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#52 - MLB vs NFL: Who Gets the Call Right with Technology? · Life According to Brian and Jason

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  My question to you. There's great baseball and good football going on.
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  Everything's heating up. Who does the technology better on getting the call right?
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  That's my question. Football or MLB?
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  I think MLB is the winner right now. I mean, they are different games.
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  However, baseball was like the system that dragged its feet to technology.
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  You know, all the controversy, the purest.
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  But I have to say, during this World Series, it is delightful.
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  The ABS challenges are quick, fast.
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  They can get the plays right. You know, as far as replays, they're fast.
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  Home run, you know, issues. They're good at that with the cameras.
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  I have to say, I think the MLB got it dialed in.
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  Football's a dumpster fire. I'm sorry. Let's dive into that.
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  I don't know. But wait, first, wait, wait. With the baseball,
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  though, I would agree. Throughout the whole season, it has been good. Yeah.
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  And it has had a relatively, in my opinion, we're baseball people.
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  Short struggle time i mean right like they kind of got it going and yeah i don't
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  know my son ryan he uh he's into video and all that he showed me this thing where,
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  the amount of behind the scenes like watching any kind of game football and
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  baseball are really good tv games,
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  the amount of camera switches there's a guy oh yeah girl standing there going go to four,
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  go to three paint it two go back to four go back to four three three that and
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  they get these dudes with a board that looks like a christmas tree,
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  and it is non-stop think about that the whole game this guy is going back and
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  forth and then throw in lightning quick decisions,
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  and just remembering all that i think is amazing and i agree baseball it has been seamless,
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  and i think for the most part they get right.
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  They do i i have to you know i kind of have to side with i think the be the
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  game is easier to use technology on because there's less players there's,
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  hardly any contact except for you know first and home plate that kind of thing
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  so it is a different game in that regards i i just think it's funny that,
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  no one wanted technology in baseball they thought it would never work And here we are going,
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  I'm really enjoying this experience and the gains faster.
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  Yeah, there's a lot of pros. Now, I'm sure there's negatives to it,
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  but NFL just seems messy.
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  Don't you think right now? It seems complicated or overly. It does.
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  And, you know, part of their problem, too, is they've been trying to fight over.
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  You know, you're a billion dollar industry.
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  Those refs should have full term job.
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  There is nothing holding them back. They should be treated well,
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  respected, and just given the nines so they feel confident out there.
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  It just seems at times like it's, you know, what are we doing?
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  Yeah, yeah. Well, I think you hit on it right there. Now, Major League Baseball
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  umpires, they make like $400,000 and up or something last time I heard.
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  And they are true employees of MLB. They travel around.
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  NFL officials have full-time jobs doing other things.
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  Right? It's really on the cusp. You know, it's like, well, I could live on this.
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  You're done well. Yeah.
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  I think that's what it comes down to. Complicated game with technology.
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  And then you kind of have basically part-time employees. i think that's a lot
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  of what we're seeing is just the inconsistencies in you're not sitting down going through,
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  the replays probably as much as say mlb is and things like that and really honing
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  the craft of being official yeah it just seems like you're winging it i don't
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  know that's just well it just compounds when you have to have
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  questionable calling at times maybe,
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  and then with added Just looking at a comparison, you know, baseball,
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  primary ball tracking, they have stat cast cameras and radar,
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  whereas football has RFID infrared microchips inside the ball.
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  Yeah, now that. 2016, you're talking about baseball dragging their feet.
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  Yeah, I know they've been on it. I do like that they can have precise ball placement
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  in football with little microchips.
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  That's nice. Remember the old days and, you know, the sticks coming out and
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  was the guy standing in the right place to begin with and all that kind of stuff.
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  But I think. That's a sweet job, though, that I just lost. That would have been a sick job.
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  Just holding the chains, right? Yeah, just going out. I mean,
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  hello, I'd sign up for that, but go ahead. Right.
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  Well, maybe you're the guy putting the microchips in the balls now. I don't know.
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  That's funny. But I don't know.
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  I think what's flagging NFL right now is just how it slowed the game down.
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  The inconsistent calls, especially on roughing the passer, they can't seem to
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  figure that one out at all.
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  A little push versus a slam, and they're called two different ways.
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  And then the recent officials getting upset. I've never really seen NFL officials
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  get overly upset. And this year, there's been a lot more emotion.
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  They're feeling the heat, man. They got Brian and Jason talking smack, calling them out.
