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Michael Possert Jr. and some Time-traveling Adventures · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Just where is our future?
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  Speaker 2: The things we've done and said Let's just push the
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  Speaker 2: button We'd be better off dead Cause I hate you
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  Speaker 2: And I.
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  Speaker 3: Berate you And I can't wait to.
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  Speaker 4: Get to you Hey, this is Kirk R. Thatcher, the
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  Speaker 4: punk on the bus in Star Trek IV. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: I hate you. Secondly, you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: And I eschew.
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  Speaker 5: You And I.
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  Speaker 6: This episode is rated M for Misty. Yes, that's right,
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  Speaker 6: this is a Misty episode, so it will be laced
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  Speaker 6: with profanity even more than usual. If you're not comfortable
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  Speaker 6: with this level of profanity, perhaps this isn't the episode
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  Speaker 6: for you. But we have many other episodes to choose
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  Speaker 6: from that do not feature Misty and will probably be
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  Speaker 6: far less offensive. Okay, maybe. With that having been said,
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  Speaker 6: on with the show.
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  Speaker 7: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 6: Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million.
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  Speaker 7: Kilowatts of power. Provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 6: To your stations, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you have to go and get everyone involved
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  Speaker 5: in all your weird stuff? What's up and welcome to
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  Speaker 5: Movie Meltdown. I am Brian.
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  Speaker 8: I am Misty.
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  Speaker 5: And we are coming to you live via digital recording
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  Speaker 5: from right here in the middle of Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 8: Actually, it's downstairs. Actually, I guess that's because we're in
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  Speaker 8: the middle of two different rooms that could possibly be
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  Speaker 8: Canadian Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 5: We're right in the middle of Wonderfest right now. There's
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  Speaker 5: people talking over there. They're showing movies and slides and
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  Speaker 5: doing special presentations. There's awesome people downstairs and models of
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  Speaker 5: all sorts.
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  Speaker 6: And toys.
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  Speaker 8: I like toys.
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  Speaker 5: There are a lot of toys.
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  Speaker 8: We didn't buy any toys.
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  Speaker 5: I've contained myself. That's one of the, you know, for
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  Speaker 5: doing our cool things going on in the world. That's
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  Speaker 5: one of the things I'm in the middle of right now.
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  Speaker 5: It will eventually kind of affect you guys listening, but
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  Speaker 5: not really. I'm trying to, as you've probably heard me
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  Speaker 5: complain for years now, been in between good places to record,
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  Speaker 5: which is one of the many reasons we end up
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  Speaker 5: at other people's places. The on location is never going
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  Speaker 5: to stop. We always do that. So I'm working on
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  Speaker 5: having the actual Oddity Studios home base in the near future.
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  Speaker 5: We'll still probably go to other places, but it'll be
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  Speaker 5: nice to actually have a place to record. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: in the middle of shifting things and I've already got
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  Speaker 5: the table set up where all the mics will soon go.
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  Speaker 5: And so suddenly in the near future, the Oddity Studios
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  Speaker 5: will have a for real home.
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  Speaker 8: Crazy talk.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a long time since it's had a somewhat
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  Speaker 5: permanent home. So it'll be kind of nice to have
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  Speaker 5: a home base to potentially or at least have an
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  Speaker 5: option to work out of because it's been a long time.
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  Speaker 8: A place to put all your own crap.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be nice. That's why we do so
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  Speaker 5: many sitting in your kitchen.
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  Speaker 8: That's my crap.
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  Speaker 5: So I can have my own crap. It's not even
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  Speaker 5: actually in the middle. It's in the near area of
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  Speaker 5: the kitchen, but it's within sight of a kitchen. We're
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  Speaker 5: not even going to be in the kitchen. It's so official.
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  Speaker 5: It's got its own recording area set up.
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  Speaker 8: Are you prejudiced against recording in the kitchen now?
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  Speaker 5: No, no. I'll take wherever I can set up a microphone.
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  Speaker 5: I could care less.
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  Speaker 8: Are you saying our kitchen's not good enough for you?
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  Speaker 5: Please. You have the machine right there on the table.
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  Speaker 6: I do.
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  Speaker 5: We've discussed it many times. The little devil machine. The
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  Speaker 5: mystic's ear. It sits right on your kitchen table. So
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  Speaker 5: to me, that's like the ultimate place to record because
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  Speaker 5: I have the little mystic's ear head bobbing at me
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  Speaker 5: the whole time we're talking.
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  Speaker 8: It can get distracting though.
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  Speaker 5: It kind of can. That's usually why Jay's kind of
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  Speaker 5: zoned out. He's just staring at the head bobbing up
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  Speaker 5: and down.
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  Speaker 8: It is hypnotizing.
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  Speaker 5: It kind of is.
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  Speaker 4: So, how's it going?
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  Speaker 5: It's going. It's actually been a long time. Sort of
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  Speaker 5: a long time since I've seen you.
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  Speaker 8: I went on vacation.
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  Speaker 5: You went on a long, long trip. So, do you
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  Speaker 5: have cool stories from your crazy trip?
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  Speaker 8: I went to a couple of cool places. I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 8: it was just a big epic road trip of like
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  Speaker 8: many mountains.
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  Speaker 5: Is that tiny mountains? mini mountains just little ones.
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  Speaker 8: No big ones but multiples multiples large mountains yes what
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  Speaker 8: you just said um i guess i can tell it
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  Speaker 8: with some of the uh high points of my vacation
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  Speaker 8: which was like it was pretty epic it was like
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  Speaker 8: a week and a half long it wasn't the full
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  Speaker 8: two weeks we came back a couple days early.
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  Speaker 5: I mean i did post on one of your photos
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  Speaker 5: i are are you coming back i didn't think you
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  Speaker 5: were ever going to come back like i just kept
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  Speaker 5: more and more days would roll by and new photos
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  Speaker 5: from some other state and i'm just like I don't
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  Speaker 5: get to go on cool trips. You suck.
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  Speaker 8: Because you're not awesome like we are.
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  Speaker 5: I guess.
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  Speaker 8: So we started off, we went to the Mothman Museum
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  Speaker 8: in West Virginia.
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  Speaker 5: Being home of the cryptids that we are, I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: we welcome many, many cryptids.
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  Speaker 8: And that was pretty exciting. It was a small little
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  Speaker 8: museum that pretty much covers all the basics of the
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  Speaker 8: Mothman history and mythos.
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  Speaker 5: Was Richard Gere there?
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  Speaker 8: He was not, but there were several articles of clothing
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  Speaker 8: that he might have touched at some point.
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  Speaker 7: Aww.
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  Speaker 8: They did have a large section of memorabilia from the movie.
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  Speaker 5: The movie's not bad. I feel like it's one of
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  Speaker 5: those people slowly discovered. They wrote it off because it's
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: either they think it's a silly premise or it's a
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  Speaker 5: Richard Gere movie and a lot of people kind of
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  Speaker 5: avoided those for years.
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  Speaker 8: And there's no gerbils in it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not even going down that road. But yeah, eventually
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  Speaker 5: I think people watched it on cable or DVD or
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  Speaker 5: whatever and were just like, huh, you know, this isn't
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  Speaker 5: a bad movie, so.
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  Speaker 8: I know I've seen it, but I think it's been
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  Speaker 8: a while, so I'll probably need to go back and
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  Speaker 8: revisit the film.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's worth revisiting. What little I remember. I'm
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  Speaker 5: putting it back on the list myself.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I love the idea of the whole cryptid
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  Speaker 8: thing in general, so any chance I can get to
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  Speaker 8: go visit areas that supposedly have their own cryptids, except
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  Speaker 8: for the one in my own hometown that I'm just like, whatever.
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  Speaker 5: You don't go to the train bridge?
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  Speaker 8: I've never been there. I've never been to the train bridge.
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  Speaker 5: If not, get a hold of me, guys. I can
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  Speaker 5: clue you into the train bridge legend and the goat man,
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  Speaker 5: as it were.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: We didn't see any extra cryptid. We did not see
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  Speaker 8: the actual, in real life, Mothman. They did have several statues.
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  Speaker 5: They were very large. Or that one looked like it was.
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  Speaker 8: The metal one? There's a huge metal one outside that
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  Speaker 8: is just pretty epic.
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  Speaker 5: I've seen pictures of that on the internets, but that
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  Speaker 5: was then, like, you sent it. And I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: it is a real thing. Because you're there. You took
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  Speaker 5: a picture of it.
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  Speaker 8: And then they added several on the inside. It was
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  Speaker 8: a cute little town. Point Pleasant, West Virginia, I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 5: Was it empty because Mothman had snatched up and eaten
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  Speaker 5: all the people there?
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 8: There were actually quite a few people in there. It's
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  Speaker 8: a really cute little town.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting.
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  Speaker 8: Like I said, it has the whole... I already forgot
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  Speaker 8: most of the history because we did a lot on
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  Speaker 8: our vacation.
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  Speaker 5: Learning stuff.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it was just like there was some promoted
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  Speaker 8: sightings of this mysterious Mothman like on several occasions and
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  Speaker 8: then the bridge collapsed. Just like boom. And then there
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  Speaker 8: were several more sightings and like a.
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  Speaker 8: Kind of plant like not like a plant like a
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  Speaker 8: growing a tree but like an industrial.
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  Speaker 5: Plant industrial plant collapsed.
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  Speaker 8: Like a warehouse caught on fire exploded or something so
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  Speaker 8: it's like whatever they you know.
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  Speaker 5: This mothman's up to all kinds of no good he's just.
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  Speaker 8: Trying to warn people like hey y'all you best watch
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  Speaker 8: your shit something's gonna happen y'all better be careful oh
• 7:58
  Speaker 8: wait you didn't listen to me look you died.
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  Speaker 5: I always listen to the mothman you don't argue.
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  Speaker 8: With that shit um I went to a couple other
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  Speaker 8: really cool places. We hit like every mystery hole and
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  Speaker 8: mystery spot and mystery.
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  Speaker 5: That's mostly why I was jealous is the fact that
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  Speaker 5: you went to ridiculous side of the road stuff that
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  Speaker 5: I would want to go to. Like most people go
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  Speaker 5: to like normal nonsense.
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  Speaker 8: I'm a complete sucker for Mystery Hill. That's when I'm
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  Speaker 8: going to hit Mystery Hill and we hit Mystery Hole.
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  Speaker 5: Was there a mystery hack?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Hand or shack?
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  Speaker 8: That would have been awesome. But yeah, I love that stuff.
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  Speaker 8: I sucker for it every time. I was kind of
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  Speaker 8: disappointed one of them you couldn't take pictures in. The
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  Speaker 8: other one was just like, here, do whatever you want.
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  Speaker 8: Take the main pictures if you want. He left us there.
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  Speaker 8: It was just me and Jay. We're the only ones
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  Speaker 8: at the Mystery Hill at that point. We got there
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  Speaker 8: like a half an hour before it closed.
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  Speaker 5: What was going on in this Mystery Hill?
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  Speaker 8: It's just one of those things where they take you
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  Speaker 8: to the Hall of Blacklight posters and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 8: Water fountain or the little water thing that like.
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  Speaker 5: It runs uphill or some magic.
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  Speaker 8: No, it's like the thing where it's like you have
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  Speaker 8: like the water spout and it just looks like it's
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  Speaker 8: coming out and it's just really there's a pipe that
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  Speaker 8: comes up and.
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  Speaker 5: Everything's just an Escher poster brought to life.
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  Speaker 8: Pretty much. And they have like the slanty floor. The
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  Speaker 8: Mystery Hill was pretty cool because it had the metal
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  Speaker 8: swing you could sit in, which is pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 5: That's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 8: The highlight for me was when we went to the
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  Speaker 8: Dinosaur Kingdom 2.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God. You showed me pictures earlier, and I'm still
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  Speaker 5: trying to process them?
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  Speaker 8: This is the most epic thing. They themselves had their
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  Speaker 8: own wonky room of the slanty floor, so they're trying
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  Speaker 8: to get on the.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to miss that wonky room with the
• 9:36
  Speaker 5: slanty floor market. Exactly. There's people just driving around looking
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: for those.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, me.
