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MotoGP rumors are heating up — plus a full breakdown of the wild 2015 season in S6 Ep 06 · B 4EVA Kool "Race A Motorcycle" Podcast

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  You listen to the Be Forever Cool podcast.
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  My name is Rex 45. We're going to have some fun
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  tonight, like we do every show. We're going to be talking about
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  the 2015 season. Lewis got a lot to say about the
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  2015 season and the point of view that I think he's going to
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  convince people that the world might be flat.
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  With no further ado, though. We're going to keep it moving,
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  get everybody introduced. We're going to also talk about
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  some of these rumors because there's a lot of crazy, silly
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  things happening. You know, it's been a long time
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  that I see somebody try to marry themselves or a motorcycle.
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  So that was pretty cool to see. We're going to chop it up and
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  see what that's about. My name is Rex 45.
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  TJ, man, welcome to the show. How you doing tonight man?
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  I'm doing good man. We got racing ahead of us,
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  testing tomorrow and World Super Bike starting.
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  The season's here, so. I got I got one question for
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  you. You have your protest banner
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  ready because Bill Belichick didn't make the first time to
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  get into the Hall of Fame. I think Eagles fan might have
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  had something to do with it. But we'll see what Reese got to
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  say in a minute. You a little bit upset about
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  that? I mean, as long as he gets in
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  there, that's all I, I, I, that's all that matters to me.
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  I mean, it is kind of disrespectful of like what he's
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  done where he just wasn't considered, you know, his first
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  found Hall of Famer. But I don't know who's really
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  voting. So, you know, we'll see.
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  I'm just worried about getting another ring.
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  Hopefully we can get one this weekend.
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  No doubt, no doubt. Hopefully, man, yeah, 50 people
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  get to decide who gets in that thing.
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  Lawrence Taylor was pretty upset about that.
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  I might have to ask the Giant fan when I talk to Lewis and see
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  what's going on. Reese, man, how you doing, man?
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  Welcome to the show. You had something to do with
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  Bill Belichick not getting in the Hall of Fame.
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  Nah, I had nothing to do with that man.
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  And that's that's above my pay grade.
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  I'll stay on the low 10. You ain't going to come after
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  me. I don't need ice and all them
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  and people coming after me and I'm staying out of that site.
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  Yeah, man. What's the man?
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  It's funny how people play with with other people's lives.
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  What's good, man? Welcome back, man.
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  Few weeks off testing is great. All that fun stuff.
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  Yeah, you know, it's good to be back, just back out working
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  regularly and testing is done for now.
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  He's still got, what, a couple more coming up, I think like
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  four or five more. And, you know, seasons right
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  here. It's on upon us.
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  It's time to get it going all. Right, no doubt.
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  Listen man, there's we're waiting.
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  I mean, you, you get to hear the inside stuff.
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  We on the outside just waiting for for the weekend to start
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  though, you know it, it, it's, it's like waiting for you pair
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  Jordans to come out. Yo, you ain't lying man with all
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  these, you know, a lot of people talk about how super bike is,
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  you know, dead or is man, we counted the the Super bike grid.
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  I mean, there's 13 guys on the Super bike and out of that 13, I
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  mean there's a handful of guys, I don't want to say at least 8
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  to 9 guys that's going to be up there in the top front running.
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  So it's going to be a dog fight, man.
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  This is the, we were saying this is the closest thing you're
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  going to get back to the old AMA days right here.
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  This is it. OK, All right, That's what's up.
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  We're going to talk about that man.
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  Lewis, listen, man, I mean, you got to be happy with Lawrence
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  Taylor saying, you know, if if Billy Belichick had can't get
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  into all the Hall of Fame, you know, this football thing can't
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  be real. We can't take it seriously, this
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  Hall of Fame. No, I, I, I 100% agree with that
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  man. I'm not a, I'm not a Patriots
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  fan. You know, I'm originally a
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  Giants fan. That's, that's what I grew up
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  watching. So every time the Giants would
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  crush the spirits of everybody in New England, I would have a
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  little extra spring in my step that year.
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  But with that said, you can't deny what the man did the time
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  he was there, You know, he took a team that was a good team and
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  he made him a dynasty for, you know, how many years?
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  I mean, well over a decade. These guys were kind of like the
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  perennial favorites in the in the AFC East.
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  They would, you know, I don't know how many AFC division
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  titles they won, you know, but I mean, there's a reason that Tom
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  Brady and him are walking around, I think, with eight
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  rings, but. He, you know, he did get one
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  with you guys. Yeah, yeah, but we we also
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  crushed a couple of their dreams.
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  So as long as he doesn't have like, the full Thanos 12,
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  knowing that the giants kept two rings out of his hands, I sleep
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  good all. Right, no doubt.
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  Now listen, it's, it's 50 people, man.
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  Can you know, sometimes there's only one person that can really
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  change somebody's lives and we're going to talk about that
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  because, you know, for a time it was Rossi and then for a time it
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  was Marquez. You know what I'm saying?
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  One dude as far as motorcycle racing as far as World Moto GP
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  anyway, you know, but you know in every sport you know, there's
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  like one or two guys that make it difficult for a lot of other
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  people and and it. Was a spoiler, man.
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  There's always somebody out there looking to spoiler, and
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  sometimes they don't even know they're doing it, but they're
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  doing it, Yeah, yeah. And they just fly under the
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  radar. You know, no doubt, no doubt.
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  And we're going we're going to talk about that and we talk
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  about GP in the 2015 because you know, rewatch in 2015, you know,
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  you, you like anything, you pick up things you don't see the
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  first time and and and so forth. So, and you know, it it, it's
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  like, I've heard Lorenzo's comment recently and it's just
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  like when you rewatch it and look at it, it's just kind of
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  like, well, yeah, you were fastest at some of the tracks,
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  but not all of the tracks, you know what I'm saying?
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  So it's going to be interesting to see.
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  But let's talk about some of the rumors, you know, Bazaki, which
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  is which is the biggest one, Dainese, which is huge because
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  everybody wants this tuxedo motorcycle scoot now.
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  I don't know. I mean that many people want to
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  marry their bike, apparently. I mean, it's a cool suit, man.
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  I mean, I give him that. You know, I've seen, I've seen
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  tuxedo suits before. The thing is, you've never seen
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  a tuxedo suit on a Moto GP rider.
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  And the full production that Aprelia put into it, like
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  Aprelia's PR team really went all out on this program.
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  I knew or I had heard rumors about possibly something like
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  this happening, but I didn't know what's going to happen,
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  when it was going to happen. So when I woke up this morning
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  and I looked at my WhatsApp, the internal WhatsApp, and I saw the
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  pictures, I was like, all right, let's see how this, let's see
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  how this goes. And then when Oprelia tried to
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  drop in 1st the still images and then the full like, I think it's
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  like a 3 1/2 minute video of like the full ceremony.
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  And I was just like, yeah, this is the kind of, this is the kind
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  of fun stuff that, you know, this is kind of the paddock
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  stuff that people don't see. Like people think that everybody
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  in the paddock is like these stuffy business guys.
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  It's just, it's a track day with a lot of money is what these
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  guys are doing. So they still have a ton of fun
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  when they doing these events. And I'm glad that Aprilia got
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  their moment to shine with their little viral moment.
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  But, but I think it's cool because I was, I was hoping that
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  this contract would get settled quickly because everybody kind
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  of knew Bazecki was going to stay with a Prelia.
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  But now it's, you know, it's, it's known he's going to be with
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  a Prelia till 28. And I honestly think he'll be
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  with a Prelia beyond that because I believe there's some
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  extra clauses in there that can kind of even add an additional 2
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  years to this contract. Yeah, I, I, I think he could be
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  the, the next Max Biagio for Prolia.
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  You know, TJ, you know, what do you think about the, the suit,
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  the cleverness of it? It's nice to see it that much
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  fun in the Moto GP paddock again.
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  And to convince that many high-powered people to to to go
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  along with it is it's a good thing for guys to know that they
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  can go marry their bike or is a good thing for guys to know they
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  can get a two year marriage. I mean, it's a good thing that,
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  you know, you can go marry your bike.
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  He's setting trends right now. And I mean, I don't know who's
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  going to top this. Like this is a clever way to go
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  into a new era, you know, saying that he's committed and shout
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  out to Guy and AC pulling off a spectacular suit.
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  I mean, that suits pretty nice. Like, I mean, I'm sure
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  somebody's going to want to ride in a tuxedo suit now, you know,
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  so it's it's a nice idea. And then and Bozecki is
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  definitely a top rider and definitely improving.
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  So like, I'm decided to see what he's going to do going into 2026
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  and 2027 because I was definitely rooting for him last
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  year and I know Martine got a girlfriend but I'm sure he's
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  jealous. Yeah, yeah, I think so.
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  And you know, at the Operono race, there was a guy in a suit,
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  you know, looking like a overall.
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  But you know, what Bizaki did is, is it's a class act, right?
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  And he's showing how class he is and he's showing what he's
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  bringing to Moto GP and have a little bit of fun at the at the
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  same time. So I agree.
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  I, I think Dineze is going to be selling this kind of suit and,
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  you know, we just got to see what the wedding dress is, is
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  going to look like. What are your thoughts on, you
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  know, them signing beds for another two years signing,
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  signing them for two years before the season even start?
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  Because Once Upon a time it was like, you know, mid season.
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  We were waiting for the summer break before contracts started,
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  you know, getting rolled out. But now you know, they, they,
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  they apparently, you know, they got money to spend.
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  I mean, I've been my idea is just like, you are one of the
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  top writers, you want to get locked in as soon as you can.
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  You know, I mean, I think you're smart for a position he's in to
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  to go ahead and feel confident that he can help develop Prolia.
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  But yeah, I think it's smart just to get that out the way so
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  he can focus on 2026 and then 2027.
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  He's already set in stone, yeah, So you don't want to be that
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  last couple of riders still fighting why the season's going
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  on. Can't.
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  Get a contract. No doubt, no doubt.
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  Reese, what are your thoughts, man?
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  You've been in this game for a long time.
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  Did you and your boys get a get ALU and the the staff get a kick
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  out of a scene, something like this?
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  And does that spark any kind of like, Oh well, what are we going
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  to do when we do this? What are we going to do when we
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  do that? Because that it was fun to see.
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  And I haven't seen something like that since really the Rossi
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  days and doing the silly night mess with Biaggi and some of
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  these other writers when, you know, he was winning
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  championships and and, you know, having these skits, for lack of
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  a better word. I mean, it was fun to see.
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  I mean, be honest. I mean, he beat me to the punch
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  because I was always the one younger saying I wish I could
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  just marry my wife, be a lot easier than marrying a woman,
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  you know. But I marry my wife.
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  But you know, they don't need, they don't ask for money.
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  They argue nothing. They ain't got to hear the
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  arguments. You know, it's a lot easier.
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  But it was fun to see, you know, something different.
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  I mean, it's like the old Rossi days.
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  I mean, that's how I got into watching Rossi.
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  You know, just always wanted to see something, what he was going
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  to do at the end of the race or what kind of skit he was going
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  to do for that win. So I mean, that was something
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  nice to see. And it's like it, like TJ said,
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  I mean, it's just get, you know, get the signing and get it all
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  done with it. So you can focus on this season
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  and with the new era coming up in the 27, now you can focus on
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  a whole new project. Right, right, right.