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  A lot of people have, you know, the officiating for baseball,
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  you know, they have the video review for base plays, the ABS, automated ball strike.
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  Whereas football has instant replay center, the tablet reviews on the sidelines,
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  automated line spot tech, limited by player piles, you know.
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  Is it just football is more complicated, more rules, more things going on? I think so. I think so.
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  I do think, though, that they –,
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  I think the NFL takes advantage of it, and I would argue that,
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  oh, hey, we need a little review time. Let's go to commercial break.
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  They love their commercial breaks.
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  I'm not saying MLB does it.
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  They do it a lot, especially during this World Series. But, yeah,
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  I kind of – how much is money versus, say, their tech or their policy or procedures
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  aren't quite tight enough? What do you think?
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  Maybe not tight enough. I don't know. Baseball also was feeling the pinch.
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  They were kind of hurting with too long of games.
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  And they had to speed it up. And they had to jump on board and just really figure that out.
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  Because football has always been a TV sport.
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  You know, they have to be in that window for the next game.
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  Baseball to stay relevant in this era of TV schedules, you have to have a game
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  done. A certain amount of time.
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  I think that is the case and then back to officiating and how you treat employees,
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  giving them the tools and I don't know I also like how giving some agency you
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  couldn't really do this in football but agency for catchers and them to call a challenge,
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  I think it's good and exciting and quick it's quick, boom, it's done right,
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  now correct me if I'm wrong NFL.
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  Does the head official still reviewed video?
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  You know? And they're getting, and they're hearing it from New York.
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  Right, so they're getting two sources, their own. In their ear.
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  In their ear, and then their own video replay versus baseball,
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  like, just defaults to the central. Right.
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  I don't think they totally default in NFL because I don't think they want to go quite that route.
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  And And to speed up the game, they might need to, because it's really slow, I have to say.
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  So I don't know if that's because, you know, the head ref is arm wrestling with,
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  you know, New York, the central.
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  You know, it seems to me there's not a tight enough like over,
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  you know, hey, New York said it's done.
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  Go. You know, I don't know. It seems kind of like they don't have that figured
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  out. It's not seamless. I saw them sell them.
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  Well, it's all about control and change and who has the power.
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  Baseball is looking at a real power struggle here coming up.
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  I think they're going to have a labor strike among other issues.
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  I think the union for baseball is fairly strong, whereas the union for football
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  is not so much. Where were you thinking about that? I mean, I don't know.
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  I'm just throwing off the cuff.
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  It seems like work stoppages are more unified with baseball when they do it,
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  I think baseball what's surprising is part of the collective bargaining agreement
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  that they have to go to is it expired really when I looked at it just,
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  kind of the oversight like what are the key components none of it was on,
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  the tech of the game or the change of the game years ago it was remember oh my god.
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  No, this is, I think even the players are on board with how the whole technology
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  has incorporated itself.
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  Because, you know, they've got sensors in the bats now, all that kind of stuff.
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  So that does not seem to be an issue. I think because they've got it right well
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  enough that the players now are more MLB players who focus more on,
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  you know, cap salaries, things like that.
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  So that's more of their concern versus NFL.
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  Like you said, it's a different beast. It's a more profitable situation,
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  but yet they don't treat the refs as well as they treat MLB umpires. So that's an issue.
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  And then the owners have way more power in the NFL than I think in the MLB.
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  So I don't know.
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  It's two different beasts. but I do see the ICS maybe not seeing much baseball
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  next year Jason because it all comes down to money man it does and.
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  I don't know. Maybe some things will get worked out and it'll be good,
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  but people will turn away.
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  People will turn away and they'll be like, you know what?
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  Where's that cycling in Europe I want to watch?
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  I'd rather be watching that right now than my man. That's right. That's right. Yeah.
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  Yeah. You know, it can happen. It can't sour. I mean. Right. Right.
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  King is football. Football, even regardless of all this, they are king.
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  I mean, they can do whatever, however, and we're doing all this.
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  And maybe it's such a big beast that that's why it's slow moving.
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  And baseball is realizing, hey, we got to make some changes.
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  Right, right. I really see, I see this year in the NFL being kind of bumpy when
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  it comes to the play calling.
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  But in some ways that's okay because I think they are going to go to a much quicker.
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  Replay version that allows maybe like say a quarterback or a player to challenge
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  what is done through AI just really fast,
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  because they have these, all these players are mapped out digitally.
