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The Golden Divorce · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to a breaking news episode of the
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  Speaker 2: Almost Samos podcast. It is Ashley and I am joined
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  Speaker 2: by Trista Sutter and Bob Guiney, who you guys may
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  Speaker 2: know do the spinoff of Almost Say Miss, which is
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  Speaker 2: Almost Samoss Bo geez, and we're grateful to have them
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  Speaker 2: here to break down their thoughts and feelings on the
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor divorce. It's very sad, very sad, but I
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  Speaker 2: got lots of feelings that I can't wait to talk
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  Speaker 2: about them with you guys from all different sorts of
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  Speaker 2: perspectives before we rip into these two and try to
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  Speaker 2: overanalyze everything that we truly don't know. I do want
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  Speaker 2: to say that, of course, divorce is horrible. It's horrible.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's very sad situation. We wanted them to have
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  Speaker 2: a happy ending. But you know what, in the Good
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  Speaker 2: Morning America interview, they honestly seem like they're both in
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  Speaker 2: good places. So let's let the analyzation go forth. First,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna start with you guys, oh geez, members of
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation, and then Bob, you are going to talk
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  Speaker 2: to super fan and Jenny Garth about how she's feeling
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  Speaker 2: because she was really into this couple. Yeah, I'm also
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  Speaker 2: going to talk to some normies, some New Army grandma fans,
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  Speaker 2: see how they're responding to their generations, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: version of the franchise kind of going south very quickly.
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  Speaker 2: And then we're also going to have Bachelor data on
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  Speaker 2: and she is going to give us some stats about
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  Speaker 2: just marriage and the Bachelor franchise and like whether she
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  Speaker 2: has any insight on whether this one was gonna come
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  Speaker 2: so soon?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 4: Can you when you talk to her, well, you ask
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  Speaker 4: her what she never includes me and her data?
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't why your because you drag you would like
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  Speaker 2: make everything so high because like you're twenty marriage just
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, just like it's like whoa.
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  Speaker 5: My classes growing up? Because she would have just ruined
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  Speaker 5: the curve.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know, Trista, you have such a gap between
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  Speaker 2: your like getting together in marriage to the next one
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  Speaker 2: because isn't the next one Jason? So how many years
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  Speaker 2: then span like over ten?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I think that they are just celebrating.
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  Speaker 6: Their eleven Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, see that's why. Yeah, I know, I'll ask her,
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  Speaker 2: I'll ask her, okay, so let let me go first.
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  Speaker 2: My initial reaction was, Wow, I can't believe this happened
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  Speaker 2: so fast. Why the three months? I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I told you. I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: was so incredibly sick at their wedding, I was ten
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  Speaker 2: weeks pregnant and now I'm twenty four, so it was
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  Speaker 2: fourteen weeks. It was a it was a trimester. They
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  Speaker 2: were married for a tris.
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  Speaker 5: That's how we keep scoring, that's how we keep track
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  Speaker 5: of time, and when you're mom and it up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I definitely thought it was weird they were
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  Speaker 2: getting married so soon. I've been very vocal about that.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, four months, why would you ever get
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  Speaker 2: married after four months of knowing each other? It's not
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  Speaker 2: even a four month engagement. It was four months of
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  Speaker 2: knowing each other, and most of those months they were
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  Speaker 2: even actually in the same room, and people like they
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  Speaker 2: would only we were actually only like we're a couple
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  Speaker 2: that were announced about a month. Four weeks. Yeah, from
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  Speaker 2: like the finale to their their wedding.
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  Speaker 4: That may be something for future people to take into account.
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  Speaker 4: You know, from here on they they have their like
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  Speaker 4: they have a big, long life. That they've lived and
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  Speaker 4: they know themselves. Like all these things that like younger
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  Speaker 4: people kind of fight against is do you even know yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what you.
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  Speaker 2: Want out of life?
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  Speaker 4: Do you know the kind of partner that you want?
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like they both were there, they knew
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  Speaker 4: exactly what they were looking for, right, And so I
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  Speaker 4: think that time element definitely is an interesting factor because
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  Speaker 4: I thought personally when they did announce that they were
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  Speaker 4: going to be getting married so quickly, I thought, well,
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  Speaker 4: good for them, because if they know, they know, then
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  Speaker 4: just do it, you know what I mean. But now
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  Speaker 4: hindsight's twenty twenty and you're like, whoa, maybe you should
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  Speaker 4: have taken a beat, you know, and and lived in
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  Speaker 4: the same home for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Well they still haven't even moved into the same home.
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  Speaker 5: That's that was news that just came out last week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they living separately, and I mean, I can I can
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  Speaker 5: tell you. I mean, you know it has a divorced man.
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  Speaker 5: You know, when my ex wife and I started living
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  Speaker 5: on opposite coasts, it just it was the nail in
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  Speaker 5: the coffin. And I feel like, when you have it
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  Speaker 5: even here's here's what I was thinking about. What you
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  Speaker 5: said Ashley, Like I agree with Ashley, Like I was like,
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  Speaker 5: why are they rushing this? It's like, you know, all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: There's like so seventy seventy two, Like why would you
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  Speaker 2: rust that? It's not like there's like no biological clock.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I don't get it. Even in the case
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  Speaker 2: of a biological clock, like you don't have to rush
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  Speaker 2: that fast all moment.
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  Speaker 5: No part of me too is kind of like something
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  Speaker 5: must have been fundamentally flawed from the jump, because you
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  Speaker 5: don't let someone spend a couple million bucks on your
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  Speaker 5: wedding and televise it for the world to see to
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  Speaker 5: then just allow it to crash and burn so quickly.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like, are we not willing to try and
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  Speaker 5: get into some counseling? I mean, are we not willing
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  Speaker 5: to try and to know each other a little bit
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  Speaker 5: better and maybe pump the brakes and you know, maybe
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  Speaker 5: they don't live the life of a married couple, like
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  Speaker 5: a hardcore married couple at this moment, because they're already
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  Speaker 5: living separately.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe they just sort of take a few minutes
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know, try to salvage this
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  Speaker 3: whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's why this is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that's I don't think that's so. I
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  Speaker 4: think clearly, like about feelings or values or something that
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  Speaker 4: they might be able to talk through in therapy, then
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  Speaker 4: I think that, yeah, that would be a good idea.
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  Speaker 4: So I reached out to Angie, who's Gary's daughter, and
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  Speaker 4: just said, hey, you tell will you tell your dad?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just sending him a virtual hug. I'm sorry to
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  Speaker 4: hear the news this morning. And she was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: here's his number, you know, thank you, but why don't
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  Speaker 4: you reach out to him? So so I did, and
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  Speaker 4: I personally think that it wasn't something that could be,
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  Speaker 4: Like they love each other, I think from like the
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  Speaker 4: People article. I read the People article, and they both
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  Speaker 4: still love each other, but there's only so much love
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  Speaker 4: can get over. So if one person is living in
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  Speaker 4: one place and the other is living in another and
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  Speaker 4: they just can't compromise, then there's nothing to talk about,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like, if you're deciding to prioritize,
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  Speaker 4: you know, where you're living currently, then I think it's
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  Speaker 4: just it should have been discussed. I feel like, but they.
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  Speaker 7: Should have would it could?
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't help anyone, right, so I just feel bad,
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  Speaker 4: But I do feel like they if they were adamant
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  Speaker 4: that both of them were going to live where they
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  Speaker 4: live now right then that should have been like discussed.
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  Speaker 4: And and I think that anyone in the future going
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  Speaker 4: on the show, even being part of a relationship, can
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  Speaker 4: learn from this that you really do need to talk
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  Speaker 4: about like the realistic you know, like the logistics of
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  Speaker 4: a relationship. You should be in the same place to
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  Speaker 4: make it work. You really do need, I feel like,
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  Speaker 4: to be the same thing you have to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, because maybe I'm just
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  Speaker 2: totally warped, but I just feel like at their age
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  Speaker 2: that they just kind of want to They just need
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  Speaker 2: a companionship. But it doesn't have to be one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent full time companionship. It's like think about like the
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  Speaker 2: older people who have like a boyfriend in a different state,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just like, oh, my boyfriend, and like they
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  Speaker 2: visit each other once a month twice, you know, twice
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  Speaker 2: a month. I don't know that they needed to uproot
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  Speaker 2: their entire lives to keep the marriage alive. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't know that I buy the whole like location is
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  Speaker 2: the reason we're divorcing after three months. That just feels
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  Speaker 2: really extreme, and I really think that there's a way
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  Speaker 2: to get around it, especially as retired people who yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I know like it, travel is expensive, but you're telling
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  Speaker 2: me that, like you're supposedly still in love aka the
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  Speaker 2: Good Morning America interview, but like after three months you
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  Speaker 2: realize that you just can't dedicate your time to traveling
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  Speaker 2: for each other. I don't know. I don't buy it,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't want to like talk, especially when Trista,
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  Speaker 2: like you are in you know, you're you're friendly with
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  Speaker 2: the family, But there's something weird about this, Like why I.
