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The Kenny Report | 29 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Love from the Skoing New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Danikiti Giorgio filling in this week for Chris Kenny. Tonight,
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  Speaker 4: the Reunited Coalition gets back to work. I'll explain why
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  Speaker 4: they need to move swiftly on energy policy. More trouble
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  Speaker 4: for Trump's tariffs after they were struck down by a
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  Speaker 4: US court and two transgender players banned from competing in
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  Speaker 4: a Victorian netball league. Well, it's day one of the
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  Speaker 4: Reunited Coalition and a new look opposition. Liberal leader Susan
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  Speaker 4: Lee wasted no time. She was out doing the breakfast
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  Speaker 4: TV rounds today selling her shadow cabinet and a united Party.
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  Speaker 5: Every single one of the fifty four members of my
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  Speaker 5: party room is so keen to get back to work
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  Speaker 5: for the Australian people.
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  Speaker 6: I spoke to every one of.
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  Speaker 5: The fifty four in the lineup about the role that
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  Speaker 5: we all need to play because our job is to
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  Speaker 5: take the fight up to labor.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, the party might be united on face value, but
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  Speaker 4: the real challenge begins as of today for Susan Lee,
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  Speaker 4: and it's not going to be easy. She has to
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  Speaker 4: unite the opposition while it's split down the middle on
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  Speaker 4: energy policy. And make no mistake, this is a coalition
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  Speaker 4: that needs to get its act together quick on policy,
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  Speaker 4: especially energy, if it's to have any chance of success
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  Speaker 4: at the next election. And pressure is already mounting from
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  Speaker 4: the Nationals, with some calling to dump net zero by
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  Speaker 4: twenty fifty and pull out of the Paris Agreement. Now
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  Speaker 4: net zero is unachievable. The warnings are there. Experts say
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  Speaker 4: Australia will fall short of its twenty thirty target, Yet
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  Speaker 4: Labor keeps us on this renewables only carpet ride, which
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  Speaker 4: is sending US broke and backwards.
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  Speaker 3: And to make matters worse, it.
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  Speaker 4: Now wants to double down on twenty thirty five targets.
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  Speaker 4: But the Paris Agreement is so irrelevant to us In
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  Speaker 4: Australia as a country, we emitt one percent of the
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  Speaker 4: world's greenhouse gases, yet we sell coal and gas to
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  Speaker 4: India and China, two of the world's biggest emitters, and
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  Speaker 4: two countries not even signed up to net zero by
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  Speaker 4: twenty fifty themselves. Susan Lee appears at least to be
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  Speaker 4: leaving the door open for change.
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  Speaker 5: The agreement with the Nationals was that we would as
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  Speaker 5: a first step, announce as one of the policies we
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  Speaker 5: have jointly as a coalition to remove the moratorium. There's
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  Speaker 5: plenty of work to be done in terms of nuclear
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  Speaker 5: energy policy more.
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  Speaker 6: Broadly after that.
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  Speaker 5: That's a good starting point, but we'll take the time
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  Speaker 5: to get this right, will work through the issues.
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  Speaker 3: But of course the question is how far will she go.
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  Speaker 4: Moderates now dominate the new Look leadership team, and Susan
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  Speaker 4: Lee's refusal to commit to a serious position on net
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  Speaker 4: zero right now shows.
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  Speaker 3: How split the party is because.
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  Speaker 4: The Nationals, many of whom want net zero twenty to
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  Speaker 4: fifty gone.
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  Speaker 7: We've made it clear that we are going to discuss
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  Speaker 7: our position on net zero. Our room wants to have
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  Speaker 7: that discussion. We want to make sure it's an informed one.
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  Speaker 8: That will be something that we are certainly going to
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  Speaker 8: be taking up in our party room. I've been facing
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  Speaker 8: the pain, and I mean pain of the people in
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  Speaker 8: my electorate who have just become the useful idiots under
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  Speaker 8: Jacinta Allen and Labour's federal aggressive policies for a rush
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  Speaker 8: to renewables.
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  Speaker 9: Zero is disastrous for our nation. Let's fight it.
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  Speaker 4: Now, these calls won't go down well with moderate Liberals,
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  Speaker 4: who form part of the new shadow cabinet. The Liberals,
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  Speaker 4: of course want to win back inner city seats from
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  Speaker 4: TiAl independents, and dropping emission's targets won't bode well with
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  Speaker 4: electorates who voted for climate action. One Liberal MP even
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  Speaker 4: told The Australian it's a very dangerous debate for us
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  Speaker 4: to be having tell me a seat we would have
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  Speaker 4: won if we had net zero. Susan Lee and David
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  Speaker 4: little Proud are on the same page, but the question
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  Speaker 4: is what capacity do they have to control their people,
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  Speaker 4: especially David. It's not it's not easy rather to infer
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  Speaker 4: that that source was talking about the likes of Barnaby
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  Speaker 4: Joyce and Matt Canavan, especially as they both about to
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  Speaker 4: actively push back against net zero from the backbench, but
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  Speaker 4: it certainly hasn't gone unnoticed from Liberal moderates. I am
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  Speaker 4: personally optimistic that we will continue to observe the net
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  Speaker 4: zero goal. It is important for an electorate like mine,
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  Speaker 4: where environment is very highly valued, but more importantly, it's
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  Speaker 4: very important in the minds of the people in Australia's
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  Speaker 4: metropolitan seats. There are eighty eight of them, and my
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  Speaker 4: side of politics only now holds eight, and so we
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  Speaker 4: must be very focused on the aspirations and perspectives of
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  Speaker 4: metropolitan Australia in rebuilding our policy platform towards twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 4: Will later on in the show with Zoe McKenzie. But internally,
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  Speaker 4: conservatives within the Liberal Party are still agitating for change.
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  Speaker 10: The question of net zero Again, that's a straight jacket
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  Speaker 10: that I'm already getting out of. The real question is
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  Speaker 10: should Australian families and businesses be paying more for their electricity?
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  Speaker 4: And look, the challenge is big a climate mix with
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  Speaker 4: an omission's target and including nuclear that allows inner city
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  Speaker 4: MPs to appease their constituents, but also one that protects
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  Speaker 4: farmers and the regions. But the reality is sitting on
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  Speaker 4: the fence doesn't cut it anymore. In conservative politics, labor
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  Speaker 4: light does not win elections.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen it. If you don't go big and bold,
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  Speaker 3: you lose.
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  Speaker 4: And already the Coalition is behind the world as conservative parties,
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  Speaker 4: including the US and even in New Zealand are moving
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  Speaker 4: away from net zero, while countries like Switzerland, Belgium and
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  Speaker 4: Denmark are rethinking their nuclear energy strategy. The problem for
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  Speaker 4: the Liberals is they still don't know who they are
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  Speaker 4: and what they actually stand for. While Susan Lee has
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  Speaker 4: agreed to the Nationals demands on nuclear, the policy was
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  Speaker 4: certainly not prosecuted enough during the election campaign. It was
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  Speaker 4: buried and mentioned more times by Labour than the coalition themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Peter Dunton even said in the days before the poll
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  Speaker 4: that the policy was just too far away therefore made
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  Speaker 4: an excuse not to talk about it. Where was the
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  Speaker 4: courage and where was the conviction then? And let that
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  Speaker 4: be a lesson to this new shadow cabinet or face years.