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  Remember that from the World Cup and how each player had to go through the digital mapping,
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  so that when they're on the field, the computer actually looks at the player
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  live and then it has a digital map of that person that they can analyze.
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  Did that player touch the ball or not? That whole thing.
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  It's crazy. So, yeah, they can digitally analyze all of that in a fraction of a second with AI.
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  I think the game is going to change probably pretty quickly in the next two
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  to three years as far as officiating.
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  They got that to deal with. Football does. But they also have another major
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  inner problem that is really affecting things. And fantasy players know this.
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  I may have talked about this in a future or past podcast, man. Injuries.
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  Yes. Injuries are just crushing the NFL. I'm not saying they're not crushing MLB either.
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  I mean, everyone's bigger, stronger, faster. And, you know, they're doing these
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  workouts or whatever they're doing to get peak condition that could or could not be on the up and up.
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  Why do you think that is? It makes your tendons.
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  Some maybe treatments, let's just say, that are not illegal yet.
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  Also, from football, everyone's bigger and faster. Everyone's just a behemoth,
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  man. They're just looking...
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  The hits are hard. Yeah, you would think with the modern rules of you know,
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  flagrant, you know, unnecessary roughness and,
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  you know, all the rules around protecting the quarterback.
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  Wouldn't that, like, keep the game safer? And it seems to have gone the other
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  way. We've had improved helmets.
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  We've had improved pads. And we've had improved training methods.
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  Wouldn't you think it would go the other way?
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  I don't know, man. Some teams seem to be plagued more than others.
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  I don't know. I'd be like, man, you got to get your strength and conditioning coach.
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  What's going on here? Right.
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  49ers. Or like you said, you're just building such a big player these days. Just,
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  I'm sorry, the whole player is not all muscle. They're carrying a lot of other
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  weight on them. And the body can only take so much.
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  So I don't know if bigger is better and say longevity.
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  Yeah, they definitely have that. And they have to work on the tech.
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  And they have to work on labor issues. And they have to work on owner profits
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  and how some big teams get a lot of money and the little teams don't.
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  And they have to share. But anyway, I digress. Yes?
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  Well, I think in football, they have the big rule is lowering the head, right?
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  No head-to-head contact. They're trying to minimize that. So,
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  you know, you're minimizing future brain damage and all this kind of thing.
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  So this last weekend, I loved the player, Cam Scadaboo.
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  He's an ASU running back, and not a lot of teams dug him.
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  They just like, you know, he's a college kid, but you ever watch footage of
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  him during his last college game where he just put the whole team on his back
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  and basically just ran the ball. He got an offensive.
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  Penalty this last weekend for hitting too hard, lowering his head as a running
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  back and plowing into people.
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  Now that's a rare penalty, but it's here.
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  And I think this marks a change in my opinion, going forward where they are
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  trying to minimize injuries and it's just going to get messy and ugly, you know?
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  And they got to be tracking those players and making that. So they went to,
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  that was a hit that when they track them, you know, wear practice devices,
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  sideline communication, chips.
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  Chips in the helmets. How, how hard did say, can Scadaboo actually hit that
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  guy? Oh, he went over the line. He sits on the sideline. That could be the future.
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  I don't know. About a 4.2 instead of a 2. Right. Yeah. Who knows what the future
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  is going to hold on how hard you hit somebody and, oh, you hit too hard,
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  so sit on the bench versus, Football from the 70s was how hard you could hit them,
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  right? There was no guard. After smoking a heater at halftime. Right.
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  Yeah, a little shot of brandy in the locker room at halftime,
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  right? Oh, my gosh. I know. Those were just completely different days,
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  you know. North Dallas 40, people. Watch that. I know.
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  Yep oh dude I know you and I live in a we're that strange group of people that
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  have the branch between what football was very raw back in the 70s,
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  You and I don't have any collective idea how it was in, say,
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  the 50s and 60s, other than from footage.
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  But we've seen the game change so much. Is that strange? Is that strange?
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  No, man. Change is inevitable. Change happens. It just keeps going.
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  And the biggest part of all this and what generates the money,
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  the interest, where it is just sport is a great distractor from life.
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  Oh, it is. And it's also just a unifying factor for people to talk and have connection.
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  So, well, where do you think this is all going to go?
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  I mean, AI is in our face. And I know we have all these protests like,
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  oh, we don't want AI data centers. Well, they're already built in most places.
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  And we use AI, whether we know it or not, half the time on our phones and in
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  our computers. and it's embedded in the workforce now heavily.
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  What effect on the game is it going to have? Can it make it better?
