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Ep. 343: BONUS Talking Turkey with Mark Drury · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.
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Speaker 1: You maybe weren't expecting an episode today, but we are
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Speaker 1: here to kick off what I'm going to refer to
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Speaker 1: as Turkey Month here at Wired to Hunt, April is
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Speaker 1: upon us. Turkeys are goblin and I think we all
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Speaker 1: need a distraction from some of the stuff going on
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Speaker 1: in the rest of the world. Here right now in April,
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteens putting a downer on a lot of things
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Speaker 1: impacting a lot of people's health. It's uh, it's a
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Speaker 1: bad situation. But turkeys are one good thing we can
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Speaker 1: look too. So I thought, let's do an extra podcast
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Speaker 1: every week this month talking turkeys. So that's what we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do. These are short and sweet episodes tactic focus,
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Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes long each time, where it's gonna give
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Speaker 1: you the info you need to get out there turkey
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Speaker 1: hunting over the next weeks and months. So today we're
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Speaker 1: kicking it off with Mark Drewy. If you listen to
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Speaker 1: the podcast, you know who he is. He's one of
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Speaker 1: the founders of Drewy Outdoors. An incredible deer hunter, incredible
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Speaker 1: turkey hunter, and just always fascinating to talk to. So
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Speaker 1: today talking with him about how he turkey hunts differently
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Speaker 1: in different areas, different parts of the country, how he
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Speaker 1: approaches turkey hunting for different subspecies, how he changes the
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Speaker 1: turkey's mood, his favorite decoy setups, how he strikes up
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Speaker 1: birds that don't talk, and a whole lot more. This
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Speaker 1: is one's It's just jam packed the great information. So
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Speaker 1: we're not going to beat around the bush at all
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Speaker 1: on these episodes. I'm gonna let you get right into
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Speaker 1: it with our first bonus turkey episode of the month
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Speaker 1: with Mark Drewy. All Right, I am excited to be
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Speaker 1: back on the line here with my friend Mark Drewy. Mark,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me again. Man, I'm so happy to
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Speaker 1: be here in Ark. I love the subject today, buddy,
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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Usually we're talking about deer, but now you're
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Speaker 1: finally getting into something that I love more than you. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you just admitted to me that turkeys are true love.
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Speaker 1: And I was a little shocked by that. Is that
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Speaker 1: you're willing to go public with it. Oh my goodness. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they are my first love, true love. I've been fascinated
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Speaker 1: with him since I was a little kid, and uh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why other than uh, my uncle's used
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Speaker 1: to always come down to grade school when I was
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Speaker 1: a little bitty kid, second third grade. And this is
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Speaker 1: back when turkey seasons were new in Missouri, and if
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Speaker 1: they killed a turkey, and both my uncle's, Marvin and Leroy,
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Speaker 1: were both serious turkey enters, they would always bring their
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Speaker 1: dead turkey by the school. And the entire school I
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Speaker 1: lived in a very small town, you know, small classes
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Speaker 1: twenty each, so you're talking maybe a hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: kids tops through eight grades. Everyone would come out and
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Speaker 1: look at these turkeys and they would pick feathers off
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Speaker 1: of them and give them to everybody. And I was
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Speaker 1: always so proud of that because they were my uncle's
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Speaker 1: bringing them by. And I don't know if that's what
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Speaker 1: got me so fascinated with him at a young age,
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Speaker 1: but I've always been fascinated with the wild turkey. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: there's something, at least for me. There's also something just
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Speaker 1: about that gobble just being able to talk and interact.
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Speaker 1: And I've always wondered if if white tailed deer could gobble,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I'd ever leave the woods at all
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Speaker 1: the entire year. I would just be just done for it.
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Speaker 1: Have no wife, no kids. You combine those two things,
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Speaker 1: I'd just be shot. Boy. Isn't that the truth? You know?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so much fun. And likewise, if
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Speaker 1: turkeys could smell, we'd never kill one. Yeah, that's very true.
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Speaker 1: Uh So, Mark, We're doing these short and sweet bonus
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Speaker 1: turkey podcasts where I'm pulling in various avid turkey hunters
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Speaker 1: and just trying to go rapid fire with them on
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Speaker 1: some turkey tactics and ideas for about thirty minutes. And
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Speaker 1: with you, You're you're kind of unique compared to a
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Speaker 1: lot of people in regards to turkeys because you get
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Speaker 1: to travel a ton, you do these turkey tours, um
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Speaker 1: And I wanted to kind of pick your brain on
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Speaker 1: how you approach turkey hunting in different areas, in different
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Speaker 1: regions of the country differently, Um too, I guess to
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Speaker 1: set us off on the right foot, can you really
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Speaker 1: briefly explain, like, what does this turkey tour thing you've
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Speaker 1: been doing. I know you've got this series going on
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Speaker 1: YouTube can you give us the quick cut cliff notes
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Speaker 1: on on what that's all about. Just we have some
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Speaker 1: context about where all you've been, what you're what states
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Speaker 1: you're hunting all that. Sure, I generally hunt seven, eight, nine,
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Speaker 1: ten states of Spring because I am so passionate about it.
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Speaker 1: And we started doing what I called the Turkey Tour
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Speaker 1: my goodness years ago. And uh, of course, with the
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Speaker 1: advent of everything going online through social media and YouTube,
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Speaker 1: we started doing our series online and um, it's really
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Speaker 1: taken off. It has a great viewership across Instagram, Facebook,
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Speaker 1: our our YouTube, and um, I start down south generally Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi,
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Speaker 1: somewhere down there. I love Georgia. Uh. Then I'll go
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Speaker 1: to Texas, then Oklahoma, then Kansas. And it's so nice
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Speaker 1: because you're you're catching the opening day everywhere you go
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Speaker 1: as you float north right. So then after Kansas, then
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Speaker 1: I'll head to Missouri, Iowa, stay there for a while,
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Speaker 1: and then I'll either go to Nebraska, uh, which I
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Speaker 1: go to Nebraska, are ye, or I'll go further west.
