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182: Sister Wives Rewind - Polygamist Cults (S5 E4) · Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 3: quite from Melanie. Hi, Melanie, Hi, and she's got a
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Speaker 3: question about Mary Brown. Okay, all right, let's get into it. Hi,
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Speaker 4: I hope you're well. I'm Melanie. I'm from the UK,
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Speaker 4: and we don't have dumpsters here, or what we do
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Speaker 4: have dumpsters here, but we call them skips or skip bins,
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Speaker 4: and we don't have raccoons here. So I'm a squirrel
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Speaker 4: and I'm rooting about in the skip. So what I'm
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Speaker 4: getting in touch for is his wives. I'm quite fascinated
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Speaker 4: by the relationship and the role that Mary has played
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Speaker 4: in the downfall of the family into everyone's had a
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Speaker 4: role to play. And I'm not pinning anything, you know,
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Speaker 4: any more than anyone else apart from the obvious two
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Speaker 4: on Mary, but her support of Robin and Cody, and
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Speaker 4: her obvious favoritism of Robin's children over the children that
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Speaker 4: she allegedly as bought up as her own. And just
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Speaker 4: I just wonder if she had told if she had
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Speaker 4: held the line with the other two, how things maybe
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Speaker 4: would be different. I'm not suggesting it wouldn't have gone
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Speaker 4: to ratchet, but that it may have been different. It
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Speaker 4: may have been sooner, and there may have been less exploitation,
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Speaker 4: shall we say, of the wives and the children. So
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Speaker 4: I just would like to hear your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: Bye Bye, Melanie from the UK, another international raccoon. What
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Speaker 1: an interesting question, Yeah, what do you think? I mean.
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Speaker 3: I feel like Mary in the beginning didn't know it
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Speaker 3: was gonna turn to shit, and I feel like Robin
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Speaker 3: was her only ally because Christine probably hated Mary. Janelle
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Speaker 3: hates Mary for sure because Mary's a controlling bitch. So
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Speaker 3: I just feel like Mary was kind of naive a
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Speaker 3: bit in the beginning, like maybe she had kind of
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Speaker 3: an inkling like later on as time went on and
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Speaker 3: Cody started favoring Robin like a lot, like way more obviously,
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Speaker 3: then she started to pick up on it. But Mary's
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Speaker 3: also kind of dumb in my opinion, so I feel
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Speaker 3: like she just like wanted a friend because she's lonely.
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Speaker 3: Obviously she got catfished and wanted a friend to suck
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Speaker 3: on their banana. So I don't know. I feel like
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Speaker 3: Mary was kind of naive and didn't really know, but
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Speaker 3: then later in the season she knew and she probably
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Speaker 3: should have done something about it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. Like I think back to the
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Speaker 1: scene with Christine telling everybody that she's leaving the family
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Speaker 1: and Mary sitting there hard faced, not saying a word. Yeh,
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Speaker 1: no compassion, no grace for her other sister wife that
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Speaker 1: she's been in a relationship with for almost you know,
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Speaker 1: twenty years or however long Christine's been in the family,
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Speaker 1: just absolutely nothing but dust for Christine. And I do
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Speaker 1: imagine a world where what if, you know, Mary around
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Speaker 1: the time of the catfish, like went to Janelle and
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Speaker 1: Christine first and foremost to make amends for the things
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Speaker 1: that she did to those women that they are still
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Speaker 1: harboring against her. Maybe she could have made some headway
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Speaker 1: had she tried earlier. Second, like, what if she actually
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Speaker 1: aligned herself with Christine and Janelle? What if they were
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Speaker 1: actually able to get together in a room to talk
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Speaker 1: about the glaring inequities that you know, Cody's spending all
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Speaker 1: this time with Robin and not them, Like, what do
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Speaker 1: we think about what if she supported them? What if
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Speaker 1: she validated them? What if she acknowledged what was going on?
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Speaker 1: How might that have to her question Melanie's question, how
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Speaker 1: might that have lessened the overall trauma in the family.
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Speaker 1: I think it might have maybe, yeah, because I think
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Speaker 1: maybe it would have mobilized Janelle and Christine and even
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Speaker 1: Mary to do something differently a lot sooner. Yeah, if
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Speaker 1: they felt that they weren't going it alone, which I
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Speaker 1: think they probably. I don't think Janelle and Christine became
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Speaker 1: a thing until like the last couple of seasons. Previous
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Speaker 1: to that, I think they were islands unto themselves. And
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Speaker 1: so what how different would it have been if Mary
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Speaker 1: took the initiative, because she knew full fucking well by
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Speaker 1: the time she's got a banana in her mouth, sitting
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Speaker 1: in that tub, she knows full fucking well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah that.
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Speaker 1: So I'm swearing that Cody is not betting her, That
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Speaker 1: Cody is not spending any time in her big ass
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Speaker 1: home in the cul de Sac. She knows full well
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Speaker 1: that he's favoring Robin, and she's not doing anything about it.
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Speaker 1: And to this day, Beatrice twenty twenty four, she's still
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Speaker 1: sweeping for Cody, she's still caping for Cody and Robin.
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Speaker 1: She's still going on these banal, dumb ass podcasts, and
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Speaker 1: she's not giving any information. She's not indicting these absolute
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Speaker 1: thieves and awful people who stole her land, any true
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Speaker 1: stole her land. She's not indicting any of them are
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Speaker 1: speaking out against them. So she's still not doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing. So I don't know a world where Mary
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Speaker 1: did the right thing and those other two women did
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Speaker 1: the right thing. So many different things could have happened
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Speaker 1: with mildrogen, with the homes, with the money, but Mary
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Speaker 1: never did first and foremost, because I agree she's dumb. Yep,
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Speaker 1: she's trying to sniff like a raccoon to find the
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Speaker 1: winds of power. She thought Cody and Robin had the power.
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Speaker 1: She made the wrong choice, and now here we are
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Speaker 1: alone in a haunted B and B in Parwan, Utah.
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Speaker 3: And like, all I would want is for Mary to
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Speaker 3: tell the truth and just be like, you know, I
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Speaker 3: was duped, Like Robin totally manipulated me. I thought we
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Speaker 3: were friends, and she totally fucking hated my guts probably
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Speaker 3: and stole my man, stole my man from everybody else.
