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Credlin | 27 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show, Welcome to a very
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Speaker 2: hot in Melbourne tonight and South Australia as well. He's
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Speaker 2: coming up the rank hypocrisy and the way police and
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Speaker 2: politicians are cracking out on hate speech, not only following
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Speaker 2: an arrest at the Reclaim Australia Valley, but also Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke canceling the visa of a Jewish media star just
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Speaker 2: hours before it was due to flight to Australia. Speaking
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Speaker 2: of crackdowns, will we see a ban on burning the
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Speaker 2: Australian flag following shocking scenes at the Brisbane Invasion Day
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Speaker 2: rally yesterday. Labors voted against these laws before, but given
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Speaker 2: the overwhelming view of the community is to protect our flag,
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Speaker 2: for the PM's hand be forced. Plus, I'll speak with
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Speaker 2: the volunteer firefighter who lost his own home whilst out
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Speaker 2: defending other properties all the while. As I said, Victoria,
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Speaker 2: it's just close to fifty degrees today and what lessons
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Speaker 2: can the liberal take out of the massive up people
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Speaker 2: were watching in the United Kingdom? Susan Lee loyalists digging
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Speaker 2: in today ahead of that party meeting next week.
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Speaker 3: At the moment there's a lot of sound and fury,
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Speaker 3: but really it signifies nothing.
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Speaker 4: At the moment.
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Speaker 3: Susan has been doing a great job in very difficult circumstances.
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Speaker 5: I'm expecting that we'll have our normal party room next Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: And Miss Brokenheart, you know they're in trouble. But first, yesterday,
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Speaker 2: at one of the Reclaimed Australia protests, a random individual
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Speaker 2: went to the microphone and claimed that Jews are the
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Speaker 2: greatest enemy to this nation. Now and only was the
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Speaker 2: outburst dead wrong given the enormous contribution that this community
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Speaker 2: is made to Australia. But it was insulting and it
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Speaker 2: was offensive. The man was subsequently arrested and today Brandon
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Speaker 2: Koshell was denied bail remanded in custody under Section ninety
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Speaker 2: three Z of the New South Wales Crimes Act for
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Speaker 2: intentionally or recklessly inciting violence towards a group of people
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Speaker 2: on the basis of religion. That wasn't the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 2: hate speech laws. These are laws already in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Now leave aside the issues of free speech. Free speech
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Speaker 2: and this specific case, it's now a matter for the
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Speaker 2: courts and police. My problem here is the double standard.
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Speaker 2: Police are only too quick an ego to crack down
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Speaker 2: on the neo Nazi types, those nut jobs. We've seen
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Speaker 2: them arrested, haven't we before, but seemed to have endless
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Speaker 2: tolerance for Islamists who say much much worse, and the
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Speaker 2: trees will speak and say, Muslim, there.
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Speaker 6: Is a Jew behind me, Come and kill him.
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Speaker 7: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 3: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: Why is talking about Jews as enemies an arrest offense
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Speaker 2: from someone at a right wing rally, but celebrating the
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Speaker 2: death of Jews calling there for Jews to be killed
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Speaker 2: totally ignored if it happens at a mosque or an
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Speaker 2: Islamic center. Why did police arrest the Jew hater at
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Speaker 2: his rally but not only the other Jew haters at
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Speaker 2: yesterday's Invasion Day rallies. If the laws to command respect,
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Speaker 2: it must be the same law for everyone, and hate
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Speaker 2: speech should be equally abhorrent, regardless.
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Speaker 4: Of who's doing the hating.
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Speaker 2: And that's my worry with the Prime Minister's hate speech
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Speaker 2: laws passed through the Federal Parliament last week, with the
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Speaker 2: supporter of both the Labor Party, of course, and the
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Speaker 2: liberals but not the nationals.
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Speaker 4: Given all the laws that.
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Speaker 2: We already have against hate speech, why were these further
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Speaker 2: laws needed and why should we expect that these new
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Speaker 2: laws will be applied against the Islamist hate speeches speakers
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Speaker 2: and against anybody else, and certainly not using the current
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Speaker 2: laws we have. These double standards are not you. During
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Speaker 2: the pandemic, Victoria police took no action against Black Lives
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Speaker 2: Matter protesters, but they certainly took drastic action a few
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Speaker 2: months later against those who wanted freedom, including never forget
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Speaker 2: rubber bullets at the shrine. Now, since the Bondo massacre,
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Speaker 2: labor ministers from the Prime Minister down have reiterated their
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Speaker 2: opposition to hate speech. Yesterday, the PM was saying that
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Speaker 2: all Fedika Australians need to leave their hatreds behind before
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Speaker 2: emigrating to this country, But his government routinely seems to
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Speaker 2: find some hatreds more hateful than others. I can't think
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Speaker 2: of a single Islamist who's had their visa canceled or
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Speaker 2: refused haven't even got to this country. But today it
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Speaker 2: emerges that the government has just canceled the visa of
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Speaker 2: an Israeli media influencer who described Islam as quote a
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Speaker 2: murderous ideology. Now that's a tough statement, but given the
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Speaker 2: number of terrorist murders carried out by Islamist extremists, screamialo akbar,
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Speaker 2: it's hardly unreasonable if governments are to be taken seriously,
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Speaker 2: if they're ever to regain people's trust when it comes
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Speaker 2: to covering Islamic extremism, they've got to be just as
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Speaker 2: tough against it as other forms of extremism. But scarcely
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Speaker 2: six weeks on from the Bondai massacre, it seems labor
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Speaker 2: governments have reverted to type cracking down on a few
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Speaker 2: random right wingers but giving hundreds and hundreds of left wingers.
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Speaker 4: A leaf pass.
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Speaker 2: It's not good enough to deny entry to Jews who
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Speaker 2: don't like Islam, but to remain indifferent to people already
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Speaker 2: here who hate Jews. Its rank hypocrisy and it's got
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Speaker 2: to end. As if they need another warning, but here
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Speaker 2: is one to local liberals in Australia who think they
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Speaker 2: can take conservative support for granted and largely ignore the
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Speaker 2: challenge from one nation, as some have briefed out recently
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Speaker 2: to journalists in recent days. Overnight in London, a former
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Speaker 2: Conservative Cabinet minister sewella Bravaman, and I was a huge
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Speaker 2: fan of hers in the Tory Party. As minister, became
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Speaker 2: the latest Tory to join the exodus to the insurgent
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Speaker 2: Reform Party in Britain, claiming that the party she's belonged
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Speaker 2: to for three decades has fallen quote to the wets
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Speaker 2: and to people who don't believe in Britain and who
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Speaker 2: don't have conservative values.
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Speaker 8: The truth is that in recent years is I have
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Speaker 8: found myself effectively in a social democrat, left leaning party
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Speaker 8: made up of Conservatives in name only. No wonder I
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Speaker 8: have felt politically homeless for years.
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Speaker 1: And what she's lost isn't her career within the Conservative Party.
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Speaker 1: What she's lost is her battle to get the Conservative
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Speaker 1: Party in the place that she thought it ought to be.
