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Competition & Internal Improvements | Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, March 21 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome Jags Drivetime with John Hosier Herson and Brian sexty
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  Speaker 1: six day Jangs Drive Time. It starts right now. Hello
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: and welcome to Jags Drive Time. Brian Sexon along with
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  Speaker 1: John Osier here, and we're getting to the end of March.
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  Speaker 1: It really John, it's it's surprising how quickly we are
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  Speaker 1: on the cusp of the draft, and it's surprising how
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  Speaker 1: quickly March has gone. Well, they always go to the
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  Speaker 1: same face, no, no, I know, hours a day, thirty days,
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  Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. Part of that is is that
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguar season extended almost to the end of January,
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  Speaker 1: and so instead of being done right around the new year,
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  Speaker 1: there was a whole other month. But here we are
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  Speaker 1: now five weeks from the draft, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're really you got owners meetings that you'll
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  Speaker 1: be at over the weekend and next week we're almost there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it goes quick, and they know the NFL has pushed
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  Speaker 1: that a little bit by extending the season now into
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  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl first week of February, right with the
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  Speaker 1: seventeenth game. You know, you always hear stuff at some
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  Speaker 1: point they may add an eighteenth and they push this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, boy, or they compressing the offseason. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're almost there. We've got a lot to talk about
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  Speaker 1: it today's show. We'll start with big Things and get
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  Speaker 1: right to it. John. I know we're gonna talk at
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  Speaker 1: some point over the course of ozone snapshot later in
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  Speaker 1: the show about the emails that you're getting about improvement
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  Speaker 1: in Folks not necessarily understanding how the Jaguars can improve
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  Speaker 1: their roster if they're not bringing in new players. But
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  Speaker 1: improvement comes in a lot of different ways, and a
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  Speaker 1: big part of that is the roster can get better
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  Speaker 1: without adding big name free agents. We'll talk about that
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  Speaker 1: in just a moment. Also number two on the big
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  Speaker 1: things list is some key reserves are back. Yesterday, Trey
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  Speaker 1: Herndon resigned, Adam Gotsis resigned. These aren't big name players
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  Speaker 1: that people are saying, oh, absolutely, that's problems, but it
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  Speaker 1: does mean that you've got reliable players who fit a
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  Speaker 1: very specific role who are back in Jacksonville. And finally,
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  Speaker 1: big thing three stones meaning turn over the stones. This
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  Speaker 1: is really the time of year where the money that
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  Speaker 1: you put into the scouting department pays big devidends or
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't and John. Starting with big thing three, The
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  Speaker 1: scouting budgets huge for an NFL team. Sure, I mean
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  Speaker 1: you've got guys who are out on the road all
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  Speaker 1: season long, driving, flying, staying in hotels eating. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a big part of the Jaguars football budget.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where investing in the right guys in
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  Speaker 1: the right tools pays off, because when you don't have
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  Speaker 1: the room on your cap to sign, you've got to
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  Speaker 1: find ways to do it in the draft. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you have to find ways of doing the draft. You
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  Speaker 1: also have to find ways to do it in second
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  Speaker 1: and third tier free agency. And that's not the scouting
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about, but it's still part of what
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  Speaker 1: they do. I think second and third tier free agency
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  Speaker 1: could be very important. And I'm referencing arden Key, who's
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  Speaker 1: been a big topic for the last week or so.
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  Speaker 1: Remember they got arden Key second tier free agency last
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  Speaker 1: year on a one year deal. He's the sort of
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  Speaker 1: player that I think at some point, it maybe two
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  Speaker 1: or three weeks down the road, that they would like
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  Speaker 1: to get a third tier guy to come in and
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  Speaker 1: give them some sort of help in some areas we do,
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  Speaker 1: my guests, But more to your point, this scouting and
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  Speaker 1: the structure and the approach in the draft is about
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  Speaker 1: to become much more. It's always important. It's about to
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  Speaker 1: become critical when they signed Trevor Lawrence to the big contract.
