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“Mitch McConnell, Welcome to the Resistance.” (with John Legend and Senator Warren!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sam Sanders. I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 3: Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a very big show for you today. Sam
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  Speaker 1: Sanders is here to join us for the news. Sam
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  Speaker 1: is the host of the brand new culture podcast, Into It,
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  Speaker 3: So, Sam, welcome.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: It's good to be here.
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  Speaker 1: our all-time favorite senators and friends of the pod, Elizabeth Warren.
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  Speaker 1: let's get to the news. The January 6th committee postponed
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  Speaker 1: this week's season premiere of Insurrection. because of Hurricane Ian,
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  Speaker 1: but there's still plenty of news to discuss. We weren't
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  Speaker 1: gonna let a January 6th hearing go. Just because it
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  Speaker 1: was postponed. We're still gonna talk about it. Plenty of
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  Speaker 1: ongoing threats to democracy from Donald Trump and his goon squad.
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  Speaker 1: We learned that the committee has footage of longtime Trump
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  Speaker 1: advisor and convicted criminal Roger Stone threatening violence and plotting
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  Speaker 1: to overturn the election. Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just hope we're celebrating.
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  Speaker 7: I suspect it'll be, I really do suspect it'll still
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  Speaker 7: be up in the air.
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  Speaker 8: When that happens, the key thing to do is to
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  Speaker 8: claim victory.
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  Speaker 4: Possession is nine-tenths the law.
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  Speaker 2: No, we won.
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  Speaker 3: F * * * you. Sorry, over.
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  Speaker 8: We won. You're wrong.
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  Speaker 3: F * * * you.
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  Speaker 7: F * * *.
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  Speaker 3: The violence.
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  Speaker 7: F * * * the voting.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get right to the violence.
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  Speaker 9: Shoot to kill.
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  Speaker 8: See an Antifa?
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  Speaker 7: Shoot to kill.
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  Speaker 3: F * * * them.
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  Speaker 7: Done with this bullsh * *.
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  Speaker 1: That guy's a piece of work.
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  Speaker 2: It's really a third act Tony Montana vibes. Just like,
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  Speaker 2: we'll go to war. I'll take down the whole cartel,
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  Speaker 2: you know? Fucking piles of coke.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, where does Roger Stone fit into the case that
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  Speaker 1: the committee is trying to make about January 6th?
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  Speaker 6: So we do know that from the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony
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  Speaker 6: that on January 5th, Trump told Mark Meadows to ask
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  Speaker 6: Roger Stone and Michael Flynn.
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  Speaker 3: another sort.
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  Speaker 6: Of sociopath who's lost touch with reality, what was going
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  Speaker 6: to happen the next day. So Trump seemed to think
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  Speaker 6: that Stone had some special, unique insight that he wanted
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  Speaker 6: to know as president of the United States. We also
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  Speaker 6: know that Mark Meadows, then chief of staff, called Roger Stone,
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  Speaker 6: called Flynn the evening of the 5th, considered going over
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  Speaker 6: to their little makeshift war room with Steve Bannon at
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  Speaker 6: the Willard Hotel. And the Oath Keepers, a white nationalist, racist,
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  Speaker 6: fringe militia group, was providing security for Roger Stone. They
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  Speaker 6: were later very much involved in the violence. So long
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  Speaker 6: story short, Roger Stone, as we saw, is sort of
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  Speaker 6: planning this little coup out loud. He was actively seeking
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  Speaker 6: out violence and talking directly to Trump. So it seems
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  Speaker 6: like they're weaving.
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  Speaker 3: That all together.
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  Speaker 1: Sam, what else do we know about what the committee
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  Speaker 1: is planning to focus on when we do have this
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  Speaker 1: next hearing? And what are some of the big decisions
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  Speaker 1: that they still have to make before they wrap this
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  Speaker 1: thing up?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. I just hope that they
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  Speaker 5: focus on this Roger Stone foolishness. It seems like this
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  Speaker 5: is a game changer because now We know that Trump
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  Speaker 5: can't claim as if he didn't expect violence. One of
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  Speaker 5: his top advisors, one of his really good friends, was
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  Speaker 5: hoping for violence and saying, let's get violent. And he
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  Speaker 5: was in conversation with Donald Trump the day before. So
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  Speaker 5: if I were them, I would just. take that home
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  Speaker 5: every day, right? What else can you really talk about?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think they can probably decide if they're
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  Speaker 6: going to subpoena Trump or subpoena Mike Pence and say,
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  Speaker 6: all right, now you have to tell us your conversations
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  Speaker 6: with Stone or subpoena members of Congress and get that
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  Speaker 6: more information.
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  Speaker 5: But is it in their best interest to get Trump
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  Speaker 5: on a stand? Because he will just spin around in
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  Speaker 5: circles and find new tangents to distract us and point
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  Speaker 5: over there and say, look over there, and then they
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  Speaker 5: all will. I'm not sure it makes sense for them
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  Speaker 5: to have Trump, but would it help their case?
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  Speaker 4: It's about ratings, right, viewers?
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  Speaker 3: Ratings-wise, maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think also they should put up on the
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  Speaker 4: screen the giant back tattoo of Richard Nixon's face that
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  Speaker 4: Roger Stone has?
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  Speaker 1: I do wonder at some point if all of this
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  Speaker 1: is diminishing marginal returns, because we do also know that
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  Speaker 1: Trump wanted violence after Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony when she was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was like, don't use the mags for people coming
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  Speaker 1: in with weapons to January 6th because they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to hurt us anyway.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, they're not going to change
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  Speaker 5: any minds. I don't think Trump will ever see true punishment,
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  Speaker 5: but I do think that they can keep it top
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  Speaker 5: of mind. Keep it top of mind. Make sure people
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  Speaker 5: know that this is. still a big deal. I think
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  Speaker 5: the problem for the whole party now is that people
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  Speaker 5: are forgetting about the things that Dems want to talk about,
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  Speaker 5: and they're talking about what Abbott and DeSantis want to
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  Speaker 5: talk about. And so how do you direct attention to
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  Speaker 5: this bullshit?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Dan, the other big decision that the committee is
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  Speaker 1: going to have to make is do they send a
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  Speaker 1: criminal referral to the Justice Department? after they wrap things up.
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  Speaker 1: How much does that matter at this point since it
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  Speaker 1: seems like Merrick Garland and DOJ are finally on the case?
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  Speaker 4: I would say that a official criminal referral from Congress
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  Speaker 4: has the same legal force as my last tweet.
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  Speaker 2: Which is strong. Which is saying a lot. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people on Twitter who believe that they are
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  Speaker 2: federal prosecutors. That their tweets are important and the juries
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  Speaker 2: will see them. So it's something to think about. It
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  Speaker 2: has no force of law.
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  Speaker 4: It's not going to make Merrick Garland more likely to
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  Speaker 4: prosecute Trump. Think of it maybe like as a polite nudge.
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  Speaker 4: There was a fear at the beginning of this process
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  Speaker 4: when there was a lot of reporting on this debate
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  Speaker 4: within the committee about whether they do it or not,
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  Speaker 4: that it would somehow make Merrick Garland less likely to
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  Speaker 4: pursue a case because it would seem like it was
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  Speaker 4: political pressure on Trump. But Merrick Garland already has like
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  Speaker 4: nine cases going against Trump right now. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: think this matters one bit at all, either in terms
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  Speaker 4: of whether Trump actually gets charged with a crime or
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  Speaker 4: whether we can judge this committee as a success. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's kind of a distraction or red herring.
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  Speaker 1: His dance card's pretty full at this point with Trump crimes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And he's not a fast, fast moving fellow, that Merrick Garland.
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  Speaker 2: He's very methodical. Takes his time.
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  Speaker 5: I've just stopped expecting anything to happen to Trump. I
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  Speaker 5: think like the only thing that these committee hearings can
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  Speaker 5: do is make sure we keep thinking about what he did.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't see any of these cases putting him
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  Speaker 5: inside of a jail. I don't see any of these
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  Speaker 5: cases making him pay for any crimes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there, I think you could
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  Speaker 1: end up with an indictment, but I, what I'm afraid of,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think an indictment would stop him from running
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  Speaker 1: for president. In fact, I think that would just sort
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  Speaker 1: of get him speed up the process, if anything.
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  Speaker 5: Get his support even more strong behind him.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in every great movie about like a hostage situation,
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  Speaker 2: there's always the outside plot and the inside plot. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's too boring to just have the people on the
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  Speaker 2: outside trying to get the people stuck on the inside out.
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  Speaker 2: So you have the, there's always like the hostage is
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  Speaker 2: trying to get out from inside and they got a
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  Speaker 2: scheme going. And then people on the outside are trying
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  Speaker 2: to get them out too. I see it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Who's Bruce Willis here?
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Is this Ransom?
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  Speaker 4: Like what were we talking about here?
• 8:57
  Speaker 2: It could be Ransom. Remember Ransom?
• 8:59
  Speaker 5: I've never seen Ransom. What is Ransom?
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  Speaker 2: Gary Sinise, Mel Gibson before.
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  Speaker 3: Was there a before?
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  Speaker 5: He probably was always like that.
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  Speaker 2: Before we knew. Before we knew. Before we knew. But
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  Speaker 2: the point is, I don't know. There are things we
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  Speaker 2: can control. We think we can't. I think we have
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  Speaker 2: to act as if I think that anyone who has
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  Speaker 2: been waiting for the Justice Department or the judicial process
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  Speaker 2: to save us or save democracy have been disappointed continuously.
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  Speaker 2: So we look, I think we can wake up. I
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: don't want to predict. We can wake up pleasantly surprised.
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  Speaker 2: It would are crazier things have happened than Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: being frog marched down Fifth Avenue in handcuffs. But it's
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  Speaker 2: too nice to think about. So we have to actually
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  Speaker 2: beat them.
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  Speaker 1: You know who hasn't been waiting around?
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  Speaker 3: The Senate.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Senate.
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  Speaker 8: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, John.
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  Speaker 2: What a segue.
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  Speaker 3: What a segue.
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  Speaker 2: That's how, that's how, that's why he gets, that's why
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  Speaker 2: the big chair.
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  Speaker 1: It's not even, it's not even on the iPad. It's
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: not even on the iPad. They look like they are
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  Speaker 1: about to pass bipartisan legislation to prevent the next coup
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  Speaker 1: from happening thanks to resistance hero Mitch McConnell, who has
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  Speaker 1: announced his support for the electoral... And Joe Manchin.
