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The Kenny Report | 13 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The Greens continue to attack Israel and a new Independent
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  Speaker 2: takes on the Home Affairs Minister over.
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  Speaker 1: Gaza and Palestinian rights.
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  Speaker 2: Senior liberals demand we keep HUMMA supporters out of the country,
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  Speaker 2: while Peter Dutton focuses on the cost of living as
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  Speaker 2: Labour struggles to answer for its own broken promises. I'll
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  Speaker 2: cross to Christen Tate in the States where Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: is avoiding the media while she rises in the opinion polls.
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  Speaker 2: Bridget mackenzie and Keith Wallahan joined me live from Canberra
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  Speaker 2: and with Suzi O'Brien and Stephen Senna, Tiempo will debate Reagan,
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  Speaker 2: the Aussie breakdancing anti hero, and I'll explain while she's
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  Speaker 2: exposed our own flaws.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: I want to start in Federal Parliament and question time
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  Speaker 2: and the number one issue for voters at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: cost of living. What Labor promised and what it's delivering.
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  Speaker 2: The Opposition leader was onto this with the very first
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  Speaker 2: question of the day.
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  Speaker 3: Before the election that now Prime Minister promised to cut
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  Speaker 3: electricity bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars, provide
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  Speaker 3: cheaper mortgages and to ensure families will be better off
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  Speaker 3: on the cost of living instead of reducing costs for
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  Speaker 3: working families, is deliver twelve mortgage rate increases, a twenty
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  Speaker 3: two percent increase in electricity prices, and food and groceries
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  Speaker 3: have jumped by over eleven percent. Why does this tricky
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  Speaker 3: prime minister repeatedly promise.
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  Speaker 1: One thing and do another now? Labor hates questions like this.
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  Speaker 2: They hate people making this point because what can they say?
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  Speaker 2: The facts line up against them. They promised the world
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  Speaker 2: on power costs.
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  Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 5: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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  Speaker 5: a year.
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  Speaker 4: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, they promised the world on interest rates and
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living.
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  Speaker 4: A pressure off cost of living, pressure off the cost
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  Speaker 4: of living, the cost of living, the cost of living,
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  Speaker 4: cost of living, relief downward pressure on cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they promise, But interest rates have kept
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  Speaker 2: going up, electricity prices have been sowing, and the cost
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  Speaker 2: of living squeeze has only gotten worse. So listen to
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister respond to this in question time today.
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  Speaker 2: All he comes up with is more ways the government
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  Speaker 2: is throwing around your tax dollars.
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  Speaker 4: In our first year in office, we delivered cheap child care,
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  Speaker 4: we delivered cheaper medicines, we delivered fee free tape, which
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  Speaker 4: has just been a post yet again by the of
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  Speaker 4: the left, and we expanded the single parent payment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Labour's argument seems to be, forget the rising interest rates,
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  Speaker 2: forget the cost of electricity, forget the cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: We're throwing around more government money to help some people
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  Speaker 2: get by.
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  Speaker 1: But that extra.
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  Speaker 2: Spending only adds to inflation as a reserve bank has
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  Speaker 2: worn so it fuels the beast that causes the cost
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  Speaker 2: of living crisis. And of course not everyone benefits from
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  Speaker 2: the government's handouts. We need less government, not more. We
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  Speaker 2: need less spending, not more hard decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Not Labour trying to.
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  Speaker 2: Buy favors and buy votes with our tax dollars. But
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  Speaker 2: don't expect anyone on the left to ever grasp that point.
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  Speaker 2: In the Senate today, the Greens tried to pass emotion
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  Speaker 2: condemning Israel and imposing sanctions against it, including against Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin net Yahoo. The Greens were supported by the
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  Speaker 2: former Labor senator now independent Fatima Payment not Emotion, condemning
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  Speaker 2: the atrocities of Humas not emotion demanding the release of
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  Speaker 2: the remaining hostages, more than a hundred of them still
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  Speaker 2: held in Gaza. No Emotion targeting the region's only democracy
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  Speaker 2: which is fighting for its very survival. This comes as
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  Speaker 2: there was more fallout from the issue I highlighted yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: You'll remember the AZO Director General Mike Burgess incredibly said
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  Speaker 2: on the weekend that refugees from Gaza might be allowed
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  Speaker 2: into this country even if they support HUMMUS.
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  Speaker 6: If they're giving financial support or material aid, that can
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  Speaker 6: be a problem. And obviously we take each case on
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  Speaker 6: its merits and context of the information we have before us.
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  Speaker 6: But if it's just rhetorical support, if it's just rhetorical
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  Speaker 6: re support and they don't have an ideology or support
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  Speaker 6: for a violent extream as an ideology, then that's not
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  Speaker 6: a problem. If they have a support for that idergy,
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  Speaker 6: that will be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: That was astonishing, and senior liberals are now seeking assurances
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  Speaker 2: from the government that this will not happen.
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  Speaker 7: We're seeing this at a time when countries like Germany,
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  Speaker 7: a like minded country to Australia, is expelling humas supporters.
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  Speaker 3: The Department needs to be directed to not approve the
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  Speaker 3: visa of any person who can be identified to be
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  Speaker 3: as a supporter of a terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is a crucial and serious issue for national security,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but it's also has the potential to play
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  Speaker 2: strongly into electoral politics. Today, in the seat of Watson,
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  Speaker 2: which is held by the Home Affairs and Immigration Minister,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Burke, an Egyptian born Muslim doctor, announced his candidacy
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  Speaker 2: as an independent. Ziad Bazuni said cost of living was
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  Speaker 2: his number one issue, but the nail in the coffin
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  Speaker 2: that pushed him into politics was the Middle East.
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  Speaker 8: The failure of our government to represent, the failure of
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  Speaker 8: our member to represent the values that are being practiced
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  Speaker 8: here in the community regarding human rights and what's happening
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  Speaker 8: in Gaza. Forty thousand people probably more have died, have
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  Speaker 8: been killed. This has been called applausible genocide by the ICG.