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  Speaker 3: In the wilderness sh well.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump's plans to impose worldwide tariffs have hit another
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  Speaker 4: fork in the road. A federal trade court has ruled
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  Speaker 4: that the US president did not have the authority to
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  Speaker 4: impose tariffs on virtually every nation and have now voided
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  Speaker 4: the levies. It means the tariff slapped on Australia are unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 4: Now this is a major setback for Trump, who imposed
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  Speaker 4: these tariffs as part of a key executive order, including
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  Speaker 4: to US a.
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  Speaker 3: So called friend and ally.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the first major legal challenge against the
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  Speaker 4: tariffs that have, as we know, sparked a global trade
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  Speaker 4: war and have threatened to upend the global economy. In
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  Speaker 4: its decision, the Court of International Trade even went as
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  Speaker 4: far as to say that Donald Trump overreached his authority.
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  Speaker 4: Now Trump's already appealed, and we know Trump gets what
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  Speaker 4: Trump wants, so it's not naive to assume that the
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  Speaker 4: Court's decision may be thrown out. But the markets here
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  Speaker 4: have already reacted strongly to this decision, with the ASX
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  Speaker 4: two hundred up this morning. The US President punished the
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  Speaker 4: world with these tariffs. They are punitive and Australia has
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  Speaker 4: every right to be angry at being slapped with a
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  Speaker 4: twenty five percent tariff on steel, aluminium, automobiles, light trucks
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  Speaker 4: and certain automotive parts. And now we wait to hear
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  Speaker 4: the outcome of the appeal and what it means for
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  Speaker 4: us down under. But this latest court decision does not
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  Speaker 4: change the fact that we in Australia must learn from
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  Speaker 4: Trump's move to bolster local manufacturing through the Levy decision.
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  Speaker 3: The tariffs have.
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  Speaker 4: More than ever reminded Australia that we must secure our
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  Speaker 4: own future more than ever, regardless of whether they are
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  Speaker 4: or not, they are unconstitutional, and not just in terms
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  Speaker 4: of manufacturing, but I'm talking other areas as well, like defense. Now,
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  Speaker 4: the Trump administration has already urged Australia to lift defense
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  Speaker 4: spending to combat China, and in your report out today
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  Speaker 4: has been scathing of Labour's failure to shore up our
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  Speaker 4: military capabilities. The report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute
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  Speaker 4: says Labour's business as usual defense budget will leave Australia
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  Speaker 4: with a paper ADF that is ill prepared for near
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  Speaker 4: term conflict. It says the prioritization of long term defense
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  Speaker 4: programs such as ORCA has come at the expense of
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  Speaker 4: present day readiness, leaving a hollowed out force with limited
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  Speaker 4: munition stockpiles and a shortage of critical capabilities, including missile
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  Speaker 4: defense systems and long range weapons. And look, we can
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  Speaker 4: hardly be surprised here, Labor has left us more exposed
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  Speaker 4: than ever. China, of course, recently conducted live fire exercises
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  Speaker 4: off our coast without warning, and Labor had no idea
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  Speaker 4: about it, and they wouldn't have known had it not
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  Speaker 4: been for the Virgin Australia pilots who alerted authorities.
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  Speaker 3: Even New Zealand had to send its frigates to help us.
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  Speaker 4: There have been several defense near missus with Beijing in
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  Speaker 4: recent years. We've of course wasted billions of dollars on
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  Speaker 4: equipment that does not work. Labour's budget left defense spending
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  Speaker 4: languishing at about two percent of GDP. It's wiped out
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  Speaker 4: funding for more than five thousand soldiers, sailors and aviators
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  Speaker 4: as a way to sort of offset years of failure
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  Speaker 4: to try and meet recruitment targets. And this report warns
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  Speaker 4: that the failure of this year budget to meet that
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  Speaker 4: responsibility will make all Australians less secure. It says, while
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  Speaker 4: consistency can often be a virtue, it.
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  Speaker 3: Reveals a business as usual approach to a world now
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  Speaker 3: in crisis and conflict.
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  Speaker 11: With the world as dangerous as it is so many
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  Speaker 11: national security threats, there is a risk that we have
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  Speaker 11: a gap. In the short term, there are tensions. If
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  Speaker 11: there is conflict, countries around the world will look to
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  Speaker 11: themselves first, and areas like mass produced drones, counter drones ammunition.
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  Speaker 3: We can't be.
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  Speaker 11: Second, third, fourth, fifth in the queue.
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  Speaker 4: And yet have a listen to this from the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 4: He'll tell us there's nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 12: Apparently, Well that's what they do, isn't it ask to be?
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  Speaker 12: I mean, seriously, they need to I think have a
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  Speaker 12: look at themselves as well and the way that they
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  Speaker 12: conduct themselves and debates. We've had a defense strategic review,
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  Speaker 12: We've got considerable additional investment going into defense, ten billion dollars.
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  Speaker 12: We're lifting up our defense expenditure up to two point
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  Speaker 12: four percent of GDP.
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  Speaker 11: Our report is saying that's good, that's necessary to have
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  Speaker 11: those long term spends like AUCA submarines. But right now
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  Speaker 11: this year, the spend in twenty twenty five, twenty six
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  Speaker 11: we two point zero five percent. That is very similar
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  Speaker 11: to what was projected eight ten years ago.
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  Speaker 4: And all the PM can say basically as well, she'll
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  Speaker 4: be right, and it confirms we have not at all
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  Speaker 4: been looking after our own backyard. We are more exposed
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  Speaker 4: than ever militarily, economically, and when it comes to local manufacturing,
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  Speaker 4: there are no backups.
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  Speaker 3: And the court's.
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  Speaker 4: Decision today on Trump's tariffs show how we are hamstrung
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  Speaker 4: at the toing and throwing of international politics. America is
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  Speaker 4: a manufacturing nation. Australia used to be. Now we sit
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  Speaker 4: here on the other side of the world with bait
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  Speaker 4: and breath for decisions about our few to be made.
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  Speaker 3: Over there in every way.
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  Speaker 4: Joining me now is National Senate Leader Bridget Mackenzie. It's
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  Speaker 4: nice to catch up with your Bridget. Thank you very
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  Speaker 4: much for joining me on the show this evening. I
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  Speaker 4: want to start with net zero twenty fifty because it
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  Speaker 4: really seems as though it is splitting the coalition. The
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  Speaker 4: Liberals and Nationals have different positions on this. Your colleague
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  Speaker 4: Barnaby Joyce has been quite vocal the Liberals want to
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  Speaker 4: win back a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of till seats. How do you think the Coalition is
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  Speaker 3: going to navigate this target?