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  Speaker 5: See, to me, this is a bigger deal than.
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  Speaker 1: And Joe Manchin.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, our two heroes.
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  Speaker 2: They return for one last heist.
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  Speaker 10: So....
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: McConnell basically said that he announced his support for the
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  Speaker 1: Electoral Count Act reform over the strenuous objections of Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, and most of the House Republicans
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  Speaker 1: who tried to overturn the last election. Tommy, what are
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  Speaker 1: the highlights of this bill?
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  Speaker 6: You want some highlights?
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: I would love some highlights.
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: I'll give you some highlights.
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  Speaker 2: Insurrectionists hate this one weird trick.
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  Speaker 8: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, go on.
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  Speaker 6: So as you probably all can recall, Trump's sort of
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  Speaker 6: theory of the case legally was that the vice president
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  Speaker 6: basically had carte blanche authority to overturn the results of
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  Speaker 6: the election. This bill would spell out, no, that the
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  Speaker 6: vice president's role is strictly ceremonial. And it would change
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  Speaker 6: the number of members of the House or the Senate
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  Speaker 6: that need to object to a state's electors for that
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  Speaker 6: to go forward. So it's a big deal. And it
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  Speaker 6: also sort of closes the loophole that would allow governors
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  Speaker 6: and state legislatures to just overturn the results of the
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  Speaker 6: election on their own.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, basically what it does with that is
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  Speaker 1: there's a judicial process involved. So like no governor or
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  Speaker 1: state legislature on their own can decide to just overturn
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  Speaker 1: an election, send their own slate of electors. Like there
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  Speaker 1: has to be judicial review.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and it like ups the threshold for Congress to
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  Speaker 5: oppose the results, right?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It's like either one third or a fifth is what's
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  Speaker 6: been debated.
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  Speaker 5: And like that for me is the big deal. Like
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  Speaker 5: that's bigger than whatever the January 6th committee does. This
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  Speaker 5: is like, honest bipartisan work to make sure that that
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  Speaker 5: won't happen again. And I don't know, I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to be like, thanks Mitch, but this is a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's great. And so many Democrats are so
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  Speaker 4: excited about solving the vice presidential problem until you remind
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  Speaker 4: them that Kamala Harris is the vice president.
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  Speaker 1: Which just to remind some people. Where is she?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do worry a little bit that we're fighting
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  Speaker 2: the last war, not the next war.
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  Speaker 7: 100%.
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  Speaker 2: I worry a little about putting our First of all,
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  Speaker 2: if they want to pursue their, whatever they call it,
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  Speaker 2: their legislative supremacy argument, they will take it to the
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court and claim this law is unconstitutional. I still
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  Speaker 2: think it's absolutely worth doing, but I don't think it
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  Speaker 2: should give us any kind of comfort that they won't
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  Speaker 2: find a way to manipulate the system. I mean, these
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  Speaker 2: are basically, this is a set of rules to try
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  Speaker 2: to make law what were just sort of assumptions that
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  Speaker 2: certain things weren't politicized, certain ways of manipulating the system
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  Speaker 2: just weren't done. I think part of the reason you
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  Speaker 2: have Republicans coming on board with this in the Senate
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: is they would like that. They would like to not
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: feel as though some of the things that they're being
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  Speaker 2: told as a decision is a decision. They want to
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: go back to before when they didn't have to feel
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: as though they were paying a political price simply for
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  Speaker 2: certifying election. And fine, hopefully that works. But this is
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  Speaker 2: about power. And the only way we can really stop
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  Speaker 2: them is preventing Republicans from being in positions of power
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  Speaker 2: to break the law, deny the outcomes of elections. And
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: no law from Congress can do everything. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a good thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's worth doing.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think it should give us false comfort.
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  Speaker 7: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I sort of disagree because I think, look, if it
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  Speaker 1: was just the clarifying the role of the vice president,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. It's not going to do much.
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  Speaker 1: What it does around the state legislatures and governors is
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  Speaker 1: a big deal because we've talked a lot about these
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  Speaker 1: Republican candidates, like Doug Mastriano becomes governor of Pennsylvania, Kerry
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  Speaker 1: Lake becomes governor of Arizona, or we have Republican secretaries
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  Speaker 1: of state in those states. They have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: power to just send an alternate slate of electors to
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  Speaker 1: not certify an election. This would rob them of that
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  Speaker 1: power and send it to the courts. Now, are we
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  Speaker 1: worried that the courts are stacked with a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: right-wing lunatics? Yeah, of course. But at some point they're like,
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  Speaker 1: it's either going to be the justice system or the
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  Speaker 1: state legislatures or the governors or Congress that does this.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's going to be someone in charge that figures
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  Speaker 1: this out. So I'd rather it be the justice system
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  Speaker 1: than Republican state legislatures and Republican government.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the, I'm for it. It definitely raises
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  Speaker 4: the degree of difficulty stealing an election, but where the
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  Speaker 4: insurrection is going to happen in 2024 is is going
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  Speaker 4: to be between when the votes are cast and when
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: the election is certified at the state level. It is
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  Speaker 4: going to be local precinct leaders, local county assessors not
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  Speaker 4: counting votes, refusing to certify at the canvassing boards, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: It's not going to be the governor and the state
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  Speaker 4: legislature doing it just in front for everyone to see.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be piecemeal. Just enough votes to make
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  Speaker 4: up that 40,000 vote difference was the difference between Joe
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  Speaker 4: Biden getting elected and Donald Trump returning to the White House.
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  Speaker 1: That is very true. But that is why that can
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  Speaker 1: only be changed at the state level.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like those local precincts. That's why we've got to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: flip state legislatures across this country.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: But I just.
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: And then you worry that all of a sudden through
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: this new law we've passed, it's harder for us to
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: object to what we believe is an illegitimate election that
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: is certified by Republican officials at the state level.
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: Then a court will.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Yes. All that's all I'm saying. I'm for it. We
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: should do it. We should do everything we can to
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: codify as much as we can. The only way we
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: will actually stop them from overturning a democracy is by
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: winning these local elections. That is the thing. 99% of
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: this is that. That's all.
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: That said, to see Mitch McConnell get behind this kind
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: of bill, I'm.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Still like, oh. Why do you think he did it?
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think they like that kind of chaos. I
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: think if you are a Mitch McConnell in Congress on
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: the day of the insurrection, in the back of your head,
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: you're saying, what power do I have? What control do
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: I have? This is chaos that affects my job and
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: my life. Whatever party you are, you want some semblance
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: of order. And they have to have that so they
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: can do something. And the last thing they want is
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: to not know who's in charge and to have chaos
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: that ends up with their house being ransacked again.
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: It's definitely notable that there is sort of a slightly
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: different version of this bill in the House. And the
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: only yes votes from Republicans were ones who were retiring
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: or who had lost a primary. It was only those
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: who had no longer had a political fear of Donald Trump. So,
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: you know, look, I don't give Mitch McConnell credit for much,
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: but I agree with what Sam was saying about him
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: not liking the chaos and not liking the institutions looking
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: like the jokes that they look like after the 2020 election.
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: But I also think like he has shed a little
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: bit of his fear of Trump, as we've seen over
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: the months and years.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. And I also wonder if once
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: a bunch of his Republican senators were on board this legislation,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: if he wondered about the politics of blocking a bipartisan
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: bill to stop the next coup a couple of weeks
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: before the election.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I also think probably not great politics.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of Republican senators like being choked,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: but not being hanged.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Wait, let's, let's, let's walk through this one.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, is this like the, just keep going.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Other metaphor.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I want it explained.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I do too.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I want to know.
• 16:50
  Speaker 11: All right.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Who's doing the choke with six weeks to go until
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: election day. Uh, McConnell and some other Republicans would like
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: to keep Trump out of the news. Some of them would, um,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But that's going to be a bit harder thanks to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: next Tuesday's release of New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman's
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: eagerly awaited Trump book, Confidence Man. So Maggie wrote a
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: preview in The Atlantic and a few outlets got copies
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: of the book. So we already have plenty of tidbits.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And let me tell you, it doesn't seem like the
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: guy was the best president. That's the spoiler alert from
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: what I've read. What have you guys found from the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: excerpts and reporting that's new, surprising, particularly notable? Any favorites?
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: Nothing surprising.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing surprising.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Maggie's like, oh my God, I think he's racist. Oh
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: my God, I think he's transphobic. Oh my God, Maggie, yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, what annoyed me the most about the
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Maggie Habermanification of covering Trump during his time in the
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: White House was that journalists like her tried to ascribe
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: some greater method or reason or logic to his madness.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: There's none. And you read this Atlantic preview she wrote.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: She does this long, winding piece about her interviews with Trump,
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: and then she gets to the last graph and says, yeah,
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: there's no reason with him. He's just crazy. We knew.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: But I think that's useful.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: No, it's not.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: She's basically saying, this guy's a maniac.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: That's it. There's nothing. Counterpoint. What do we got?
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: What's the counterpoint?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: He's crazy. I'm going to read this book.
• 18:21
  Speaker 11: Love it.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Loves him.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to read it cover to cover. And I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: know people are mad at her for sitting on scoops.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: I hope she sat on some more for a sequel.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: I'm in.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: What scoop is there left on Donald Trump? This is
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: what I don't.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: People are both mad. People are both mad. She sat
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: on things for the book and then mad that they
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: don't think the book has anything new. And for me,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I just like, I'm living in the details. I just
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. She said Jason Miller, she said, Donald Trump
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: said in this book, you know how some guys, you
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: always kind of knew they were gay? Not Jason Miller,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: not even 1%. I'm sorry, that's funny.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of news that maybe Lovett
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: didn't read over the last four years.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And this is like the recap. I'm catching up.
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: I think what happened to Maggie's book is I think
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: a lot of things that were probably more blockbuster news
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: kind of came out in the January 6th committee hearing process.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Because you saw her leaking out stuff along the way,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: which I'm sure she hated doing.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: She's trying to sell a book. It's notable to me
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: that he did three sit-down interviews.