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  No, no, no doubt there. Let's bring everyone in.
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  You know, guys, is this do you think that Aprilia gave him
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  enough cash to keep him happy or you think they wanted to sign
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  them so they're trying to catch a a bigger fish?
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  We start with Lewis, man. I think every company has like
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  their their top priority. So like Ducati, I think Marquez
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  is their top priority. Aprilia, I think Bez was the top
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  priority, KTMI think Acosta, like every manufacturer, every
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  factory team has those top priorities that they want to try
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  to lock in. And obviously Aprilia didn't
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  want to take the chance of somebody else trying to scoop up
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  Bazecki after the season he had last year.
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  I mean, he was phenomenal on the bike.
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  He was able to develop the bike in a way that it really hasn't
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  moved before. I mean, the Polis Barbro, I'll
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  be very honest with you. I mean, Alacius Barbro is a is
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  actually a very, very good development rider.
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  There was a reason why he was with a previous for so long and
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  why the project came along so, so well over the years, even
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  though he didn't get to win many times, he did help develop that
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  bike over a very long period of time.
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  But Bazecki was able to take it to that next step that, you
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  know, whatever reason Alexei kind of hit his threshold,
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  couldn't go past it and Bazecki went past it.
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  You know, Bazecki won multiple races in one year, was
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  competitive the almost the entire second-half of the year
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  really took it to mark went from, at one point, I think he
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  was like 7th in the championships and finished third
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  in the championship. So I mean, he leapfrogged a lot
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  of guys when they started to suffer.
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  He was just there there knocking on the door, knocking on the
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  door. So I think it's good that they
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  did this because I, I hate, you know, I, I hate to say deserve
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  it because nobody deserves it. You negotiate for it.
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  But he negotiated by what he did on the on the track.
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  He didn't negotiate it in the in the news.
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  He didn't negotiate it in the media saying, oh, if this team
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  don't hire me, then you're going to see what they missing.
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  You know, he went out there, he did the work, Aprelia saw the
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  work and realize, you know what, we need to lock this guy in
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  before somebody else comes and scoops him up because somebody
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  else is going to want to scoop him up.
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  You know, he's a young guy, he's got a lot of talent and I think
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  his ceiling is still very much higher than what he is now.
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  I think he still has a lot more in reserve and with the right
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  bike and the right team, he's going to keep growing over
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  years. I mean, This is why I think
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  Aprelia wants to lock him in now.
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  Maybe lock him in like you said, long time this.
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  He might be this generations Aprelia Max Piagi.
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  I I I agree, TJ, man, what does that mean for oh, hey, Martine,
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  you think that he's going to resign?
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  I know we're hearing rumors that he's going other places and all
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  that, but you know, I'm trying to think, I'm trying to.
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  It's like, it's like. Got to you, got to earn it out.
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  Yeah, it's like Antonio Brown signing to, you know, Tampa, you
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  know what I'm saying? One year was great.
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  Second year, not so much. You know, Antonio Barone was out
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  out of the league after that. I mean, and you would think that
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  Martine would want to sign back with a pro year.
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  That would be like the right thing to say.
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  Look, man, I I didn't finish what I started the second-half
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  of this year. I'm going to, I'm going to try
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  to match what Bazecki did his first year.
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  That's a good benchmark to to to aim for and even surpass that.
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  What are your thoughts on what's going to happen to Martine?
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  I mean, he needs to be more humble.
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  I mean, like his his demeanor on certain things.
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  Like he like he's trying to tell the the manufacturers what he
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  wants to do when you know, you got to you got to earn it.
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  I mean, he did win a championship.
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  He definitely fought really hard with the year before that,
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  almost won it and he was on a Ducati, one of the best bikes.
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  So now that he's switching up, he did get hurt.
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  Like it's a reset for himself. He just got to come back to
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  reality, understand the situation and like, you know,
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  it's it's not just going to be handed over to him.
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  Like, hey, all right, we're going to make you the best
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  rider. Like you still got to prove
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  yourself. And I just think I don't think
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  like he's he's in jeopardy, but like, you know, he needs to look
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  at this situation like a prayer year.
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  We're doing good things and I'm here to try to be better than
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  Mizuki and and we can be the best constructive, you know,
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  manufacturer. So, you know, he got to look up
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  and try to get his, you know, feedback together and be in
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  shape ready for the season because the past two seasons
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  wasn't that well. All right, all right.
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  I mean, let me see if I can get my, my, my clicking the right
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  buttons, right, Reese, man, it's probably when you know, people
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  get the same initials, but you know, you're it, you know, you,
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  you have a bird's eye view from what's happened.
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  And do you look at the situation with Bazecki?
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  Because I don't think Bazecki gets enough respect.
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  I was looking at their stats earlier, other overall stats.
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  And you know, it's like I'm seeing quarter hour with sign
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  like some $50 million deal. But when you look at the win
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  loss column, they like they all, they all right, They're touching
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  each other. You know what?
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  You know what? How do you look at?
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  You know, this is a good look for Bizaki.
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  Sign in. Where Martinez, do you think
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  that, you know, as you heard Lewis say, it's what you
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  negotiate, You know, you're hoping that, you know, Bazecki
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  negotiated a salary like a Quatre Aurora because honestly,
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  when you look at their stats on paper, it's just kind of like,
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  how's this dude worth 15? And I mean, he got the one world
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  title, obviously, But outside of that, you know, how is he
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  commanding 17? And, you know, are we?
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  Bazecki should be grateful for getting a factory seat.
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  I mean, it's easy. I mean, like, like Lewis said,
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  he negotiated the seat when you're a rider was hurt.
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  He stepped up and filled that void.
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  He didn't when he stepped up to fill the void, he didn't do it.
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  You know, where he wanted to be in the media.
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  He wanted to talk bad or he just let the his riding do his
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  talking. He stepped up, he wanted to do
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  and like, you know, he stepped up and just kept knocking at the
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  door, kept going, kept going each round.
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  And then you, you know, you're up there with the top, the top
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  guy that that almost one of the, one of the great ones of a
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  Marquez and he's out there pushing him to the limit of
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  beating him. So I mean, at that point you
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  have to give it to him because he helped develop your bike.
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  He helped put your bike on top when the rider you gave a crap
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  ton of money to was kicking you in your back by kicking you in
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  your back and everything else. I mean, at this point, if I was,
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  that was me and I'm on the team and I'm the guy and I'm like, I
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  wouldn't even want to resign. Mark all day.
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  Like for what? So you can kick us down again
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  now we're good. Finish your contract and get
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  out. I want no one to honor
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  obligations. I mean, you wanted to take us to
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  court for, for whatever odd reason, you know, you got
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  obligation that you signed on the dotted line that you need to
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  finish and you want to leave. Yeah.
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  So I just don't do that. It'd be much better if you put
• 19:34
  the time in, you know, it's, you know, you know, like Mike
• 19:37
  Tomlin, you know, the Steelers are offering whatever he wants
• 19:40
  because he put the time in, you know what I'm saying?
• 19:42
  He he earned that and they rewarded him.
• 19:45
  Martine hasn't been rewarded, hasn't earned anything, but but
• 19:50
  he's, you know, he's he. I mean, he's earned a couple of
• 19:54
  hospital bills. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 19:57
  He's he, you know, he, he's trying to.
• 20:00
  I mean, here he got a title. So it, it's kind of why, like,
• 20:03
  why not make a home for yourself?
• 20:04
  It, it's to me, it's kind of weird because like you didn't
• 20:08
  give it, you didn't get a chance to prove yourself and this bike
• 20:11
  finished in the top three and you and you and you're looking
• 20:14
  to go somewhere else. I, I, I, it's kind of weird that
• 20:17
  you don't want to like to, to be like, all right, 2626, I'm going
• 20:20
  to, this is going to be my year to, to be top three, if not
• 20:24
  better. Right.
• 20:26
  I mean, I, I have a little saying about that.
• 20:28
  I mean personally coming from the inside, I mean the years
• 20:32
  that you were good on Ducati, you and the equipment were here.
• 20:39
  The rest of the equipment from anybody else was back here.
• 20:44
  The riders were up here, but the equipment couldn't match their
• 20:47
  riding style. So when you when you won that
• 20:50
  championship, you won the best equipment at that time.
• 20:56
  So now that a rider that is better than you has matched your
• 21:01
  skill level as surpassed your skill level, but the equipment
• 21:05
  has matched up, you can't touch him, which is a market.
• 21:09
  And you know, so now you're riding a, you're riding not the
• 21:15
  top equipment on the paddock. And anytime I, oh, I can't ride
• 21:17
  it, I don't want to do it. I want to get out of here.
• 21:19
  So that just to me, that tells me you can't.
• 21:23
  You can ride, but you're not as good as you thought you were.
• 21:27
  Yeah, it it seems like it because you know, like I like,
• 21:30
  you know, per year was top three.
• 21:32
  So it's kind of weird that you would go to Yamaha or or Honda
• 21:36
  and expect to do something better like that that like that.
• 21:40
  That is a compute. But Lewis, I'll let you jump in
• 21:43
  and tell us about the rumours that we've missed because I know
• 21:47
  your ear is so close to the ground.
• 21:49
  What do you want to start with man?
• 21:52
  I don't know if it's still, it's still early in the season.
• 21:54
  So there's still a lot of rumors swirling.
• 21:57
  It's hard to believe everything that's out there.
• 21:59
  So obviously, you know, one of the rumors is that Peko is
• 22:02
  pretty much out of Ducati. He's trying to find a home
• 22:05
  either with Aprilia or with Honda.
• 22:11
  Some people are like even saying possibly with Yamaha because the
• 22:14
  other rumor is Quadraro says that there's only conversations
• 22:18
  going on with Honda, but other people say that it's signed,
• 22:21
  sealed and delivered that he's going to be at Honda.
• 22:23
  So now he's going to go to Honda.
• 22:24
  Who's going to leave Honda? Is it Mira Marini?
• 22:28
  So like there's just so many seats moving around.
• 22:30
  You know, KTM is saying they want Acosta, but at the same
• 22:33
  time the VR46 team is saying that they have a Costa and then
• 22:38
  some people are saying that he's going directly to the factory
• 22:41
  team if Pekko leaves. So, you know, it's it's just
• 22:45
  strings going from here to there, like every rider is going
• 22:48
  somewhere. I think it's easier to list the
• 22:51
  guys that are going to be out of a job.
• 22:53
  All right, well, who's going to be a?
• 22:56
  Job we'll we'll save that for Part 2.
• 22:57
  We'll start with TJ who you want, Quatarara or Pekko?
• 23:02
  Where should either of them go? We'll, we'll start with TJ, who
• 23:06
  you going to pick and then Reese, you can pick the other
• 23:08
  person and I'll leave either I'll take the third Acosta or
• 23:13
  whoever is left. So who are you going to pick,
• 23:15
  Tji? Mean I'll I'll say quarter out
• 23:20
  because you know he's been promised, you know a better bike
• 23:26
  and they switched to the V4 and it's still not strong, but you
• 23:31
  know Honda has been developing and they also have the V4.
• 23:34
  So feel like they want him and they've been paying mark Marquez
• 23:39
  as well. So they're looking for.