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  Speaker 6: Do hear that?
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  Speaker 4: I think that if you are in love, then you're right,
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  Speaker 4: Like you know I just said two seconds ago, like oh,
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  Speaker 4: love can only conquer so much, but you're right, Like
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  Speaker 4: if you if you truly are going to prioritize the
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  Speaker 4: love that you feel for each other, then you'll make
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  Speaker 4: it work. But I, I just I just don't know
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  Speaker 4: if the timing is right. And I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: they realized until after they had said their vows. I'm
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  Speaker 4: just going to.
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  Speaker 5: Say this as as a person who's gone through divorce, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: gonna say you can't you don't.
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  Speaker 3: You don't take that step lightly.
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  Speaker 5: Is dope and it's and it's like, I don't care
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  Speaker 5: if you want the divorce or you don't want the divorce.
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  Speaker 3: It sucks no matter what. And when you're gonna go through.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm sorry to throw this extra wrinkle on there,
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  Speaker 5: but I do think there's something to be said about
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  Speaker 5: this when you're gonna go through such public scrutiny like
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  Speaker 5: they're they're they're gonna get just I mean, I agree,
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  Speaker 5: I get they're older and so maybe they won't get it.
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  Speaker 3: As bad, but they're getting shredded. And it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's like, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 3: you don't.
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  Speaker 5: You don't make that step without exhausting everything that you
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  Speaker 5: can exhaust if you truly love that person. And I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I can say as as someone who went through a divorce,
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  Speaker 5: and my wife Kenyon knows this, I say this.
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  Speaker 3: To all the time. I'm like, I never stopped caring
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  Speaker 3: about her, loving her.
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  Speaker 5: It was that we tried everything we could and we
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  Speaker 5: realized we just weren't compatible.
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't it wasn't me living in la and
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  Speaker 3: her living in New York it was much more than that.
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  Speaker 3: That was just the extraw that broke Camels back, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like, if you're a couple that all you've
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  Speaker 5: ever known is living apart with them, then I have
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  Speaker 5: a hard time, like Ashley's saying, I have a hard
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  Speaker 5: time accepting the fact that the fact that they weren't
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  Speaker 5: going to live together is why they're getting divorced.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like I just listen to the Good Morning America interview
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just was like, this is total bs because
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like there it was being that there's
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  Speaker 2: something phony about it, the way that they were even
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  Speaker 2: like holding hands and being so cuddly and stuff. The
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  Speaker 2: interviewer is like, you guys are holding hands, like you
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  Speaker 2: still and they're like, yeah, we still love each other
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  Speaker 2: so much, like we're still in love. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you're still in I can understand you saying like you
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  Speaker 2: have love for each other support there, but you're telling
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  Speaker 2: me that you're in love and then the only reason
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  Speaker 2: here is is distance. But I just I feel like
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  Speaker 2: distance and location is the only is just the easiest
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  Speaker 2: way to explain to the fandom. It is the lightest way.
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  Speaker 2: It's the lightest way, right. It's the way that people
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be like, oh man, that's unfortunate, you know, distance.
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  Speaker 2: But like, really, I think there was a fun mental
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  Speaker 2: flaws there and they just found out because they didn't
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  Speaker 2: have enough time together.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I have one other thing I was thinking about
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  Speaker 5: earlier too, and this is something to talk about. I
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  Speaker 5: know how much I hated it when Stella and I
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  Speaker 5: split up, and it was like, you know, all these
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  Speaker 5: people chiming in of you know, oh well this and
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  Speaker 5: that it's and you're just like and I remember reading
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  Speaker 5: that stuff, going that's not true. But you know, but
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  Speaker 5: then once a while, someone would, you know, someone would
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  Speaker 5: say something and you'd be like, well, I guess there's
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  Speaker 5: some truth to that, you know, or whatever. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of stuff came out after after Gary, you know,
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  Speaker 5: became the Bachelor, Golden Bachelor, and some of it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: so flattering from some of his exes, like you know,
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  Speaker 5: oh well he was really weird about money, or it
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  Speaker 5: was this, or it was that, you know, And I
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  Speaker 5: remember reading some of that stuff and going, I hope
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  Speaker 5: that's not true.
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  Speaker 3: But it was like was in one ear and.
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  Speaker 5: Out the other, you know, So you got to wonder, like,
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  Speaker 5: now as that stuff starts to play out, you know,
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  Speaker 5: now you here we are, three months, not even a
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  Speaker 5: trimester later, and split it up, and it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you gotta wonder, is there some validity to some of
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  Speaker 5: that stuff? Like, I mean, this was an ACTU was
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  Speaker 5: jilted saying, you know, he was like this and like that,
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  Speaker 5: so he's not that great or whatever.
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  Speaker 8: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I get it.
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  Speaker 5: People when they break up, they have harsh opinions, and
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  Speaker 5: some of it's based in truth and some of it's
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  Speaker 5: just completely from you know, left field. But I just
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  Speaker 5: feel like maybe there is something to some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Good Morning America interview, she said that
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  Speaker 2: that article was no big deal to her. She said
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  Speaker 2: that they had already talked everything that was in the
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  Speaker 2: article out before the article even came out. So I
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  Speaker 2: think that means that there is some validity to what
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  Speaker 2: was in the article. But I can't I can't get
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  Speaker 2: rid of that feeling that it did have something to
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  Speaker 2: do with it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no one knows. Right, we can all sit here
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  Speaker 4: and talk until our anything, like, we can talk all day,
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  Speaker 4: but no one will know except for them. No one's
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  Speaker 4: ever going to know exactly why, and it just makes
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  Speaker 4: me sad, Like as the fairy godmother. I just you know,
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  Speaker 4: I've always said that I feel maternal and it's weird
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  Speaker 4: because they're older than me. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: like I I root for everybody and being there at
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  Speaker 4: their wedding and in and feeling the love like I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was gonna it was gonna last, especially longer
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  Speaker 4: than three months. So I'm just sad, you know, It's
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  Speaker 4: just it's just a bummer. I just I had hopes,
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  Speaker 4: but I just don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just sad.
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  Speaker 2: It's a well, well, Bob, we want you to give
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  Speaker 2: Jenny Garth a chance to give her thoughts and opinions
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  Speaker 2: on this, so I want to toss it over to you,
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll come back and we'll do a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a Grandma interview.
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  Speaker 10: Almost famous.
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  Speaker 5: I am here, Bob, getting of cour with our special guest,
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  Speaker 5: Jenny Garth. Jenny long, you know, longtime friend of the show.
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  Speaker 5: You know I'm a huge fan and a longtime friend.
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  Speaker 5: I want to say for the record that I woke
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  Speaker 5: up this morning for whatever reason, at like five in
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  Speaker 5: the morning, and I looked at my phone and I
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  Speaker 5: saw a breaking news US weekly thing and I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: this has got to be a joke, right, So I
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  Speaker 5: don't click on it because I think it's gonna be like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, something that's like clickbait, and I can't tell
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  Speaker 5: yet if it's if it's actually for real. Then at
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  Speaker 5: about eight o'clock this morning, I see it and it
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  Speaker 5: is for real. So yes, Gary and Teresa from The
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  Speaker 5: Golden Bachelor literally have been married for three months. I
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  Speaker 5: mean I've I've probably wore socks longer than that. I
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  Speaker 5: don't understand what the hell's going on here? Three months
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  Speaker 5: and they can't even go to counseling.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, what, okay, Jenny, I they have the tear
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  Speaker 11: picture and everything, it's over, but three months. My first
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  Speaker 11: marriage was longer than months, and this is like their
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  Speaker 11: last marriage.