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  Speaker 1: That will happen at some point the couple of seasons,
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  Speaker 1: you will, by necessity become a quarterback centric salary cap
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  Speaker 1: much like the Chiefs. There's a little room on those
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  Speaker 1: franchises for big name guys. But you can't have the
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  Speaker 1: spending spreeze and free agency that Jaguars have had last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years. It won't happen. It can't happen. And
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  Speaker 1: I had somebody asked me the other day, how is
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  Speaker 1: it that the Chiefs, with their high dollars quarterback are
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  Speaker 1: able to give Juan Taylor twenty million dollars a year
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  Speaker 1: and the Jaguars can't And they haven't paid their quarterback yet.
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  Speaker 1: But you have to go back to last year. The
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  Speaker 1: reason that the Jaguars don't have the financial means. I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't say that because mister con could obviously write the check,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't have the cap room is because they
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  Speaker 1: spent so heavily the last two off seasons in free agency.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have the room to go out and do
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  Speaker 1: it now. Three four years from now, when they become
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  Speaker 1: a draft and developed team, right, there's probably some room
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  Speaker 1: on the margins to be able to go and do that.
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  Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't think people remember or understand
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  Speaker 1: how much they had to sign in free agency just
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  Speaker 1: to get act to the point where they could do
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  Speaker 1: what they did last year where they could compete um
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at what they did, they added
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  Speaker 1: high price, They completely rebuilt their receiving corps and now
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  Speaker 1: you have late first contract in Calvin Ridley, a first
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  Speaker 1: round contracted that spot. You also have free agent money,
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  Speaker 1: veteran free agent money, wide receiver Christian Kirk, wide receivers
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  Speaker 1: A Jones Ingram Brandon Sheriff was signed last year. Cam
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  Speaker 1: Robinson was re up last year. You have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of early second contract money all around the offense. You
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  Speaker 1: also Foya Lukon the year before, Roy Robertson and Harris Williams.
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  Speaker 1: So that's Trent Ball could be the first one to
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  Speaker 1: tell you that's too many second contract big dollars there.
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  Speaker 1: But they had to do it to get But when
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  Speaker 1: they did it, the first thing, Trent Balky said after
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  Speaker 1: that signing class way back in twenty twenty two. This
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  Speaker 1: won't happen next year. It can happen next year. This
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  Speaker 1: was about the plan was always get it to this year.
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  Speaker 1: It was going to be a two year deal with
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  Speaker 1: these guys and then your cap would get freed up
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  Speaker 1: where you could start being a draft and developed team
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  Speaker 1: and really get the cap right. I mean Trent to
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  Speaker 1: be the first one to tell you it's not right
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  Speaker 1: right now. This is not how you want to function
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  Speaker 1: long term. But they had to get back to competitiveness
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  Speaker 1: and that's how they did it well. And you also
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  Speaker 1: look at what the Jaguars can and will want to resign.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned Trevor, he's eligible for a contract after next season.
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  Speaker 1: You've got Josh Allen and if he comes out and
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  Speaker 1: has a big year this year, you're gonna want to
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  Speaker 1: give him that. Tyson Campbell's coming up soon and he's
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  Speaker 1: obviously a cornerstone. And then you look at a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Travis Etn who's only played one of his first
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  Speaker 1: two years, but after this year, you have the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to pay him or at least in the next two
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  Speaker 1: years pay him. So you're not just thinking about right there.
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  Speaker 1: Next season, you're thinking about the year after and the
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  Speaker 1: year after, and you've got to be able to plan
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  Speaker 1: for some of these players that you expect to be
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  Speaker 1: here well, and you've got you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: enough about a You can't predict the future, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't you know, I understand the cap enough to explain it.