• 23:42
  A whole, a whole setting. Mark Marquez.
• 23:45
  Come on man, Come on. No, no, no, no, no, no, not at
• 23:47
  all. Not at all.
• 23:48
  But you know, I'm just saying like, you know, they're looking
• 23:52
  for a rider that can, you know, possibly longevity and maybe
• 23:56
  caught around with their their new guys.
• 23:58
  So I figured that that would happen over that go, but we'll
• 24:02
  see. So you think it'll be a good
• 24:03
  look for for Quatro to leave Yamaha at this point and go
• 24:07
  Honda? I guess Honda.
• 24:11
  If it is for the 2027, I mean like he's going to have to
• 24:15
  decide soon. Like I, I don't have you got to
• 24:18
  wait to this testing tomorrow to see what's going on with this
• 24:21
  before you know, but you know, like he's the one that speaks in
• 24:25
  the meeting and like, you know, kind of speaks his mind of
• 24:28
  proposed to the otherwise unless things happen.
• 24:30
  So he's at this point of his career where he like, you know,
• 24:35
  you got to make that move because he's running out of
• 24:36
  time. OK, all right, all right.
• 24:38
  I mean, I think Lewis teacher is rubbing off on you.
• 24:41
  He's walking that fine line. You know, we can see Depends.
• 24:45
  Read who you pick. And Pekko.
• 24:48
  I know he's your guy. So where he going to go?
• 24:52
  Oh, you want to talk about? That's your guy.
• 24:55
  But I'm going to talk about Pekka.
• 24:57
  I mean with Pekka, First things first, we're going into 27,
• 25:03
  right? Where are you going?
• 25:05
  That's my key. Everybody's moving around.
• 25:08
  Technically, it's not moving for a better bike.
• 25:11
  You're moving for a, you're moving for a bag.
• 25:13
  Let's keep it on. Let's keep a spade, a spade.
• 25:15
  You're moving for a bag because at 27 everybody starts from
• 25:19
  Ground Zero. So you don't know who's going to
• 25:21
  be a better bike. You don't know where you going,
• 25:23
  you don't know what's going to be a better bike.
• 25:24
  Right now there's a whole different bike, so.
• 25:28
  But I mean, we're talking about Pekka.
• 25:30
  I mean, for him to leave Ducati, I think it's kind of crazy
• 25:34
  because that bike is proven. The team is proven.
• 25:37
  It's, I mean, they got a lot of backing, I mean a hell of a lot
• 25:41
  of backing with that Volkswagen Group and Lambeau and everything
• 25:44
  else so. Said hey, you know, nobody
• 25:47
  called me. He went to KTM.
• 25:52
  Maybe Ducati ain't ain't calling Pekka.
• 25:57
  I don't know. Navi said the same thing matter
• 26:01
  of fact. I mean, but Pekka has
• 26:03
  championships though. That's the only thing he has
• 26:05
  some championships. He has the number one place in a
• 26:07
  couple years. And it don't get me go back to
• 26:09
  the beginning of the season and said why would you time Marquez
• 26:12
  when the students got 2 championships and I know why but
• 26:16
  and he would have won this year maybe.
• 26:19
  Oh, Pat didn't know he would though.
• 26:21
  But you're the one most crashes. But you know what I mean it it's
• 26:24
  weird for Ducati to sign a guy that won two championships,
• 26:27
  right? They usually would.
• 26:29
  In the past they were bringing in people who they wanted in
• 26:31
  World Super Bike or AMA or you start from Ground Zero and build
• 26:36
  up. So it was weird for them to sign
• 26:38
  Marquez. But anyway.
• 26:40
  I mean, you're a Ducati guy, so, you know, I mean, you guys,
• 26:43
  Ducati is cut throat. I mean, if you don't win, they
• 26:46
  want to cut your head off and send you out.
• 26:48
  Yeah. And they all what you've done
• 26:49
  for me lately. So it's like really, come on,
• 26:52
  man. I won two championships, you
• 26:54
  know. And I feel that's the reason why
• 26:55
  Petco wouldn't want to leave, because he didn't feel like he's
• 27:01
  wanted and he won them two championships after a long,
• 27:04
  long, long, long drought. That that's y'all, that's,
• 27:09
  that's you and the red team over there, you know, I mean y'all,
• 27:11
  you know, y'all little cult right there.
• 27:13
  Y'all got that little cult history and it's like y'all
• 27:16
  exclusive? I've, I've already been on
• 27:19
  record stating my, my disapproval of the decisions
• 27:22
  that were made in the last year and a half.
• 27:27
  And so if it doesn't work out, because the crazy thing is this,
• 27:29
  I was thinking about this after watching the 2015 season and
• 27:33
  it's just kind of like at one time Ducati had so many Italians
• 27:36
  on their bikes. And now we like, we're going to
• 27:40
  be like down to who, you know what I'm saying?
• 27:43
  So it's it's kind of weird to see.
• 27:45
  And I can see why Biaggi might have said Aprilia is the only
• 27:48
  true Italian brand. I mean, at this point, yeah,
• 27:53
  because Becca leaves. Who do y'all have?
• 27:57
  That's it. Because Frank, Because Bagnaya
• 27:59
  or or not Bagnaya, Mobidelli or the the gin, Antonio is going to
• 28:06
  have to go. Well, the Ginny Tonio's going to
• 28:09
  stay, Morbidelli's going to go home or he's going to go to the
• 28:12
  world too. But he's one of the people that
• 28:14
  Lewis talking about that who's going to be out and he probably
• 28:18
  won. Again man, looking at the stats,
• 28:20
  Morbidelli got more wins than than than did you?
• 28:24
  It's crazy. Like I know he was a he's a dumb
• 28:26
  ass last year. Looking at his stats, bro he got
• 28:31
  he got Qatarara's been on the podium more than him, but Mobile
• 28:37
  got more wins. It's crazy.
• 28:38
  And then from a business point, yes, but then from an also
• 28:41
  business point who cost more money.
• 28:45
  Yeah, but if you win, you make more money.
• 28:47
  If you come in 8th you make less money.
• 28:49
  So you also got. Right.
• 28:52
  But then if you crash them swing arms or crashing them parts,
• 28:54
  they're costing 40 grand and 50 grand.
• 28:57
  Like God damn. Yeah, but if you give me five
• 28:59
  wins and the other guy gives me 7/12 places, I'll let you crash
• 29:07
  a couple extra bikes, Man, when you crash it from 12 place, it
• 29:11
  hurts a lot more than when you crash it from 2nd place at the
• 29:15
  end of the day. How many fines we got to put out
• 29:18
  for you doing dumb shit? Yeah, that's different.
• 29:21
  That's that's, that's, that's stupidity came.
• 29:24
  There's no price tag on stupidity.
• 29:27
  It's priceless. He's definitely.
• 29:31
  Shooting himself in the foot and and the crazy part is his record
• 29:35
  is that good with him shooting himself in the foot.
• 29:37
  You know what I'm saying? That's every one thing.
• 29:39
  If he like he could have, but his record is really good and
• 29:42
  he's doing dumb ish show. Imagine if he didn't.
• 29:45
  I'll say it. It looks like Acosta.
• 29:47
  It sounds like Acosta is a done deal as far as you know, going
• 29:51
  to Ducati, wherever he ends up. I mean, I think it's a it's hard
• 29:57
  to say if it's a win for him because we don't know if KT we
• 30:00
  don't know what as as Reese said, we don't know what any of
• 30:03
  the bikes are going to do in 2000, in 2027.
• 30:06
  So who knows who could who could win it that year?
• 30:09
  That's a year that they could steal it like Mayor did or you
• 30:12
  know, Quattrara did that that kind of thing.
• 30:15
  Some people may not argue he didn't steal it, but the
• 30:17
  pandemic was around and you know, it was, it was troubling
• 30:21
  in times and stuff like that. But you got to show up, you
• 30:25
  know, So it'll be, it'll be interesting to see for sure what
• 30:29
  else you got, Lewis. Let me think, who else are we
• 30:33
  talking about? I mean, right now the on the
• 30:36
  Honda side it's, you know, they, they locked in a couple of guys,
• 30:39
  but who's going to be gone from Honda?
• 30:41
  Is it going to be Mir or is it going to be Marini?
• 30:44
  I think Marini will probably be gone before Mir just because
• 30:49
  Mirror is still a bigger name. Marini hasn't really proven
• 30:52
  himself even though he'd had a great second-half of last year.
• 30:57
  You know? I think Honda is probably going
• 30:59
  to wait until the middle of the season to pick because I don't
• 31:01
  think either one of them is a runaway favorite.
• 31:03
  But if I had to pick one to stay, it would be Mirror Parent
• 31:08
  Mirror with either Acosta or Martine would be great, you
• 31:15
  know, But I would tell any manufacturer at this point, you
• 31:17
  know, Martine is a talent, but he's like the hot chick that's
• 31:21
  probably going to cheat on you. Like, do you really want to take
• 31:23
  her out, man? Because she's probably going to
• 31:25
  do your dirty at some point. And and and Luca only had like a
• 31:29
  couple of crashes last year, so. You know, I think he had the
• 31:32
  least crashes of anybody, but he was also out for a few because
• 31:35
  of this crash at Suzuka. But when he came back from
• 31:40
  Suzuka, whatever they crashed him into, he got a way better at
• 31:44
  riding the bike man. So maybe he needed a crash to to
• 31:48
  get his his mojo back because after he came back from that
• 31:51
  incident, he was consistently top eight, top seven.
• 31:55
  I mean, he was there, there, there.
• 31:57
  So again, this also shows that the Honda's got a lot of
• 31:59
  progression versus the Yamaha, which in this first Test
• 32:03
  actually went, what was it a second and a half slower than it
• 32:06
  did last year on the inline 4. It's actually going slower on
• 32:10
  the V4, so you know that's not the direction a new bike should
• 32:15
  be going. So this might be another reason
• 32:17
  why Quadraro is looking to hit the eject button as soon as
• 32:20
  possible. But how much, you know, how much
• 32:22
  of that? You know, we've talked about
• 32:23
  this. We've seen some riders take six
• 32:25
  months to get up to speed. We talked about Bazecki.
• 32:29
  You know how you know, the second-half of the season he
• 32:31
  came into his own. We just had Luca came into his
• 32:35
  home after crashing. But, you know, half a season or
• 32:37
  whatever the case may be, you know, you know.
• 32:40
  Yeah, but Bartiraro's been on the Yamaha so long, man, at this
• 32:43
  point it's like. Yeah, but.
• 32:45
  Sometimes you just got to go. It's, it's, it's still, you
• 32:48
  know, still got to feel a little different.
• 32:50
  I mean, we. Yeah, I feel like he should be
• 32:53
  given more room, saying give me some more time to tell.
• 32:56
  And he's saying I'm ready to go. And sometimes, you know, it
• 32:59
  could be like a Kevin Garnett situation or some of these other
• 33:02
  guys that they just, you know, they stayed too long and.
• 33:05
  And I think that's the situation with him.
• 33:07
  I think he was too loyal for too long to that one brand thinking
• 33:11
  like, you know, I'm going to be a legacy Yamaha person, but they
• 33:14
  just haven't had a bike that was competitive.
• 33:17
  And you know, he this is a guy that wants to win.
