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What Did Data Show About Tyler Steen As Starter Vs. Coming In Off Bench? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to Inside the Data. On Inside the Birds,
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  I'm Jeff Motioner. Of course, joining us is Sam Finkel,
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  are Analytics and Metrics special. As we roll through the
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  summer and get very close to Eagles training camp, we
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  continue to hammer home on the analytics on the metrics,
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  and Sam continues to answer questions from our great listeners,
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  And we've got a really awesome question.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to explore regarding Tyler Steen.
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  Speaker 1: Sam, because obviously, when you talk about some of the competitions,
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  a lot of them are on defense.
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  Speaker 2: This year they got our place half of defense.
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  Speaker 1: On offense, there's really not a whole lot of competition
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  except one really important spot, and that is starting right guard,
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  where Tyler Steen is sort of the lead candidate here
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  among a race where there's some other interesting guys competing
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  with him to become Well. I guess it'll be like
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  the fourth starting right guard in the last four years.
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  It's kind of crazy that there's been that much rotation
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  and instability at one spot, whereas the rest of the
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  line has been pretty ironclad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent agreed.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just a testament to this offensive line
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  and Stoutland and the team.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And so I think that's why I don't
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  think people are as concerned about right guard, even though
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  as we'll go through it, there's no certainties at all.
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  But I think people just have so much faith in
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  just Stoutland that it's going to work out. And then, plus,
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  what do you think about just the idea that even
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  if Tyler Steeton is adequate or whoever starts right guards adequate,
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  that adequate guard is going to be surrounded by a
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  Pro Bowl center, an All Pro and Hall of Fame
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  right tackle, a left tackle who probably should be a
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  Pro Bowl or at the stage he's an elite left tackle,
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  and then a left guard is a three time Pro Bowler.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 4: I think that really you could plug and play pretty
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  easily there trying to diminish, you know, that spot, especially
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  because it's important part of the offensive line. But I
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  think you can mitigate a lot of weaknesses.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost like the if you're great, that's awesome,
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  just don't be a turnstile, right Like, if you're not great,
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  that's okay too. And by the way, you know, I
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  think we did a little bit of an analytical breakdown
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  at the end of last year on Makai Becton, he
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  played well, but it was not like he played at
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  an all pro level. He just kind of got in
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  where he fit in, and I think his weaknesses as
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  a guard for the first time were mitigated by what
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  you just said having a lot of elite.
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  Speaker 2: Talent around him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be interesting to see what Becton does with the
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  charters to see if that was justified or not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I think similarly, he's around a lot of
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  good offensive linemen and they're going to pound the rock,
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  which is where he specializes with that massive body. And
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  then plus the quarterback also has some good mobility skills
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  there and justin Herbert, so I feel like it's a
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  good natural fit. But you're right, No, Stotland, there, different offense,
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  different environment.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see how that works out for him.
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  Speaker 1: But this episode will be dedicated to Tyler Steen and
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  the question that we got I believe this one came
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  from x for really on Twitter from Pars and Gars
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  is how did Tyler Steen great out starting as opposed
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  to coming off the bench. And he's curious how much
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  practice reps helped him prepare in addition to his mental state.
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  So let's answer the second part first, because I don't
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  know that there's anything analytics wise that can help us
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  understand how the practice reps help or don't help when
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  you're forced into action in the middle of the game
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  as opposed to when you already know you're the starter.
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  Speaker 2: I just know we know this.
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  Speaker 1: During the week, the first team gets like so much
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  of the practice reps, and even the second stringers and
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  the backups, it's a real scratch and claw. They get
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  in there, they get some work. Some of them work
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  on the scout team, So it's really tough. I think
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  that's why when you're thrown into action as opposed to starting,
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  I think you see a little bit of a decline
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  and play. It's really tough to come in cold, especially
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  at that position.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean I agree with you completely, and I
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  think the data agrees with you. I do want to
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  take a quick second to acknowledge how cool the name
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  is pars and gars.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a hilarious name.
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  Speaker 1: And now, is there is there a reference that I'm
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  missing with it? Like maybe is that a pop culture
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  reference or.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's talking about golf course and cigars, like
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  pars and guards.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out, you know while we had it.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great reference now that I get it. Are
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  you a golfer?
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  Speaker 3: I do play golf. I'm not good at it, but
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  I do.