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  Speaker 1: But the intricacies of what will happen with Trevor Lawrence's contract,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody can explain it because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't think they know yet how
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  Speaker 1: to be structured. But those quarterback mega deals, which is
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  Speaker 1: what Trevor you assume, will get, get very complicated. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I forget who was on the show at some point,
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  Speaker 1: maybe in Bucky Brooks, who said it he will probably
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  Speaker 1: be a fifty million dollar player. I would think maybe
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  Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, depending on what Joe Burrow and
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  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert get when their contracts are done. This. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So it is a cap situation that they have to
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  Speaker 1: prepare for, and you've got to get it right. And
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  Speaker 1: that's all they're doing. They're not being cheap, they're not
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  Speaker 1: ignoring things. They are trying to get this right for
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  Speaker 1: the long term, so that you can build around this
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and have a successful, functioning franchise for ten or
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  Speaker 1: twelve years. It will be different, and they will and
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  Speaker 1: it will not be as deep a team around Trevor Lawrence.
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  Speaker 1: But when you take the number one overall pick in
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  Speaker 1: the draft, if he works out as a quarterback, you
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  Speaker 1: have to build around that and he has to be
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  Speaker 1: a Mahomes level player at some point for them to
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  Speaker 1: win Super Bowls. Is that fair to put on him?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's the cap reality of how
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  Speaker 1: that thing has to be structured at some point. But
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  Speaker 1: and you look at Mahomes and he had a ten
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  Speaker 1: year contract worth almost a half a billion dollars, right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's sort of a different contract than the
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  Speaker 1: traditional quarterback contract. But I think they have to be well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I was getting at earlier, right, I think
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  Speaker 1: in order to make that work, I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: can be a traditional contract. Okay. So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get a sense though, of two young quarterbacks in the
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  Speaker 1: AFC with Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, who are both
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  Speaker 1: eligible for contract extensions this year, and that will give
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  Speaker 1: us perhaps a clue into how they set this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing up. Let's go back to big thing one briefly,
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  Speaker 1: and that's improvement, and it's something that you just don't
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  Speaker 1: talk about, but young players getting better. Trevor Lawrence, Trayvon Walker, Walker,
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  Speaker 1: Little's obviously going to be a starter. Now. There are
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  Speaker 1: a number of young players on this ris. I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell, Josh Allen. There are plenty of guys who
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  Speaker 1: through coaching through another year in a system which once
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  Speaker 1: the last time you had back to back twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and a lot of these guys weren't here
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  Speaker 1: for that. So you've got the opportunity to coach these guys,
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  Speaker 1: to get these guys through your off season program and improve,
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  Speaker 1: for everyone to improve. Yeah, there's sometimes, very often a difference,
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  Speaker 1: a big difference between what the buzzes around a franchise
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  Speaker 1: and what the reality is inside a franchise. And I
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  Speaker 1: think when you're mentioning this, this is the reality of
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  Speaker 1: how this team can improve. We all like to talk
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  Speaker 1: now because we like shiny objects about free agency and
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  Speaker 1: about getting better during that time and about signing guys,
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  Speaker 1: and you can do it that way, but if you
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  Speaker 1: think about it, they let Juwan Taylor go, well, you
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  Speaker 1: have Walker little on the roster, that's why he's there.
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  Speaker 1: That's why he's there, and that's how you turn into
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  Speaker 1: a draft and developed team. And I'm not saying they
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to draft and developed Juan Taylor, but at
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  Speaker 1: some point you have to make choices on those kind
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  Speaker 1: of those kind of players. It's the same deal when
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  Speaker 1: you drafted Trayvon Walker and Devin Lloyd, who didn't have
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  Speaker 1: on this list, and Chad Muma last year. By definition
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  Speaker 1: NFL people understand, those guys probably aren't going to have
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  Speaker 1: made your impact is rookies. But when you take those
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  Speaker 1: two players in Round one in the second year, this
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  Speaker 1: team has to be built defensively around those guys. The
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  Speaker 1: disruption upfront that we didn't see enough last year. Devin
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  Speaker 1: Lloyd and Trayvon Walker first round players, they need to
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  Speaker 1: be guys that we're all talking about, Oh look at
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  Speaker 1: that defense, look at it improve. That's why draft and developed.