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Speaker 2: With two former senior ministers and former leadership contenders now
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Speaker 2: sitting with Reform in the House of Commons, it's starting
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Speaker 2: to look less like a party of protest and more
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Speaker 2: like a party of potential government. And in addition to Bravman,
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Speaker 2: just look at the list of those who have already
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Speaker 2: jumped shipped ship. A former chancellor, a former community secretary,
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Speaker 2: that's their term for cabinet level MP, a former Secretary
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Speaker 2: for Culture, a former political secretary, a former Attorney general
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Speaker 2: of course in bravmen and in terms of those in
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Speaker 2: the outer ministry, there's a former politic minister he's walked,
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Speaker 2: a former Minister in charge of the North of England,
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Speaker 2: a Minister for Scotland, a health minister, an assisted whip
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Speaker 2: and a former parliamentary secretary. Now, unlike here, Reform has
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Speaker 2: been polling some fifty percent more than both the Conservatives
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Speaker 2: and Labor for at least a year, and on current polling,
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Speaker 2: Reform would certainly be the largest party in the British
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Speaker 2: Parliament after an election. Will here One nation has outperformed
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Speaker 2: the Coalition in just one News poll last week, so
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Speaker 2: we're not comparing apples and apples yet, but as long
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Speaker 2: as the Coalition continues to self immolate, that's unlikely to
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Speaker 2: be the last poll that one nation outperforms the other
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Speaker 2: established groupings. On the center right, there's a strong message
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Speaker 2: here for the Liberal Party, especially the two men vying
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Speaker 2: for Susan Lee's job. It's all very well to change
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Speaker 2: the leader, but unless the party stands for something, it
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Speaker 2: could well be that it's the party's time that's up,
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Speaker 2: not just Le's all right, that's going to cap it
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Speaker 2: now for the headline, Skinny's political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 3: Supporters of Susan Lee a rejecting speculation about a potential
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Speaker 3: Liberal leadership challenge. Supporters of Andrew Hasty claim he has
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Speaker 3: a substantial number of MPs prepared to back him. Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor would not rule out a leadership challenge on Monday.
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Speaker 9: I think this is a storm and a teacup.
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Speaker 3: I think there's a small number of people who are
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Speaker 3: trying to whip this into something that it's not.
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Speaker 9: At the moment.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of sound and fury, but really it
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Speaker 3: signifies nothing.
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Speaker 9: At the moment.
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Speaker 3: Some Liberal MPs argue removing Susan Lee would be giving
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Speaker 3: in to the Nationals leader. The next move and the
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Speaker 3: coalition split is expected to be the appointment of a
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Speaker 3: shadow cabinet. Australian market it's embracing for the release of
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Speaker 3: critical inflation figures tomorrow. Economists are expecting the outcome to
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Speaker 3: heavily influence the Reserve Bank's upcoming interest rate decision.
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Speaker 10: Inflation is a global phenomenon at the moment and we've
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Speaker 10: seen inflation are jumping around a bit month to month,
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Speaker 10: partly due to some temporary factors, but it is higher
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Speaker 10: than we would like.
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Speaker 3: Money markets are betting on a rate hike next week.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is extending his solidarity to the Jewish
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Speaker 3: community on Holocaust Remembrance Day. Anthony Albanezi says Australians must
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Speaker 3: pause to reflect and hold onto the memory of the victims,
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Speaker 3: adding the safety, freedom and hope that Australia represented to
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Speaker 3: the Jewish community is something we must all commit to protect.
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Speaker 2: All Right, Joyman now our political letteror Andrew Cleanew Andrew
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Speaker 2: Welcome Tuesday. Potentially a leadership spell. I think it's too
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Speaker 2: early to call it right now. A lot of concern
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Speaker 2: from people I've spoken to that Andrew Hasty Angus Taylor
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Speaker 2: could split the vote on the right. What's your take
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Speaker 2: on things as they stand tonight?
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Speaker 11: Well, I've had a tip I reported on Politics Now
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Speaker 11: Peter that Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty you are about to
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Speaker 11: meet tomorrow and I think they might both be in
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Speaker 11: Melbourne for the Katie Allen's memorial service, So perhaps there
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Speaker 11: they'll have to thrash out which one of them is running.
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Speaker 11: I don't think Hasty's going to stand aside for Taylor,
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Speaker 11: and I think he's got more numbers than Taylor. But
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Speaker 11: if both of them run, You're right, it could split
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Speaker 11: the vote and Susan Lee gets up.
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Speaker 6: So I think that's where any.
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Speaker 2: Chance she survives that there isn't a spill. You think
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Speaker 2: next week and there is spill.
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Speaker 11: Sure, I mean, you know who knows.
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Speaker 9: I'm not.
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Speaker 11: You know I have a crystal ball on Sunday agenda,
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Speaker 11: but I don't have a crystal ball in this particular instance.
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Speaker 11: I might have more to say on that Sunday Peter,
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Speaker 11: But yeah, I can imagine that experience tells me these
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Speaker 11: things happen. But to me it does seem kind of
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Speaker 11: like when not if the Susan Lee's leadership. That's that's
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Speaker 11: kind of where where I feel things are out at
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Speaker 11: the moment, because there is a ground swell. She only
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Speaker 11: she only won by three votes. One or some of
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Speaker 11: them she wouldn't get now because I an expired senator, Yes.
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Speaker 4: I to sell CAPA and if you remember in a senator.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 11: And it's more about the right coalescing around someone. Now
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Speaker 11: Angus has got baggage because the opposed tax cuts. You know,
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Speaker 11: you can't walk away from that. You can say, oh,
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Speaker 11: I argued against it, Well, too bad, you're the shadow
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Speaker 11: treasurer and he didn't have a great performance during the campaign.
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Speaker 11: Whereas Andrew Hasty could argue, I mean, Andrew Hasty is
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Speaker 11: a risk.
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Speaker 6: Obviously it could be the liberal.
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Speaker 11: Latham, you know, you know, get a short term bump
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Speaker 11: and then explode. But he would argue I can take
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Speaker 11: some of that one nation vote pretty convincingly. I reckon,
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Speaker 11: And look I've felt for a long time, particularly if
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Speaker 11: you had a leadership change this early in the term.
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Speaker 11: This is one of those terms you could see three
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Speaker 11: liberal leaders so that's worth bearing in mind as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I don't think his Hasty's got anything like
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Speaker 2: the temperament of Latham. I think that the soldier in
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Speaker 2: him has incredible discipline. But I think the problem for
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Speaker 2: them is if they can't cut some sort of deal,
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Speaker 2: if one can't give way to the other, then you
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Speaker 2: go back next week and both decide not to move
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Speaker 2: on Susan or no one else moves a spill. Susan survives,
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Speaker 2: and then she has to go through the circus of
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Speaker 2: picking herself a front bench. I mean basically every Liberal
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Speaker 2: would be a shadow minister for something. There'd be huge
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Speaker 2: changes with staff. Of course, all those National Party front
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Speaker 2: benches currently have jobs from the leader's office. They'd all
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Speaker 2: have to be sacked or moved elsewhere. All the rights
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Speaker 2: and entitlements that all be shuffled around as well, And
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Speaker 2: of course the natsa then have to find themselves a
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Speaker 2: shadow treasure, are a health shadow and a defense shadow.
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Speaker 2: I think it's just a circus and I think that's
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Speaker 2: best avoided. And of course you know they're all out
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Speaker 2: by the shouting if they do not get themselves back
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Speaker 2: in on coalition. That's the other thing they need to
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Speaker 2: learn is they've got to find a way back together.
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Speaker 4: But there's a lot of bad blood on both sides.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, question time.
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Speaker 11: My understanding is if the Nats are on the cross bench,
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Speaker 11: so on effective back bench, effectively on the back bench
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Speaker 11: except for their party leader, little prowd, the cross bench
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Speaker 11: would get half the questions and the Liberals half the
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Speaker 11: question So imagine that world. That's my understanding of what
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Speaker 11: the government believes will occur. So so you have ten questions,
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Speaker 11: ten questions, right, Liberals only get five. Now they get seven.
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Speaker 11: You know, the coalition gets seven. So that's that's what
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Speaker 11: you end up with.