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  Speaker 13: It were great to be back with you, Denika.
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  Speaker 7: I think we've made it really clear as a National
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  Speaker 7: Party that we're prepared to have the conversation. We're actually
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  Speaker 7: dealing with the social, economic and environmental impacts of how.
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  Speaker 13: Net zero by twenty fifty is.
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  Speaker 7: Being rolled out in our communities by state and federal
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  Speaker 7: labor governments and it's having a significant impact. So we
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  Speaker 7: want to have a conversation about that and determine our.
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  Speaker 13: Position going forward.
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  Speaker 7: We care for the environment, we love our local communities,
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  Speaker 7: and we want to have a well informed debate and
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  Speaker 7: discussion about this as a party room. So I'm not
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  Speaker 7: going to preempt those discussions. They need to be had
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  Speaker 7: in the sanctity of our room with the data available
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  Speaker 7: to us overcoming weeks and months, and we're prepared to
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  Speaker 7: have that conversation. What the Liberal Party does is up
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  Speaker 7: to them. They have a different constituency, they've had different
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  Speaker 7: electoral impacts than we have, and so they need the
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  Speaker 7: space to do what they need to do. But for
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  Speaker 7: the National Party, we've been really clear that this is
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  Speaker 7: something we want to discuss and I'm looking forward to
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  Speaker 7: those discussions. We've got a diversity of views within our room,
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  Speaker 7: but I know each and every National Party MP and
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  Speaker 7: senator will come to that discussion with the national interest
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  Speaker 7: at heart.
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  Speaker 13: As well, and that's something to be aware of.
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  Speaker 4: But you're also now apparently a united coalition. If you
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  Speaker 4: can't come to an agreement on this, you've already split once.
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  Speaker 3: Who's to say you won't do it again.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I think it was pretty paramount for us as
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  Speaker 7: a party to.
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  Speaker 13: Make sure the Liberals would commit to.
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  Speaker 7: The four policy wins we'd had in the last parliament.
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  Speaker 7: Making sure if you live in the regions, you can
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  Speaker 7: make a phone call to an emergency service provider, or
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  Speaker 7: indeed run your own business, or access telehealth and education
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  Speaker 7: opportunities like people in the city can through mobile and
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  Speaker 7: digital proms.
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  Speaker 13: Use the backyard full of a uranium.
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  Speaker 7: To make sure that we've got a nuclear energy production
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  Speaker 7: in coming decades as we head into the next century.
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  Speaker 13: To keep jobs on shore, exactly the type of jobs
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  Speaker 13: you were.
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  Speaker 7: Talking about in your opening remarks. Make sure that if supermarkets.
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  Speaker 13: Behave badly, we have powers to break them up.
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  Speaker 7: And I think importantly, particularly in the conversation around transition
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  Speaker 7: and impact, that the twenty billion dollar Regional Futures Fund
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  Speaker 7: remains intact now. They were hard fought wins in the
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  Speaker 7: last coalition opposition and we weren't prepared to turn our
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  Speaker 7: back on those and I think that was the right decision.
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  Speaker 7: Now the Liberal Party have agreed that they remain coalition policy, fantastic.
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  Speaker 7: We're both going to have separate conversations about net zero.
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  Speaker 7: We've made our you know, you know, commitment to do
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  Speaker 7: that clear you know what happens as a result of that.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think we want to preempt those discussions for
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  Speaker 7: either of us.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Look, I understand that.
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  Speaker 4: It just it seems though that there's going to be
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  Speaker 4: a lot of policy split. You've got a number of
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  Speaker 4: moderates in the party, in the Liberal Party who don't
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  Speaker 4: want it gone.
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  Speaker 3: The nationals are really agitating for it.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I say, you've already split once. Who's
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  Speaker 4: not to say you won't do it again. But look,
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  Speaker 4: I want to ask you Bridget McKenzie about Environment Minister
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  Speaker 4: Murray what he's given the long awaited environmental approval for
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  Speaker 4: the Northwest Shelf project to be extended beyond twenty thirty.
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  Speaker 3: You must be pleased with that decision, I am.
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  Speaker 7: But you know, like all the people that have been
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  Speaker 7: working in this project and hope to work in this project,
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  Speaker 7: you know over the coming decade.
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  Speaker 13: Why the weight? Why the weight?
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  Speaker 7: And you can really only say that it was the
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  Speaker 7: former minister Tania Plibersec and the Labor Party more broadly
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  Speaker 7: who were prepared to pay politics with the approval of
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  Speaker 7: this project. The state Labor government had ticked it off
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  Speaker 7: after an extensive approval process that we all need to
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  Speaker 7: have confidence with these approval processes. So it's good enough
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  Speaker 7: for the Labor Party in wa to ticket off. I
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  Speaker 7: don't understand why it took so long for the Federal
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  Speaker 7: Labor Party to ticket off other than the need to
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  Speaker 7: win seats in capital cities against the Greens. And I
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  Speaker 7: think that really points to politics over actual policy approvals
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  Speaker 7: in the national interest. So thankfully they've finally come to
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  Speaker 7: the table, but it shouldn't have taken an election to
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  Speaker 7: get them there.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I mean, and also you know a number
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  Speaker 4: of other projects that Labor has recently, environmental projects at
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  Speaker 4: Labour's recently said no to. And you know, we're just
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  Speaker 4: talking about manufacturing just a moment ago, Bridget mackenzie.
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  Speaker 3: What it's actually doing is.
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  Speaker 4: Stopping people from getting jobs and stifling local manufacturing.
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  Speaker 13: One hundred percent. I couldn't agree with you more.
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  Speaker 7: If we want to stay in industrialized country, if we
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  Speaker 7: want to make sure we've got smelters and refineries and
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  Speaker 7: modern manufacturing plants here on shore, then you're going to
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  Speaker 7: have to make sure we have access to resources to
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  Speaker 7: power energy, and that means getting the stuff out of
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  Speaker 7: the ground and into the grid. We also need to
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  Speaker 7: make sure that exporting it around the globe funds our
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  Speaker 7: healthcare system, our public education system, the ABC Heaven help Asthetica,
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  Speaker 7: but other services right around the country. So these aren't
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  Speaker 7: insignificant projects. And if you look at the pipeline of
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  Speaker 7: projects coming on board to really fund and power us
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  Speaker 7: in coming decades, it's a thinning group of projects. So
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  Speaker 7: I think the Labor Party, if they really care about
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  Speaker 7: the future of our country, need to approve more projects,
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  Speaker 7: not less. We have tough environmental laws, we need to
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  Speaker 7: use them, have confidence in them and get these projects approved.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, or just we risk our future industrially. As you said,
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  Speaker 4: Bridget McKenzie, it's been nice to chat with you again.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much for joining me on the show
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  Speaker 4: this evening. Really appreciate it. Well, let's head to Israel
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  Speaker 4: now and catch up with Joel Bernie from the Australia
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  Speaker 4: Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. Joel, thank you so much
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  Speaker 4: for joining me from over there.