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  Speaker 1: That's where draft and veler comes in. It doesn't often
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  Speaker 1: happens because I think about Trevel Lawrence as a rookie,
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  Speaker 1: I mean many many factors, but they got nothing like
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  Speaker 1: they got in year two. Out of Terrel Lawrence as
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  Speaker 1: a rookie. That same thing has to happen with Lloyd
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  Speaker 1: and Walker or else. The plan that they had for
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  Speaker 1: those guys isn't working as they thought. I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: they can't win, but it means that that's not working
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  Speaker 1: as well as they thought. Year two has to be
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  Speaker 1: those guys year, Lloyd, Walker, Muma Fortner, Right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you just look at all the young guys on both
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  Speaker 1: sides of the ball. It's talented roster. You're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a draft and developed team. You got to improve. That's
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  Speaker 1: when that has to happen. It's in year two, and
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff obviously has a huge hand in getting
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  Speaker 1: that done. All right, those are big things. When we
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  Speaker 1: come back, we'll take a look at the other teams
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  Speaker 1: in the AFC South, what they've got accomplished in what
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  Speaker 1: their big challenges are in the South as we head
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  Speaker 1: towards the draft at the end of April. This is
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  Speaker 1: Jags Drivetime on the Jaguars Digital Network. Roll and ride
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  Speaker 1: along here through Jags Drive Time Brian and John our
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  Speaker 1: broadcast crew. Next week, John will be from Arizona joining
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  Speaker 1: us from the owners meetings and we'll preview that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit here at the end of the show. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the AFC South and John. Each one
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  Speaker 1: of these teams has the very same question right looming
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  Speaker 1: over it. But we'll start with the Colts, and they've
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  Speaker 1: got a new coach, they've got a new quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, and they're looking for another quarterback. In other words,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: the issue for them is who's going to play quarterback
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  Speaker 1: for Shane Steiken in that new offense that he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to build up there. Yeah, and it's to me the Colts.
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  Speaker 1: There's some irony here because they were a franchise that
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  Speaker 1: had been blessed for two decades, basically paid Manning number
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  Speaker 1: one overall Andrew luck number one overall, that never had
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  Speaker 1: a problem with quarterback. When I covered the Colts, obviously
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  Speaker 1: they were a quarterback centric team. They had some Hall
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  Speaker 1: of famers around it, which is why they had sustained excellence.
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  Speaker 1: But they were built on the quarterback. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: say it was easy, but boy, when you have that piece,
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  Speaker 1: everything else sort of falls into place. The reverse has
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  Speaker 1: been true for the last four or five years. Last
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  Speaker 1: year there are roster I don't think it was as
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  Speaker 1: good as it had been in the last probably five
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  Speaker 1: or six years before that. But they showed the NFL
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  Speaker 1: truism right now. They had a good roster for four
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  Speaker 1: or five years and kept trying to find the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: kept trying, And I remember walking around the Colts hallways
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  Speaker 1: when I was there and experienced NFL people saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just remember it's hard to find that guy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and sort of trying to have an awareness of
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  Speaker 1: we are really fortunate to have that guy. Well, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden, they showed you the last four or
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  Speaker 1: five years when you don't, it's just hard to make
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  Speaker 1: it work, and they're so looking for it. Gardner Minshew
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  Speaker 1: Colts would tell you he's going to be the guy now.
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  Speaker 1: He's just bringing the system in, right, He's coming with
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  Speaker 1: Styken to bring the system in. He's Jacoby Brissette was there,
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  Speaker 1: and then Philip Rivers came in, then Carson Wentz, then
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  Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and around them. You mentioned the roster. They
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  Speaker 1: had some receivers. Jonathan Taylor a good authenticive line. We
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  Speaker 1: know they traded for divorce Buckner and you plopped either
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  Speaker 1: of their two quarterbacks from the last twenty years into
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  Speaker 1: that raw roster. They're probably a super Bowl team, but
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have it. And now you hear you hear
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  Speaker 1: talk they're investigating the Lamar Jackson situation or the draft.