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Speaker 2: That both is the winner here because there's even less
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Speaker 2: scrutiny on a government that a lot of Australians would
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Speaker 2: say is not living up to expectations despite that huge
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Speaker 2: mandate and majority. Let's go to that story you broke
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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Extraordinary stuff. Health officials change the name of
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Speaker 2: a Jewish bondo shitting victim at a Western Sydney hospital
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Speaker 2: away from a Jewish name into a more Anglo name.
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Speaker 4: What the heck's going on here?
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Speaker 11: Well, bureaucrat's mistake and damaging one and concerns about safety
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Speaker 11: of Jewish people in Western Sydney hospitals. Rosalia Sickberg. No
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Speaker 11: consultation was told by a health administrator your name's got
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Speaker 11: to change on your wristband. While she's in hospital with
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Speaker 11: gunshot shrapnel wounds to the head from the Bono massacre.
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Speaker 11: Obviously they spread around hospitals across Sydney. There were so
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Speaker 11: many victims. She became Karen Jones. Even her medication was
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Speaker 11: allocated to Karen Jones a discharge summery as well. I
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Speaker 11: mean once she leaves the hospital even if they're trying
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Speaker 11: to tector can't they can't they use their name then
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Speaker 11: real name. Then now they told her and her family
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Speaker 11: that was because of media. But what media are going
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Speaker 11: to ring around hospitals looking for a Jewish name. That's
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Speaker 11: just not going to happen.
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Speaker 2: So let's let's staff after what happened allegedly, that's right.
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Speaker 4: So is this because of the staff?
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Speaker 11: Well that's what the Rosalia and her husband fear and believe.
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Speaker 11: That was Bankstown Hospital next next door, right. But Ryan Parked,
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Speaker 11: the health Minister, was on He said no, no, it's
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Speaker 11: not the stuff, it's not the staff. But he admitted
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Speaker 11: the media ligned to them was a lie. So it's
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Speaker 11: either got to be the staff or patients, the staff
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Speaker 11: or patient.
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Speaker 4: What is that?
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Speaker 6: Well, this is it.
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Speaker 11: It can either be the staff or the patients or
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Speaker 11: people known to the staff and patients. It ain't going
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Speaker 11: to be anyone else because no one else is going to,
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Speaker 11: you know, have access to a computer base or a
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Speaker 11: wristband that says that a Jewish name. So it's got
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Speaker 11: to be people who are patient, staff or people connected
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Speaker 11: to the staff. I think probably it's a bit it's
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Speaker 11: a bit hard to deny that one possibility that the
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Speaker 11: local hospital management we're looking at is staff could be
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Speaker 11: a problem.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's terrific. I mean that's everyone's worst nightmare. I
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Speaker 2: mean that was the very issue that Jews were worried about,
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Speaker 2: worried about when that video surfaced in the aftermath of
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Speaker 2: October seven.
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Speaker 11: I think it's a significant story because it now raises
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Speaker 11: questions about Unfortunately, I wish this wasn't the case. It
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Speaker 11: raises questions about the safety of Jewish people in Western
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Speaker 11: Sydney hospitals, so not all the other hospitals. There was
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Speaker 11: no name change, for example, so they can't say, oh,
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Speaker 11: it's just related to the terror of man and Ryan
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Speaker 11: Park himself. They held minister said it was a local
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Speaker 11: hospital decision. So is it just a bureaucrat stuffing up
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Speaker 11: or are there real concerns? And frankly if there, if
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Speaker 11: there was that level of concern, they should have had
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Speaker 11: her under police guard.
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Speaker 2: Peter, I think it's terrific if this is where it's headed,
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Speaker 2: and as very much the smell of that. We'll see
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Speaker 2: what develops with that young tomorrow Andrew talk. I spoke
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Speaker 2: to Ross green Would last night talk of a raid
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Speaker 2: hike next Tuesday.
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Speaker 4: We've obviously got.
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Speaker 2: Some data coming out ahead of that which will be
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Speaker 2: instrumental in terms of inflation. But of course, if there's
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Speaker 2: a spike in inflation or it continues to remain high,
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Speaker 2: the RBA doesn't have.
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Speaker 4: Any other lever but to move rates.
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Speaker 2: How is it going to play out for the government
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Speaker 2: given we've got to also that news yesterday that there's
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Speaker 2: a likely increase of some twenty four percent power bills
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Speaker 2: this year alone.
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Speaker 11: Well, I just think they'll do more cost of living
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Speaker 11: relief in the budget, don't you. I mean, they seem
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Speaker 11: to get away.
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Speaker 4: With it flationary, mate, But that's the problem.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but they.
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Speaker 4: You spend, you spend, it's inflationary.
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Speaker 11: They seem to get away with it. Peter, you might
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Speaker 11: have noticed the election result. I mean, that's the thing.
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Speaker 11: So what I'm trying to say is, when you got
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Speaker 11: one extra rate hike and you got four percent unemployment,
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Speaker 11: and you keep throwing money at people, you'll probably get
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Speaker 11: away with it, particularly with the opposition just not being
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Speaker 11: able to get their act together. Where we're at in
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Speaker 11: the year's time, different different story perhaps, But I mean
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Speaker 11: you and I both know, even anecdotally, everything is going
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Speaker 11: up everything, you know, insurance, health bills, anything you spend money.
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Speaker 11: A cup of coffee, you know, the other day it
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Speaker 11: was four bucks, now six you know. So I just think,
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Speaker 11: I know.
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Speaker 2: But if the government pumps the economy with cash andrew,
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Speaker 2: they just make that inflation burn longer and harder. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't go away, They make it worse, and they're just
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Speaker 2: prolonging the pain for people.
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Speaker 11: Well, they need to get their budget in line, and
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Speaker 11: that's where Friday's National Cabinet on the indiis and health
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Speaker 11: funding will be very interesting because they need to cut
19:47
Speaker 11: that indias spending. As part of that spending, they would
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Speaker 11: argue some of their other measures well, such as the
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Speaker 11: electricity price rebate, actually dampens inflation, certainly dampens the headline.
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Speaker 11: But you can't do that forever, can you?
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Speaker 4: Just a quick one?
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Speaker 2: I saw this in the Australian today. The Electoral Commission's
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Speaker 2: got their usual ad when there's a change or a
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Speaker 2: reregistration of a political party, Clive Palmer's old trumpet of
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Speaker 2: patriots who really crashed and burned despite these millions.
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Speaker 4: He wants to change that to.
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Speaker 2: The Australian Federation Party, that's the Australian today. I suspect
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Speaker 2: he's looking at this increase in the one nation vote
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Speaker 2: and thinking, well, how can I get a bit of that.
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Speaker 2: He's not Pauline Hanson, we know that. But what do
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Speaker 2: you think is behind the move?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know. I guess you know, relevance deprivation syndrome.
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Speaker 11: But his preferences can still have a real effect and
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Speaker 11: that can give you some power your preferences, let's face it.
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Speaker 11: But look Pauline Hanson getting Barnaby Joyce on board so far,
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Speaker 11: and of course you know she and Mark Latham fell out.
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Speaker 11: You know these things. You know, someone says too many
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Speaker 11: egos for these small parties, that they're looking in good shape.
21:01
Speaker 11: They're looking in good shape to win House of rep seats.
21:03
Speaker 11: I wonder why Barnaby doesn't just have a crackdown stairs
21:06
Speaker 11: when you look at the polls the way they are
21:08
Speaker 11: instead of talking about the Senate, try and win New England,
21:11
Speaker 11: you know, because if they're serious, they need to get
21:14
Speaker 11: House of Representative seats. And could you could see it
21:16
Speaker 11: happening at the moment, you really could not many.