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  Speaker 6: So you would think that they would have a drown
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  Speaker 6: by now.
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  Speaker 8: Or at least be willing to fight for it a
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  Speaker 8: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't understand this.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I am truly devastated.
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  Speaker 11: I feel like my mom and dad are getting a divorce.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, you know, one of my friends today
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  Speaker 5: who is a big fan of the show, and he
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  Speaker 5: wrote me it's like a guy's threat and this one
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  Speaker 5: buddy of ours, and we all tease him because you know,
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  Speaker 5: we'll be watching like the National Championship game and he'll
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  Speaker 5: be watching, you know, Golden Bachelor or whatever, and so
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  Speaker 5: we were all teasing him about just his love of
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  Speaker 5: the whole thing. And this morning he calls me and
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  Speaker 5: writes me on the side and then calls me and
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  Speaker 5: he's like, honestly, I'm devastated right now.
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  Speaker 8: He's like, I can't understand how you would.
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  Speaker 3: Go through such a process.
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  Speaker 8: And he's like, don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, there's something to be said about this
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: part too, Jenny, And I know you're a big fan
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: of the show and I have of course lived it, but.
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: It's like, you go through these situations and you get
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: to the end, and you know, usually there's a little
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: bit of time where you get to know each other
• 17:09
  Speaker 8: without the cameras.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: And you know, of course, the greatest success story of
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: the Bachelor franchise Tristan Ryan. You know, they they dated
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: almost a year before they you know, before they got married,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: and but you know, so these two got married pretty quickly,
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: and like you said, you know they're older. You would
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: think they're wiser. You would think that, you know, they
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: they would do at least have due process before you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: pulling the trigger. But they wanted to have that wedding
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: right away. I mean it sounded like it was their thing.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: They wanted to get married right away. They wanted to
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: have the nuptials on TV. So much went into this
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: and now could put I'm.
• 17:44
  Speaker 11: Pretty upset this is But I think I got married
• 17:48
  Speaker 11: in either three months or six months, I can't remember,
• 17:51
  Speaker 11: after meeting a guy, my current husband, and.
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: It's going pretty good.
• 17:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah, like we definitely hit a rough patch because we
• 17:59
  Speaker 11: did rush into but I do think that we took
• 18:03
  Speaker 11: the time to really look at that and then work
• 18:05
  Speaker 11: through it. These guys are just ready to run for
• 18:08
  Speaker 11: the hills, like right away. I guess when you're older
• 18:12
  Speaker 11: and it's later in life, you know, you don't have
• 18:15
  Speaker 11: much time to fool around. If it's not working, get out.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just crazy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 18:22
  Speaker 11: On one hand, good for them for you know, cutting
• 18:25
  Speaker 11: the losses and moving forward and getting on with it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 11: But on the other hand, oh my god, so many
• 18:30
  Speaker 11: people are going to be so disappointed. I feel like
• 18:33
  Speaker 11: this is like, this is upsetting This was appointment television
• 18:38
  Speaker 11: for me and my family.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and we were so invested.
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: I know, I think we all were.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Like I was just talking yesterday about how much I
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: loved that they didn't do stunt casting on this season
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: with Gary, Like it was age appropriate casting, and I
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: thought that was awesome. And you know, for the Bachelor
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: to do that, for that was like going like totally
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: out of the box. They always would throw a few
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: people in there who were you know, randoms and you.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Know, just stir up the sauce.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: They didn't even do that, you know, they they were
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: really respectful.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: It was so real, It felt so real.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I know, this is heartbreaking. I'm with you, Jenny.
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: I feel like I feel like you and I need
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: to go and counsel them.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: We need to either go get therapy or go give
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: them therapy. What do you think is gonna happen?
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: Is you going to go like, is he going to
• 19:24
  Speaker 11: go knocking on you know, somebody else's door now or what?
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: I don't know. Do you think he does like it?
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Do you think he does like an expose where he
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: explains what went wrong in his words and she.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Explains what I mean? Are they going to do something
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Let's hope so because I'll be there for that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 11: But I did another reason where like where it's Gary
• 19:46
  Speaker 11: Part two where they bring him back and it's a
• 19:49
  Speaker 11: do over.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting because there's been so much
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: talk about the Golden Bachelorette and how you know, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: it was based off the success of the Golden Bag.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: So now what, like, does Teresa come back as the
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Golden Bachelorette?
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Who's going to be the Bachelorette?
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: I don't know. They've been kicking it around.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: Teresa come back?
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: Honestly, I mean, could it be?
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: It's true because even like I, I did not want
• 20:16
  Speaker 11: Teresa to take from the ring. I wanted someone else
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: to do it. But that last episode I was just
• 20:22
  Speaker 11: like Gary. I was like, oh, no, Teresa.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: Is the one.
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: Actually, yeah, I know, But it turns out long enough
• 20:29
  Speaker 11: to get to know somebody.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: You know, you gotta wonder. And of course I hate
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: to do this because I you know, I had many
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: a thing written about me post my Bachelor season that
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: wasn't true, But you gotta wonder. Some stuff came out
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: of the woodwork, you know. A couple of Gary's access
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: came forward. Remember that right after the season or kind
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: of in that height of the thing, and you gotta wonder, like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: you know, was any of that stuff, maybe you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: bruin under the surface that we didn't know about and
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: that's what came up.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: Or Yeah, I'm dying to know now, like I need
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: to know now more than.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we're gonna find out.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: I'm sure we're gonna find out very soon.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: Well, I will be on the edge of my seat.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: All right, Jenny, I know you're almost to your destination,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: So let's just let's just say, let's just say what
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: we're really feeling here.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I feel betrayed a little bit.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: And you know, first of all, Trista and I go
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: through this every day on the show.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: She was invited to the Golden Wedding.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I wasn't.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: I've been. I've brought it up many a time, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: now I think they're wishing they would have invited me.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Perhaps the outcome would have been different.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: Maybe Braden and Christina will work out better.
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Somebody's bound to. I mean, my god, they've got to.
• 21:42
  Speaker 11: You know that picture with the tear mark between them.
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: I've had a couple of those, and you probably have to.
• 21:47
  Speaker 11: But when I saw that this morning, yeah, I was
• 21:50
  Speaker 11: pretty devastated.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you and me both. And you know it's funny.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you feel this way when it's
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: celebrity gossip, but I've seen many of them in US
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Weekly and you know, Star and whoever else is around.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: But when TMZ reports it, I'm like, this must be true, right.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know why I.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Feel that way, but I feel like they won't put
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: anything up that hasn't at least been vetted a little
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: bit in the race to be like first. And I'm
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: always like when I saw it on TMZ, which was
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: later in the day, because in the morning, I first
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: I saw it as Weekly, then I saw it on
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: some other like just Jared or something, and then all
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, boom, it pops up on TMZ.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's it. It's official.
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: It is official, like herpes.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't think there's anything you can take
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: to make this one go away.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: I know it's so sad.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I have to go.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: I need to cry a little.
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: I know it is a bummer.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Sorry, I feel forsa.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: I know part of me feels like I don't know.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: I feel like she was sort of like.
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: I mean, I'm not blaming Gary here because I don't
• 22:59
  Speaker 12: know either one of them, but it's like part of
• 23:02
  Speaker 12: me feels like, for whatever reason, I don't know, do
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: you think you think they felt pressure like they had to.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Get married right away, or do you think that they
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: I mean, either they felt pressured and they felt like
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: they had to do it for the sake of the
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: show and they were pressured into it that way, or
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: they felt like time is of the essence, right you
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: getting up there, or they just were like, let's throw
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: caution to the wind and let's do whatever we want
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: because we're golden, you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Know, exactly.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Or maybe it was a combination of all of
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: those things and it was just like they had to
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: make the big jump. But it was kind of fishy
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: that neither one of them ever was willing to move
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: to the other or to be at least in a
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: find a place that worked for both of them. I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: that's been something that's been kind of bantered about a
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: little bit. I mean, they've been married for three months
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: and they still live separately.