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: This guy, again, not a surprise to anybody, but he's
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: so thirsty for the mainstream media attention that he then attacks.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I did love... I like the little details, too.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: I like the anecdote that Trump nearly fired Jared and
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: Ivanka via a tweet, his own daughter.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But John Kelly, of all people, stopped him.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: And it really made me lose respect for John Kelly
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: because you had him where you wanted him, and you
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: fumbled the.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Bag, man.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: But there were.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: some things where they're like, this is a scoop. And
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: I'm like, nah, that's just people, dude. When they're like,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump saw this room full of black staffers and
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: asked them to get the food. And I was like,
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: not just Donald Trump. A lot of people do this shit.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: It wasn't surprising. And I think that there's this kind
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: of like... liberal desire to have, like, the one nasty
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Trump story that takes him out, it doesn't exist.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: We're still waiting on that.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: It doesn't exist.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't quite get the anger at Maggie
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: for the withholding thing. Like, your criticism that it's nothing
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to do with, like, that's fair. That's more than, like, the, like, oh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: is she going to report out a story that, like.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Citizen's arrest.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: He lost. He lost in 2020. You think he's going
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to report a story that he's going to be like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I quit.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I'm out of public life.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: If she reported... That Donald Trump was having KKK meetings
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: in the Lincoln bedroom. At this point, it wouldn't change shit.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Nothing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: You're right.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't change shit.
• 20:44
  Speaker 11: You're right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Better to have it come out in your own election.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Sam, I don't care.
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: Sam, to this point, the Washington Post led their excerpt
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: about this, focusing on this excerpt of Trump apparently wanting
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: to use the U.S. military to bomb cartels in Mexico.
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: And I was like, I literally saw a clip of
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: him bragging about this to a wedding party in Mar-a-Lago
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: three weeks ago.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not joking.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And this is not news. That is the plot of
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Clear and Present Danger, a film he saw and got
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the idea from.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Well, there was a thing where it's just like.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Cellulose encased laser-guided bomb.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: That's for no one.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: Go on.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I think his cruelty was underscored in some of these excerpts.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: You know, when he is.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Being asked to speak to trans issues. He's asking if
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: a hypothetical college student asking about trans rights is cocked
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: or uncocked.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: And so like the cruelty is underscored and it's horrible.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: It's demeaning, but it's also just still not surprising.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I thought what was most insightful about his mindset was
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: during one of the interviews with her when she like asked,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: would you do it all over again? And he said, yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of course. You know, he's like, I got a bunch
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: of rich friends and no one knows who they are.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It's like that is why he does this.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: And also, we all knew who he was.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We all knew who he was. But the hunger for
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: attention and fame is like the driving force of Donald Trump.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: It's not the money. It's the attention.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: You know, there's all these like new, everyone's, we just
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: keep remaking like the Jeffrey Dahmer story over and over again,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: like trying to find something more interesting about these serial killers.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And like, I was thinking about that because it's, when
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I saw that quote from him, it's like, this is,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: there's nothing new to find.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: He just wants attention. He's broken. He wants attention. It's
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: been true for seven years, true for 30 years.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: But the utility of the Jeffrey Dahmer story goes way
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: up if Jeffrey Dahmer's still walking the streets.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: That's what's happening right now.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: That's why he's writing the message box.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I do think part of the.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: That's how you get a sub stack going.
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: I've known Maggie for... We all have for 15, 20 years.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: I think one of the hard things of this whole...
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: presidency for her. She sort of felt like the Cassandra
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: for some of these things. She's known him since the 80s.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: She knew he was a racist, vino, narcissist monster. She
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: was to some extent, I think, constrained by the boundaries
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: of the profession and how.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Political reporters are allowed to report.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: And I think maybe she's a little more unshackled in
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: this book in a way that's valuable.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: See, I think that they should have just changed her
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: beat years ago. I think she got too into it
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: and too in it And she was just like, it
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: was almost in certain points hearing her talk about that family,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: it felt almost incestuous. And God bless her. She's trying
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: real hard, but get some new blood in there and
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: like have a new perspective on it. When I read
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: things from her now or her tweets even now, it's
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: just like, they've almost incepted her. I don't know. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: don't appreciate it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know that I agree with that. I
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: just think that she has walked a really delicate line
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and like, I know that we feel past it. I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: know that we feel we've learned a lot. But I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: do think that we take a little bit for granted
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: how much inside information we got over the last five
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: years via Maggie Haberman. That was a lot of really
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: valuable reporting. And I think sometimes she gets short shrift
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: for just describing what she's hearing without putting much spin
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: on it. And I hear that maybe that people feel
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: as though it's a little too cozy, but I sometimes
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: think it's unfair.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she's become, for a lot of people,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: she's not perfect, no one is, become an avatar for
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: what people in the Trump era have been most frustrated
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: about journalism because she's the most famous reporter covering Trump
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and she bears the burden of every mistake every reporter
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: made in this process.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I think the problem is just like what kind of
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: journalism was most important during the Trump years. And the
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: glorification of Maggie's style of reporting made us all believe
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: that access journalism was the most important kind of journalism
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: during those years. The most important kind of work was
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: investigative journalism. That was more important. That was more important.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Which gets short shrift. Speaking of people who drive Twitter nuts,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Nate Cohn had a New York Times piece today where
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: he argued that after a few months where Donald Trump
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and abortion were dominating the news, the headlines are starting
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: to shift back towards issues like the economy and immigration,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: which might help Republicans. Dan, do you buy this analysis?
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And should Democrats try their hardest to keep Trump in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the news for the next couple of weeks?
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to wait around until another nerd named
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Nate comes up with a contrary opinion in five minutes.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That is the safest course.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Now, look, in all seriousness, I think Nate Cohn is
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: onto something here. You don't have to have done a
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: thousand focus groups for the wilderness or anything else. If
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: you were just paying attention to the news, it's pretty
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: evident that immigration, in part because of the stunts, the
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: horribly cruel, largely illegal stunts of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: and just increasing fears about the economy have become a
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: larger part of the news. In his article, Nate Cohn
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: cites Google Trends, Google search data, basically, that people have
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: been searching those more than abortion and democracy. That is,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I would say, an imperfect tool, to say the least.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: But so is polling.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: So there you go. I mean, I think it is–
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: we know from 2016 and 2020 we're very bad at
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: picking who's going to win, particularly in close races. But
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: we do have a lot of ways to figure out
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: what people are thinking about and talking about. Polling is
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: part of that. But you also have search data. You
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: have social sharing data. You can just look at what's
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: in the news. And it's very clear that the issue
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: environment has switched a little bit.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: There's been a lot of time since the Supreme Court
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: overturned Roe v.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Wade.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Not that abortion has fallen out of the news by
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: any stretch of the imagination. And it's been a long
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: time since there was a January 6th hearing, right? Like
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: we had the summer of January 6th hearings in Mar-a-Lago.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: And so the issue environment has shifted slightly towards issues
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: that right now benefit Republicans. It doesn't mean it's going
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: to stay that way. And we should think about, as Democrats,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: as people working on campaigns, how do you switch it back, right?
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Because ultimately, politics is a battle for issue salience. What
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: are voters thinking about when they make their decision? Are
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: they going to think about the issues you want them
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: to think about or the issues your opponent wants them
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: to think about? And if this hearing were to happen,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I would have been part of it. Weirdly, Maggie's book
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: helps keep Trump in the news. Keeping Trump in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: news is very important, I think. I was talking to
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Sarah Longwell, who does focus groups for The Bulwark and
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: her podcast, and I know you talked to her for
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: The Wilderness a bunch, for an episode of Political Experts
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: React that's coming out. We're talking about the 2017 election
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: in Virginia. What she said is that after Trump lost,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Trump was on the ballot for all the people who
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: love Trump, but not on the ballots for everyone who
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: didn't like Trump. But since this summer, because of the
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: decision on Roe and January 6th, Trump has become on
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the ballot for the people who kick Trump out of
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: office in 2020. And we have to keep that going
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: if we are going to win. So we have to
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: draw attention back to our issues and make this more
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: a referendum on Republican extremism. And Trump is the best
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: avatar for that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: See, I think the top issue should be Roe and
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: not Trump. I think that like everyone has made their
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: mind up on Trump. Everyone knows, every voter knows how
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: they feel about him. I don't think enough voters have
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: yet thought about the ways in which Roe being overturned
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: affects them and their family's lives. And when they do
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: start to think about it, the numbers shift. There's some
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: data that since Roe was overturned, fathers have shifted like
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: 28 points from R to D. That's what I would
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: keep in the headlines. I don't actually think that Trump, Trump,
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Trump till November does a better job than saying they're
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: going to take away all of our right to abortion.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think the issue,
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: I think what we largely want to say, we want
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: this election to be about Republican extremism. There is no
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: better real world example that's affecting more people's lives than Roe.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And then all of this is a part of that, right?
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: It is book bans. It is the attacks on the
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: LGBTQ plus community. It is everything Ron DeSantis did. It's
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: what Ron DeSantis did in Martha's Vineyard. And Trump is
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: a part of that as well. And if we keep
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: that story and that story only works if Roe is
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: at the center of it. But I think for a
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: large part of our voters, keeping them engaged, keeping them donating.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Trump is a part of that, and we're going to
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: want to keep that out there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: That's true. But Roe can get you voters who even
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: kind of like Trump.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and especially in a state like Arizona, where they
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: just put back in place an abortion law that would
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: criminalize abortion and put abortion providers in jail. That's a
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: real world thing that's happening that's scary to people.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I also think back to the Virginia example. One thing
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: we learned from that Virginia governor's race is you can't
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: force Trump into a race where he might not fit. Like,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Terry McAuliffe calling him Glenn Trumpkin did not work. I
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys noticed that. I thought that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: was great.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: If it worked, we would have said it was good.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I was clever, I thought. I think when Trump's in
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the news, it's going to be better for Democrats. But
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I think in terms of what Democrats should do, you're
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: right that Republican extremism is what the election has to
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: be about. And we have to do a better job
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: defining that. what Republican extremism means for you, right? And
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: so what are the consequences of Dobbs? What are the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: consequences of their economic plans? What are the consequences of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do in states to LGBTQ kids, right?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Like we gotta hit the consequences more of Republican votes
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and Republican policies going forward.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: That is why so many Democrats have centered on MAGA
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Republicans or MAGA extremism, not Trump Republicans, because Trump actually
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: helps with some voters who think of him an outsider.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: But MAGA Republicans allows you to try to get the
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: extremism with the terrible, corrupt Washington DC Republicans like Kevin
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: McCarthy and Mitch McConnell.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Who are also not that popular.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: When we come back, We will talk to Massachusetts Senator
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Please welcome the Democratic Senator from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren. Senator Warren,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: welcome back to Pod Save America.