21:20
Speaker 2: But he said it wasn't likely and he ruled it out,
21:23
Speaker 2: but we both know politicians have ruled out plenty of
21:25
Speaker 2: stuff before and done the backflip and turned up where
21:28
Speaker 2: they said they wouldn't go. So we'll see what happens. Andrew,
21:30
Speaker 2: thank you well on that story too. Out of Western
21:32
Speaker 2: Sydney of the Hospital Bank.
21:34
Speaker 4: Now to Home.
21:34
Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Tony Burke, who's facing a backlash for counseling
21:38
Speaker 2: the visa of a Jewish influencer, Sammy Hood, only amountter
21:43
Speaker 2: of hours before he was set to fly to Australia.
21:46
Speaker 2: Mister you Hood was scheduled to participate in a series
21:49
Speaker 2: of events with Jewish organizations around the country before Tony
21:53
Speaker 2: Burke canceled his visa on Monday night, telling The Guardian
21:56
Speaker 2: Australia the decision was made out of concerns that you
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Speaker 2: Hood would be quote spreading hatred.
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Speaker 4: Jentlemen.
22:03
Speaker 2: Now is one of the groups to whom mister your
22:06
Speaker 2: Hood was going to address what is in Australia and
22:10
Speaker 2: that we was in Australia. That's the Australian Jewish Association.
22:13
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by the CEO, Robert Gregory. Robert, thank
22:17
Speaker 2: you for your time. Give me your reaction to this
22:20
Speaker 2: canceling because it's literally happened at the eleventh hour, you
22:24
Speaker 2: had events organized. What do you make of the minister's
22:28
Speaker 2: claim that he would have come here and spread hate.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's a pattern here.
22:33
Speaker 7: I mean, we saw former Israeli Justice Minister ale Chaked
22:37
Speaker 7: had her visa canceled, a member of the Israeli Kanesset,
22:40
Speaker 7: Simph Rothman. Even an American Jewish tech entrepreneur Hillel Fold
22:45
Speaker 7: also did so. The Home Affairs Minister has a track
22:49
Speaker 7: record here. He always does it at the last minute,
22:52
Speaker 7: so there's not a chance for people to appeal it.
22:54
Speaker 7: And I think what's worrying in this case is that
22:57
Speaker 7: some of the remarks being cited they were about is
23:00
Speaker 7: so you might disagree with them. You know a lot
23:02
Speaker 7: of people might disagree with them, but they weren't about
23:04
Speaker 7: Muslims as a people.
23:05
Speaker 6: They're about an ideology.
23:06
Speaker 7: So I think we need to let people with different
23:08
Speaker 7: views come debate these ideas and if there's an issue,
23:12
Speaker 7: then you know where people are being targeted. That's what
23:15
Speaker 7: we need to worry about now. This Stralian Jewish Association,
23:18
Speaker 7: we were just one of the organizations that all the
23:20
Speaker 7: major synagogues or many of the major synagogues and other
23:23
Speaker 7: Jewish organizations were said to host mister Hood. There's a
23:26
Speaker 7: lot of disappointment in the Jewish community. I think people
23:29
Speaker 7: thought that after BONDI perhaps had be a change from
23:32
Speaker 7: the government in some of this excessive targeting of the
23:36
Speaker 7: Jewish community. We of course know that a lot of
23:38
Speaker 7: the Islamic hate preachers have not been denied entry to
23:41
Speaker 7: Australia and action has not been taken on that front.
23:44
Speaker 7: So I think there's a lot of concern in the
23:46
Speaker 7: Jewish community at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And I think the words used was murderous ideology, islam
23:52
Speaker 2: As murderous ideology. And I made the point in my editornial.
23:56
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the empirical evidence, if
23:59
Speaker 2: you look at ten attacks around the world, if you
24:01
Speaker 2: look at the number of people killed, you look at
24:04
Speaker 2: al Akbah, when the suicide bomber goes off, you know,
24:07
Speaker 2: there's a fair argument to be made. It's not a
24:10
Speaker 2: long bow to draw. But what concerns me is the
24:13
Speaker 2: double standard here with the government. I mean, they can
24:16
Speaker 2: cancel Jews from Israel, they can cancel Neo Nazis, and
24:20
Speaker 2: I have no issue with the cancelation of visas in
24:22
Speaker 2: that case, but they can't seem to cancel any you know,
24:27
Speaker 2: extreme Islamist m ms or people in mosques who spew hatred,
24:32
Speaker 2: or leftist pro Palestinian types.
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Speaker 4: Why the hypocrisy there, Well, that was.
24:39
Speaker 7: Our issue with the hate speech laws. It gives all
24:41
Speaker 7: this discretion to Tony Burke, and we see how he's
24:45
Speaker 7: using it. They use it for political ends, So yes,
24:48
Speaker 7: they will take action against an anti Semite, but as
24:51
Speaker 7: long as they're on the right and as long as
24:52
Speaker 7: they can pet you know, they refused a visa to
24:55
Speaker 7: Candor Sowans or Kanye West, But when it comes to
24:58
Speaker 7: some of these Lambic hate preachers or the pro Palcydney
25:00
Speaker 7: and activists, we don't see any action that may have
25:03
Speaker 7: something to do with the makeup of some of these
25:06
Speaker 7: minister's seats. We know Toorny Burke's seat in Western Sydney
25:09
Speaker 7: has a very large Muslim population, so obviously he needs
25:12
Speaker 7: to keep his voters happy. But Australia's national security should
25:15
Speaker 7: not be being decided on this basis, not at all.
25:20
Speaker 2: What did you make of Andrews's story that we just
25:22
Speaker 2: spoke about a moment ago a Jewish bondlie shooting victim
25:25
Speaker 2: having their name changed in a Western Sydney hospital. Do
25:30
Speaker 2: you buy the explanation from the minister in the hospital
25:35
Speaker 2: At first it was the media when pushed was at
25:38
Speaker 2: concerns about the staff who may have been looking after
25:42
Speaker 2: these Jewish individuals. They've sort of dodged that, they've said
25:46
Speaker 2: that that's not sawn vaccurate. But given that terrible video
25:49
Speaker 2: that circulated a while back, is that what was behind this?
25:53
Speaker 6: Do you think it's an extraordinary story?
25:56
Speaker 7: And I don't think anybody believed that it was because
25:59
Speaker 7: of the media. This is a person, not a celebrity,
26:02
Speaker 7: not someone who's known. I'm hearing the name for the
26:04
Speaker 7: first time now, so there was no fear that the
26:08
Speaker 7: media was going to make a big deal about it.
26:10
Speaker 7: It only happened in this one hospital in Western Sydney,
26:13
Speaker 7: not in the other hospitals where many more patients went.
26:16
Speaker 7: So I think something smells here, something's not quite right.
26:19
Speaker 7: And was it the staff, was it other patients? Either way,
26:23
Speaker 7: it's a big concern. And these are the concerns that
26:25
Speaker 7: are going through the Jewish community at the moment, And
26:27
Speaker 7: this is why we were calling so hard for a
26:29
Speaker 7: royal commission, because I know many Jewish people who would
26:32
Speaker 7: be very, very worried about being treated in a Western
26:35
Speaker 7: Sydney hospital and if they're going to avoid medical care
26:38
Speaker 7: because of that, then that's a really worrying indictment.
26:41
Speaker 6: On Australia.