• 33:20
  Man, this I, I still think Cuatararo is one of, if not the
• 33:23
  best smooth rider in the paddock.
• 33:27
  I mean, the dude is silky, but you know, same thing with
• 33:32
  Marquez that there comes a time that it's like, look, I've been
• 33:34
  loyal to this brand a long time. I've flown the company flag, but
• 33:37
  now I got to look out for myself.
• 33:39
  You know, I can't just keep coming out here risking my life
• 33:42
  because this isn't, you know, we're not playing basketball
• 33:44
  here. Like every time I put this
• 33:45
  helmet on might be the last time I put this helmet on.
• 33:48
  I need to make start making this count.
• 33:50
  You know I can't just be crashing or racing for 11th
• 33:53
  place or the 1st 3 laps. You know I'm out front looking
• 33:56
  like I'm on fire and by lap five I'm in 8th place and I'm about
• 34:00
  to get passed by rookie his first year on the shit box
• 34:03
  behind me because the shit box I got is worse than the shit box
• 34:05
  he got. And I know I'm faster than his
• 34:08
  ass but guess what man? I'm on a shit box.
• 34:10
  That's why I said that little Penguin being chased by that
• 34:13
  seal meme to everybody because that's what Yamaha looks like.
• 34:17
  The first 3 laps they out there flipping and flapping thinking
• 34:19
  they get away and that seal is just.
• 34:26
  You think, You think. I'll go back to Honda keeping
• 34:30
  Mayor Marini, you know, numbers guys.
• 34:34
  So I think with the past two seasons Mayor had or how many
• 34:37
  crashes he had and bad luck, you would not project that going
• 34:42
  into next season. You would hope that wouldn't
• 34:43
  happen. Opposed to saving money and
• 34:46
  having Marini if. I was Honda, honestly I would
• 34:49
  wait for the first 5-6 events of the year and just see how things
• 34:54
  are going before I pull a trigger on either one of them
• 34:56
  because it's not like either one of them.
• 34:58
  Nobody's knocking down the door to get Mirror or Marini right
• 35:01
  now. It's not like people are like
• 35:03
  kicking in the door. Like I got to get Marini, I got
• 35:04
  to get him right now. Like bro there's like 8 other
• 35:07
  guys before Marini yesterday. I think.
• 35:09
  I think KTM would pick up a Marini.
• 35:11
  KTM could pick up anybody else wanting to ride that bike at
• 35:13
  this point as long as they can get them for cheap because they
• 35:16
  can't afford to pay people very much.
• 35:20
  But I honestly, I think Honda's in the best position to give
• 35:24
  their both of their guys a little time.
• 35:25
  I think VR46 is in a position that they can give both of their
• 35:28
  guys a little time. Ducati is not in that position.
• 35:32
  They got to lock Marquez in really a knock, lock their guy
• 35:36
  in and KTM, you know, as much as they want to lock in Acosta, I
• 35:39
  just don't think it's going to happen man.
• 35:41
  I think Acosta is ready to just pull the eject button on KTM all
• 35:44
  together and and find a whole new career somewhere.
• 35:47
  And I think that's going to be mostly on his age.
• 35:50
  I think it's one of those things like we've seen Zarko in the
• 35:52
  past said he wish you to handle situations differently.
• 35:56
  I think Acosta, if he does leave KTM, I think later in life he'll
• 36:01
  say he probably was a decision he wish he hadn't made.
• 36:03
  Because you know, you, you as as you guys know, you know, you
• 36:09
  have to weather the storm. If you know, regular workers,
• 36:12
  regular people, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:15
  You know, we got to weather the storm.
• 36:17
  We don't just get to go. Oh, let's, you know, we're, you
• 36:19
  know, oh, we're not making the same bonus this year.
• 36:22
  Let me go, you know. That's not an option I.
• 36:27
  Wish if I was a Costa man and again I don't know his
• 36:30
  management team or anything like that, I would really consider
• 36:35
  not going to Ducati even though it's like the considered the
• 36:39
  most competitive bike. You know you're a top rider, the
• 36:43
  last thing you want to do is be second fiddle to Mark Marquez.
• 36:46
  Well, not even Mark. Sorry not to cut you off, but
• 36:48
  not. Even to Alex Marquez, too,
• 36:49
  you're third fiddle. And Furman.
• 36:52
  You're 4th. Fiddle just going down the list.
• 36:57
  You're not even playing in the band.
• 36:59
  You hoping somebody get hurt so you could play in the band at
• 37:01
  that point because Furman he's locked for for for a minute with
• 37:04
  Ducat Scotty Ducati put a lot of chips on Fuhrman.
• 37:08
  Alex might be leaving at the end of this year Gracini to go
• 37:11
  somewhere else. But as a as a if I was going to
• 37:15
  give Acosta some advice, I'd be like, look, man, look at the
• 37:18
  Honda route because Honda is is all in they're really developing
• 37:22
  this bike. If you can go and win on that
• 37:24
  bike and become like a staple Honda rider, you'll have a a
• 37:28
  career for life, right? Honda will keep you forever.
• 37:31
  And I and I can see Honda picking him over Martine just
• 37:34
  based on past, past business experiences, you know, So yeah,
• 37:42
  you know, it's going to be pretty wild, Pretty, pretty wild
• 37:45
  to see. I think if I was Honda, I would
• 37:46
  keep Marini and and mayor because you know, and, and you
• 37:51
  know, sometimes it's the bike, sometimes it's the rider.
• 37:54
  But you know, Quatrara Acosta and these other guys haven't
• 37:58
  done anything spectacular, even though they're supposed to be a
• 38:02
  little bit, you know, better than these guys last year, 2025.
• 38:06
  You look at the stats overall Honda riders.
• 38:09
  So it's kind of, you know, I mean, I, I, I if, if you can
• 38:14
  sign to Marc Marquez. If you're a Honda, I suppose you
• 38:16
  do it right. But we, we, we, we've talked
• 38:19
  about Acosta B, is he a Mark Marquez or not?
• 38:22
  And I and I, and I think we might be on the fence a little
• 38:24
  bit about that. So.
• 38:28
  Do you think that if Honda holds up signing mirror Marini, that
• 38:33
  affects other riders trying to get to them like like Fabio and
• 38:38
  then making another decision? You know, I would say this if
• 38:42
  I'm a Moto GP rider, as long as I'm not out of Moto GPI think
• 38:47
  I'm OK. But once you get out of GP it's
• 38:50
  hard to get back in. That's just me though, you know.
• 38:55
  I mean it it would be a very potent team if they had.
• 39:00
  Imagine if Honda was able to scoop up Quadararo and Acosta.
• 39:05
  You know, even if they decided we're just going to clean house
• 39:07
  and we're just going to bring 2 new guys because next year is
• 39:09
  going to be a completely new bike is going to, it's pretty
• 39:11
  much a new project. Let's clean house and we're
• 39:14
  going to bring in Cuadraro and Acosta.
• 39:16
  A guy that can win now and a guy that can win now and in the
• 39:20
  future. And, and if you can keep those
• 39:23
  two guys. The thing is, you know, Honda's
• 39:24
  been able to save some money over the last couple years
• 39:26
  because they haven't pay, had to pay this guy that would they
• 39:29
  were paying a ton of money to. So they've been able to save
• 39:32
  some cash. It's time to spend some cash.
• 39:35
  Let. Me, let me ask this question.
• 39:36
  Who's the smoother rider between Acosta, Quatararo and
• 39:41
  Bastianini? Quataro, Quataro.
• 39:44
  OK, yeah, man, that dude is silk.
• 39:48
  Like because the, because the Yamaha only goes well if you're
• 39:52
  smooth. Like you got to be a smooth
• 39:54
  rider. If you try to wrestle that bike
• 39:56
  or fight that bike, it's not going to do what it's designed
• 39:59
  to do. That bike is built to be on
• 40:00
  rails and you got to be a certain kind of rider to like,
• 40:03
  like Quadraro is smooth, man. Like you see that dude take a
• 40:06
  corner and it looks so effortless.
• 40:08
  Like the bikes not shaking, the bikes not jumping around, it's
• 40:11
  not doing anything crazy. It's just.
• 40:13
  The dude just slides it right into the corner, man, and just
• 40:16
  picks it up and like, you know, again.
• 40:20
  And the only other guy that I feel is that smooth is Sideshow
• 40:23
  Bob. Well, today I was going to say
• 40:26
  Valentino Rocky. Well, yeah, back in the day.
• 40:29
  But Jorge Lorenzo, you know the reason he worked so well with
• 40:32
  the Yamaha, The same thing. He was just this silky suit,
• 40:35
  smooth rider. He wasn't getting the bike
• 40:37
  bucking and he wasn't fighting it.
• 40:38
  He was just letting it do its thing and pull in every ounce of
• 40:42
  that corner, speed out of it. Right, right.
• 40:44
  You know, Speaking of, let's, let's talk about 2025, man.
• 40:47
  Lewis, I'm gonna let you set it up because you wanted to talk
• 40:49
  about 25. 15/15/20. 15 at least I had a 5 in the end of two so.
• 40:59
  I I've studied this year more than Hold on, let me change my
• 41:02
  background here because I got to put my.
• 41:05
  Conspiracy. Background.
• 41:09
  OK. All right, all.
• 41:11
  Right here we go. Is this it?
• 41:16
  Start your notes. You got notes?
• 41:18
  Listen, man. No, no, no.
• 41:20
  I just want to make sure I got this thing working.
• 41:22
  You can see my conspiracy background.
• 41:24
  Yes, yeah. What up so?
• 41:26
  We're going to we're going to this is the conspiracy.
• 41:32
  This year is the most I can I it's so many adjectives can be
• 41:38
  used for this year. It's the most controversial,
• 41:41
  it's the most toxic, it's the most spoken about like this year
• 41:46
  caused the biggest riff in motorcycle racing.
• 41:49
  It brought a new rivalry. It brought so many different
• 41:53
  layers and it really had to do with two riders, but it had to
• 41:55
  do with a bunch of riders. And it also shows.
• 41:58
  This is, I hate to say this is the first championship that
• 42:04
  social media really was had a big impact because on social
• 42:09
  media became very toxic. Moto GP fandom became like Star
• 42:13
  Wars fandom, just toxic. Everybody was hating everybody.
• 42:16
  There was division. There was the Republicans and
• 42:19
  the Democrats like it was it's it's it was surreal.
• 42:23
  There was the yellow mist and there was the Team 93 guys.
• 42:28
  And it also went to show the power that Rossi had to
• 42:33
  manipulate fandom. His fans were on his side, and
• 42:39
  some of his fans kind of saw it a little different.
• 42:42
  And then there was this. What I thought at the time was a
• 42:44
  smaller group that was on the Marquette side.
• 42:46
  Valentino Rossi definitely had the bigger group of fans.
• 42:50
  You know he he had. You talk about the the Seattle
• 42:54
  with the Legion of Boom. Yeah, like I, you know, in 2015,
• 43:00
  listening to when Rossi was cheered and then other people
• 43:05
  were introduced and it was like crickets.
• 43:07
  Like that intimidate that has as a writer, as a ball player,
• 43:12
  whatever. It's like, where's my mother,
• 43:15
  right? Ain't nobody.
