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The Internet Is Actually Satan (And This Doc Proves It) (Low and Behlod) · Under the Docs

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  Speaker 1: What happens when you order a dishwasher, but the dishwasher
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  Speaker 2: Under the docks, Yeah, under.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back to Under the Docks.
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  Speaker 6: Paranoida kid Sean Chris, where we watched the doc and
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  Speaker 6: let you know if it sinks or it swims.
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  Speaker 7: Lo and Behold, it's us.
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  Speaker 5: Today, Lo and Behold.
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  Speaker 6: Revises of the Connected World twenty sixteen film by Warner
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  Speaker 6: Hersog and narrated by Werner Hersag. Sometimes I say Werner,
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  Speaker 6: it's Werner. So the etet a santam American. We chop
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  Speaker 6: up names this one to wrap up the month. What
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  Speaker 6: an incredible piece. I mean, you go from DARPA ascerns
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  Speaker 6: to robots taking over the world to Elon Musk on Mars.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 6: Everything that's impact packed up into this ninety ninety five
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  Speaker 6: minute film.
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  Speaker 1: This one is sort of a huge take on Internet
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  Speaker 1: and technology and robotics and just everything from the and
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  Speaker 1: I say with a V. Even though it's a W,
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  Speaker 1: I say with a V. With Werner Herzog his sort
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  Speaker 1: of outlook on technology, you kind of get a glaes
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  Speaker 1: that here. So if you like Berner Herzog, this is
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  Speaker 1: just how he sees the Internet.
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  Speaker 5: Plotting the course.
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  Speaker 6: As you were saying, it's pretty much the Internet and
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  Speaker 6: technology from its creation of the internet to how it
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  Speaker 6: where it's now through the lens of hersaw her song
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  Speaker 6: kind of just like this is my interpretation of it.
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  Speaker 6: He but to his credit, he does a very good
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  Speaker 6: job of finding the right people to interview, finding the
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  Speaker 6: right details that kind of like push the story along
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  Speaker 6: and tell you.
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  Speaker 5: Where it's at. To start it all off, he has.
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  Speaker 6: Ten chapters, right, It's each one a chapter of this
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  Speaker 6: is what's going on, So we're gonna follow it in
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  Speaker 6: that order instead of just taking the claims. There's some
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  Speaker 6: claims in here, but we're gonna more kind of see
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  Speaker 6: what each chapter like kind of like a summary of
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  Speaker 6: what that chapter was trying to tell you, because I
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  Speaker 6: believe he starts from the beginning to end and kind
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  Speaker 6: of like fills in the gaps. So we're gonna go
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  Speaker 6: with the first one, the chapter the early Days where
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  Speaker 6: they overview the creation of the Internet. The first message
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  Speaker 6: ever sent, which was l was it lo GI N
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  Speaker 6: login or whatever? Like they sent part of it and
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  Speaker 6: then said the other part and it was something that
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  Speaker 6: was created in UCLA. But then the ties of DARPA, right,
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  Speaker 6: like then you get the tip like which I was
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  Speaker 6: like wondering are we going to hear that? And I
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  Speaker 6: was the beginning of the movie. It starts out. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 6: you got my attention, man, we're talking about DARPA already,
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  Speaker 6: and and and then they introduce how the Internet was
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  Speaker 6: and these huge giant computers and how they were indestructible,
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  Speaker 6: and they don't really go too much into the DARPA thing.
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  Speaker 5: But they do kind of like lay out that format.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't even think that's conspiracy theory
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  Speaker 1: at this point that the Internet came from being DARPA funded.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy was impressing on how these machines were
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  Speaker 1: made to last a very long time. They were built
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  Speaker 1: like tanks, because I mean that's what DARPA builds, right,
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  Speaker 1: They build weapons of war that are meant to last
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  Speaker 1: through nuclear holocaust if they have to in some cases,
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  Speaker 1: So that this original and the whole reason why this
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  Speaker 1: documentary is called LO and Behold is that the LO
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  Speaker 1: they were originally trying to say, this is the very
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  Speaker 1: first Internet communication ever where you've got these two different
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  Speaker 1: server computers and one guy is trying to send a message.
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  Speaker 1: It says login, and apparently all you had to do
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  Speaker 1: was type log and the system would know that you're
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  Speaker 1: asking for login.
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  Speaker 7: It was like a shortcut.
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  Speaker 1: But they only send an L and then they sent
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  Speaker 1: an O, and then after the other computer received the O,
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  Speaker 1: it crashed. So the first message of the Internet ever
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  Speaker 1: was l O. And I actually thought that was one
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  Speaker 1: of the more interesting points of this whole documentary is that, like,
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  Speaker 1: our historical record of this monumentous occasion is just in
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  Speaker 1: this little log book. And it technically started on a bug,
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  Speaker 1: right the very first message crashed halfway through, so they
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  Speaker 1: didn't even get to type out the fur L, the
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  Speaker 1: full log. They just got to L O and then crash.
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  Speaker 6: I felt seeing that part that every IT guy in
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  Speaker 6: the world was like, yeah, no one for man, no
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  Speaker 6: wonder never works how it's supposed to work. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: at my work, sometimes you have to turn off the computer,
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  Speaker 6: turn off the label printer, turn the printer back on,
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  Speaker 6: restart the computer, and then it will print like the
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  Speaker 6: ten labels that I kept pressing the button on. So
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  Speaker 6: like it was just kind of incredible of you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: this is how technology. It wasn't like, yeah, guys, we
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  Speaker 6: completed it. We're like, oh yeah, a fail, epic fail.