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Speaker 3: So like it'd be nice if Mary could have some
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Speaker 3: self awareness. But again, she's dumb.
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Speaker 1: So well, she's dumb, But I think she knows. I
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Speaker 1: think she has an understanding of like what really happened.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand
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Speaker 1: that she was completely duped, especially by Robin who feigned
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Speaker 1: to be her friend and never really wanted to spend
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Speaker 1: time with her. And I think she addressed that in
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Speaker 1: the most recent interview, maybe it was with Pink Shade,
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know where. She acknowledges that Robin most
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Speaker 1: definitely was vocal in her support and allyeship with Mary,
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Speaker 1: but like, behind the scenes, that's not really what was happening.
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Speaker 1: Like she vaguely acknowledged that. So she's not dumb in
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Speaker 1: that way. She knows that Robin wasn't there for her,
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Speaker 1: despite what Robin told everybody else. But nonetheless she's still
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Speaker 1: sweeping for them. Yeah, sweeping shit right under that rug.
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Speaker 3: Which is really annoying. But that's why you're alone. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and like Christina Janelle want nothing to do.
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Speaker 1: With you, get some actual therapy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, most of the family doesn't want anything to
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Speaker 3: do with you too because of all of this shit.
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Speaker 1: So stop purporting to be some kind of mentor who
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Speaker 1: has all of your shit together and trying to heal
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Speaker 1: other people in their life's journey when you're still in
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Speaker 1: this fucked up, weird traumatic denial and haven't dealt with
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Speaker 1: your own shit.
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Speaker 3: Mary Well, and speaking of she's got more worthy of
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Speaker 3: retreats coming up.
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Speaker 1: I know I heard about that.
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Speaker 3: I saw that on the Facebook, and I'm like, girl.
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Speaker 1: I mean I think we've got tickets to evening events
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Speaker 1: or something that are selling for anywhere from one hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty to two hundred and eighty or three hundred dollars.
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Speaker 1: That is, to be able to sit down with Mary hey, honey,
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Speaker 1: if she can get her coins. I personally don't begrudy.
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Speaker 3: Taking advantage of people.
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Speaker 1: Well, if people want to sit down with their favorite
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Speaker 1: person on reality TV, like, I would pay it. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be honest. Not because I'm sitting here to learn
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Speaker 1: something from Mary, because I'm Olivia in this situation and
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Speaker 1: she's Mariah and definitely the intellectual superior. But I would
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Speaker 1: want to hang out with Mary a little bit and
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Speaker 1: see what she is like in person. That's what a
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Speaker 1: lot of these people. They're not going there for us
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Speaker 1: actual mentorship. They're going there for the Disney photos. They're
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Speaker 1: going there to say I hung out with Mary Brown,
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Speaker 1: I guess.
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Speaker 3: But how fun would it be if she's so inauthentic though,
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Speaker 3: and she's just hashtag worthy?
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Speaker 1: Up? Are you telling me you wouldn't go?
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Speaker 3: I mean you would. I wouldn't pay three hundred dollars
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Speaker 3: to go, You wouldn't know? Not with Mary Brown? Now
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Speaker 3: with her talking about hashtag worthy up and go to Disneyland. No, okay,
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Speaker 3: I would, Well that makes you trashier than me.
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Speaker 1: That's the difference between you and I. But Melanie, thank
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Speaker 1: you for getting acas tangent. We love talking about some
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Speaker 1: Mary Brown hashtag worthy of thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this episode of Sister Wives
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Speaker 1: season five, episode four.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, entitled Polygamist Cults. Okay, so we have Logan Madison
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Speaker 3: and ass been going up to Utah to volunteer with
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Speaker 3: an organization called Holding Out Help or Holding for Help
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Speaker 3: or something, and it's an organization that helps polygamists and
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Speaker 3: Mormons coming in and out of like these polygamist cults
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Speaker 3: and communities. So they've got people coming from the FLDS,
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Speaker 3: which is Warren Jeff's community. It's a bad motherfucker. I
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Speaker 3: hope he Rodson Hill. And they've got other people from
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Speaker 3: like other communities Kingston's.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was familiar with who the Kingstons were I.
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Speaker 3: Have no idea anything about them, but apparently they're bad too.
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Speaker 1: Probably fundamentalist in their own way. I mean Cody and
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Speaker 1: his family, they're fundamentalists. There's different, like I said last week,
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Speaker 1: different strains COVID nineteen of Mormonism. And we're talking to
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Speaker 1: people who are in the most culti the worst, despicable
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Speaker 1: of the worst child bride cult of them all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm glad that this organization exists because they
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Speaker 3: do actually help these people and give them places to
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Speaker 3: day and help them integrate into the real world because
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Speaker 3: a lot of them are fucking crazy. But yeah, so
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Speaker 3: it's kind of interesting. But the adults kind of give
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Speaker 3: the kids a pep talk beforehand before they go, trying
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Speaker 3: to be like, these people think bad of polygamy, so
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Speaker 3: therefore you got to advertise how good polygamy is, especially
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Speaker 3: on the cameras please stay.
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Speaker 1: And they're asking Aspen in particular, like are you going
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Speaker 1: to be able to represent how you really feel about
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Speaker 1: polygamy or you know, are you going to be pushed
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Speaker 1: around by these people who don't believe in it and
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Speaker 1: think it's pure abuse? And Aspen's like, no, I can
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Speaker 1: definitely talk about my experience and represent our family. And
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Speaker 1: Janelle seems a little dubious and worried, but it's Christine,
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Speaker 1: I think, who is the most worried. And she calls
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Speaker 1: out the director of Holding Out for Help, Tanya. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we meet in this episode, and she says something kind
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Speaker 1: of cryptic in the beginning. She's like, you know, I've
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Speaker 1: heard about this woman, but I've never met her. But
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Speaker 1: I just don't know if I trust her. And essentially
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Speaker 1: Christine is worried about sending her kids up there because
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Speaker 1: it is Tanya gonna try and take them away. We
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Speaker 1: don't know. That's why Christine seems really irrational and weird,
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Speaker 1: and it felt like a very programmed, brainwashy thing to
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Speaker 1: say about this woman who's trying to help these poor
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Speaker 1: kids get out of these very toxic and abusive homes.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Christine, you are such an entrenched member of
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Speaker 1: the borgh like you are such a fucking bot yep.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I did not like her
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Speaker 1: in this episode, the way she talked about this charity.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought it was kind of stupid because
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Speaker 3: this whole episode, I'm watching it and I'm like, these
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Speaker 3: adults put the kids up to this, like they wanted
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Speaker 3: them to go and do this charity event for TV
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Speaker 3: and also to promote the fact that no, no, no,
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Speaker 3: the Browns are actually really good. No, we're actually a
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Speaker 3: really great polygamous family and we're healthy. And I mean
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Speaker 3: like at the time they were fine, like they were
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Speaker 3: I mean, guess, I guess functional, Like.