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  I agree with you. I think it'll make it a little cleaner. I think they're going
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  to see if they can use AI to help protect players.
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  Longevity.
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  Ultimately, if you have players just getting hurt all the time, boom, boom. Right.
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  Quicker than the naked eye, you say oh you did this,
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  well it may come down to that like yeah you there's like maybe only so many,
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  hits you can take based on your bizio type and how you know how your brain works
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  you know who knows what they might do and say all right.
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  You're on the bench. You know? Who knows? Who won't?
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  Or just a stat of track, you know, keeping a stat of that. Right.
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  How that hitting. It's all about data. You know?
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  Data. Thanks, Moneyball. I know. It's here.
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  Isn't that funny? It all started in baseball. Shifted to other sports.
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  But overall, I agree. I think baseball does it cleaner, which is ironic because they came to it later.
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  Right. And I think that's maybe because football is more of a nebulous animal
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  that has a lot of moving parts. They can be unpredictable.
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  I think so. They want to clean it up. They're going to want to clean that up.
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  I think so. I think they will.
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  Technology is there. That's what I say. So I think they'll clean it up.
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  And, you know, we will be the judge of that as fans. Guess what?
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  You know, you just get to sit and wait and see.
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  That's the beauty of it. you know and but i'm i'm looking forward to it i i,
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  i anything that keeps the players,
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  healthier i think that's a good thing without wrecking the game and i think
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  the other thing i'd want to see is just,
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  rate of play right rate of play rate of play just keep the speed of the game going and uh that's,
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  that's the big thing for me is because i just i get a little annoyed like oh
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  man, it takes 30 seconds really to make this call?
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  Seems short, 30 seconds.
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  In a game, that's a little long. Yes.
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  Okay, Brian, before we go, I got a quick question. NFL won first.
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  What is a team that has surprised you so far or that you might be watching that
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  you don't normally watch?
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  In the NFL? Yeah, you just kind of watch her in there, I know.
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  But is there any team that is outside your usual that you're kind of going, hmm?
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  I have to say the Browns are intriguing this year.
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  I mean, I don't normally say Cleveland Browns in any kind of form of sentence,
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  but, you know, it's like normally you expect them to be 0-5 right now, and they're not.
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  So that's the one I'm watching. You're being Browns. You know,
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  the Browns are doing what the Browns do.
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  Right, right. So who knows? Maybe they've turned a corner because they finally
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  got something figured out.
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  Or I don't know their story. So that's the one team I'm going to kind of loosely follow and track.
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  What's yours? I've got an old school coach, but I'll just bring it in.
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  But mine would be the Steelers. Hello, Founder Youth and Rogers.
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  They're fighting two. What?
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  Tied for first place. And AFC North, all was dead. Maybe Mike McCarthy is the savior of the team.
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  Boy, I tell you what, those two dudes have a lot of drama going.
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  They're always just yelling at each other on the sideline. Bombing. Right.
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  I have to say it's good entertainment, you know. Right. Get the play in.
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  Get the play in. I know. Aaron just loves to, you know, wiggle the finger and say, come on. I know.
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  I know. And then all of a sudden he's, like, dancing around like he's a toddler. He's like, what?
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  He's, like, having a fit, you know.
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  They're making stuff happen and then tonight the Brewers raise game the Brewers
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  have it locked in or what's going on I think Tampa Bay's got at least,
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  win one to save face unless they're emotionally gassed I don't know they could just be,
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  we're done and it just could be a rollover game but I'm hoping not go Tampa
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  Bay because why Brian still wants some more baseball.
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  Yes, and the pundits said seven games. What? Let's go. Right,
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  right, right. Yeah, so far everybody's kind of wrong, but anyway.
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  Brewers might be a team of destiny.
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  I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. But, well, guess what, Jason?
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  What? Hey, I think we're out of time.
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  What's your final prediction tonight?
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  I think the Brewers are going to keep steamrolling them. Just go,
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  huh? Okay. All right. They're in their psyche. What about you?
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  I'm going for Tampa Bay. Just give me one. Give me one.
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  But, hey, if the Brewers win it, fantastic. That city deserves it. It'll be a party for me.
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  And your mom will be out at the party. She will be.
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  That's right. Ladies are already excited. They're all talking about it. Yeah. Nice.
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  Well, friends, thanks for joining us on this episode of Life According to Brian.
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  And Jason. Hey, until next time, find us everywhere.
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  Buy us a coffee. Take care.