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Young Mom DEAD, 2 Little Boys in ICU after Vacay PARASAIL NIGHTMARE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Don't you love vacations? You know,
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Speaker 1: I was never one of those people that live for
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Speaker 1: the weekend or lived for vacation until I had the
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Speaker 1: twins my children. Now I look forward to it, I
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Speaker 1: think about it, I plan it. And when I heard
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Speaker 1: about this beautiful woman Surprior, a thirty three year old
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Speaker 1: mom who dies on vacation trying to take her children
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Speaker 1: out on an excursion and adventure, I immediately thought of
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Speaker 1: all the times I've taken the twins on this adventure
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Speaker 1: and that excursion and just thought it was wonderful. A
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Speaker 1: thirty three year old mom dead on an excursion. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. What
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Speaker 1: happened to this beautiful young mom, just gorgeous young mom,
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Speaker 1: so loving, so dedicated to her children. Why did this
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Speaker 1: have to happen? Let's start where I like to start
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Speaker 1: every single jury trial if I can, and that is
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Speaker 1: with the nine one one call. Listen nine egency Um
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Speaker 1: on the Ocean by Pigeon Key, a pair of sailor's
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Speaker 1: line of broke Free and there in the waters. Okay,
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Speaker 1: hold on a second. Let me see seven on the water,
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Speaker 1: seven mom bridge. She said, yes, you're right here, pigeon pie.
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Speaker 1: I'm not physically there. My husband bald, and he said
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Speaker 1: to report it. He's on the water and I'll give
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Speaker 1: you his number if you need. Okay. So it's a parasale. Yep.
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Speaker 1: They were parasailing and the line of snaps and the
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Speaker 1: boats trying to get to the person. But he's trying
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Speaker 1: half naps okay, and would into the bridge. You know,
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Speaker 1: oh's pudge. Okay, let me see you. If I've got
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Speaker 1: somebody in the water, what is your name? Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna try to get him out there. So there were,
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Speaker 1: um how many subjects were on the paras do you know?
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Speaker 1: Or in the water idea. He's just in the distance
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Speaker 1: and it sounds like several boats are trying to get
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Speaker 1: to the person. But he just wanted to report it.
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Speaker 1: Not nothing that's gonna happen now, Okay, thank you, thank you. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it drives you crazy when I
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Speaker 1: listen to these nine one one calls, and it seems
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Speaker 1: like the nine one one dispatch officers asking all sorts
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Speaker 1: of superfluous incidental information when I just want them to
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Speaker 1: get the medics there. That's what I want to happen again.
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Speaker 1: A gorgeous young mother tries to entertain children, taking them
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Speaker 1: on this para selling excursion, this adventure. How many times
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Speaker 1: have we done something like that? I haven't done para selling,
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Speaker 1: but I've done other things. And she's dead. She is dead.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, guys at Fox Station. In
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Speaker 1: series eleven, I've got an all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. Michael Winkleman, high
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Speaker 1: profile maritime attorney, joining us out of Miami at Lukin,
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Speaker 1: Marguillis and Winkleman. He's quite the expert. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta Juristiction. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Robert
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Speaker 1: Crispin talk about a gumshoe private investigator extraordinaire at Crispin's
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Speaker 1: Special Investigations. You can find him at Crispin Investigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire state of
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Speaker 1: Florida and of course Florida will keep you busy. Pathcare
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Speaker 1: Med dot com. Lecturer University of Florida Medical School in
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Speaker 1: Forensic Medicine and the founder and host of the incredible
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Speaker 1: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. A very special guest
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Speaker 1: joining us, Mark McCollough, a parasailing safety expert and the
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Speaker 1: chairman of Parashil Safety Council. But first, Tim O'Hara joining
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Speaker 1: US reporter with the Key West Citizen, and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at keysnews dot com. Tim O'Hara, I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear a little bit more of this nine
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Speaker 1: one one call. Listen to him. Where is your emergency?
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Speaker 1: The seven mile bridge of Moser's channels, there is a
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Speaker 1: parasailorum north bridge and the rope growth and he's okay,
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Speaker 1: I've got a call on this already. I just want
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Speaker 1: to ask you a questions. Hold on okay, addition color okay?
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Speaker 1: And can you tell me it was just one male?