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  Speaker 1: Like you and I should play sometime because we're the
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  same I do. I do like to enjoy a cigar
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  on the golf course. I like to do a scar
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  not on the golf course, but especially.
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  Speaker 3: When I'm on for sure, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so back, thanks for the question, Pars and Gars,
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  and by the way, continue to please send your questions
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  to us.
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  Speaker 2: There's several ways.
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  Speaker 1: The best ways inside the Birds at Gmail dot and
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  if you scroll down that enables you to submit any
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  questions that will come to our email. So plenty of
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  different ways you can ask questions. And this one obviously
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  is about Tyler Steen. So Sam, let us get in
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  to the great numbers that you have put together and
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  I will use my expertise here that I've learned right
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  with the sharing the screen and the data here all right,
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  so you see the.
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  Speaker 4: Chart, I will say the first thing that pops off
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  the screen to me at least, and again, this data
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  in particular was sourced by PFF, so I want to
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  be like super clear that you may see some discrepancies
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  between different databases. This one is from PFF in particular.
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  But the thing that's really interesting to me is the
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  sacks coup column as you can see zero.
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  Speaker 3: So what that knows is.
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  Speaker 4: Steen has not allowed a sack in all of his
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  past blocking attempts throughout his short NFL career, which sounds
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  super impressive, but I think it's important to realize it's
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  only two hundred and twenty one snaps.
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: I will throw in this though, Sam, that I think
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  some people will look at that and say, well, you
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  got a nice mobile quarterback behind you, so when there's pressure,
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  he's good at getting away with it. However, I think
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  the counter to that is the quarterback took, as we
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  have detailed in some other inside the data mailbacks, the
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  quarterback took a truckload of sacks last year. Amazingly a
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  lotto the ball as much as it didn't turn over,
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  but he was a sack machine the time he had
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  one of the highest sack percentages in the NFL for
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  a quarterback, and that's playing behind a filial, elite offensive line.
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  So to say to mitigate zero sacks allowed, even if
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  it is just limited snaps by saying, well, you got
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  a mobile quarterback, I think it's not necessarily the best
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  way argument if you're trying to go against it, you
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  know what I'm saying, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 4: And I think even more cementing that kind of argument
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  is you look at the quarterback hits. He's only allowed
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  one in his career, and I mean the hurries is
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  seventeen out of two hundred and twenty one snaps, which
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  is pretty elite. Again, this is a volume based thing.
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  When he's on the field more, assuming he gets the
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  starting role, he's going to allow more pressures. Whether that's hits,
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  hurries or sacks. There's going to be pressures just by
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  virtue of being out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think maybe the other thing that jumps
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  out is that you know, he'd like to stay away
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  from the AFC North because his snaps for pressure allowed
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  against the Bengals and against the Steelers is just.
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  Speaker 2: So far above everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: Although you know this seventeen near seventeen percent against Washington
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  is a little arming as well. But again, yeah, and
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  that one came in a start, that's why it's probably,
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  but so did the Bengals one, the Steelers one.
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  Speaker 2: He was thrown into it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go through the starts versus non stars, but he
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  just jump out, go ahead.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, it's actually the inverse, right. So the way I
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  did the metric is snaps for pressure. So that's how
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  many snaps until a pressure was allowed. So lower number
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  is actually worse.
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  Speaker 1: Great, Okay, so I'm completely wrong, and I'm fine with that.
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  We won't even edit it out. I'll just basically say
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  I was reading it incorrectly. So he did well against
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  the Bengals and did well against the Steelers, right.
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  Speaker 4: Right, And I would just say that is just like
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  an interesting nuance of how I track the stats.
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  Speaker 3: That is not on you.
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  Speaker 4: This is a very as I mentioned in the previous episode,
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  it's just a different way to look at it because
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  I think it's a more I was hoping it'd be
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  more user friendly, but I'm sorry it didn't know it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I remember this now from a past one that you did,
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  so I should have sort of like I think when
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  we did the post Super Bowl one, you did the
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  entire offense, or the pre Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Preview, you did it that way, and I just forgot.
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  So that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem bidding when I'm wrong, and I'm
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  not even the type of person that says we have
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  to edit out. I like the continuous conversation about it.
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  So that's good. So those are those numbers reflect could numbers.
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  You know, we see the six pressures against Dallas in
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  a start, and then we see also he allowed I
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  mean really that that would seemed to be his worst one,
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  and that was a start in Week nine against the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 3: Right, both A lot of his Dallas games are not great.