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  Speaker 8: Yet not represented, not heard.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Labour could hardly have been softer in its support
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  Speaker 2: for Israel or more tolerant of pro Palestinian activists and protesters,
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  Speaker 2: or more accepting of refugees from Gaza. Yet still it
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  Speaker 2: faces this backlash from some Muslim communities. This new independent
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  Speaker 2: who says he has no official backing from the know Mum,
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  Speaker 2: the Muslim votes organization. He says he's not affiliated with
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  Speaker 2: them at least to this stage.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he wants more refugees from Gaza.
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  Speaker 8: If you're in the Ministry of Immigration, you could probably
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  Speaker 8: grants visas. You can probably find some ways to resettle
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  Speaker 8: Palestinians or in Australia so you can actually give them
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  Speaker 8: a chance to have a medicare.
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  Speaker 2: Now, wilbaz Uni makes the obvious point that people can
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  Speaker 2: be pro Palestinian without supporting humas. He's happy for the
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  Speaker 2: authorities to keep terrorist sympathizers out.
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  Speaker 8: I believe in due diligence, I believe in process. I'm
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  Speaker 8: sure that the Australian authorities would have their way of
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  Speaker 8: vetting candidates. If there is any members of a terrorist
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  Speaker 8: organization should not.
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  Speaker 1: Be allowed here.
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  Speaker 8: I few from my kids, like if you're for everyone
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  Speaker 8: in the community.
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  Speaker 2: This development comes as Sky News Investigations reporter Jonathan Lee
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  Speaker 2: has interviewed a fundamentalist Muslim preacher in Sydney who expresses
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  Speaker 2: the hardline Islamist view that Muslims should ignore politics, that
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  Speaker 2: their own religion reigns supreme over democracy.
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  Speaker 9: A lot of himself has said that muslim should not
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  Speaker 9: be involved in any system with a democracy otherwise.
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  Speaker 7: So only Allah in your faith has the right to
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  Speaker 7: tell people what to do.
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  Speaker 10: Correct.
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  Speaker 11: I believe deep down the Muslim leaders, even in Australia
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  Speaker 11: know that what I'm saying is to be the truth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the very essence of Islamism. That is
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  Speaker 2: the ideology that we need to oppose in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Not Islam, not Muslims, but.
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  Speaker 2: Those who want to impose sharia law and the caliphate
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  Speaker 2: rather than accept democracy and the rule of law. This
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  Speaker 2: debate will only intensify in the lead up to the
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  Speaker 2: election and as events unfold in the Middle East and
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  Speaker 2: with Independent citing the success of die Lee and Fowler
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  Speaker 2: and the Teals across the country, they're talking up their chances.
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  Speaker 8: It's a long term project. It will happen. We will
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  Speaker 8: continue to hold your accountable. We cannot just be treated
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  Speaker 8: that way. Please, you need to listen to us.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't.
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  Speaker 8: We will come after you.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the chances of success in this safe labor seat
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  Speaker 2: are slim, to say the least.
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  Speaker 1: But the question is what.
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  Speaker 2: Impact all this has on labor policy and on our
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  Speaker 2: general political debate. Jonathan Lee's special investigation is tonight right
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  Speaker 2: here on Sky at seven point thirty. We need to
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  Speaker 2: talk some more of about the Australian breakdancing anti hero Reygun.
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  Speaker 2: She's become one of the most talked about Australians from
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics, and that's one of the annoying things about Reygun.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, every minute we focus on her is a
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  Speaker 2: minute we might have been talking about Nina Kennedy, Jessica Fox,
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  Speaker 2: Cameron McAvoy, or the many others who came home with gold.
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  Speaker 2: Instead we're talking about a breakdance and nobody had heard
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  Speaker 2: of previously, and her bizarre performance in Paris, wearing a
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  Speaker 2: daggy Australian tracksuit and incorporating kangaroos and sprinklers into her act.
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  Speaker 1: We can't show you the actual.
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  Speaker 2: Performance because of the Olympic rights issues, but for that
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  Speaker 2: you should be grateful.
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  Speaker 1: But I can show you the big noise she's making
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  Speaker 1: in the US.
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  Speaker 12: You have to wonder where Reagun is right now, what's
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  Speaker 12: that music coming trying?
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  Speaker 3: How are you.
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  Speaker 1: Feeling since you're performance?
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  Speaker 10: I'm like, oh no, no, I.
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  Speaker 1: Shall get you understand me on many dance with you?
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  Speaker 1: How can do that? Criche.
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  Speaker 2: At least the Americans will stop telling us to throw
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  Speaker 2: another prawn or shrimp onto the barbie. Now they'll expect
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  Speaker 2: us all to breakdance or whatever it is that Raygun did.
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  Speaker 2: Because before the Olympics, ray Gun's breakdancing actually looked pretty
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  Speaker 2: much like we might have expected as Clearia, Yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: looks a little more like breakdancing. But in Paris we
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  Speaker 2: saw something very different in a green and gold track
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  Speaker 2: suit and ho less. It was so weird that prominent
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  Speaker 2: indigenous activists professor Meghan Davis has accused Raygun of deliberately
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  Speaker 2: scoring zero at the Games. It as some kind of
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  Speaker 2: academic experiment, which sounds kind of strange until you look
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  Speaker 2: at Raygun's or Rachel Gun's academic work. There's a massive
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  Speaker 2: focus on breakdancing.
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  Speaker 1: There's even a.
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  Speaker 2: Report on the sportification of breakdancing and the possibilities and
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  Speaker 2: politics of the art form entering the Olympics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this all brings me to.
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  Speaker 2: Another take on raygun and the fact that what she
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  Speaker 2: has done here, whether by design or by accident, it's
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit of genius, a way of showing
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  Speaker 2: us just what a joke we've become when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to academia and government programs and the like.
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  Speaker 1: Think of it this way, What on earth.
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  Speaker 2: Is breakdancing doing in the Olympics, For starters, This is
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  Speaker 2: a form of dance, not sport, and it stems from
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  Speaker 2: African American communities in the big cities of the US.
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  Speaker 2: So how on earth does a white Australian woman end
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  Speaker 2: up representing Australia in Paris in breakdancing before the game?