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Speaker 1: We don't know we oh, it was one person in
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Speaker 1: the parents sale why okay. So there's one person in
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Speaker 1: the water. Now he's being drug across the water by
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Speaker 1: the sail being drug okay, and its water Moser Channel. Okay,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna We've got deputies in FWC and everybody on
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Speaker 1: their way out there. I'm going to get the medical
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Speaker 1: out there to stage for them. So thank you for Okay,
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Speaker 1: I just wonder every time I hear these number one calls,
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Speaker 1: have they already sent somebody where they just chatting it
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Speaker 1: up with people online and on the front. Tim o
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Speaker 1: Harry joining me from the Key West Citizen. Tim, thanks
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Speaker 1: for being with us. What happened? I mean some of
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Speaker 1: that still needs to be worked out. But as you
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Speaker 1: can hear from that call, you know, you have multiple
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Speaker 1: boats saying, you know, we see this what they had
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Speaker 1: thought that the line had snap. We later find out
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Speaker 1: it was cut, but did it snaps? We have wait wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait wait. You know, Tim O'Hara talking to you
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Speaker 1: is like drinking from a fire hydra. It's just so
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Speaker 1: much at once, you know, I can't take it all.
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Speaker 1: And you said, okay, we first we thought the Paris
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Speaker 1: first first Martin McCullough joining US Paras selling safety expert.
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Speaker 1: I know you can hear Tim O'Hara crack, reporter with
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Speaker 1: the QY West Citizen. What is he talking about? What
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Speaker 1: did he just say? Well, it sounded like what the
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Speaker 1: person that called nine one one thought they saw the
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Speaker 1: paracel snap, the line snap, So that means while the
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Speaker 1: person para selling means you get into some contraption with
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Speaker 1: a with a sail, like off a sailboat behind you,
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Speaker 1: and you're attached to a cord like you you're skiing
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Speaker 1: behind a boat, and then the cord is attached to
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Speaker 1: I guess a speedboat, and the speedboat takes off and
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Speaker 1: then you're, in theory supposed to go up in the
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Speaker 1: air and sail behind it. Is that what you call
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Speaker 1: para selling? That's correct? Okay? Then what is it when
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Speaker 1: we drive past the water and we see people out
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Speaker 1: there on a it looks like a little floaty like
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Speaker 1: a boogie board, and they've got a sail on it
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Speaker 1: and they're they're guiding it with their hands and their body.
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Speaker 1: What is that? That's that's not para selling? What is that?
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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's like sailboarding. Sailboarding. Okay, okay, So we're
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Speaker 1: not talking about that. We're talking about para selling. I'm
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Speaker 1: repeating to you questions that I've gotten on Insta, Twitter
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Speaker 1: and Facebook, so don't kill the messenger. And also I
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear the difference too, So that's called what
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Speaker 1: did you say, Chrispin? Is that you jump in, skateboarding
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Speaker 1: out tight boarding, Okay, parasling whole nother animal. Now, Tim
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Speaker 1: O'Hara joining us Key West citizen, did I hear you
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Speaker 1: correctly that at first what onlookers witnesses thought the the
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Speaker 1: cord had snapped, correct and what turned out to be
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Speaker 1: three people in the harness of that well basically being
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Speaker 1: blown across a sort of a bay area, in an
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Speaker 1: area where there's age seven mile bridge, a very large
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Speaker 1: concrete and steel structure. Why would you parashill near a
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Speaker 1: submit bridge? Just first thing that pops into my head.
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Speaker 1: But hold on, Martin McCollough, see Tim O'Hara. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if this is good or bad, and no offense,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. But talking to you, Tim O'Hara, reminds
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Speaker 1: me of all the times I'd be getting ready for
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Speaker 1: a homicide trial and I'd have to go talk well,
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Speaker 1: I actually look forward to it, talking to the medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: and every line I have to go. Way, Okay, let's
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Speaker 1: set let's figure out what you just said. You threw
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Speaker 1: out a bunch of anatomical terms and Latin terms and
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Speaker 1: doctor terms nobody knows about but you So what does
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Speaker 1: that mean? Mark? McCullough for the line to just snap. Well,
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Speaker 1: and there are most of the accidents that result in
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Speaker 1: deaths have been in high winds where the line actually
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Speaker 1: actually disconnects from the boat. Disconnects. Yeah, well it's snapped.