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Speaker 1: God's the real convert.
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Speaker 3: It's it's just so stupid.
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Speaker 1: Like You've got Maddie crying up in Utah outside of
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Speaker 1: the charity right the charitable house that they go up
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Speaker 1: there to paint and whatnot. She's crying because she's met
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Speaker 1: these abused kids and she's understanding like how terrible their
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Speaker 1: experience has been. But she truly believes in polygamy, like
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Speaker 1: all of these kids truly believe in polygamy. And this
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Speaker 1: is twenty twelve, and I'm wondering to myself self, how
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Speaker 1: does Maddie feel about that? In twenty twenty four, how
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Speaker 1: does Logan feel about that? You know, Aspen, who is
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Speaker 1: actually considering polygamy at this moment in time, went on
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Speaker 1: to marry that Scottish lumberjack guy, and she's monogamous, like
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Speaker 1: none of the kids ended up being polygamous, and we've
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Speaker 1: got this song and dance again from Cody and the
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Speaker 1: wives trying to compare and contrast like real polygamy, as
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Speaker 1: if their polygamy is the purest form of what polygamy
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Speaker 1: ought to be, when I don't actually think that the
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Speaker 1: rest to Mormonism would say that they're representative of polygamy
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Speaker 1: and or Mormonism right. So I'm like, and at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day, it was toxic because it was bad.
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Speaker 1: I do't I'm not saying that there was sexual or
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Speaker 1: physical abuse of any kind that we see with these
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Speaker 1: kids that we meet in this episode, but there was
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Speaker 1: emotional abuse. There was for abuse. In the last few years,
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Speaker 1: we've got roided out to Stostor owned Cody Brown being
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Speaker 1: unfucking hinged yep, being cruel to his own children. So
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Speaker 1: I'm like, so is this polygamy right?
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Speaker 3: And it just to me, it just felt like it
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Speaker 3: was more for the parents, Like it wasn't for the
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Speaker 3: kids to like have this experience, like it was just
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Speaker 3: for TV and just for Cody's image to make everybody
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Speaker 3: think like, no, he's actually a good guy, He's a
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Speaker 3: good dad. Because at the end of the episode. That's
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Speaker 3: kind of like the moral of it, right, all of
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Speaker 3: these polygamist kids come down to visit and they're like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 3: we think you're cool, Coddy.
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Speaker 1: Well not Colleen. Well, Colleen with the eyeliner.
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Speaker 3: She did say, she's like, you're a good dad at.
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Speaker 1: The end, but I mean, very begrudgingly. She's side eyeing
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Speaker 1: all of these people the entire time. Yeah, and she
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Speaker 1: has every right to.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: Really bugs me about this entire premise is that Cody
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Speaker 1: and Christine and Janelle and Mary are acting like it's
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Speaker 1: so far be it from us. I know, like that
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Speaker 1: is so unacceptable. It is not a part of our
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Speaker 1: reality or our culture. Like, bitch, miss me with that, Christine, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it absolutely is. This shit is going on in AUB.
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Speaker 1: I dare say allegedly, I don't know. This shit is
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Speaker 1: going on through various fundamentalists Mormon strains, and this is
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Speaker 1: happening across the board. So don't act like you've never
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Speaker 1: seen it. Don't act like you haven't heard about it. Christine,
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Speaker 1: you are a princess in the aub You've seen this
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Speaker 1: shit before. And at the end when she's like, I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that men could be such boster. Honey, you
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Speaker 1: grew up in this culture. I'm not believing one bit
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Speaker 1: of this.
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Speaker 3: I know. I thought that was so weird and like
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Speaker 3: you're like fake crying like miss me with that. Yes,
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Speaker 3: even rob and though too is like making it all
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Speaker 3: about herself.
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Speaker 1: Of course, as soon as she can, she's thinking about herself.
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Speaker 3: It's so gross, and I kind of felt bad for
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Speaker 3: these kids. So they're at this house, they're painting for
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Speaker 3: charity whatever, and then they sit down and like actually
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Speaker 3: talk to the kids and talk to the directors and stuff,
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Speaker 3: and so we get to kind of get to know them.
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Speaker 3: So Colleen the one with the weird hair, right, do
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Speaker 3: we see her hair and that dogging hit the big
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Speaker 3: old Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, girl, she's rock gonna look honey.
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Speaker 3: God bless Yeah. She's like the most bitter towards polygamy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess her dad was like a piece
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Speaker 3: of shit. He was abusive. She wanted to leave at fifteen,
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Speaker 3: but then ultimately ended up leaving at seventeen. She was
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Speaker 3: called a devil child.
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Speaker 1: Her first memory of her father is him beating the
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Speaker 1: shit out of her.
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Speaker 3: Yep, her father was treated like a king and.
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Speaker 1: Had his glass swear in his own plates. Everybody else
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Speaker 1: got plastic. And so it sounds like the polygamist dads
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Speaker 1: are the visiting kings. When they deign to come to
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Speaker 1: one wife's home to visit that wife and their children,
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Speaker 1: it's like he's royalty and all of the kids are
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Speaker 1: just there to serve him, like, oh, fucked up, my god.
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Speaker 3: And then we have Nicole who had twenty seven moms,
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Speaker 3: and how all of the mom sucked like they weren't
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Speaker 3: around to take care of any of the kids because
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Speaker 3: all of them were competing for attention from her biological dad.