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  Speaker 6: Then they kind of get into the next chapter the
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  Speaker 6: glory of the Internet. They paint like the positive aspects
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  Speaker 6: of what the internet can offer, and he does a
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  Speaker 6: really good job in this movie of comparing contrast in
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  Speaker 6: all of his movies. He does interject, but he does
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  Speaker 6: give enough of each topic and the person's perspective of
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  Speaker 6: how they think of it. They get into a little
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  Speaker 6: bit of the positive benefits and showcase like.
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  Speaker 5: They made a video game that.
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  Speaker 6: Was helping to figure out RNA sequences and how that
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  Speaker 6: you know, if there's only a few of them, but
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  Speaker 6: now there's millions of people across the world that have
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  Speaker 6: actually been able to help and figure out these sequences
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  Speaker 6: that can solve.
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  Speaker 5: The you know, AIDS and cancer.
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  Speaker 6: That's how they preface it as Again, mind you, when
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  Speaker 6: I'm saying a lot of this stuff. This was from
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  Speaker 6: twenty sixteen and it's ten years later and a lot
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  Speaker 6: has not maybe hasn't panned out. How they think it's
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  Speaker 6: going to pan out, right, Like it's dissimilar to like
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  Speaker 6: watching the Jetsons in the seventies or eighties and you're like, oh, dude,
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  Speaker 6: they're about to have flying planes and flying carshere. Bro
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  Speaker 6: Like everybody's going to be flying around in a little
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  Speaker 6: flying spaceship. They also highlight this is something that I
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  Speaker 6: liked is that they highlighted Tim Burns and his creation
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  Speaker 6: of the World Wide Web, another guy that was associated
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  Speaker 6: with a lot of these organizations that were like hmm,
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  Speaker 6: he's associated with coming up with the idea while working
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  Speaker 6: at CERN.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: And then they also start kind of like highlighting about
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  Speaker 6: these autonomous vehicles and how like Harvard and some of
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  Speaker 6: the other Ivy League schools were having these, you know,
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  Speaker 6: challenges of who could make the best autonomous vehicle, and
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  Speaker 6: they painted the picture of how there's so much help.
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  Speaker 5: Like even they have a scene where they have.
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  Speaker 6: These robotics soccer players and they're like, maybe they'll take
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  Speaker 6: over soccer one day, and the guy that's making is like,
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  Speaker 6: this is my favorite robot. He's kind of like messy,
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  Speaker 6: like he's like talking about him like they're real people.
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  Speaker 1: This is Robot number eight. He's kind of a celebrity
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  Speaker 1: around here.
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  Speaker 6: And then I'm going to go on to to me
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  Speaker 6: the dark side of the Internet. So this is where
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  Speaker 6: they kind of get, you know, emotional like, but it's true, right,
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  Speaker 6: like all of this. When I was watching this, I
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  Speaker 6: was like open minded and saying, okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 6: They they talk in one instance of the bad parts
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  Speaker 6: of the Internet where some girl I think she had
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  Speaker 6: a mental breakdown and they were gonna put her in
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  Speaker 6: the hospital. The family there, let me recap there talking
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  Speaker 6: to the family of a young sixteen year old that
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  Speaker 6: was having mental issues and they thought she was going
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  Speaker 6: to have to stay in the hospital because she's had
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  Speaker 6: some episodes in the past. She stole the parents car.
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  Speaker 6: Turns out she got into a bad accident. They make
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  Speaker 6: it sound like, I don't know if she got decapitated.
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  Speaker 7: I got a little the cat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she stole Doddy's Porsche and then immediately got decapitated
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  Speaker 1: after she ran into a truck, and uh, yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 6: And then they come to find out this is the
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  Speaker 6: early days of the Internet, and some dude is like filming.
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  Speaker 6: It took a picture. I'm not sure if it was
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  Speaker 6: a picture of video like to be MYO.
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  Speaker 7: It was the first responder.
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  Speaker 1: It was like one of the first responders showed up
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  Speaker 1: and he recorded and he took he took pictures of
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  Speaker 1: it with his cell phone that was in his pocket.
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  Speaker 7: And this was kind of showing in.
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  Speaker 1: The early days of everyone's got a camera now and
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  Speaker 1: everyone's got an internet connection, and how he just took
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  Speaker 1: it and he sent it to some of his friends
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  Speaker 1: and then hit the internet.
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  Speaker 6: And what hit me in that scene too is just
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  Speaker 6: like you saw a lot of like how people things
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  Speaker 6: affect people differently. So this family saw the video or
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  Speaker 6: photo that was being passed around. And also because the
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  Speaker 6: Internet can be as cesspool of.
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  Speaker 5: Bad people man, shitty people.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what the other way to explain it,
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  Speaker 6: they were emailing him the stuff about his daughter and
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  Speaker 6: kind of like yeah to get and like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, some weirdo found out about the story,
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  Speaker 6: found uh that stuff. It started sending to them and
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  Speaker 6: they get into the cyber bullying aspect of like what
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  Speaker 6: could we do? There's no laws and you know, this
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  Speaker 6: is the wild West, and everybody's kind of like talking
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  Speaker 6: about the Internet as what we kind of know, like
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  Speaker 6: now with all the censorship a lot different in twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of this stuff. It kind of made me
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  Speaker 6: think of, like wow, the way they're talking and the
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  Speaker 6: mom's like, well, I believe the Internet satan, Like I
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  Speaker 6: believe the Internet is the devil and it's no good
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  Speaker 6: of it, and like I don't want my kids because
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  Speaker 6: it has harmed her so much.