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  Speaker 2: She seems as surprised as anybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations on going to the Olympics. That must feel pretty wild.
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  Speaker 13: It is totally wild. It's not something I ever thought
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  Speaker 13: I would do. I grew up as a dancer, I
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  Speaker 13: did sport and things like that, but I just never
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  Speaker 13: thought that I would be going to the olympig.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was unexpected, all right. But reygun Actually, thirty
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  Speaker 2: six year old Sydney academic Rachel Gunn has had a long,
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  Speaker 2: successful career largely built on embracing breakdancing. Gun works at
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  Speaker 2: Macquarie University and notes in a website that she spent
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  Speaker 2: her whole adult life at the UNI, from being a
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  Speaker 2: student at eighteen to her adult life as a lecturer
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  Speaker 2: in culture and media. Her university profile shows that her
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  Speaker 2: special area of expertise and research is street dancing and
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  Speaker 2: gender and a PhD thesis, as I showed you last night,
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  Speaker 2: looked at breakdancing and gender in the Sydney scene. Feminism
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  Speaker 2: and street dancing are her things, and incredibly, Gun even
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  Speaker 2: scored a grant of more than twenty thousand dollars from
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  Speaker 2: the Sydney City Council to study places for street dancing
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney. So here is a person with a special
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  Speaker 2: interest in breakdancing, if not much talent if.
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  Speaker 1: We believe the Olympic judges.
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  Speaker 2: She's also got a special interest in feminism and gender
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  Speaker 2: issues too, the very fashionable area. And so far she's
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  Speaker 2: been able to have these interests in dolls in large
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  Speaker 2: part at taxpayers expense at Mcquarie University for more than
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  Speaker 2: a decade. She's had them funded also by the ratepayers
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  Speaker 2: of the Sydney City Council, and to cap it all off,
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  Speaker 2: she's gone to the Olympics at taxpayer expense, and the
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  Speaker 2: Olympic selection process occurred largely through an organization called oz Breaking,
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  Speaker 2: which has only been going a few years and represents
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  Speaker 2: a very small group of dancers, but has received at
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  Speaker 2: least two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars of government
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  Speaker 2: funding for various competitions.
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  Speaker 1: And today it's felt the need to.
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  Speaker 2: Release a statement defending the integrity of its Olympic selection processes.
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  Speaker 2: And on the back of all this government Olympic grants,
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  Speaker 2: academic work council grants and os Breaking grants, regan gets
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  Speaker 2: to go to Paris.
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  Speaker 13: I see it more as this unique opportunity that I've
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  Speaker 13: been given to be able to represent Australia potentially the
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  Speaker 13: only time Breaking is going to be in the Olympics.
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  Speaker 13: It's it's such an honor and a privilege and I'm
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  Speaker 13: just going to enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the privilege was all ours. To be sure, our
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  Speaker 1: tax dollars at work now.
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  Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time trying to point out
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  Speaker 2: the governments at all levels waste a lot of our
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  Speaker 2: hard earned tax dollars. And I spent a lot of
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  Speaker 2: time too trying to demonstrate that a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: waste our time with nonsense, using the fashions of the
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  Speaker 2: moment to win support or indulgement from governments local, state
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  Speaker 2: and federal, and from bureaucracies and from universities. And this
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  Speaker 2: is the genius of Raygun. Her story shows better than
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  Speaker 2: anyone else how government largess and indulgence can.
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  Speaker 1: Be accessed if you know how all the.
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  Speaker 2: Way from the footpaths of mcquarie University to the Olympic
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  Speaker 2: stage in Paris. No doubt we will read a lot
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  Speaker 2: more about all this through and academic feminist lens in
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  Speaker 2: good time. Some of the criticism is bound to get
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  Speaker 2: a run in this next academic paper. And I stress
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  Speaker 2: that Gun has done nothing wrong, nothing at all. But
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  Speaker 2: what Raygun has shown us better than anyone else is
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  Speaker 2: that if you know what buttons to push, and you
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  Speaker 2: know where to go for funding and support, there will
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  Speaker 2: always be gullible politicians and bureaucrats willing to indulge you
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  Speaker 2: with the easy dollars that come from hard working taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Camber now and chat with Bridget mackenzie,
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  Speaker 2: a Nationals Senator. Has been a busy day in the
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  Speaker 2: nation's capital, were bridget I won't get you to.
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  Speaker 1: Share your opinion of breakdown.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to get you to share your opinion
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  Speaker 2: of the former Immigration Minister Andrew Giles though, because there
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  Speaker 2: have been more revelations about exactly the mistakes and some
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  Speaker 2: misleading to the public about some of the criminals that
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  Speaker 2: have been let loose from immigration detention.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely great to be with you, Chris. Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Giles once again, thanks to a Freedom of information request,
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  Speaker 14: has been found to mislead Parliament. Your recall that when
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  Speaker 14: detainees were released, he was asked questions in the House
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  Speaker 14: of Representatives. Were these detainees on visas? He confirmed they
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  Speaker 14: were on bridging visas with all appropriate create conditions of
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  Speaker 14: the visa to keep Australian safe. The reality shows that
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  Speaker 14: eighty three of these detainees were released without visa conditions,
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  Speaker 14: with no appropriate conditions to keep Australian safe, for us
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  Speaker 14: to be able to ascertain where they were at any
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  Speaker 14: given time and likewise, and this just shows once again
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  Speaker 14: that the Labor government doesn't care about ministerial standards or
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  Speaker 14: how a Westminster system should run. Because he has left
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  Speaker 14: that statement hanging in the House of Representatives on handsard
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  Speaker 14: when really it is misleading Parliament and is an actual
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  Speaker 14: breach to the Ministerial Code of Conduct that the Prime
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  Speaker 14: Minister bought in in June twenty two, where ministers and
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  Speaker 14: MPs should always be honest and upfront with the public
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  Speaker 14: and in Parliament, and if you make a mistake in
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  Speaker 14: your public utterances, then you should rectify as quickly as.