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Speaker 1: Last year I went to Oregon, UM. But this year,
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Speaker 1: interestingly enough, I've really reduced my travel because of the
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Speaker 1: the virus and the stay at home orders for so
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Speaker 1: many different states, so I'm much more limited. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: stay on my home court this year. But I've hunted
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many different states, maybe twenty through
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Speaker 1: the years. But I've been to a lot of different
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Speaker 1: places and had some phenomenal times with a lot of
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Speaker 1: good friends. And do you feel are there very noticeable
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Speaker 1: differences in how either the birds behave or how you
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Speaker 1: have to behave as a hunter when you go from
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Speaker 1: one reason to another, one state to another. To some
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Speaker 1: degree yes, and to other degrees no. Sometimes based on subspecies,
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Speaker 1: I hunt a little bit differently, and sometimes based on
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Speaker 1: terrain where they live, I hunt very differently. You know,
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Speaker 1: if you compare a hardwood forest in the Midwest to
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Speaker 1: the open topography of northwest Oklahoma, vastly different and the
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Speaker 1: turkeys react differently, they act differently during the day. Of course,
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Speaker 1: those are two different subspecies as well. Um So yes,
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Speaker 1: tactics definitely change based on region, and I hud a
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Speaker 1: lot of varied regions and a varied topography. So the
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Speaker 1: more visual it is, the more ground I cover, and
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Speaker 1: the more I use decoys, the less visual it is,
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Speaker 1: the less ground I covered by vehicle. When I say
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Speaker 1: covered ground, i'm I'm covering big expanses, you know, looking
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Speaker 1: for turkeys. If if you have the room to roam, Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's what I do. However, if I'm you know, on foot,
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Speaker 1: like I often am in Georgia or in the Midwest,
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Speaker 1: then I'm walking and calling and slowly working my way
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Speaker 1: through Turkey country. And I'm oftentimes in the woods or
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Speaker 1: are just on the outskirts of those woods, and I'm
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Speaker 1: doing a combination of the two, looking and calling. So uh,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a visual game when you're in big, open country,
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Speaker 1: and more of an audible game I think when you're
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Speaker 1: in a little bit tighter country. I talked to someone
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Speaker 1: on the same topic, I don't know a few days ago,
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Speaker 1: and another thing they mentioned about changing Turkey behavior was
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Speaker 1: hunting pressure. They felt like certain regions, like in their case,
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Speaker 1: they thought the South had a lot more turkey hunting
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Speaker 1: pressure and that significantly influenced how these turkeys behaved. Um,
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Speaker 1: have you seen anything with pressure being different in different
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Speaker 1: parts of the country. You're different types of properties that
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Speaker 1: maybe influences what you do. Absolutely, I mean, you can
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Speaker 1: pressure turkey right into not gobbling at all. Um. If
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Speaker 1: that's the case, if you're hunting public ground or you're
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Speaker 1: hunting really highly pressured birds, man, I'm I'm I'm backing
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Speaker 1: off the calls almost completely, and I'll get almost inaudible
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Speaker 1: with the stuff I'm doing. It's wing beat stuff. It's
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Speaker 1: spitting and drumming with my voice. It's um scratching in
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Speaker 1: the leaves, and it's more tactical, and I really slow
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Speaker 1: down my overall approach. Um birds that haven't been pestered
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Speaker 1: with too much, I'm a lot more vocal to and
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Speaker 1: I'm a lot less patient with those turkeys. If I've
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Speaker 1: got room to roam, I'm trying to find a hot one.
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Speaker 1: If I'm limited in room, or I'm hunting really high
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Speaker 1: pressured birds, then I'm much more patient. You know, I
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Speaker 1: might spend days on the same turkey and barely move
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Speaker 1: at all, try to figure out his pattern and kill
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Speaker 1: him like a white tailed deer. Uh. They're still killable,
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Speaker 1: but you've got to be smart and you'll kill a
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Speaker 1: lot of those those birds mid morning through evening. That's
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Speaker 1: uh something Sometimes you don't run into nearly as many
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Speaker 1: hunters the later in the day. You get If it's
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Speaker 1: an all day state afternoons or death on those heavily
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Speaker 1: hunted birds, death death. I mean, that's the time to
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Speaker 1: kill high pressured birds. So what do you do in
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Speaker 1: that late afternoon time period. I mean you mentioned hunting
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Speaker 1: them like a white tailed deer, But if you don't
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Speaker 1: have like the history with an area where you don't
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Speaker 1: know how they're moving through a region yet, how do
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Speaker 1: you approach that time period when you're trying to figure
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Speaker 1: it out still because you're typically not talking as much.
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Speaker 1: Sure they're not talking hardly at all. I try to
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Speaker 1: get into areas that I've already pre scouted, or I
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Speaker 1: know from past history there's birds there, or I know
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Speaker 1: from the sign that I'm seeing at that time, hey
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Speaker 1: there's turkeys here. And then I I just slink through
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Speaker 1: the woods like a dang bobcat, and I'll set up
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Speaker 1: and I'll call light, real light. Every once in a while,
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Speaker 1: I'll get aggressive, you know, and try and shock one
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Speaker 1: into gobbles to see if I can get him to
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Speaker 1: give his position up. If he does, then I'm going
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Speaker 1: to him, and then I'm I'm switching back into low gear.
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Speaker 1: So you you really got to train your ear because
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Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna get a lot of gobbles that
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Speaker 1: time of the day, or even on public ground in general.
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Speaker 1: Get to where they're at and then don't make them
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Speaker 1: gobble a lot. If you're calling a lot and you're
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Speaker 1: trying to make that turkey gobble, guess what, you're drawing
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Speaker 1: other people to your your spot. So try to get
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Speaker 1: him killed without making him talk. That's part of the
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Speaker 1: key to hunting high pressured birds and public ground birds.