• 9:42
  Speaker 5: You and me, but I don't get to go anywhere.
• 9:45
  Speaker 8: You can go to Big Mike's Mystery House.
• 9:47
  Speaker 5: I've been to that one. And now I need to
• 9:49
  Speaker 5: go back and get another shirt because that shirt doesn't fit.
• 9:51
  Speaker 5: So I need a new t-shirt for mysteries. Mike and
• 9:54
  Speaker 5: what was the giant? Was he Mike? who was the
• 9:56
  Speaker 5: giant creature mo there we go.
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  Speaker 8: Big mo you not know these things.
• 10:01
  Speaker 5: It's because my shirt doesn't fit so i never wear.
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  Speaker 8: It anyways we went to uh dinosaur kingdom 2 Which
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  Speaker 8: is apparently, it is epic in all of its awesomeness.
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  Speaker 6: It's something.
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  Speaker 8: He's an artist, Mark Klein. Apparently he got hired on
• 10:18
  Speaker 8: by someplace to make these dinosaurs for a park. So
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  Speaker 8: he decided on his own to have his own theme.
• 10:26
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't say theme park. It's not like rides or anything.
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  Speaker 8: You just walk through and they have all these statues.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a themed park.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, literally. And the theme is, what if dinosaurs had
• 10:36
  Speaker 8: helped fight the Civil War?
• 10:38
  Speaker 5: You know, we've all thought that in the past. We've
• 10:42
  Speaker 5: all just sit around half of the day thinking about, huh,
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  Speaker 5: Civil War. Yeah, I don't like it. But what if
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  Speaker 5: dinosaurs were there?
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  Speaker 8: Because the dinosaurs were the secret weapon that helped the South.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't read the comic. I bought the comic book.
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  Speaker 8: There is a comic book that tells.
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  Speaker 5: The entire story. Oh, of course there's a comic book.
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  Speaker 5: There should be.
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  Speaker 8: Which is epic in its own right. Which I bought
• 11:01
  Speaker 8: the comic book. I bought a shirt. I was just like, here,
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  Speaker 8: take my money. All the things.
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  Speaker 5: I really hope there's like a bad B movie in
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  Speaker 5: the making right now. Like, I can only hope. I
• 11:13
  Speaker 5: want stop motion animation dinosaurs, but I know it's going
• 11:16
  Speaker 5: to be CG dinosaurs.
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  Speaker 8: It's going to be on the sci-fi channel.
• 11:19
  Speaker 5: It's going to be sci-fi level of entertainment. But I still,
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  Speaker 5: I just kind of hope somebody does something with this idea.
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  Speaker 8: But it is literally the most awesome thing. I mean...
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  Speaker 8: You just keep going and there's just, like I said, dinosaurs.
• 11:35
  Speaker 5: You know, dinosaurs. Civil War. Civil War guys.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm not even being sarcastic. I literally love this place.
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  Speaker 8: And me and Jay were the first ones in there
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  Speaker 8: the day. So me and Jay had this whole place
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  Speaker 8: to ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, God. We were running up and down the halls.
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  Speaker 8: This is outside.
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  Speaker 5: I know, but the hills were alive with the sound
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  Speaker 5: of dinosaurs and you were just running, spinning in circles, singing.
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  Speaker 8: What's the dinosaurs? Because they did have sound effects being
• 12:03
  Speaker 8: piped through there. Most of it sounded like cats fighting.
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  Speaker 5: Did you at least make your own sound effects?
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  Speaker 9: Well, duh.
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  Speaker 5: The whole time.
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  Speaker 8: Literally, this place was amazing. They have little scenes set up.
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  Speaker 8: It's in a woods area. Little things set up. They
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  Speaker 8: had like A pterodactyl stealing the Gettysburg Address from Abraham Lincoln.
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  Speaker 8: And he's trying to get it back. And it's just, oh,
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  Speaker 8: it's the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that is a pretty epic image right there.
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  Speaker 5: You guys are picturing it all right now, I hope.
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  Speaker 8: If not, it's all in the comics.
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  Speaker 5: I would assume she's making this up, but she showed
• 12:41
  Speaker 5: me the pictures, so. I was there. If we need
• 12:43
  Speaker 5: to forward pictures on, once again, send me an email.
• 12:45
  Speaker 8: I posted them on the Facebook, so they do exist.
• 12:47
  Speaker 5: Get a hold of me. I'll forward them to you
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  Speaker 5: if you didn't see them.
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  Speaker 8: And also interspersed in with the dinosaurs and Civil War things,
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  Speaker 8: there's these little green monsters.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I never did figure out what that was. I mean,
• 12:58
  Speaker 5: not that the other idea is not kind of ridiculous,
• 13:00
  Speaker 5: but like that one stands out as like, wait, what?
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  Speaker 5: This doesn't even match your theme.
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  Speaker 8: Well, apparently he had also had a really awesome, another
• 13:07
  Speaker 8: themed park, like close in proximity that was all like
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  Speaker 8: horror movie monsters. It was an entire museum set up
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  Speaker 8: of like all these monsters that he had made.
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: That would be cool. But these monsters weren't like recognizable
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: movie monsters. It's just a weird little green thing.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. They were everywhere. I loved it.
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  Speaker 5: It looks like the kind of monster that I draw
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  Speaker 5: on the side of a piece of paper or something,
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  Speaker 5: which I do draw a lot of monsters.
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  Speaker 8: Maybe if I actually read the comic book fully, it
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  Speaker 8: will explain. Maybe I can get the true backstory of
• 13:38
  Speaker 8: the little green monsters. But seriously, if anybody out there
• 13:40
  Speaker 8: has a chance to go to this place, it is in,
• 13:43
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure if it's actually in, but it's really
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  Speaker 8: close to Natural Bridge, Virginia. And it is amazing. Dinosaur
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  Speaker 8: Kingdom 2.
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  Speaker 9: Mark Klein.
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  Speaker 8: Off he wasn't actually there when we were there because
• 13:57
  Speaker 8: we were told to say hi to him by somebody
• 13:59
  Speaker 8: who even though we already knew we were going to
• 14:01
  Speaker 8: go there somebody else recommended it to us so i'm
• 14:03
  Speaker 8: like well it just doubles like double solidifies the fact
• 14:06
  Speaker 8: that we're going to go there but randy had suggested.
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  Speaker 5: We go there oh no previous call-in guest randy many many.
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  Speaker 8: Years ago but anyway so we uh we checked that
• 14:15
  Speaker 8: out like i said it was like literally mind-blowing.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's it's the most specialist of concepts i.
• 14:24
  Speaker 8: Dinosaurs civil war civil war coming at you yeah smashed
• 14:29
  Speaker 8: together but yeah he apparently had the monster museum but
• 14:32
  Speaker 8: apparently that meant to tragic ends as it was set
• 14:35
  Speaker 8: on fire by vincent price from what i've gathered it
• 14:41
  Speaker 8: might have been the christians.
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: I'm not really sure they're even worse.
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah but uh It was some religious group that was
• 14:48
  Speaker 8: not okay with the concept of.
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: What he was working.
• 14:50
  Speaker 10: That's not cool, man.
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: Leave this stuff alone.
• 14:52
  Speaker 8: Burn down part of his warehouse. I guess not his warehouse,
• 14:54
  Speaker 8: his workshop.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: That's not cool. Leave artists alone.
• 14:58
  Speaker 8: I don't know who really did it. This was just
• 14:59
  Speaker 8: like the rumblings I heard.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's in the comic book.
• 15:04
  Speaker 8: Maybe it's in the comic book. Maybe it's a dress.
• 15:06
  Speaker 8: Maybe there's a footnote.
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: Probably.
• 15:08
  Speaker 8: And if I'd bought the Monster Museum comic book, I
• 15:12
  Speaker 8: would get more story on that one.
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: Next time.
• 15:17
  Speaker 8: But yeah, basic stuff like that. We went to Charleston,
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: South Carolina. We were all over the damn place. Like
• 15:23
  Speaker 8: I said, we went down, we hit the Blue Ridge Parkway,
• 15:25
  Speaker 8: South Carolina, over to Charleston, then back up the coast
• 15:28
  Speaker 8: until we.
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: Got to Maryland.
• 15:31
  Speaker 8: And then we cut back across. We hit a couple
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: of penitentiaries, which is a thing that I'm talking about,
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: like old penitentiaries. Like we hit the Eastern State Penitentiary
• 15:41
  Speaker 8: in Philadelphia. Pretty sure that's correct.
• 15:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: We went so many places, dude, I could be totally
• 15:47
  Speaker 8: getting all this shit wrong.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 15:48
  Speaker 11: You were gone a long time, so I couldn't keep up.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know how you did.
• 15:52
  Speaker 8: I love old penitentiaries, old hospitals, any old buildings that
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: have fantastic architecture and just have general spookiness, and you're
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: pretty sure a lot of people died in there.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, probably in that one. Oh, yeah.
• 16:06
  Speaker 8: Apparently Al Capone was imprisoned there for quite some time.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Had a very fancy room. Oh, yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: It was delightfully... I was a very... As far as.
• 16:16
  Speaker 8: Prison cells go, it was quite fancy. It was very
• 16:19
  Speaker 8: opulent for a prison cell.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll give you that. I saw the picture.
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: Pep the dog was present there, which I mentioned to
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: you briefly while we were getting pizza at that point.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: I think so, yeah. You were showing photos of Pep
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: the dog's mugshot.
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was a dog. From what I gathered, he
• 16:36
  Speaker 8: was the warden's dog who apparently attacked and killed the
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: warden's wife's cat. So he was imprisoned.
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: He got a mugshot.
• 16:46
  Speaker 8: He had a mugshot. He was locked up in the jail.
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: I don't know if he got a fair trial. I
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: don't know what the standard procedure for that is.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: That's true. I don't know what the rules are for
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: dogs when they go to prison. I have no idea.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: Was there a jury of his dog peers that got
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: to decide? Like, nah, screw that cat. They were like,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: let him go.
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: Well, that's obviously not how it went. Maybe it was
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: a jury of cats.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Those are not my peers.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Those are not my peers.
• 17:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that place was amazing. Is it a mooter or
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: a muter?
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: I thought it was Mütter, but I really don't remember.
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: I've always called it the Mütter Museum, but then somebody
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: else I heard recently referred to it as the Mütter Museum.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: I've never heard that, but again, I haven't been there.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: But I've heard about this for many, many years.
• 17:29
  Speaker 8: I've always seen pictures, and I've always seen it on TV.
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: Right before we were in one of the hotels, possibly
• 17:35
  Speaker 8: still in West Virginia, one of those mysteries at the museum...
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: shows was on or whatever and that was one of
• 17:42
  Speaker 8: their things was something at the Muter Museum which actually
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: I did not see the actual item that they were
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: discussing on mysteries at the museum.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: It's a trap I know right they suckered you right
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: into coming which was.
• 17:53
  Speaker 8: Interesting and all but any place that I'm not allowed
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: to take pictures I'm very disappointed with because if I
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: pay you a lot of money to get into your
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: place I should be able to take pictures of it
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: unless you're going to let me in for free then
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: I understand not taking pictures but if you're going to
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: charge me to come in I want to.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Take pictures Yeah, that's what I said at Graceland. And
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: then they confiscated my camera.
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: Because that's because you're not allowed to have video.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: They don't know if I was shooting video. Technically, I wasn't.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, I've gone in there with my camera on
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: several occasions. And, like, as long as it's just a
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: camera camera, now they can't even get everybody to get their...
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: Everybody has a damn phone.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: There was a guy downstairs. Did you see the guy
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: downstairs with his flip phone taking pictures?
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: I'm like... I mean, not everybody can be as cool
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: as you.