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  Speaker 1: Possible, which he's failed to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to correct the record as quickly as
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  Speaker 2: you can and normally you would pay a price, but
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  Speaker 2: we know labor this government's not worried about that because
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  Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher misled the Senate and didn't pay a price.
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  Speaker 2: But at least Andrew Giles has been punted from immigration
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  Speaker 2: now and he's in a junior portfolio. I think the
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  Speaker 2: key point here for Australians is whether or not the
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  Speaker 2: new Minister Tony Burke is doing anything.
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  Speaker 1: He's had a few weeks in the.
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  Speaker 2: Job now, is he doing anything to assure us that
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  Speaker 2: he's either getting some of these criminals back into custody
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  Speaker 2: or ensuring that there's appropriate monitoring of them in the community.
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  Speaker 14: Well, I haven't seen any public commentary from Tony Burke
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  Speaker 14: other than rhetoric which we're very used to out of
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  Speaker 14: this portfolio from the Labor government. Similarly, in this portfolio,
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  Speaker 14: concerns about bringing in people from Gaza and them going
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  Speaker 14: through the appropriate checks. The minister who wanted the Home
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  Speaker 14: Affairs to who replaced Tony Burke minister, what was asked
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  Speaker 14: this in the Senate today? Could he give us a
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  Speaker 14: guarantee that everyone being brought in from Gaza had been
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  Speaker 14: through the appropriate checks for security reasons? And he refused
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  Speaker 14: to give that guarantee. He refused to say that they'd
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  Speaker 14: all been through appropriate assessments. And that's a concern. We
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  Speaker 14: all want to assist those people going through difficulties. We
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  Speaker 14: did it obviously when we were in government with people
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  Speaker 14: who'd gone through the Ukraine War or Afghanistan, etc.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to.
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  Speaker 14: Put people through their hoops, through the serious security assessments
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  Speaker 14: and to make sure you're not actually importing how aus
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  Speaker 14: sympathizers into suburban streets here in Sydney and Melbourne, which
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  Speaker 14: is something we're very concerned about.
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  Speaker 1: So if Burke was up for.
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  Speaker 14: The job, he'd be making that very clear. But they
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  Speaker 14: still seem to be equivocating.
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  Speaker 2: Chris, Yeah, I would argue also, the way to resolve
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  Speaker 2: the situation is not to remove Ghazan from Gaza, but
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  Speaker 2: to end the war, maximize the pressure on Humas, to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of Hummas, and return that area to peace
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: so that the people in the Palestinian territories can get
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: some order again.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But that is some way off. Just briefly though.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: The hostages, oh number one, return those hostages and always
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: seem to be forgotten by so many people. I wear
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: this badge every night for those hostages who are still
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the world same. Now, I just want to get you
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: quickly on this legislation to deal with the CFM.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Me you that's going to be held up.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Why is the coalition fiddling with this legislation?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Why can't it be passed straight away?
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: No one's fiddling with this legislation, Chris. It's been introduced today.
• 20:42
  Speaker 14: We haven't even started debating on it. We facilitated it
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: being introduced as quickly as possible. We want to see
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: the CFM you dealt with. But as the Minister responsible,
• 20:53
  Speaker 14: Minister Cash is made very very clear you could drive
• 20:56
  Speaker 14: a truck through this legislation.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It gives all the discretion.
• 21:00
  Speaker 14: About how to deal with the CFME EU and the
• 21:03
  Speaker 14: administration period to Minister what and when you've got a
• 21:06
  Speaker 14: Labor party who's got into this mess of their own
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: making by getting rid of the ABCC, who owe their.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Own pre selections and.
• 21:14
  Speaker 14: Political careers to the CFMU, you've got to ask why
• 21:19
  Speaker 14: aren't they declaring a conflict of interest every single time
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: they get up and talk about this stuff. So we
• 21:24
  Speaker 14: know there's issues with the bill and we are having
• 21:27
  Speaker 14: sensible and legitimate and careful conversations about amendments because as
• 21:33
  Speaker 14: it stands, it's a flawed bill.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll follow that one through.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I think Labor should reinstate the ab double C first
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: up is the first thing they should be doing.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: But that won't happen.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Senator, I appreciate it,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Senator Bridget McKenzie there live from Campbell.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We'll cross back to Canberra, catch up with Keith Wallahan
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: later in the program.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I want to go now though, to Peter ridd who's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the geophysicist and IPA fellow and expert on the Great Barrier.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: REEF. Good to talk talk to you again again on
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: this issue. Peter.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I know we've spoken a number of times, but it
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: keeps happening. And there's been all sorts of media coverage
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: over recent days about rising temperatures in the reef, the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: hottest oceans for four hundred years, the reef is going
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to die.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: We keep hearing this sort of alarmism.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yet from your accounts, the reef is in rude health.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: Three years in a row, the last three years in
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: a row, we've had more coral than any of the
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: previous thirty five years. It's never been better, despite supposedly
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: four or five catastrophic bleaching events which wiped out the coral.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: And they're saying that the coral that's bounced back is
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: actually the species that is most susceptible to hot water bleaching.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: And then just late last week we've got a bit
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: of extra data showing that the actual water temperature of
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: the Great Barrier Reef in the last fifty years is
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: about the same as it was in the seventeen hundreds.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: A wonderful news, but what it shows is the scientific
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: institutions have got it completely wrong and are completely untrustworthy.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I've got that graph that you set us up there.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Now you're saying, of course the water is warm compared
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to one hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: the same temperature as it was four hundred years ago.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: This is the context that's so often missing from any
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of this debate because I know you and I know
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: others who support your work. You all care about the reef.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: You know the reef. You want the reef to thrive,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: and you're telling us that it's in good condition and
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it can actually handle changes in ocean temperature that do
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: occur over time exactly.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: But the scandal is when that graph came out, it
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: was actually buried in the paper, and all the publicity
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: about that paper was talking about this four hundred year high,
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: which was about a different graph altogether. So what we're
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: seeing here is again and again the untrustworthiness of a
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: lot of the pronounces from the scientific institutions. But this
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: is actually affecting industries, especially up here in North Queensland.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: You know, the agricultural industry, the fishing industry. You know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: it's not just great barrier reef science, which is often
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: wrong that it's right across the board. But this record
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: amounts of coral, which is a different graph that we've
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: had in the last three years, is a wonderful opportunity
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: to try to get some auditing of the scientific institutions.