26:44
Speaker 2: International Holocaust Remembrance Day, of course today and we have
26:48
Speaker 2: had the last body of the final Israeli hostage returned
26:54
Speaker 2: home today. I saw heart wrenching images of the mother
26:59
Speaker 2: in particular, who spoke to the media. Does this bring
27:03
Speaker 2: that chapter to a close for many Jews and those
27:07
Speaker 2: in Israel? I know there's a lot to come from it,
27:10
Speaker 2: but at least now all your people, all the Jewish
27:14
Speaker 2: people are home.
27:17
Speaker 7: Well, it's telling that today is International Holocaust from Amontan
27:20
Speaker 7: and this is the day the government chose to deny
27:23
Speaker 7: a Jewish person or revoke their visa. But the final
27:26
Speaker 7: hostage body, I think there was you know, a lot
27:29
Speaker 7: of Jewish people woke up today to that news around
27:31
Speaker 7: the world and non Jewish supporters, and there was a
27:33
Speaker 7: big breath of relief. People finally feels like one part
27:37
Speaker 7: of this terrible war that began on October seventh is
27:40
Speaker 7: finally over.
27:41
Speaker 6: The IDF. We're going to complete that goal. The Israeli
27:45
Speaker 6: government set those goals.
27:46
Speaker 7: At the beginning of the war to return every single hostage,
27:49
Speaker 7: living or dead, and to make sure that Hamas could
27:52
Speaker 7: no longer govern nobody. A lot of people didn't believe them,
27:55
Speaker 7: they didn't think it was possible, and these goals have
27:59
Speaker 7: now been achieved. So I think there's a big sense
28:01
Speaker 7: of relief and people just want to build and look
28:03
Speaker 7: to the future to rebuild and hopefully we will never
28:06
Speaker 7: see such a terrible thing as we saw on October seven.
28:12
Speaker 2: Just before we go, Robert, have you sort a meeting
28:14
Speaker 2: with the minister with chiny Berg about these is constant
28:18
Speaker 2: canceling of Jewish visas or visus sorry to Australia people
28:23
Speaker 2: from Israel, if you sat a meeting with him to
28:25
Speaker 2: say what the heck's going on?
28:27
Speaker 7: So I last met with Tony Burke in December. Other
28:31
Speaker 7: issues came up, not this one, but my organization. I've
28:34
Speaker 7: ridden to Tony Burker because this particular speaker now was
28:38
Speaker 7: not brought out by our organization. We were just running
28:40
Speaker 7: one of the events where several synagogues and other Jewish
28:44
Speaker 7: organizations were but one of the previous speakers. Simple Rothman
28:47
Speaker 7: was brought out by us and we wrote to the
28:50
Speaker 7: minister there's an appeal in process. We're still hoping because
28:53
Speaker 7: this person now has a three year ban from Australia,
28:55
Speaker 7: so we're hoping he'll reverse his ban. We don't know
28:59
Speaker 7: if we'll succeed, but I really think that the Jewish
29:02
Speaker 7: community and the wider Australian community needs to raise his
29:05
Speaker 7: issues because I don't know, it seems like the Home
29:07
Speaker 7: Affairs Minister is deciding national security based on his electric.
29:13
Speaker 2: And we should all be pushing for FOI information as
29:16
Speaker 2: much of that paper trail to be put out publicly.
29:19
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Robert Dark.
29:21
Speaker 2: The break news that China's top general under investigation for
29:25
Speaker 2: leaking nuclear secrets, well this means all the Chinese watches
29:28
Speaker 2: are on high alert regarding Taiwan. Of course, one of those,
29:32
Speaker 2: our expert John Lee is coming out plus Southern Australia's
29:35
Speaker 2: are furnace today. Fire Risks intensified this afternoon movement of
29:39
Speaker 2: wind in Victoria two joining me after on the show
29:43
Speaker 2: as cfa volunteer with an extraordinary.
29:46
Speaker 4: Story of courage to tell you.
29:53
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the count The brave volunteer firefighter who
29:57
Speaker 2: lost his home while defending other property the first last night,
30:01
Speaker 2: I alerted you to earlier reports of seismic events taking
30:04
Speaker 2: place inside the senior ranks of the Chinese Army and
30:08
Speaker 2: the Communist Party. More broadly, I want to return to
30:11
Speaker 2: them with an expert in this area, given the likely
30:13
Speaker 2: relevance is you has to Taiwan. As we've learned, China's
30:18
Speaker 2: top general Jiang Jujia, a close ally of President Ji,
30:23
Speaker 2: is under investigation with accusations that he leaked nuclear secrets
30:27
Speaker 2: to the Americans. Now, what's notable is that this follows
30:30
Speaker 2: a trend of top Chinese military officials that have either
30:33
Speaker 2: been expelled or detained under investigation recent years.
30:38
Speaker 4: Now, such is the grip of power on power by Xi.
30:43
Speaker 4: This is a big tally.
30:45
Speaker 2: Now joining me for his analysis on what this might mean.
30:49
Speaker 2: A senior fellow at the Hudson Institute on Defense Strategy,
30:52
Speaker 2: John Lee, John, welcome. I say what this might mean
30:57
Speaker 2: because we're all sort of China now watches at the moment.
31:01
Speaker 4: You're a peak watching, if I could call you that,
31:04
Speaker 4: a bit of an expert.
31:04
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping you've got more advice for US than
31:07
Speaker 2: most analysts. But given these allegations, let's start there. What
31:12
Speaker 2: do we know about them? How credible are they and
31:15
Speaker 2: if he was leaking nuclear secrets?
31:18
Speaker 4: Is this about as big as it gets?
31:21
Speaker 12: Well, we know very little because the CCP doesn't tell
31:24
Speaker 12: as much. But I'm skeptical this is about leaking nuclear
31:28
Speaker 12: secrets because think about it, If the most senior officer
31:31
Speaker 12: in a PLA was truly leaking nuclear secrets to the
31:36
Speaker 12: United States, they wouldn't really bother to also charge him
31:38
Speaker 12: with graft and discipline issues. I think this is very
31:42
Speaker 12: much about g grabbing power. If you look at the
31:47
Speaker 12: groups that are trying to constrain g they are senior
31:50
Speaker 12: PLA officers, they are princelings, and General ug is a
31:54
Speaker 12: printing as well as an officer, and they are political elders.
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Speaker 6: Present.
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Speaker 12: She has got rid of millions of officials in the
32:04
Speaker 12: last few years, So for me, this is just simply
32:07
Speaker 12: the most senior one, but obviously very significant.
32:13
Speaker 2: Okay, what then does that purge? You speak of millions
32:16
Speaker 2: inside the machine, but I mean I've flashed a whole
32:19
Speaker 2: lot of faces up there on the screen, very senior
32:22
Speaker 2: players in military ranks, official ranks. What does this purge
32:26
Speaker 2: tell you, given the proximity of the Taiwan issue and
32:30
Speaker 2: given G's age.
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Speaker 12: It tells me a couple of things. The first thing
32:35
Speaker 12: is she is more intent on personal political power then
32:39
Speaker 12: he's on state capacity. If you go back to October
32:43
Speaker 12: twenty twenty three, the twentieth Party Congress, the unveil the
32:46
Speaker 12: Central Military Commission, that is the peak body that would
32:49
Speaker 12: decide on any invasion of Taiwan. Of those seven members
32:54
Speaker 12: in twenty twenty three, only three are left, so she
32:57
Speaker 12: has purged four of them. He's got himself into parties, loyalists.