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: Rolled my eyes so hard I think I hurt myself.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: You might have but yeah I don't know I just
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: thought that was funny I remember the Memphis Mafia compass
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: getting my camera at the time because it had video
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: capabilities and.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: That camera was huge by the way that thing was
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: massive it would even do like real videos it would
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: do like 15 second video clips.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: It was digital it was digital before everyone else was
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: digital it was digital before everyone like had digital on
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: their own phone They probably had flip phones at that point.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know. We might have had those big, like,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: block Nokias at that point. But it was a long
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: time ago, just in case you're wondering. But, yeah, I
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: just thought that was funny. That's the one place I
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: remember I couldn't take pictures because they.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: Took my camera.
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: What year was that?
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Was that 2001? That was a long damn time ago.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: 2000?
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Something like that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: I remember 2001.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: That was a long time ago.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: But, uh.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Penitentiary.
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: Eastern State Penitentiary, which we hit, which was amazing. I
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: literally could have spent the entire day in there. We
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: were trying to do that and the Mütter, and they
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: both closed at 5. So, yeah, we had to try. Like, alright, shit,
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: it's 3 o'clock, we gotta get to the next place,
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: which was raining, and.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: It was uh i mean you did find your best
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: friend your potential best friend if you.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: Would have been in prison that was the other prison
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: it was a.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Different prison how many prisons did you go to.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: Two yikes uh so yeah after we did that we
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: basically visited friends in maryland we went to the spy
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: museum in dc.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Which did have a giant 007 section.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: It did.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: It had its head.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: For our movie, Dorky Tie-Ins.
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it did have a very large section. It had
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: some of the memorabilia from the movies, posters.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Did you touch a thunderball? No, I did not.
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: Oh, damn it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: I think there was a golden gun, though.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: There was a golden gun.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I do remember you posting a golden gun.
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: I don't even think it was the real.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Damn it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: I know, right?
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: This is a scam.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: But that was pretty cool. The whole rest of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 8: museum was pretty exciting because it did have a lot
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: of examples of spy technology, like the wristwatch, the little cameras.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: And flip phones. It was the 60s. It was really
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: impressive in the 60s.
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: But we did that, and then we were heading back
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: across Pennsylvania. We stopped to visit Mark, which you probably
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: don't remember Mark, Mark and Heather.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: I remember him by name, but a little crossover.
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: After that, we went to the.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: West Virginia? I can't remember if it's West Virginia State
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: Penitentiary or just West Virginia Penitentiary. That was the one
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: that had my friend.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Your bestest friend that he doesn't live there anymore, but
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: you found your connection through time.
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: He would have been my spirit animal.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: It's like the lake house. You guys found your time
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: traveling way to communicate with each other.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: I have no idea who this guy actually is, but
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: this prison in West Virginia, it's not as old. As
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: the Eastern State Penitentiary. Again, I can't remember if it's
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: Eastern State or East State. I get into shit all
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: fucked up. I'm tired, okay? But West Virginia State Penitentiary.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: It was active more recently than Eastern State Penitentiary was.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: I don't know when exactly they quit having prisoners in
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: Eastern State, but at West Virginia Penitentiary, they were still
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: there until like 25 years ago.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Obviously, into the 90s.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, because at least Use Your Illusion had been
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: out because there was like Axl quotes and Guns N'
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: Roses logos. This guy was all about some lies, lies.
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: Let me tell you.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: They left his cell the way he had left it,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: which was just cut based on your photos, covered like
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: the entire walls were just like writings.
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, not all of it was Guns N' Roses stuff.
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: But a good.
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: Majority of it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: There was a lot of G & Rs.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah. There was Guns N' Roses written on the wall.
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: I'm like, dude, if I was in jail, this would
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: have been me.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Give it time. You still have a chance.
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: But yeah, it was Guns N' Roses quote, like lyric quotes.
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: He got kind of wrong, which I mean, I guess
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: he didn't have the internet to fact check his little lyrics.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: Couldn't quite Google in the 90s and in prison.
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, probably wasn't the hotbed of internet activity. But yeah,
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: the place was amazing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Our tour guide.
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: Whose name I can't even remember. He was amazing. He
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: has his own YouTube channel, by the way.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Everyone has their own little outlet now.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: Everybody's got something.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: We all got to have a blog. That's a cutting-edge thing.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Everybody's got blogs, right? It's a blog. Exactly.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: I know what a blog is.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Everybody has a YouTube channel and a podcast. Everybody has
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: their own thing. I don't have a YouTube channel. You
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: have this. You're obviously the star.
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: This isn't mine. This is yours that I got suckered into.
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: You're a sucker and you get brought on board for many,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: many episodes.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: First it was the magazine, then it was this, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: then whatever shit you make up next.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: TV network I'm starting. As soon as I finish the
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Oddity Studios, I'm going to build around it.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: I don't do television.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I don't think I need to be on television, truthfully.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: That's why we have radio.
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: The camera adds like 10 pounds, so it's like, it's
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: the last thing I need.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: That's why we're on the audio.
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: That's what we do best. Is it like subtract 10 pounds?
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it takes 10 pounds right as soon as you
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: start talking. It takes it right off you.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: How heavy do I sound?
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: You can write in, guys, but you're going to piss
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: somebody off. So I wouldn't if I were you.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: Just estimate really low.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: We'll be good. 90 pounds. There you go. Let's just
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: go with that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: So.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Any other stops along the way?
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: West Virginia was our last stop before we headed home,
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: I think. By then, we were like five hours from home.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: So boyfriend's like, yeah, we can fucking do this. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: it was like five o'clock. So it's like we made
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: it safe and sound. So many adventures were had. Went
• 24:27
  Speaker 8: to the ocean, mountains. We saw all the different landscapes.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Oceans, mountains, you know, things. Things I don't see on
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: a normal basis.
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: Do you see mountains here in Kentucky?
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Not much. There's some hills occasionally.
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: So, here's my question. Did you stay at any creepy motels?
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: Actually, not this time.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: We went through thehotels.com, which we were not getting any money.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Like legit versions.
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: And I would check. I'm like, this one's got this
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: many stars. We're okay to stay here. This one's got
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: good reviews. We're going to stay here. It wasn't before.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: We're almost like, all right, this is the closest hotel
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: I can find. We're going to stay here. We stayed
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: in a really shady one in Buffalo maybe two years ago.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: Where the mysterious stains were everywhere, and I'm pretty sure
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: there was blood stains.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Hey, dead hookers gotta go somewhere.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Dude, that place was really shady, and it was just ugh.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: Nothing can top the good old days when you stay
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: with the guys sharpening knives outside the... Or machetes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: Machetes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Machetes outside your window.
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: The time me and Marlena and Jessica stayed at a
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: hotel near Akron, Ohio. Did I tell that story?
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you have, but it's still my favorite
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: of all motel stories.
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: First of all, this place was really shady to begin with.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: It had bars on the windows, but we were coming
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: back from a Shack Shaker show in Akron, Ohio. We
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: were on our way back, so it was probably way
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: after midnight. We found this really cheap hotel, and I'm like, okay, cheap.
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: This is literally like a $ 40 a night hotel.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: Classy, all right.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, everything's stained.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Everything.
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: You don't want to sit anywhere.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: The stains have stains.
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: Jessica didn't really want to go to the bathroom because
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: she was afraid something was going to come up out
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: of the toilet and grab her.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: That's most people's fear, isn't it? I assume we all
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: suffer that.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: But literally, like, not even ten minutes after we get
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: into the hotel, the phone rings. I'm like, what the
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: fuck's going on? Why is the phone ringing? And I'm
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: just like, don't answer it, don't answer it. And I
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: think Jessica, she was the one who decided to be
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: a great idea. So Jessica answered it, and she's like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: did you girls order an escort service? I'm like, uh.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: You're like, yeah, we did. Uh, no. Bring it on, buddy.
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: And then the stained, nasty chair gets wedged under the
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: door handle.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: And then the sharpening begins.
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: That was in Memphis.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, man.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was Memphis. I'm surprised there's no picture to
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: that because that was definitely in the digital camera age.
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: Me or Jesse should have taken pictures of that for
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: some reason, but we did not.
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know what you're thinking. You're supposed to have
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: good creepy motel stories every time you go somewhere.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think we've stayed anywhere really creepy or
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: really annoying. We went to Colorado Springs last year and
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: there was a guy in the room next to us
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: who was singing really loud opera Italian at three o'clock.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: In the morning. That's how loud opera is.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: We drove straight there. from here after we after jay
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: got off work it's a good run so we were
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: at the hotel because we went to his actually went
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: to his aunt's house first we didn't get to the
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: hotel till like midnight and so from like midnight until
• 27:34
  Speaker 8: probably 2 30 3 o'clock in the morning so i'm
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: thinking okay eventually this guy has to stop really loud
• 27:43
  Speaker 8: until eventually boyfriend falls asleep which pisses me off because
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: i'm like if i can't sleep you're not fucking going
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: to sleep so i kept kicking.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Him That does sound like your behavior.
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: Dude, seriously. So eventually he called the front desk.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Our fur guy is downstairs. Please stop him.
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: He was right next to us. I was banging on
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: the wall, but one of those walls was reinforced enough
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: where my banging is not doing anything to affect his singing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: So he calls the desk clerk downstairs, and the desk
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: clerk comes up there, knocks on the door. The guy
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: won't answer the door, but the singing stops immediately. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: the guy did not open the door.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Ugh. All right, next trip. I'll Google search the creepiest
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: looking motel.
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: Where's the clown motel at?
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: There you go. I have seen pictures of the clown motel.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: We'll pick the worst places to go, and then you
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: can review them.
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: I want to come back from this vacation.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Jay will be there. He'll stab people. He's got all
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: kinds of ways to kill them, so it's fine.
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: I would ask you if you've done anything, but as
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: I've removed.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: Just recording episodes and setting up the new soon-to-be studio
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: home base. So that's pretty much most of what I've
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: been up to as of recent. So with all that,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I'd say now we should take our break and join
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: this week's guest.
• 29:04
  Speaker 12: She got a smile and it seemed to me Minds
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: of your childhood memories When everything was as fresh as
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: the bright blue sky.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: She got.
• 29:52
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• 29:55
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• 29:59
  Speaker 13: Simply press suction cups to the windshield as shown in
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: the detail on your instruction sheet. Drizzle Guards are on
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: sale now.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Hey, Sterling.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: What's up?
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: You like coffee.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: I do like coffee.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: In fact, we're drinking coffee right now.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Funny enough, we are.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: You know where you should get your coffee.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: Where should I get my coffee?
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: I think you should go to Heine Brothers and get
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: your coffee.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: Heine Brothers? I think I used to work there.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: You probably did. A lot of people in this town.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what Louisville is.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: They're kind of like taking over. Actually, driving this past week,
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: there was a place that used to be. I won't
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: even out them as the failed massive franchise that they are.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: But they had this place, and it was sitting next
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: to the road, and they sold coffee, and now.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Suddenly they're gone. Actually, I think I know exactly what
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: you're talking about.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: I just noticed it this week, and now they're gone.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: It's empty, but it's already painted up with the Heine
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: Brothers sign. Coming soon, another. Heine Brothers location.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: You know, you say they're taking over. I say they're
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: our number one community coffee.
