in the Holocaust.
• 38:46
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I one other thought here for a Christians is that there, this is really good biblical argument For finding hope, first of all, of course, in the gospel of Jesus Christ, but finding hope in the fact that God has given us creation order gifts, yeah, which we are to use in the kingdom of Christ in this world as it's visible, and then to show the glory of God.
• 39:10
  Dr. Albert Mohler: What obedience to the scripture looks like so we raise our children in the urgent admonition of the Lord.
• 39:15
  Dr. Albert Mohler: By the way, if you're gonna raise them, you got to have them.
• 39:17
  Ray Comfort: That means we honor marriage.
• 39:20
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We go back to the first principles.
• 39:21
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We live by the first things.
• 39:22
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We go back to Genesis one and Genesis two.
• 39:24
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And then, you know I think of Jeremiah, because I mentioned Augustine one of the heresies that Augustine had to face in the late Roman Empire Was Christians who said none of this matter, so don't plan any more crops right, yeah, you know.
• 39:37
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Augustine came back Actually, the Pallagians made that argument and Augustine comes back and says no, plant the field.
• 39:44
  Dr. Albert Mohler: That's what God's commanded us to do, right and?
• 39:46
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And, by the way, there are many good things to planting a field.
• 39:48
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Number one there's an organic reality there.
• 39:51
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Number two you get to feed your family.
• 39:52
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Number two you keep the kids busy.
• 39:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But beyond that the other thing is remember that that's in the Old Testament.
• 39:59
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Even in exile, through the prophet Jeremiah, the Lord says Buy a field, yeah, plant it yes.
• 40:07
  Dr. Albert Mohler: There's good work for us to do yeah amen.
• 40:09
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Love that.
• 40:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I have one more question before we wrap up here.
• 40:11
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, while we can never sacrifice Truth on the altar of unity, we've seen what's happened in the ecumenical world.
• 40:20
  Emeal Zwayne: We don't want that as Christians, but at the same time, how do we promote unity, especially in these times, between churches, christians who may differ on secondary, tertiary issues, for the sake of the gospel and influencing the culture?
• 40:36
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, it's becoming increasingly difficult for the reason that, you know, christians Often do not think about what is the necessary ground of doctrinal agreement.
• 40:47
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, for us to do X or Y, like if you want to be a member of my church, you got to go with the entire confession of faith.
• 40:53
  Dr. Albert Mohler: If we're talking about going to share the gospel with people in a foreign land, I can.
• 40:58
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I can do that with someone who may disagree with me on eschatology.
• 41:03
  Mark Spence: Yeah again.
• 41:04
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're living in an age of such theological apostasy.
• 41:07
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The problem is that there are a lot of churches that, frankly, are the enemies of the gospel right, and so I honestly think that this is one of those situations in which pastors and Christians have to have Just constant vigilance and and constant attention.
• 41:22
  Dr. Albert Mohler: But the unity of the church, of the church of the Lord Jesus Christ, is in Christ.
• 41:27
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah so we do not achieve that unity.
• 41:29
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It is accomplished by Christ.
• 41:30
  Dr. Albert Mohler: The question is how do faithful churches honor Christ in such a way that we will find gospel churches doing the right kind of gospel work?
• 41:40
  Dr. Albert Mohler: And I do think the what you talked about is kind of a nuanced persecution.
• 41:46
  Dr. Albert Mohler: I do think the the context in which we are now is that, pretty fast, we're figuring out who's standing by the gospel.
• 41:52
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're pretty much figuring out which churches are ordered by scripture.
• 41:56
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Yeah, we're finding out the hard way, but we're finding out.
• 42:00
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's great.
• 42:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, dr More, thank you so much for joining us today.
• 42:04
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean this has been pretty much fellowship for us.
• 42:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I know I'm walking away edified.
• 42:08
  Emeal Zwayne: I know Oscar is as well.
• 42:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you again for just standing on the front lines and for fighting and being an example to so many of us, because those examples are getting fewer and fewer, unfortunately, and so we're grateful for you.
• 42:20
  Emeal Zwayne: We know there's the briefing.
• 42:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Is there any anywhere else that people can connect with you?