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Speaker 1: That takes a lot of patience, and you just gotta
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Speaker 1: be willing to sit in the same spot, and you're
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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of times where you don't kill
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Speaker 1: because you've gotta always pretend he's on his way he's
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Speaker 1: coming in. Otherwise you're not gonna be ready when he
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Speaker 1: gets there. Nine out of tim times he's probably not
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Speaker 1: on his way to you. But that one time that
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Speaker 1: he comes slipping in real quiet, you've been sitting there
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Speaker 1: an hour and a half, two hours, when all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden you hear him, drummond, better be ready or
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Speaker 1: he's gonna nail you. Yeah. Man, it's so hard though,
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Speaker 1: or at least for me. When the thing about turkey
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Speaker 1: hunting that's so at least from my perspective, what's so
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Speaker 1: exciting is the calling and the talking. I find myself
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Speaker 1: just getting tempted to to just want that. And when
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Speaker 1: you're not hearing that, your confidence Dwayne so quickly like
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Speaker 1: either or not here, I gotta go somewhere else or
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Speaker 1: it's not working. Um. We're somehow pre program to just
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Speaker 1: need that reassurance of the gobble um. But then you
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Speaker 1: learn very quickly exactly why guys are failing on public ground.
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Speaker 1: You got you can't You can't hunt public or high
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Speaker 1: pressured birds like you do unpressured birds. It's just it's
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Speaker 1: two different games completely, like they're almost one any opposite
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Speaker 1: of each each other. And the one on public and
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Speaker 1: the high pressure bird, he's not nearly as much fun
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Speaker 1: to your point, but he is killable. You just gotta
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Speaker 1: switch your tactic. So I want to drill into a
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Speaker 1: few of the things you talked about, but before getting
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Speaker 1: into how to kill him, I want to jump back
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Speaker 1: to something you said real quick about how you approach
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Speaker 1: the different subspecies a little bit differently? Can you speak
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Speaker 1: to that? How do you approach each different subspecies or
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Speaker 1: whichever ones are different in your mind? You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: a little more vocal with both the Merriam turkey and
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Speaker 1: the Rio Grand turkey. To me, they call more often
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Speaker 1: specifically the hen, not the gobblers. They don't gobble anymore
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Speaker 1: than an Eastern. In fact, I find the Easterns that
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Speaker 1: I gobble more than the Rio's are the Merriams, And
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Speaker 1: I think there's a reason for that. Oftentimes, when you're
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Speaker 1: hunting that big open country you see flocks of turkeys
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Speaker 1: and groups of turkeys, they spend less time split up
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Speaker 1: than Easterns do, in my opinion, And I don't know
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Speaker 1: why that is, but I think I know it is.
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Speaker 1: It's because the roost is is they're so limited in
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Speaker 1: many of these places. Therefore, every damn turkey for many
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Speaker 1: many square miles is all going in the same places, right,
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Speaker 1: They all congregate to the same roost because there aren't
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Speaker 1: many roost spots. Then they have a tendency to stay
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Speaker 1: together all day and it's a much shorter period where
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Speaker 1: you're gonna catch lone gobblers. Therefore, they're flocked up. The
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Speaker 1: hens are very vocal all day, and the gobblers oftentimes
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Speaker 1: they're looking at a hand all day and they're not
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Speaker 1: They're not gobbling. They're not talking, so therefar I'm working
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Speaker 1: on hens, and I'm much more vocal when I'm hunting
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Speaker 1: rio grands or merriams. It's bigger country, it's more open.
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Speaker 1: I use a lot of friction calling because I'm often
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Speaker 1: dealing with the wind, wind speed, So I'm a big
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Speaker 1: friction caller in those types of areas. Eastern's, I mean,
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Speaker 1: those are those are the ones I love to hunt.
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Speaker 1: Give me a hardwood ridge with an Eastern wild turkey,
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Speaker 1: I don't care what time of the day it is,
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Speaker 1: but let me have a conversation with him and and
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Speaker 1: play his game and getting his roundhouse. And those are
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Speaker 1: the birds that I love to hunt and go in
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Speaker 1: there and kill like that's where I grew up hunting.
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Speaker 1: It's the ones I feel like I probably have more
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Speaker 1: success on. But uh, I don't call nearly as much.
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Speaker 1: But when I get in there, when I get in
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Speaker 1: there face and and the time's right, then I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: pour it on and making goblin and change his mood.
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Speaker 1: That's one thing about turkeys. They're in a certain mood.
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Speaker 1: You can change that mood with your calling. You do
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Speaker 1: that with emotion and energy and pitch and differentiation and
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Speaker 1: sound and moving around, moving your head. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of different things you can do, and you're calling to
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Speaker 1: add realism to it and change that turkey's mood. If
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Speaker 1: you can fire him up, all of a sudden, he'll
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Speaker 1: go from an uninterested turkey to turkey that's strut in
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Speaker 1: the twenty yards and about to die. I want that.
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Speaker 1: That's I love everything you just said. I'm curious about
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Speaker 1: some of the details. But but the first thing I
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Speaker 1: gotta know is we often hear that one of the
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Speaker 1: biggest mistakes people make when turkey hunting is calling too much. Now,
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Speaker 1: what you just described was like getting really aggressive and
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Speaker 1: like change their mood, you know, force the issue. How
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Speaker 1: do you know when it's the right time to do
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Speaker 1: what you subscribe, change their mood, force the issue, versus
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Speaker 1: when you need to say, oh, you know what, I'm
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Speaker 1: calling too much, I just gotta shut up. How do
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Speaker 1: you think through that? I'll simplify that one thing that
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Speaker 1: we we came up with years ago. We call it
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Speaker 1: the three strike rule. So this is beyond the roost hunt.
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Speaker 1: You're into the day they've already flown down. You did
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Speaker 1: all the root st up and the turkeys naturally they
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Speaker 1: shut up what hour after they fly down or so
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Speaker 1: hour and af depending on what part of the mating
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Speaker 1: cycle they're in. So now you're at eight thirty through
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Speaker 1: the rest of the day and you're on the strike.
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Speaker 1: You're looking for that next turkey. If I strike a turkey,
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Speaker 1: we call it the three strike rule. If that's sucker
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Speaker 1: will not answer me three times in a row to
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Speaker 1: the same call I just gave him, you know, spaced out,
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Speaker 1: I don't make him gobble three times immediately like I'll strike,
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Speaker 1: And if one answers, I'm gonna wait two or three
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Speaker 1: or four minutes, and I'm gonna hit him again. Boom,
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Speaker 1: hit him again, Wait two or three minutes, boom, he
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Speaker 1: hits again. All right, gobble three times in a row.
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Speaker 1: To me, that is a green light. Go after that turkey.