• 31:00
  Speaker 10: Just saying. They are.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: And I mean that literally.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is kind of why I'm like, you know,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: it is interesting how much they've continued to spread and
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: become super successful. But yet they're completely independent. They were
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: started independent. out of this town by a couple of
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: guys and they came up with this process and this
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: general idea of what they wanted to create.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: And it's kind of cool that it's been accepted by
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: people and like people signed on and like, not only
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: do we like your coffee, but we like the idea
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: of this little community that you've created around this coffee
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: shop and this series of now many coffee shops.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: And moreover, Mike Mays, you know, one of our prominent
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: leading businessmen in the, in the community. And I, one
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: thing I can definitely say is that, you know, Heine
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Brothers has, like many local businesses, been deeply involved in
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: charity work and stuff around town, and that's great. But
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: the thing I like most about buying Heine Brothers coffee,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: if you don't mind me saying, is the fact that
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I know that the person behind the counter that's getting
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: paid with the wage from this, like my first job
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: when I got to Louisville was working at Heine Brothers.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: their first job out of college or in college or
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: whatever is working at.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: So to my mind, uh, the nice thing is just
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you knowing that, you know, you're talking to people who
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: are going through a cycle that I think is actually
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: part of the common life that we have here in town.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: So, well, and I was talking with a couple of
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: recent guests. I was like, I, I, you know, mentioned like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: that's one of the cool things that's happened this past
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: year or so is that they came on board and,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: and they were like, even people outside of our town
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: were just like, wow, that's really cool. And that's one
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: of the things I think is really impressive is that
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: they've gotten.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: To this point.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: They're a successful local business. They've branched out and done
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: more and more and have helped not just charities, but
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: you see them giving back to other people, like other
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: independent operations. Like, I don't know, movie meltdown. They like
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: couldn't exit.
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: Well, that's the thing.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: There's so many people I've gone to over the years
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: trying to keep this show running and that like, great job. Well,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: I just won't hear back from, or people have like
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: come on, gotten involved and then disappeared really quickly. And
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: like the fact that they came on board and have
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: continued to support us is like a really big thing.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: And I've even started to see them doing it with
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: other shows. And I'm like, I don't think that's a
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: bad thing. Like, I'm like, cool. Like, seek out these
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: new different places to, you know, not just advertise yourself,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: but to also in doing that, you're supporting these independent
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: artists and operations that are trying to do something outside.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Of the norm.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: And normally bigger businesses won't have anything to do with
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: that unless it's cut and dried the generic way that
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: we've always done advertising or, However we spread the word
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: about our business, we only go through newspaper ads because
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: that's what the kids read today.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's actually incredibly vital, especially for those of
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: us like yourself and myself who are part of the
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: independent arts community.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: I'd like to think that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Would you mind if I stuck in a promo myself?
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Feel free.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Excellent.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Well, speaking as a member of the independent arts community,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: the theater community to be specific, which also thrives on
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Non-traditional businesses giving us their okay to slap a logo
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: on a program for a show that you've never heard of.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I'll be working with the Alley Theater once again, bringing
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: back our Star Trek boldly going way too far.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Way too far.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Again. This will be the third mounting of the show
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: that we premiered and originated about four years ago, I
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: think at this point. which is kind of amazing because
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: it's a freewheeling, exciting thing. We first threw it together
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: in like a couple of months to, to put it on,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: to put it on, but it'll be coming back this July,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: the 12th through the 28th, I believe. So mark your calendars.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: It is an exciting show where we take an adventure
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: through all the different series and of the franchise and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: throw in some references and some jokes about other franchises
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: as well. And it's really not only a, celebration of
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Star Trek and all things Star Trek but also of
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: the weirdness and goofiness that's fundamental in my opinion to
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: the show and not only is that the case but
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: also if you arrive and if you are selected to
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: be one of the unlucky few, you too can come
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: up on stage and be a red shirt. You will
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: be given a red shirt and the job of dying
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: to defend one of the more important cast members before
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: the scene is done.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: It's not going to end well when you put on
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: the red shirt.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: No, it won't.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: But, you know, as a friend of mine once said,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: hypothetical scenario, space is being traversed by the human race
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: and we're traveling to new planets every day and they
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: say to you, You too can join Starfleet and they
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: offer you a red shirt. Would you say yes? The
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: truth is, I think most of us, dear listener, would
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: indeed say yes if it meant that we got to
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: be on the bridge of the Enterprise.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Or it'd be like, eh, I'd have to like get
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: up and.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Leave the house.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I'm connected on the internet to everything I need.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: The 23rd century is no place for slackers.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I don't want to have to go out on adventures.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: That seems like a lot of work.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Now you're talking like a 21st century geek.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I keep seeing our society do. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: don't want to leave the house.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Eventually, that's going to be all of our pop culture heroes.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: They're not going to be the people who are like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Heck yeah, I want to go on an adventure. They're
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: going to be like the people who are like, oh man,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: do I have to defeat the Dark Lord?
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: I think it'll be more like, I'm going to put
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: this headset on and like go and digitally take.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: On the universe from right here on my sofa. Dude,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I think we've given Ready Player One way too much
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: of our time, okay?
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: So all that having been said, I think you should
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: go to hineybrothers.com. Slash subscription and sign up for the
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: coffee subscription. And that way you don't even have to
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: live down the street from that new one that they're building.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: You actually can live wherever you want across the country.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: Maybe even other countries. You should check the website. But yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: that way you can have coffee delivered to your door
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: and you don't have to do anything.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Fabulous.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Like everybody in this. society seems to want to do
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: just kind of hang out at their house.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: That's certainly the image we're painting of it right now
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: as we sit on my couch videos.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: On your youtube and drink your coffee that's delivered right
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: to your porch what else do you want so yeah
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: just if you can't spell honey again maybe you're not
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: from this town you don't know how they spell honey brothers.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Just ask a local.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Just go to movie meltdown.com right there on the right
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: hand side of the page there's a button.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: There's a little logo that says Heine Brothers Coffee.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: You click on that, it'll take you right to the website.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: And then, when you're there, more importantly, you use the
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: code MELTDOWN, and you get $ 5 off your order, and
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: that's what we're doing for you. Again, we're trying to give.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Back to you. I'd buy that for a dollar.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Five of them.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: You'll have five extra ones once you use this code.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Meltdown. And from there, you can sit and have extra
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: money to invest in your online internet obsession.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: So, for instance, if you happen to stumble onto a
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Patreon page for a particular podcast.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not going to say Movie Meltdown slash Patreon.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: But it's a circular business model, and it would really
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: be great if the money that you save thanks to
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: this podcast also goes into... This podcast.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: That's not Mr. Meltdown over here proclaiming this. I'm just
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: a random guy.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to say patreon.com slash movie meltdown. But,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: you know, if you accidentally went there or the link
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: to that that's on that same right hand side, I'm
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: not going to tell you not to give money to
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: a certain movie on Patreon page that's, you know, surviving only.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: by you guys and the wonderful people at Heine Brothers
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: so this is the only way we survive is help
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: from other people and that's how you build an awesome
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: artistic community of people using the funds that are created
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: through whatever you do and then giving it back to
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: other people to do other cool interesting things and then
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: it becomes a circle and we all we support those
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: businesses that support the independent cool.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: Stuff like Heine Brothers yeah so it all it all comes.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Full circle so I'm just saying go do all of
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: that Wow, that was a great promo. Go there right now.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to drink some more coffee. There's my coffee
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: mug right there. there.
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: To some, it was the fulfillment of a dream. To others,
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: it was an instrument of destruction. A creation that could
• 39:47
  Speaker 14: change the course of history.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: It was stolen from my factory.
• 39:59
  Speaker 15: What do we tell the president?
• 40:01
  Speaker 16: Tell me exactly why this merchandise is so important to
• 40:03
  Speaker 16: the feds.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: It's a rocket.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: A rocket? Ow! What?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: What's the matter?
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 40:09
  Speaker 10: There's something under the seat.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: Oh, my.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: What have you got here?
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: What are you supposed to do? Is it a bomb
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: or something? No.
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't touch that if I were.
• 40:19
  Speaker 17: You.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: How do I look?
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: Like a hood ornament.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Stand clear.
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: What was that? Big gopher.
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: Are you trying to kill yourself? I like it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Uh-oh, we got company.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: You steer, I'll push.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: For what?
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: I will not rock it, Eddie.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: Not next week, not tomorrow.
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Keep your eyes open for this dame.
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: Jenny's in trouble.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: They're working for a Nazi agent.
• 41:08
  Speaker 14: With an army equipped with these, you could rule the world.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: You touch one here on her head, I swear I'll...
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: Shoot him!
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: We've got the girl. The rocket will come to us.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: I love her, Peeve.
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: Does she know that?
• 41:36
  Speaker 18: This is Fred Decker, director of The Monster Squad, and
• 41:49
  Speaker 18: you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: Movie Meltdown.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: The forces of evil come out to fight. The ambulance,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: they must destroy.
• 41:58
  Speaker 16: Or spend forever in the darkest void. Who can stop
• 42:02
  Speaker 16: that deadly might? Who will stand up for the right?
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: From the mouth of veins comes dynamite. The monster squad
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: gonna groove tonight. First came Dracula, now the wolfman too.
• 42:13
  Speaker 16: Mummy and the creature from the black will do it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: We need silver foot, we need wooden sticks. Normal stuff
• 42:18
  Speaker 16: won't stop because that M.O.H.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Speaks a magic word. So this week our guest is
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Michael Possert Jr. Michael has, as you're about to hear,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: spent pretty much his entire life working on different films.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: From childhood Super 8 projects to working as a special
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: effects model maker for huge movies like The Rocketeer and
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: Apollo 13, as well as his years working with Leica
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: on Oscar caliber animated films like Kubo and the Two Strings,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: The Box Trolls, and Paranorman. So now that you've had
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: a little introduction to him, let's go talk with Michael
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: right now. If we're starting at the beginning, what were
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: you like as a kid? What were your interests early on?
• 43:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this is a common story I tell for me is,
• 43:13
  Speaker 9: At age five, I made my first model. It was
• 43:17
  Speaker 9: a box kit. It was the USS Battleship Arizona.
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: Nice.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: And not knowing any better, I promptly took it that
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: summer to the lake and put it in the water
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: and started throwing rocks at it. And my father... um
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: who was a world war ii vet and pulled me
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: aside and explained it's not funny son exactly explained to
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: me the uh the error of my ways.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: So you're the little kid melting your army men and
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: yeah i did all this poor guy's leg got melted
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: oh i did all that battle damage like.
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah and then uh kept building stuff just always enjoyed
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: it um the guy that became my brother-in-law uh in
• 43:56
  Speaker 9: the early years showed me how to use things like
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: an airbrush how to draw illustrate things like that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Did you start off artistic in other ways were you
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: drawing before on your own just like.
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah a little bit and he he helped me refine
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: it yeah things like that that's that's.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: What it yeah we we've talked about that with with
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: eric too who's here this weekend that like yeah his
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: take was like you know everybody can get to the
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: point of being a pretty good artist it just takes
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: practice yeah it's like The more you work on it,
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the more you refine it, like, the better you get.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: You just have to actually log in time.
• 44:29
  Speaker 18: Totally.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: Everybody always, you know, I just don't have that talent.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: I'm like, hmm, you also haven't honed that talent.
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you do have to put the time in.
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: I've gotten pretty good with the airbrush, and that's only
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: because of time.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: And it's one of those things when you don't do
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: it for a length of period, it tends to fade
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: off a.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Little bit, you know. So I guess, you know, you
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: could have been doing vans and stuff.
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: Sure.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: How did you? What first led you into like working
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: in film? What was the first?
• 44:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, then at age eight, I was at a
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: neighbor's yard sale, garage sale. Nice. And I found a
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: regular eight movie camera for a dollar and really didn't
• 45:07
  Speaker 9: know anything about it. But it intrigued me.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: What hero was it? Was it like the really older ones?
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Because now I've become a geek and I'm buying ones
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: from the 30s to the 60s.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: No, this one was.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: The 70s ones had the cheap fake wood grain on them.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: It might have been one of those.
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: This one was probably mid-60s. It was Kodak Brownie. Crank
• 45:30
  Speaker 9: handle so you had to crank it up.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Those are cool too.
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: I had a very stark lesson right off the bat.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: I got a roll of film after I'd done my
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: chores for a few weeks and had enough money for
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: the two dollars worth of film nice and uh they
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: never they didn't tell the eight-year-old kid to load it
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: in a dark.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: In the dark or not open it midway in.