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: Really, yeah, were they geographically undesirable were they like, do
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: they live in different parts of the country.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: I remember reading something that they said to South Carolina
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: might work for them to have like as a as
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: a central place that was close enough to her family
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: and not too far from his or something of that nature.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I guess that doesn't mean anything.
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: Now, well, geez, I mean, I really do wish them
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: both the best, but I do need some good parenting therapy,
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: like divorced therapy work.
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm calling my shrink right after we
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: hang up.
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: I need I need some help.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: You.
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: Well, thank you for jumping on with us.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I know you're you're going somewhere and you're busy, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: thanks for jumping on and letting us know your thoughts.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously we know you're a big fan of
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: the show and that you you love you know, watching
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the season, and got to be honest, I'm a little
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: what it means.
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: I don't know what it means.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: For a lot of things. You know what I mean,
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Because I mean even in the past, like when the
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: couples would be engaged and wanted to break up, they
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: would get like the production crew would get involved, like
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: they'd be like, well, hold on, let's you know, let's
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: let's have you guys meet up and at least talk
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: and maybe you could talk with someone.
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: And we've been making you keep everything secret for.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: So long all that kind of stuff, so I wonder
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: like if production was sideswiped by this, or if they
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: had a heads up and they've been working on it
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: for like a month, who knows.
• 25:25
  Speaker 11: We need to know that all the details we are
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: inquiring minds and we need to know that's right.
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: Amy Sugarman will probably be able to find out.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: She knows everything.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: She'll give us the dirt, She'll get it for us.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Jenny gar, thank you for being on the show,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: and thanks for thanks for thanks for.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Working through some of my issues with me on this call.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I needed you.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: You're welcome. I'm always here for you, Bob. I appreciate it.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: And if I get more details, we'll call you back
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: and we'll get you back on so we can talk
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 14: Okay, bye bye, Well, Bob, thank you for that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And now we have producer Amy, who we haven't had
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: on this podcast for quite some time here with breaking
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: news along with her mom, Cheryl, who happens to be
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a grandma. So we have two great perspectives.
• 26:20
  Speaker 15: We wanted to give the old person's perspective. But here's
• 26:23
  Speaker 15: what I can say, Ashley, and I thought everything you
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: guys were saying was very astute, like, yes, it is geographic,
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: but that seems a little suspect, right, And so we've
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: heard So I'm going to tell you what sources have
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: been telling us. I just won't reveal my sources. We've
• 26:39
  Speaker 15: heard rumblings of.
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: This since January thirtieth, So.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Why specifically the thirtieth, because.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: It's I can just remember the date when the person.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Told me, okay, and can you give us like a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: general like is this person part of the Bachelor family?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Is this person part of Bachelor very.
• 26:57
  Speaker 15: Well connected to all parties? And what we heard back
• 27:03
  Speaker 15: then was they don't live together, They're never going.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: To live together.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: So I was like, okay, wow, that's interesting.
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: But like you were saying, Ashley, it's like, yeah, a
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: lot of old people could just have a nice companion.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: They go on a cruise I don't know.
• 27:18
  Speaker 15: Every six months, and they live their lives in separate locations.
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: My mom's here, and I'll interject with her because she
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: would never leave her grandchildren or her hair salon.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: I mean, right, a hair salon.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe hair does like beautiful by the way, Cheryl, well,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: thank you?
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: No, I guess well should I I do?
• 27:39
  Speaker 16: My feeling is I'm wondering why what the rush was
• 27:43
  Speaker 16: to get married?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Was it the money? Let's talk about that. We all
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: feel as if they got paid a lot of money
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: to get married on live TV, because that's just how
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: we do in Bachelor Nation. You know, you get married,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: if you get married on the show, you get money.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Because their ratings were so high and they did such
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a quick turnaround with the wedding, we really thought that
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: there was probably a good payday in it for them.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But how cheated do we feel as viewers that like
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: these people? We could assume, maybe wrongly, but we could
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: assume got married or rushed into a wedding for the money.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: I would love to.
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: Hear Triska's perspective on the being paid to have a wedding.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: Also, it does extend.
• 28:32
  Speaker 15: Your fame, right, So if you're if you're starting to
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: like the money and now you're the couple that get
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: married on TV, and Trista you can really speak to
• 28:40
  Speaker 15: that not only did you get paid for the wedding,
• 28:42
  Speaker 15: but I'm sure it helped you with like brand deals
• 28:45
  Speaker 15: following that, I guess, But I just I mean, we.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Didn't have anything.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: Stupidly.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, I wish if we would have, like because
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: like Bob said the other day, he's like, he would
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: be billionaires if social media had been around back then,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: And that would be nice because I'd love to pay
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: my taxes and not worry. But I so I didn't realize.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I didn't really think about the money part of it.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: But You're right that if it was a lot, it
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: was a live wedding, it was quick. And what I
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: was going to say earlier when we were talking is
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: that I guarantee that production had some pressure going on.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: They were applying a lot of pressure to do this quickly.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know that they would have done it had
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: it not been a televised wedding. I highly doubt that
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Gary and Teresa would have been like, we need to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: get ready or get married tomorrow. You know, it was
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: all I would say, all about production, right, yeah, And
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: so if they got paid, you know, that's just icing
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: on the cake for us. It was you know, we
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: went into negotiations and I don't remember them saying like
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: it needs to be quick. But we did a whole
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: like four piece uh special. It was like three different,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: four different segments. It wasn't a live show, even though
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: they talked about doing a live show. So, I mean
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: the money was good. I don't know how much they got,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: and I've I've heard over the years that no one
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: would get as much as God got, right, Yeah, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think they would they would pay that much. Again,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: Like it was like pulling teeth to get anything from
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: them back then, even knowing that they were going to
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: make bank just from having it on the air, you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: so we had to fight really hard to get any
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: kind of cut in.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Really, I thought you guys made a bundle well a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: million okay, yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got paid a million. But my my agent
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: was like, you're making like how many times that you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: like and you would not be able to do this
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: without Trista and Ryan. Sorry, we were a big part
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: of the show because you were.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Being twenty plus million viewers. How many viewers at your
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: wedding game?
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: No we have, well we had thirty one million watches
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: are you engaging? And then twenty six million watched the wedding.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: So at that point in time, thirty one people, thirty
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: one million people had had watched the finale of the show.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: So so yes.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, I just I don't want to think
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: that about Gary Drear.
• 31:36
  Speaker 15: Question is it's hard when you get into what you
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: three have been Bob, Trista, Ashley. There's the fame, there's
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: the excitement, there's all these things pulling you.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: How could you resist it? Bob has his hand though.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say thank you so much,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: miss Sugarman for recognizing my raised hand.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, here's the thing.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: So Trista, I mean, there was a lot of pressure
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: on Trista back then, but Tristan Ryan took a year,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: right like they like, they took time from I mean,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: if it wasn't a full year, it was it was
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: a while from the time that I remember you guys
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: finished dating to the time like the time that you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: when I was on Trista's season, from the finale the
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: time they got married. I mean, there was a lot
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: of time in there, and I think that you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: they had that time to get to know one another.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: But this I think was another moment of high stakes,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: right because let's be honest, they're already teasing the Golden Bachelorette,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: so they needed a success to spurn more success. And
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: so that's why I think there was probably pressure coming
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: from the producers. But I also think they wouldn't have
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: let these guys. This wouldn't have been a public announcement
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: the producers. I think I think what Amy said was right,
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Like January thirtieth, I'm sure the producers have been trying
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: to keep these two together for months.
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: They work hard, I was.
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: Gonna say, Ashley. The little bit of information we also.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Have is that they did not they have been.
• 33:02
  Speaker 15: Separated, and I use that term loosely. Knew this was
• 33:06
  Speaker 15: coming right for a little bit of time.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: The rumor we have heard.
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: From good sources is that they would have liked to
• 33:14
  Speaker 15: not announce this for quite a while because it's it's
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: the timing is.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: So bad, like it's just too quick.