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Speaker 1: I don't care how far he is. That's one you
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Speaker 1: need to head into and try and work. However, if
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Speaker 1: you get a plain shock gobble and he won't answer again,
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Speaker 1: those are turkeys that I have a tendency. If I've
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Speaker 1: got more ground to cover, I will come back and
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Speaker 1: try at a later date or later in the day
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Speaker 1: and let him alone. Because they often went in the
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Speaker 1: presence of hens will shock one time because they haven't
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Speaker 1: gobbled in a while, so it's pure shocked. And then
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Speaker 1: they won't gobble again because they're standing there looking at
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Speaker 1: a hen. And that's one way to do it's a
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Speaker 1: simple way to do it. Other ways to do it
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Speaker 1: really come with I think experience and just knowing turkey
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Speaker 1: vocalizations and how they react and how how they even
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Speaker 1: gobbled to you. You could tell when turkey gobbles whether
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Speaker 1: he's interested or not based on sometimes that old half
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Speaker 1: hearted Oh he barely chokes it out, he's probably not
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Speaker 1: overly interested. But if you call and he's you know,
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Speaker 1: five yards away, ah, he buries you. That's a turkey
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Speaker 1: that's interested. So you got to interpret, you know, his
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Speaker 1: overall mood of the day as well. Now, say you
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Speaker 1: don't have anything to do any there's no game in town.
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Speaker 1: You heard one turkey all day he gobbled once or twice.
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Speaker 1: I will go to that turkey, try to get as
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Speaker 1: close as I can to him, either visually or audibly.
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Speaker 1: If he won't answer and I can't see him, I'm
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Speaker 1: just gonna sneak and call and try to sound like
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Speaker 1: multiple hens in the woods. I'm scratching, I'm clucking in pern,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm fighting per and every once, so I don't
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Speaker 1: call non stop. I will wait fifteen minutes, twenty minutes,
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Speaker 1: give another series fifteen twenty minutes, and I might sit
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Speaker 1: there an hour, then move a little closer. Sit there,
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Speaker 1: call another hour, move a little closer. Wind will camper
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Speaker 1: that rain. You know, you're constantly dealing with weather in
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Speaker 1: the spring, so sometimes you have to play the overall
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Speaker 1: weather of the day as well, and and let that
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Speaker 1: work in your favor as opposed to work against you.
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Speaker 1: I think sometimes guys try to force their hand on
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Speaker 1: bad turkey days. We talked about it all the time.
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Speaker 1: I told you about my three strack role, while I
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Speaker 1: also I do not burn chips on bad turkey days.
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Speaker 1: Turkeys are literally the polar opposite of white tailed deer.
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Speaker 1: You want to go kill a deer. We've done podcasts
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Speaker 1: many times. You've heard me say it. Don't miss a
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Speaker 1: cold front, right, do not miss a north wind. That's
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Speaker 1: how you kill deer on turkeys. Skip the north wind days,
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Speaker 1: skip the cold front and wait for a warm front.
17:40
Speaker 1: You kill turkeys on a south wind and deer on
17:42
Speaker 1: a north on a on a north wind. Absolutely write
17:45
Speaker 1: it down. That is when you kill your turkeys, it
17:47
Speaker 1: is the best time. Uh. Do any other factors in
17:50
Speaker 1: your mind impact turkey killing success? Like very much? Pressure?
17:55
Speaker 1: I mean those things sometimes go hand in hand. I guess,
17:57
Speaker 1: is there anything or sunny versus cloudy anything like that?
18:00
Speaker 1: You know it. Really they're so situational because because you know,
18:06
Speaker 1: I would love to take a deer cast model and
18:08
Speaker 1: put it on turkeys and call it turkey cast. And
18:10
Speaker 1: I've studied it as long as I've studied deer, and
18:13
Speaker 1: I've come to the realization that they are very unpredictable
18:17
Speaker 1: as it pertains to whether there are a few things
18:19
Speaker 1: that are consistent, but in reality it comes down to
18:22
Speaker 1: whether he's looking at a hand or he isn't. It's
18:25
Speaker 1: very situational. You can take a bad weather day in
18:28
Speaker 1: terms of like, oh, I'd love a sunny, high pressure,
18:31
Speaker 1: beautiful bluebird day and think, Okay, the turkeys are really
18:34
Speaker 1: gonna act we all today. Well, they might very early
18:36
Speaker 1: in the morning, but then later in the day if
18:38
Speaker 1: they're looking at Hens, they're not going to. However, you
18:41
Speaker 1: could take a windy day, horrible weather front coming in
18:45
Speaker 1: low pressure and you think they're not going to talk today,
18:48
Speaker 1: But if he's by himself, he'll talk. They are less
18:51
Speaker 1: affected by the weather than whitetailed deer, in my opinion,
18:55
Speaker 1: because it is situational based on the timing of the year,
18:58
Speaker 1: how many hens that they have around, and how overall
19:01
Speaker 1: tired they are. Turkeys are notorious for running their battery love.
19:07
Speaker 1: They're like a cell phone battery. It's charged up at
19:10
Speaker 1: a certain time and then it depletes. Well, you take
19:12
Speaker 1: those high pressure days that I talked about. If it's
19:15
Speaker 1: a pretty day and you go, man, they're gonna gobble
19:17
Speaker 1: their heads up. Those are the days I really don't
19:19
Speaker 1: like because oftentimes they'll gobble themselves out. First thing on
19:24
Speaker 1: the limb, they'll stand there and gobble fifty times, fly
19:27
Speaker 1: to the ground and get with hands, and then they
19:28
Speaker 1: shut up the rest of the day. We call it
19:29
Speaker 1: the high pressure hush midday. On the rest of the
19:32
Speaker 1: day they won't talk. However, you take a morning where
19:35
Speaker 1: they don't gobble on the limb, those gobbles are still
19:37
Speaker 1: in them. Turkeys is only gonna gobble so many times
19:40
Speaker 1: in a day that battery is still charged. We kill
19:43
Speaker 1: a lot of turkeys on bad mornings for goblin, but
19:46
Speaker 1: we'll kill them on up in the day because they're
19:48
Speaker 1: still inside and they're ready to ready to talk. Would
19:52
Speaker 1: you pick a roost morning hunt or uh, you know,
19:57
Speaker 1: nine am through the rest of the day. Which time
20:00
Speaker 1: period would you rather have to kill a bird? Well,
20:03
Speaker 1: the roof tounts the fun one because they're generally gobbling
20:05
Speaker 1: a little bit for you, so that's the most vocal.