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Speaker 1: Not even one mother out of twenty seven could show
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Speaker 1: up for her.
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Speaker 3: Yikes.
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Speaker 1: And so when she's sixteen, her father, that piece of
18:28
Speaker 1: shit yep, I hate all these men all getting rage.
18:32
Speaker 1: That piece of shit sits her down and says, you're sixteen,
18:34
Speaker 1: it's time for you to get married. And so she
18:36
Speaker 1: already had a boy in mind. The father didn't approve,
18:40
Speaker 1: and so she ended up running off and marrying this
18:43
Speaker 1: other kid and they have a child and crazy, and
18:48
Speaker 1: that's how she got out. So she lived in her
18:50
Speaker 1: car though for like thirty days.
18:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to survive and get out of that cult.
18:55
Speaker 3: And I can't remember Suzanne. Suzanne, okay, thank you. I
18:58
Speaker 3: was like, I forgot it.
18:59
Speaker 1: I thought she was all sad, but like she seemed
19:02
Speaker 1: the most the most maybe damaged to me.
19:05
Speaker 3: I mean because she came from the Warren Jeff's cult yep.
19:08
Speaker 3: So and she had a dad who I guess left
19:11
Speaker 3: the cult.
19:12
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure that out because she said,
19:15
Speaker 1: one day her father came to the family and said,
19:18
Speaker 1: I'm a bad man and I have to leave immediately.
19:22
Speaker 1: And basically you're going to be assigned to another father
19:25
Speaker 1: who was Warren Jeff's yep. Warren Jeff's, however, was taken away,
19:29
Speaker 1: and so it was some other dude who was now
19:31
Speaker 1: responsible for this wife and all their children. And she
19:35
Speaker 1: never saw her father again, has no idea where he is,
19:39
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering why he was sent away. But I
19:42
Speaker 1: think that happened with Warren Jeff's, Like there were what
19:46
Speaker 1: they called him the seed something. There was like a
19:48
Speaker 1: set group of men, like thirty men, twenty seven men
19:53
Speaker 1: who were able to fuck all the women, yes, and
19:55
Speaker 1: if you were not one of those men, you could
19:57
Speaker 1: not fuck any of the women. And many of those
19:59
Speaker 1: men were castaway, sent away, and a lot of the
20:01
Speaker 1: boys were as well, because they were essentially competition.
20:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were all pieces of shit too, Like
20:09
Speaker 3: they were all horrible, horrible people. So yeah, I felt
20:13
Speaker 3: really bad for Suzanne and then the guy Stephen.
20:16
Speaker 1: Stephen I did strike you like their general affect, the
20:20
Speaker 1: way they acted, didn't They kind of strike you as
20:23
Speaker 1: a little bit amishy?
20:24
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally.
20:25
Speaker 1: The Amish come out for their is it called rum Springer, Yeah,
20:28
Speaker 1: and they integrate with the English like they're just painfully
20:33
Speaker 1: dumb because none of them have had any education. And
20:36
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be pejorative, honestly, that's what it is.
20:38
Speaker 1: No exposure to the world, no actual education, no worldly experience.
20:43
Speaker 1: And I mean Stephen's twenty years old here. Yeah, he
20:47
Speaker 1: was kicked out of the cult because he came home
20:49
Speaker 1: at two am and his dad is like, you gotta go.
20:52
Speaker 3: Well, my general thought was that he's gay or something,
20:54
Speaker 3: because he said he did something that they didn't approve of.
20:58
Speaker 3: So I'm like, were you out, like, were you out
21:01
Speaker 3: fucking like, what were you doing? I'd love to know.
21:04
Speaker 3: But I felt bad for him too, sure, because he
21:06
Speaker 3: just got fucking ostracized. He's like, bye, you're out of
21:08
Speaker 3: the cult now, which is honestly good for him, right,
21:12
Speaker 3: because you get out of that.
21:13
Speaker 1: But I mean, these are the lost boys of Mormonism. Yeah,
21:16
Speaker 1: the boys who become competition for the older men who
21:19
Speaker 1: are from forties to eighties marrying these thirteen year old girls,
21:22
Speaker 1: all of them. I can't say this, so I'm not
21:25
Speaker 1: going to, but like it's just terrible, Like how do
21:28
Speaker 1: you get to the place as a father where you're
21:31
Speaker 1: willing to sell your child, not sell them, just give
21:35
Speaker 1: them to Warren Jeff's to give them to some fifty
21:39
Speaker 1: year old man, Like how does that not like trigger
21:43
Speaker 1: some sort of a conscious reaction where you're like, wait
21:45
Speaker 1: a minute, these are my children. I need to take
21:48
Speaker 1: care of them.
21:48
Speaker 3: While they're doing it too, they're also screwing these thirteen
21:52
Speaker 3: year old kids like they're pieces of shit, all of them.
21:54
Speaker 3: They're dam its, rotten hell. That's how I'm kal rutten
21:59
Speaker 3: heel for real, they were. I just felt bad for
22:03
Speaker 3: all these polygamists escapies, yes, because they're talking to the
22:07
Speaker 3: brown kids, and the brown kids are doing their best
22:10
Speaker 3: to do their parents' job, which is defend polygamy and
22:13
Speaker 3: defend their lifestyle. No, no, no, it's actually really great,
22:16
Speaker 3: like we grew up really healthy, Like I love my childhood,
22:19
Speaker 3: I love my parents and blah blah blah. And all
22:23
Speaker 3: these kids are like, okay, sure, Jan, especially Colleen. Colleen's like, mmm,
22:28
Speaker 3: I think y'all are brainwashed, right, I think y'all are dumb.
22:30
Speaker 1: When they're painting, somebody asks Colleen like, well, why wouldn't
22:35
Speaker 1: you choose polygamy for yourself now? And she could have
22:39
Speaker 1: said something kind in front of the Browns who may
22:42
Speaker 1: be choosing some polygamy in the kids, maybe making that choice,
22:45
Speaker 1: But in the stead she says, because I'm not stupid.