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  Speaker 5: Then they dolve into another side of like video game.
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  Speaker 6: Addicts and people that are just like stuck on the Internet,
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  Speaker 6: and the mental health crisis that it is creating. Because
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  Speaker 6: you've got to imagine social media what has been around
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  Speaker 6: almost ten years at this point in twenty sixteen, I
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  Speaker 6: think Facebook and stuff was two thousand and seven, two
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  Speaker 6: thousand and eight, another darper creation. Might I add that
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  Speaker 6: the social aspect and the mental health of teenagers at
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  Speaker 6: that time is starting to be in question. And they
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  Speaker 6: interview a couple of people about their addiction to video
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  Speaker 6: games and stuff of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many, like ten different chapters, and each chapter's
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  Speaker 1: got like five or six different topics in it. The
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest fire statements was that
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  Speaker 1: mom from the Decapitated Girl and her her exact quote was,
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  Speaker 1: Internet is a manifestation of the Antichrist. Internet is evil itself,
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  Speaker 1: and it's and even if it's not a physical evil,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the spirit of evil. And now that there's
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  Speaker 1: a spirit of evil, that we all can be influenced
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  Speaker 1: by it. And I was like, man, she should come
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  Speaker 1: on as a guest, like she's right at home on
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  Speaker 1: like any kind of conspiracy theme podcast, right that the
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  Speaker 1: Internet is the Antichrist itself. I thought that was such
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  Speaker 1: a wild and sort of relevant statement. And this isn't
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  Speaker 1: her like this is I can understand her thinking. What
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  Speaker 1: brought her to that is because what happens is the
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  Speaker 1: Internet is so cruel that as soon as this story
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  Speaker 1: got out, people were literally sending them hate mail like
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  Speaker 1: your daughter deserved it and like you should be next,
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  Speaker 1: and all this stuff. And as soon as you hear that,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if you're brand new to the world, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: why would anyone do that? Then someone's like, oh, they're
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  Speaker 1: emails being sent. You're like, oh, oh right, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: know I get it now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of it's messed up, but you're just
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  Speaker 6: like kind of second nature. Man, especially ten years later
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  Speaker 6: from this film, you're like, oh, you mean Twitter every day?
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  Speaker 5: Like you know what I mean, this is.
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  Speaker 6: See the baseline of Twitter if you started, because I've
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  Speaker 6: had a mini counts of nuked when you start at
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  Speaker 6: the baseline of a new account, like you see all
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  Speaker 6: these murder videos like crazy, like oh guy got shot,
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  Speaker 6: guy getting hit, Like that's like the baseline of Twitter.
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  Speaker 6: So like, yeah, we have devolved a little more since
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  Speaker 6: this film. And another thing that was in this chapter
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  Speaker 6: that I found fascinating is they talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the rise of cyber threats and and they you see
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  Speaker 6: the formulation.
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  Speaker 5: Of the beginning of like, hey guys, you know cyber terrorism.
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  Speaker 6: Like they don't push it too much, but they talk
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  Speaker 6: about Titan Rain, which was a huge cyber attack that
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  Speaker 6: hit the US government, and they kind of focus on it.
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  Speaker 6: The guy I forgot the guy's name, but he's he's
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  Speaker 6: kind of implicating in one line where he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I mean everything's attached to the nuclear programs
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  Speaker 6: and stuff. It could be hacked and basically just blow
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  Speaker 6: up the world. He doesn't say that I'm paraphrasing, but
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  Speaker 6: that's kind of like where he was pushing it towards well.
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  Speaker 1: Herzov does a really good job in this particular section
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  Speaker 1: of the documentary about making a cohesive narrative without interjecting
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  Speaker 1: his own opinion. He's like letting other people completely in
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  Speaker 1: separate interviews, but like leading you through this thing. So
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  Speaker 1: first he ends up talking to Kevin Mitnick, who is
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  Speaker 1: like the world's acclaim most famous hacker whatever. He's been
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  Speaker 1: referenced in books and TV and movies and all over
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  Speaker 1: the plate, even if you don't know who that name is.
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  Speaker 1: He's worked his way into almost every aspect of popular
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  Speaker 1: culture as like the hacker. And he has an interview
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  Speaker 1: with Kevin Mitnick, and even Mitnick himself is talking about
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  Speaker 1: how easy some of this like quote unquote hacking is
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  Speaker 1: and that even with all his hacking ability. At one
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  Speaker 1: point this is early I think, this isn't like the eighties.
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  Speaker 1: But he ends up call finding out the phone numbers
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  Speaker 1: or something to like FBI agents they are on his case,
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  Speaker 1: and like uses that to figure out who the prosecutor is.