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: It's good to be with you.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You guys should applause. You're an audience. They were stunned.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: They were stunned to see you. They forgot how to behave.
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: Look, I get it. I'm not there in person, so
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: we've got to do this remotely. It's tough. It's tough.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: You've got to give us all clues as we go
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: through this.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: We're here in the Sirius studio. We have a great
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: audience here. They're very excited for you.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Listen, they were just rude a minute ago. What they
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: did was obnoxious and rude, and they're sorry. They're going
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: to feel terrible later, but we're moving past it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I'll buck up.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: All right. Senator Warren.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Inflation is the biggest issue affecting our economy. It's one
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: of the biggest issues affecting this midterms. You have been
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: very critical of the approach that Chairman Powell and the
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Fed have been taking to fighting inflation. What do you
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: think they're doing wrong, and what should they be doing instead?
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: So we have to think of inflation. This is about
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: high prices for families. That's a real problem. And so
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: the question is, what causes the problem, and what are
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: your tools to fix it? What kind of things are
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: causing inflation right now? Actually, COVID still is. It's shutting
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: down economies in different parts of the world, supply chain
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: kinks that we still have, the war in Ukraine that
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: not only affects energy prices, but also the question about
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: supplies of wheat around the world, and price gouging. You know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: those giant corporations that say, as long as we're raising
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: prices anyway, and everybody's talking about inflation, let's take an
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: extra big scoop on prices and boost our profits. Okay,
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: that's what we got going on. So what is the
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: appropriate response to that? Chairman Powell opens his toolbox and
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: he's got basically one tool, raise interest rates. And his
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: idea is raise interest rates and that will slow down
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: the economy and put a lot of people out of
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: work and that means people will buy less. But notice,
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: It doesn't do anything about COVID. It doesn't do anything
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: about the supply chain. It doesn't do anything about the
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: war in Ukraine. It doesn't do anything about price gouging.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: And in fact, Chairman Powell has actually said that to
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: me in banking hearings. Nope, can't affect any of those things.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: So here's my concern. When Chairman Powell is not just
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: moving interest rates up and saying he wants to slow
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: the economy, He is taking extreme steps, steps like we
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: have not seen in a very long time, just banging
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: away on three quarters of a point, three quarters of
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: a point, pushing those interest rates up very far, very fast.
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: What he risks is tipping the economy into a recession,
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: too much of a jerk on the economy. And so
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: now we're in a position where, let me get this straight,
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: What we could end up with is prices don't come
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: down because many of the things, not everything, but many
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: of the things that affect those prices are not going
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: to be affected by higher interest rates. And the economy
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: goes into recession and more people are out of work.
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: So the way I look at this is what is
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: worse than high prices and low unemployment? It's high prices
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: and high unemployment. And that's where I have I'm afraid
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: that Chairman Powell is taking us.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It's been 40 years since we dealt with inflation. As
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you point out, this is the last time we dealt
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: with inflation. This is the exact path the Fed took,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Chairman Volcker did at the time. What would be a
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: different approach than other than sort of trying to force
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: down demand in wages to lower the cost of goods?
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: Well, one way is to increase supplies. And that's exactly
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: what the Biden administration is trying to do right now.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: So every time the United States and other countries invest
• 34:54
  Speaker 8: in getting COVID under control, for example, getting more people
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: vaccinated so you don't have to shut down factories and
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: you don't have to shut down transit, then, by golly,
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: we take another step toward getting things normalized and bringing
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: those prices back down. Plenty of goods available. Second one,
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: same sort of thing on supply chain. Every time we
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: can unkink a supply chain, then we're doing better on pricing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: everything we can do to try to bring down the
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: price of petroleum, of energy, which the president has been doing,
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: strategic oil reserves, and so on. And then the other
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: one is go after the big corporations that are engaged
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: in price gouging. And the Department of Justice is doing
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: a certain amount of that. The FTC is doing a
• 35:43
  Speaker 8: certain amount of that. And it helps. All of those, though,
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: are things that help bring down prices. I'll mention a
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: second one. Remember where we started this. Why does this matter?
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: It matters because it's hitting at the family level. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: here is where Democrats and Republicans couldn't be in different places.
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: Democrats are doing everything they can to try to bring
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: down costs for families. Look at the Inflation Reduction Act.
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: What do we do? We're trying to bring down the
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: cost of health care up. Give Medicare a chance to
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: negotiate prescription drug prices. Put a cap on what people
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: pay for insulin. Put a cap on what seniors have
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: to pay for prescriptions. What else are we doing? We're
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: putting in place this giant climate bill whose goal is
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: to bring down utility costs for families. And by the way,
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: all paid for by a 15% minimum corporate tax that
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: I think we've been talking about for a long time.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: But those are things that go directly to the costs
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: that families are bearing every day. It's not as sexy.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: It doesn't get as many headlines. But it is truly
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Democrats fighting to bring down costs for families. And where
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: are Republicans on this? They scream, they yell, they say
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: inflation over and over. And what are the number of
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: ideas they have for what to do about it?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Zero.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that up because the, you know, Republicans,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: despite the fact that they have no ideas, they've been
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: wrong on policy, the economy's been better under Democratic presidents,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: all of the polling shows that Republicans have an advantage
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: on the economy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: And that's not new.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: That's been true. That was true in 2020, 2018, 2016,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: basically every election since 2012. Are there specific things that
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Democrats could do or say that you think could help
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: sort of narrow that gap or address that discrepancy as
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: we head into the election?
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: Well, I think part of it is exactly that. Let's
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: just draw the contrast. Let's just remind people, not at
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: some fancy theoretical level, but at a, let's make a list.
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: What are the things, not just that Democrats have promised
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: and that demonstrate who we're fighting for, but what is
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: it that Democrats... have delivered. We've delivered on healthcare. We're
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: in the middle of delivering on utility costs. We have
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: delivered on student loan debt, right? We have done things
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: to actually bring down costs for families at the same
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: time that the Republicans not only have zero ideas, how
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: do I say this? They have negative ideas. Their ideas are,
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: don't do those things that would bring down costs for families.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: So that, I mean, look, I think that's pretty insulting
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to Kevin McCarthy, who this week pretended to eat in
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: a diner while rolling out what they're calling a commitment
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: to America. It was one page of, it was a list.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: There were words and bullets, ostensibly an agenda of some kind.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: What did you make of the commitment to America?
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: So I have to say on this, read the first one.
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: I really wish right now that we had the, like
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: you could put it up on the board behind us.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I don't think we can.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: The first one of these. actually was an economic, we're
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: going to lower costs for families. And it was a
• 39:07
  Speaker 8: generic description of exactly what the Democrats have done.
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: And so I.
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: Feel like there's this moment if they say, hey, that's
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: actually good stuff. This is like how they did on
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: the infrastructure bill, right? Or how they did on the
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: COVID relief package, the COVID relief package, where there's help
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: out there for small businesses, they all vote against it,
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: and then they go home. And when there's actually some
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: relief delivered, they show up at the ribbon cutting and say,
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: you're welcome, you're welcome to everybody. While they fought on
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: the opposite side. And I think that's the part we
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: have to keep hammering on. And by the way, let
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: me just, if I can, raise the stakes a little
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: bit here. It's not just that Republicans have no good
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: ideas for dealing with inflation. It's not only they're fighting
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: the things we're trying to do, they're looking for things
• 39:59
  Speaker 8: that would make the economy affirmatively worse for tens of
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: millions of American families. Ron Johnson, Senator from Wisconsin, says
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: that instead of voting every five years on whether to
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: keep Social Security, which is the official Republican position evidently
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: right now in the Senate, Ron Johnson says, let's vote
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: every single year. Let's say to those people who are
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: depending on Social Security, you just got a few more
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: months where you're guaranteed to have it, and then next
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: year it could completely run out. That is the guy
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: who is now carrying the torch for Republicans, the incumbent
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: in Wisconsin. Which is why, let me just be clear
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: on this, Mandela Barnes, we need you in the United
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: States Senate. We need you. Because we gotta get rid
• 40:58
  Speaker 8: of Ron Johnson, somebody whose whole idea on how to
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: fix the economy is let's put Social Security at risk.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: And of course, while he's at it, let's make sure
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: that women who need access to abortions actually run the
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: possibility that they'll be violating the law, that doctors could
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: be put in jail for performing needed medical procedures. This
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: is the extreme end of the Republican Party. And to me,
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: that's what this fight is all about. It's about economics,
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: it's about extremism, but it's also about showing up for
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: people like Mandela Barnes And anybody who's listening to this
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: who really cares about these issues, let me just ask you,
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: send a little money to MandelaBarnes.com. He needs help because
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: he's up against an extremist who is telling a story
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: both about Mandela and about the economy that just doesn't
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: jibe with our reality and is deeply, deeply dangerous.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Earlier today, President Biden attempted to recognize a Republican member
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: of Congress for her vote, but she had actually sadly
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: passed away in August. He thought she was in the room.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Do you think that this is a gaffe because only
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: dead Democrats vote? Do you think I misread the controversy?
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: I do not know about this.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad we were all here for Elizabeth Warren's
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: last interview on Pod Save America.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I don't know why I did that. Before
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: we let you go, thank you so much for your time.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Before we let you go, there's somebody here tonight. They're
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: an aspiring musician out of Springfield, Ohio, and they're trying
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to do their best to kind of help out, but
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: they're worried about the future of democracy, and he just
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: wanted to say hello, and hopefully you thought maybe you,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Senator Warren, could buck up... Buck up our guests.
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: Here he is.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Hello.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And look, look, you know, he's trying to keep people's
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: spirits up, but he's worried, you know. He's an aspiring musician.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I aspire every day.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Hello, Senator Warren. How are you?
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: Oh, listen, I'm a lot better for seeing you. Better
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: than that last thing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: We just did. I'm sorry.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I have nothing to do with the last question you got.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: Good to see you. How are you?
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Good. I am worried about democracy, I'll
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: tell you that. Do you have words of.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Hope for us? You know, I do.
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: We got an election coming up in November. And we got...
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: A lot of days between now and then, what have
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: we got, about five weeks between now and then, right?