22:48
Speaker 1: So she's aggressive, like she's been traumatized. She's looked her
22:51
Speaker 1: up on the internet. Yeah, she has an ig oh
22:55
Speaker 1: really she is a former stripper ooh, and she is
23:00
Speaker 1: a current Yoghini. She like has crystal bowls, and she's
23:04
Speaker 1: into like spirituality, metaphysical trendy spirituality if you will. But
23:11
Speaker 1: she's still kind of odd. I think she at some point,
23:14
Speaker 1: the rumor is that she was kind of diagnosed bipolar,
23:18
Speaker 1: which and she's got like many many traumatic responses. And
23:22
Speaker 1: this is when I was looking all this up pardon me,
23:24
Speaker 1: I'm going on attire, and I was wanting to find
23:25
Speaker 1: out This is where I found out that she was
23:28
Speaker 1: on that show that I brought up last week because
23:30
Speaker 1: I was wondering if this was sort of an inter yeah,
23:33
Speaker 1: crossover between two shows. And I think the show was
23:35
Speaker 1: called Escaping Polygamy, and she was in that show with
23:39
Speaker 1: her cousin and ultimately got removed from the show for
23:45
Speaker 1: pretending to save somebody that they never saved, and ultimately
23:50
Speaker 1: the show got canceled. But like, she's a bit of
23:53
Speaker 1: a wild child, and you're going to have children and
23:57
Speaker 1: people who end up with mental health issue shoes and
24:00
Speaker 1: personality disorders like c PTSD and otherwise when they grow
24:05
Speaker 1: up in this kind of trauma. This is the consequence
24:09
Speaker 1: of abusing all of these children. They're just going to
24:12
Speaker 1: be fucked up. They're gonna be fucked up for a while, yep,
24:15
Speaker 1: until they get some help, yep. And I felt bad
24:18
Speaker 1: for them because I think it was Tanya, the director
24:21
Speaker 1: of the whole charity, like she was expressing to the
24:24
Speaker 1: cameras like I'm worried that the kids and like therefore
24:27
Speaker 1: the Browns are not going to be like sensitive to
24:30
Speaker 1: the fact that all of these kids were abused and
24:32
Speaker 1: like grew up in these really toxic, horrible environments, and
24:36
Speaker 1: they're just going to be like, oh yeah, plague me
24:38
Speaker 1: so great. And they're kind of they kind of are
24:40
Speaker 1: like the Browns are kind of doing that. The kids
24:42
Speaker 1: are kind of doing that. Although Maddie, like you had
24:44
Speaker 1: said earlier, is crying over hearing the stories from these kids,
24:49
Speaker 1: and I just like, I don't know, I feel bad
24:50
Speaker 1: for them. Colleen is a bit harsh and a bit crazy.
24:53
Speaker 1: I think she's awesome. She's a truth teller, traumatized, she's
24:56
Speaker 1: not backing down, and it's great when she's sitting in
24:58
Speaker 1: a room later with with Code Brown, who's the patriarch, Like, yeah,
25:01
Speaker 1: her problem is with the patriarch. Ye, she is probably
25:04
Speaker 1: currently hexting the patriarchy totally. Her problem is with the
25:07
Speaker 1: men in these cults. And so she actually sits down.
25:10
Speaker 1: She's not scared. She said, wee bit deferential and respectful,
25:14
Speaker 1: which is fine, but like she doesn't like not speak
25:17
Speaker 1: or share her peace. So I had a lot of
25:19
Speaker 1: respect for her me too.
25:20
Speaker 3: I thought, like she's so young and she's like not
25:23
Speaker 3: afraid to be like, no, this is bad. I think
25:25
Speaker 3: this is a terrible lifestyle. I think it's all about
25:27
Speaker 3: control and I think it's terrible. I liked it.
25:30
Speaker 1: I did too. And when Aspin is talking about how
25:32
Speaker 1: she's considering polygamy for herself, Colleen says to the camera like, oh,
25:37
Speaker 1: poor brainwashed Aspen Brown. I know, which is mean but
25:43
Speaker 1: also true.
25:43
Speaker 3: She's not wrong.
25:44
Speaker 1: She's calling it out and you gotta respect that.
25:46
Speaker 3: Yep. Because as much as the Browns want to say
25:49
Speaker 3: that like we give her children the freedom and like
25:51
Speaker 3: we don't brainwash them at all, I'm like, you kind
25:53
Speaker 3: of are, though, because all of the kids think that
25:55
Speaker 3: your current system is good and obviously we see now
25:59
Speaker 3: it wasn't. It was never good.
26:01
Speaker 1: It was a lot. I mean, if we believe Cody Brown,
26:03
Speaker 1: he never loved these women. He was just what using
26:05
Speaker 1: these women as breeding vehicles sort of monetary vehicles, Like, yeah,
26:11
Speaker 1: it's really sad. There was another story that they were
26:13
Speaker 1: talking about when they were at the help house. I
26:17
Speaker 1: think it was with Nicole and she was asked by
26:21
Speaker 1: Maddie directly like, well, did you know any thirteen year
26:24
Speaker 1: old girls who were married to like forty year old
26:27
Speaker 1: guys and Nicole's like, yep, absolutely, And she said she
26:31
Speaker 1: grew up with five other girls, all of which suffered physical, emotional,
26:37
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse, one or all of those, and it
26:40
Speaker 1: was usually all of those. And then we've got these
26:41
Speaker 1: pictures of her as a little girl, and I'm just
26:44
Speaker 1: presuming that it happened to her as well. And I'm
26:47
Speaker 1: just like these fucking men and those adult women too,
26:50
Speaker 1: because at some point you become I know you're a
26:53
Speaker 1: cog in the wheel. I know you grew up in
26:55
Speaker 1: this shit. I know that you're brainwashed and part of
26:57
Speaker 1: the boorg, but at some point you become an enabler
26:59
Speaker 1: and an abuser, a cot abuser yourself.
27:02
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and you become complicit to all of it.