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  Speaker 13: I want to.
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  Speaker 3: Start with the President of Israel.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: He wants Prime Minister Anthony Alban easy to come over,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: to come to the country and finally sit down and
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: have long awaited talks. What are the chances do you
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: think of the Prime Minister taking up his offer? I mean,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I know we spoke to Chris Kenny from Israel last
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: night on the show, and he said that the Prime
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Minister's recent strong rhetoric against Israel has has reached the
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: country and people are simply not happy. But why do
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: you think that the president wants to have these conversations still, well.
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: Thank you very much for having me, Denika.
• 19:27
  Speaker 14: I'm here on the northern border in Israel in a place,
• 19:30
  Speaker 14: beautiful place called Matula in amongst the destruction impacted by
• 19:34
  Speaker 14: Klesbola over the past twenty months, or with Lebanon. A
• 19:39
  Speaker 14: very interesting question that you've got about the meeting with
• 19:42
  Speaker 14: the president yesterday is reported by Paul Kelly and The Australian.
• 19:46
  Speaker 14: The invitations out there the President of Israel as in
• 19:49
  Speaker 14: Viten to Prime Minister to come and visit here, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 14: the question is what type of benefit would that do.
• 19:54
  Speaker 14: So we've had the recent comments by the Prime Minister
• 19:57
  Speaker 14: which again continue the perceive one sided criticism of what
• 20:02
  Speaker 14: used to be a very close friend of Australia's and
• 20:06
  Speaker 14: essentially what the President is saying that if you are
• 20:08
  Speaker 14: so concerned about what is going on here, how about
• 20:10
  Speaker 14: you come here and you visit instead of you know,
• 20:14
  Speaker 14: throwing mud or criticizing through words. How about you come
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: here with your actions, see how things are going, see
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: what's happening on the ground here, and come up with
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: practical solutions.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: So I think that the invitation is a good one, but.
• 20:27
  Speaker 14: I dare say that I highly doubt that the Prime
• 20:30
  Speaker 14: Minister has it on his plans to come visit here
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: anytime soon.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a real shame that he hasn't yet, you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I just think it's a disgrace. I mean, Israel has
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: always been a key ally of Australia for a very
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: very long time, and it's all right for the Prime
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Minister to stand in Australia and play politics on this issue.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: But I think it would be worthwhile going over there
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and trying to make peace after what's been a disastrous
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: year and a half with Labour's rhetoric. Now, look, speaking
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: of Joel, it's been six hundred day since some mass's
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: attack on October seventh, in twenty twenty three, another milestone,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Another milestone passes. Yet there's still a number of hostages
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: being held, but there's been a rally in Tel Aviv
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to support those who are still being held hostage.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Tell us about it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 14: Well, look, the country here is very much united in
• 21:19
  Speaker 14: the need to get the hostages back. Six hundred days,
• 21:23
  Speaker 14: as you said, it's an awfully long time to be
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: held in a dark dungeon underneath some tunnel system in Gaza,
• 21:31
  Speaker 14: with little access to any type of food, water and
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: essential needs.
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: The country needs to heal and the country needs.
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: Not all hostages back, not just the live hostages, but
• 21:43
  Speaker 14: also the body. Six hundred days is such an awful
• 21:45
  Speaker 14: period of time and this country is in deep need for.
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: The return of the hostages.
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: There appears to be some positive, potential, positive development on
• 21:55
  Speaker 14: a new temporary ceasefire which would allow for the.
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: Release of some hostages.
• 22:01
  Speaker 14: There is quite a lot of chatter happening about that,
• 22:03
  Speaker 14: and you could imagine that the interest of the Israeli
• 22:05
  Speaker 14: public is listening intently on the developments over the next
• 22:09
  Speaker 14: twenty four to forty eight hours, with the hope that
• 22:11
  Speaker 14: at least some of those hostages will be returned to
• 22:15
  Speaker 14: Israel shortly.
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: But it's captivating the public here, Danika.
• 22:18
  Speaker 14: There's no doubt that everyone here in the streets is
• 22:22
  Speaker 14: in their yellow colors and solidarity.
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: With the hostages.
• 22:26
  Speaker 14: And look, at the end of the day, we hear
• 22:29
  Speaker 14: these comments from the Prime Minister, we hear these comments
• 22:32
  Speaker 14: from other.
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: So called allies of Israel.
• 22:35
  Speaker 14: All of this conflict could come to an end, Aneka,
• 22:38
  Speaker 14: if come Us would lay down their arms and hand
• 22:40
  Speaker 14: over the over the hostages. It's a simple demand to
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: ask of them. Instead of criticizing Israel, we should.
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: Be working together with all of our.
• 22:48
  Speaker 14: Allies just to do those two simple things, the immediate
• 22:51
  Speaker 14: and unconditional release of the hostages as well as Commas
• 22:54
  Speaker 14: laying down their arms.
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: That will bring an end, an immediate end to this war.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And the problem right now is you've got Western nations.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: We've got Australia, the UK. The focus is always on
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: criticizing Israel.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: The focus should be on Hummus, as it should have
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: been from the very beginning when they started this war.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: And that is the problem. Joe, Bernie, good to speak
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: with you. Thanks so much for your time this evening.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Really appreciate it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Coming up after the break, more trouble for Trump's tariffs
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: after they were struck down by a US court, I'll
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: speak with former Foreign Minister Alexander down A next.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: Well.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: As I mentioned earlier in the show.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: There's been a major development in the United States with
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump's tariffs blocked by the nation's Court of International Trade.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Lawyers for the Trump administration have notified the court that
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: they will appeal this decision, but it's left the tariffs
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: in limbo. Joining me now is former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. Alexander,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining me on the show.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: What does this mean essentially for the tariffs because they've
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: actually been deemed unconstitutional.