20:07
Speaker 1: But I kill more turkeys between about seven thirty and
20:10
Speaker 1: ten o'clock than any other time of the day. Then
20:13
Speaker 1: and then again around m m. Six no. Five thirty
20:18
Speaker 1: seven in the evening. Those are the times that I
20:20
Speaker 1: killed the most turkeys. But I've killed him straight off
20:23
Speaker 1: the ruse fly down come in. I've killed him at
20:25
Speaker 1: noon one o'clock, that type of stuff. But the times
20:28
Speaker 1: that I kill the most would be those two times
20:29
Speaker 1: I just mentioned. In those two situations, that's typically when
20:34
Speaker 1: you've got a bird that's crem If I'm wrong, I guess,
20:39
Speaker 1: but that's the time period when you start getting a
20:41
Speaker 1: gobbler that maybe is away from the hens. Now finally
20:44
Speaker 1: he's kind of going on his circuit um, and then
20:47
Speaker 1: you have that situation that you described where you strike
20:49
Speaker 1: one up, and now you're gonna see, Okay, is this
20:52
Speaker 1: one that I can work in here or not? And
20:55
Speaker 1: you decide if you're gonna change their mood if you
20:57
Speaker 1: strike up a bird in that scenario and he wins
21:01
Speaker 1: the street the three strike rule and you're gonna get
21:03
Speaker 1: after him. Can you give me the details of exactly
21:07
Speaker 1: how you do change the mood? You listed a bunch
21:09
Speaker 1: of like possible things, but could you walk me through
21:13
Speaker 1: in your head? Okay, I'm gonna do this type of
21:15
Speaker 1: calling sequence, I'm gonna make this move or anything you
21:18
Speaker 1: can share on that. Yeah, absolutely, So the first thing
21:21
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is try and kill him with the
21:22
Speaker 1: as least amount of calling as possible. So I always
21:25
Speaker 1: say I start at the bottom end of the ladder,
21:27
Speaker 1: and I worked my way up that ladder. So the
21:29
Speaker 1: first thing I'm gonna do, or softy helps clucks and purrs, well,
21:31
Speaker 1: the first thing I'm gonna do is try and get
21:33
Speaker 1: in a position where I think I can kill him.
21:35
Speaker 1: I kill most turkeys when my setup is within about
21:39
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards to start with. The worst mistake
21:43
Speaker 1: of turkey owner can make is make him tone deaf
21:46
Speaker 1: by calling too much to him when you're too far away.
21:48
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, So here that turkey and go, Okay,
21:51
Speaker 1: he's over there, tod, I'm gonna sit right here and
21:54
Speaker 1: call him all that distance. That's that's not the smartest
21:57
Speaker 1: play you can make. I will avoid calling to a
22:00
Speaker 1: turkey until I get to about one fifty one hundred.
22:05
Speaker 1: If you can do it because of cover in the woods,
22:07
Speaker 1: or if you can do it because of terrain, once
22:09
Speaker 1: you get in their comfort zone, that's how you kill turkeys.
22:12
Speaker 1: Once I'm there, I start real low and I find
22:15
Speaker 1: out what he's willing to answer to, and then I
22:18
Speaker 1: work my way up. And the single best way to
22:22
Speaker 1: kill a turkey is if you can get within a
22:24
Speaker 1: visual of him in an open area and watch his
22:28
Speaker 1: body posture, and watch how he reacts to your calling,
22:31
Speaker 1: because he doesn't always have to gobble to give you
22:34
Speaker 1: a positive response. I love having my eyes on a
22:37
Speaker 1: turkey when i'm working in whether that's just over the
22:40
Speaker 1: hump or whether it's out in an open field. And
22:42
Speaker 1: I will purposely wait until he you know how, they'll
22:45
Speaker 1: strut and turn and pirouette. I will wait till his
22:48
Speaker 1: body posture faces me, and then I'll hit him if
22:51
Speaker 1: he's facing a way. I almost never called to a turkey.
22:54
Speaker 1: It's just a bad, bad overall flow, bad signal. But
22:57
Speaker 1: when he faces me, I pour it on. I try
22:59
Speaker 1: to get him to continue coming to me, because sometimes
23:03
Speaker 1: I think turkeys don't know where they're going until they
23:06
Speaker 1: get there. So if you could play on that body
23:08
Speaker 1: posture and and wait till they're facing you, you can
23:12
Speaker 1: turn an entire flock and have them coming your way.
23:14
Speaker 1: You watch them. A grasshopper will make them doing one
23:16
Speaker 1: a D and go the opposite way from your calleing.
23:19
Speaker 1: So watch what they're doing if you can get there
23:21
Speaker 1: and then work them so the same holds true when
23:24
Speaker 1: you can't see them. I try to get close. I
23:27
Speaker 1: start low and I work my way up. If he
23:29
Speaker 1: sounds like he's gobbling away from me, I won't call. However,
23:33
Speaker 1: if he if he just gobbled and it sounded like
23:35
Speaker 1: he's facing me, in other words, it's loud or clearer,
23:37
Speaker 1: that's when I poured on. I love a turkey to
23:39
Speaker 1: face me when I'm working in big, big difference, huge
23:43
Speaker 1: difference in killing turkeys. Wait till they're facing you. Is
23:46
Speaker 1: there any other body language that you would look at
23:49
Speaker 1: as being positive, like when they strut up versus when
23:52
Speaker 1: they're not started up, or I don't know, raking their
23:55
Speaker 1: wingtips or anything anything else you look at. Absolutely, strutting
23:58
Speaker 1: is a big positive. You know they're just if they're
24:01
Speaker 1: staying there walking around all of a sudden and you
24:02
Speaker 1: see him and you feel like you're in a good
24:04
Speaker 1: position and you yell real soft and he goes into stress.