• 42:24
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Well, the entire website, albert Miller, calm the briefings five days a week.
• 42:27
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We also I also did the program thinking in public, where I'm in conversation with people I think Christians ought to to think about now, and sometimes that means People who are certainly not Christians Hmm, yeah, just to get their ideas out there, and I Think that's one of the fun things that Christians can do.
• 42:45
  Dr. Albert Mohler: It's one thing that Christian parents can do with their kids, yeah, and that is what's Christians thinking and say well, how faithful was that?
• 42:52
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Hmm, what can we learn from that?
• 42:54
  Dr. Albert Mohler: Here's a clash of worldviews.
• 42:56
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We're not afraid of that.
• 42:57
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We don't understand what's going on there.
• 42:59
  Dr. Albert Mohler: We want to prepare you for that?
• 43:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's great.
• 43:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, thanks again for joining us and again, I hope we get the privilege to connect again with you in the future.
• 43:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm gonna count on it, Thank you.
• 43:09
  Emeal Zwayne: I Love meeting brilliant people, thank you, who, unlike Oscar, are also Godly people who demonstrate that in their lives.
• 43:21
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, I recently saw a post by dr Mohler where he called his wife magnificent Mary, and he was just being very sweet about her.
• 43:29
  Emeal Zwayne: It was, I think it was her birthday in his post, and I love that.
• 43:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Men that are not so busy With the master's work, that they're too busy for the master, and and that's evidenced in the way that they love their family and Others in the morning he wakes up and is like it's June 20th 2023.
• 43:48
  Oscar Navarro: Here is your coffee.
• 43:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, mark, the briefing is pretty brilliant, isn't it?
• 43:53
  Mark Spence: it is.
• 43:53
  Mark Spence: It's about 24 to 25 minutes long and I don't know how he keeps up with it, but it's every day, monday through Friday.
• 44:00
  Mark Spence: He does take a, I think, a month off sometime during the year yeah, to tend to his chickens He'll probably get some now.
• 44:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, ray, I think people hear dr Mohler and they heard what we discussed with him and how he just kind of comes up with those things on the spot.
• 44:17
  Emeal Zwayne: He has to because the news has happened so fast.
• 44:19
  Emeal Zwayne: But we're all so different and I think sometimes people are Tripped out by how quickly you can write a book.
• 44:26
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, you've written over a hundred, is it?
• 44:30
  Emeal Zwayne: An urgency to get an urgency to get it done, or do you enjoy the process?
• 44:36
  Ray Comfort: It's an urgency to get it done and I enjoy the process.
• 44:42
  Emeal Zwayne: You had your talking points given deep thoughts with a rake on.
• 44:45
  Emeal Zwayne: But, ray, seriously, what is behind that?
• 44:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Your prolific Kind of approach to writing?
• 44:51
  Ray Comfort: I hated writing when I was in school.
• 44:53
  Ray Comfort: I was in English, I don't, I just scraped past past English.
• 44:57
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and if didn't pass English, you just didn't move on.
• 45:00
  Ray Comfort: He didn't graduate, and.
• 45:02
  Ray Comfort: But when I became a Christian, I had something to write about.
• 45:04
  Ray Comfort: I think that's it.
• 45:05
  Emeal Zwayne: That's it, that's a passion and and that thought of the outcome and the repercussions of doing that people being touched.
• 45:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's good.
• 45:14
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, france, we hope you enjoyed that wonderful interview with dr Albert Mohler.
• 45:18
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• 45:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us.
• 45:28
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll see you here next time.
• 45:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Did you just yawn?
• 45:31
  Ray Comfort: Ray, I saw Oscar yawn and he started me off.
• 45:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh, I'm just thinking we're done.
• 45:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Contagious young is being what?
• 45:37
  Ray Comfort: four hours podcast.
• 45:38
  Emeal Zwayne: We've done a lot of podcast.
• 45:39
  Emeal Zwayne: It's 9 am.
• 45:39
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, all right, friends.
• 45:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Once again, thank you for joining us.
• 45:43
  Emeal Zwayne: We'll see you here next time on the living waters Podcast, where we have no idea although dr Albert Mohler has many ideas what he's doing we have no idea what we're doing you.