• 23:58
  Speaker 15: Right, so will put on hold the tariffs as the
• 24:04
  Speaker 15: administration goes to the Federal Court of Appeal, and depending
• 24:08
  Speaker 15: on the outcome of the appeal court hearing, they could
• 24:12
  Speaker 15: go to the Supreme Court. So it could take a
• 24:14
  Speaker 15: little bit of time. But frankly, I think it's good
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: news because the president should only under the under American law,
• 24:23
  Speaker 15: be able to impose tariffs without congressional approval in an
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: emergency situation. And to claim that because the US has
• 24:33
  Speaker 15: a trade deficit with a range of countries that's an
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: emergency situation is a bit far fetched, particularly by the way,
• 24:41
  Speaker 15: as they don't have a trade deficit with all countries
• 24:45
  Speaker 15: including Australia. They have a trade surplus with us.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Well, no, absolutely, and I mean obviously we had tariffs
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: put on hold here in Australia, so we had a
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: tariffs put on us here in Australia.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: So we'll be waiting to see what happens.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Do you think that the Trump administration would those see
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: this as a setback?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Is it a setback for them?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: This was an executive order that Donald Trump was very
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: adamant on.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 15: I mean, it is a setback for the administration, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: above all, it's a set back for Donald Trump because
• 25:15
  Speaker 15: he's a great believer in tariffs. And as you can
• 25:19
  Speaker 15: tell from my tone, although I'm not particularly an opponent
• 25:22
  Speaker 15: of President Trump, i think he's wrong on tariffs. So
• 25:27
  Speaker 15: I'm delighted that this court has put a halt to
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: these tariffs. I mean, of course the President could go
• 25:35
  Speaker 15: to the Congress and ask for congressional support. That would
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: be time consuming. And whether the Congress would support tariffs,
• 25:45
  Speaker 15: I'm not sure. I mean, the Republicans mainly do support tariffs,
• 25:50
  Speaker 15: and so do the Democrats. So when I've been in America,
• 25:54
  Speaker 15: I've been quite struck by the Democrats condemnation of President
• 25:58
  Speaker 15: Trump's tariffs, but them saying, but where in favor of
• 26:03
  Speaker 15: tariff's as well, just not President Trump's tariffs. It's not
• 26:07
  Speaker 15: very convincing that has just party politics.
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: You.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: No, it's definitely not convincing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You're right now.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Look, speaking of Trump, the US president has also addressed
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: the war between Russia and Ukraine, as he seemed to
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I think, toned down his rhetoric against Russia despite warning
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Putin that he was playing with fire just days ago.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: But now he's downplayed the possibility of new sanctions on Moscow.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: This is what he said.
• 26:33
  Speaker 16: I'm very disappointed at what happened a couple of notes now,
• 26:37
  Speaker 16: where people were killed in the middle of what you
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: would call a negotiation. I'm very disappointed by that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: To find out whether.
• 26:44
  Speaker 16: Or not he's tapping us along or not, and if
• 26:47
  Speaker 16: he is, we'll respond a little bit differently.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: What's Trump's game here, do you think, because the rhetoric
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: in the last week has been flip flopping from one
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: to the other.
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean trying to get President Putin to agree
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: to a cease fire, so he has to play that
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: as he hears it. So there's a lot we don't
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: a lot of information that we don't have access to
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: that the White House does have access to they will
• 27:20
  Speaker 15: have a good idea of what's going on in the
• 27:23
  Speaker 15: Kremlin and what the thinking. And for that matter, the
• 27:27
  Speaker 15: debates in the Kremlin are about a cease fire and
• 27:30
  Speaker 15: the circumstances of a sees far so the public comments
• 27:34
  Speaker 15: that President Trump mats makes our influence by a lot
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: of which we don't know. I mean, I would cut
• 27:43
  Speaker 15: him a bit of slack here. He has to find
• 27:46
  Speaker 15: a way of getting Putin to agree to this cease fire.
• 27:50
  Speaker 15: Zelenski's already agreed to it. And if he can get
• 27:54
  Speaker 15: Putin to agree to a cease fire, that will be
• 27:57
  Speaker 15: a wonderful thing for human life. But canny achieve it,
• 28:03
  Speaker 15: We don't know. He has to have up his sleeve,
• 28:08
  Speaker 15: maximum pressure, maximum sanctions to impose on Russia if Putin
• 28:14
  Speaker 15: doesn't agree to the ceasefire. But I mean, we just
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: don't know where Putin is at at this stage.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: No, we don't.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: And now look, I mean, I guess we can hope
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: for a cease fire.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. Before we let you go. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: just want to get your thoughts.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: That the Shadow Cabinet was revealed yesterday by Susan Lee
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on the lineup and what's next
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: for the coalition?
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: Well, first and foremost, I'm delighted that the coalition has reformed.
• 28:45
  Speaker 15: It was madness for the National Party to want to
• 28:47
  Speaker 15: break with the Liberals. I mean, how long do they
• 28:51
  Speaker 15: want to remain in opposition for? For twenty or thirty
• 28:54
  Speaker 15: years if they're going to do that. Secondly, I know
• 28:59
  Speaker 15: many of the people who are in the Shadow cabinet,
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: but I don't know all of them. The main thing
• 29:05
  Speaker 15: for members of the Shadow cabinet is to do what
• 29:09
  Speaker 15: we're doing now, to talk in the media, to make
• 29:12
  Speaker 15: their case, to make their arguments, not just against the government,
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: though that's an important part of their role, but to
• 29:22
  Speaker 15: be putting forward their alternative vision for Australia. They really
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: need to get on with doing that. And if I
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: had one criticism of the former shadow cabinet, it was
• 29:34
  Speaker 15: far too few of them didn't speak out in the media.
• 29:37
  Speaker 15: I mean, don't go into politics if you don't want
• 29:39
  Speaker 15: to speak in the media. But otherwise, if you're in
• 29:42
  Speaker 15: opposition and you're on the front bench, other than servicing
• 29:46
  Speaker 15: your electorate, what else are you going to do? You
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: don't you can't make decisions. You're not engaging with the
• 29:52
  Speaker 15: public service. You need to get out into the media
• 29:56
  Speaker 15: and communicate with the Australian public. Tell them what what's
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: wrong with the government and how you would do a
• 30:02
  Speaker 15: much better job. And you should do that every day
• 30:05
  Speaker 15: of the week. So I hope they do that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Comes down to courage and conviction, which, as you said,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: was lacking. Good to speak with you, Alexander Downer. Thank
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: you very much for your time this evening on the show.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: We're coming up after the break to transgender players Banks,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: welcome back.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in one of the winners from yesterday's reshuffle,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Liberal MP Zoe Mackenzie.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Who's been promoted to Assistant Minister for Education and Mental Health. Zoe,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining me. Congratulations on the role.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: You must be keen to get stuck into it now.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: Thank you so much.
• 30:42
  Speaker 17: Thank you for having me on your show tonight and
• 30:44
  Speaker 17: indeed I am thrilled to be joining the Shadow ministry
• 30:47
  Speaker 17: in these roles. It's particularly important Massa for my electorate
• 30:51
  Speaker 17: of Flinders. We're slightly more than ten percent of people
• 30:56
  Speaker 17: have suggested they have a long term.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: Mental health issue.
• 31:00
  Speaker 17: That's above the national average of eight point eight percent.
• 31:03
  Speaker 17: And in the COVID years in particular, forty percent of
• 31:07
  Speaker 17: women and about twenty percent of men actually sought help for.
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: Depression and or anxiety.
• 31:15
  Speaker 17: So it disproportionately affects my electorate, and therefore I'm really
• 31:20
  Speaker 17: proud and excited to throw myself into this area of endeavor.