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  Speaker 1: And then now that he knows who the FBI agents
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  Speaker 1: and the prosecutors are, he can find out who they
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  Speaker 1: they know and their friends and their colleagues. And at
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  Speaker 1: one point he just calls someone up and he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't get access to some report, and the person
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  Speaker 1: over the phone just gives him like the username and
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  Speaker 1: password to just log in and look. So like a
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  Speaker 1: large part of that hacking is just social hacking. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like using your social connections to like get all
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  Speaker 1: this different information. And then it goes on to talk
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  Speaker 1: about how this this this program where China was essentially
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  Speaker 1: hacking the United States for three years straight and they
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. They just see a bunch of traffic,
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  Speaker 1: and then slowly they realized, oh, it's this coordinated attack
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  Speaker 1: because now cyber security is part of international policy and
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  Speaker 1: some governments, and that this was them trying to figure out, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who runs this company, who do they know? Can we
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  Speaker 1: compromise people that they know in order to get to
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  Speaker 1: this top thing? And just imagine that on the corporate scale,
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  Speaker 1: the military scale, just all across everything, and that maybe
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  Speaker 1: China got the lead on us, maybe like we should
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  Speaker 1: have been hacking them before they started hacking us. But
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the cooler moments, was hearing some
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  Speaker 1: of that and the guy keeps going like I can't
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  Speaker 1: really talk about more than this, and even her Zog
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  Speaker 1: is like was this the name of the program, And
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  Speaker 1: the guy's like just nodding silently.
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  Speaker 5: Without but to go back to the hacker party.
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  Speaker 6: That was one of my favorite parts because he actually
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  Speaker 6: they called up Motorola to find like these people's like information,
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  Speaker 6: and he's like talking to the lady and he's like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like words in and kind of charming her
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  Speaker 6: and getting everything, and she's like, well, actually, I don't
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  Speaker 6: have access to that, and as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 6: I'll go to our cybersecurity chief and he's like.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 6: He's like panicking and she goes to the chief and
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  Speaker 6: he's like, well I talked to her, and he's like
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  Speaker 6: oh man, and he says there's nothing we could do,
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  Speaker 6: and he's like relieve that he's not going to jail.
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  Speaker 5: He thinks he's getting busted.
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  Speaker 6: And the cyber security chief is like, oh, he said,
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  Speaker 6: he'll give you his log in so you could log
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  Speaker 6: in and get this information. It was just like you said,
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  Speaker 6: like it's funny because everything's always thought of as like again,
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  Speaker 6: I love that her say does this in his films
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  Speaker 6: is we have this notion of what we think hackers are, right, like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: they're always yeah, but it's also charm and little human
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  Speaker 6: connections and being able to sway people as just as
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  Speaker 6: much as he's getting into like actual digital system.
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  Speaker 1: They don't mention this in this documentary, but a fairly
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  Speaker 1: popular line of thinking and being like a hackers, you
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  Speaker 1: always focus on the weakest link. And now with all
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  Speaker 1: these you know, two thousand bit encryptions and stuff, that
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  Speaker 1: the weakest link tends to be a human. So now
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  Speaker 1: in order to hack something, you just figure out a
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  Speaker 1: way to get someone to tell you their password and
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  Speaker 1: then the rest of it's easy.
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  Speaker 7: And then the.
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  Speaker 6: Next chapter is life without the Internet. They kind of
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  Speaker 6: focus on like people that are away from you know that,
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  Speaker 6: Uh they have this big piece of land and uh,
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  Speaker 6: they get all the frequencies out of there.
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  Speaker 5: I'm probably butchering how it's done.
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  Speaker 6: But they also focus on this group of people that
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  Speaker 6: claim to have frequency illness and that these frequencies from
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: the cell phones and internet and I'm guessing even radio
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: state because I mean it, the cell towers are not
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: the first frequencies that have been introduced, but maybe those
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: are higher frequencies whatever, we can niitpick on that, but
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: they do have a dramatic scene where the ladies like
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: crying and explaining how at least to the aspect of
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: if it's real or not. I don't know this illness,
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: but she really feels like she's affected by it, and
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: her say even asked her like, what's it called, and
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: they kind of don't say, and it goes to the
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: next scene. But it was like people trying to be
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: off the grid and explaining how technology is ruining their life.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: And I got some more insight on this.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: They don't mention the exact mechanics of this place or
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like a lot of the contexts, but it was Green Bank,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: which is in West Virginia, and this specific place is
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: called the National Radio Quiet Zone or the NRQZ, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the NRQZ is this place. It's a thirteen thousand square
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: miles and it's designed specifically to have minimal radio interference
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: because there's an observatory there and the observatory has these
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: very sensitive radio telescopes. So originally it was created this
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the area so that the radio telescopes wouldn't have interference.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: So there's no cell towers out there. You can't get
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a cell signal, you can't get like internet unless it's hardwired, essentially.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And what this did is it it ended up having
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: this weird side effect that the original reason for it
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was for scientific you know, telescopes. But because there's no
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: self towers in that area, then people that have this
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this you know, an unknown diagnosis I guess is not
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: currently recognized by modern science, that they have an over
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: sensitivity to frequencies and that if they go to this
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: area that has no radio frequencies then they're fine. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen the TV show
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Better Call Saul, which is about the lawyer in Breaking Bad.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: He's got a brother that's a very successful lawyer and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: then he develops this I guess like frequency sensitivity and
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: has to move away, gets his electricity shut off. He
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: wears tinfoil hat all the time and like a little
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: tinfoil shroud. You're not allowed to bring a cell phone
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: into his house. You got to like put it in
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the mailbox outside. So this is like a common theme
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: that you'll see sometimes, usually as ridicule. It's usually like,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: look at this idiot that thinks that microwaves and cell