27:04
Speaker 3: And even like Christine when she's kind of talking about
27:08
Speaker 3: how she feels bad for these kids a little bit
27:10
Speaker 3: for what they went through, she's like, I think she
27:12
Speaker 3: says it to Tanya or Colleen or something, where she's like, yeah, like,
27:16
Speaker 3: growing up, we were told not to go to psychologists
27:19
Speaker 3: because they would blame polygamy. But then you're sitting there
27:22
Speaker 3: promoting how good polygamy is. So you're okay with this
27:27
Speaker 3: lifestyle and this culture that tells you not to go
27:30
Speaker 3: get help and not to go seek therapy or any
27:33
Speaker 3: kind of psychological care because they're gonna blame polygamy, which
27:36
Speaker 3: is like the obvious cause of all of your problems.
27:39
Speaker 1: Like it's so warm, it makes sense. We'll remember when
27:42
Speaker 1: michelthe fell off the horse in season I don't remember, Like,
27:45
Speaker 1: they don't take her to the er. They take her
27:48
Speaker 1: to some polygamist chiropractor because they're afraid of getting medical
27:51
Speaker 1: intervention because they're going to peep what they're doing and
27:55
Speaker 1: they might take some action. This is the scene when
27:58
Speaker 1: all the kids are in Vegas and they're having dinner
28:00
Speaker 1: and Christine is talking to Tanya, the director of this charity,
28:04
Speaker 1: and telling her why she doesn't trust her or why
28:07
Speaker 1: she didn't And it was because like with social workers,
28:09
Speaker 1: you know, I'm afraid you're going to want to take
28:12
Speaker 1: my children away from me. You're going to see how
28:14
Speaker 1: we live and you're going to want to take action
28:16
Speaker 1: against me. And I was just brought up in such
28:18
Speaker 1: a way like we never talked to people like you
28:20
Speaker 1: because you were a threat to our family structure. And
28:23
Speaker 1: Tanya's like you thought I was gonna come here and
28:25
Speaker 1: try to take your kids away, like absolutely not. Tanya
28:27
Speaker 1: also says, and it's interesting because she says that her
28:30
Speaker 1: charity actually helps people get out of the cult and
28:33
Speaker 1: get in yeah, or go back in.
28:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:36
Speaker 1: She did not elaborate, and then wondering what she's talking about.
28:40
Speaker 3: It's probably to like get like younger siblings or like
28:44
Speaker 3: you know, probably get other people out of it, or
28:47
Speaker 3: like try to go back because of safety. I don't know,
28:51
Speaker 3: it's probably something we.
28:52
Speaker 1: Kind of sounded like it was. Is this like a
28:54
Speaker 1: codification or like a reunification with your former family, like
28:58
Speaker 1: brokering that I mean, And I just don't imagine that
29:01
Speaker 1: she would want.
29:01
Speaker 3: To do that. I don't know.
29:03
Speaker 1: Tanya is an interesting person. It's clear that within the
29:06
Speaker 1: Mormon culty circles, they talk about her, they know about her,
29:10
Speaker 1: and they are trying.
29:10
Speaker 3: To avoid her, which is really crazy because she's just
29:13
Speaker 3: helping these people. Yeah. I actually really liked Tanya. I
29:16
Speaker 3: like how she was very like open and very kind
29:19
Speaker 3: to the Browns and she wasn't judging them in any
29:21
Speaker 3: particular way.
29:22
Speaker 1: She was concerned that the Browns would not believe that
29:24
Speaker 1: these kids suffered abuse, right, but the Browns believed them
29:28
Speaker 1: they did, like all the kids tell their story and
29:32
Speaker 1: the Browns believe them. Robin cries, of course, I mean, but.
29:36
Speaker 3: Then Robin immediately makes it about herself though, like that
29:39
Speaker 3: was wild, like being like someone who suffered abuse and
29:43
Speaker 3: came from an abusive marriage.
29:45
Speaker 2: I know, we have to believe them.
29:48
Speaker 3: I'm like, stop, wasn't that like, I don't know. She's
29:51
Speaker 3: saying that nobody believed her with the abuse class and.
29:54
Speaker 1: The implication is that people just treated her situation with
29:59
Speaker 1: her has been like business as usual, and she was
30:03
Speaker 1: being abused the entire time. And I think the point
30:06
Speaker 1: she was trying to make made sense, which is like
30:09
Speaker 1: we're being given this information, We're being told that this
30:12
Speaker 1: is happening in our various communities. It is incumbent upon
30:16
Speaker 1: us to believe them. She didn't need to do so
30:18
Speaker 1: in the context of her own self and her own story,
30:21
Speaker 1: but she doesn't know how to stop herself as it
30:24
Speaker 1: concerns that. No, but her point was salient.
30:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then she also says she wants to hear
30:29
Speaker 3: the kids say something positive about polygamy. Though also it's
30:32
Speaker 3: like you're going back to you are trying to convince
30:36
Speaker 3: these people ergo all of the audience and everybody else
30:40
Speaker 3: that no, polygamy is great. Mm hmm, there's nothing wrong
30:43
Speaker 3: about it. Will we do it like how we're doing
30:46
Speaker 3: it right? But then we find out later that it's
30:49
Speaker 3: been horrible, a.
30:50
Speaker 1: Bunch of bullshit, and you're all just lying in polygamy
30:53
Speaker 1: is bad. And even Joe Darger's version of polygamy seems
30:56
Speaker 1: fucking scary to me. Sorry, I'm still swearing. Seems scary
30:59
Speaker 1: to me to seems.
31:00
Speaker 3: Scary because he's the authoritarian. So it's like it's say patriarchy,
31:04
Speaker 3: I mean all about control.
31:05
Speaker 1: We don't get political, but it's like it's just a
31:08
Speaker 1: man's world over there.
31:09
Speaker 3: Yep, one hundred percent. And then like after they went
31:14
Speaker 3: to Mount Charleston, they had the camping trip that was
31:16
Speaker 3: where Colleen talked to Cody about stuff, and then they
31:19
Speaker 3: have dinner. Then they kind of all separate, so like
31:21
Speaker 3: the kids what so.