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: And what's got to happen is that the industries, especially
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: in Queensland, have got to get together and make sure
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: that the whole world and especially Australia knows that we're
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: at record high coral and that we need to audit
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: reef science institutions. You don't get record high coral every year.
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: We've got it for the last three years effectively, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: it should be made use of. But actually we're not
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: making use of it too, because actually most people don't
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: even know that the reef is in such good state
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: because of the media.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's trouble.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: It's global, this bad news, so it's actually killing off tourism.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: People need to know. I think the reef has become
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: like pole of the.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Climate alarmists have chosen it as their instrument of fear
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: and doom, and therefore it creates a completely wrong impression precisely.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: And I've actually been looking at some of the statistics
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: on tourism because when you actually do surveys of tourists,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: they all believe that, well, the reef is in a
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: pretty poor shape. And when you actually analyze the statistics.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: We could easily be losing up to a billion dollars
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: in tourist revenue because people aren't coming to North Queensland
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: or even necessarily even to Australia because they think the
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: reef is in a terrible shape when it's actually the opposite.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: It's actually never been.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Better, never been better. Great to hear that, Peter, thanks
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: so much for joining us again.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Peter rid there, who of course is a fellow with
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the IPA. We've got to get to a break. On
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the other side, Raygun is still dividing the nation. Will
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: fire up that debate with our panel plass at Victorian
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Labor backs down on plans to raise the age of
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: criminal responsibility to fourteen. Let's get into our Tuesday panel
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: now with the Radio two Double C Bread radio hoster
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Stephen Sennatiempo in the nation's capital and Susio O'Brien from
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the Herald Son joining us from Melbourne.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Nur Susi, who goes straight to you because you.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Have bravely waited in to the raygundefeat defending the honor
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: of Australia's break dancing sensation. What is it that you
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: liked about this appalling performance.
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: Well, I say, who cares that she looked a bit
• 26:24
  Speaker 15: like Katherin Kim at the Fountain Lakes RSL. Who cares
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: that she did the kind of dancing that I would
• 26:31
  Speaker 15: do on her New Year's Eve well after midnight when
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: my confidence outstrips my ability Because she gave it a crack,
• 26:38
  Speaker 15: and she had every right to be there because she qualified,
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: and anyone we are going to point the finger at,
• 26:45
  Speaker 15: it's the qualification process, not the individual. And I think,
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: you know, she's put a smile on the face of
• 26:52
  Speaker 15: a lot of people, and she got so badly humiliated
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: on social media, and she popped up the next day
• 26:59
  Speaker 15: she did the dams again and I think she's great,
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: so good on her.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Steven, you reckon she's the Eddie the Eagle of Paris.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just about Chris. The Olympics is not about
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: having a crack. That's what little Athletics is about. The
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Olympics is about elite sport. Now, yes, the selection process
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: is a problem, but you've also got to have a
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: bit of self awareness, like I don't try to qualify
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: for Olympic high jumping, Chris.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: You know why, because I don't think i'd be.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Very good at it, and I know expert on breakdancing,
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: but I did watch Bee Boy Jay attack our male breakdancer.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: I looked at him, I thought, you know what, this
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: boat looks like he knows what he's doing. I looked
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: at Raygun and said, she doesn't know what she's doing.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: It was pretty clear, and we the taxpayer paid for
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: her to have a free holiday to Paris.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Feed incon look, I reckon. It's hilarious on many levels.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But the serious point I made at the top of
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the program Susie, when you look at when you look
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: at Rachel Gunn, Raygun, the real person behind Reygun.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: She's milked this so well for deca.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: She's an academic specializing in breakdancing and gender issues. She's
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: got grants to do stuff for the city council on this,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: on breakdancing and the rest of it. This oz breaking
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: association that she's been involved with has only come up
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in the last few years. They've collected two hundred and
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: seventy five thousand dollars of government funding and she's got
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a taxpayer funded trip to the Olympics. I mean, it
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: looks like she's ridden this breakdancing way well. All the
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: way to Paris courtesy of taxpayers.
• 28:33
  Speaker 15: Well, she would probably not see it that way. She
• 28:37
  Speaker 15: legitimately did a PhD in breakdancing.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: And you.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Know, let me just stop you there. This is my point.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: How can a PhD in gender dynamics of breakdancing be legitimate?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And why should any academic money be spent on that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Sort of pursuit?
• 29:00
  Speaker 15: Why is there any less legitimate than what I did
• 29:03
  Speaker 15: my PhD in? And taxpayers paid for my PhD?
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: What was yours?
• 29:07
  Speaker 15: Educational?
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Let us judge?
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: Oh my god, I can't of it was like twenty
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: five years ago. It was about the power imbalance in
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: university culture, and to do with a post structuralist feminist point.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Congratulations Susie. Congratulations Susie. You're our next breakdown. It's champion.
• 29:36
  Speaker 15: But the thing is she's legitimately got a PhD. She
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: didn't game that. She earned that PhD. And she says
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: she paid her own trip, own.
• 29:44
  Speaker 16: Way to Paris.
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: And yes, she has had a couple of grants, but
• 29:47
  Speaker 15: compared to a lot of athletes, she has not had
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: a lot of money. She said she got a twenty
• 29:51
  Speaker 15: five thousand dollars grant a couple of years ago. So look,
• 29:55
  Speaker 15: I think, yes, but she has had some money, but
• 29:58
  Speaker 15: not as much as a lot of the elite athletes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 15: And you might say that's fair enough, but I tell
• 30:03
  Speaker 15: you what, she's been walking it.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I tell you what.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I reckon she's going to be rich now. I reckon
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: she's going to get a lot of private dollars. Because
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: have a look at the fame on display here on
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: US television.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You have to wonder where reagun is.