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  Speaker 1: To me, their story from a thirty thou view stops
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  Speaker 1: and starts at quarterback. Where are they gonna do it?
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  Speaker 1: What makes sense because of the way that Styken worked
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  Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts last year. I mean, I'm curious what
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  Speaker 1: they do with all those defensive players that they've got.
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  Speaker 1: There's some big numbers over on that side of the bowl,
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  Speaker 1: guys that they've paid at a roster that doesn't appear
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  Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, it's it's always gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous team because they have talent and if they can
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  Speaker 1: put something in the quarterback position to make it work.
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  Speaker 1: They so last year. They were close at times and
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: quarterbay situation became a mess, and they still competed early.
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  Speaker 1: But I think they're dangerous. But until they get that fixed,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're a playoff team. All right. On
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  Speaker 1: to the Titans, who have the same head coach and
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  Speaker 1: apparently the same quarterback to go with the new GM
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Ran Carthon. We've talked on the show a lot about
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: our admiration for Mike Vrabel. And if you need to
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: know anything more about how good Mike Rabel, let's just
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  Speaker 1: go back and look what he did with Josh Dobbs. Here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the final Saturday night of the season,
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  Speaker 1: when they came down and they were ready to play,
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  Speaker 1: despite the fact that they were playing with a guy
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  Speaker 1: who'd been on a practice squad in Detroit a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks earlier. So that coach gets guys ready. But where
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  Speaker 1: where are the Titans? Where's this team? Ryan Tannehill? It
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  Speaker 1: appeared that they were ready to move on from him.
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  Speaker 1: Now it appears they're gonna go with him new offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: They have cut a number of players. They've let a
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Lawan and Ben Jones go from their offensive line.
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  Speaker 1: They released Bud Dupree on the defensive side. They just
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  Speaker 1: seem different. They do. And I always, I always say
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  Speaker 1: with the Titans, especially with Rabel, write them off at
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  Speaker 1: your own risk, because as we saw in that situation,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: this was a beat up team. They still figured out
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  Speaker 1: a way to you know, I think if you remember
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  Speaker 1: the Titans, you probably say we won that game except
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  Speaker 1: for a fluky play at the end. That's how they're
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  Speaker 1: seeing I don't I don't agree with that assessment, but
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  Speaker 1: if I was in their locker room, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: would think. So even with change, you've got to figure
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  Speaker 1: that they are going to go into the season next
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  Speaker 1: year with a plan to be competitive in game no
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: other breaks go their way at the end of games.
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  Speaker 1: But I just don't see them as a team that's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be competitive in games. Here's my question though,
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  Speaker 1: If they're going with Ryan Tannehill, then I assume they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna go with Derrick Henry. He's still in the roster.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't been traded, right, which means you're gonna keep
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  Speaker 1: playing the same style, but you're playing except that you
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  Speaker 1: have to go find four new offensive linemen, right yea.