33:02
Speaker 12: The President Yuji. He is the only one in the
33:06
Speaker 12: CMC who has had wartime experience going back to nineteen
33:10
Speaker 12: seventy nine. So the first thing you can say is
33:12
Speaker 12: she cares more about preserving his own unfettered political power
33:17
Speaker 12: than it does about state capacity. But the second thing,
33:20
Speaker 12: and I wouldn't rest easy, is this that if you
33:23
Speaker 12: remove those constraints, the theory is that I think this
33:26
Speaker 12: is the credible theory. She's the one that wants to
33:29
Speaker 12: move ahead potential to potentially use force in Taiwan. It's
33:33
Speaker 12: those other groups that want to hold him back. So
33:35
Speaker 12: if he gets rid of those other vectors of power,
33:39
Speaker 12: if she has un travel power in the medium term,
33:42
Speaker 12: I think that's actually a more dangerous situation.
33:47
Speaker 2: And what about reports are of debates inside Taiwan whether
33:53
Speaker 2: they're better to fight China should have come to that
33:58
Speaker 2: or basically acque.
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Speaker 12: Well, like any country, you've got to control the things
34:04
Speaker 12: you can control, and Taiwan has agency. Taiwan hasn't done
34:09
Speaker 12: what it needs to do, not just in terms of
34:11
Speaker 12: the amount of defense spending, but changing its military posture,
34:16
Speaker 12: buying weapons that would make it more difficult to invade,
34:19
Speaker 12: and also having a decent civilian defense program, a real
34:23
Speaker 12: one that would cause Beijing to pause. If Taiwan doesn't
34:28
Speaker 12: do all those things, then you actually increase the chance
34:31
Speaker 12: that Beijing will be tempted to use force. So the
34:33
Speaker 12: ball is in Taiwan's court. There is agency there in Taipei,
34:37
Speaker 12: depends whether they want to use it or not.
34:41
Speaker 2: And just reminding to people at home, Taiwan has never
34:46
Speaker 2: been a part of the communist Chinese state. This is
34:51
Speaker 2: something I think we always have to remind people, don't.
34:53
Speaker 12: We correct the People's Republic of China, that is China.
34:57
Speaker 12: They like to use the term reunification. But you're correct, Peter.
35:01
Speaker 12: The Taiwan has never been part of the PRC, so
35:05
Speaker 12: it's forced integration that Beijing once. It's not reunification.
35:12
Speaker 4: All right, John Lee, that's terrific analysis. Thank you.
35:14
Speaker 2: I make that point because I often hear that term
35:16
Speaker 2: used constantly in the media and I want to make
35:18
Speaker 2: sure we are accurate and you understand what's going on.
35:21
Speaker 4: Thank you, John.
35:22
Speaker 2: Right after the break, winds are whipping up in Victoria
35:25
Speaker 2: this afternoon.
35:25
Speaker 4: It's been stifling.
35:27
Speaker 2: Let me tell you a new state record has occurred close.
35:31
Speaker 4: To fifty not over the fifty, but very very close.
35:33
Speaker 4: I'm going to talk to.
35:34
Speaker 2: A firefighter after the break. He has an extraordinary story
35:37
Speaker 2: to tell you. And do you know the second verse
35:40
Speaker 2: of the anthem A lot do well? The NT boss says,
35:43
Speaker 2: every school's got to.
35:44
Speaker 4: Learn to sing it. I think it's a terrific move.
35:47
Speaker 4: We'll get to that as well. Welcome back. Coming up.
35:54
Speaker 2: Almost eight out of ten Australians believe that burning our
35:57
Speaker 2: flag should be against the law. So why did the
36:00
Speaker 2: Prime Minister vote against it recently? First, this story I
36:04
Speaker 2: was telling about extraordinary story of service and sacrifice is
36:08
Speaker 2: the Victoria grapples what authorities fear could be the most
36:12
Speaker 2: dangerous summer day in years today, with temperatures threating to
36:16
Speaker 2: push towards fifty degrees, it's still hot out there now,
36:18
Speaker 2: let me tell you, and an ongoing crisis inside the
36:22
Speaker 2: state's volunteer fire service, particularly in relation to funding.
36:26
Speaker 4: Today, of all days, it's worth.
36:27
Speaker 2: Reflecting on the men and women who run towards danger
36:31
Speaker 2: as the rest of us are told to pack our
36:33
Speaker 2: bags and cars and get out of there, battling fires
36:35
Speaker 2: in punishing conditions, often with far fewer resources than they need.
36:40
Speaker 2: Forty two was the top in Melbourne today, though it's
36:42
Speaker 2: still movie.
36:43
Speaker 4: We're expected to hit.
36:43
Speaker 2: Forty five while I'm on air, and an astonishing forty
36:48
Speaker 2: eight point nine.
36:49
Speaker 4: Degrees that's the new record and whop you up in.
36:52
Speaker 2: The Malley which was hitting that temperature at three thirty
36:55
Speaker 2: this afternoon. The state, of course is on high alerts
36:58
Speaker 2: South Australia two to get even in these extreme conditions.
37:01
Speaker 2: Stories of resilience and commitment continue to emerge. Less than
37:06
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, Michael Harper was amongst the CFA volunteers
37:10
Speaker 2: called in to defend his hometown of Alexandra from the
37:13
Speaker 2: advancing Longwood fire front. He stood shouldered to shoulder with
37:17
Speaker 2: his fellow volunteers protecting homes and properties, but he learned
37:20
Speaker 2: over the radio that one property in particular had been
37:23
Speaker 2: overrun by fire. Moments later he realized that was his
37:28
Speaker 2: own home. But you won't believe what he did next,
37:31
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say, Michael Harper joins me now in
37:33
Speaker 2: the studio. Well, I've got to say from the top,
37:37
Speaker 2: you know, as a grateful Victorian who's lived in country
37:39
Speaker 2: areas you and men and women like you deserve my
37:43
Speaker 2: internal gratitude, And I know my audience would say the
37:46
Speaker 2: same thing to you out there on the front line.
37:49
Speaker 2: When you heard that it was your place, When that
37:52
Speaker 2: came over the radio, what an earth went through your head?
37:55
Speaker 4: And what did you do next?
37:57
Speaker 13: We'd been out on the firefront for about twenty hours.
38:00
Speaker 13: We'd gone up towards terrup Terrap where the Longwood fires
38:03
Speaker 13: had started up in the highlands, and we'd been fighting
38:06
Speaker 13: through the night into the next day. We received a
38:09
Speaker 13: call or our crew leader, who's also the town mayor,
38:14
Speaker 13: received a.
38:14
Speaker 9: Call on his mobile phone that he'd lost his home.
38:16
Speaker 13: So we went out to his home, which is probably
38:20
Speaker 13: only a couple of kilometers out of town. We drove
38:23
Speaker 13: through a couple of walls of fire to get there.
38:25
Speaker 13: We made a decision with our crew that would go
38:27
Speaker 13: in see if we could do anything for his house.
38:30
Speaker 13: And as we drove through that firefront to look at
38:32
Speaker 13: his house, his house was standing there proud and hadn't
38:36
Speaker 13: been hit at all. So there was a lot of
38:38
Speaker 13: relief in the truck at that time, and then we
38:40
Speaker 13: turned around came back into town.
38:42
Speaker 9: As we were coming into.
38:43
Speaker 13: Town, over the radio, we heard that my house was
38:47
Speaker 13: in danger or sorry. At that stage, they were pulling
38:50
Speaker 13: the trucks out because of the gas bottles, and that's
38:53
Speaker 13: so I knew at that.
38:53
Speaker 9: Stage that it was my house. It was on fire.
38:55
Speaker 9: And we proceeded en route to.
38:57
Speaker 4: The house and what did you find he got there.
39:00
Speaker 9: Was well a blaze the sheds in the house.