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: Almost six. We should be out, we got a chance
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: to get out there every day and affect the direction
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: that our nation takes. You and I both get this,
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: I mean we've talked about this for a long time,
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: only it's just gotten worse. The difference between the two parties,
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: the Democrats who are fighting to try to make life
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: better for working people to expand opportunity, the Democrats who
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: try to live in the real world and try to
• 44:33
  Speaker 8: deal with the real problems that people have, and the
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: Republicans that have just become extremists, extremists on abortion, extremists
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: on violence. If they lose, then they talk about taking
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: to the streets. This is our moment. I don't want
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: to wake up on the day after the election and say, gee,
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: we could have given it a little more. So my
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: word of hope is now is the time when it's
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: still open, when it's still in your hands. And can
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: I give my most hopeful? We get two, just two
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: additional Democrats in the United States Senate. Keep the ones
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: we got and add two. And yes, I'm looking at you,
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: Mandela Barnes in Wisconsin. I'm looking at you, John Fetterman
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: And I'm looking at how much fun they're having in
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: Ohio and North Carolina right now. So we've even got
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: some more.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Come on, Tim Ryan.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: But yes.
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: But we had two more Democratic senators, two additional ones,
• 45:47
  Speaker 8: who are willing to roll back the filibuster. and we
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: hang on to the House, and all of a sudden,
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: it's not like, okay, just by the skin of our teeth,
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: we can do the things we need to do, and
• 45:59
  Speaker 8: we can fight this through. We were just talking about
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: the things we've already gotten done. Think about the things
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: we can do now with that team, because we can
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: actually ensure voting rights for every American citizen. The vote,
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: and to get that vote counted, We can ensure that
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: Roe versus Wade is the law of the land every year.
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: We can do universal childcare. We can do the things
• 46:33
  Speaker 8: that work for American families. We can do immigration reform.
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: These are the things that we can come together and
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: work on. And we can invite the Republicans to be
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: part of this. We can do a whole national conversation
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: around it. But the difference between where we are, if
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: we get those couple of additional senators, and if the
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: Republicans are able to take control, this really is, John,
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: you got it right. This is about our democracy. I'm
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: really scared for us. So this is the moment to
• 47:07
  Speaker 8: use your hope. to motivate yourself, to get up off
• 47:11
  Speaker 8: your feet and get out there, give some money, make
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: some phone calls, knock on some doors and make it happen.
• 47:19
  Speaker 8: Don't you believe we could do this, John?
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: I believe it. Let's do it. Let's do it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: My God.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Senator Elizabeth Warren, thank you so much for your time.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And we'll be right back. John Legend's going to stick
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: around graciously. Thank you so much.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Joining us today, The aspiring young musician who just asked
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren a question, passionate advocate for criminal justice reform,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: longtime friend of the pod, who just released a brand
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: new album called Legend, John Legend.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Hello, everybody.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: We haven't done this live in a long time.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: A long time.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Pre-pandemic, I think.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely pre-pandemic.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Congrats on the new album.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It's been my soundtrack to and from work for the
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: It's always interesting knowing my friends listen to my music
• 48:14
  Speaker 12: and then knowing what people sometimes do to my music.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Homework.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Excel spreadsheets.
• 48:26
  Speaker 12: I always wonder if that's a no-go for them. People
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: that know me have had dinner with me, hung out
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: with me. If they want to invite me into that.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: Part of their life.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: No comment.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure. Let's get into it.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: This is the house that Howard Stern built. How is
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: it making music at home during the pandemic? Were you
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: trapped on Zoom like the rest of us, except with
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: Rick Ross or somebody?
• 48:54
  Speaker 12: Well, we did have a few Zoom recording sessions. We
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: don't record at home. We have a studio. It's like
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: a house with a studio in it, but it's like
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: 15 minutes from where we live, so We can get
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: away and go to work. Chrissy shot a lot of
• 49:06
  Speaker 12: her cookbook there as well. So it's like our work
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: creative house. And so we go over there and I
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: have a room that's just a studio and I would
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: have people zoom in. I'd have people come over. At
• 49:20
  Speaker 12: the beginning, we all masked up while we were writing
• 49:23
  Speaker 12: songs together, which is weird, but we did it. And
• 49:25
  Speaker 12: then we just were writing songs, feeling like the light
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: was visible at the end of the tunnel. We would
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: have something to celebrate soon. It took you know, some.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: July of 2020.
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: It took some turns, some ups and downs, but you know, um,
• 49:43
  Speaker 12: overall it felt like we wanted to write a really
• 49:46
  Speaker 12: like joyful, fun, sexy album. And that's what we worked
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: on starting in early 2021. Well, you did it.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Um, so let's talk politics because, uh, you're an activist,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: but you're also a political nerd.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. Very much.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: People know that. Uh, so at some point in every campaign,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Republicans hit Democrats on crime. Um, this year is no different.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: You spent years advocating for the same criminal justice reforms
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: that are now the target of a lot of Republican attacks.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: We're victims of our own success. Of course.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: How do you think Democratic candidates and activists should handle
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: these kind of attacks at a time when a lot
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of people are actually concerned about crime and violence?
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: I think, first of all, you acknowledge that people aren't
• 50:30
  Speaker 12: crazy for feeling concerned about crime. I think crime is
• 50:33
  Speaker 12: real people feel it in their lives when they see
• 50:37
  Speaker 12: um homelessness in the street when they see despair when
• 50:40
  Speaker 12: they read the news and and and see what's being
• 50:43
  Speaker 12: reported they're you know they're not insane to feel like
• 50:46
  Speaker 12: oh this feels like things are less safe than they
• 50:49
  Speaker 12: were a couple years ago and let's remind ourselves we
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: went through a once in a century pandemic there are
• 50:54
  Speaker 12: all kinds of reasons why um there was more despair
• 50:58
  Speaker 12: more um of a sense of disconnection from society and
• 51:02
  Speaker 12: There was more crime, particularly during the time in the
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: last two years there was. And so, first of all,
• 51:10
  Speaker 12: we acknowledge that and don't act like they're crazy for
• 51:13
  Speaker 12: feeling that, but also realize that we're already the most
• 51:18
  Speaker 12: policed country in the world. We spend more money on
• 51:20
  Speaker 12: policing than anyone. Realize we're already the leading incarcerator in
• 51:25
  Speaker 12: the world. And so if that were the thing, if
• 51:29
  Speaker 12: those were the things that would make us the safest
• 51:31
  Speaker 12: country in the world, we would be the safest country
• 51:34
  Speaker 12: in the world, because if those were the solutions, we
• 51:38
  Speaker 12: would already be the safest country in the world. So
• 51:41
  Speaker 12: the question is, well, what else could we do to
• 51:44
  Speaker 12: make us safer? And then if you look at the statistics,
• 51:47
  Speaker 12: the most dangerous states when it comes to gun violence
• 51:51
  Speaker 12: are all Republican states. So when the Republican politicians are
• 51:55
  Speaker 12: attacking us on safety, on crime, and they're not going
• 51:59
  Speaker 12: to do anything about gun violence, They're not going to
• 52:02
  Speaker 12: do any kind of regulation. In fact, they're going to
• 52:04
  Speaker 12: make it easier for you to get a gun now.
• 52:08
  Speaker 12: Even after massacres, they go to the state legislature and
• 52:11
  Speaker 12: write laws to make it easier for you to get
• 52:13
  Speaker 12: a gun, easier for teachers to have guns in the classroom.
• 52:17
  Speaker 12: We're not safer because of that. So we need to
• 52:20
  Speaker 12: think about, in addition to, you know, Democrats are very
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: astute at funding the police, despite our reputation.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 12: We've been part of building up this carceral state as
• 52:33
  Speaker 12: well as a bipartisan project of being tough on crime.
• 52:37
  Speaker 12: But if those things were going to be the solution
• 52:39
  Speaker 12: to make us the safest country in the world, we
• 52:41
  Speaker 12: would already be that.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: So what else can we do? Can we fight the
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: spread of guns?
• 52:46
  Speaker 12: Can we do other prevention programs like mental health and
• 52:50
  Speaker 12: drug addiction programs that will help us actually prevent crime?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Can we just make.
• 52:56
  Speaker 12: Families more whole and and have the resources they need,
• 52:59
  Speaker 12: the education resources they need, so that we're driving fewer
• 53:04
  Speaker 12: kids to crime in the first place. Can we do
• 53:06
  Speaker 12: some of those things, in addition to all the other
• 53:09
  Speaker 12: stuff we're doing, to make sure that we really are
• 53:12
  Speaker 12: a safer and a healthier society?
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: So we got this big election coming up, as you
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: folks out there know. Lots of people are focused on
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: the Senate and talking about the House. You have spent
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of time, years really, encouraging voters to look
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: down the ticket to meet their DA, to get to
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: know their DAs, understand what a progressive prosecutor does or
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: doesn't do. Can you just help listeners kind of paint
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: a picture of what electing someone like Larry Krasner in
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Philadelphia does in real terms versus maybe a more law
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: and order DA?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Well, being a district attorney, you have a decent amount
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: of discretion.
• 53:47
  Speaker 12: So we have laws that are written by our legislatures,
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: but the way they're enforced, the way they're taken to court,
• 53:54
  Speaker 12: the way that they're charged and the way sentencing is
• 53:58
  Speaker 12: recommended is usually via the district attorney, sometimes called the
• 54:02
  Speaker 12: state's attorney in some states.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: And so they have a lot of discretion.
• 54:06
  Speaker 12: So if you're thinking about, well, how do we figure
• 54:09
  Speaker 12: out ways to use incarceration less? How do we think
• 54:12
  Speaker 12: about ways to have more diversion programs? How do we
• 54:15
  Speaker 12: think about ways to get juvenile offenders out of the system?
• 54:20
  Speaker 12: DAs are, in a lot of ways, the pathway to
• 54:23
  Speaker 12: that because they have so much control over a lot
• 54:25
  Speaker 12: of the discretionary decisions that are made. And so we've
• 54:28
  Speaker 12: been working along with a bunch of other activists around
• 54:31
  Speaker 12: the country on identifying, uh, progressive candidates, uh, to run
• 54:36
  Speaker 12: for office and then for us to support. Um, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 12: I have personally gone out and stumped for some of
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: these candidates, fundraised for them.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Larry Krasner is one of them.