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  Speaker 1: And has that style translated enough? They've been in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 1: but they haven't gotten anywhere. I mean, ye should they
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  Speaker 1: be going down that same should they be? Well, I'm
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: asking that question now. Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes, as
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a franchise, much like the Colts in the last five
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: or six years, and frankly the Jaguars for a long
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: long time, when you're not in a position to go
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: get a quarterback, can you go get one? And that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: was sort of a weird way of saying that, But
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the Colts for years. I don't think anybody
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the Colts would have told you, and probably the Jaguars
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: in a few of their years would have told you, Yeah,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: we love our quarterback situation, but you're picking ninth and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks are gonna be gone by three and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you can't go trade up. So you've got a guy
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you've got to figure, you know. So maybe that's where
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: the Titans are right now. They probably know the long
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: term it is Tanny Hill a you know, is here's
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: career trajectory going to be Trevor Lawrence and Patrick Mahomes. Well,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: anybody thinks that, but okay, we can't have that. Well
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: what's our best option for right now? I feel like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the Titans are still trying to build for right now,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: trying to win now, and I think with Rabel as
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: your coach, I could see a path if you're the Titans,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: where you think you can go win the AFC South.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: You were incredibly beat up last year, had an awful year,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and you were three minutes away from doing it, So
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you can certainly talk yourself in to believing that you
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: have a chance to go win this division, and you
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: probably do. Now, can you go win a Super Bowl
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: with Ryan Tannehill? I would say probably not. I'd say
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: he's not in the handful of five guys that I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: would say are super Bowl quarterbacks right now. But I
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: don't know that they can go get that anyway, so
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they probably see him right now as their best option.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I understand why they're doing it the way they're doing
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it because they're not in a position to get that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: quarterback last year. But it sure seems like they're not
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: in the right now as much as they are treading
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: water trying to figure out a way to be able
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: to take the assets that they still do have. And
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is still a very powerful back and a
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: guy who can be very productive. Antanna Hill's got a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: big arm. If they can go find a receiver for him,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: big question, right, And I think the Titans would tell
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you too, because Trailon Burke's that guy. They were incredibly
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: beat up half the season, very much so, so I
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: think when they sit in their meetings in January and February,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: they say, look, the chances are we're not going to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: be as beat up. Jacksonville is a good team. Do
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: we see them as a thirteen win team next year?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know how they see the Jaguars, but there's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: we're nine and eight team this year. So I could
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: see how they could say, Okay, we're going to reload
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: it here, know that we can't go get a franchise
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: quarterback and stay with the same formula because they believe
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: they can win that way, and their five year history
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: leading up to this season that show that they could
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: shown they can, so I think that's how they play football,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: all right. So those are the two teams that this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: year we're on top of the AFC South in most
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: everybody's standings pre season. Right This next team is obviously
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the Texans, and they've got a new coach, no quarterback,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: but they have lots of cap space and they have
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a ton of draft picks for the trade of Watson
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: right to Shaun Watson to the Cleveland Browns. And you
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: know they're sitting there at the number two spots. So
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if they like one of those quarterbacks and you get
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the sense they're gonna take one no matter what, because
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: they got to start, you've got to figure they're gonna
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: take a quarterback, and so that puts them in the situation.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I can't compare to the Jaguars right now, because the
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Jaguars had a quarterback that everybody believed was generational. Didn't
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: play like it as his rookie year, but that was
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the belief. From what you hear about the quarterbacks in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this year's draft not a generational quarterback draft, so perhaps
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the expectations aren't quite the same. It feels more like
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: a Jamis Winston Marcus Mariota type draft, where you've got
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: guys that you think you hope but that you don't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: really know for sure, and you never know for sure
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the quarterback. But it's not the same as a Trevor
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Lawrence draft. So they will be coming at you hard
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: with young players, young drafted players, a lot of free
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: agents rebuilt. I'm sure their media guide and their signage
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: next year will have mottos about new generations and we'll
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: see if they can get it done. It would you
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: be tempted at all to wait on the quarterback position
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: if there's such Look, for instance, right you have a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: quarterback in Jacksonville that you've got to line up and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: beat twice a year. If if the Anderson kid from
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Alabama right is the best pass rusher in the draft,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and you're not sure about the quarterback. Knowing that with
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Damika Ryan, you're just getting started. It's not about this year.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It might even be about next year. There are some