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: So yeah so i didn't know any better at an
• 45:57
  Speaker 9: eight-year-old and i just pulled the roll of film and
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: it wasn't in a cartridge like super eight safety yeah
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: yeah and uh So I'd ruined that roll even before
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: I'd sent the first frame through the camera.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: That was a hard lesson.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I remember doing that. I think I had more issues
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: after the fact. I remember we had, again, I think
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: it had like cheesy wood grain on it. It was
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: one of those nice like mid-70s models of. of Kodak
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: and it had the built-in zoom though. They got starting
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: to get fancy then.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: But I remember I did shoot some weird stuff and
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: like a lot of like toys and trying to animate them,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: which I'm sure we'll get to later with you. But yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I did a lot and I did like a clay
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: animation version of like a dinosaur, which is again where
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: we all started.
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: And then like at some point, I don't know if
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: it was that one. I think that one's still intact,
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: but at some point me trying to run it through,
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: I would just shred it through that projector. Like I
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: would shave the entire like, Because it would only have
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: one side of the sprocket action and I would just
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: like sheer the whole time. I'm just like, this is
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: a very complicated version, which is funny now why I
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: think I think of that as I'm buying them. Like
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: for weird nostalgia, like artistically, I think that the cameras
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: and even the projectors back then were like aesthetically pleasing.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Like they put work into those old ones that like,
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: I have one that like it is inlaid with metal art.
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Like it is a work of art. And I'm just like,
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: It was just a practical, functional thing in the 30s
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: when you made this. But, like, so, yeah, it's pretty
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: interesting some of the times when, like, that stuff comes around. But, yeah,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I was kind of doing that, too. But I had
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: more trouble with the projecting.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: And destroying them. I've lost more footage to the projector
• 47:35
  Speaker 9: than to the camera.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: So, I guess after the first hard lesson, like, where
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: did you go after that?
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just me and the neighborhood kids. This
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: was pre-Star Wars, so we were into doing the classics.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: We'd do Frankenstein and Dracula and just zombies even before
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: that was a thing and that kind of thing. And
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: I actually got into special effects, doing miniatures and stuff
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: like that, trying to set up a faux villa that
• 48:05
  Speaker 9: would be the opener, the establishing shot of where Dracula
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: would be, that kind of thing.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: The fact that you're acknowledging that, you know, that's more...
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: filmmaking style than most kids have at that age.
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was really addicted to it. And that was
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: back before Cinefax even. And so my mom would be
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: reading something in the newspaper and they'd say one line
• 48:26
  Speaker 9: about how they did a special effect. And I'd save
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: that whole page.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: It went off in your head.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: It was like gold because it was so rare to
• 48:33
  Speaker 9: find behind the scenes stuff back then.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Nice.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: And then 1977, I was 13 and Star Wars came out.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: And that Changed the world.
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it crushed me, and nothing would be the same again.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, was it just all of it as
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: a whole, or was it that there's so many makeup
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: effects and special effects and miniatures, and was all of
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: that actually registering, or was it just the.
• 48:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was overwhelming. My sister took me for a
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: birthday about a week after it opened, and I was
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: that kid about 10 rows back, and the screen was
• 49:08
  Speaker 9: so giant. Because we were at the Americana in Detroit, Michigan,
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: where I was born and raised. And it was one
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: of the last giant theaters. yeah and it it really
• 49:18
  Speaker 9: was just overwhelming experience and uh immediately starting right after
• 49:23
  Speaker 9: that day we stopped doing horror and fantasy and we
• 49:26
  Speaker 9: started doing it was all sci-fi from there on.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Out So you started already perfecting your special effects and
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: putting a sparkler in and making it. You're right. I
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: did have some sparklers in my special effects.
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the first couple of movies we did, I did
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: with the other guys, was the thinnest of plots just
• 49:46
  Speaker 9: to get spaceships on screen to blow them up. That
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: was the main thing.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, throwing rocks at the battleship. It never steers far
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: away from that. So I guess at what point, I mean,
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: did it keep... escalating did you keep doing like stuff
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: bringing in more people that you knew and making more
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: like side project movies or did it did it hit
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: a lull until you started getting into it professionally.
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah it hit a lull because of uh cars girls
• 50:15
  Speaker 9: and college.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: You know that some of those things are very alluring
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: yeah so the college nonsense it didn't drop.
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: Off but it became more uh I would start, you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: I started collecting Cinefax, and there was a magazine that
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: was awesome. It was called Cinemagic, and it talked about
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: behind the scenes.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: I had several of those.
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: In a box somewhere right now, I'm sure I still do.
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I still have all mine. And that taught you
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: how to, like, do it, you know, more hands-on for, like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: Super 8 and 16. There was a couple of them
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: I remember. They had one that was, like, a shot
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: with an arrow effect of, like, sawing the arrow in
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: half and putting it through a belt and, like, so
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: I think I did an attempt at that, and I
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: had the one that had the weird, like, I think
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: it was one of the Corman ones that had that
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: creature with the big neck. So they had like a
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: version of how to make your own, like shove your
• 51:01
  Speaker 9: arm up and make this puppet that it kind of
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: looked like that same.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: That was, those were really good magazines. They were good.
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: The second issue was devoted to how to build a
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: pro grade spaceship and with mount points and all this stuff.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: And so I kind of went into just learning about
• 51:19
  Speaker 9: it for a while as I got through high school
• 51:21
  Speaker 9: and college. And, uh, but I, I pretty much knew,
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: Because that was also a golden era for movies in
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: my mind. It started around like Jaws and Star Wars.
• 51:31
  Speaker 9: And you'd get things like Raiders of the Lost Ark.
• 51:33
  Speaker 9: You'd get Alien. You'd get Blade Runner. You'd get just
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: Empire Strikes Back. And just a lot of big budget,
• 51:39
  Speaker 9: really well-written and crafted movies. And I kind of knew
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: by the time I was getting out of high school
• 51:46
  Speaker 9: that I was going to have to do something with Hollywood.
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: So I went to college, Central Michigan University. Not really
• 51:53
  Speaker 9: known for a film school, but they had a small
• 51:54
  Speaker 9: film department got i got a film degree uh major
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: in that and two minors one in marketing one in
• 52:00
  Speaker 9: advertising those were mainly to keep the parents off my.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Back that's become a running theme through this discussion is
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: like how supportive were the parents of this and sometimes
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: they're kind of grew up in the arts and they're
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: gung-ho and other times they're.
• 52:14
  Speaker 9: Like you need a real job yeah my mom was
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: always very supportive of me being creative but my dad
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: he was born in 1920 so he Came through the
• 52:24
  Speaker 9: depression in World War II and eight kids.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: That changes.
• 52:26
  Speaker 9: I was the last of eight.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That's a lot to deal with. Any of those
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: is a lot to eight kids. Maybe more than anything.
• 52:32
  Speaker 9: He couldn't understand where's the nine to five steady paycheck
• 52:36
  Speaker 9: in it.
• 52:37
  Speaker 10: Still a legit question.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: It is. It is.
• 52:40
  Speaker 9: But once I was out there and I'd been doing
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: it for two or three years and not calling to
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: complain about money or asking for money, he slowly turned
• 52:49
  Speaker 9: around and by the end became my biggest fan.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: That's awesome. Yeah. So was it, was it fully out
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: of college when you like started finding projects or?
• 52:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I got out of college and I did some
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: PA work around Detroit for a little while. That was mainly, uh,
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: automotive stuff. And so I was a glorified like car
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: cleaner because keep them clean for the commercials, you know,
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: and that was fine for a few months until I
• 53:17
  Speaker 9: got my act together and just decided to, to just
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: go to, uh, California. I had a couple of contacts.
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: I'd met a guy in college who'd worked as an
• 53:25
  Speaker 9: illustrator part-time in the summer as an intern. And he said, well,
• 53:29
  Speaker 9: if you want to build stuff, they pay people out
• 53:31
  Speaker 9: in LA to do that. And he had three or
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: four contacts for me. And I thought, well, I'll go
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: out there for a month or two and see. Meet
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: these people, see what it's like. And I got out
• 53:40
  Speaker 9: there and I went and I interviewed with all these people.
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: And they all said the same thing, which really shocked
• 53:45
  Speaker 9: me because I look back now, I cobbled together this
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: really crappy little portfolio. It's embarrassing. And they looked at it.
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: I think they looked past that. And I think what
• 53:55
  Speaker 9: they saw was just my enthusiasm and drive. And they
• 53:59
  Speaker 9: all said the same thing. They said, well, this is
• 54:01
  Speaker 9: all well and good, but when you're back in town,
• 54:03
  Speaker 9: let us know. When you're back in town for good,
• 54:05
  Speaker 9: let us know.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're willing to fully commit to this. Yeah,
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: we don't want anybody half. Yeah, right, right. You're all
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: in or nothing.
• 54:14
  Speaker 9: So I went back to Detroit for just a couple
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: more months and got my affairs in order and then
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: just moved out there and never looked back.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: That's again, that's kind of the jump that not everybody's
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: willing to do. And I think that becomes the dividing line.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: And even then there's no guarantee, but so I, again,
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: I had sort of some, some running things from that time,
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: but I guess, you know, I'm throwing most of them
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: to you, like what were sort of the big moments
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: for you or what was the, the job that you're like, okay,
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: now I've, I've definitely like, this can be a career.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: This is something that's going to work out. Like, I guess,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: what was it that felt like, you would actually kind
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: of made it in your mind at that time.
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it was a, I'm not sure that's even happened
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: to this day.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: I think that's more interesting because I, again, I will
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: approach people and I'm like, I think you've done all
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: these amazing projects and they'll just be like, I'm still
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: just trying to get by from one job to the next.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: It really is true. I think that's really interesting because
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of people from the outside don't always see
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: it that way. No, not at all.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: I mean, I make a joke that I've managed to
• 55:17
  Speaker 9: keep my mortgage paid. That's more than many jobs out there.
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: But when you look at it, it's weird because a
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: lot of people, especially, you know, I'm from Michigan, so
• 55:26
  Speaker 9: a lot of Midwest ethics, you know, work hard, nine
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: to five and all that. And there's just none of
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: that out there. It's project to project. I've worked on
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: projects that are one day. And I've worked on projects
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: that the longest was 10 months, but then you're out
• 55:40
  Speaker 9: on the streets looking for the next one.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: I think that's what scares so many normal people. And
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: what keeps them at home is just like, there is
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: no guarantee. And you do have those like huge lapses
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: in between, even like, you know, working actors will get
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: out there and get a job. And then 10 months later,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: you know, I get another job and I losing my
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: health insurance in the meantime. But like, so yeah, I
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: think it's that, that, you know, that, uncertainty that is
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: what keeps so many people at home.
• 56:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: So I guess, I mean, what is it then that
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: is one of the first go-to jobs that you're like, okay,
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm doing this, that it is a
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: very legit thing that you feel like, now I'm making movies.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: I was working at, went to Boss Films in one
• 56:24
  Speaker 9: of the old legend houses. And I started working with
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: a guy, Pat McClung, Patrick McClung. I'd read about this
• 56:33
  Speaker 9: guy in Cinefax. And here I am working with him
• 56:37
  Speaker 9: and going to lunches with him. And that was cool.
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: And Greg Jean would cruise by. And all these people
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: I'd heard from, from movies that I admired and projects
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: I wished I'd worked on. And so I'd worked in
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: a few small shops my first year or two. And
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: Boss Films was the first big shop. And when I
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: got there, I felt like, all right, I'm starting to
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: get some traction. And then I worked there off and
• 57:04
  Speaker 9: on for a few movies or a few projects. And
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: I worked on Alien 3, the third one, and got
• 57:10
  Speaker 9: a screen credit. And that was the first real screen
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: credit that mattered.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: See it on the screen.
• 57:15
  Speaker 9: And that was a big deal. So I'd say that
• 57:19
  Speaker 9: was probably early 90s when it started to feel real
• 57:22
  Speaker 9: after I'd been there since 87.
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: That's a good time logged in there. That is one
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: I was kind of interested in just because I– For
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: several reasons. I mean, most sci-fi fans love the Aliens
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: series or at least parts of it. But I was
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: also like a huge Giger fan. So I guess coming
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: into the visual effects, like how much of the over...