31:23
Speaker 1: At Mount Charleston though, I know, But at Mount Charleston, though,
31:28
Speaker 1: Cody's trying to convince Colleen that his priority is his
31:32
Speaker 1: children and him being a family man and him being
31:35
Speaker 1: present for each and every one of his children, contrasting
31:39
Speaker 1: himself with these motherfuckers that are in these various cults
31:41
Speaker 1: who don't give a shit about these kids and in
31:43
Speaker 1: fact abuse them. But it's just rich to me that like,
31:47
Speaker 1: in just a few years time, you're not calling your
31:49
Speaker 1: children on their birthdays. You're calling them narcissis and stupid,
31:54
Speaker 1: stupid and assholes, all sorts of things, Like you're just
31:57
Speaker 1: an absolute toxic father. Yep, And so wow have you changed?
32:02
Speaker 1: And this just further makes me believe that this is
32:05
Speaker 1: a performance. Maybe he believes himself to be this at
32:08
Speaker 1: this time because these wives are still blowing smoke up
32:12
Speaker 1: his ass. But like, was there ever a time when
32:15
Speaker 1: he was a great father.
32:17
Speaker 3: I don't know when they were in the Lehigh House,
32:19
Speaker 3: maybe because he probably was more prison and I mean
32:22
Speaker 3: there's all those videos that show like Cody trying to
32:24
Speaker 3: be a good dat. It's just when Robin came to
32:26
Speaker 3: the picture and then the family separated, that's when he
32:28
Speaker 3: couldn't manage it because he's a weak ass.
32:32
Speaker 2: Hope.
32:32
Speaker 1: Well, and it wasn't a priority anymore. Yeah, So as
32:35
Speaker 1: soon as Robin comes into the family, this great priority
32:38
Speaker 1: that he has to be, this family man and there
32:39
Speaker 1: for his kids, it goes out the window and he
32:41
Speaker 1: doesn't really see his kids, because we see in a
32:43
Speaker 1: preview Christine talking about how my own kids are saying
32:46
Speaker 1: they never see you, Cody. So it's already happening twenty twelve.
32:50
Speaker 2: Now.
32:50
Speaker 1: Another thing that happened over on Mount Charleston is, for
32:53
Speaker 1: some reason unknown to me, is Maddie and Aspen come
32:56
Speaker 1: out in these Warren Jeff's FLDS dress it. I don't
33:01
Speaker 1: know why, because Suzanne's mother made them, sewn them, sowed them,
33:06
Speaker 1: and it was also super dumb and very performative. And
33:12
Speaker 1: Janelle says on the couch like that these dresses are
33:14
Speaker 1: a symbol of their lack of agency and this is
33:18
Speaker 1: a symbol of oppression.
33:20
Speaker 3: Yep, and she cries ugly, They're horrible.
33:24
Speaker 1: Why do they Why do you think can we ask
33:26
Speaker 1: ourselves like, if you want to prop up the women
33:29
Speaker 1: in your cult to be your sexual playthings and be
33:33
Speaker 1: there for your every desire and to keep sweet at
33:36
Speaker 1: all this, like why do we have them dress in
33:38
Speaker 1: the most matronly unattractive way possible?
33:43
Speaker 3: Mm?
33:44
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's so judgmental, I apologize.
33:46
Speaker 3: No, And I just thought it was fucking weird that
33:49
Speaker 3: they even dressed in these dresses because this is from
33:52
Speaker 3: a cult that's fucking abusive and it was run by
33:56
Speaker 3: a pedophile and it was really fucking awful and horrible, Like,
34:00
Speaker 3: so why are we dressing around in this and like
34:03
Speaker 3: making around in it?
34:05
Speaker 1: Made no sense to me, it was daughter except for
34:08
Speaker 1: like the shock value of it, I guess, and like
34:11
Speaker 1: Suzanne kind of telling her story, but I'm just like,
34:13
Speaker 1: is that triggering for her?
34:15
Speaker 3: Like are we talking about that? Like? I don't know.
34:16
Speaker 1: I feel like it would be triggering for all of
34:18
Speaker 1: those kids who escaped the cult, and also disturbing for
34:21
Speaker 1: the parents who understand what's happening in these cults and
34:25
Speaker 1: children in these clothes. I don't get it.
34:28
Speaker 3: I don't know, very fucking performing whatever. But then like
34:31
Speaker 3: after Mount Charleston and the Dinners and everything, then we
34:34
Speaker 3: have the kids going to get frozen yogurt and then
34:36
Speaker 3: the adults kind of talking to themselves and the kids
34:40
Speaker 3: getting frozen yogurt. Why don't they always go to frozen yogurt?
34:42
Speaker 3: I don't know, they have this a lot, but whatever,
34:45
Speaker 3: the brown kids are still like trying to talk to
34:49
Speaker 3: the traumatized ex polygamous cult kids like yeah, No, polygamy
34:53
Speaker 3: is great. Don't you want to live it? Wouldn't you
34:55
Speaker 3: want to live it? And of course all of these
34:57
Speaker 3: ex cultists are like, no, never.
35:00
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, but they do say, but if somebody is
35:04
Speaker 1: going to be polygamist or in a polygamist family, like
35:08
Speaker 1: they should do it like you, like you guys are
35:09
Speaker 1: doing polygamy right, Like it just seemed like the bow
35:12
Speaker 1: on top of the fucking present or the cherry on
35:16
Speaker 1: top of the Sunday, like the thing that they had
35:17
Speaker 1: to say to conclude the episode. I don't think any
35:20
Speaker 1: of those kids actually believe that there's any good light
35:24
Speaker 1: for polygamy, not any good way to interpret polygamy.
35:27
Speaker 2: No.
35:27
Speaker 3: I think the TLC producers were like, can you just
35:29
Speaker 3: say this for TV? Please? Thank you, we appreciate it.
35:33
Speaker 3: And Christine talking to Tanya about things about how she
35:36
Speaker 3: didn't trust her, but now she's like, oh, I see
35:39
Speaker 3: what you're doing is good. And then this is where
35:40
Speaker 3: Christine's on the fucking couch, fake crying.
35:43
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't know best, Yes you did, yes,
35:48
Speaker 1: yes you did your.
35:49
Speaker 3: Own husband's pastor right, and what are you talking about?
35:52
Speaker 1: In order for these types of things, these types of people,
35:55
Speaker 1: these types of structures, these types of movements, to continue
35:59
Speaker 1: and persist, it requires the silence and the complicit agreement
36:05
Speaker 1: of people like Christine who put on their blinders. And
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Speaker 1: I do think Robin kind of called it out. Thank you, Robin.