39:03
Speaker 13: So it was pretty emotional walking up up the driveway
39:07
Speaker 13: watching the crews that were standing there fighting. At that stage,
39:10
Speaker 13: you realize there's not much you can do. You know
39:12
Speaker 13: that you can assist the crew there, and we gave
39:16
Speaker 13: them some order and thanked them for doing the job
39:18
Speaker 13: that they did. As I'm sure they would have done
39:20
Speaker 13: the same for us. And after about sort of half
39:24
Speaker 13: an hour, once they sort of started slowing everything down,
39:27
Speaker 13: we jump back in the truck and went back to
39:29
Speaker 13: the station.
39:32
Speaker 2: There's been a debate obviously about the resourcing for the CFA,
39:36
Speaker 2: the funding and those things. And you know, you're a volunteer,
39:39
Speaker 2: you don't want to get political. Give us a sense though,
39:42
Speaker 2: of the age of your trucks, the resources you've got.
39:47
Speaker 2: You know, now that you've faced a fire as hellish
39:50
Speaker 2: as you have, do you feel like you had what
39:52
Speaker 2: you need? Do you have what you need for those
39:54
Speaker 2: sorts of conditions.
39:56
Speaker 13: I had a conversation today with our strike team leader,
39:59
Speaker 13: who's also the CAP and of our brigade at Acron.
40:03
Speaker 13: It's pretty hard to tell, especially from my perspective.
40:05
Speaker 9: It's just a firefighter.
40:06
Speaker 13: We've got a fairly recent Our truck's pretty new and
40:09
Speaker 13: pretty state of the art.
40:11
Speaker 4: Does that have air sorry? Does it have air con?
40:15
Speaker 9: No? I understand?
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Speaker 4: The radio said why I know? Do they need air
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Speaker 4: coin in the truck?
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, have you seen the kit that they wear,
40:22
Speaker 2: the gear that they wear. It's forty five degrees and
40:25
Speaker 2: it's got a firewall coming at you. Just to be
40:28
Speaker 2: able to survive and breathe inside that truck, just with
40:30
Speaker 2: even something simple like air con let alone all your
40:33
Speaker 2: shields and protection, it's no brainer.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's and we're pretty comfortable our truck. And you
40:39
Speaker 13: get the guys off the deck whenever you can and
40:41
Speaker 13: get them inside the truck and put the call were
40:43
Speaker 13: on as best you can. I don't know, There's there's
40:47
Speaker 13: a number of issues surrounding. Did we have enough volunteers
40:51
Speaker 13: to go on strike teams that night? Did we get
40:53
Speaker 13: enough trucks up there? Why did we need to do
40:56
Speaker 13: such long stints without getting tapped twenty hours?
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Speaker 9: I think in the end it was twenty eight hours.
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Speaker 13: And we do realize some of the trucks are pretty old.
41:06
Speaker 13: We get trained up on those trucks. We have crew
41:08
Speaker 13: protection within our trucks, which means the tanks retain a
41:11
Speaker 13: certain amount of water in case we get in a
41:14
Speaker 13: dangerous position where we stop the truck and we put
41:16
Speaker 13: an umbrella of order over us. I think your adrenaline's
41:19
Speaker 13: going in that type of situation when it's what we
41:22
Speaker 13: call an armourged and day, you're just going from property
41:25
Speaker 13: to property to property. Whilst you appreciate the air conditioning,
41:29
Speaker 13: it's probably not at the forefront of our mind, especially
41:31
Speaker 13: for those of us in the truck when there's guys
41:33
Speaker 13: in the back that have literally got walls of fire
41:36
Speaker 13: blistering the truck. I think it's just something we're trained
41:40
Speaker 13: for and we do. And I think out of this
41:41
Speaker 13: there'll be an assessment of the condition of the trucks,
41:44
Speaker 13: know how we can do what we did better. But
41:46
Speaker 13: the nature of the fire is it changes, It's got
41:49
Speaker 13: its own life, it moves in its own direction. It
41:52
Speaker 13: would have been great if we'd stopped it a long
41:53
Speaker 13: wood and it hadn't come down, but that's just not
41:56
Speaker 13: the nature of fire. And I think we do the
41:58
Speaker 13: best with the equipment we've gotten. Hope hopefully equipment will
42:01
Speaker 13: continue to get better and better as we go.
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Speaker 2: We're just out of time almost. But I got to
42:05
Speaker 2: ask you know that the conditions today in a late
42:08
Speaker 2: change in wind, it's whipping across the west of the state.
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Speaker 4: No one has lost more.
42:13
Speaker 2: Australian lives to bushfire than Victoria, and particularly this time
42:17
Speaker 2: of year, it gets so much worse after the Christmas
42:22
Speaker 2: New Year period. What do you say to a day
42:25
Speaker 2: like this to Australians.
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Speaker 13: Look, I think a great thing that's come out of
42:29
Speaker 13: this fire for us is the amount of properties that
42:31
Speaker 13: we went to that were not occupied.
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Speaker 9: Probably out of the third we got out, people had
42:35
Speaker 9: got out.
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Speaker 13: Out of the thirty properties we went to, there's probably
42:38
Speaker 13: only two of them that were occupied. And that's why
42:40
Speaker 13: we've had such little amount of deaths in this fire,
42:44
Speaker 13: is because people are heeding those warnings to get out.
42:46
Speaker 9: That helps us as a c the sees.
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Speaker 2: So we do it enough back burning, as people tell
42:51
Speaker 2: me we're not doing it.
42:52
Speaker 9: I don't personally think we are.
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Speaker 13: To be honest with you, I think you know that
42:56
Speaker 13: the fuel loads quite a lot and we need the
42:58
Speaker 13: perfect conditions to do back burning. You know, if you
43:01
Speaker 13: do backburning and properties are lost, there's a lot of political.
43:04
Speaker 9: Banter around that.
43:05
Speaker 13: So but the biggest message for us, and the most
43:09
Speaker 13: out of this fire for us, comes a point that
43:11
Speaker 13: how many people left and if people continue to heed
43:14
Speaker 13: that warning and leave and look after themselves. You know,
43:17
Speaker 13: properties a properties, lives never come back. Properties can be rebuilt.
43:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wrong. Michael, thank you for everything you do.
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Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you appreciate.
43:24
Speaker 2: Coming in today too, Strawy bloke there, Michael Harper, like
43:27
Speaker 2: many CFA volunteers around the country, so CFA is Victoria
43:32
Speaker 2: that as many volunteers the five fires around the country.
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Speaker 4: Thank you to all of you for what you do.
43:37
Speaker 2: After the break, the premier who wants flag burning banned?
43:42
Speaker 2: And I'm going to ask my next guest, can you
43:43
Speaker 2: imagine the outrage if she was to burn the Aboriginal
43:47
Speaker 2: forbid the rainbow flag? But Ozzie Flag's okay? After the break,
43:55
Speaker 2: welcome back well today news that the Queensland Premier David
43:57
Speaker 2: Christoph Foley backs are federal ban. I'm burning the Australian
44:01
Speaker 2: flag after it was set on fire at Brisbane's Invasion
44:04
Speaker 2: Day protests. He says the acts disgraceful, is right and
44:08
Speaker 2: yet it was only a couple of months ago the
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government voted against legislation to ban the practice. Here
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Speaker 2: for they take by panel of course format South Australian
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Speaker 2: Liberal and Paintercol Flint and Paige Research Center CEO Jared Holland,
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Speaker 2: welcome to you both. I'll start with you, Jared. You
44:25
Speaker 2: know the push to ban flag burning came from the
44:28
Speaker 2: former soldier Queensland LNPMP Phil Thompson. I agree with him.
44:34
Speaker 2: I know being able to burn your flag is free speech.