• 43:16
  Cheering for me, yeah. Man real like not the might have
• 43:21
  been the Valencia round, or the Australia round or the Malaysia
• 43:23
  round or the Malaysia. Round, Malaysia, Round.
• 43:25
  It was like man, I need security to get me to my.
• 43:33
  Yeah, I mean, it was, it was the equivalent of this past year
• 43:36
  when Bulaga took out top rack and you know, you needed to cost
• 43:41
  security because it was that bad.
• 43:43
  And I hate to see that in our sport.
• 43:46
  I would say worse in all honesty because it was more than one
• 43:48
  round. Oh yeah, yeah, no, it was 3
• 43:50
  rounds. Like you know, Bullock only had
• 43:52
  to do with one weekend and and thank God top racks not racing
• 43:55
  in this series anymore. Like he'll take all his crazy
• 43:57
  fans with him to GP. I'm good.
• 44:00
  But you know, this was the beginning of a long hard period
• 44:04
  of Valentino Rossi and Mark Marquez, which in a way was kind
• 44:08
  of deflating because in the first few years, Valentino Rossi
• 44:12
  made it a point to be very friendly.
• 44:14
  Marquez because in my opinion, I feel Valentino Rossi has this
• 44:18
  thing where you keep your enemies close or your friends
• 44:21
  close, you keep your enemies closer.
• 44:23
  And even when Marquez came in, you know, here's a rookie that
• 44:26
  won in his championship year. All right, this kid just knocked
• 44:29
  out one of my one of my goals, one of my records.
• 44:32
  He became the youngest guy to win AGP championship.
• 44:35
  All right, motherfucker. Oh, he became the first guy to
• 44:37
  win 1010 wins before I won. He, you know, so little by
• 44:41
  little, he started knocking down all these Rossi records.
• 44:44
  And Rossi was like, oh, he's my friend.
• 44:46
  He's that little fast bastard, like, but inside, behind the
• 44:51
  facade, he really meant that shit.
• 44:54
  This is a little fast bastard. I don't really like this moment,
• 44:57
  you know? And as time went on and Marquez
• 45:00
  became more competitive, it kind of kept chipping and chipping.
• 45:04
  And this was the year, if I remember correctly, that the
• 45:07
  relationship really took a downturn because Marquez had
• 45:11
  gone to Valentino Rossi's ranch to do like his.
• 45:17
  They do a like a flat track race there and Marquez went and beat
• 45:22
  Rossi at his ranch and, and, and even Marquez will say that was
• 45:27
  the moment where he felt the relationship changed.
• 45:30
  Like when he went to the ranch, he was, he was treated a little
• 45:34
  bit differently than he expected to be treated.
• 45:36
  He was a lot more competitive. Everybody was super competitive.
• 45:40
  And after that weekend, he felt the relationship soured.
• 45:44
  And then shortly after that, they had their first incident,
• 45:47
  which was Argentina, where he felt that Rossi kind of came
• 45:52
  across, took out his front tire for no apparent reason and
• 45:54
  crashed him. And then again, this just kept
• 45:58
  building throughout the season. It's like all these little
• 46:00
  things that would happen, they would bang into each other, but
• 46:03
  you know, they would always bang into each other.
• 46:05
  But it was, it seemed like a like the elbow was stuck out a
• 46:07
  little bit further and the knee was out a little bit further and
• 46:10
  like, like we bang, but damn, that bang was a little harder
• 46:13
  than than they used to be. Like, And then in Aston, they
• 46:17
  had the the race where like they go into the last corner and
• 46:20
  Rossi leans into him. They hit each other, Rossi runs
• 46:23
  across the dirt. Rossi wins the race and Marquez
• 46:25
  goes to protest. But they were like, ah, it's a
• 46:28
  racing incident. It kind of happens.
• 46:29
  But again, building and building and building.
• 46:32
  And if you look through the seasons, Marquez really didn't
• 46:36
  have that much of an impact in the overall season because
• 46:40
  Marquez had 6 retirements. Yeah.
• 46:43
  Yeah, it was. Six races where he was
• 46:45
  irrelevant. Yeah, yeah.
• 46:47
  And towards the end of the end of the season with that, so he
• 46:49
  had like 3 in like 5 races or whatever.
• 46:51
  Yeah, he was out and I, I was trying to figure out what Rossi
• 46:56
  said in the Thursday before the last round that really.
• 47:02
  So it's the nation Grand Prix and Rossi said something and
• 47:07
  that's why Marquez was riding effed up.
• 47:10
  And then you know Rossi, I mean, I don't know if he hit the
• 47:13
  brakes to make him go down, but Rocky, but Marquez was
• 47:17
  definitely slowing him down. Well, The thing is, it was the
• 47:21
  Australian GP was the round where the the big hubbub
• 47:26
  happened because at the Malaysian, at the press
• 47:29
  conference for the Malaysian GP, that's when during the pre race
• 47:33
  press conference, out of nowhere, Rossi just drops.
• 47:36
  Well, you know, the reason that I had a bad race in Australia is
• 47:39
  because Marquez was intentionally slowing me down.
• 47:43
  And you could see Marquez's face.
• 47:45
  It's in the video. And Marquez is like, a little
• 47:49
  bit stunned that, you know, he didn't mention anything about it
• 47:54
  the entire week. And he waited until they're live
• 47:56
  in front of the press to, like, drop this bomb.
• 48:00
  Right, right. Right.
• 48:01
  And this is, you know, this is a, a classic Valentino Rossi
• 48:03
  thing is put this stuff out in front of the press because now
• 48:07
  I'm going to put pressure on this other rider.
• 48:10
  I'm going to make him crack. But here's the thing.
• 48:12
  Marquez had nothing to lose, bro.
• 48:14
  He wasn't in the championship. So guess what?
• 48:16
  You going to throw me under the bus here?
• 48:18
  Guess I got nothing to lose and I'm faster than you.
• 48:22
  He did intentionally slow him down in a Malaysian race, OK.
• 48:27
  Why though? Why he he think about it?
• 48:30
  I'm not. Even I'm not even going to talk
• 48:32
  about sharing race. I'm waiting for a reading this
• 48:34
  way means for TJ to jump in you. And me, You and me are in a
• 48:37
  press conference before the Malaysian GP.
• 48:41
  I'm Valentino Rossi. I need to do well this race
• 48:45
  because I'm only so many points behind Lorenzo.
• 48:49
  If I finish in certain points here and finish certain points
• 48:51
  in Valencia, I'm going to win. I have a lot to lose.
• 48:55
  So what am I going to do? I'm going to pick a fight with a
• 48:57
  guy that's as fast or faster than me that has nothing to
• 49:01
  lose. I think that's.
• 49:04
  The craziest shit ever. I think, I think, I don't know
• 49:06
  if Rossi was wrong and but it might have been bad for him to
• 49:10
  say something. And you can see even in the
• 49:12
  final round of Valencia, where Marquez never once put Lorenzo
• 49:17
  under pressure. But here's the thing.
• 49:18
  Why? Why would I?
• 49:21
  I'm Marc Marquez. Why would I bother if I if I
• 49:24
  beat? Win the race.
• 49:26
  No, but if I beat Lorenzo, I'm going to give this motherfucker
• 49:30
  the championship. The same guy that just talked
• 49:32
  shit about me the week before. Yeah, I, I, I got, so I was.
• 49:36
  Shit to help him now, if he had said, man, I really wish Marquez
• 49:40
  could, you know, if Marquez could give me a little bit of
• 49:42
  help and slow Lorenzo down, I'd really appreciate it.
• 49:45
  That's one thing. But you didn't throw me under
• 49:47
  the bus. I'll let I'll let I'll say this
• 49:49
  after that happened, we've now seen a lot of Italians Moto GP,
• 49:56
  so Rossi will have help or any other type right in the future.
• 50:00
  Absolutely. But I'm saying like.
• 50:02
  But TJ, what are your thoughts on on what we Lewis and I have
• 50:08
  been going back and forth with you know, you watch the season
• 50:12
  my. Conspiracy.
• 50:13
  Is is it, Is it Rossi was the aggressor and he probably should
• 50:19
  have chilled or was was, you know, Pedros Marquez, all the
• 50:26
  other Spaniards, the the Alicia spraggro, Polo spraggro Daniels
• 50:33
  in front of Rossi, bro. I mean, there, there's a lot of
• 50:37
  dogs out there. I mean, just going into the last
• 50:40
  race, I, I know Rossi wanted the help from the Hondas at that
• 50:44
  point, especially how Nick Harris was saying like he wished
• 50:47
  that Hyundai can look out for him after all the championships
• 50:52
  he's won, you know, because he threw a season away.
• 50:56
  I think he got a little big in his head.
• 50:58
  I don't know what he said on that Thursday, but that race
• 51:03
  before the Valencia, you know, him and Marquez in the incident,
• 51:09
  I think he just threw a season away, just started lasting on
• 51:11
  the grid going into the last season.
• 51:13
  Like he had a chance, you know? He threw away when, when he made
• 51:18
  Marquez go down, that's when he threw it away.
• 51:21
  I mean, all of that stuff, you know what I'm saying?
• 51:24
  If if he if he would have just put up with Marquez, it would
• 51:27
  have been a different story. Yeah.
• 51:29
  And then Lewis is on on the track, you know, saying, like,
• 51:33
  you know, all the incidents that happened from the start of the
• 51:37
  season and it leads up to the end.
• 51:38
  And at this point, when you're not in the championship races,
• 51:42
  you know, like, you know, get out of my way.
• 51:44
  And I feel like Marquez is just always just a nuisance to him
• 51:47
  where he didn't expect him always just to be front running
• 51:51
  even though he had a couple championships.
• 51:54
  Like, you know, Danny Pedosa was hurt for the first part of the
• 51:57
  season and he came second-half and he was just like getting in
• 52:00
  the way as well. And Rossi and just Lorenzo kept
• 52:03
  getting away. Obviously he didn't finish in
• 52:05
  first all the time, but. It.
• 52:08
  Was just a, it was a big challenge.
• 52:10
  It was a big challenge and it was a, it was an interesting
• 52:13
  season. And one thing I know is that the
• 52:15
  rain caused a lot of problems. It's like the rain just wouldn't
• 52:19
  go away every race. It was just put the test to all
• 52:24
  these riders and it just made it that much harder for for the top
• 52:29
  kind of especially those. No, I, I, I completely agree.
• 52:32
  One of the things that I, I saw that was, was was chilling was
• 52:38
  after the Malaysian race when Pedroza, Rossi and Lorenzo was
• 52:44
  hanging out back before they went on the podium.
• 52:46
  And it was just Rossi and Pedroza talking.
• 52:49
  And I was just like, Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 52:52
  Pedroza and Lorenzo had beef where the king of Spain had to
• 52:55
  intervene to say, let's let's break bread.
• 52:57
  So, you know, Pedro Lorenzo is like the odd man out in that
• 53:01
  situation. So it was crazy to see.
• 53:04
  How are your thoughts, Reese, on the 20/20/2015 season?
• 53:08
  And is it, is it, is it, Is it Rossi's fault all the way or was
• 53:13
  he fighting against Spain? I mean, I don't say he's
• 53:17
  fighting in Spain. I just think it was, it's almost
• 53:19
  like an incident, you know, from all America.
• 53:21
  It's like, like Lewis said, you're going to get somebody
• 53:24
  that's not even in the championship.