• 33:24
  Speaker 15: I think they would have liked to go a year
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: before they let anyone find out that things.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Weren't going to work out, like I'm sorry, but separated
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: even before fourteen weeks in your youth, and for you
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: on January thirtieth to have heard that they were never
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: going to live together, like this just has sham written
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: all over it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: Two weeks ago to the wedding itself made me so
• 33:50
  Speaker 15: uncomfortable that I didn't watch it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And Tris, I also feel bad saying this because you
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: felt it, but being at wedding, I didn't feel it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any sort of sense of being choked up.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: There's no tears coming out of miss cryings eyes. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I remember like when I was coming back and I
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: was going to record my other podcast with my friend
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: who was a huge Golden Bachelor fan. I was like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: She's like, you have to talk about it. I was like,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it because like I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: have nothing like really warm and fuzzy to say. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: just didn't really feel it, so I didn't need to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: talk about you.
• 34:26
  Speaker 15: It's like somehow she had an instinct. These two were
• 34:28
  Speaker 15: not like, all, don't do it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Don't do it.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Why do you have any reason beyond instinct? Because I
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: just had gut now.
• 34:36
  Speaker 16: I was just uncomfortable, uh thinking about watching it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: I just didn't want to watch it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Do you think that it made you uncomfortable with the
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: whole Leslie situation?
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: She didn't get in the Weeds, because here's what started
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: to happen started to speak for you. My mom started
• 34:53
  Speaker 15: watching it, and she started pretty quickly realizing like something
• 34:57
  Speaker 15: wasn't quite right.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: And by the time we got to the wedding, she has.
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Like's like, oh, I can't I can't watch this.
• 35:02
  Speaker 15: I had a big party and had people over and
• 35:05
  Speaker 15: I'm like, Mom, come over, and she goes, yeah, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: don't want to watch them. And I don't know if
• 35:08
  Speaker 15: it's because she's their age. Maybe she was like a
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: little creepy to me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you had a good radar going. I mean, obviously
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: you picked up on something that you know.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Me.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. I think you're just
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: very perceptive.
• 35:23
  Speaker 15: Well, it's like maybe other because my mom's hung out
• 35:26
  Speaker 15: with Susan and Kathy and she loves that dinner with them,
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: and so I think that maybe like these ladies of
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: a certain age, my mom's seventy six, also like, what
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: seventy do.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: You want to get married?
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: Well?
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: No, And that's my other thought on this.
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: I think what they were trying to do was very difficult,
• 35:47
  Speaker 16: very difficult. You know, they were going to move right
• 35:51
  Speaker 16: and I can't imagine leaving my granddaughters. I mean I
• 35:56
  Speaker 16: cooked dinner for my youngest granddaughters twice a week. I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: I wouldn't give that up. And my relations and being
• 36:04
  Speaker 16: part of their lives.
• 36:05
  Speaker 15: I mean, well, and not to out my mom, but
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: this is something about older people.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: They're very set in their ways.
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: Like my mom has a garbage can that you're not
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: allowed to put garbage in, like it's so and like
• 36:17
  Speaker 15: you use her a certain sync and she's like, you're
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: getting the sink wet and like I'm not making it up.
• 36:21
  Speaker 15: Like I can't imagine who people set in their ways
• 36:25
  Speaker 15: trying to like win together.
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: But yeah, that's the point.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: That's why I.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: Was wondering why they were rushing to get married. I
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: have because of production, you can have so much fun.
• 36:37
  Speaker 16: I mean, go have fun, get to know each other,
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: take some trips, play golf, you know, whatever they like.
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: To do, and you don't have to get married necessarily.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: I feel like if it wasn't a television show, then they.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Would have done that.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah do you know what I meaning?
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Had they met like somewhere else than in production wasn't involved,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: then maybe they would have done that. But since there's
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: a TV show, you know, all all that get thrown
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: out the window.
• 37:01
  Speaker 15: And Christa, do you think I'm trying to look in
• 37:03
  Speaker 15: Trista's eyes and see if I can see a glimpse
• 37:06
  Speaker 15: of the truth. Do you think that they would have
• 37:08
  Speaker 15: liked to not have to do this ABC Good Morning
• 37:12
  Speaker 15: America special Today, Like would they have liked.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: To like said they didn't want to do that, Yes,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: especially since you're saying that they didn't want to even
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: announce it for a year. They I think that they're
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: allegedly it's perfect part of their contract. To be quite honest,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: they probably are still under contract. I don't know how
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: contracts work these days. Like if they're all tried to
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: do contracts out there, they are for a year.
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: So the ring goes back, right, all of it?
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that's you Bob Getty rule.
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: I've heard.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: True.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: It's delegate to keep her ring.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: And then they were like she did, yes, and she
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: sold it and so they became like some type of
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: weird time frame in there.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So there's two things I want to mention, especially with
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Trista's still around. One, I could have not felt much
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: at the wedding because it was the live TV version
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and we had to keep stopping, and that felt really awkward,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Like it's felt like we were on the set of
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: a wedding, not that we were actually at a wedding.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure that that took some magical Wait.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: Actually, I just have to mention your lamb chop when
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: you're just cruising around this wedding.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: It was not a lamb chop. I don't eat lamb.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: That's the one meat I won't eat. But yeah, that
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: was the only screen time I had was I had
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: a meatball. Yeah, And I was like, I was literally
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: eating meatball, being like I'm totally on camera right now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: aren't I And I was like, ah, there it is.
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: I had to call that because it didn't look like
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: you were like, I don't know what's happening here, but
• 38:49
  Speaker 15: I'm just going to eat these meatballs.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Totally okay. But then, Trista, the other thing I wanted
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to say is, regarding what you said earlier in the episode,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you said, we'll never really know what happened between the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: two of them, but you know what, we very well
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: may because this Golden Bachelor cast, with women like Kathy
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and Susan keep in these secrets.
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: Totally and those ladies already tight.
• 39:22
  Speaker 15: All those ladies are still friends, and they're gonna realize like, hey,
• 39:25
  Speaker 15: we're in it as girls together and they're gonna dish.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I think, like, if you're gonna get like a whole
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: bunch of dirt on Gary, she should get with these girls.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: And and then, you know what, I wanted to come
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: on my our podcast and talk about this. But if
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: if Theresa needs to go and talk to Susan and
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Kathy on their podcast and give us the real scoop,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: sign this up.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: She needs to speak to some people of age.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the ogs be more the willing
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: to take on that conversation as well.
• 40:00
  Speaker 15: One crazy idea out there, and don't don't judge me
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: for it, because I'm sure there was no funny business.
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: But like when you're Gary, right, do we think but
• 40:09
  Speaker 15: they don't live together? How many ladies at the market
• 40:13
  Speaker 15: are giving Gary the wing?
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: Like that would be like he might be like, Okay,
• 40:19
  Speaker 15: I've got a lot of ladies flirting.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, Triska's got information.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna reveal my source. But no,
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: it's not a source, but the person who made this comment.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna reveal, but they said, I wander with
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: all of the all of the hubbub and the hype,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: and he's all over the place like in the media.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are women out there. I mean, please,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: when I when we were done, people were sending Ryan.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: And this was of course back in the day when
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: there was like real mail that you went to the
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: post office for, but people would put together like little
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: care packages and send them to Ryan and be like, so,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: if things don't work out with Trista, here's my number.
• 41:04
  Speaker 15: Right, I bet you like at the I don't know
• 41:07
  Speaker 15: where they go the I.
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: They go to dams.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they go ram.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Into deep ram oh the graam.
• 41:16
  Speaker 15: Wow, they're deep sliding into the the geriatric dms.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: That was not geriatric gms. That was not my thought.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: But I was like, oh, okay, I mean I can
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: see they get a lot of attention after the show.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Anyone who's on the show usually get a lot of attention.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm sure there was there were people sliding into
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: his dams, whether he took advantage of it or not.
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: Well, and Kats and.
• 41:39
  Speaker 15: Susan make really good points when they say at their age.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: Those men like fifty year old women.
• 41:45
  Speaker 15: So it is really hard to be a seventy something
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: woman because you're like, where are the ninety year old
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: hanging out?
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: Year old dudes?
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Ye, old ladies, isn't that just what happened with every
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: age group?
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: My mom would be like a hot catch for a
• 42:03
  Speaker 15: ninety one year old, like you.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Know, okay, all right, well let's get Bachelor data in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: on here.
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: I want her to day someone is never going on
• 42:16
  Speaker 15: that show because I don't want We're so protective of
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: a grandma.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: You're like, no, but anyway, keep seeing you. Bye, guys,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: so good, say thank you.