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, his overwhelming influence on the artwork and the
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: sets and everything. So I mean, how much did they
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: factor in of like, here's the basic rules of what
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: we have to do. Like you can't stray too far
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: from this overall look. So I mean, did that factor into...
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: The building of props and sets and everything they were
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: working on?
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we got the puppets from the guys at ADI.
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:07
  Speaker 9: And I never talked to them directly, but it sounded
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: like they wanted to start slowly evolving away from the
• 58:14
  Speaker 9: original design.
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: Which, I mean, even from his concept art, it veers away.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: And then with each one, especially by three, they started
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: trying to mutate into new forms.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: But yeah, his influence on the visuals in all of
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: those are pretty amazing.
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: And Fincher wanted the mining colony to look pretty industrial.
• 58:37
  Speaker 9: And I think we pulled that off.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:38
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 9: And the escape pod that I did at the beginning
• 58:42
  Speaker 9: of the movie that they eject in is known also.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: It's the EEV.
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: Is its proper name but they call it the flying
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: door hinge derogatorily because it's not the best design but
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: i loved it because it was one of the first
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: models that i was thrown where i could do it
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: from start to finish yeah see it all the way
• 58:59
  Speaker 9: through so that was cool that's.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: Definitely again even to have a Fincher-related credit at that
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: point is pretty impressive even today. I was trying to look.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: This was another one of the, I guess, kind of around, like,
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: the early 90s was just working on RoboCop 3 because
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: we had Fred Decker on. And, like, it was funny
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: because he kind of had the same response most people would, like, again,
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: he came in as such a big fan of film.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: And so like, they're giving you the third in this franchise.
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: And most fans even are not thrilled with the way
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: it turned out, but he's like, they asked me to
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: do a Robocop movie. I was like, of course I'm
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: going to do it. So I guess was, was that
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: kind of like your attitude going in as I get
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: to work on something that's, At that point had built
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: up a pretty huge following and had such a fan
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: base of the original film.
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: I also got to do that at Apogee. And they
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: were one of those that grew out of ILM. And
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: it was a John Dykstra shop and Grant McKeown. And
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 9: so I was just thrilled to be working at Apogee.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: And it was one of their last projects on the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: way out. I mean, it was a little earlier, but
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: it was still towards the waning days of Apogee. And,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 9: you know, a lot of people have these beliefs rightly
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: and wrongly that there's tons of money floating around in
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: hollywood there is but there is rarely do we see
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 9: it down at the level that that i'm working at
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 9: and so we had we only had like a week
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: and a half two weeks to bang these buildings out
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: it was a a wide establishing shot for the city
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 9: of detroit and that uh main police building and so
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: we went fast and hard for two weeks and it
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: It made a really nice establishing shot. And I can
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 9: say I worked on RoboCop 3. That's right. But we
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: didn't really have a lot more involvement with them.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: But it was Detroit. So you're like, I got this, guys.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: I got this. I know all of it. I know
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: all of it. This is all from memory. Don't worry.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Well, again, just trying to look through some of the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: bigger ones. I mean, True Lies at that point was
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: like one of the biggest things in the world. So, again,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: where do you come in to a project that huge
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: and then– how much of a cog in that machine
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: are you? He's the biggest director in the world at
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: that time, and that was before he made two of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: the biggest money-making films.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, that's huge.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we did that at Digital Domain in Venice, California.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 9: The best part about that is it's about a block
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: and a half from the beach, so lunches were very nice.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: Nice, nice.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 9: But you'll like this. We built a mountainside that was probably, oh, boy.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: 60 by 60 and maybe 30 35 feet tall and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 9: the gag was a helicopter was going to crash belly
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: flop on the side of it and then skid all
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 9: the way down in an s track and they were
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: fighting inside you know and we built the thing we
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: built the track for the miniature helicopter to go on
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 9: we built the structure. Like I said, it was 60
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: by 60 by 30. It was pretty big. It took
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 9: six of us about three months to build. And we'd
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 9: gotten it to the point where it was foam coated.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: It had been carved. Got the first couple layers of
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: paint on. And we were pretty close to being done.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 9: We had a bunch of fake trees we were going
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 9: to start dressing in. And we went home on a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: Friday night. And that Friday night, James Cameron and producers
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 9: or whoever decided that they didn't want the scene. They
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 9: cut it. And we came in Monday morning. And it
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: was gone. They had hired a demolition crew to come
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: in over the weekend and dismantle it and cart it away.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 9: And it was kind of surreal because it took us
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 9: three months of pretty hard work.
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  Speaker 5: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 9: And it was just gone in a weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, sadly, I've heard that this was not even show.
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  Speaker 5: This was just somebody I knew that like he actually
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: lives here, but like he works out in L.A. and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: got on doing like set and a lot of like,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: you know, set building and stuff. He worked on Terminator
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: 3 and there was one that was like this huge
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 5: setup shot and they were building more or less like
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: a tunnel that they were going to like drive through
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: or do one of the alternate future shots or something.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: So it had to be super industrial and all these
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: little pieces glued onto it. And again, they spent all
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: this time putting this thing together and there's like a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: half second that it's on screen. Like they cut the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: segment that was mostly based in it. So, like, it
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 5: survived enough that it's, like, a few seconds of night. Oh,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: there it's gone. So, like, all this time invested into
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: it and it's gone.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's more common than I want to admit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, once again, I think people don't realize
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  Speaker 5: the amount of work that goes into each little background
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: thing that then somebody goes, no, I don't like that scene. Right.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That always seems weird to me that, like, they will
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: put that much time and effort. You would think you
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: could make those calls beforehand. Yeah, you would think so. Like,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: on the screenwriting.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But, yeah, before you put... And, again, this is why
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: you get these huge budgets of, like, I'm going to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: build this mountain and then destroy it. I don't need
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: to use it. So, yeah, again, I was looking through
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: some of, like, the Apollo 13 is, again, like, moving
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: into spaceships and, like, some of the... I'm assuming that
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: level of building stuff. What specifics did you end up doing?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, that was a fun project. That was one of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 9: the longer ones. That was also a digital domain.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 18: And.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I worked on the service module, which is the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: cylindrical part where the oxygen tanks blew up and tore
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: out the side. And I worked on painting the splashdown
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 9: capsules and was part of the crew that took them
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: out off Catalina and dropped them into the ocean to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: make it as believable as possible. And then just a
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 9: variety of other things on the launch platform, did some
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 9: paint on that. But you'll like this. This isn't a
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: well-known story. It might have been told in a Cinefex
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 9: a little bit. They came to us. We were going
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 9: out to lunch one day on a Tuesday. And they
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 9: stopped me and one of my co-workers, Brian Ripley, and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 9: they said, where are you guys going? We're going to lunch.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 9: They said, no, no, no, there's an emergency. Well, what's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: the emergency? We're not near any deadlines. Well, we need
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: you to make the panel... that supposedly blew off the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 9: service module during the explosion they want to use it
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 9: for the trailer and we said well we thought cg
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 9: was working on that this is you know back in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 9: the day and they're.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Like finding a little footing in cg it's not the
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: early early days but it's still pretty early yeah yeah
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: 1994 yeah and uh it's coming off of jurassic park
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: that's pretty early yeah and uh we go without cg
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: guys are handling it and they're like yeah well They've collapsed.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: It's not going to happen. And they're like, well, what
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: do you want us to do? And they gave us
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: a quick sketch of a panel. It had some, you know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: ribbing on the inside, a lot of riveting, and a
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: little American flag on it. And they said, you know,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 9: start building this. All right. And when do you need it?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 9: They go, oh, we need it tonight. I go, what
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: do you mean you need it tonight? And they said, well, yeah,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 9: we have to shoot it tomorrow and get it processed
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 9: and conformed on Thursday and to the theaters Friday night.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: So me and Brian got out and we stayed into
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 9: that evening and we pulled it off. We made the panel.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 9: We put all this substructure on the inside. We did riveting.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 9: We bent it. We hammered on it with a hammer
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 9: and made it all messed up. We painted it. And
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 9: by dumb luck, we were going through our graphics file.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 9: a drawer full of old decals and graphics. And we
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 9: found an American flag that was the right size. And
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: just pure luck. And we got it on there after paint.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: And we did a little weathering and a little char
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: from burning. And we managed to get two mount points
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 9: on there for them. And we delivered it. And it
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: might be the last victory that Practical Effects had over CG.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Cg you failed us right finally yeah yeah so we
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: thought you know we were pretty proud of that pulling
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: that off and in less than a day nice again
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: that's it's that to me i think that's still where
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: and i've said this before like i think that's where
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: it all kind of lies is like finding the way
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: to meld the two it's like you're there are things
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: you just cannot do physically especially the more ridiculous and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: elaborate some of the movie projects get so it's like
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: you have to have cg for some of those things
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: you know to even come into existence but the best
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: stuff is probably gonna look practical or certainly used to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: you're getting a little better but right practical is like
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: you know i i think there is like a tangency
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: to it all like if you're if you can actually
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: feel like you hold it you know if if you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: know the sets seem like they're actually standing in it
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: and not in a green room you know it's like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: you you get to that stuff where practical stuff still
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: works better for for the audience i think maybe even
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: like the director will like this better or have the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: freedom obviously to do whatever they want in cg but
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: like i feel like it it weighs a little better
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: with the audience having a physical thing.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 9: You know there's that intrinsic value yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah you actually respond to it you know a little
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: different a lot of.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 9: Us even those that that make sets and props and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 9: miniatures We're not anti-CG. We just would like to see
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: a more sensible use of it. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: Or some use of practical. Right, right. There are some
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: that have just thrown it out the window. It's just like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: this is cheap. We're going with this. Yeah, but it
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: looks cheap, too.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I think there's a mixture. There's a balance there. Well,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: we kind of skipped over maybe one of the bigger ones. Certainly,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: this weekend, you're discussing a lot of the Rocketeer.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, the Rocketeer.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: That's... I mean, even at the time, it's grown to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: be such a weird, like, nostalgic place. But it was almost, like,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: made to be nostalgic from the get-go. Yeah, from the beginning.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: from the comic and into this really well done version
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: of that idea so you ended up building some pretty
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: impressive props I guess did you know you were going
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: to get into that from the beginning no.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: That came about well first I have to say it
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 9: was at a place called Design Setters and they were
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: mainly just known for building sets but the movie before
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: they'd worked on was Twins and they'd done they'd done
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: some props for Jim Bissell, which was the production designer.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: And Jim was so impressed with Design Center's quality that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: he didn't even bother looking around for others to bid
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: on it. He just offered it, Rocketeer, to Design Center's,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: and they said yes. And we just went from there.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: And I actually was a fan of the comics. So
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: when I got on that job, I was pretty excited.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 9: But we had no idea that it was going to
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: go through all the iterations that it did. And that
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: was a classic. like an Escher thing is what Dave
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: Stevens could draw on the comic that looked awesome. When
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: you started doing a single engine rocket and strap it
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 9: to the back of Bill Campbell, it just, it didn't
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 9: look right. It looks silly. It looked downright, just foolish.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: And so then the evolution started and that took, I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 9: think took longer than Disney wanted it to, but, but
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: in the end we came up with, I think a
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: pretty iconic and beautiful design.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, it just, The look of all of it,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: but specifically the rocket and the helmet and his outfit,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: and all of it kind of comes together pretty perfectly.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: And that makes sense because you had a talented illustrator
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 9: in Ed Ith, and then you have James Bissell and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: Joe Johnston, and they're no slouches in design either. So
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 9: that was probably a good group.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: So again, physically, what did you actually have to do
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: to put together this? Because you end up with the
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: rocket and the helmet? Or just what were you building?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: We did the rocket pack and we did the helmet.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: And we had a seamstress, a lady, Jenna Marie Bonar,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: work on the harness, the leather harness. And, yeah, it
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: was such a blur because we only had eight weeks
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: to go through four prototypes. And then we only had
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: a few more weeks to get the final stuff done.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 9: And me and Henry Darnell, Henry Darnell ran it, ran
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: the crew. Me and him, the crew fluctuated up and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: down as they were giving us answers and we were
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: doing the next prototype. But me and Henry are the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: only ones that saw all the prototypes through to the end.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 9: And the real curveball is when we finally got to
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 9: the fourth prototype rocket pack that everybody agreed would be
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 9: the one. And then they decided that they wanted it
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 9: to be real metal. And we were all a bunch.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 9: I think the oldest guy in the room was Henry.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: He might've been.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: 25, 26.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: And so I look back now and realize that we
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: were kind of flying by the seat of our pants.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 9: We were weighing over our heads on certain things, but we, uh,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: we stuck with it and we pulled it off. Jim
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 9: Bissell recommended a specific kind of zinc spray. And we
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: had to make some very unique, unusual molds that I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: never made before and haven't made sense to hold the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 9: zinc just the right way. And, uh, we managed to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: pull it off. We, We made two hero packs for
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: Disney and probably about a dozen hero helmets.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, both of them, again, you've been chewing
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: around and showing it to people and like they, yeah,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: they look so amazing and kind of fit so well
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: with that time period and like everything has its own