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: phones are hurting them. But this lady that you're talking about,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: she kind of breaks down crying, and she's basically saying,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you have no idea how inconvenient this is. You think
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to an apartment and
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: use a microwave and watch TV and talk to my
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: friends on the phone. And because I guess part of
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the thinking is like, oh, you think that you're such
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: an evolved hippie that you're going to live out into
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the woods and have no technology, and now you're going
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to complain a technology is so evil that it makes
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you physically sick. And these people are like, no, it
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: really does make us physically sick, and no one recognizes
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: this as a true illness, And as far as I
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: can tell, there's no There still isn't a scientific explanation
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: for what happens in any of this. Just like one
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of the ladies that we're talking to, I think she
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: mentions the Schumann residence isn't called the human resonance. But
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: she's talking about how you know if you sleep on
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the ground and the dirt that the earth is vibrating
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: at seven point eight three hurts, and that this is
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the you know frequency of nature and YadA YadA.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: You hear this a lot too.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I think she even says, like they say, like, who
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the hell is they that this is like this hippie logic,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: But there really is reported effects on you know, nature
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and on animals at these certain resonance between like seven
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: and eight arts, even though there's not any kind of
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: conclusive scientific and here's how it works and here's why
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it works.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: So I don't know.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Every time that I think of the better call saulve
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: version of a guy that can't be around cell phones
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: because he gets sick, you think mental illness. But then
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: you see these these people and they're like, no, it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just very like I'm crying because I'm so inconvenient.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: And then he gets into Earthly Invaders dabbles a little
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: bit because I like how it kind of blends. It's
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: almost like listening to an album right. Watching his films
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: is like listening to an album where you're like, oh,
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: he's setting up, like you know what I'm saying like that,
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: and it's like a not just an any album, like
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: classic old albums, like like we talked about like the
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: Prince Paul, like an album where you're telling a story
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: because like at the end of that one is that
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: they're kind of talking about, you know, space invaders and
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: kind of dabbling with UFOs. I liked how we drags
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: things together, and then he starts talking about like robots
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: and autonomous vehicles even more, and how they're gonna take
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: over human jobs out of necessity, and like they focus
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: on this one robot and how it will close a
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: valve so like the nuclear facility in Japan could have
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: been prevented and that like a human couldn't have been
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: in there, but a robot could have been in there.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: And then it starts getting into this like question that
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: like now I think we're getting even closer to is
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: what jobs should robots take over and which robots should
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: they not? And you know, you get the aspects of
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: like the people that are like, yeah, robots are going
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: to take over these jobs. It is what it is,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: bro like what are you gonna do? And kind of
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: like the human aspect of it. They don't dab too
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: much of like what like they're not talking to workers.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I like, hey, he's taking my union job.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: They more put it into the perspective of these super
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: super dangerous jobs.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: That a human couldn't do.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: There's one guy too, I can't quote him directly, but
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he makes such a good point at the end, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he's like, what happened and I'm gonna paraphrase what happens
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: when you order a dishwasher, but the dishwasher is so
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: advanced that you fall in love with your dishwasher, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: now you like, you don't want your dishwasher to wash
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: dishes anymore because it has this other deeper fulfillment. Doesn't
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that kind of make it a crappy dishwasher, like, even
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: if it's so good that it's so advanced and it ends
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: up not washing And he's and I think the point
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that they're starting to make is that that once robots
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: are doing all of these menial and like manual tasks,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it's gonna start with things that we can't do, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: then it's going to think turn into things that we
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: don't want to do, and then it's going to just
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: turn into pretty much everything, and it goes into the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And it's weird because this documentary is already what like
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: six years old or something.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: Ten damn dude, six.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: But the point that you make is great because what
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: he said was he said. Hersey asked him like, well,
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: what about these things, because they were talking about how
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: it thinks, right, he was saying, oh, well, it's kind
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: of like they do dream because they're analyzing what dreams are.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: And then he's like, oh, well, you know they do
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: think they're they're analyzing different ways they can move the
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: valve and how they should shut it off and this,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: and then and then he's like, well if they could.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Think, like, does that mean they can love?
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: And they can He's like, that's when he makes the
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: comment about the dishwasher and refrigerator, and I think that
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: takes us into the next chapter.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: The artificial intelligence and.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: The mindset of it was these people were like, no, no,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: they're just going to do these jobs that we need
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: to do. And they could not even think like, oh,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: nobody would fall in love with an ai, do this
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: with Ai, and then to see where we're at, like
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: they thought would be farthering some aspects and that other
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: aspects wouldn't happen. And it is kind of cool to
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: watch that we're ten years ahead of it and we're like, yeah,
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: but that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Didn't pan out how you thought it was gonna pan out.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: And they really thought like they get like, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Elon Musk is this is when Elon Musk starts entering
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: the chat more and more right, like because.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Elon big bat elo. Oh, we got to watch out
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: for artificial intelligence.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: And I think people throw it out there, like cause
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: you see Elon talking about how we need to do
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: this and it's it's gonna help us, it's gonna save humanity.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: And then some other people are like, yeah, it's like
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: you know it will help, but what is artificial intelligence?