• 31:25
  Speaker 17: I've also worked in education policy at both the federal
• 31:27
  Speaker 17: and state levels before, so I'm really looking forward to
• 31:29
  Speaker 17: getting back onto the tools in terms of education policy.
• 31:32
  Speaker 17: And I'm really grateful to Susan and to Ted for
• 31:34
  Speaker 17: this opportunity.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely well, we look forward to seeing what you do
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: with that position. Now, look, let's talk more broadly about
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: the coalition. There's been a lot of criticism about the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: number of women in the shadow cabinet, given that senior
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: women like Jane Hume and Sarah Henderson have been left out.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Opposition leader Susan Lee defended the changes.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: This is what she said.
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: There are no scapegoats.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Jane is a terrific and talented senator for Victoria, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: of course remains that the team that I announced yesterday
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: includes new faces because we are bringing a fresh approach.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: It's a new term in Parliament, it's a new leader
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: and we are going to do things differently.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Soorry there's been criticism that given that there's been a
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: cutback of women, it makes it harder now for the coalition.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Does it make it harder for the coalition to try
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: and win over more female voters.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm still.
• 32:27
  Speaker 17: Really proud that we've got our first female leader in
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: the more than eighty years history of the Liberal Party.
• 32:33
  Speaker 17: I think that is a fantastic achievement for Susan Lee,
• 32:36
  Speaker 17: who's been in the Parliament now for around twenty five years.
• 32:40
  Speaker 17: So I'm frilled to be part of her first lineup
• 32:43
  Speaker 17: as leader of the Liberal Party. Remember, we have some
• 32:46
  Speaker 17: extraordinary women who are in the shadow cabinet, Karen Little,
• 32:49
  Speaker 17: Melissa Macintosh and Rustin Michaylia Cash. Indeed, you know I
• 32:55
  Speaker 17: am a good friend of Jane Hume. She and I
• 32:56
  Speaker 17: went to school together. I know she will come back.
• 32:59
  Speaker 17: She's one of the most plane speaking politicians We've got
• 33:03
  Speaker 17: exceptionally good at explaining policy.
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: She will be back at some stage.
• 33:08
  Speaker 17: But I recognize this is obviously a disappointment for her
• 33:10
  Speaker 17: an indeed for Sarah Henderson too, who had done a
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: power of work in relation to education.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, absolutely, we just need to see what happens
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: with Jane Hume. But can't help.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: But wonder was she just punished for that work from
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: home policy? That certainly appears to be the case. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: want to ask you about net zero twenty fifty, notased
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: your comments earlier today on Sky News you said that
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: you are optimistic that the coalition can continue to observe a.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Net zero goal. How does that land do you think?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Moving forward?
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: You've got the Nationals wanting to look to drop net
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: zero twenty fifty, moderates like yourself wanting to keep a goal.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Can the two of you work together?
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Do you think the lives of the NATS to try
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: and come to a policy position on this?
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Absolutely?
• 33:53
  Speaker 17: Very confident who will come to a policy conclusion on this?
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: I speak to my National Party colleagues every day and
• 33:59
  Speaker 17: we talk about the aspiration of net zero. Indeed, you
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: know I went to COP twenty seven with Kevin Hogan
• 34:07
  Speaker 17: and what you see there is that the investment community,
• 34:09
  Speaker 17: the global investment community as well as the manufacturing community,
• 34:13
  Speaker 17: is all moving to a net zero stance. So one
• 34:17
  Speaker 17: way or the other, the global market, technology and energy
• 34:20
  Speaker 17: development will trend towards a net zero outcome. The question
• 34:24
  Speaker 17: is how we do it and if we actually punish
• 34:27
  Speaker 17: Australian industry by cutting off affordable sustainable energy options too quickly.
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: We've seen the Labor Party come to the Party to
• 34:36
  Speaker 17: day finally on gas. So Marie what has approved that
• 34:40
  Speaker 17: gas expansion. That's an important security measure for the West
• 34:44
  Speaker 17: in particular, but we're going to need to do more
• 34:46
  Speaker 17: of that, at least now post an election. The Labor
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: Party seems to be indicating a greater deal of honesty
• 34:51
  Speaker 17: with the Australian people about the fact that you can't
• 34:53
  Speaker 17: get there on wind and SOLI. You're going to have
• 34:55
  Speaker 17: to include gas in the energy lineup, and net zero
• 35:00
  Speaker 17: ZO becomes an important factor, but not one which will
• 35:03
  Speaker 17: destroy the history in economy or indeed the environment. Where
• 35:08
  Speaker 17: the National Party hold their seats. Those twenty eight thousand
• 35:11
  Speaker 17: kilometers of poles and wires, we're all going to go
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: through National Party held seats, and so they're not a
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: post in zero for the sake of being a post
• 35:18
  Speaker 17: in net zero, posting it zero.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: For what it might do to their seats.
• 35:22
  Speaker 17: But I still believe there's quite a bit of net
• 35:23
  Speaker 17: zero sympathy, interest and intent amongst our National.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: Party colleagues as well.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I think that's going to be an interesting
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: pathway forward because it seems like there is a big
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: split in how you try and strike that balance between
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: I know that you know, the Liberals want to win
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: back a number of Till seats, but obviously that the
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Nationals are looking after the country and the regions. So
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: we'll see how this progresses. Zoe mackenzie, nice to see.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much for joining me on the show
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: this evening. Well, common sense has finally prevailed, it seems
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: when it comes to biological men playing in women's sport.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: But I preface by saying only in one instance, there
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: is a long way to go. Two transgender players have
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: been banned from competing in Victorian Netball League due to
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: their superior stamina and physique over their female opponents. After
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: this video emerged of one of the transgender players knocking
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: a female opponent to the ground. Net Bulle Victoria has
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: launched an investigation into the potential safety risks associated with
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: men playing in women's sports. And look, why you even
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: need an investigation?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Is beyond me.
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  Speaker 4: It's great that men have been banned from competing in
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: this particular league, but it should have been obvious in
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: the first place. Men do not belong in women's sports,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: yet we see time and time again they are protected by.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Woke laws and policies in this country that allows them
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to do so.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Now, one of the transgender players has hit back, saying, quote,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: I've been dragged publicly and without consent into a conversation
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: where both my character and identity have been attacked. These
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: bigots don't deserve my time or energy. But I want
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: to make it clear you're not a bigot if you
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: think a man should not be competing in a woman's league.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: But this is the exact issue in this country, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: with this argument, and why people and politicians are so
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: scared to touch it because of fear of being labeled
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: a bigot or a transphobe. And all it says is
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: that men's feelings are more important than women's safety, And
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: it says that men's feelings are more important than a
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: woman's right to a fair and even match. Joining me
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: now is Giggle founder Saur Grover. So it's nice to
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: catch up with you again.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you. For joining me on the show.
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  Speaker 4: I would just want to start with this bigot comment,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: because you, of all people, know that when you stand
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: up for women's rights and you very vocal and public
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: about it, suddenly you're labeled a bigot. And for what reason?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, is this the problem with the debate in
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: this country.