• 53:26
  So why are you worrying about him?
• 53:28
  Let him go do his own thing. Like you don't have to go up
• 53:31
  against someone that's not even in the championship.
• 53:34
  The person that you need to focus on is the one that was
• 53:37
  upfront that's he needed to focus on and do it.
• 53:40
  I mean, it made good for viewing ship to see the battle.
• 53:44
  And that's like, you know, Rodger Hayden didn't say that in
• 53:46
  one of the podcast. You know, it's it's good to see
• 53:50
  a rivalry and that's what everybody wants to see.
• 53:52
  I think everyone wants to see that fight, that rival, you
• 53:57
  know, that fight and somebody the dog.
• 53:59
  So it didn't make good for the sport.
• 54:00
  It made it made everybody TuneIn to see what's going to happen.
• 54:04
  But there was this time where I think it's just it is uncalled
• 54:08
  for. I'm like man, just let it go.
• 54:10
  I think they still hold a grudge to the day.
• 54:12
  Yeah, yeah, I think I forget who it was.
• 54:15
  I don't know if it's him and Lorenzo or him and Marquez, but
• 54:17
  I, I forget after I think it was a Moto 3 rider that passed away.
• 54:21
  I think him and Mark, I think Brooke broke bread after that.
• 54:26
  But I don't think him and Lorenzo are besties, no.
• 54:32
  I mean, Lorenzo still to the day, Tried to imitate Rossi.
• 54:35
  Yeah, still to the day. You know, going to do car racing
• 54:38
  now and everything. I'm like, get it, Get your own
• 54:41
  hobby. Right, right.
• 54:43
  I mean, I think, I think they're all kind of doing that.
• 54:44
  But I mean, you know, it's easy to sit here and say, you know,
• 54:50
  focus on what you're doing because that is the right thing
• 54:52
  to do in any sport because you don't want anyone to get in your
• 54:54
  head to get an advantage. But it it it it does look a
• 54:59
  little bit that's very deliberate.
• 55:02
  But Marquez, when he's ready to fight, he can fight.
• 55:05
  And those opportunities where he he chose to chill and he should
• 55:08
  have been fighting because, I mean, yeah, yeah, I was out of
• 55:11
  the championship. But you still should show up.
• 55:13
  And, you know, we we've heard it, you know, saying time and
• 55:16
  time again, everybody wants to win.
• 55:18
  So we're not going to let anybody just come and come
• 55:20
  through. No one was letting when Rossi
• 55:23
  started in the last place on the grid in the final round, no one
• 55:26
  let him through. You know, everybody was fighting
• 55:28
  with him. So we didn't see that fight from
• 55:31
  Marquez. I mean is that?
• 55:34
  Yeah, but like I said, man, do you want to help a guy that just
• 55:38
  talk shit and threw you under the bus out?
• 55:41
  Like at a certain point, we're all, we're all human.
• 55:44
  Yeah. And we and we're all pretty
• 55:46
  shit. And guess what?
• 55:48
  Man. You talk shit about me if I have
• 55:52
  $1,000,000 in front of me or 500 grand here, I'll give up that
• 55:56
  500 grand and take this 500 grand as long as I know I fucked
• 56:00
  you out of 3,000,000, right? But that's how petty I am.
• 56:03
  But The thing is, I mean, if if Rossi is saying, hey, you're
• 56:06
  already doing it first, right? It'd be one thing if he if he
• 56:10
  just picked the fight, but. Rossi been doing this for 20
• 56:13
  years. What's that?
• 56:14
  He just talking shit? Except.
• 56:17
  Except this is the one time that somebody could actually do
• 56:20
  something about his shit talk. Well, I mean, at the end of the
• 56:25
  day, I mean, I don't know if it's a win for Marquez because
• 56:28
  he took the L by going down and obviously Rossi was penalized
• 56:32
  for it. So Rossi should have been
• 56:33
  smarter. But like, you know, out of the
• 56:35
  two of them in that situation, I mean, I, you know, but as we say
• 56:40
  about the Rossi, you know, fan base, it, it could have gone
• 56:45
  horribly differently. But think about all the times
• 56:48
  that Rossi folded, made other guys fold under the pressure,
• 56:52
  right? Marquez made Rossi fold under
• 56:55
  the pressure. He pissed Rossi off so much that
• 56:58
  Rossi did what he did. And even though Marquez went
• 57:02
  down, who got the penalty for it?
• 57:04
  Rossi. No, I agree.
• 57:06
  And and so Marquez just took a page out of the Valentino Rossi
• 57:10
  playbook. And I'm going to make life so
• 57:12
  difficult for this guy. I'm going to make him break
• 57:14
  mentally, and that's exactly what happened.
• 57:17
  Rossi broke from frustration right, and did what he did.
• 57:20
  Let me ask you this, right? If Marquez was to do the same
• 57:25
  things that he did then now wouldn't he, would he be
• 57:28
  penalized for it? Because we see guys getting
• 57:31
  penalized now. Oh no, now now, now.
• 57:34
  Penalties for like riding, like riding what is unsafe riding or,
• 57:39
  or or or cruising on the race line, like the the rules have
• 57:43
  changed dramatically since then. And if you are intentionally
• 57:47
  impeding somebody, there are rules out there.
• 57:49
  Not, you know, back then there was no long lap penalty, right?
• 57:52
  It was on. Race the long lap penalty.
• 57:55
  Yeah, it was on race control. Whether or not they were racing,
• 57:59
  they were both still competitive.
• 58:00
  They were both actually holding each other up.
• 58:02
  Like it got to the point that where they were both cutting
• 58:04
  each other off just because they were just in their they were in
• 58:08
  their own little fan race and they forgot where they were.
• 58:11
  They thought they were a track day.
• 58:13
  Rossi knew where he wanted to get to.
• 58:16
  He knew where he wanted to get to and and Marquez knew where he
• 58:18
  didn't want to let him go. They forgot there was 20 other
• 58:23
  guys out there racing in this big race was.
• 58:27
  Like come on bro, like come on. Like, let's go up front and
• 58:30
  fight and and that's before the incident happened.
• 58:34
  Yeah, no. And again, this goes back to if
• 58:36
  Rossi had just that Thursday and not stirred the pot the way he
• 58:41
  thought. He he thought he was going to
• 58:42
  stir the pot and break Marquez and Marquez was going to be
• 58:45
  like, oh, I need to, I need to not impede Rossi because now
• 58:48
  people think that I'm impeding Rossi.
• 58:50
  It it went the other way. He was like, oh, he thinks I'm
• 58:52
  impeding him. He ain't seen shit.
• 58:54
  Right, right, right, right, right.
• 58:57
  So I mean again, again. So he he he has a point.
• 59:01
  It's it's it's it's it's kind of like, OK, you think I'm an
• 59:04
  asshole. Now let me show you what an
• 59:05
  asshole do. Like bro you were asshole
• 59:08
  before. Yeah.
• 59:08
  No, no. No, you just became a bigger
• 59:12
  one. That's not even enough.
• 59:13
  We know that. Everybody knows that is this
• 59:16
  became a pissing contest of monumental proportions.
• 59:20
  That's really what it became. But let's go back one race.
• 59:24
  To. Australia, There's one guy.
• 59:27
  That did. Race to watch.
• 59:29
  There's one guy that did something in Australia that
• 59:32
  might have also caused Rossi the championship, and this mofo has
• 59:37
  skated under the radar for close to a decade.
• 59:41
  Who are you saying I have? I think I have an idea, but I'm
• 59:43
  gonna let you say. We all know that Rossi and
• 59:46
  Marquez were battling in second place, third place, second
• 59:49
  place, third place. Lorenzo kind of drifted away all
• 59:52
  of a sudden, Marquez decided with like a few laps left in the
• 59:55
  race, I'm just going to drop the hammer.
• 59:57
  Let's see what I could do. He passes Lorenzo.
• 59:59
  When he passed Lorenzo, he technically gave Rossi.
• 1:00:04
  Of five points back. So.
• 1:00:07
  Instead of going from a 25 point and a 16 point, it went to a 20
• 1:00:12
  point and a 16 point. So now he's only four points
• 1:00:15
  behind Lorenzo. Remember, he lost the
• 1:00:18
  championship by 5 points. All right, So he only four
• 1:00:22
  points behind and with less than one lap to go.
• 1:00:26
  All right, Rossi's in 3rd place. It looks like it's going to go
• 1:00:30
  down. Everything is is working out the
• 1:00:34
  way it should work out. If I can finish it in 3rd place,
• 1:00:37
  like I'm going to be able to salvage something.
• 1:00:39
  And all of a sudden, out of nowhere comes your boy Andrea
• 1:00:44
  Yannone, Valentino Rossi's homeboy passed him, took third
• 1:00:52
  place away from him, and now he went from being just a few
• 1:00:58
  points. This guy right here being
• 1:01:02
  running. Into Rossi.
• 1:01:03
  Boy took Rossi from 4 points all the way down to seven points
• 1:01:10
  away from Lorenzo. Remember, Rossi lost by 5
• 1:01:14
  points. This guy right here, this
• 1:01:19
  motherfucker right here, quietly, quietly took his third
• 1:01:23
  place and was like. And he's he's also the only guy
• 1:01:30
  that got caught up in doping so. I mean, he was, he was about to
• 1:01:33
  get ready for his modelling career.
• 1:01:35
  He's getting his surgery done. Like he just, you know, but
• 1:01:38
  still this dude right here I think had as much impact in the
• 1:01:42
  overall finish of things and people don't recognize him.
• 1:01:46
  Marquez actually helped Rossi a little in Australia, even if he
• 1:01:49
  didn't mean to. This guy anti health Rossi and
• 1:01:53
  this is his boy. Yeah, I mean, again, I mean, you
• 1:01:57
  know, like, like, like I said it, it's one of those things
• 1:02:00
  where, you know, I mean, obviously we human beings and
• 1:02:04
  we're not always going to do all the right things.
• 1:02:06
  And I'm, I'm not giving, I guess we're giving Marquez a little
• 1:02:09
  pass for his behaviour. But, you know, it's, Yeah, I
• 1:02:14
  mean, you, that's the whole thing about not cracking under
• 1:02:16
  pressure, right? Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Don't show up with a toupee on Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  Don't show me the toupee you. Don't get it knocked off.
• 1:02:25
  I mean it again, I you guys know this is probably one of the best
• 1:02:29
  seasons just of competitive motorcycling that we've had in a
• 1:02:34
  long time. And the Australian round was was
• 1:02:37
  amazing to watch. I mean the back and forth was,
• 1:02:41
  was, was. And he only got out to a good
• 1:02:43
  start in that race. Yeah, he was.
• 1:02:45
  He was the person that relapsed. But that's not how you start.
• 1:02:48
  That's how you finish. But.
• 1:02:49
  By the seagull. Yeah, that's the Seagull race.
• 1:02:53
  Seagull race. I think my my favorite race of
• 1:02:57
  the season was Mazzano. It's like I don't think we'll
• 1:03:00
  ever see or I don't know if it can happen again.
• 1:03:02
  But going from a drive bike to a wet bike back to a drive bike
• 1:03:07
  and then seeing seeing Valentino Rossi race on wet tyres when
• 1:03:11
  he's not supposed to dragon Lorenzo as far as he could to to
• 1:03:16
  not ruin the championship lead and stuff like that.