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: Right now, what's that music coming from? How are you
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: feeling since your performance? I'm like, oh, no, no, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: shall We don't know you understand me?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: What many dance with you? How you do that now, Steve?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't think you need to be very smart
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to do a PhD thesis on breakdancing and gender. But
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I think she'll be smart enough to turn this level
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of fame into.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: A few dollars, no doubt about that. And I think
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: she'll milk it for all it's worth. But I just
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: want to point out, in a response to something Susie said,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Gina Reinhardt had to pay for our swimmers to go,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: and they break it brought ome eight gold.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Medals, indeed, and they were up against some pretty good competition,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: but they didn't swim in there, John Howard, green and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: gold tracksuits.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. We'll leave Raygun there. We're going to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: hear a lot more about her and.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: In the days and weeks and months to come, I suppose,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: and maybe there'll be a push for there'll be a
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: push for a break dancing to stick around in the
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: next games, because at the moment La is going to
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: ditch it. I want to go to the deadly serious
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: issue now of youth crime. We talked about it last night,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: but there's been a move in Victorious SUSI that you know, well,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: whether the government was going to lift the age of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: criminal responsibility from ten to twelve and then to fourteen, now.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: They're going to leave it at twelve. Is that a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: wise decision?
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: And you know, this is a really interesting moment for
• 31:56
  Speaker 15: the new for the premiere. This is a perhaps a
• 31:59
  Speaker 15: coming of age for her where she has drawn a
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: line in the sand between her and her predecessor. She
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: has said the decision to lift the criminal age of
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: responsibility two fourteen was done by a different premiere in
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: a different time, under different circumstances. So she is saying
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: what he did, I'm not going to do and I
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: think it's going to be very, very popular. I mean,
• 32:20
  Speaker 15: just this week we had a nineteen year old whose
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: parents came from Sicily, David Polina, and he was killed.
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: He was on a motorbike and he was hit by
• 32:31
  Speaker 15: a car, a stolen car driven by a whole pile
• 32:34
  Speaker 15: of underage youths. And I mean, we are seeing too
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: much violence, too much death, too much destruction, and people
• 32:40
  Speaker 15: are caring more. They care about the lives of these
• 32:43
  Speaker 15: young people, but we're also caring about the terrible impact
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: on the victims and families like the Paulinas. So this
• 32:50
  Speaker 15: is absolutely the right decision.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, spot on.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Although Steve and a lot of people saying there's nothing
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: wrong with leaving it at ten, does it need to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: be raised to twelve?
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Not at all, because the reality is discretion is already
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: there and the legal system, discretion is there with the police,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: and we've got to break this narrative that there's a
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: whole raft of ten year olds locked up in maximum
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: security prisons for shoplifting. That's not what this is about.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: We're talking about serious crime, and we're talking about young
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: kids who are committing serious crime. Knowing full well what
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: they're doing. They need to be treated as the criminals
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: that they are.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I'm all for trying to rehabilitate them, but all of
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: this rubbish about they don't know what they're doing until
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: they turn fourteen is silly and we should have left
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: it at ten and left it up to the discretion
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: that is already there.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, looking at the legal system, it varies from
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: state to state, but it looks to me like there's
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: an enormous amount of discretion for the law and justice
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: system between ten and fourteen, and that's where you've got
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to have that discretion, because there can be twelve year
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: olds who do seriously evil crimes and know exactly what
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: they're doing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: It's a sad fact of life, that's it.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: But at least just center all and the Victoria has
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: seen a bit of sense on that issue. Not going
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: as far as fourteen would be quite disastrous. I want
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: to stick with Melbourne now because there's another initiative, initiative
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: that I think's been pushed by our old mate Nicholas Reese,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: who's currently the Lord Mayor of Melbourne, and he's looking
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: to get re elected there, so he's trying to drum
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: up a bit of publicity and one of the things
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: he's looking at doing Steven is getting rid of e
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: scooters from the CBD. Now, these e bikes and e
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: scooters around the place, I don't see people use them
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: very often. I do see them dumped all over Sydney
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and parks and footpaths and everywhere else. Someone's making a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: lot of money out of this, I guess, but it's
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: not very well organized.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: No doubt about it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I never thought i'd agree with Nicholas Reese on anything,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: but he's spot on this one. I mean, here in
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Canberra they are an absolute danger. Presentations to emergency rooms
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: have gone through the roof since we put these things
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: in here. We've got two separate companies that do them.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: They're strewn right across the city their eyesares. You could
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: be walking on the footpath and nearly get wiped out
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: by some clown riding along on one, and they're being
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: fished out of the lake of Knots. They're just it's
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: ridiculous that we ever put them in here in the
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: first place, but it is the act. So I don't
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: think of anybody surprised by that.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just can't see why they can't be racks
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: for them, you know, where they're supposed to go, rather
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: than just throw them around everywhere. It seems chaotic. But
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: we're stuck with them from a while yet. We'll see
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: what they do in the Melbourne City Council.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll leave you.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Get to get off to your breakdancing practice, Susi and Steven,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and then we'll catch up with you next week.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I've got to get to a break now.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: After that break, we got to talk about Elon Musk
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: interviewing Donald Trump on X.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Well, Kamala Harris run shy from the media.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: We'll head to the US for a breakdown on this
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: bizarre election race.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Don't go away.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I'll have more on Australian politics later with Keith Wallahan,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: but let's go to the US now. And Donald Trump
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: has joined Elon Musk in a live interview streamed on
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Musk's X platform formerly Twitter. The interview was viewed or
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: heard by men many millions of voters, despite technical problems
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: blocking some people and Musk blaming that on some sort
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of an attack, Trump spoke about the assassination attempt against
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: him describing how the turn of his head at that
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: moment meant that the bullet took his ear rather than
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: his head, and he described that as a miracle.
• 36:19
  Speaker 10: It hit me at an angle that was far less
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: destructive than any other angle. So that was the miracle
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: that was for those two. I don't believe in God.
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: I think we got to all start thinking about that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: You have to.