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  Speaker 18: Silencing people so that they're too scared to talk out
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  Speaker 18: about this issue is exactly how the issue has been
• 38:05
  Speaker 18: able to get as advanced. No one would ever vote
• 38:10
  Speaker 18: or to have men and women's sports so that men
• 38:12
  Speaker 18: could be women in law.
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  Speaker 19: It's just such a preposterous idea. It's so stupid.
• 38:16
  Speaker 18: So the only way it was able to sort of
• 38:17
  Speaker 18: infiltrait society like it has shutting down anybody who questioned it, basically,
• 38:25
  Speaker 18: And so it's just been years for some women a
• 38:28
  Speaker 18: deck over a decade of desperately trying to speak out
• 38:32
  Speaker 18: and be heard and saying they're men, like they're just men.
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  Speaker 13: You know, this person's.
• 38:38
  Speaker 18: Identity is completely irrelevant when it comes to sports. I mean,
• 38:42
  Speaker 18: it's as relevant as his star sign.
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  Speaker 13: It doesn't matter.
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: Sports is just our bodies play sports, and sport is
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: divided by sex and sometimes age and sometimes.
• 38:51
  Speaker 19: Weight, depending on what the sport is.
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  Speaker 18: All he has to do is play in his sex class,
• 38:58
  Speaker 18: like literally everybody else. But yeah, instead we all get
• 39:01
  Speaker 18: called bigots stating the truth. I think the time is
• 39:05
  Speaker 18: up on that now. I think that the train's definitely
• 39:07
  Speaker 18: worth the station. People are everyday people are starting to go,
• 39:11
  Speaker 18: hang on, what's going on?
• 39:13
  Speaker 19: Because they weren't too far?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think people are now questioning it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: Finally, and I spoke there about this netball league it's
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: decided to ban the two players.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Is that an important first step?
• 39:27
  Speaker 19: Yeah?
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  Speaker 18: I mean the thing is is that obviously this shouldn't
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: be an issue at all, and all sports organizations in
• 39:34
  Speaker 18: Australia should be doing this. It's not that difficult. Why
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: do we have women only sports in the first place.
• 39:40
  Speaker 19: The protections are there in the law. It's just in
• 39:44
  Speaker 19: the Sex Discrimination Act. It is there's a whole part
• 39:46
  Speaker 19: on sport and a woman's.
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: Sports and acknowledging that there's biological, biological elements here that
• 39:51
  Speaker 18: are really important.
• 39:52
  Speaker 19: It's just that no one's been using them.
• 39:54
  Speaker 18: They've been intimidated by transactivists, by organizations like the Australian
• 39:59
  Speaker 18: Human Rights Commission, the Sex Discrimination commissioner and a codie
• 40:02
  Speaker 18: who will sit there defending gender identity over steps whenever
• 40:06
  Speaker 18: she gets an opportunity to well, no, it's just if
• 40:12
  Speaker 18: men are allowed to compete in women's sports, there's no
• 40:13
  Speaker 18: point in having women's sports. So yeah, it's just every
• 40:17
  Speaker 18: single other place, it's like football, track and field, everything.
• 40:22
  Speaker 19: They have to follow suit and just get back to reality.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And I just think it's obvious as well, you know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I mean netvul Victoria has launched an investigation, as I said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: into the potential safety risks associated with men playing women's sports.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I'd think salad just should be so obvious, should it not?
• 40:40
  Speaker 13: It should be completely obvious.
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  Speaker 18: I mean when you see all these headlines as well,
• 40:43
  Speaker 18: and they're seeing, you know, a transgender player band, it's
• 40:47
  Speaker 18: just a man like, let's just use the correct language
• 40:49
  Speaker 18: and make everybody understand exactly what's going on. It's just
• 40:53
  Speaker 18: a man being banned from a women's team, and from
• 40:56
  Speaker 18: any man would be. It's got nothing to do with
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: their identity. It's or on the beast sex.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're absolutely spot on, sal Grove. I always like
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: talking to you. Keep up the great fight as always.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining me on the show
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: this evening. Really appreciate it. Coming up after the break
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: my panel, we'll discuss Kevin Rudd posting another self indulgent
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: video on social media.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back. Let's bring in our panel now.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: The Daily telegraphs Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson from step.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Mat Studios, height of both of you. Good to see you,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: We're going to start with politics tonight, and of course
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: the coalitions reshuffle. You've got Senator Jane Hume dumped from
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: the front bench after her role in that disastrous work
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: from home policy, but Susan Lee reckons that she's not
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: being punished. I don't know, Tim, I tend to disagree.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I think that she's personally been made as a scapegoat
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: for the election loss.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: What do you think?
• 41:51
  Speaker 20: Yes, absolutely, And it wouldn't hurt the coalition to start
• 41:54
  Speaker 20: being more honest and direct about things post election instead
• 41:57
  Speaker 20: of hiding behind Polly speaking to you usual political things.
• 42:01
  Speaker 20: Just say yeah, we've invited Sanity Hue to work from home.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I wonder how that's going to go.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: But you know what, you actually raise a good point
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: because they've been dilly dallying around this now for twenty
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: four hours, and I actually think it's making.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: It worse, makeing it look worse.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Mark, what do you think you know? Susan Lee says, no,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: she hasn't been punished. But do you think that there
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: was an ulterior motive here?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Of course? And I think you raise a good point
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: as well. So this is this is real lefty behavior.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: This is what I was saying last week with the
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: whole we're going to break up, We're going to get
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: back together.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I want this, I want Tom answer. It's all. This
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: is all lefty behavior.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: This is not what we need. We need conservatives, that's
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: what we want. We want people who are careful and measured.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: This is what I was saying last week. I think
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: we need some nerds back in this place.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: But yeah, with Jane, I don't know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I personally, I wouldn't want to be on the front
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: bench of this of this opposition. I'd be very happily
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: sitting on the back bench planning my little Operation Bradbury
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and waiting for them all to just fall over and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: then just slam on in, ready for when you're ready
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to take government, Just.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Bradbury, it just come on in.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And who knows when that will be at this point.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: But you know, you're absolutely spot on. We need some
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: strong conservatives because I don't think that moderates can win government.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: And look, who knows what this lineup will give them
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt, but remains to be seen.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Now. Kevin Rudd, our ambassador over in the US.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: He's been busy on social media boasting about our relationship
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: with America, saying it's never been stronger, and he's even
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: posted this well self indulgent video.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Tim the music. It's just isn't it just beautifully put together.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: But let's not forget all the criticisms that you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Rud's made in the past about the Trump administration. But
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: never mind, our relationships never been stronger, he says, Yeah.