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: And from where they thought we're gonna be like they
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: were like, it's not like it's gonna make music or anything.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, really like that, Like they made
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: a couple of comments in the film that you're like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: we do that now, like you know what I mean,
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Like we're able to people have fallen in love and
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: are actually falling in love with robots and AI. They're like, yeah, right, dude,
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: why would some of all in love with their fridge?
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: And then you're like, no, they're not fall in love
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: with refrigerator. They're falling in love with a fembot that
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: has an AI persona that has been like developed and
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: looking how they wanted to look. And it speaks to them,
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: and they there's people that are talking in their chatbots
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: right now, like a is the under the docks good
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: enough for me to watch?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Like this is how I felt.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: And then they're communicating with this thing that they're thinking
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: that is their friend.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It's also wild to see because this is pre Twitter
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk. In fact, Elon Musk is only here because
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: he's had a SpaceX and they don't even really play
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: up his involvement in Tesla, and when they talk about
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: autonomous driving, they don't even talk to him. They talked
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: two completely different people. So now watching this ten years
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in the future, like Tesla or Elon Musk has got
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: his fingers in all these different categories that he goes into.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: There's like twenty categories, and he tactically could have had
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: his like even on the Internet bullying one, right, like
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk is also sort of at the head of
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: the Internet bullying at this point.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: And then they get into the Internet and me where
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: you know, social media's aspect of it. Because this was,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: like I said, like what ten years into the social
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: media experiment, everybody has an iPhone pretty much or an
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Android smartphone in their pocket, and ten years after that,
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: and it's kind of like a where he's following, like
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: even in that spend of time of how like you
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: know the influence, which is even crazier now because I
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: was like, dude, there wasn't even TikTok back then, so
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: there was heavy influence, but TikTok found a whole new
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: way to like really manipulate stuff. And this was the
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: peak of where we saw like, hey, Facebook could be
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: dangerous for the youth, or it could be dangerous for
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: some people that are easily lost from reality, and it
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: can take you into these dangerous places. It could be
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: good and positive and through the South this film they
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: talk about, you know, the double edged sword, and then
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: they get into the dangers of the overconnection, right like
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: where they're like people are like overly communicating and getting
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: too much details and it is turning people's minds into
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: all craziness.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: And I think that's where we're at now, like you can.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Evaluate, like, yah, maybe that's why so many people like
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: dehumanized people. It started out little where it's some guy
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: that probably thinks it's funny that I'm going to email
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: this guy in what twenty fifteen or fourteen whenever this
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: guy's daughter passed away and was decapitated, and someone put
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: it up and then someone found the video of it
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: and was like, hey, let me send it this guy.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: It's going to be funny. Now we've created.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: These wars right of where there's these people that are
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: like it is absolutely the devil, I cannot use it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: Or it's like, oh no, it's cool, man, that's a joke,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: and like we have this.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Growing hatred amongst each other from what this division we
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: cause from the Internet.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I think Elon Musk makes one of the better points
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in this. And he's talking about AI. And if you
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: tell AI, hey, make as much money as you can,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you know, like here here, you're an investment computer.
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: Make as much money as you can.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And he said, like there's a version of AI that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: would say, okay, let me short all small business stocks
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and go long on sort of like defense stocks, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: then start a war. Make like humans start warring with
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: each other, because historically this is when these big transfers
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of wealth happen. So now all of a sudden, if
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: AI is learning from Okay, well, how do humans make money? Oh,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: humans make money by going the war. Let me start
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: a war. That this is like a very real logical
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: outcome of just letting them kind of.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Take the wheel a little bit.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So that one was a kind of a poignant observation
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: by him.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: And I'm going to wrap up because there's I know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: there's a lot, because like you said, there's like ten
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: chapters and there's like five to six. But it's it's
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: crazy how like you're getting It's not overloaded, but it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: just so much stuff and it runs actually pretty smooth.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: But the last two chapters are Surveillance Culture, the Price
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: of Connectivity, and the future. So like this is when
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: you're seeing like not the peak yet, we're starting to
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: get there. But by twenty sixteen, the survey Island State
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: was up and running, right, Like, this is a big deal.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: This is Snowed in time telling us about the NSA
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: and what they're not only just saving videos and.