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: Great coverage, actutely, great job, keep it keep it going,
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: great coverage.
• 42:31
  Speaker 13: Awesome coverage, almost in miss listeners.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: We are now joined by our fan on our panel today.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Her name is Natalie. Natalie, I heard that you have
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: like lots of salacious thoughts on this, like you are
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: not holding back.
• 42:57
  Speaker 17: Well yeah, I mean so, I have watched many seasons
• 43:02
  Speaker 17: of the Bachelor, almost almost all of them, and all
• 43:06
  Speaker 17: the Bachelor of Paradise and all the things, and I
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: think this was a great season and I loved it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 17: I fell in love with with Gary like everyone else did,
• 43:14
  Speaker 17: and I was not not I wasn't surprised and then
• 43:20
  Speaker 17: not surprised to hear this news. Basically just uh, I
• 43:26
  Speaker 17: didn't love you know, I just I didn't love her.
• 43:27
  Speaker 17: I don't think I don't know that you guys loved
• 43:31
  Speaker 17: her either, Ashley and Ben.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I mean based podcast, I will admit I was absolutely
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: shocked when he picked her. I was even I was
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: shocked on finale day. I wasn't even spoiled. It was
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: at the Bachelor Mansion filming listen, you know, recording our
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: podcast live from the finale that I found out and
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I was like what, But over time, if I had
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: to choose a favor in this relationship, I would have
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: chosen Teresa because that are that came out about him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: It just rubbed me the wrong way and I couldn't
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: shake it. I feel like there's something a little off there,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: but there might be a little something off on both ends.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I like feel really bad saying I don't fully trust him.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: It's just overly chummy, a little bit of acting, a
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: little bit too goody two shoes.
• 44:23
  Speaker 17: I don't know right Well, she came out of the
• 44:25
  Speaker 17: limo like naked, right, I mean basically, oh Theresa, Yeah, sorry,
• 44:30
  Speaker 17: I mean she she came to play. You know, she
• 44:32
  Speaker 17: was definitely you know, which I more power to her.
• 44:35
  Speaker 17: I just I feel like she over maybe overlooked a
• 44:38
  Speaker 17: lot of things that maybe she saw that you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 17: she wasn't willing to see about Gary because she wanted
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: to kind of she wanted to end up with him
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: and she at all costs. And so my theory is
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: just that they got home and like, you know, based
• 44:52
  Speaker 17: on Ben said something on one of your recent podcasts
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: where it was like you get home and you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 17: it's like your look at this person, like this is
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: Joe Schmoe. He's nobody special or famous. He's just a
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: guy who's like, you know, whatever job it is that
• 45:07
  Speaker 17: he had, which we don't really know because it wasn't
• 45:10
  Speaker 17: that was sort of yeah, maybe issue he didn't really
• 45:14
  Speaker 17: he wasn't really bringing you know, he wasn't the bread winner,
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: and so maybe she was kind of like, I don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 17: want to take care of this guy forever. And you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 17: this is this is reality. So the fact that they
• 45:24
  Speaker 17: got divorced after three months, everyone is so shocked, but
• 45:27
  Speaker 17: the reality is like that doesn't change the Based on
• 45:29
  Speaker 17: your age, getting home and sort of realizing whose person
• 45:32
  Speaker 17: is is sort of what happens. I think a lot
• 45:35
  Speaker 17: right with these situations, But I don't know just the
• 45:39
  Speaker 17: fact that she was so so googly eyed over him
• 45:41
  Speaker 17: the entire time it was to me. I think she
• 45:43
  Speaker 17: probably just didn't she like overlooked a lot of things
• 45:46
  Speaker 17: that maybe were issues, and maybe on his side too,
• 45:50
  Speaker 17: because they were so kind of physically attached to I
• 45:53
  Speaker 17: think are we.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Also still weirded out thinking about that Fantasy Suite episode
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: and how he went into the Fantasy Suite told Leslie
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: obviously he was going to choose her, then somehow goes
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: into the phantasy to steet with Teresa after having kind
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: of honestly an awkwardish date and then comes out being like, no,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: it's her, So what the heck happened? I don't know
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: whether there was physical I don't know whether they had
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: like conversations about finances or who knows what the heck
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that changed something so dramatic like they show us.
• 46:23
  Speaker 17: I mean I thought about this too, like the whole
• 46:24
  Speaker 17: location thing. They don't show that very much on The Bachelor,
• 46:27
  Speaker 17: Like do do they have a lot of conversations behind scenes?
• 46:30
  Speaker 17: Like does The Bachelor with their you know, contestants, like
• 46:33
  Speaker 17: about where they live, because that's got to be a
• 46:35
  Speaker 17: huge thing of what they who they choose to be with,
• 46:38
  Speaker 17: Like is it it's somebody that you know lives in
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: LA and you're stuck in your for your career, Like
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: are you going to choose that person? And they didn't
• 46:45
  Speaker 17: show them really, I mean they had the conversation after
• 46:47
  Speaker 17: I guess, but I don't know. It's just interesting that
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: they don't. They don't show those scenes of The Bachelor
• 46:53
  Speaker 17: really talking to their contestants about that, like about where
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: they live.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I can't speak on it
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: because I was never in a series and a relationship
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: on the show to like get to that conversation. But
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I do feel like it is something that is talked about,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: especially once you get down to the final three. I
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: wish Ben, we're here to answer that question. Okay, Natalie,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I got a question about marriage for you and maybe
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: maybe you know it, maybe you don't. Could this have
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: been annulled? You think? And like, what what is the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: criteria for an annulment over a divorce after three months?
• 47:27
  Speaker 17: Well, isn't annulment? Isn't it? Like isn't it a shorter
• 47:29
  Speaker 17: time period, like it has to be within a sort.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: No, because like, if I remember my pop culture correctly,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Kenny Chesney and Renee Zellwegger they got an annulment after
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: five months of marriage.
• 47:41
  Speaker 17: Well, I'm guessing it has it's financial because she's like
• 47:43
  Speaker 17: a financial planner, right. She was like, it seemed like
• 47:46
  Speaker 17: she had her books in a row, and I'm sure
• 47:48
  Speaker 17: she had the premium.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: I had the prenup.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: They did say on Good Morning America there was a prenup.
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: So maybe that was why, like either to have access
• 47:56
  Speaker 17: to her money or something if they didn't get fully
• 47:59
  Speaker 17: divorced or something. I don't know. Yeah, okay, I do
• 48:03
  Speaker 17: think that was I mean that was when it came
• 48:05
  Speaker 17: out that he, you know, wasn't kind of you know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 17: making a lot of money and she kind of had
• 48:12
  Speaker 17: it together. That also made sense for why they ended
• 48:14
  Speaker 17: up together.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: That's right. I thought that.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I thought that maybe that enticed him more.
• 48:19
  Speaker 17: Right, Oh, I think for sure it did. I mean, yeah,
• 48:22
  Speaker 17: I think and then she probably was like, look, I
• 48:25
  Speaker 17: was just talking to Frint about this, but like when
• 48:27
  Speaker 17: you get older, yeah, you want to take care of people,
• 48:28
  Speaker 17: but you don't want to work forever, especially you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 17: if you're in your seventies. You're like, maybe she was like, look,
• 48:34
  Speaker 17: I don't want to take care of that. Maybe she
• 48:37
  Speaker 17: thought she could or she wanted to, but that's gets
• 48:40
  Speaker 17: older after a while.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: You know, something somebody got the ick. Okay, somebody. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: think that maybe both of them did.
• 48:49
  Speaker 17: Yeah, because why were they so content in that interview?
• 48:52
  Speaker 17: I mean it really was like I just watched it again,
• 48:54
  Speaker 17: you know, before this, and I mean they were really
• 48:59
  Speaker 17: I mean, I only just holding hands.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: But it's just too much. It seemed like over the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: top for me to show that much affection when announcing
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: in a divorce. Yeah, that's what made it. It's been
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: phony in acting. And I'm like, oh, okay, so you
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: guys been phony in acting the entire time, or at
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: least for quite some month months now.