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks available next year. Might you be tempted to take
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the pass rusher. You're tempted. But this is a sort
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of a copycat league in both directions. The Jaguars sort
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: of did that in the early part of last decade
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: when Caldwell and Bradley came in and they waited the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: first year, they didn't go get it, and then they
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: went after Boardles and that went as it did. It's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Typically people talk about waiting and being patient.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Are they really patient in reality? Yeah? No, I totally
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: get it. You follow me. So, I think in theory,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, Dave and Guss sort of went theoretical with
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: some of their build it. You know, they got the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game. I think most people around the league
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: would look at that and say that build didn't work.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So you're gonna follow that theoretical model, you know. And
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I'm getting a little out there on that, but it's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: tough when you're actually the GM and you're actually the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: coat to say, hey, we're gonna wait until next year,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: because you got a season staring down your face, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that season's real. I think when you look at the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: AFC South and through the lens of the quarterback position,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: a couple years ago, Deshaun Watson was a riser. Now
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: he's in Cleveland. Ryan Tannehill appears to be closer to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the end than where he was. And obviously since Andrew Luck,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: they haven't been able to find the quarterback. You're you're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: in the catbird seat in the AFC South because of
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: your quarterback. Yeah, and so much can change. And you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: if the Colts indeed go get Lamar Jackson and the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Texans signed the right guy and maybe by a week
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: eight or not signed the right guy, draft the right guy,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: maybe by a week eight, we're talking different. Right now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it looks very unsettled except for the jack Ords. All right,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we'll take a break. When we come back, take a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: snapshot of what John is seeing in the ozone mail bag.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Here on Jack's Drive Time, and welcome back to Jacks
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Drive Time. Let's start with Tim from Fernandina Beach. In
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the ozone snapshot, he writes, all the Winders who want
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: us to resign everyone, sign all free agents and trade
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: for everyone should ponder the Los Angeles Rams, how is
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that working out for them? Down? Well? And you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we could have an entire show based on this topic. Yeah,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: m picks? Right, what's that f them? Picks? Wasn't that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the T shirt? Yeah? Right? That's uh. And it depends
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: on what side you come down on. You can you
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: can laugh at the Rams because they're tearing it down
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: right now, but they have rings and so was it
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a bad move? Good move? Well, it was a calculator
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was a darn good move when that confetti was falling?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And that matters. So the thing you want, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you can say, go do that, and it's easy to say, uh,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But going and doing it how the Rams did it
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee you a Super Bowl. If it did, everybody
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: would do it. So it again comes back to how
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: you feel about things, what's your risk tolerance? And it
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: also comes back to even with the Rams, within the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: context of their aggressive approach, they made moves that worked.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: They got the breaks at the end of that season
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and they went and won it. That doesn't work for everybody.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's how they approach it. You can also win other ways.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: You can win it in more sustainable ways. They chose
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that way and it worked for him, but you could
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: go again. You could have a million NFL shows talking
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: about this one topic and you're always going to have
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: a great debate on either side. Well, and remember a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: conversation we have with Trent Bulky at the end of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the year. When it comes to the salary cap, it's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: more about cash. Cash gives you flexibility, and with the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: kind of cash they throw off in Southern California, sure
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: they'll take a step back for a year or two.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: It's with the realign. And I think from the Rams perspective,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it was critical for them in that huge market where
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: they're no matter what it looks like on TV, they're
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: not the most popular team. It was critical they do
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: for them and talking to media around that team, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to dictate how they approach roster
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: building the entire time they're there, and different may not
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: believe that that city will support long rebuilds, is the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: general feeling, and they want stars, they want success, So
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how that goes because I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: sense that the approach they took to get this one
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: probably won't be the last time they do that. Who
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: knows that it came from you right on. I think
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting dichotomy because in Jacksonville, UM,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: you don't have the cash that they have. I mean
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they get forty million dollars a year for the naming
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: rights and and here you know it's four five millions.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: So the cash that they've got to be able to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: overcome that. But what they also don't have that the Jaguars.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Do you build this thing? You feel your stadium every
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon because it's the only game in town. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I had a cab driver when I was out there
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: for a pro day at USC one say, oh no,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the Rams. I mean they're like six or seventh when
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: they're good. You know, we start factoring in the Dodgers
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and the Lakers and USC and UCLA and all those things.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So different approach. The Jaguars approaches gotta have to be