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Phone calls of us. We have audio, and it's only
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: stepped even more.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: I'm sure, like as we all have our cameras right now,
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: we have to put our shield down every now and then.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: This is like kind of the beginning stages of that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Well, what they're talking about is metadata, and that's what
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Snowden was talking about. Metadata, And it sounds so abstract,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: maybe for like a nefarious reason that it's abstracted. But
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: metadata is like if you don't tell the computer who
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you are. If you think you're anonymous, you know, heavy
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: air quotes, you think you're anonymous online, you still have
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: certain types of behavior. You're gonna have some kind of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a fingerprint in how long it takes you to type,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and the types of different sites you open up, how
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: many you open up, how quickly you read them and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: close them. All those different tiny little metrics start to
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: together and form sort of a fingerprint for you. So
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: even if you think you're anonymous, you can use all
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: this other metadata to sort of pinpoint maybe not you
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: down to the individual person, but at least to like
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a generalized group of like here's the type of person
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you are. So no matter how hard you try to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: become anonymous, all this metadata is going to follow you around,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: even if you're using VPNs and like air gap thing
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: like everything across the board. And this this not in
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: this documentary, but this one I like to like into
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: how everyone's like I'll never get the mark of the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: beast man, I'll never get the chip.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: Right in the in the eighties and nineties, it was.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: About there, the government's gonna chip you, and they're gonna
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: track you with these chips. But then if we just
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: get a phone, like now we just carry the chip
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: with us just in our pocket instead of inside our phones,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: but having it on you like most people's phones and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: like smart watches. They're analyzing your heartbeat, how fast you're walking,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: how far you're walking, where you're going, like.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: So all of that is the metadata.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So even if it's not allowed to track that, this
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: is paranoid American walking right now. They can pretty much
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: figure out who you are just based on your movement
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and your activity. And that they really they hone in
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: at the end of this documentary how all that extra
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: metadata is going to be the thing that identifies you
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: even if you think you're being anonymous.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: Hidden treasures and overboard moments. I'm gonna let you start,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: but there is this is another man. I just think
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: her sage gotta give him. It's I'm gonna be given
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: so much profits because there's nothing, but there's a lot
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: of treasures you could go on. We could do a
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: whole series of the treasures just in this film.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I didn't go through the chapter by chapter.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I just made a list of all the different topics
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: that he's able to go through, and mind you, he's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: able to weave these so that one leads in to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the next, and it almost has this narrative. So I'd
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: say that the ultimate hidden treasure is how he's able
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to create. And these are the different ones he goes
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: through in order. He goes from RNA to driving cars,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to soccer to a decapitated girl, to astronomy and the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: guy that lives out in the middle of nowhere to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Internet addiction, and then he starts talking about solar flares
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and how the world might end if we lose all
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: this technology, hacker con anonymity versus being tracked, SpaceX dreams,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and then also the very last thing they start talking
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: about at the end is how these guys are using
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: MRI machines and they're using it to analyze your thoughts
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: and your dreams. And they even show you, and this
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: is in twenty sixteen. Again, they're showing you what they
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: have at this moment in time, and they make this
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: claim that whether you are silently thinking about something, or
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: if you're watching a video of it, or if you're
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: daydreaming about it, that the neural pathways that light up
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: are similar enough that it doesn't matter whether you're reading
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: about it or seeing a video or daydreaming, that the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: sequence of events that they can map in your head
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: are letting them know, like, oh, you're thinking about a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: pack of elephants walking by or something like, they will
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: actually know that just based on your MRI readings.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: And he makes this claim that telepathy.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: The only difference between what they're doing in telepathy is
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that what they're doing they can only read it within millimeters.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: But if you were to be able to read.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: It from feet away or from miles away, Now all
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're talking about legitimate telepathy, and that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the only difference between all of this is just how
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: far the science has brought us.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: And he makes another.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Claim that how sci fi usually misses the biggest innovations ever,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: like none of the sci fi books, And you brought
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: this up earlier on, but we're all waiting for you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: driving cars, and you know, Jetson's kind of stuff, and
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we don't have that. We don't have like a rosy
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: c our clothes and like a little robot assistant yet.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: But what we do have is the Internet, and none
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of the old sci fi stories necessarily honed in on
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: something as important as the Internet.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't feel the key, like right, the key
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: thing into I'm glad you said the Internet because one
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: of my hidden treasures, because I could go on forever.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: But I wanted to put something because it kind of
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: made you said this before, Like you know, I like
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: when it teaches me something or shows me, which there's
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: a lot that it showed me. But one thing I
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: never heard about was Ted Nelson and his different concept
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: of the Internet and like how he was like more
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: talking about the concept of hypertext and he was super
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: super duper about this. Like I really liked how he
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: kind of like had a different approach because I've never
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: really thought about it. I've only thought about like, oh,
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: the Internet's created, that's what. But yeah, of course there
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: would be other people, like even if you go from
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: Tesla and Edison, right, the two different types of ways
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: of getting to the same problem. And you know, I
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: wanted to know more about him, so I'm going to
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: research more and more about him because it talks about
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: like his you know, ambitions. It's still to this day,
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: he's like no, this is the wrong way. He's mad
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: about the copy and paste. He's like, that's not the
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: way you do what he wanted. But his concept is
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: how we got hyperlinks, right, that's what like they talk about.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: And his to me is like the definition of innovation
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: of where you have somebody that has an alternative perspective,
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: but instead of collaborating with him throughout history, we steal
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: some of the good ideas, toss them aside and make
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: them look crazy, and then they're just still there.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Because he has the quote of like.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: You know, well, some people say, you know, doing the
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: same thing over and over again as insanity, he's all,
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: but also there's it's if you first don't succeed, try
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: and try and try again. He's like, I prefer the latter.
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: So it's almost like inspiring to see someone like that
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: that has still had that completely idea that he was
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: there for the birth of it and they went to
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: a totally different direction, and he's still sticking to his guns, like.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: No, man, this is the right way to do it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Fully, I'm not going to pretend like I totally understand
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: what his approach to the Internet is because I've been
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: bombarded by the only one that actually exists out there.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: But what his use case for it was the Bible. Right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: He's showing how between the actual like nicean text versus
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the apocrypha, how one story in the accepted Saint James
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: ends here, but then it continues in this other book,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and then after that story ends, you can go back
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: to the main book. And he's using that as his
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: original idea for these links and these hypertext is that,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and this is my understanding, is that, And he starts
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: ranting about people shouldn't be copying and pasting. That's not
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the way it works, because the way the internet works
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: now is that someone will be like, okay, let me
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: grab that section of the Bible and put it on
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: this web page and explain how it connects to this
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: other thing. And it's like, no, you shouldn't be making copies.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You should just be linking to the original things. So
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: now when anyone goes to the original thing, then it's like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: and here's all these things that link to it, versus
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: here's a million different takes on this exact same topic
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: that only very a little bit here and there.