• 54:46
  Speaker 12: And some of the reforms that they bring, uh, into bear, uh,
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: are things like reducing the use of cash bail or
• 54:54
  Speaker 12: eliminating cash bail. We're one of the only countries in
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: the world that actually uses a cash bail system. Again,
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: if that were going to make us the safest country
• 55:00
  Speaker 12: in the world, we would already be. So it's an
• 55:04
  Speaker 12: unjust system because it basically imprisons you for being poor
• 55:09
  Speaker 12: because they're not saying you're in jail because you're dangerous.
• 55:12
  Speaker 12: They're saying you're in jail because you can't afford a
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: certain amount of money. And that means you're in jail
• 55:16
  Speaker 12: because you're poor.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: And sometimes the amount is $ 1, 000.
• 55:20
  Speaker 12: We saw with Khalif Browder, it was not a lot
• 55:22
  Speaker 12: of money for plenty of people in America, but it
• 55:24
  Speaker 12: was a lot of money for him. And they used
• 55:26
  Speaker 12: it as a leverage against him to get him to
• 55:29
  Speaker 12: try to plead down.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: He didn't do it. He said he didn't do it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: He insisted he didn't do it.
• 55:34
  Speaker 12: And so he stayed in jail because he couldn't afford
• 55:37
  Speaker 12: bail and because they wouldn't let him out and tried
• 55:40
  Speaker 12: to use that as leverage against him. He ended up
• 55:43
  Speaker 12: dying because of the despair that Rikers brought into his life.
• 55:47
  Speaker 12: Cash bail is an unjust system. It punishes people for
• 55:51
  Speaker 12: being poor, and it locks up way too many people.
• 55:54
  Speaker 12: And so there are progressive DAs around the country that
• 55:57
  Speaker 12: have just decided, we're not going to use it. We're
• 55:59
  Speaker 12: not going to ask for it. Krasner is one of them.
• 56:01
  Speaker 12: Kim Fox is one of them. And there are folks
• 56:03
  Speaker 12: around the country that are doing that, and we support
• 56:06
  Speaker 12: candidates that advocate those kinds of reforms.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: So important.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: So big Senate race in your home state of Ohio.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: In Ohio. Tim Ryan.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: How do we turn your red state blue?
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what happened?
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Well, as you know, we already have a Democratic senator
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: in Ohio. I know, I know. His name is Sherrod Brown.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I love Sherrod. And so even, and Ohio voted for
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: Barack Obama.
• 56:28
  Speaker 12: So it's not so distant, the possibility that we would
• 56:32
  Speaker 12: vote for another Democrat. And I feel like we need
• 56:35
  Speaker 12: the right kind of Democrats in Ohio.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: And I feel like Tim Ryan is the right kind.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: And J.D.
• 56:40
  Speaker 12: Pence is like as bad at being a good Ohio
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: candidate as, You could be. When the deck is stacked
• 56:50
  Speaker 12: in his favor, when it's a leaning red state that
• 56:54
  Speaker 12: could be characterized as pretty red, and he's doing as
• 56:59
  Speaker 12: poorly as he's doing in the polls, it's because he's
• 57:01
  Speaker 12: not really that great of a candidate. And it's not
• 57:04
  Speaker 12: just that. It's that Tim Ryan is actually a really
• 57:06
  Speaker 12: good candidate. He really is empathetic. He understands the concerns
• 57:10
  Speaker 12: of working people in Ohio. I grew up in a
• 57:12
  Speaker 12: working class family. My dad was an auto worker. Mother
• 57:15
  Speaker 12: stayed at home with us. And so I can identify
• 57:19
  Speaker 12: with a lot of the struggles that Ohioans feel, even
• 57:21
  Speaker 12: though it's been a while since I've lived there. I
• 57:24
  Speaker 12: remember what it was like growing up there, and I
• 57:27
  Speaker 12: remember the culture there. And I feel like Tim Ryan
• 57:29
  Speaker 12: is able to speak to that in a very authentic way.
• 57:32
  Speaker 12: And I think he really has a good chance of
• 57:34
  Speaker 12: winning there. I'm doing what I can to fundraise for
• 57:37
  Speaker 12: him and to campaign for him.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: And I think we have a good chance of gaining
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: a seat in Ohio.
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: This is, my in-laws tell me this all the time.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: Tim Ryan, yoga and football. JD Vance wants to ban porn.
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: You got to tell everybody at the Buckeye Games that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: That's a message.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: How do people not know that? Tell the college MAGA guys.
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: Honestly, and we need to look at what they want
• 58:02
  Speaker 12: to do to women's freedom.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: That's a much more serious point. Now I feel like
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: an asshole. I didn't know he wanted to ban porn.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 58:11
  Speaker 12: I don't feel like that's a winning issue with very
• 58:14
  Speaker 12: many people.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about it. You want to stick around for
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a game? Love It came up with a game just
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: for you. I would love to play a game.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: He's jogging.
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: Lovett jogged out.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I was reading message box to get ready for
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the new segment. Gotta know what to say.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: So this is a brand new game.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: A brand new game. John Legend.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: John Lovett.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Is he the coolest friend of the pod?
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: We can't say for sure, but he's in the conversation.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: I'm a genuine fan. I listen to you guys all
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: It makes me nervous. So we've decided to enlist your help.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: We've all borne witness over the past few years to
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: political moments that are deeply sincere and spine-tinglingly cringey.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Okay. Sincere and cringey. Yes.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Probably.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Democrats. Mostly.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Republicans insurrect. Democrats read poems.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Pen is mighty, or we hope.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: We sin-surrect.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: So it's time for a game we call Nerd Level Zero.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Okay. Oh, look at that. Nice.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Nice. I'll read a moment. You will all rank that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: moment on a scale of one to five Bono poems.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: How will we know who wins? The winner is Nancy Pelosi,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: but we're going to try to have fun. All right,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: here we go.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: First moment to rank on a scale of one to
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: five Bono poems, Nancy Pelosi and the Dems kneeling in
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Kente cloth.
• 59:56
  Speaker 12: Add some Kente cloth. I have to say, I have
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 12: to plug our show, Sherman Showcase. We have an amazing
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 12: song on the show called Add Some Kente. And I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 12: believe we used one of these photos in the show.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 12: It was for a very special Black History Month edition
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 12: that we did. Sincere and... This is about Max, yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: This is it. This is the standard.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: This is a five. We're starting with a five. Next,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi reads a Bono poem about Ukraine.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: I got this message from.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 13: This morning, from Bono, Ireland's sorrow and pain is now
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 13: the Ukraine, and St. Patrick's name is now Zelensky.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: How about that? I think it's the smiling. Yes.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this clip.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that was real.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: It's brutal. It's the, can you believe it? It's so good.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Look what I just did. It's a four, maybe?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. What do you think?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 13: Four?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 12: The thing is, I feel like reading that poem would
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: have gone over well in that moment, but it was
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 12: the faces that made it cringier.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough. It was tough. So I'm only
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: going to rank that like a two or a three.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Two or a three?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're giving it a three. Next up, Andrew Yang
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: trying to shoot a basketball.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 12: Does this clip end?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's that cringy.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: One, he shoots better than me.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: It did get worse as it went on, though. I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: will say that.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Trick question. He's not a Democrat. That is true. Third party.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: He's a forward party.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Is that what it was? We'll give it a zero.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: You're going to give me a clip of someone being
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: bad at sports?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: He needed his shot to be a little more forward, though.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Next up, Chuck Schumer trying to rap.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. How have I never seen that? I don't know.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know how we're just seeing this for the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: first time.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Is that rolling loud?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: When did that happen? Wow.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: That probably had to be in New York, right? That's
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: the only reason he would do this, right?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, he would.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: Constituent services.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Let's be honest. There's a camera. He'll be there.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: And this wasn't Rosh Hashanah. I don't think. What do
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: we think?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Four?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Three to me.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's three.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like, what are you going to expect?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like he knew he didn't have much sauce,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: so he kept it brief.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with that.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: And so it's a three.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Next up, Hillary Clinton doing the Macarena at the 1996
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Democratic National Convention.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Brutal.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: It's rules. I love it. They're having so much fun.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: It's awesome.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: That's joy.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: This dude just lost.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: Does this clip end?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where it ends.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Ooh, a rainbow flag.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: Please help.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: She never does it. She never does it.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: End the clip.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 12: Hillary never actually did the Macarena.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: She never throws it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: She knew her place and she's like, I'm going to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 12: clap on the... On every quarter note, and that is
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 12: all I'm doing.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: She did the right thing.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Y'all not going to make fun of me.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: She did the right thing. You know, 20 years later.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 12: But I will not critique the unadulterated joy I saw
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 12: in that room as well.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 8: I agree.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I think that's right. What are we saying? They're having
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: a good time.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: They're having fun.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: They're not doing it for 2022. They were doing it
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: back in 1996 when it was a cool dance. Everyone
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: was into it.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: You act like you didn't make the game.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Who are you yelling at?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 11: Yourself?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: He may not have picked the clips. He seems genuinely
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: surprised by the clips.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Listen, in a lot of ways, this is a finely
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: oiled machine. It runs itself. I hand me the cards.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: I read the cards.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Next up.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Ed Markey's breakfast tweet. Just for those listening at home,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: it's Ed Markey in front of a table that says Doritos,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: that has Doritos, Lay's, I believe a Snickers bar.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Brought to you by Frito-Lay.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Milky Way and a Cheetos. So Ed Markey, not long
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: for this world. But I don't think it's that cringy.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's cool.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: It's like a little thirsty, but I don't think it's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: that cringy.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 12: It's funny because he's like in pretty good.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Shape and he's old.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, And he has a great Boston accent.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: If that's what he's eating, more power to him. God
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: bless him. I wish I could eat all that.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: He's a Duncan fan.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: What is the opposite of cringe?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the opposite of cringe. It's good. Yes.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: I support him.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Show us something cringey, love it. What the hell?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: All right, fine. I'll do it. Next up, Lin-Manuel Miranda
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: giving a speech and the Hamilton cast performing Dear Theodosia
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: to commemorate the January 6th insurrection.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: Oh. The description, the log line is not good.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 13: Lin-Manuel and his father and the Hamilton singers who we'll
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 13: hear from said that they were all very honored to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 13: be asked to participate today. I call your attention to.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: A new year brings hope for the future, new energy
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: to face the tasks ahead of us, and a renewed
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: promise to strengthen the foundations of our democracy. That's what
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: I wrote about in the song Dear Theodosia from Hamilton.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: I believe no challenge is worth abandoning our efforts to
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: unite as Americans. We'll keep working, generation after generation, until
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: we reach that someday.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: How long is this going to go?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I think this is good. I like this. This is
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: working on me. I'm cringe. Strike me down. I love this.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Shame on the producers of this program.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: This is good. I mean, these talented people. I think
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: it's great in isolation.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 12: I don't think it was the right way to introduce
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 12: January 6th hearings.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is really a game about Nancy
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Pelosi doing cringy things and some other people who ended
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: up in here.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I'm losing him. I'm losing him. Go to Hillary Clinton
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: saying Pokemon go to the polls. Go to Hillary Clinton
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: doing the Pokemon Go to the polls things, hurry.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 8: Because we're going to have a lot of jobs, jobs
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: from building infrastructure to coding, creating new apps.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: Apps.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know who created Pokemon Go.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Nintendo.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: All right, all right. Talk about it.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: But I'm trying to figure out how we get them
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: to have Pokemon Go to the polls.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's still great. It's a classic. It's a classic.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: We're still talking about it.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's good.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 12: It's kind of like my pose on TikTok.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: It's like knowingly dad on TikTok. That's my thing.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. You know, so you know.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 12: I know I'm too old for this on TikTok. And
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 12: then I feel like Hillary knew she was being corny
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: on that.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: That's up there, though.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: It is up there. I will say this is someone
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: who took great relish in writing very cheesy sentences for
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, including George W. Bush and John McCain are
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: two sides of the same coin. It doesn't amount to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of change. Hey. All right, let's end.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: He genuinely likes that line because he talks about that
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: All the time. It's good. All right. Four out of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: five for me. I like it.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: I like that line.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you, John Legend. Thank you, John Legend. Next, last one,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: last one.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: 2016.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Where do you got it? You got something to read?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: You got it?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Bring Dan out here. Trump bad, Trump bad. It's fine.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: We know what's going to happen.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: All right. Final clip. Final clip. 2016 DNC's fight song.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: Ladies and gentlemen, my mother, my hero, and our next president,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: Hillary Clinton.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: This is working on me, too. It looks cool. I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: think it was good.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I think it was fine. No cringe.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: No cringe.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Zero cringe.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: No cringe. That's our game. Thank you.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we had a nice range of... Yeah.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: We learned... That's why there's a scale.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: We learned maybe we're pretty cringe.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes everyone's cringe. You either die here or you
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: live long enough.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: To be cringe. I did the Yes We Can video
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: with Will.i.am.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I remember that.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that only became cringe after the fact.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: It was at the time.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: It worked at the time.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: It really worked.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: It worked, yes.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't write the change line.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: We'll get a speech off, an old-fashioned speech off over here.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, no. We're the ones we've been waiting for. It
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. What does it even mean?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Well, what?