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: like kind of deco feel to it.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: To be able to find a way to work that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: into the props, especially the most essential in that story.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: It's great that it all kind of came together and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: looks as good as it does.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: That's awesome. I was, again, trying to go through this one.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to throw out because, oddly enough, we
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: were talking about today. My co-host just went on a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: road trip and stopped at the Mothman Museum.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: And then we started talking about the movie. So I
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: guess what was your role in Mothman Prophecies?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I was part of a crew at Fantasy II Effects.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: And we did the sequence of the bridge.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: With collapsing.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: We were discussing the bridge.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: And it was mainly just building all those vehicles.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: Because there's so many on there. And again, they wanted
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: it done quick. They didn't want to spend a lot
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 9: of money.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, at the other end of the scale,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: that's always their job is, like, get it done on time,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: get it done as cheap as possible.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: And we did two layers of vehicles. There was probably
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: a dozen that were closer to the cameras, the angles
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: they were choosing.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: And those had to be much higher spec. So we
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: spent a lot of time on that, you know, doing
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: grills and trim and bumpers and stuff that mattered and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 9: well-placed cameras. Glass in the windows.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: What size frame were these? Oh, boy, let's see.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: They were probably, I'm going to say about fourth scale.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: Pretty good size. Each car was probably about three, three
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 9: and a half feet long.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: That's a good size model to be building.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: And then there was a couple of dozen or more
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: secondary cars that were further back. And we did that by,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: those were vacuum form shells. And things, you know, corners
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: were cut.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: You know. Wheels were cut out of plywood, spray-painted black.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: If you can't tell on screen, it's okay. You work
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: with what works. It's movie magic.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: But the ones that were closer up were fiberglass layups,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: and a lot more care was put into things. We
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 9: had rubber wheels and proper frames and all that.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: That was the sequence I did.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's, again, it's interesting to me, all these
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: weird little pieces that fall into place to be able
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: to do this. And maybe more impressive that they ever
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: orchestrate any of this to come together, let alone that,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: you know, so many times a year, all these big
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: movies come out and everybody has their little part in it.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 5: Works on this scene or I made this costume or,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: you know, so the fact that they can ever get
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: any movie made sometimes is amazing.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: That's true.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: Let alone that, you know, so many actually kind of
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: come out pretty successful.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So I guess, I mean, any others you want
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: to throw in, I mean, I can definitely throw Serenity
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 5: out there. Everybody, you know, is excited by, you know,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: anything related to that.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: Anything Joss Whedon.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: Well, that was good. That was at Grant McKeown Design and, uh,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: I did the entire, uh, firefly shuttle that nests in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: each side of it.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And, uh, that was.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: Probably about, I'm going to say just under two feet, maybe,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: maybe 20 inches.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: And, uh, yeah, that was my part of that. And
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: it's funny because we got all those drawings from his
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: production company and they were fully fleshed out three-dimensional drawings and, uh,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 9: three-dimensional and just beautifully rendered. And we looked at him
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 9: and we said, well, well, Why aren't you just doing
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: this in CG? You're 90% of the way there. And
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 9: we found out in the long run that Joss Whedon
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: wanted something for the lobby of his company. And that's cool.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: But also, I think he was.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: Again, I almost respect that as the fan boy that
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: I am. It's like we all have that.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 9: But also, he understood the final sequence when it crash lands.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 9: There's something about the natural weight of things.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 9: And having it bounce and be motion controlled in front
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 9: of green screen and interacting with other pieces, it's very
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 9: tricky to fake that, even in CG, even as good
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 9: as people are today.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: I think it changes.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: And so I think it was a combination of that
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: final scene and him wanting a toy is how it
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 9: got made.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: Again, I think we all understand that.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, totally. But that was a fun job. That was
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: a good crew.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: Definitely. Well, I mean, the stuff we haven't that I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: was super interested in was the moving into like stop
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: motion animation, which, again, we have many fans of that here, too. So,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, what what different mode is it for you
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: as you move into something? I mean, obviously, I guess
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: you're going a little smaller, but I mean, it's a
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: totally different style project. So how much does it change
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: for you when your job moves into something as specific
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: as stop motion animation?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 9: I really love stop motion animation. And I have to
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 9: be careful what I say because the purists will jump
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: on me if I get it wrong.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not that pure. I'm sure I'll get in trouble myself.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: It's fine.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: There's this aura that the miniatures in stop motion animation
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 9: are much more different than what we do for visual effects.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: And it's not true.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: It comes down... This is really going to jump on me.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: It really comes down to two things. For stop motion,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: the miniatures... should be lighter because the animators are dealing
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 9: with them. And sometimes puppets have to hold a prop
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: so it can't be heavy. And the other difference is
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: in the bottom of a lot of things, you have
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 9: to build in a tie-down.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: Just to be able to put it on whatever set
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: they're building.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and so it doesn't ever move. But other than that,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 9: the rules of making stop-motion miniatures and props are very
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: similar to visual effects.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: Does it vary as far as specifics of what you
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: have to do? Again, because they have such specific motions
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: that they have to do. So is lightness really the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: only main difference that you have to do when dealing
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 5: with something in that room or that they have to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: pick up?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 9: If they're not picking it up, it mainly has to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 9: be tied down.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: If it's going to be held, it needs, it's this
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: tricky world of, it has to be lightweight, but it
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: has to be durable in that they can drill into it.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 9: And it doesn't fall apart and, and things like that.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: And we, at that point we mold everything because once the, Here,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: I'll get myself in trouble again. Some of the animators
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 9: are pretty ham-handed, let me say, about my models. And
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 9: they can be pretty rough with the models.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: Stop tearing my stuff up.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. And so when I was running the model
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 9: shop at Leica for a couple movies, my edict was
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: just mold it. Just when it's done, let's get some
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: rubber on it because I don't trust what happens out
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: on stage.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: That's true. So I had to cover us. Well, on
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: specific ones, Paranorman is amazing. Were you overseeing everything? What
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: specific roles did you kind of have into something like Paranorman?
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 9: Paranorman was unusual. I came in as it was starting,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 9: and I started out in a set shop, and then
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: I quickly moved into the model shop. And then I
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: was asked for a variety of reasons to step up
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: and take over the model shop as head of the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 9: model shop. But throughout it all, I was involved. quite
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 9: heavily with the van sequence. The van chase is a favorite.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: It is pretty epic.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: We were doing so much.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: It is. It's fun.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 9: And we were doing so much nickel plating for the
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 9: bumpers and wheels and stuff that they got tired of
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 9: sending it out of house. And so they had us
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 9: dial in a nickel plating system at Leica. And that
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: was a challenge because early on we'd get maybe one
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 9: in ten that worked. But by the end of it,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 9: we got it dialed in before Box Trolls where we
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: were getting nearly 100% every time. And so that's one
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: of the accomplishments there I'm proud of. And then moving
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 9: on to Box Trolls, I had such a stellar crew.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 9: It was so good. We set a record in stop
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: motion animation, the model shop, which involves the mold room
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 9: and paint and a lot of others. But that large
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: crew in the art department, we generated over 20,000 individual
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 9: handmade items in 18 months. And so that's a record
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: that I don't think anyone's going to break anytime soon.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: So I'm pretty, I'm pretty proud of that crew for,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 9: for pulling that off.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's one of those, I think, and it's,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: it is weird. Again, you guys putting as much work
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: in as you do, you don't have any control over
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: all the other ends of it. And like, that's the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: one I feel like so many people are just discovering
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: now because they didn't know that it was coming. Like,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 5: I think I, maybe the week before or something like
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: it came out really quick. And then I don't think
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: anybody realized it was the same team from Paranorman. So
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: I think it was like, it was later people are
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: rediscovering it going, Oh wait, these are the, you know,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: the great animators we had from these other movies. And
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: like we, so yeah, I think, I think that was
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: just one of those that like people are just now
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: kind of catching up with.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: It's really interesting because admittedly when those movies came out,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: they didn't do spectacular at the box office. They did good.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Paranorman did pretty, again, I think it had the extra
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: bonus of people kind of love that little horror genre,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: but kind of like a kid's safe horror genre. And
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: stuff on, yeah. And it's, yeah, I think that's, there's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: kind of like a growing list of ones that are
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: like good starter horror movies for kids. And Paranorman's a
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: great version of it. But yeah, I think Box Trolls
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: just fell somewhere in the middle.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: And didn't have that. So yeah.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 9: But they've all seemed to, once they got out on
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 9: the DVD, their audience has really kind of grown.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is part of it too now as
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: the business model. Like there are so many kids movies
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: that come out.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: Or what they consider kids. Again, I feel like those
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: are above and beyond usually what normally gets thrown out
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: there for kids. And I think that's it. I think
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: parents end up just kind of going, you know, to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: shut the kid up.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 18: Right, right.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: So sometimes they do pretty well across the board just because,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: you know, it's that weekend. You got to go take
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: the kids to see something. So sometimes I think it's
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: kind of a false return and you'll get sequels to
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: lesser movies just because. So like you do get ones
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: that fall through the cracks and you're like, but all
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: these other kids movies made money. Yeah.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of hard to gauge like a real
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: response because you're getting so much money from you also
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: kind of double or more because the parents have to
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: go too. So you're getting like double the returns on
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: some of these not so great kids movies. Right, right.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: It's kind of awesome to see them still sticking with this.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: And you see them backing something like Kubo and the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: True Strings that is like Oscar caliber performance on all
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: ends of you guys and animation and just everything they
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: put together. That's the high end of that tier that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: gets lumped in with other weird kid movies.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 18: Right, right.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 9: It's frustrating for those of us that worked on those
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 9: movies because we believe that they should have done better.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 9: far better than they did.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: And don't, again, because the quote unquote kids movies don't
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: get treated the way others do. So it obviously is
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: going to get thrown in the best animation, but I'm like,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: maybe it needs to be best picture.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: You never see that kind of stuff anymore after Beauty
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: and the Beast. So when they created a category that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 5: then killed it for any other animated movie from that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: point on. So, but yeah, I don't know what specifics
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: did you end up doing on Kubo?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 9: On Kubo? Um, I was fortunate early on to help
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 9: determine very little bit. I don't want to take too
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 9: much credit, but some of the look of the paper,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: I did a raft that's in the opening sequence for Sariatu,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 9: one of the characters, and she wrecks onto the beach
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 9: with it and she ends up using it later on
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 9: as a bookshelf. And I worked with Nelson Lowery, who's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 9: production designing on the movie, and we went back and
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 9: forth a little bit with some paper effects on the
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 9: the raft and then the wrecked boat that was a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 9: bookshelf and kind of dialed it in after a few
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 9: attempts and he ended up using that as as an
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 9: example to show others in the art department yeah one
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 9: of the directions we were going.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: I mean i again i've jumped around is there any
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: specifics along the way that you're like really proud of
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: that most people don't bring up you know you get
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of the animated stuff and rocketeer but are
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: there other weird one-off ones that you're like nobody ever
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: loves this thing that i did yeah well.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 9: There's a movie that admittedly is very bad it's solar
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: crisis we did it at boss films it's a again.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 5: That has no bearing on your work right but it's
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: a it's.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: A common refrain you'll hear out of model makers is
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 9: we'll often leave a cast and crew screening and we'll
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 9: say well our stuff look.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: Good yeah i think with a lot of effects yeah
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: anybody behind the scenes.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 9: And that's definitely the case for solar crisis what was
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: Fun about that movie is it was designed, a lot
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 9: of the ships, it's a space movie. And so a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 9: lot of the ships were designed by Sid Mead, a
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 9: well-known illustrator, artist. And it was the first time I
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 9: was allowed to, I was young in 1989, 90. And
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 9: I was able to do a spaceship from start to
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 9: scratch all on my own.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 9: And it was the 14-inch Helios. And the effects in
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 9: that movie and the spaceship designs are beautiful. But you
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 9: still got to plot through that awful plot.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: Well, again, that's kind of what you get going into
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: either the lower budget or, like, people that are kind
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: of young and getting started. It's like you see that,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: you know, I always return to that as the example,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: but the Corman Studios of, like, out of these schlocky movies,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: we built the most impressive group of filmmakers and actors and, like,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: and effects people and, like, they would all go on
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: to do much bigger, better, more appreciated things. But like
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: it all came from that school, whether it was officially
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: a school, it certainly was the school of hard knocks.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: Cause so I think you, you kind of get that.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: Like you won't necessarily get the opportunity to do a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: whole ship in this huge, big budget, you know, project later,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: but like this, they're like, we need somebody. So, you know, you,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: you kind of end up getting more out of it,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: you know, from the experience, I guess, then, you know, what,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: what box office comes with it.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: Well, again, looking at, you know, just career path wise,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: like how do you end up finding the next project?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: Or do you are you at the point where you
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: can kind of pick and choose projects? Or is it
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: still again, as you said earlier, are you just glad
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: that another project comes along?