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  Speaker 4: So if you looked at all the Dallas ones, I mean,
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  it's five point eight three two point h three point zho.
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  I mean he's it's against Dallas, it seems like he's
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  had some trouble, which kind of makes sense because that
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  their defensive line is pretty solid.
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  Speaker 1: So this even goes back to his rookie year he started.
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  If you remember, think a Sunday night game against the Cowboys,
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  if the Eagles won it, but I remember going through
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  the film the next day and there were I believe
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  it was his first start too, and first playing action,
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  and I remember seeing some positive things to build on,
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  and then some things that, you know, we're worrisome because
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  he's a he was a rookie. It wasn't a big
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  deal at the time. And then they got there. Whoever
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  was starting that year, and let's see as a rookie.
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  I want to say that might have been Sam Allows
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  last year with the Eagles, if I'm correct, because it
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  was Beckton last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was Sam. No, it was Jurgons.
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  Speaker 1: Jurgens was the right guard two years ago when Stein
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  was a rookie and Jurgens had missed one game. I
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  believe my concussion or a pectorial issue or something like that,
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  and that's what made Steen start. And it was there
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  were some rough moments for him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and as you can see that it was week
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  nine and twenty twenty three, he had thirty five pass
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  blocking snaps and allowed six pressures on those thirty five, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like almost yeah, that's that's that's not a great
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  percentage for you if you're a guard. That's correct, all right,
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  So those were his this first box that people are
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  looking at. I mean, we tried to also talk about
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  it for people who are only listening to the podcast.
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  But that's what we would get from this entire breakdown
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  of his snaps last year, whether we're starting or coming in.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's only two hundred and twenty one snaps, and so
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  the numbers, the percentages are gonna going to vary. But
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  a game against Dallas where he allows five and thirty five,
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  but then there's a game against New Orleans, right where
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  he plays thirty six snaps and allows no hurries, no pressures,
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  no sacks.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember.
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  Speaker 1: That the Saints were a little beat up at the time,
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  but I think they had all their defensive linemen in
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  that game.
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  Speaker 2: So that's an impressive display for him there.
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  Speaker 4: Sure one hundred, and I think what's interesting about that
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  New Orleans one is that was not considered a start,
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  just by PFF.
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  Speaker 3: It was just considered a play.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, who he played thirty six? Now he played
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  about half the game then.
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  Speaker 3: Well that was just pass blocking snaps, so he probably played,
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  that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably played. He did he did, all right? Cool?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody left early, that would be I can't I
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  think he might have played left guard that game, Dickerson
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  may have come out. Sure that sounds right, Yeah, yeah,
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  either way? Yeah, all right, So let's move to just
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  when he was a starter. Sure, okay, so that was
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  Week nine against the Cowboys, week eight against the Bengals.
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  I'm sorry, week nine from twenty twenty three. I should
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  mention last year. It was Week eight against the Bengals
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  and Week eighteen against the Giants. That's when all the
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  backups played. And then he played in the conference championship
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  game right versus Washington. Because was that when Dickerson played
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  center right? Because yeah, Jurgens was on the sideline with
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  the back. Dickerson started at center and he Steen started
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  at left guard. And then when Dickerson heard Jerkers just
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  came back in and played center and they won the game,
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  obviously in a blowout. What JEMs out to you from
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  his starting stats.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it's interesting. I think first off
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  that he pointed out that he played both left and
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  right guard, and I think that's a nuance that people
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  will often overlook. And because I mean guard right, you're
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  doing the same thing right, so left and right doesn't
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  make a difference. But as you can see in a
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  lot of NFL players career, like having a side and
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  going towards a certain direction does make an impact. So
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  I think it's important while looking at these stats to
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  recognize that he has played both sides and something.
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  Speaker 3: These stats reflect both sides.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, So the Bengals, we know their defense isn't great.
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  You know, he started that game, had twenty four pass
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  blocking snaps, only allowed one hurry, one pressure, So that's
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  pretty good. I mean, I think that you go on
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  that's on the road also, so you're silent counting Sam, right,
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  So I think that that's pretty reflective of It's hard
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  for me to put too much into the Giants game
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  because that was, you know, abysmal anyway, although he did
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  allow three pressures and three hurries against the Giants team.
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  But if you are to isolate one area of the Giants,
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  that's good they did.