• 1:03:19
  And he had to crash it like it was it was a good season.
• 1:03:22
  That was one of my favorite races then.
• 1:03:24
  Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of crashes and who else who who as
• 1:03:30
  as you talk, talk about Bradley Smith getting on the podium
• 1:03:33
  because he he gambled like, I mean, I guess he's he's Bender
• 1:03:38
  before Bender, you know, he's just like what I got to lose and
• 1:03:43
  and and go out there on slicks. This was the.
• 1:03:46
  Last year, I think this was also the last year for an ART bike.
• 1:03:49
  It was the last year for like that.
• 1:03:51
  Like weird frame, Kawasaki ZX motor and like a Skalix or a
• 1:03:58
  suitor frame. You know, this was a year that
• 1:04:04
  the first year that Prilia came back to the championship, you
• 1:04:08
  know, like there was a lot of stuff like this was a overall,
• 1:04:12
  this was one of the most entertaining years.
• 1:04:14
  You know, it sucks that it's quiet and so much controversy
• 1:04:17
  because it was really, really, man, like, one of the most
• 1:04:20
  entertaining years. Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  You know, and and that was that's probably the first year
• 1:04:26
  that the Honda was starting to go back because you even hear
• 1:04:30
  for jokes, just like, man, that bike is just shaking all the
• 1:04:33
  time. I have to use so much energy
• 1:04:35
  just to just to finish on the podium.
• 1:04:37
  I'm like bro, but you're on the podium.
• 1:04:42
  But it was 21 spots better than I can do.
• 1:04:44
  Yeah, right. Like imagine if that bike was
• 1:04:48
  you know and and it you know, goes to show that you know what
• 1:04:51
  Mark can ride around on other riders can't you know with as
• 1:04:55
  far as how the bike feels. Yeah.
• 1:04:57
  But also Mark calls that because Honda was so focused on trying
• 1:05:01
  to make him a bike that he liked riding that they ended up making
• 1:05:04
  a bike nobody could ride because he does have a a style that is
• 1:05:08
  unique to himself. Right, Right.
• 1:05:11
  And and yeah. And if you focus so much on one
• 1:05:14
  rider now, you make it unrideable for everybody else
• 1:05:16
  because, you know, Kyle Crutchlow tell you when he was
• 1:05:18
  on the Honda, nobody could ride it like Marquez.
• 1:05:21
  You know, no, these guys that have ridden the Honda throughout
• 1:05:24
  the years, especially when Marquez was the a guy Honda,
• 1:05:28
  they all tell you the bike was just the only guy that could
• 1:05:31
  make it go fast is Marquez. I, I, I, I completely agree.
• 1:05:37
  And, you know, we'll see what the future look like for Ducati
• 1:05:40
  if, you know, if they've made the the right decisions or, you
• 1:05:45
  know, chasing that illustrial, you know, financial statement at
• 1:05:50
  the end of the year, it's worth it.
• 1:05:53
  Money, money, money, money, money.
• 1:05:56
  Back that truck up. I don't think, I don't think
• 1:05:59
  Ducati will make the same mistakes that Honda made.
• 1:06:03
  I think Honda just put too many chips in on one guy.
• 1:06:05
  And even Honda now I think has realized the mistake they made
• 1:06:08
  and they're making a bike that more people can ride because
• 1:06:11
  it's not just one guy that's doing well on the Honda.
• 1:06:14
  You know, Zarku did well on the Honda, Mir did well on the
• 1:06:16
  Honda, Marini did well on the Honda.
• 1:06:19
  The only one that didn't do well was Chandra.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah, early he had. He had to take that sign and
• 1:06:25
  sign and just stayed one more year.
• 1:06:28
  But, you know, this was the year we had, you know, Yanni
• 1:06:31
  Hernandez. Right the the original YN.
• 1:06:36
  The yeah, the original OG Hector, Barbara Alva, Bautista,
• 1:06:42
  Loris Bass, Stephen Brattle, Nikki Hayden and Mckaylee.
• 1:06:45
  I think this was the last year Nikki Hayden was actually OGT.
• 1:06:49
  Then actually he went to work with Bike Piero Eugene Laverty,
• 1:06:54
  which again, dude. Salvadori.
• 1:06:59
  Like I think they had, what was it?
• 1:07:01
  How many riders actually competed that year?
• 1:07:05
  All the good riders, man, all the top guys.
• 1:07:07
  Yeah, Oh, Bass Lewis Bass was there.
• 1:07:10
  Yep, Yep. 19221223, dude, I I want to say they had, there was
• 1:07:18
  36 riders that competed in that year at some point, whether it's
• 1:07:22
  a wild card, A1 off a replacement rider.
• 1:07:26
  That's a lot of people, man, Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, yeah. Haslam.
• 1:07:29
  Was it Haslam, Liam? Haslam wasn't on here, but you
• 1:07:34
  still had not. Haslam.
• 1:07:35
  Then there's another. Carol Abraham, his daddy, was
• 1:07:39
  still paying for him to stay. I think Haslam wasn't there.
• 1:07:43
  Liam Haslam. Nah, I don't see Haslam.
• 1:07:47
  I see Brock Park. Yeah.
• 1:07:49
  Damon Cudlin. Michael Laverty.
• 1:07:53
  Eugene Laverty. So maybe Eugene?
• 1:07:55
  Laverty, Anthony West. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:58
  Yeah, Tony Audio. Cordy Melandre, Tony Elias.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah. Elias, yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Was it was it was it was a crazy.
• 1:08:08
  Some of those guys have been went to Moto America too, like
• 1:08:11
  Tony Elias, Lawrence Bass. Oh yeah, he's still in.
• 1:08:15
  He's still in Moto America. Hey, Tony.
• 1:08:17
  Baz went to Moto World Super Bike and did really well.
• 1:08:20
  Yep. Tony Elias the The main thing
• 1:08:23
  with Tony Elias is remember Tony Elias was the first ever Moto 2
• 1:08:27
  champion and forever in the history books.
• 1:08:30
  He'll always be like the first Moto 2 champion and and you
• 1:08:36
  know, the dude leaned his entire body off the bike when the bike
• 1:08:40
  would just still stay straight up and down because he's still
• 1:08:42
  small. Oh yeah, Speaking of that race,
• 1:08:47
  was it the Malaysian race with with Rossi?
• 1:08:51
  Yeah, his his corner speed was crazy.
• 1:08:54
  Like like he like when he almost lost it taking Marquez on the
• 1:08:59
  inside, but like he was like he was laying that bike on his
• 1:09:03
  side, bro. Yeah, man, yeah.
• 1:09:09
  Again, I hope one day, I hope when this new bike comes out,
• 1:09:14
  the 2027 bike, I hope we can get this kind of riding again, man.
• 1:09:17
  Because I remember like look, looking at some of these races,
• 1:09:22
  I mean, there was some races it felt like there was like 100
• 1:09:24
  passes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:28
  Especially the Noni and Marquez and Noni pass 2 riders, I think.
• 1:09:33
  I don't know Lorenzo and Rossi at the same in one corner.
• 1:09:37
  Over Lukey Heights, people just die bombing to the inside.
• 1:09:41
  I mean, it was crazy, man. Now we don't get no passes.
• 1:09:44
  We got dirty air, can't get past nothing.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty wild to see. 2015 was an
• 1:09:52
  amazing year. And you know, it was last year
• 1:09:55
  that Lorenzo won the title and it wasn't a Gimme.
• 1:09:59
  You know, I, you know, you, when you think about, when you think
• 1:10:01
  about Rossi's career and how many runner UPS he had, like he
• 1:10:06
  had, he had like at least 4 runner UPS, second places that
• 1:10:10
  he finished overall in the championship, which is crazy.
• 1:10:15
  And, and he won it, you know, 5 five times.
• 1:10:19
  I think this was the last championship Lorenzo won also.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was his last championship.
• 1:10:25
  Yeah, yeah. Last year I had to hear him
• 1:10:26
  crying. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:28
  But I think Yamaha made that mistake when I don't know if
• 1:10:31
  they knew that Lorenzo was going to be a champion in Yamaha, but
• 1:10:34
  they made that. I mean, I, you know, we could
• 1:10:35
  say Rossi thought he might have been going to Formula One, but
• 1:10:39
  they made that mistake bringing 2 world champions and you know,
• 1:10:42
  and you know where I, you know, I go to Ducati and say, hey man,
• 1:10:45
  you already have a world champion here, actually 2.
• 1:10:49
  Like, you know it it that you know, oil and water don't don't
• 1:10:53
  mix. I mean, they thought it was
• 1:10:56
  going to mix, but man, it didn't mix, man.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah, that's why I had to put that wall up.
• 1:11:02
  You know, like it's, it sucks because, you know, I think, I
• 1:11:06
  think he did one more year with Yamaha after this.
• 1:11:09
  And then in 2017 he went to Ducati and and.
• 1:11:14
  Then in 2018. Yeah, and Ducati.
• 1:11:18
  And then he went to Honda for one year, right?
• 1:11:19
  Yeah, and then he realized that only Marquez could ride that
• 1:11:23
  shit box, that he was going from there, too.
• 1:11:27
  He jacked up his spine. Was it with Honda or or Ducati?
• 1:11:30
  I think he hurt himself with Ducati because he did have a lot
• 1:11:33
  of crashes, but then when he finally did get the parts he
• 1:11:36
  needed from Ducati. Yeah, that was that was the
• 1:11:38
  second-half of the second year. Then he'd already signed to to
• 1:11:42
  Honda, but I thought he had hurt himself with with back issues
• 1:11:48
  and and. It was in 2018.
• 1:11:50
  So what was 28? Two.
• 1:11:51
  He was on the Honda at the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah, yeah. So yeah.
• 1:11:54
  So yeah. Yeah, he had a, he had a brake
• 1:11:56
  failure in Qatar. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:00
  Yeah, it was. That was the last crash.
• 1:12:02
  He was like, you know what? You know what?
• 1:12:04
  I got this big pile of money home.
• 1:12:07
  I'm going to. Enjoy it, I'm going to let my
• 1:12:10
  belly grow a little bit. I think he might be like, is it
• 1:12:13
  Rolandini or whatever that Spanish but or not Spanish, but
• 1:12:17
  the the football player that just gained a lot of weight
• 1:12:19
  after he stopped playing like Rolandino, yeah.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah, yeah. Like Lorenzo probably put on
• 1:12:25
  like 40 lbs. I don't know how many he
• 1:12:29
  definitely. He's definitely a Roly Poly now.
• 1:12:33
  Would. Like a young Danny DeVito.
• 1:12:41
  I will say though, in the last year he did slim down a little
• 1:12:44
  bit. I think somebody was like, yo,
• 1:12:46
  let me talk to you for a minute bro.
• 1:12:50
  It's it's showing up on the TV camera.
• 1:12:52
  It's not the camera adding 10 lbs, It's you.
• 1:12:55
  Sorry you adding 10. Pounds.
• 1:13:00
  It's you. Yeah.