• 44:10
  Speaker 20: Well, it's never been made stronger. In large part, it's
• 44:12
  Speaker 20: remaining strong because Kevin's not allowed to talk a lot anymore,
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: so he can he can do a little that look like, really,
• 44:20
  Speaker 20: it looks like rap videos minus a lot of melon,
• 44:22
  Speaker 20: and they they're like, you know, everyone, it needs a
• 44:25
  Speaker 20: swimming pool and people and bikinis. And then and then
• 44:27
  Speaker 20: he'd be like he looked like something from the nine eighties.
• 44:29
  Speaker 20: But yeah, this is actually a reminder you're putting it
• 44:32
  Speaker 20: up now of Kevin's the greatest hits, the handball, the
• 44:37
  Speaker 20: the terrains there, oh god, the portrait. We all remember
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: the terrible, terrible port which I think du portrait to
• 44:44
  Speaker 20: feature his cat, which is an unusual sort of thing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: But as long as he keeps things at this level
• 44:51
  Speaker 20: of embarrassment, he's not doing too bad.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: Oh no, look I agree.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I mean it provides some terrific commentary, doesn't it when
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: we see these eighty star videos.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: As you said, you.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Know, Marky, Kevin Rudd said, our relationships never been stronger.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: He was asked this week about the tariffs and he
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: sort of just fobbed them off.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: He didn't think that they were that big of a deal.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: But the reality is is Donald Trump hasn't been really
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: looking to contact Kevin right in recent years.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: No, he had some nasty things to say. I'll tell
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: you what.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: The thing I noticed about that video as well, the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: little party that he threw. We know what the Kevin party,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Kevin Rudd party looks like, because we got the bill
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: We talked about it. Where are the drag queens in
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: this video? Where's the balloon arch that we apparently paid
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: for all the flowers, all the catering. We know what
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the party's up to. We've seen the bill. Kevin, come
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: on mate, but.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: He's yeah, you're right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: He's having meetings.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Apparently he's talking about doing some sort of minerals deal.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: He's using all of our three true dollars worth of
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: sovereign superannuation. He's offering that as a sovereign fund. He's
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: thrown around our cash because he's the King of Australia.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Apparently he's talking about our rare earth minerals. He can
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: dig them, he can sell them. One hour, behalf sure,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: go for it, Kevin. I'll tell you what. Nothing will
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: get a deal done faster than Kevin Rudd meeting with Trump.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Within five minutes of Kevin Rudd being there, rolling his eyes,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: acting smug, Trump will turn around and do a deal
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: with China. Nothing will happen faster than the people turning around.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: And go stuff this buke, oh go deal with China
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: is dead.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I mean I would actually love to be a fly
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: on the wall though over between at meeting with Rudd
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: and Trump.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: It would be the absolute highlight of the year that Look,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: there's been a debate over single sex versus co ed schools.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: In Sydney, a student from Newington took the college to
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: court after that school decided it was going to admit
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: girls from next year. And look, it's been an emotional
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: issue for some parents.
• 46:41
  Speaker 21: Remember this, well, I'm an old boy the school, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 21: my son is also an old boy, and the intention
• 46:51
  Speaker 21: was always that i'd have a grandson, but I won't
• 46:55
  Speaker 21: bring him to a co hit school.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Now, Tim, I am pro co ed schools. I went
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: to a co ed school. But if a school is
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: all boys, as Newington has been for a very very
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: long time, my question is why change it?
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Why change what there is? Go and send your kid
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: to another school?
• 47:15
  Speaker 20: Exactly. It's not as though there aren't options outside of there,
• 47:19
  Speaker 20: you know, I get the traditional element of it. But
• 47:22
  Speaker 20: as someone who as well went to a co ed school,
• 47:24
  Speaker 20: the co ed school that a couple of years prior
• 47:26
  Speaker 20: to me arriving had been had been always only, I
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: can't see what all the grief is about. I mean,
• 47:32
  Speaker 20: we don't have single sex society. I guess. In fact,
• 47:36
  Speaker 20: these days, you know, we don't even have double sex society,
• 47:39
  Speaker 20: so you know, at least keeping it, keeping it down
• 47:42
  Speaker 20: to two genders would be at least a step forward,
• 47:44
  Speaker 20: as long as that can keep a lid on it
• 47:45
  Speaker 20: at two. You know it might be a favor of it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, at the rate we're going in society,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: we might not be able to keep it at too.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Who knows.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: But look, Mark, you know that Newington's taken the college
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: to court here, but what are your views on it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I'm pro pro co ed schools as well. I think
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it's just really sad. It's sad that they had to
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: go to court for it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: It's sad that they had to run a very shallow
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: argument that the deed of the school was based on
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: it was built for youth, and they tried to argue
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that that was only for boys. It's sad that the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: community support didn't matter. It's sad that tradition doesn't come
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: in any way. It's not persuasive at all. It's really
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: sad that this is not actually about being progressive. This
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: was clearly about profit. I think that's pretty sad and
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I think ultimately what's really sad. And Tanika, you'd know
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: better than anyone that the second you late girls into schools,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: you got cooties it's girl.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Germs and these boys are a danger, and we really
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: need to look. It's a health it's a health aspect
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: we've got to care for. Someone's think about the boys.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Someone's going to think about the cooties, the boy germs,
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: the girl and jams.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: God, I forgot about those words. I agree.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: Now, look that you both go very sad news, very
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: sad news, and I know that you'll both be very
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: devastated to hear that Megan Markle's latest podcast, Confessions of
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: a Female Founder, has come to an end. It's come
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: to an end after eight episodes. No word on whether
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: it will be renewed. And it's quite a shock, really,
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: given she shares insights like.
• 49:10
  Speaker 22: This, I really like being in the garden and running
• 49:14
  Speaker 22: a business. Funny enough, it's a lot like gardening. Some
• 49:19
  Speaker 22: seasons are for blooming, theres are for planting seeds, but
• 49:23
  Speaker 22: most of the work, especially early on, it's tending to
• 49:28
  Speaker 22: the soil.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: It's the foundation.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Oh aren't she just inspired? Tim? What a shame it's
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: coming to an end.
• 49:36
  Speaker 20: I want I now want to bury my head in
• 49:38
  Speaker 20: a garden that Actually I didn't even know the name.
• 49:41
  Speaker 20: I didn't know the title of this podcast until you
• 49:43
  Speaker 20: just mentioned at the end, Nika. It's it's it's kind
• 49:47
  Speaker 20: of vanished without trace, having never actually made any impact.
• 49:50
  Speaker 20: But there are old interviews with with you know, the
• 49:53
  Speaker 20: pretty Royal Michael on us TV a decade or so ago,
• 49:58
  Speaker 20: and she was utterly charming. She was a the full
• 50:00
  Speaker 20: show guests, sweet, funny informed.
• 50:03
  Speaker 12: Right now.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: She's absolutely well, she's a non royal now, Mark, I'd
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: love to get your comments, but unfortunately we're out of time.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Mark and Tim, good to see you. Thank you so
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: much for joining me. That's all we've got time for.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Stay tuned. Peter Credlin is next.