44:39
Speaker 2: That's okay when we used to believe in things, when
44:42
Speaker 2: we're patriotic, when you could talk people around stupid stunts
44:45
Speaker 2: like this. But I think how our culture has gone
44:48
Speaker 2: down the toilet. If I'm frank and I don't think
44:50
Speaker 2: I want to see anyone desecrate our flag.
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Speaker 14: Well, it was clearly an act designed to intimidate heritage Australians.
44:58
Speaker 14: There's no other way of looking at especially in context
45:00
Speaker 14: of an invasion day rally. But but just to the
45:03
Speaker 14: broader point about our culture, Peter, we even over the
45:05
Speaker 14: last couple of weeks have torn ourselves apart as a country,
45:08
Speaker 14: debating hate speech laws, how to prevent the kind of
45:11
Speaker 14: atrocities that happened in Bondai back in December, what is
45:15
Speaker 14: considered dangerous, what is considered violent, And yet just in
45:18
Speaker 14: the last week we've seen multiple Australian monsoon monuments desecrated.
45:23
Speaker 14: We've seen them top We've seen spray painting of death
45:26
Speaker 14: to Australia. One of the vandals filmed themselves so they
45:29
Speaker 14: wanted to kill the colonizers. We've seen protesters clash with
45:33
Speaker 14: patriots in some of the rallies that happened around the country,
45:36
Speaker 14: with one person getting stabbed just for carrying a flag.
45:39
Speaker 14: Our country is at breaking point. An anti Australian sentiment
45:42
Speaker 14: has never been higher. With credible and real threats and
45:46
Speaker 14: calls to violence. We've heard nothing from Albanies. We've heard
45:49
Speaker 14: nothing from the Attorney General, We've heard nothing from the
45:51
Speaker 14: Immigration Minister. There has been nothing absolute radio signs from
45:55
Speaker 14: the government on these real, serious threats of violence against Australians.
45:59
Speaker 14: And your point about burning a flag. We have to
46:01
Speaker 14: start taking this seriously because no one else is. The
46:04
Speaker 14: government isn't, and Australia should be worried. And I think
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Speaker 14: that is why people overwhelmingly want this practice banned, because
46:10
Speaker 14: something has to push back against these radical left activists, so.
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Speaker 4: They would an overwhelmingly band.
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Speaker 2: You're right, seventy seven percent of Australians believe that burning
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Speaker 2: our flag should be against the law. Nicole, and I
46:23
Speaker 2: mentioned this going into the break. Imagine the outrage if
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Speaker 2: you would have burned the Aboriginal flag, Nicole Flint, or
46:30
Speaker 2: you took the matches to the Rainbow flag.
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Speaker 5: Well, I have no doubt that under Labour's dangerous new
46:38
Speaker 5: hate crime laws, I'd probably be thrown into jail if
46:41
Speaker 5: I did that, Peter, I have no doubt I'd be
46:43
Speaker 5: reported to the Human Rights Commission. I have no doubt
46:45
Speaker 5: that the ABC and the Fairfax Media would launch some
46:48
Speaker 5: sort of campaign to have me canceled for the rest
46:51
Speaker 5: of my life. Yet, as we have seen, when it's
46:56
Speaker 5: vehemently dangerous anti Australian behavior, nothing happens.
47:01
Speaker 4: You know, Labor and the Left.
47:04
Speaker 5: If it wasn't for their double standards and their hypocrisy,
47:07
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have any standards at all.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's have some good news that all the
47:13
Speaker 2: territory government's going to mandate the singing of both verses
47:16
Speaker 2: or so there are more than two verses, but at
47:19
Speaker 2: least two verses of the Australian National anthem. But all
47:21
Speaker 2: school assemblies. We used to have to sing it when
47:24
Speaker 2: I was growing up. We used to have to march
47:26
Speaker 2: as well. I don't think either of those things anymore.
47:28
Speaker 2: I think this is a terrific idea. I'll put the screen,
47:31
Speaker 2: I'll put the words on the screen for people at home.
47:34
Speaker 2: Got to tell you I love this. Leah Finickiero government Nicole.
47:39
Speaker 2: It does not muck around.
47:41
Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 5: The NTCLP are certainly leading the nation when it comes
47:45
Speaker 5: to defending our Australian values out there doing this in
47:49
Speaker 5: every public school so that kids not only know the
47:53
Speaker 5: words to both sorry, the words to both verses of
47:57
Speaker 5: our national anthem, but also to make sure that they
47:59
Speaker 5: understand and our Australian values and that they learn how
48:04
Speaker 5: our country works. I think that every single state government
48:07
Speaker 5: around the nation should be following their lead. And we
48:10
Speaker 5: know we've got an absolutely brilliant first Minister in Lea
48:15
Speaker 5: because this is also the woman who said I will
48:18
Speaker 5: not tolerate men in women's jails. So she just keeps
48:21
Speaker 5: doing such a great job and quite frankly, I think
48:23
Speaker 5: America might.
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Speaker 6: Move to the nt.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about this drought in investment in renewables.
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Speaker 4: It's huge and put real pressure on the government here
48:36
Speaker 4: against their targets.
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Speaker 14: Jared Well, the government is over ten years behind their
48:41
Speaker 14: twenty thirty targets. So in order to reach eighty two
48:44
Speaker 14: percent renewables by twenty thirty, which is the target base set,
48:47
Speaker 14: which is the buying constraint on all of our regulatory bodies.
48:50
Speaker 14: They need to be building about seven plus gigawatts of
48:53
Speaker 14: nameplate capacity per year. Well is last year the only
48:57
Speaker 14: built too, so we are well behind where we need
49:00
Speaker 14: to do. We have to get to one hundred and
49:01
Speaker 14: twenty gigawatts under the government's plan by twenty fifty. We're
49:04
Speaker 14: sitting on about twenty three gigawats now now. But this
49:07
Speaker 14: is crucially important because this isn't just that investors aren't
49:10
Speaker 14: willing to put their money there, and of course there
49:12
Speaker 14: is no money. The more solar panels you put on,
49:14
Speaker 14: they all compete with each other. At the same time,
49:16
Speaker 14: they don't meet peak demands when we need that power.
49:19
Speaker 14: But the government is still committed to accelerating the closures
49:23
Speaker 14: of our coal fire power stations. We still don't have
49:25
Speaker 14: enough gas in the system and this is fast becoming
49:27
Speaker 14: a national security issue. It has been a price paying
49:30
Speaker 14: point for households and businesses, but it will soon become
49:33
Speaker 14: a national security issue unless we get more base load
49:37
Speaker 14: supply in the system. The fact is the government can't
49:39
Speaker 14: catch this up and we need a drastic pivot. We've
49:41
Speaker 14: started to see that in Queensland, where they're backing coal.
49:43
Speaker 14: We've seen Chris mins give the tick to colon New
49:45
Speaker 14: South Wales. I think you're going to see across Australia
49:48
Speaker 14: now that smoother heeads will provade off as no one
49:51
Speaker 14: wants blackouts and ongoing brownouts on their.
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Speaker 4: Watch, not at all. Thank you both. Shout out to
49:57
Speaker 4: my elboss two.
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Speaker 2: Tony Avidy's book A History of Australia has clocked up
50:01
Speaker 2: sixty five thousand purchases. I think that's about the highest
50:06
Speaker 2: there's been for any book in Australia by a politician,
50:09
Speaker 2: including the books from John Howard. So that's a tremendous
50:12
Speaker 2: Who would have thought Who would have thought a book
50:14
Speaker 2: about Australia positive book about Australia might sell?
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Speaker 4: There you go. That's it for me, See you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 4: Here's Andrew