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 9: I would just be glad if another project came along.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 9: It's it really is one of the last industries, I think,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 9: where it's so tied, really tied to who you know.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 9: And they know your reputation. And can they get along
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 9: with you?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: That's a huge part of any job. Exactly. Really, when
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: I think back, I'm like, why do I not want
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: to work there? Oh, yeah, these people were terrible.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 9: And also because it's gotten much, much, much smaller because
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 9: computers have really crushed visual effects as far as practical
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 9: and miniatures go. And so that's why I'm up in
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 9: Portland now and not LA is because there's a stop
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 9: motion– a pool of talent up there. There's two or
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 9: three companies now doing it. Leica is just the biggest fish.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: And yeah, I just wanted to get going on whatever
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: the next project is.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: Jobs are jobs and we'll take them. We'd actually here
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: last year and in previous years, I've talked to people
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: who've done effects and then just kind of went into
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: CG because it's where the industry was going. Is it
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: something you.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: Are interested in somewhere heading down that road or just
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: like this is what i like and this is what
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: i want to stick.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: With yeah this is what i like but i've looked
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 9: at the cg stuff and uh when you're building a
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: model or you're building a prop there's a chance for
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 9: you to be active where you get up and you're
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 9: going over to this tool or you're working over on
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 9: that table saw or you're doing this or you're going
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 9: to the paint booth or mold room and You're active,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: you're physically active a lot of the time, not all
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 9: the time, but a good chunk of it. And the
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: idea of sitting in front of a computer for 8, 10,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 9: 12 hours a day and hardly moving. It's not something
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 9: I can embrace.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: That's why we're all just going to be giant creatures.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: It's, yeah.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: Like WALL-E. WALL-E is kind of a sad prediction.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: The way that the people are in the big box store,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: I'm like, one day we'll look back at WALL-E and
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: we'll be like, oh, God, it was right there. We
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: missed our warning.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 18: Right.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I think we're all.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 9: But having said that, I am learning Rhino and Illustrator
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 9: and some other programs because Rhino, you cannot put files
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 9: for CNC and for rapid prototype.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 9: And Illustrator, you can put out files for laser cutting.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 9: So that will help facilitate me being practical.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: Again, I guess everything you learn, you can put to
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: use even back in the other version. It's finding ways
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: to make it all kind of apply to what you're
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: doing there.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 9: Again, I'm not anti-computer. I just want to find what
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 9: makes sense, how to use it.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a good balance. That's what it comes to. So
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: is there anything else we've left out? Again, we've jumped around.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: Is there anything else you wanted to discuss in your retrospective?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 9: I mean, I got tons of stuff, but I'm not
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 9: sure what you're in the audience would be really interested in.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: Again, it's up to you. I've hit a lot of
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: the big points, but yeah, I just didn't want to
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: leave any out if you had specifics.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 9: No, I think we hit those highlights, yeah, if you're happy.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: All right. Do you have projects you're allowed to talk
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: about coming up? Or sometimes I know that's all. Especially
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: on your end, it's so far in advance that the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: effects end starts that nobody can announce anything until it's
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: well beyond when you're done with it.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 9: Well, there's the latest Laika movie that's coming up, and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 9: they've announced the name finally. It's called Missing Link, and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 9: I think that's all I can talk about.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Look for Missing Link.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 9: Look for Missing Link sometime in 2019.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: And then you're still looking for projects. So how do
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: people find you if they have work they want you
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: to do?
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  Speaker 9: I have a website, michaelpossert.com, and you can contact me
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  Speaker 9: through there. And I know some of the older guys
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  Speaker 9: don't like it, but I try to encourage people to
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  Speaker 9: get onto Instagram because it's a very visual-based medium, and
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  Speaker 9: I love it. And if you want to see my
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  Speaker 9: portfolio or a good representation of what I've done over
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  Speaker 9: the years is I use it. uh, to put all my,
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  Speaker 9: my behind the scenes photos from all my years. And
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  Speaker 9: I am circa 1964 on Instagram and you should check out,
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  Speaker 9: I've got several hundred behind the scenes photos from all
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  Speaker 9: the movies and commercials and projects I've worked on. Like
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  Speaker 9: I said, I use it as a portfolio.
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  Speaker 5: Cool. We can actually put the link for that in
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  Speaker 5: the show notes for this episode. So yeah, definitely go
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  Speaker 5: to your website and follow you on Instagram.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, thank you for sitting in with us.
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  Speaker 9: I appreciate this. Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you.
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  Speaker 8: Not that anybody really cared about my vacation.
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  Speaker 5: It's plenty to talk about. And you did all kinds
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  Speaker 5: of dorky things with many movie tie-ins.
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  Speaker 8: Dinosaur Kingdom 2.
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  Speaker 5: Dinosaur Kingdoms and Mothmans. What more do you want?
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  Speaker 7: Ah.
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  Speaker 8: And also stood in the exact location where Brad Pitt
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  Speaker 8: and Bruce Willis were in 12 Monkeys.
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  Speaker 5: 12 Monkeys is an awesome movie.
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  Speaker 8: That was an Eastern State penitentiary. Games. Games that want
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  Speaker 8: to be free.
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  Speaker 5: Get out of my chair. Brad Pitt's pretty amazing in
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  Speaker 5: that movie. Whether people fully want to acknowledge or just
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: think he's crazy in the head, which might be true,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah. Very uncharacteristic for that point in his very
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  Speaker 5: pretty boy career. To do the look and the performance
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  Speaker 5: that he gives us in 12 Monkeys. So yeah, if
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  Speaker 5: you haven't watched it or haven't watched it recently, go
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  Speaker 5: revisit that crazy version of Brad. He's pretty damn good.
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  Speaker 9: Have you watched the TV show?
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  Speaker 5: 12 Monkeys?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, I think I do remember hearing it was a thing.
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  Speaker 5: And once again, there's too many shows and I never
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  Speaker 5: get around to most of.
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  Speaker 16: Them, but.
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  Speaker 8: I forgot it was a thing, but then I saw
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  Speaker 8: trailers for it when I was watching something else, which
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  Speaker 8: we could probably cover during the geek thing, because I
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  Speaker 8: forgot that I did watch something else. It pissed me off.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: So, we've had fun here today at the old Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 8: I love Wonderfest. I've been coming for how long? Since 2001,
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  Speaker 8: I think?
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  Speaker 5: At least. I've mapped it out one of these times.
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  Speaker 5: You can go back on the website.
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  Speaker 8: And it's back on a Saturday, because Saturday's when my
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  Speaker 8: mom got married. I made her rearrange her wedding, so.
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  Speaker 5: You can go on the website and, like, go back
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  Speaker 5: and look at all the people that were guests. I
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  Speaker 5: was trying to look back at the really old, like,
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  Speaker 5: 20-plus years ago and, like, figure out what year was
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  Speaker 5: that first year that we were both here. And then
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  Speaker 5: I was here, like, a year, at least two years
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  Speaker 5: before because I remember coming with somebody, like, I worked
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  Speaker 5: with at that time. Like, it was just a long
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  Speaker 5: time ago. So, yeah, we got to, so you should
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  Speaker 5: all go and find that on their website yourself. It
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  Speaker 5: is wonderfest.com and see what they've got in the works
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  Speaker 5: for next year. But with that, otherwise, that about does it.
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  Speaker 5: We will return next time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 7: Bye.
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  Speaker 15: No, baby, my time has come Gonna step above this.
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  Speaker 19: Ship today and head for the sun Don't know what
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  Speaker 19: I'll see there Don't know what I'll find Maybe I'll
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  Speaker 19: be happy.
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  Speaker 15: If I find a piece of mine Time travel has
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 15: been getting me down.
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  Speaker 2: I've been gone so long I don't ever think I'm
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  Speaker 2: coming down I've seen tomorrow and I've seen yesterday.
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  Speaker 19: Well, I see your face again Well, baby, you know
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  Speaker 19: I just can't say Oh.
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  Speaker 15: No, no.
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  Speaker 1: No, I just can't say Baby, I'm coming down I'm
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  Speaker 1: coming down No, I.
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  Speaker 2: Just can't say Baby But I'm coming.
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  Speaker 3: Down Will we see the sunshine, baby? Will we ride
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  Speaker 3: the skies?
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  Speaker 2: Will we find tomorrow, baby? Will we travel time? Will
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  Speaker 2: we see the sunshine, baby?
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  Speaker 3: Will we ride the skies? Will we find tomorrow, baby?
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  Speaker 7: We own the sun.
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  Speaker 3: We own the sky.
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  Speaker 7: We own tomorrow when we want to fly. We own
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  Speaker 7: the sun.
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  Speaker 3: We own the sky.
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  Speaker 6: We own tomorrow when.
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  Speaker 7: We want to fly.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: We own the sun. We own the sky. We own tomorrow.
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  Speaker 10: When we want to fly.
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  Speaker 7: We own the sun.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: We own the sky.
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  Speaker 17: We own tomorrow when we want to fly.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 7: We own the sun.
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  Speaker 3: We own the sky. We own tomorrow when we're one.
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  Speaker 17: We hold the sun, we hold the sky We hold
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  Speaker 17: the fire when we're on the fly We hold the sun,
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  Speaker 17: we hold the sky We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 5: It's all unraveling now. The pressure's on. But they all.
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  Speaker 8: Love you, I mean.
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  Speaker 18: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, Lord. Again, you're always welcome to sit down. I
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  Speaker 5: know you have, like, work you can share.
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  Speaker 2: Hey.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 11: This is Beau.
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  Speaker 7: Hello.
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  Speaker 5: Beau, you're responsible for many of the ridiculous things that
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  Speaker 5: go on during Wonderfest. So how's it going this year?
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  Speaker 11: It's actually going incredibly well. So, knock on wood, I've
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  Speaker 11: probably jinxed myself at this stage to say that I've
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  Speaker 11: had no major snafus of any sort.
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  Speaker 6: And all of our.
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  Speaker 11: Guests have just been fantastic, save Mike.
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  Speaker 5: Troublemaker that he is.
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