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  Speaker 2: I think Exterra Lawrence did play in that game. I
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  think they had.
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  Speaker 1: Burns and Lawrence and most of their front four. That's
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  like the only part of the Giants that was actually worries.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and unfortunately it only got better.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah yeah, So so so what do you make
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  of that sort of a really nice road start? Against
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  the Bengals last year versus a Giants game where he
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  just wasn't as good when he had the whole week
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  to prepare for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that's a good point. I think that, again,
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  it's a sample size issue, right, there's only a few
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  games on there. There's only four games that he actually started,
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  and so I think it's really hard to project based
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  off of just those four games. But it seems like
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  he kind of had mixed results in both of them. Again,
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  he only allowed one hit in those four starts, and
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  it was his rookie year in Dallas, I mean against Dallas,
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  it was in Philly, and so I think, I mean,
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  you really can't ask for much more, at least from
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  the stat sheet, for coming in, especially being able to
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  play both sides of the line. I feel like you're
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  pretty comfortable if he can replicate these.
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  Speaker 3: Results as starter. I feel like you feel pretty good
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  about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking at the box score from that Giants game,
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  and I actually don't think Dexter Lawrence played. He was
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  hurt in that game, so they're really you know, I'm
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  looking at the guys who played the most amount of
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  snaps on the D line Elijah Garcia, nose tackle, Jordan Riley,
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  Braki Nunez.
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  Speaker 2: Rochez, they call him a nacho.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's really more of a run stuffer than
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  a pass rusher Corey Durden. So honestly, I think you
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  got a look at this and say that was it.
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  You just framed it perfectly, very up and down. Started
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  against the Bengals defense, did well in that game. Started
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  against a backup Giants D line and allowed some hurries
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  and pressure.
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  Speaker 2: So again up and down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but again I think you take it. I think
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  you you would take these stats up and down because
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  the downside isn't down enough where I feel worried.
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  Speaker 1: Right again, right, no sacks allowed only even in the
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  hurries and pressures that allowed against the Giants, no no hits.
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  So no no sacks, no quarterback hits. So I would
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  agree with you that there's it wasn't a complete disaster.
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  It's not like a Winston Justice replacing Trey Thomas type thing.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Now, Let's look when he's just forced into action,
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  which we know is a very difficult situation for an
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  offensive lineman. You have to go in in the middle
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  of a game, well, anything jump out to you on
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  this chart.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, when we just compared the last one,
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  his total snaps for pressure was at nine point nine
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  to two, which means he was allowing a pressure every
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  ten let's just call it ten snaps. When he just
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  comes in in relief, it's seventeen, right, So I think
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  it just shows you that you know, he can go
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  in there and you can plug and play him if necessary,
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  and he'll still he'll be better. And I think part
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  of the reason, and part of the reason for that,
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  I think is because you know you're not having to
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  fight every single down, there's a little bit less wear
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  and tear throughout the game. You're not as exhausted. So
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  I think that first off would be the first point
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  that i'd make on that. The second thing I'd make
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  and what's interesting is if you look at the snap
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  counts from his starting reps to his non starting reps,
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  it's one hundred and nineteen to a hundred in two,
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  so it's actually pretty comparable. So I think you, even
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  though there are more games obviously in the non starting roles,
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  the snaps are somewhat comparable, So you feel pretty good
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  about saying like this is kind of who he is
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  as a player. Now, again, the sample size is not great.
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  You want more games to be able to project this
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  stuff and analyze it, right, But what you have you
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  can kind of see what kind of player he is.
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  And again, if he plays the way he's been playing,
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  he would be a great addition to them.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, especially under that umbrella that we said earlier,
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  is no one's asking you to go in and play
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  at an all pro level. You just have to fit
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  in with this really good starting line. Basically, be assignment
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  sound as much as possible. If you are adequate to good,
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  you will be good and the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Will be in good shape.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And again something that's always frustrating to me and
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  I think I think the viewers need to and listeners
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  need to hear it is most of the stats we
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  have on offensive line is regarding the pass game. It's
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  almost especially for the Eagles, just as important, maybe even
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  more important, how to impact the run game. And there
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  it's really hard to contextualize that success in the run game.
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  Speaker 3: It just purely on a statistics basis.