• 49:16
  Speaker 17: I think there were just issues that they don't want
• 49:18
  Speaker 17: to talk about. Like but in the beginning of the interview,
• 49:20
  Speaker 17: he was sort of like, yeah, we had several conversations
• 49:23
  Speaker 17: about you know, living arrangements and other things. So it's
• 49:26
  Speaker 17: clear that they talked. You know, I think it just
• 49:29
  Speaker 17: had it was about probably just compatibility and like living
• 49:33
  Speaker 17: with a person day to day and their habits and like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 17: how do you know any of that before you know
• 49:39
  Speaker 17: it just or maybe arguments or disagreements or you know.
• 49:43
  Speaker 17: A friend of mine saw them out in la and
• 49:45
  Speaker 17: said she was very this was only like a few
• 49:49
  Speaker 17: weeks ago. She was holding on really tight to him
• 49:51
  Speaker 17: and sort of deer in headlights, and he was talking
• 49:55
  Speaker 17: to everybody kind of more friendly, and so you're like,
• 49:59
  Speaker 17: just they're so, I'm sure there's tons of things that
• 50:01
  Speaker 17: we just don't know. But they did a good job
• 50:03
  Speaker 17: of like you know, keeping it together for that. But
• 50:07
  Speaker 17: which surprised me about her too, because she was so
• 50:10
  Speaker 17: like in love with him, you know the whole time.
• 50:12
  Speaker 17: To see her not upset really was like that told
• 50:15
  Speaker 17: me that maybe it was her decision.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Well, we know that if this means anything, he was
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: the one to file in Indiana today for divorce. He
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: was the initiator. I don't know if that means anything.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I also wonder why they didn't pull a Marcus in
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Lacey and not even sign paperwork, just make it a
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: televised event and wedding and like not actually be legally married.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: If I were them, I probably would have. I mean
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have gotten married. But if I did get married,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I would have been like, all right, well, let's not
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: actually make this official yet.
• 50:54
  Speaker 17: I think they were just in this like whirlwind, like
• 50:56
  Speaker 17: why wouldn't you get married? And also you're in your seventies,
• 50:58
  Speaker 17: like we're what you know, and plus it's going to
• 51:01
  Speaker 17: be paid for, like you know, like what, let's just
• 51:03
  Speaker 17: go for it, you know. And then I don't know,
• 51:07
  Speaker 17: the issues became too much. I mean, I think it's
• 51:11
  Speaker 17: yeah that that can happen too. I mean, they just
• 51:14
  Speaker 17: think it's so easy to look at this couple on
• 51:15
  Speaker 17: TV and the Golden Bachelor, and you know, it's like
• 51:19
  Speaker 17: they're so oh, they're so in love and we just
• 51:21
  Speaker 17: don't see all the cracks and all the things, you know.
• 51:26
  Speaker 17: And it doesn't mean that they weren't in love or
• 51:28
  Speaker 17: they tried like a lot of people do, but you know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 17: and that they won't end up halfway ever after like
• 51:35
  Speaker 17: you did and like bended and you know, but I
• 51:40
  Speaker 17: think it, yeah, there, it's definitely an interesting, you know situation.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: My last question for you is what do you think
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Leslie is thinking today?
• 51:50
  Speaker 17: I Mean, I think she's probably secretly like a little
• 51:54
  Speaker 17: bit for sure. I think we all thought he was
• 51:57
  Speaker 17: going to pick her. I mean, I definitely did, but
• 52:01
  Speaker 17: she was young, and like, I just think he was
• 52:04
  Speaker 17: focused more on someone who can take care of him.
• 52:05
  Speaker 17: That's my theory, and maybe she couldn't do that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: So but I bet you yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 17: I mean, I'm sure she's sad for them, but ultimately
• 52:14
  Speaker 17: I would think as the runner up, you're kind of like,
• 52:17
  Speaker 17: you know, a little bit of you.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you Natalie so much for joining us and
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: giving us. Thank you your thoughts, your honest thoughts. All right,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: we could not wrap this podcast up without having Bachelor data.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Susannah Summers not to be confused with the season, Summers, because
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: she's got to break down the shortest bachelor marriage. Susannah,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: why do you think that the Golden Bachelor has the
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: shortest marriage, the one with the people that have apparently
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the most relationship experience and experience knowing?
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 53:01
  Speaker 18: Man, I you know, I had not to be pessimistic here,
• 53:05
  Speaker 18: but I did have some concerns about Golden Bachelor when
• 53:08
  Speaker 18: they first announced it, mainly because the Bachelor franchise casts
• 53:11
  Speaker 18: from around the US. It's not like love is blind
• 53:15
  Speaker 18: or married at first sight, where they cast in the
• 53:16
  Speaker 18: same like city or region, which isn't so much of
• 53:20
  Speaker 18: a problem for younger people for The Bachelor and the Bachelorette,
• 53:23
  Speaker 18: But when you think of Golden Bachelor, these are people
• 53:26
  Speaker 18: in their golden years who already have families, grandchildren, and
• 53:30
  Speaker 18: they've most of them have settled down near them. So
• 53:33
  Speaker 18: I actually had quite a few concerns before the show
• 53:35
  Speaker 18: even aired about like, logistically, how are older people going
• 53:39
  Speaker 18: to uproot their lives across the country, Like, it's just
• 53:44
  Speaker 18: much harder at that age than it is in your
• 53:45
  Speaker 18: younger years. So it did feel very rushed that they
• 53:49
  Speaker 18: got married before they even moved in together or moved
• 53:52
  Speaker 18: near each other. The timing of this all, the thing
• 53:56
  Speaker 18: that makes me scratch my head the most, is five
• 54:00
  Speaker 18: days ago they were filming Celebrity Family Feud.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And it will air in like a month or something.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they have obviously decided already on divorce and
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: they were separated by the time of this filming, which
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: just confirms to me that the franchise was going to
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: try to hide this separation as long as possible.
• 54:22
  Speaker 18: Yeah, it definitely feels like that, and I mean, I
• 54:25
  Speaker 18: get it. It was the most successful spin off show
• 54:28
  Speaker 18: that they've ever had. If you look at Bachelor and Paradise,
• 54:31
  Speaker 18: so many people who watch this show don't realize that
• 54:34
  Speaker 18: Bachelor and Paradise actually has lower ratings every year than
• 54:37
  Speaker 18: Bachelor and Bachelorette. So the fact that a spinoff show performed,
• 54:42
  Speaker 18: it outperformed every single show last year, this year, and
• 54:47
  Speaker 18: multiple years going back, you know, it makes sense that
• 54:50
  Speaker 18: ABC is going to milk it for all of its
• 54:52
  Speaker 18: all its worth. But I think a lot of people
• 54:55
  Speaker 18: weren't expecting a divorce this quickly three months after away.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: For sure. And what's interesting is that while Bachelor in
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Paradise has the lowest amount of viewers, it has the
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: greatest percentages of couples that are still together.
• 55:12
  Speaker 18: Right, Yes, So when it comes to success rates on
• 55:15
  Speaker 18: the show, there's a few different ways to slice and
• 55:17
  Speaker 18: dice it, and I like to give a few disclaimers first.
• 55:20
  Speaker 18: So it depends on what you define as success, because
• 55:24
  Speaker 18: a lot of people just think of who is currently
• 55:26
  Speaker 18: together in this day and time, and people forget Ashley
• 55:30
  Speaker 18: and Jpe from The Bachelorette. They were together for almost
• 55:33
  Speaker 18: ten years and had two kids, Rachel and Brian. They
• 55:37
  Speaker 18: were together for almost seven years. We had Caitlin and
• 55:40
  Speaker 18: Seawan that were together for over three years. And also,
• 55:43
  Speaker 18: if we go much further back to those early years
• 55:45
  Speaker 18: on The Bachelor, we had Byron I didn't watch that season,
• 55:49
  Speaker 18: and Mary they were together for over five years. Charlie
• 55:52
  Speaker 18: and Sarah they were together for four years. So a
• 55:54
  Speaker 18: lot of people they discount those relationships, but relationships over
• 55:58
  Speaker 18: two three years long, those are pretty successful in my book.