• 36:33
  Speaker 10: You know, I'm a believer. Now I'm more of a believer,
• 36:36
  Speaker 10: I think, and a lot of people have said that
• 36:37
  Speaker 10: to be a lot of great people have said that
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: to me.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Actually, this comes as Vice president and Democrat candidate Kamala
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Harris is lauded by the media. She's been given star
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: billing by Time magazine. Even though she's dodging any media scrutiny.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Her strategy is working with poles favoring her in the
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: key swing states. I put it to Kristen Tight, the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: rice is looking good for Harris at the moment.
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: Yes, Well, that's because the media is successfully making this
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: an election about personality and not policy. This is all
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: about vibes and Kamala Harris being this new exciting candidate,
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: the first female of color, and a lot of voters
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: are buying that, And unfortunately Chris Trump is not doing
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: enough to make this election about policies. Every day he
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: should be out there hammering Kamala Harris on what a
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: disaster the country has been thrown into under her leadership
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: with President Joe Biden. But sometimes Trump gets sucked into
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: these food fights political food fights, and when he does
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: things like saying, oh, Kamala Harris isn't really black and
• 37:44
  Speaker 9: makes these kind of comments, some of them are pretty funny,
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: but it does not help his case in terms of
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: getting support amongst those moderate voters who are buying into
• 37:54
  Speaker 9: a lot of the garbage being fed to them by
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: the mainstream media about Kamala Harris being this inspiring figure.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: She's not.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's totally predictable that
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: she's going to get this honeymoon period from the media.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: People are going to be lauding her for all the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: reasons you say. But the critical thing is whether this lasts,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: whether this can last all the way through to November
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: till the election or where people or whether people starting
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to see through her and critical if people are going
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: to see through her and talk about policies, is her
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: being exposed to media scrutiny, but she's done no interviews
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: since she's been declared as the nominee, and have a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: listened to this exchange because she seems to be in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: no hurry to put herself under any scrutiny.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: There's been a lot of questions about when you're going
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: to stick down for your first interview.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Still thing that I'm in need.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: That's to my team.
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: I want us to get an interview schedule by the end.
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: Of the month.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: This is amazing, Christian that in your system you can
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: be at this level and be in this contest and
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: not be doing interviews.
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: Well, why would she do interviews? It just presents unnecessary
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: risk the situation right now. She can kind of do
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: the Joe Biden basement strategy. She can sit back and
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: let the press do all the work for her. Why
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: get out there and present a risk of embarrassing yourself
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: in front of voters or saying something kind of stupid.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: We all know Kamala is not a gifted speaker anyways.
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: She's constantly mocked on the right for her words, salads
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: and saying these awkward things and of course the infamous
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: cackling laugh. So if I were advising her, I'd be
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: telling her to do the exact same thing. But yes,
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: it's incredibly frustrating as Republicans, and that's again why Trump
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: needs to be out there hammering her and Biden on
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: the disaster that their administration has been on policy.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It is amazing to watch because now democratic system in Australia,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: we are used to politicians having to front up to
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: press conferences and interviews all the time. Yet, as you say,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is getting away with this because she can,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and incredibly some media are actually defending this strategy.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: What has struck me since Donald Trump's press conference is
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: sort of the sort of high brow nature of the
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: press coming at Kamala Harris saying, well, she, in my view,
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: whining that she hasn't she doesn't talk to us, she
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: hasn't done a sit down with us, she hasn't done
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: interviews with us. Right now, is there a real neat
• 40:23
  Speaker 11: for her to sort of, you know, get the impromata
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: of the press on her campaign?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the media making the argument for the lack of scrutiny,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: which is extraordinary Christian because it's not about the media,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: it's not about fronting up to the media. It's about
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: fronting up to the public, to voters, to opening yourself
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: up to democratic scrutiny for the sake of voters.
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: Right well, I mean, at this point the media is
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: just an arm of the Democratic Party, so it's not
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: particularly surprising. And make no mistake, Chris, if she does
• 40:55
  Speaker 9: do a sit down, she's going to choose a journalist
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: who won't ask her any tough questions whatsoever. But the
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: big question is the one you posed earlier, which is
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: will this honeymoon phase last long enough to get her
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: across the finish line. And there's a very real chance
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: that it will. Most of the time, these candidates are
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: of course picked way earlier in the process. At least
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: even if it's not official that they would be the candidate,
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: we would know months earlier who the candidate would be,
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: so that honeymoon period will have usually a four or
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: five month time frame, and then it kind of dies
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: down and things go back to normal. But because the
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: Democrats have pulled off this coup by forcing Joe Biden
• 41:31
  Speaker 9: out and forcing Kamala at the last minute, they may
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: just pull it off where they get to that election
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: day before the hype has died down. It's got to
• 41:41
  Speaker 9: be seen. I'm not sure, but it's possible.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: We will see.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I think you're right that Donald Trump needs to find
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: his target, find his line to attack Kamala Harris on
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: these issues of substance, And while he hasn't really been
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: able to do that so far in these public comments,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: some of his advertising is attacking her record on policy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Look at this, I am Pamela here. You're considered the
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: most liberally United States senator. Well, actually, the nonpartisan.
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: GUV track has rated you as the most liberal senator.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: You have any plans to visit the border. We are
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: going to the border. We've been to the border, and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I haven't been to Europe.
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: I am in favor of saying that we're not.
• 42:27
  Speaker 13: Going to treat people who are undocumented across the borders criminal.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: That's correct, That is correct. Well, there's the clue there, Kristin,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It's all there in his own ads.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump's got plenty to work with.
• 42:40
  Speaker 9: Yes, this is exactly the line that Donald Trump needs
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: to take. The Donald Trump campaign is doing a fabulous job.
• 42:47
  Speaker 9: Unfortunately it's Trump himself who can't seem to stay on
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: a message. And you know it pains me to say
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: that I badly want Trump.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: To win this election.
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: I think the future of the country depends on it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: And hilariously, Chris, while all of this is going on,
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: Ola Harris is running ads claiming that she's a big
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: border hawk. She's literally running to the right of Trump
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: on the border as migrants pour into this country by
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: the millions. So she needs to be called out on
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: this issue and many others. If this becomes a popularity
• 43:15
  Speaker 9: contest about who's the kinder person, who's more popular with
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: the celebrities, who's younger, Donald Trump will lose. He needs
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: to save his campaign and step up with the messaging.