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  Speaker 4: So just because his pass blocking is above average, his
• 19:34
  run blocking also would need to be average at least
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  average in order for him to maintain and be successful
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  in that spot, right, even though we can't capture it
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  great in you know, just numbers, It's an important aspect
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  and an under discussed and undercaptured part of the offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I look at a situation. Take a Pittsburgh
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  game where he came off the bench, but he wound
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  up playing quite a bit. Twenty three pass blocks alone.
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  I'm sorry, Yeah, that's a non start, right, and that's
• 20:37
  a really good front six, front seven.
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  Speaker 2: Good pass rush.
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  Speaker 1: I believe what was hurt in that game. But they
• 20:43
  still have a bunch of guy Cano. Benton's a tough
• 20:45
  interior guy Cam Hayward, right, another tough guy who can
• 20:51
  give you a lot of issues. And you know, one hurry,
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  one pressure on twenty three snaps pass block snaps. That's encouraging,
• 20:58
  and so you're gonna see that. Then they're gonna see
• 21:00
  Giants game where he plays fifteen pass blocking snaps and
• 21:04
  gives up two pressure to hurries and wonder what the heck.
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  But the point you're making is that I think a
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  solid as a it's hard to be a guy who
• 21:12
  starts sometimes and is a reserve sometimes because of all
• 21:15
  the practice that you're getting and not getting involved, and
• 21:18
  then all the rhythm you're getting in and not getting
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  You watched Mackai Becton as the season went on get
• 21:23
  better because he was comfortable, he was settling in, And
• 21:26
  so I do think Tyler Steen, when all said and done,
• 21:30
  when we have more of a sample size, and not
• 21:32
  just some sample size, but also it's linear. You started
• 21:35
  game one, game two, game three, game four, game five,
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  I would imagine that the trajectory, the coaching, the background
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  is there to see something a little bit more where
• 21:44
  we can make something of it, as opposed to just
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  trying to pull like bits and pieces of starts and
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  non starts. But the question was a good question, and
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  we want to be able to frame it this way
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  and show you that there are some really encouraging metrics here,
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  and there are some metrics that say all right, So
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  maybe he might be a little inconsistent as you would expect,
• 22:05
  but there's nothing here that says disaster or nightmare. Also
• 22:08
  nothing that would make you say definite all pro. So
• 22:10
  we just need a little bit more of a sample
• 22:13
  size and that's what we'll get in training camp and
• 22:15
  most likely into the season.
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  Speaker 2: I would think absolutely, all right, great stuff. I think
• 22:20
  this helps put it in great perspective. I love seeing
• 22:23
  the numbers in the charts.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Sam, you do a great job putting that together, and
• 22:27
  I think we are all looking forward to training camp
• 22:29
  and this great right guard battle between Tyler Steen Kenyan
• 22:33
  Green and I'll say this, I'll let's leave this on this.
• 22:36
  I want your opinion on this too. I feel like
• 22:39
  Matt Pryor, who didn't have a very good Eagles career
• 22:43
  but seemingly has gone on and I'm surprised that he's
• 22:46
  still in the league and played for three different teams
• 22:48
  and started I feel like he shouldn't be counted out
• 22:51
  in this conversation. I think you can make an argument
• 22:54
  that Matt Pryor a pretty convincing one too, And you
• 22:57
  don't even need data and metrics. Matt Pryor's had a
• 22:59
  better career so far than Kenyon Green. All Right, everybody's
• 23:02
  talking about Kenyon Green versus versus Tyler Stein here, but
• 23:06
  Matt Pryor should not be discounted.
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  Speaker 3: Agree, Agreed.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I think he could have, you know, an
• 23:12
  edge potentially too, just because of you know, the experience.
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  Speaker 1: Right and the versatility. You can play right tackle, right guard.
• 23:19
  He has played left tackle. That's not where you want
• 23:21
  him in the NFL. You'll notice when he has played
• 23:23
  left tackle, it's not been a good situation overall for
• 23:26
  the team.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: He always forced to do it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that versatility alone gives him I think an
• 23:30
  edge over Kenyon Green unless Kenyon Green becomes the guard
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  that he was supposed to be.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and honestly, if anyone's gonna unlock Kenyon Green, Jeff
• 23:40
  Stallin so.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: All right, So that makes us three horse race a
• 23:43
  really interesting one in training camp. That's gonna do it
• 23:46
  for this inside the data with Sam Finkel, I'm Jeff Mosher,
• 23:50
  thank you all for watching. We'll catch you on the
• 23:53
  next one.