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: So I don't fully understand.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: How you would have rolled out the Internet as the
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: way that he's describing it. But yet he definitely has
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a completely different perspective on how all this works, and
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I'm positive in his head, I'm sure it works way better.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, just like we saw with the General
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Magic movie, sometimes having the right idea, if you're ahead
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: of time, it's maybe even worse than being behind the times.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Is that time around sink or swim?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I'll start it off. I think that spoiler. All these
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: are good, So this one's another swim for me. Although
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: out of the three we watched, I think it's I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like Grizzly Man the most, followed by Cave of Forgotten
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Dreams and follow by this one, Lo and Behold, But man,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I feel so spoiled. Like watching this one, it was
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like I've had too much lobster. I don't know, maybe
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a little full on lobster at this point, right,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and then the next day you wake up and you're like, oh,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: there's only cold pizza in the fridge. Man, what about
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: those days when I was turning down lobster? Right, So
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a swim in that case, but it
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: maybe doesn't hold up to the same interest level but man,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: as soon as this documentary ended, I went and I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: checked the time code again. I'm like, I don't know
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: how Werner is able to take all this information and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: craft it in such a clever way and do it
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: ninety minutes like every damn time. And it just makes
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: me think of all the documentaries we've watched are like
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: two or three times the length of this one that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: don't even say a tenth of what he gets into.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: So it's it's sort of a masterclass and here's here's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: what a documentary looks like.
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: He's gonna get the trifecta for me as well. That's
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: three swims in a row. I don't know if it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: the only one, but I would say there are all
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: Michael Phelps and it's like comparing, like I would put
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: one the low and behold slightly up over Grizzly Man.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: But like it's close. Man, it's hard to because I
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: like both of them because but for different reasons, right, Like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: but they both have that aspect what a great filmmaker. Man.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: I think this film exploring like the different aspects of
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: the Internet, Like I like how he focuses on the
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: human aspect of it, Like even when he's talking about
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: the guys with the MRI machine and they're they're talking
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: about dreams, and they're talking about like, oh man, you
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: never know some of my inventive little headset that we
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: could put on and then we could just read each
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: other's minds, you know what I mean? Like the endless possibilities.
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: He gets these these people and he brings out something
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: I don't think everybody can do like this is a
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: true master classman. He's in a class of his own.
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: This is probably my favorite filmmaker right now. It's it's
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: gonna be tough to beat because you get so much
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: great shots with a great narrative. He has the even
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: though they make fun of him, but when you're good
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: at shit, that's how you get made fun of. He
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: has the perfect narrator voice, the perfect pattern of how
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: he explains things. He puts a human touch to this.
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: I would say, hands down to my best filmmaker so far.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: On the horizon, what do we got next?
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Not sure?
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: But what we do got next is you could go
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: to Paranoid American dot com and kill the Mockingbirds dot
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: com and get you some merch heehaw.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you what's coming next. It's gonna
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: be Waco Month. We're gonna be talking about three or
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: maybe four or maybe five different Waco documentaries, and we're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: gonna get to the bottom of this whole thing and
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: figure it out.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Don't worry, We'll watch the doc and let you know
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: if it sinks or swim. This is under the docks piece.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Under the dogs.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, under the dogs.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Very people, we're breaking the locks. Funny could they erasele
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: the shots? They got the dogs?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Under the dogs, Under the dogs, Yeah, under the dogs,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Under the dogs. Chess by sothing, chess by solthing from.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Perian you're American, Jesus by song.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Just buy something.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: From hearing, nor American.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Get some merch by some artdealing to cars, say you're back,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: need that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Print now your hey, you consent by your comic three
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: your phone, think the start.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: I one more, buy your stick from the store, think
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: the start. I want more.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: By something.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Just by shoping from hearing No American.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Just by shoping, just by shop.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: From parent noid American.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: I screw led my life for wag drifting.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: The right to pay, will any light to bring if
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• 44:08
  Speaker 4: of blaze, somewhat of an amazing feel. When it's real,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: the real, you will engage in your favorite the pouse,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: the lord of an arrangement. I gave you the proper
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: results to hit the pavement.
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: If they get emotional hate.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Maybe your language the game, how they playing it well
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: without lake's evaded, and whatever the costs they are.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: The shape ship.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Thanks get to cappeltated that it is the apex executional flame.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: You walt lookular bombs distributedy war rather gruesome.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: For eyes to see.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Max him out that I light my trees blowing off
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: in the face. You're despising me for what thought calculated
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: that rather cutthroat perinoid American must be all the blunt
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: spoke for real, Lord, give me your day, your wave,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: bake cake. They wait around that hate whatever they say, Man,
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: it's not in the least bit. We get heavy rotate
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: when the bat hits some things. That's you well from
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Uncle Jiggers. For real, You welcome. They ain't never had
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: a deal. You welcome, man, They like you a pill.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: You welcome, Yet they go when it's still You welcome.