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: But I love that ad and I hope that he can.
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: He can sort of imitate that messaging day to day
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: when he talks to the press.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: There's a long way to guy still, Kristen, We'll see
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: how it all un Fald, thanks so much for.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Joining us again.
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I would love to see Kamala Harris full on press
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: conference and I think we'll ever say one du cigur
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: around after the bright We're going to talk about anti Semitism,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: is lamaphobia, and the Muslim vote in Australia. Afghanistan veteran
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and Liberal MPa Keith Wallahan joins me.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Next, let's keep going.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: With this discussion about social cohesion and national security when
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: it comes to refugees and issues in society such as
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: anti Semitism and Islamophobia. And let's go back to Canberra
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and catch up with Liberal MP and Afghan veteran Keith Wallahan.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Keith, thanks for joining us. You must be.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Concerned about the way this debate's going. We had the
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Greens trying to pull on an anti Israel motion in
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the Senate today, and of course we've had the Director
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: General of ASIO saying that people who sympathize with humas
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: could still be led into this country.
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: We're at a critical juncture in our democracy and many,
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: like the Greens, are seeking to divide us and to
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: divide us in a really insidious way. We have within
• 44:48
  Speaker 16: our party Muslim candidates in the upcoming election. There's two
• 44:51
  Speaker 16: for my party in Victoria, including one who's an Afghan refugee,
• 44:55
  Speaker 16: Zayad Safi. The Labor Party has Muslim candidates and members.
• 45:01
  Speaker 16: There is no one Muslim vote within the community. It's
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: a diverse community that makes up a wide variety of
• 45:08
  Speaker 16: people and backgrounds and their interests are spread across the
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: political spectrum, so to seek to divide us on this
• 45:15
  Speaker 16: one issue is really not good for our democracy and
• 45:18
  Speaker 16: it's dishonest the way that it's been peddled.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Well, the Home Affairs Minister, Immigration Minister Tiny Burke is
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: now going to face an independent challenge in the seat
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: of Watson.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Now this is a bloke by the name of Ziad
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: baz Uni.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Now he stresses that there are priorities in his campaign
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: like the cost of living and health and education in infrastructure,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: but he does say that Middle East issues are the
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: trigger that got him into politics.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Have a listened to this.
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: The failure of our government to represent, the failure of
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: our member to represent the values that are being practiced
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: here in the community regarding human rights and what's happening
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: in Gaza. Forty thousand people probably more have died, have
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: been killed. This has been called applausible genocide by the
• 46:07
  Speaker 8: ic G. Yet not represented, not heard.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't think he's got a lot of hope
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: of winning that seat. And I noticed another prominent Muslim man,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Jamal Jane Ridney, is supporting Tony Burke. Of course, but
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the concern here is that they're saying that Labor hasn't
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: been supportive enough of the Palestinian people. Labor has been
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: calling repeatedly for ceasefires, It's allowed in hundreds of guards
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: and refugees, has been very soft on the on the terrorists,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and very soft in its support for Israel, I would argue,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Yet people are criticizing it in this fashion.
• 46:54
  Speaker 16: And this is the dishonesty at the heart of this campaign.
• 46:57
  Speaker 16: It is a free country and anyone can run in
• 46:59
  Speaker 16: any election anywhere, and my party saw that with the
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: Teal movement at the last election, and you can see
• 47:05
  Speaker 16: that the Teal model of campaigning is one that they'll
• 47:08
  Speaker 16: seek to replicate. Create a volunteer movement that will knock
• 47:12
  Speaker 16: on doors and make calls and do all the other
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: things that the Teals show it can work.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: But at the heart of it is a dishonesty. And
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the dishonesty is.
• 47:19
  Speaker 16: This that they're claiming that if that person is elected
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: and more like them, then this country will have something
• 47:26
  Speaker 16: to say about stopping a war that we did not start.
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: It's just dishonest, and I think the people in that
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: seat and every other set I hope in this election
• 47:38
  Speaker 16: that there's free and frank discussion about what is actually
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: being promised and what can actually be delivered and we'll
• 47:44
  Speaker 16: wait and see how that plays out and coming election.
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Jamal Riffi, Sorry I mispronounced his name earlier. Jamal Riffi
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: a former Australian of the Year from the Australian newspaper,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a very good blog.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: He's supporting Tony Burke.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: So it demonstrates this point of a diversity of views
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: within the Muslim community.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: But I want to get your reaction very quickly.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Keith Wellerhan's is something that the Director General of ASIO
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: said in a press conference last week.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Have a look in terms of where this is going.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's across the board.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Yes, there's plenty of anti Semitism, but there's plenty of
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: Islamophobia at the same time. It's kind of an almost
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: equal treatment, not quite but almost equal treatment.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, equating antisemitism and Islamophobia in this country. Clearly he's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: wrong is and he do you have confidence in what
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Mike Burgess is doing and.
• 48:30
  Speaker 16: Saying, well, we have to take a face value that
• 48:35
  Speaker 16: he's got privy to information that I'm not privy to.
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: But I'm a member of Parliament from Melbourne, and our
• 48:42
  Speaker 16: anecdotal evidence is that there is widespread antisemitism, particularly in Melbourne,
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: and particularly the Jewish community are facing that. That's not
• 48:50
  Speaker 16: to say there is discrimination and other forms of hatred
• 48:53
  Speaker 16: in the community, but we haven't seen it at that scale,
• 48:57
  Speaker 16: particularly on the streets of our metropolitan cities and on
• 49:01
  Speaker 16: social media. We just haven't seen that same scale. And
• 49:04
  Speaker 16: I think we can be mature enough as a country
• 49:06
  Speaker 16: and I'd implore agencies to do the same to not
• 49:08
  Speaker 16: feel like they have to add this either or all
• 49:12
  Speaker 16: the time. We can single out hate when we see it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Well said Keith, and thanks for joining us, Keith Wallerhome
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: they're Liberal MP joining us live from Parliament House camera.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: That's all the time we've got for you tonight, but
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: stay tuned.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Here comes Peter Quidlin.