24:07
Speaker 1: He's interested. Uh. If he's in the presence of hands
24:10
Speaker 1: and not strutting, that's a tough turkey to kill. If
24:12
Speaker 1: he's in the presence of hands and strutting, you got
24:15
Speaker 1: you got a chance. Interesting, okay, So so okay, So
24:19
Speaker 1: let's say we've got that scenario. We can see him,
24:23
Speaker 1: he's given us a few gobbles, he's strutted up, so
24:26
Speaker 1: we think he's interested. He turns in our direction. Now
24:29
Speaker 1: you're gonna pour it on and you're gonna give him
24:31
Speaker 1: the mark jury special, the thing that no gobbler can
24:35
Speaker 1: say no to. Uh. And you mentioned that you'll, you'll, you'll,
24:38
Speaker 1: you'll start the bottom. But let's say we get to
24:40
Speaker 1: the top now, and it's okay. These other things haven't
24:43
Speaker 1: worked you gotta throw your ace out there, and this
24:46
Speaker 1: is your kill switch. You're throwing what is that special move?
24:49
Speaker 1: You've got the the thing that I will do. And
24:53
Speaker 1: if you watched the if you and it sounds terrible.
24:56
Speaker 1: I think every time I listened to it. I watched
24:58
Speaker 1: the Avan Next tour, and I'm it really doesn't sound good,
25:01
Speaker 1: but boy does it make make turkeys die. I love
25:04
Speaker 1: to hen yelp and then follow up with a low
25:06
Speaker 1: pitched jake up. I love that message, and I'm telling
25:11
Speaker 1: you they will. They You can make them tone deaf
25:14
Speaker 1: with that hen yelp. And you know how you call
25:15
Speaker 1: too much and all of a sudden he quits answering.
25:17
Speaker 1: They just get toned, deaf right, all of a sudden,
25:19
Speaker 1: throw in some talk, some real low stuff. Ah, he's
25:23
Speaker 1: gonna bury it. He does not like a jake in
25:25
Speaker 1: the presence of a hen. I kill a lot of
25:27
Speaker 1: turkeys with really aggressive hen yelps followed by a low
25:31
Speaker 1: tone jake up of three or four yelps. That's interesting.
25:35
Speaker 1: That's not something I've ever done. Um, but that makes sense.
25:39
Speaker 1: I guess if you watch the an X tour and
25:42
Speaker 1: you listen to me call birds and listen. It almost
25:44
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm making mistakes. It's like, boy, it sounds
25:47
Speaker 1: that sounds awful. Really, it really does. I don't like
25:50
Speaker 1: it at all, but it uh, it'll kill a damn
25:52
Speaker 1: turkey now better than anything I've ever done. I do
25:55
Speaker 1: it all the time. That or I cut, I cut
25:57
Speaker 1: real high pitched, and then I'll lower it down. I
26:00
Speaker 1: of changing tones to make it sound like there's a
26:02
Speaker 1: variety of turkeys there. Now, what about the visual side
26:07
Speaker 1: of this. I've seen you, you know, use a variety
26:10
Speaker 1: of different decoy setups, but especially this most recent set
26:14
Speaker 1: of the Turkey Tour videos I've seen. Uh gosh, I
26:17
Speaker 1: can't remember what the name of isle A laying down
26:19
Speaker 1: hand decoy, the laydown hand, and the avian HDR jake.
26:24
Speaker 1: Yeah there, Can you walk this through? Can you walk
26:28
Speaker 1: me through a few of the different decoy setups you
26:31
Speaker 1: might consider and what scenarios you would use each. The
26:34
Speaker 1: one that I go too most often is a laid
26:36
Speaker 1: down hand with a jake and it's it's just a
26:38
Speaker 1: slick down jake, beard out, kind of comfortable, doesn't look
26:41
Speaker 1: like he's too posture or anything. Uh, and I'll put
26:44
Speaker 1: him just off to the side like he's about to
26:46
Speaker 1: approach her and breed her because she's already on the ground.
26:49
Speaker 1: I kill a lot of turkeys with that setup. I
26:51
Speaker 1: also constantly have their trophy tom right next to me
26:54
Speaker 1: on the ground, which is a half silhouette strutter, and
26:58
Speaker 1: I have my fan in that. I kill a lot
27:01
Speaker 1: of turkeys with that combo right there. I have it
27:04
Speaker 1: for cover if you will, or to pick up and
27:07
Speaker 1: look to see if he's coming. If I'm out in
27:08
Speaker 1: the field trying to find him, I'll look through the
27:10
Speaker 1: fan and then I generally don't have a negative reaction
27:13
Speaker 1: to that that strutter. Once in a while, you will
27:15
Speaker 1: if it's a subordinate bird, but more often than not,
27:18
Speaker 1: they'll accept it and and come on in, or they
27:21
Speaker 1: might shy away a little bit. In that case, you
27:23
Speaker 1: can put the strutter down and they'll forget about it
27:26
Speaker 1: and come on in. But that's that's how I turkey out. Now,
27:29
Speaker 1: if there's a population dynamic that's at play, and you're
27:33
Speaker 1: going into a spring where there's a polo Jake's and
27:36
Speaker 1: not many long beards, I'm not going to put those
27:39
Speaker 1: Jake's out because oftentimes that group of bully Jake's will
27:43
Speaker 1: run off a big long beard and then if he
27:45
Speaker 1: sees a Jake with a hand, he'll just turn and
27:47
Speaker 1: leave because he's had his butt whoop too many times
27:49
Speaker 1: by those big gangs of Jake's. So if it really
27:52
Speaker 1: depends what the previous year's hatches were, last year was
27:56
Speaker 1: great because we didn't have a ton of Jake's and
27:58
Speaker 1: we had a lot of long beards. That's when I
28:00
Speaker 1: Jake decoy works the best. If you've got a year
28:02
Speaker 1: where you're low on long beers and heavy on Jake's,
28:05
Speaker 1: then I don't use the Jake nearly as much. I
28:08
Speaker 1: go with just the lay down hand. How do you
28:10
Speaker 1: how do you determine something like that? Is that through
28:14
Speaker 1: running trail cameras and keeping NYE and things like that?