• 1:13:00
  He wearing no sweaters and that scarf, man, Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  It's gonna be that way out. No, man, I, I, I, you know, it's
• 1:13:12
  been fun reviewing these seasons because, you know, you don't
• 1:13:15
  really go back and look at them. And then when you do go back and
• 1:13:18
  look at them, you really do appreciate like, you know, the
• 1:13:21
  stuff that happened in the past, the riders that were there, the
• 1:13:23
  things that you know, we see. And then you also kind I, I also
• 1:13:27
  appreciate what's happening now. You know, you you learn from
• 1:13:30
  your past, you appreciate the present, But that that was one
• 1:13:34
  of those years, man. It, it ended.
• 1:13:35
  It ended not well for a lot of people.
• 1:13:39
  You know, like, you know, you never want to see things end in
• 1:13:42
  this kind of championship and controversy.
• 1:13:45
  And it's sad that it's kind of carried over So for so many
• 1:13:47
  years. We're going out in over a decade
• 1:13:50
  and, you know, Marquez wins in Italy and people are booing him.
• 1:13:54
  His brother wins in Italy. They're booing his brother.
• 1:13:57
  Like his brother got nothing to do with it, man.
• 1:13:58
  Like he just shares the name. He wasn't even there.
• 1:14:01
  Like I didn't think he was in Moto 3 at the time.
• 1:14:04
  He wasn't even in Moto 3 at the time I don't think.
• 1:14:06
  You watch. You watch The Godfather.
• 1:14:08
  Come on man. Oh yeah, yeah, I know, man.
• 1:14:10
  It's family. You, you inherit that guilty
• 1:14:15
  You, you inherited it, man. That's that's just it.
• 1:14:17
  You inherit that bullet. Touch I'm, I'm hoping that I'm
• 1:14:23
  hoping that as the years go on that these two guys will kind of
• 1:14:29
  put it behind them because, you know, it, it, it's toxic to
• 1:14:33
  carry, you know, hatred for a long time, man, Like that's,
• 1:14:36
  that's just toxic in your body. And sometimes you just kind of
• 1:14:40
  need to look in the mirror and be the bigger man.
• 1:14:42
  Say, look, man, you know what, whatever happened between us, it
• 1:14:45
  happened. But you know, someday you and me
• 1:14:47
  are going to be gone and we shouldn't go before we kind of
• 1:14:51
  tell each other the the truth, man.
• 1:14:53
  Let's, let's bury this. Let's, let's, let's do it
• 1:14:55
  publicly, man. Hey, man, bro, I'm trying.
• 1:14:57
  I'm trying to be sentimental. Give me that moment, because I
• 1:15:00
  don't. Have a no.
• 1:15:02
  I was like yo. Fucking in like 2 minutes.
• 1:15:06
  I was like, I was talking like, what the heck, man?
• 1:15:08
  Hey, hey, hold on. Hold.
• 1:15:10
  On like the. Bird error man, come on like you
• 1:15:14
  know, we we still hate them to this day.
• 1:15:17
  I was. Like yo is this a recording
• 1:15:19
  error? Like yo wait, lose it
• 1:15:21
  sentimental. I ain't going to lie, still hate
• 1:15:23
  Reggie Miller for what he used to do with my Knicks every year.
• 1:15:28
  Hey, you talk about Barry the Hatchet.
• 1:15:29
  How many years was that? Yeah, we haven't won a
• 1:15:32
  championship in basketball and I don't count that mid season
• 1:15:35
  champ. That's a that's a bullshit
• 1:15:37
  championship, man. But no, you have, you know, you
• 1:15:40
  haven't won since Phil. What you want to call it, Phil
• 1:15:45
  Jackson won. No, we haven't the Knicks.
• 1:15:49
  The Knicks haven't won a. Player as a player.
• 1:15:52
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Yeah. Oh.
• 1:15:55
  Like Knicks had that one shit. Coach as a player was the last
• 1:15:58
  time the Knicks won. And Lewis terms then this is the
• 1:16:04
  shit box. Listen to me.
• 1:16:08
  I have. In my lifetime, since I've been
• 1:16:11
  alive, the Knicks haven't won. Yeah.
• 1:16:18
  The the last time the Knicks won, I was born like so I didn't
• 1:16:23
  even get to enjoy it. Yeah. 50 something years ago,
• 1:16:28
  50. 50 something years ago, man. I hope, I hope you're not a
• 1:16:33
  Cowboys. Fan too.
• 1:16:34
  No, no. No.
• 1:16:38
  I'm not a glutton for punishment.
• 1:16:43
  They they won in the 80s, so it's OK you were alive.
• 1:16:45
  Well, I mean it's. Still a long time, but you know,
• 1:16:48
  yeah. It's not like the, the, the Cubs
• 1:16:51
  or, or, or the Red Sox. I mean, you know, and granted,
• 1:16:54
  there's a long time that the Patriots didn't win.
• 1:16:56
  So I still remember them days too.
• 1:16:59
  It's it's it's tough to be a fan.
• 1:17:01
  I mean, you know what I mean, But die hard fans, you know,
• 1:17:05
  they, they, they, they, they with the good times and they
• 1:17:08
  with the bad times. And those are the true die hard
• 1:17:10
  fans and them are the people you want around you.
• 1:17:12
  Well. Hopefully we can reach out and
• 1:17:15
  get some more people to be die hair fans and motorcycle racing
• 1:17:18
  because it's a fun sport. It builds a great community.
• 1:17:22
  You know, you see people, you know, getting together the track
• 1:17:25
  and it's there's nothing like it, man.
• 1:17:27
  So hopefully we can. You know, I mean, I think we I
• 1:17:31
  think we are because I mean, sitting at the podium club, you
• 1:17:34
  know, you've seen a bunch of people coming out from the
• 1:17:36
  Arizona area and they just like, so I think we might get some
• 1:17:39
  more fans out there in that section on the West Coast that's
• 1:17:42
  coming out to the Laguna. Yeah, Podium Club is a is a nice
• 1:17:46
  track man. And and I know that that area,
• 1:17:48
  Arizona, Scottsdale, like there's a lot of people that go
• 1:17:52
  out that way and that track's helping, you know, build a nice
• 1:17:55
  little community out there, riders and races and getting a
• 1:17:57
  lot of St. guys off the track and onto the off the street and
• 1:18:01
  onto the track. You know, this, this couple of
• 1:18:04
  weeks ago when I was in Homestead, I had two guys from
• 1:18:06
  the Dallas area come down to Homestead and they got a huge
• 1:18:10
  following in social media because they're known for like
• 1:18:14
  being stunters, man. They do wheelies on the
• 1:18:16
  highways, they do roller racing and all this.
• 1:18:19
  And now they finally decided to like kind of go to the track and
• 1:18:22
  start testing their skills more. And they're realizing like, you
• 1:18:25
  know what, man, this bike thing, we got a lot to learn.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, yeah, for sure that that that tends to happen.
• 1:18:33
  And you know, to touch on the the fan base, what was
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  interesting was like Czech Republic had like over 240,000
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  people that came through. So there was some huge numbers
• 1:18:45
  that were coming out back then. So it, I don't know if it's the
• 1:18:48
  pandemic, I don't know, like roughly when it started to come
• 1:18:51
  back down. Obviously this past year was
• 1:18:53
  breaking record numbers as well, but that was shocking for me to
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  hear. Like, oh wow.
• 1:18:58
  Well, the pandemic had a lot to do with a lot of things.
• 1:19:01
  Had a lot. Yeah.
• 1:19:03
  Because in sales with motorcycles and power sports,
• 1:19:08
  they went through the roof, right?
• 1:19:09
  Just because people had literally nothing to do.
• 1:19:13
  Maybe just trying to find out something to do as a family.
• 1:19:15
  So. Right.
• 1:19:15
  Right, right. So they brought new avenues.
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  Yeah, Bruno, the Czech Republic has always had like a, a pretty
• 1:19:23
  substantial fan base, you know, and they'll come out rain or
• 1:19:26
  shine, like all of whatever. For whatever reason, man, all
• 1:19:28
  the European rounds do good, man Silverstone, Bruno Le Mans, the
• 1:19:34
  Italian races, the Spanish Grand Prix, like they, they, the, the
• 1:19:38
  fanaticism out there is massive. And I think here in the US,
• 1:19:45
  we're slowly starting to see that because year over year
• 1:19:48
  we're starting to see more and more people.
• 1:19:50
  You know, Reese and I go to a lot of Motor America events and
• 1:19:53
  some do better than others. But the one thing that we've
• 1:19:55
  seen steadily over the last 2-3 years is the crowds keep getting
• 1:20:00
  slightly bigger than the year before and slightly.
• 1:20:02
  And in some places, like the jump is significant, you know,
• 1:20:05
  like some places like New Jersey and Road America and like the
• 1:20:11
  the amount of people coming out is insane.
• 1:20:14
  You know, even this past year, it's the first time that I've
• 1:20:16
  been to Laguna in a couple years.
• 1:20:18
  And I was really surprised by how many people actually went to
• 1:20:21
  Laguna. You know, So I think as if more
• 1:20:26
  America keeps doing the right things and they go to the right
• 1:20:29
  tracks and, you know, they keep building up.
• 1:20:31
  Like, like we were saying before the show started, Super bike
• 1:20:34
  this year is massive. Like this is going to be the
• 1:20:37
  best super bike grid that we've had.
• 1:20:40
  I mean, Reese, would you say in like 15 years?
• 1:20:43
  Yeah, I would say this is back in the AMA days that we just.
• 1:20:50
  I mean, we have potentially 10 to 13 guys that can all
• 1:20:55
  legitimately win, not just the same four or five guys.
• 1:20:58
  Right. And and then that's, you know,
• 1:21:01
  and there's so many teams. We got so many manufacturers.
• 1:21:03
  We got Ducati, we got Honda, we got Yamaha, we got BMW, You
• 1:21:07
  know, I mean, we're still miss, you know, we got Suzuki, but we
• 1:21:10
  know what's going to be the deal.
• 1:21:12
  They asked Suzuki, they haven't done anything, but then we got
• 1:21:14
  Suzuki. You know, I'd like to see
• 1:21:17
  Kawasaki back at some point because that's the only OEM
• 1:21:22
  that's really missing. And but you know, I think this
• 1:21:25
  year we're going to be surprised, man.
• 1:21:26
  We're going to go out there, we're going to do some rounds
• 1:21:29
  and you know, we're we're, we're probably going to do some like
• 1:21:32
  on the spot. If we get together at some of
• 1:21:35
  the tracks, we'll do some on the spot.
• 1:21:37
  Be forever Cool podcast live from the track.
• 1:21:40
  Oh yeah, definitely we. We we got to get Rexy out of the
• 1:21:44
  chair out there, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:45
  Jesus Christ. I'm I'm out this here this year,
• 1:21:49
  man, I'm out this year. I'm going to be rolling down the
• 1:21:52
  street this year for sure. So we're going, we're going to
• 1:21:58
  have some fun at these Motor America rounds.
• 1:22:01
  I'm I'm looking forward to it. So, and on that note, I think
• 1:22:05
  it's time to get out of here guys.
• 1:22:07
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• 1:22:09
  I really appreciate all the good and the bad.
• 1:22:12
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• 1:22:15
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• 1:22:19
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• 1:22:22
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• 1:22:24
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• 1:22:31
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• 1:22:34
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• 1:22:36
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• 1:22:38
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• 1:22:41
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• 1:22:44
  Peace what? Was that big time?