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: John Legend, thank you so much.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we actually will be joined by
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the host of Dare We Say, Alicia Pascal-Pena and Yasmin
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Hamidi for another game. So hang on your hats. End
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: of segment. Go to commercial. And we're back. Welcome to
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: the studio, the hosts of Cricket's Dare We Say podcast,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: along with Josie Tota, Alicia Pascal-Pena, and Yasmin Hamidi. Hello
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: to you both. You've joined us because you are going
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: to be pitted against my first wave millennial co-host. And Dan.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: And last wave Gen X co-host. Yeah, almost millennial co-host.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: For a game we're calling Youngs vs. Slightly Less Youngs
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: But Still in the Prime of Their Lives.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: Okay. Some classic ageism.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Some other titles we considered. Dare We Gray.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 11: Boy, I like that one.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Also, Y2K vs. Y2Slay. Here's how it works. I'll be
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: asking our Dare We Say host trivia questions about iconic
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: millennial touchstones. Tommy and John and Dan will be asked
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: about Gen Z.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: Are you ready?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 11: Good luck, you guys. We're the best.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: Generation to win.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Yasmine, Alicia, here we go. Jack and Meg White, the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: band members in White Stripes were what? A, brother and sister, B,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: a divorced couple, C, a divorced couple who pretended to
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: be siblings for reasons that both now feel obscure and malevolent,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: or D, are actually the same person?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 11: Not the same person. Can you repeat the question?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 11: Are you being serious?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 11: Ask someone with dyslexia. All right, all right, all right.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 11: I know there's songs. Can we discuss or no?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you can.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 11: There's like that Nation Army song. They're really great. Not
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 11: too much.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: We'll have to cut it.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 11: Can we do B? I think they were. No, I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: feel like they were. Silent or silenced? You're being silenced
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 11: by me.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: I need an answer. B.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 11: Siblings? What was that one?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: No, they were.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Divorcees?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 11: Divorcees. I'm sorry.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: That was incorrect.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 11: All of it was?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: It was C, they were a divorced couple that pretended
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: to be siblings.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: That's sick.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 11: That's really weird.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: By the way, I learned that today. I thought up
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: until today, I lived my whole life thinking that they
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: were siblings. You thought they were siblings. They were a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: divorced couple pretending to be siblings? What a weird thing.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 11: I feel like that's against the law.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it is.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: Not in Kentucky. In no way is it against the law.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Damn, okay. There's no way you can find a way
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: to make it against the law. John, Dan, Tommy.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: What did TikTok star Charlie D'Amelio get named after?
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Did I say that right?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 11: D'Amelio.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: D'Amelio?
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 11: D'Amelio.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: D'Amelio.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Eat shit. I think it's so cool being young. Being
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: old is something you want to be. It's a goal.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: It's the only thing you make fun of somebody for
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: a goal that they have. The only other option is death.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 11: That's fair.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Anyway, what did TikTok star Charli D'Amelio get named after
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: her last year? A, a limited edition Dunkin' Donuts drink. B,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: nail polish. C, a barn owl at Connecticut's Beardsley Zoo. D,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: a newly discovered moth.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: Okay, I think she's endorsed by Dunkin' Donuts.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Really? Well, I like Dunkin' Donuts.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, sure.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Well, but I don't know. I didn't really listen to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: the rest.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like nail polish is the... Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: I would have gone with the owl, but go with Dunkin'.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: We're really split here.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Are you guys sure?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 11: Are you sure about that?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: You guys are acting like Gen X right now. Pick
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: an answer.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 11: I'm going to give you guys a hint. Moth.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: It was the only one none of us thought.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: It's the one.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 11: The moth.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: It's the moth.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: Moth.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: Incorrect.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: It was Dunkin' Donuts.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 10: Yes!
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 11: We're playing dirty over here.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: Sneaky.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Sneaky fucking generation. That's me and Alicia.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 11: If we did bad, you guys couldn't get the first one.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: You feel me?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Tommy got it.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: It's outwit, outlast. It's wit, outplay, outlast. Confidence.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 11: But now I feel bad. We just gaslighted you guys.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Our Gen Z co-host is going to.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: Take the rest.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 11: Gaslight gatekeep girl boss. We're killing it.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: All right, next up. For our Gen Z crew, which
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: is not a real episode of MTV's seminal reality TV show,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: True Life? Is it A, True Life, I'm obsessed with
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: my dog. No, that's a real one. B, True Life,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I'm a Staten Island girl. C, True Life, I hate
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: my face. D, True Life, I'm horny in Miami.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Ew.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: That one, that one. Or is it E, True Life,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: all the above?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 11: All the above, 110%. Wait, no, no, you're saying which isn't.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: No, which is not.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 11: Wait a minute, what? Wait. Our education system.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: That's a good point.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: That's a really good point.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Ray is a good point.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Which is not all of the above. Do it on the.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Fly.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: You got it. It was all the above.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 7: Yay!
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 11: Yeah, all of those are definitely episodes. True Life was brazy.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: MTV. Like lawyers over here.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: MTV.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Your honor. You have no idea. Your honor. You have
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: no idea what it was like.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: Really?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: You have no idea what it was like.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: All right. Before Ridiculous.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: It was good for a while. Jersey Shore, right?
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: To my... All right. John, Tommy, Dan. Who is Jack Harlow?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: He's a rapper.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: He's a rapper. You got it. He's also set to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: make his acting debut in a remake of White Men
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Can't Jump. Stop it. Even after seeing what happened to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Harry Styles.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: He's brave.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 11: Jack is going to be an actor now?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: I'm learning it from this card.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 11: Jack, if you're listening to this.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: You should ask him the original cast of White Men
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Can't Jump.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Who is the original cast of White Men Can't Jump?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 11: I don't even know that movie. No, the one that
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 11: was Blade.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 11: He's a king.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 11: Somebody give me a name. Wesley Simps. I knew that.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 11: And the other one.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: You're not. Oh my God.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 11: Thank you. Thank you so much. But see, I've seen it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 11: I've seen it because.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: It's a classic. Ken Jennings doesn't tolerate this shit.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 11: Thank you. I love you. You get a hug.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Next up. Whom did Britney Spears famously kiss at the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: 2003 VMA? Oh, Madonna.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: That's correct. Who then kissed Christina Aguilera seconds later.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: So by the transitive property, also Christina Aguilera.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 11: And Madonna's been kissing Tokisha. Do you know who that is? Sorry,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 11: Dominican rapper.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: Next question.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 11: Nothing will happen and I'll be like, good job.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: John, Dan, Tommy, please explain how the Be Real app works.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: You just have to explain it. We're just going to
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: judge it.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Who's on Be Real?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Don't tell them.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Everyone, be cool. How does it work?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: You take a picture and it posts automatically and you
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. It's out there because it's
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: supposed to be.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Except that you have a ton that you can do
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: You fucking fuck.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Stage that shit.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Right right right but it's not anything.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Else about it anything else about it can you do
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: it once a day right did we get there I'm
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: going to say incorrect. I mean, you think it was
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: close enough? It was good? You think it was good?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right, all right, all right.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: No. What's wrong?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: You think it was right or wrong?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 11: I think it was wrong. I'm sorry.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Tell us what it is.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 11: So Be Real is an amazing app, right?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, they don't pay for this. They're fine.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 11: No, they're not.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: It's another terrible thing we're doing to ourselves.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's dumb. Unless you want to sponsor us, Be Real.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 11: It's an app that gives you notification once a day.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 11: At a random point. Random point. You don't know when
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 11: it's going to be. And they also, like, they... It
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 11: takes a picture from the front and the back.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 9: At the same time, and you can retake it, but
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: it also shows the people how many times you retook
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: the photo.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: And it shows whoever screenshots. And it's everyone at the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: same time. It's everyone that is doing Be Real at
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: the exact same moment. So in New York right now,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Be Real will happen, and then it looks like a
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: fucking Black Mirror episode.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it is a Black Mirror.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: All right, now... All right, so I feel like they
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: got close enough.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: Half.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 10: Half.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's a half point. I'll give back to
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: the community.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 11: Let's give them a point.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Over to you.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Your question.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Please explain the Y2K problem. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 10: Y'all were crazy and thought the world was going to
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 10: end because it was going to be 0, 0, 0.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: Was that the whole thing?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: No, 2012.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: That's basically right.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 10: 2012?