• 56:01
  Speaker 18: But if we're talking of just who's currently together on
• 56:05
  Speaker 18: a Bachelorette, eighteen percent of bachelorettes are still together. So
• 56:09
  Speaker 18: we've had twenty seasons with twenty two different bachelorettes, so
• 56:14
  Speaker 18: it's eighteen percent. If we include those longer relationships, it
• 56:18
  Speaker 18: goes up to thirty six percent. But now if you
• 56:21
  Speaker 18: look at Bachelor, we've had twenty eight seasons, twenty nine
• 56:24
  Speaker 18: with Gary uh six are still together, so that's twenty
• 56:28
  Speaker 18: point seven percent, So that's higher than the eighteen percent
• 56:31
  Speaker 18: that we've seen for Bachelorette. If we include those longer relationships,
• 56:36
  Speaker 18: it goes up to twenty eight percent. And then, oh,
• 56:41
  Speaker 18: as far as divorces, Bachelorette has seen two divorces, The
• 56:46
  Speaker 18: Bachelor has not seen any divorces, just Golden and Bachelor
• 56:50
  Speaker 18: and then Bachelor and Paradise.
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: This is where we see the higher success rates.
• 56:54
  Speaker 18: So couples that are still together on Bachelor in Paradise
• 56:57
  Speaker 18: it's twenty nine point seven percent.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: So that means couples who like I know that Jared
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: and I are included in that, and so are couples
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: like uh Asterrod and Kevin and Raven and Adam, couples
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: who got together eventually but didn't leave the show engaged
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: Becka Thomas actually a huge chunk of them, Abigaila and Noah.
• 57:22
  Speaker 18: I could keep going, yeah, you know, And that's the
• 57:26
  Speaker 18: thing I credit that those couples are together. And same
• 57:29
  Speaker 18: thing for The Bachelor because a lot of people don't
• 57:31
  Speaker 18: like to include Ari and Lauren as a success number this.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: It would be the same thing as Jason Molly.
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah exactly.
• 57:39
  Speaker 18: But if you think about it, that relationship would have
• 57:41
  Speaker 18: never happened without the show.
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: So if you want to talk about leads that are
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: still with.
• 57:46
  Speaker 18: The final book person, that's a different stat So, like
• 57:49
  Speaker 18: I said, there's so many different ways to slice and
• 57:51
  Speaker 18: dice this, and people love to cherry pick on like
• 57:54
  Speaker 18: who they want to include, So I like to include
• 57:56
  Speaker 18: all of these numbers, but couples that are still currently
• 57:59
  Speaker 18: together from Bachelor in Paradise, it's eleven couples out of
• 58:03
  Speaker 18: thirty seven, so that's that twenty nine point seven percent.
• 58:06
  Speaker 18: But we've had three divorces from Bachelor in Paradise. So
• 58:09
  Speaker 18: we had Carly and Evan, they were together for five years,
• 58:13
  Speaker 18: had a kid, two kids, one kid, two kids, Chris
• 58:17
  Speaker 18: and Crystal that was a shorter relationship though they were
• 58:20
  Speaker 18: together for one point six years. And then Lacey and
• 58:24
  Speaker 18: Marcus from season one, but this one's debatable. So they
• 58:27
  Speaker 18: had a televised wedding, they flew them down to Mexico,
• 58:30
  Speaker 18: had their wedding there, but they actually never legally got married.
• 58:34
  Speaker 18: But they were together for two years. So if we
• 58:36
  Speaker 18: include those divorces, it goes up to thirty eight percent
• 58:39
  Speaker 18: of success rates. And then also Brendan and Piper were
• 58:43
  Speaker 18: together for two years after the show, so that then
• 58:46
  Speaker 18: boosts it up to forty percent. So it's again, however
• 58:49
  Speaker 18: you want to slice and dice it. The show, it's
• 58:51
  Speaker 18: actually pretty successful. And it's around this time that we
• 58:54
  Speaker 18: hear like Golden Bachelor's getting a divorce that there's so
• 58:57
  Speaker 18: much clickbait out there where people are like this show,
• 59:00
  Speaker 18: Oh is horrible, it doesn't work, blah blah blah, cancel
• 59:03
  Speaker 18: the show.
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: And it's like, the success rates are actually pretty good.
• 59:07
  Speaker 18: I know, back in my day when I was single,
• 59:09
  Speaker 18: if I had had a twenty percent success rate on
• 59:12
  Speaker 18: Tender and Bumble was swiping and finding good men, like,
• 59:17
  Speaker 18: that's a great success rate. And I know it's only
• 59:19
  Speaker 18: gotten worse in the last ten years.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: And the Bachelor numbers, I feel like have gotten better
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: in the past ten years.
• 59:26
  Speaker 18: Yes, So the really interesting stat that I found. So
• 59:31
  Speaker 18: rumors started to kind of circulate a few days ago
• 59:34
  Speaker 18: about this potential divorce dropping. So I started digging into
• 59:37
  Speaker 18: the numbers post pandemic success rates. And here's where I
• 59:40
  Speaker 18: have a lot of opinions, which I never give opinions
• 59:43
  Speaker 18: on my account.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you for a couple more opinions
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: after this and tell us your opinion here.
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: Okay, So post pandemic.
• 59:50
  Speaker 18: So when the world shut down, it was the they
• 59:53
  Speaker 18: literally shut down filming. I think it was like two
• 59:55
  Speaker 18: days after the NBA shutdown was Claire's season was.
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: Supposed to film.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 18: So ever since the world shutdown and we came back
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 18: for Clarantatia's season. We have had four bachelors five if
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 18: you include Golden Okay, and then we've had seven bachelorettes,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 18: which is insane because we had Clarontatia for season sixteen,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 18: and then the next year we had Katie and Michelle
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 18: had two seasons, and then we had in twenty twenty three,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 18: Gabby and Rachel shared a season.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: So we've had a lot of bachelorettes.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bachelor not a success with the bachelorettes, interestingly, no,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: but the.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: Bachelor, three of the four are still together.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 18: So we had Matt and Rachel they're still together, Clayton
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 18: didn't work out, Zach and Katy are still together, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 18: Joey and Kelsey, you know, their season just in it.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 9: So that's a really good success rate.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 18: And the craziest part is pre pandemic, the Bachelorette was
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 18: the most successful franchise.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 9: And it was the running joke.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 18: It was like, of course, so much better at picking.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I notice on your stats today that that switched over.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 18: Yeah, so here's here's the variable because I dug into
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 18: it because for so long, pre pandemic, it was always
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 18: Bachelorette was more successful. And on top of that, Bachelorette's
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 18: almost like their rate of choosing their first impression rose
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 18: as their finalist was super high.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: So it was very much this like women just know
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: how to choose better. I remember, here's what's changed.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 18: So before the pandemic, the Bachelor and the Bachelorette was
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 18: ten weeks of filming. A week on this show is
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 18: the dates plus the rose ceremony.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: I count that as a week.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 18: It's actually like sometimes it's four days, sometimes it's six days,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 18: depending on traveling, but it's ten weeks of dates plus
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 18: rose ceremonies. Okay seven before hometowns and they have hometowns
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 18: overnights and they you meet the family. The Bachelor structure
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 18: has not changed. It has continued to be ten weeks
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 18: every single season, but the Bachelorette has changed. So Claire
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 18: obviously she ended her season after like a week and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 18: a half and she was like, peace out, I'm going
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 18: with Dale. So Taysha's naturally was shorter.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 9: That made sense.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 18: Then when a time when it came time for Katie
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 18: and Michelle season, those were eight and nine weeks, and
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 18: then Gabby and Rachel. Even though they were sharing a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 18: group of men and getting less dates than leads normally get.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: They only got nine weeks and then Charity had eight weeks.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, Okay, well that could be a reason for that.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Now for Gary and Theresa, we know that their season
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: was actually the shortest of all seasons ever for a
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: lead show, and they only had I wanted to say
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: that they had four to six weeks of filming instead
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: of the standard, as you said, eight to ten. Yeah,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: all right, Well, who knows what contributed to this split,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: but Bachelor Data, we are just really happy that you came,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: gave us your insight, and we hope to have you
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: back soon.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Well that's all we have. That was a lot on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: the Golden divorce. Hopefully we have some more gossip coming up.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Some more of these Golden ladies will talk and we'll
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: find out more about what went wrong between Teresa and Gary.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry I'm trying to sound silatious about this,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: but I think it's more salacious than distance. Thank you
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: guys for joining me. We love you all and until
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: next time, I have been Ashley.
• 1:03:35
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