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: build and build and build and build and sustained it
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: all right? How about Howard from Homestead? Because children who
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: got their Christmas presidents early should not complain about a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Bear Tree on Christmas Day hashtag Ridley. Yeah, And I
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think it's a pretty short answer. Say what you want
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: about what they're not doing this offseason, but Calvin Ridley
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: is an addition and he's an improvement, and I think
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: within the context of that too, he's an eleven million
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: dollars cap head. I think, you know, had they not
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: gone and gotten Ridley and had him as mndaws on
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the cap, then yeah, there's a chance they would have
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: probably gone and tried to figure something else out to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: quote have the outside improvement. But Calvin Ridley is a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: major addition to this franchise and was a necessary and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can underestimate the foresight of that move,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: considering that there has not been a lot of movement
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and action. I don't think you could have waited and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: tried to go get that level of contribution and free
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: agency it wasn't going to be out there. So my
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: hashtag for this would be delayed gratification because when they
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: did it last yeah, it would be long last October.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, yeah, well we gotta wait on it. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: now here you are, at the start of free agency,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, we're still waiting on it. It'll be
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: worth it when it finally shows up. Yeah, and so yes,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: good point. Harrod from homes All right, Rusty from New Iberia, Louisiana,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you have said you always overpay in free agency. If so,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: how was it ever possible to resign your own guys.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It seems like there will always be some other team
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: willing to overspend. Well, it's fair point, and probably within
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the context of phrase. You know you always over paying
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: free agency, you always ould pay your own guys too.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: The difference is when you pay your own guys, you
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: know exactly what you're paying for. Your risk is much
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: much lower than when you pay somebody else's guy, because
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know what you're getting, you know how they fit,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you know their work ethic, you know how they approach
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the game, so you overpay everything. In this league, the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: idea is to resign your own to keep a core
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and to know what you're resigning. You can't keep everybody, right,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and we just saw that, and the system is designed
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: so that you don't get to keep everybody, and the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Jaguars are going to see some of that through the
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: next couple of years. So you'll overpay to keep the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: guys you want, and some guys will go because they're
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: overpaid by other teams. That's just the system, especially when
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you have the quarterback. This is designed to let guys
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: hit free agency. I hated to see Juwan Taylor go
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: after the year that he had, but that's why you
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: drafted Walker Little. I mean, that's that's exactly the reason.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: He's here, not to be a swing tackle, not to
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: replace Cam in two years, but to be able to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: replace so that you can let you one walk and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: keep Evan Ingram and keep some of your core guys around.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: You've got to let people walk. Eventually, you have to
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: let some guys go. And if you think about it,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a fairly seen not the same situation. But let arden keyGo.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: What you drafted last year is supposed to come along
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and replace the improvement, and that's where it happens. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and Caleb and Chason is a guy that people have
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: all but forgotten about, and he hasn't done a lot
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: to earn people mentioning him. But maybe you get some
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: improvement from him, and he learned something from arden Key
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and can slide into that role and give you something.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: And then of course next year he'll be ready for
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: free agency, and yeah, I gotta let him go right.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Get used to this because it's you know, I think
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: they're going If things go right for this franchise, there
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: are going to be more subtractions in the offseasons. It's
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the way in additions at this time of year. Look
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: at the Steelers as well as the Colts and some
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of those teams in the way that they've done it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back and wrap up Jags drive time
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: here from Tia bank Field right after this. All right,
• 32:16
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• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I foreshadowed, you will be in Arizona and we will
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: do this program live and you will be covering what
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: stories we will have talked On Monday morning to Jaguar's
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: head coach Doug Peterson. There's an AFC Coach's Breakfast where
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the media talks to different coaches, so that's usually a
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: good spot to sort of get updated. You have the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: combine and you have the owners meetings, and you have
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the draft. This is sort of the second tier of
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: getting to talk to the head coach about some of
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the topics that I'm sure he'll He'll discuss free agency,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: approach and thoughts going forward. So and then I'll be
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: talking to Jaguar's owner's shod Con on Tuesday, which we
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: won't talk about on Drivetime, but that's something to watch
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: because Shot I'll be talking about the season and different
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: things going on right the franchise. It's always good looking
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: forward to it. John, thanks so much, and to all
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of our broadcast Grew appreciates your assistant this morning. Have
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a wonderful day in a great week. We'll talk to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you next week on Jags Ride Time.