28:17
Speaker 1: Is it just watching them? Oh? Yeah, that's it starts
28:20
Speaker 1: in August when those when those polts and those broods
28:23
Speaker 1: first start coming out. You can figure out what your
28:26
Speaker 1: hatch was just by accounting how many poults you see
28:29
Speaker 1: versus how many hands you see on your iconics cameras.
28:31
Speaker 1: You know a good hatch would be like three to
28:33
Speaker 1: four pulse per hand on an overall average, and last
28:36
Speaker 1: year I was at like one to one point five.
28:38
Speaker 1: We've got a terrible hatch and and there in Missouri.
28:41
Speaker 1: Mhm Um, I gotta rewind just a little bit to
28:44
Speaker 1: something I'm meant to ask you, um in that previous
28:47
Speaker 1: scenario when we were talking about, uh, you know, trying
28:50
Speaker 1: to find that bird, and in the three strike rule
28:52
Speaker 1: and everything, something I wanted to get a little clarification
28:55
Speaker 1: on was how to best strike up those of birds.
29:00
Speaker 1: So you're in the late morning, there's nothing talking, what's
29:03
Speaker 1: what are your go too? Is to get something to
29:05
Speaker 1: strike up and give you a sign um, whether that
29:07
Speaker 1: be a shock gobbl or whatever it is. How do
29:11
Speaker 1: you get that first? You know, it depends a little
29:15
Speaker 1: bit of where I'm at, Like if I'm down south
29:17
Speaker 1: then they're not overly vocal, or if I'm in a
29:20
Speaker 1: high pressured area. I al hoot a lot even midday,
29:23
Speaker 1: and I have a tremendous amount of luck with al
29:25
Speaker 1: hooting alhood on my voice. I crow call some, but
29:28
Speaker 1: I alhoot more often than not. And I'll try that first.
29:31
Speaker 1: And if you get one to react to that, that's
29:33
Speaker 1: great because then you can move in on him because
29:35
Speaker 1: you haven't given a call yet. If that doesn't work,
29:38
Speaker 1: my absolute go to is a aluminum call wooden peg
29:44
Speaker 1: and I go through a series of helps and then
29:46
Speaker 1: I cut real out and then I shut it off abruptly,
29:49
Speaker 1: and I get a lot of turkeys to respond to
29:52
Speaker 1: that combo. I've struck and killed so many turkeys with
29:55
Speaker 1: that combo. It's not even funny with owl hoot or
29:59
Speaker 1: anything that. Is there a risk of overdoing something like that?
30:04
Speaker 1: Like is there any downside if you're moving around an
30:07
Speaker 1: area you still haven't heard one? There's no downside of
30:09
Speaker 1: hammering it quite a bit when you're moving through, right.
30:12
Speaker 1: I think there's a downside to yelping because anytime you yelp,
30:16
Speaker 1: if there's a turkey that's willing to come in and
30:18
Speaker 1: are yelping or calling in general, if there's a turkey
30:21
Speaker 1: willing to come in and he's not goblin, you're liable
30:25
Speaker 1: of calling in and not know it. I think that
30:27
Speaker 1: happens a lot to guys, and they don't even know
30:28
Speaker 1: what's happening because more often than not, later in the day,
30:31
Speaker 1: they just don't strike very well anymore. They used to
30:33
Speaker 1: back in the eighties, but the populations have evolved and
30:37
Speaker 1: there's just so many turkeys. They don't gobble up in
30:39
Speaker 1: the day like they used to. Now, if you get
30:41
Speaker 1: up in the upper Midwest or say out West, you
30:44
Speaker 1: can still strike a lot of turkeys midday because the
30:46
Speaker 1: populations are growing and they're very aggressive. Their testosterone is
30:49
Speaker 1: a lot higher. But if it's a fully developed the
30:53
Speaker 1: populations at its peak carrying capacity has reached, they don't
30:57
Speaker 1: gobble as much in the middle of the day. They'll
30:58
Speaker 1: still come to a call, but it's hard to strike them.
31:01
Speaker 1: So that's why I generally start with an owl hood
31:03
Speaker 1: because oftentimes I find they'll hit that before they'll hit
31:06
Speaker 1: a turkey call, just because it's different and they haven't
31:07
Speaker 1: heard it in a while. Yeah, okay, Now, what if
31:10
Speaker 1: we fast forward to the end of the day and
31:14
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a state you can hunt all day.
31:17
Speaker 1: It's getting close to when then were moving back up
31:20
Speaker 1: to roost for the evening. What's your go to for
31:22
Speaker 1: that time of day? Are you trying to kill him
31:24
Speaker 1: at that point or do you give up and just
31:25
Speaker 1: want to roost them for the next morning. I'm usually
31:28
Speaker 1: hunting them. Uh, sometimes I'll move and call if the
31:31
Speaker 1: weather's right and I'm at the right time of the year,
31:34
Speaker 1: like early in the spring when they're just starting to
31:37
Speaker 1: establish their breeding and whatnot. They're breeding pairs or they're
31:40
Speaker 1: breeding plots. I'll call because a lot of turkeys are
31:43
Speaker 1: still they're going through fights and all that stuff. Their
31:46
Speaker 1: testosterone is real high once they get hand up, and
31:49
Speaker 1: then I'm hunting like a deer hunter, and I'm on
31:52
Speaker 1: a food plot on a pretty top. You ever notice
31:55
Speaker 1: in the afternoons, when it's a sunny day and the
31:57
Speaker 1: winds are calm, you see turkey strutting everywhere in the evenings.
32:00
Speaker 1: I call it turkey thirty. I like to get there
32:02
Speaker 1: at four thirty, gets set up on a known strut
32:05
Speaker 1: zone in the afternoons, have my decoys there, and then
32:07
Speaker 1: sit there and call and see if you see if
32:09
Speaker 1: we want to come out to the field. More often
32:11
Speaker 1: than not, they're gonna show up between like five and
32:14
Speaker 1: six thirty or seven somewhere in there. Six thirty is
32:17
Speaker 1: turkey thirty to me. But you gotta beat them there
32:20
Speaker 1: otherwise the spot you're getting in place. Do you find
32:23
Speaker 1: any is there any nuance to picking the right strut zone,
32:29
Speaker 1: the right feeding area? Do if you find that there's
32:32
Speaker 1: any particular scenario that, oh man, this is the killer
32:35
Speaker 1: scenario versus a random corn field or something like that. Yeah.