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: 2012.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 11: The movie wasn't. Let me try again.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 10: So y'all thought that y'all's computers and stuff, you know,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 10: like the geriatric people, them, They thought, like, 2-0-0 wasn't
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 10: going to work on, like, your phones and computers.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 11: My mom's not happy with you.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Your mom's not happy with you.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: And y'all thought that, like, the world was going to
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 10: explode and end because it was going to be year
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 10: 200 or 2000.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 11: You cannot wait.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I would have said.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: You cannot say that's wrong.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I would have given that answer.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: First answer was there.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're good. You got it.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: You got it. Thank you.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 11: I was fighting for my life. Thank you.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: All right. TikTok star and Instagram model Ava Louise.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 11: Even know who that is.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: You don't know. That one you don't know. Wow. So
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: you're not quiet now.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 13: All right.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 11: Don't come for fee.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 13: Rude.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Went on Dr. Phil after going viral for doing what? A.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: Successfully chugging a gallon of milk. B. Choreographing sexy dances
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: to steely dance songs. C. licking an airplane toilet seat
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: in a coronavirus challenge video, or D, challenging JoJo Siwa
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: to a fight?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: What do you got, Tommy?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: Leave it to me, Tommy.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: I feel like I heard about someone licking a toilet seat,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: and I assume it was this person.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: So sure, C.
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  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: You were so on line. It was a video in
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: March of 2020.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: Brave time to fly.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 11: Ew. During COVID?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Next up. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 10: Like, anytime, but also, like, you took your mask off
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 10: to make a twit?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: It was gross in 2019. It wasn't cool then. All right, next.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: Which of the following was not a real early aughts
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: reality show? Like the early 2000s.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: Okay, got it.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: We never came up with a good name for the 00s.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: You said aughts, and I said okay. I know. We
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have a good name for it. That's okay. We
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: never cracked it. We never cracked it, and that wasn't it.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 11: It's okay. We're here.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Which of the following was not a real early aughts
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: reality show? A, Mr. Personality, a short-lived dating show hosted
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: by Monica Lewinsky. No way. B, Are You Hot, a
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: show where a panel of judges evaluated the sexiness of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: shirtless men and bikini-clad women with the help of a
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: laser pointer. C, The Swan, a show where women got
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: plastic surgery makeovers and then had to compete in a
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: beauty pageant. Or D, One Man's Trash, a show where
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: a bachelorette had to choose a date based solely on
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: the trash found in her prospective suitor's cars.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Or E, were they all real?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 11: What the hell were you guys thinking back then?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, three of the four of
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: those were real. No way. Yes.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: And we only made up one. I'll remind you. It's Mr. Personality,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: Are You Hot?, The Swan- And one man's trash.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: I think it's Mr. Personality because Miss Monica wouldn't do something.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: No way.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 11: She wouldn't.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: No way.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 11: No, don't look at me like that, John.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: That's incorrect.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 11: Monica Lewinsky had a dating show?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: You don't understand.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 11: How did they get her to do that?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: You have to understand how bad a time the 2000s were.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 11: Wait, y'all were on drugs, right?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Everyone thought all the problems were solved and that people
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: couldn't be sexist because James Bond could punch women.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 11: Wait, what?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: The rules were weird.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 11: They said feminism. You can punch women now.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 8: Wait.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: It was a tough time.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 11: It was a tough time. So America, like.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 10: obliterated this woman in the media and then gave her
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 10: a dating show.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: Briefly. Briefly.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that either.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I would have said that.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: And to everyone listening, we have a pitch deck for
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: one man's trash if anyone networks are interested.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 11: I feel like that's what The Bachelor is right now.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Like, what? Yeah.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: Which.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be supportive. I know, I know.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: You're yucking it up.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: Just trying to encourage.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 11: I appreciate it.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Obviously, everyone knows I don't watch The Bachelor. It's not
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: a queer space. What?
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 11: It's not.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: All right. Which hairstyle has Gen Z summarily canceled? A,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: the side part, B, the center part, C, ponytail, or D, bangs?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I think side part.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: You got it. You got it.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 11: Alicia, with a side part right now? And also, yeah,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 11: me with a side part.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: All right. I'm going to, let's do, all right, here
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: we go. Which TV personality testified before the House Appropriations
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: Committee on behalf of music education in 2002? A, Paris Hilton, B, Elmo, C,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Paula Abdul, or D, Tyra Banks? Who did? Who did?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 11: It's either Tyra or Elmo. I felt that in my spirit.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 11: I feel like Sesame Street does really good work. Can
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 11: you name this episode? It's either Tyra or Elmo.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: I need an answer.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 11: Tyra or Elmo. Or is it Abdul?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 11: Even though she's a dance icon and choreographer. I'm going
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 11: to go Elmo.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 11: Thank you so much. Sesame Street does good work.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: One more question for our 1980s boys. Which of the following.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Dan got quiet.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: All right. Which of the following was not a real
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: storyline on Riverdale? Oh no. A. Jughead fakes its own death. B.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Archie fights a bear. C. Veronica performs jailhouse rock for
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Archie outside his juvenile detention center. D. Everybody joins an
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: organ harvesting cult. Or E. None of the above. They're
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: all real.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: What was the drug they took called? Like, Ying Yang
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: or some shit? Jingle. Jingle jangle. Jingle jangle. Thank you.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: Thank you. I know this from listening to Keep It.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 11: I was like, how do you know all this stuff?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't watch that shit.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 11: You're like, I watch Riverdale.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: How does he know this stuff?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Tommy.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 11: Who's your best friend, Gen Z-er? Wait, you should hang
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 11: out with us. You want to come on Dare We Say?
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: If you guys want to hang out between like 6
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: and 8 p.m., I would love to.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Tommy's an early to bed, early to rise type. I
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: was like, you got it.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 11: Really turn up hours there.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think, Gen Z-er? I'll be above.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: That's correct. It is all of the above. It's all
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: of the above, which is none of the above. They're
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: all real. It's the golden age of scripted television. Final
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: question for Gen Z. This is for everything because we're tied.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 11: We shut up. You made that up. You made the
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 11: stakes go all the way up.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Who or what? Now, I'll do it like this. Okay.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: If you can tell me without the clues, you win outright.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: Okay? Wow.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 11: Wow, we take it all home.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Who or what was T9? What was T9? D9, it
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: was something. Let me tell you. I'll just give you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: some hints. I'm going to try to hint. It is
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: not a spray. Don't guess just yet. It is not
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: a spray. I'll tell you this. Here's the thing. It
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: was something everybody used. It was absolutely terrible. And yet
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: we all thought it was amazing. It was on our phones.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: It was how we texted. It's the thing.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 11: Wait a damn minute. It's the thing... Oh, shit.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 7: T9?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 11: Is it a program or something? No, isn't it like
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 11: the thing that... Like a pager?
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: It was....
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the hint. Is it A, a boy band?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: No, no.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: I've already gone beyond the text. Is it a C,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: a pre-smartphone predicting... Is it.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: It's this dumb thing from your phone. You got it.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: It was basically, just so you know, when we first
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: got cell phones, you could text, but you only had
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: the numbers. And so you would type using the numbers,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: but it would help you by predicting what word was next.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 11: Oh, I had that on my old flip phone.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 11: Back like 70 years ago.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't hate it.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 11: All right, Bob. Nobody needed to know that. My first
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 11: phone had an antenna.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Hold on. Sorry.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 11: No, no, no, John. You can sit over here.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: You can sit over here. So just first of all,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: please introduce yourself.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 11: Hi, I'm Cami.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 10: I'm Alicia's birth mom and Yaz's adoptive mom.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: As of right now.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: And you're saying that Alicia knows about this technology called T9,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: this ancient technology. I actually don't. Alicia, can you please
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: be quiet? Yeah. I'm having a conversation with your mother.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 11: This is so unfair. You would never have this power
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 11: if she wasn't here.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: You can just tell people to be quiet all the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: time because you say it in Spanish as if that's better.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: It's not. It's equally rude. It's just rude in another language. Sorry.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: So sorry.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: And I taught you.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 11: Better than that.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 11: This is work discrimination in her eyes.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: And she had a T9 phone.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 11: So in fifth grade, we gave her my mom's old
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 11: cell phone. And she wouldn't know about it because she
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 11: refused to use it. She would leave it at the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 11: bottom of her book bag and say that she couldn't
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 11: find it. And that was, and that was, and that's
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 11: the way.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 10: That's the way she got convinced us to buy her
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 10: another type of phone.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 11: No, I saved up for my iPhone with modeling money.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 11: She refused to use it. Cammy, she gaslit you.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 8: We can talk about it.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's her thing.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: On the next episode of Dare We Say.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 11: I'll be a guest.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. We're all out of time. We're all
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: out of time.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 11: John, how dare you? You have never.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: You listen, listen.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: You brought your mom to the show.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't even expect.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Gen Z, dare we say, you've won. You've won the game. Alicia, Yasmeen,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. That's our show.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you to Elizabeth Warren, John Legend, Sam Sanders, Yasmeen Hamidi,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Alicia Pascual-Pena, and a big thank you to SiriusXM for
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: hosting us. Everyone from Vote Save America who came to
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: the crowd. And check us out on Crooked Radio every
• 1:27:23
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• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: Thanks, everyone.
• 1:27:31
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• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: producer is Michael Martinez. Our senior producer is Andy Gardner Bernstein.
• 1:27:38
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• 1:27:45
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• 1:27:52
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