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Speaker 1: She kind of called it out, like, no, these people
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Speaker 1: are telling us what's happening, and like we need to
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Speaker 1: listen to them. And here's Christine, like I had no
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Speaker 1: way do I don't believe you like what you are
36:17
Speaker 1: complicit and if you refuse to look at it, if
36:21
Speaker 1: you refuse to listen and on board this information and
36:24
Speaker 1: then make some kind of a change or do something
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Speaker 1: about it in your culture, like shut up, I know,
36:29
Speaker 1: just pretending everything. This is all the Browns do it.
36:32
Speaker 1: Just pretend everything is so great. Look how fantastic our
36:35
Speaker 1: family is.
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Speaker 3: And I never was.
36:38
Speaker 1: It never was good, from the time of Mary and
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Speaker 1: Janelle trying to share a kitchen with Mary being an
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Speaker 1: abusive bully, it was never.
36:45
Speaker 3: Good, never And sts was wild to me that she
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Speaker 3: even cries like that. It was so fucking vake. And
36:52
Speaker 3: then of course at the end we have to conclude
36:54
Speaker 3: with Nicole and Coline saying the obligatory statement that no,
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Speaker 3: we think Cody's a good dad and I think polygamy
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Speaker 3: very well. Yeah, but they don't believe that.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 3: I would love to hear what they think now when
37:05
Speaker 3: they see the family has broken up and everything. That
37:08
Speaker 3: would be so great if we could hear a statement
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Speaker 3: from them before you.
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Speaker 1: Get into the preview. May I make like a correction,
37:14
Speaker 1: a subtle correction to something I said when I went
37:17
Speaker 1: up to Colleen's Instagram and I said she was a
37:19
Speaker 1: stripper of former stripper, like, there's nothing wrong with that. No,
37:22
Speaker 1: I don't want to present that as if there's anything
37:25
Speaker 1: wrong with that, because she's beautiful, by the way, gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: She's still gorgeous. She was wearing a lot of makeup,
37:32
Speaker 1: she had a funky hair style, but she's gorgeous. She's
37:34
Speaker 1: doing her thing out here. She's exploring her spirituality in
37:37
Speaker 1: a way that is authentic to her wish I think
37:40
Speaker 1: is great. You do you Yeah, fully support that? Just
37:43
Speaker 1: want to say that, sure.
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Speaker 3: And if I implied anything bad about stripping, I don't
37:48
Speaker 3: mean to. It's more like, you know, sometimes it cannot
37:52
Speaker 3: be the best thing for people who like, yeah, like
37:56
Speaker 3: people who've escaped abuse and trauma and stuff like it
38:00
Speaker 3: kind of is sometimes like the route that they go
38:02
Speaker 3: and then it can be really toxic for them. So
38:05
Speaker 3: hopefully she's like better and yeah, living life.
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Speaker 1: I hope she's doing well.
38:09
Speaker 3: Do whatever you want to do, girl, And then into
38:11
Speaker 3: the preview, we have the wives and Cody going over
38:15
Speaker 3: the options for their houses with Mona. Oh my god,
38:20
Speaker 3: Mary fucking Brown is already over budget on.
38:24
Speaker 1: The first page of her options. Apparently there are multiple pages.
38:26
Speaker 1: Again I've never seen this, so yeah, first page of
38:29
Speaker 1: her options, she's already over budget and she's complaining about it.
38:33
Speaker 1: So remember I was asking you, Beatrice, like is she
38:37
Speaker 1: adding all these things onto her house and does that
38:40
Speaker 1: take away from the family pot? Probably? Or is it
38:43
Speaker 1: just her money? So I think we'll learn more next week.
38:46
Speaker 3: I hope so. Because she's bitching about French doors and
38:49
Speaker 3: how she can't have a sliding door, I'm like, sorry, Mary,
38:52
Speaker 3: who the fuck are you?
38:53
Speaker 2: Uh?
38:54
Speaker 3: And then Christine tells Cody that she thinks or that
38:57
Speaker 3: the kids are saying that you're not around a lot
39:00
Speaker 3: and we feel like we're failing as a family, and
39:02
Speaker 3: Cody looks all saad.
39:03
Speaker 1: Kind of he looks chagrined that she called it out
39:06
Speaker 1: on camera. Yeah, that's what that looks like to me.
39:08
Speaker 3: I love it. And then Cody and Mary go back
39:11
Speaker 3: to Utah and Cody is crying about his kids.
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Speaker 1: I guess he's digging in the ground and talking about
39:17
Speaker 1: where he came from. And I'm just like, here we go,
39:19
Speaker 1: another performance.
39:20
Speaker 3: All way, this family is pretty good at performing there. Yeah,
39:25
Speaker 3: they do it a lot.
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Speaker 1: They're experts at it, all of them do.
39:28
Speaker 3: So.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:28
Speaker 3: Kind of an interesting episode. I kind of liked that
39:30
Speaker 3: they brought in some ex polygamist yeah fundies. That was
39:33
Speaker 3: very interesting.
39:34
Speaker 1: It kind of seems like a theme for this season
39:37
Speaker 1: along with the cul de sacs, like they really want
39:38
Speaker 1: to get Joe Dharger on there. We really want to
39:41
Speaker 1: have these various conversations about compare and contrast toxic polygamy
39:45
Speaker 1: with pure holy polygamy, which I'm game four. Yeah, but
39:49
Speaker 1: I don't believe any of it, So I just want
39:52
Speaker 1: that on record, thank you very much.
39:54
Speaker 3: Yep. And I'm kind of tired of it already, Like
39:56
Speaker 3: Cody just trying to protect his image as like the
40:00
Speaker 3: really good polyganous men. Look at me. I treat all
40:04
Speaker 3: my women fairly but not really.
40:06
Speaker 1: I am not tired of the cul de sac coins,
40:08
Speaker 1: so dash it coming.
40:10
Speaker 2: I love that I can't have it.
40:12
Speaker 3: Wait for next week's episode. Girl.
40:16
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40:18
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40:30
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40:33
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