32:39
Speaker 1: I like green fields in the spring. Um my clover
32:42
Speaker 1: fields that I killed deer off of. I kill a
32:44
Speaker 1: lot of turkeys off of those in the in the spring.
32:46
Speaker 1: The bigger they are, the better. Uh. Pasture fields are
32:50
Speaker 1: also magic, man. You know, you get all these big hardwoods.
32:54
Speaker 1: All the roosting goes on in the hardwoods, and boom
32:56
Speaker 1: they exhale every morning because all the turkeys are going
32:58
Speaker 1: out to the pasture. Us are where all the food is.
33:01
Speaker 1: You know, all the bugs, all the worms, all the plovers,
33:04
Speaker 1: everything they're eating is out in those pastures. Uh. So
33:08
Speaker 1: you know, I like big open, open country where you
33:10
Speaker 1: see turkey strutting quite often. That's where I go set up.
33:13
Speaker 1: But the evening's gotta be right. You don't want to
33:15
Speaker 1: do it on a real window evening. It's not nearly
33:17
Speaker 1: as effective. If that's the case, I'm going to a
33:20
Speaker 1: bottom field that gets sheltered from the wind if it's
33:22
Speaker 1: a calm evening. I like the ridge tops someplace that
33:24
Speaker 1: I've seen them strutting in the past, and we kill it.
33:27
Speaker 1: We kill it pile afternoon turkeys. They're not nearly as vocal.
33:31
Speaker 1: Once in a while you'll catch one that's vocal and
33:33
Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll, but more often than not,
33:35
Speaker 1: it's a quiet visual hunt where they see it, and boy,
33:39
Speaker 1: they will flat go beat the tar out of a
33:42
Speaker 1: Jake decoy in the evenings. We kill a pile a
33:44
Speaker 1: big godlers in the afternoons on Jake's So what is
33:49
Speaker 1: if if you had a magic wand, Mark, if I
33:52
Speaker 1: gave you a magic wand and I said, you are
33:54
Speaker 1: the maybe maybe let me change my analogy here, you
33:57
Speaker 1: are the king of turkey hunting. I'm gonna give you
33:59
Speaker 1: a secon and you could tap someone on the shoulder
34:03
Speaker 1: and change how they turkey hunt. You could change one
34:07
Speaker 1: thing about how the masses turkey hunt, the one mistake
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Speaker 1: that drives you nuts. So the one thing that you
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Speaker 1: wish people would listen to you about or or something,
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Speaker 1: if you could do that, if you had the power
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Speaker 1: to fix that one issue, what would that be? Stop
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Speaker 1: bumping them? So many people hear that gobble and they go, go, go,
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Speaker 1: go go. It's like a magnet, right and everything everybody's
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Speaker 1: going to that sound and turkeys are the most unbelievably
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Speaker 1: keen bird in the world. They're on the ground all day.
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Speaker 1: It's an absolute miracle when you see a turkey walking
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Speaker 1: through the woods that they're still alive because everything's trying
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Speaker 1: to kill it. Right, So you know, they're good at living,
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Speaker 1: and they're they're good at living because they can see
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Speaker 1: like no other. And I think guys spook probably fifties
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Speaker 1: the turkeys thereafter. I think they're spooking them because that
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Speaker 1: they just don't know when to sit down, don't know
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Speaker 1: when to stop, don't know when to glass. Make sure
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Speaker 1: that little periscope and that's that, that's the deal. He's
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Speaker 1: got that little periscope that's the size of your fist,
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Speaker 1: barely over the hilltops, and he sees you long before
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Speaker 1: you see him. And people just misinterpret where their gobbles
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Speaker 1: at and they're spooking those birds. So their approach is
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Speaker 1: too fast and too aggressive. They need to slow down,
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Speaker 1: take their time because time means nothing to those birds.
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Speaker 1: They don't wear wrist watches, and it really doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: anything for that turkey. All he's gonna do is fly down, eats, drut,
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Speaker 1: do his thing, same thing he's been doing all spring
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Speaker 1: and the gobble puts everyone in in like, oh, I
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Speaker 1: gotta get there, I gotta get there. It kind of
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Speaker 1: you know, gets your emotions high, which is why we're
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Speaker 1: out there. But you really got to slow down and
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Speaker 1: take your time with turkeys, Like that's the big mistake
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Speaker 1: that I see people making is spooking that bird and
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Speaker 1: you're out of the game. Well, Mark, as I've always
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Speaker 1: come to rely on you for great words of wisdom.
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Speaker 1: All his a lot of fun. If people want to
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Speaker 1: see your turkey hunts the spring, if folks want to
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Speaker 1: follow along with what you got going on, where can
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Speaker 1: they see the Turkey tour and everything else. YouTube is
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Speaker 1: probably the easiest place. Our dear cast all of the
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Speaker 1: Turkey tours within deer cast. Uh, it's free. All of
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Speaker 1: place that you can find our content. We've got the
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Speaker 1: Turkey tour airing. It's great stuff and um so is
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Speaker 1: this chat. I can't thank you enough. Mark. I really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to the next time.
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Speaker 1: I can swindle you into talking deer too. Anytime, brother,
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Speaker 1: just don't ask them about fishing or stuff or anything else.
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Speaker 1: Turkey and deer, I'll talk. I'm fine with that. That's
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Speaker 1: my ticket to good Well. We got a lot of
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Speaker 1: common perfect Thank you, yeah, thank you, So that is
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Speaker 1: a rap. Thanks for joining us for our first bonus
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Speaker 1: Turkey episode of the spring. I hope you enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: Make sure you check out everything Mark just mentioned Instagram, Facebook,
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Speaker 1: their YouTube channel, deer cast. It is all great um
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Speaker 1: and certainly will help you out here come Turkey season
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Speaker 1: as well. If not at least scratch the itch if
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Speaker 1: you can't be out turkey hunting. So with that said,
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Speaker 1: good luck turkey hunting, and until next time, stay wired
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Speaker 1: to Hunt.