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Speaker 1: I mean the line snap. Okay. See to me, the
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Speaker 1: meaning of snap means the chord breaks, But according to you,
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Speaker 1: snap means it comes disengaged or unattached to the boat.
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Speaker 1: Which one is it disengaged from the boat? Okay, Tim o'harry,
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Speaker 1: is that what you meant. I thought that meant that
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Speaker 1: the cord breaks in the air. I'm sorry, it broke
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Speaker 1: free from the vessel. Okay. And that's called snap A snap, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: with snap off or break off or disengaged. So it
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Speaker 1: disengaged from the boat. Is that what you thought, Jackie snap?
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Speaker 1: I thought the line broke. Yes, I thought the line broke.
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Speaker 1: But you're saying, Hey, I'm just a lawyer. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a paracel expert. So lines it says parashel slang. I
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Speaker 1: hear you. So line snap means the cord becomes disengaged
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Speaker 1: from the boat, not that it breaks. I would say
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Speaker 1: it broke, it broke from the boat. So now you
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Speaker 1: have three people basically floating in the air, so it
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Speaker 1: became disengaged from the boat. All right, they're not tethered
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Speaker 1: to the boat anymore. Okay, back to you, Tim O'Hara.
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Speaker 1: You then said you think the captain of the boat
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Speaker 1: cut it. Yes, why, well, that's going to be the
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Speaker 1: biggest question as part of this criminal investigation. That in
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Speaker 1: the weather is going to be the two biggest factors
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Speaker 1: going in disengstion. Tell me about the weather because a
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Speaker 1: storm seemingly propelled them. Who is them? All I know
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Speaker 1: is about the thirty three year old mom so Priya
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Speaker 1: and her nephew, nephew nine years old Vishy and ten
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Speaker 1: year old son Screa. Correct? Correct? Whoa, So you've got
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Speaker 1: a nine and a ten year old little boys up
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Speaker 1: in the air para sailing in a storm near a
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Speaker 1: cement bridge. Do I have that much right? Yes, that's correct.
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Speaker 1: But also also we are much Florida where storms where
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Speaker 1: storms do sort of like these little you know, I
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Speaker 1: will call them squalls. You know, they can brew up
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Speaker 1: very fairly quickly. Now you would think you would see
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Speaker 1: this somewhere in the distance and maybe or board this trip. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: can I just point something out to everybody. Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: private investigator, joining me out of Florida right now. Has
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Speaker 1: anybody heard of the Farmer's Almanac? Or is that just me?
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Speaker 1: Because aside a little girl, little little we had a copy,
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Speaker 1: black and white copy of the Farmer's Almanac at always
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Speaker 1: in the house. My grandmother had one, my great grandmother
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Speaker 1: had one. So you have an idea about what the
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Speaker 1: weather is going to be. Now, this happened on what day,
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Speaker 1: Tim O'Hara, what day to this happened? I've got on
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Speaker 1: May thirty, Memorial Day. Correct, We didn't know there was
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Speaker 1: going to be a storm, So Nancy, I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: you know, of course we have all heard about that.
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Speaker 1: But today's technology, and we're in rainy season, and everybody
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Speaker 1: knows rainy season. It rains every single day, and these
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Speaker 1: squalls come up out of nowhere. And this is just
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Speaker 1: an epic failure at the helm by the captain on
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Speaker 1: so many different levels from that trip should have probably
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Speaker 1: never went down, or that captain saw that, and those
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Speaker 1: people should have been brought down immediately, but he elected
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Speaker 1: to keep them up. Is this Crispin talking? It is
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Speaker 1: Crispin you're right, and to you, Michael Winkleman, high profile
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Speaker 1: lawyer joining me out of Miami. Michael, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you know this. If you don't know it, you
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Speaker 1: better get on my Facebook and friendly or ANSTA or Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Because my children just graduated from middle school. Big deal
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Speaker 1: we threw. I don't let me just say, quite the
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Speaker 1: shin dig and it had to be outside. Of course,
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Speaker 1: I need two weeks in advance. It was supposed to
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Speaker 1: storm that day, two weeks beforehand. I knew there was
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Speaker 1: going to be a horrible storm the day of the
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Speaker 1: graduation because I wanted to have a party and celebrate
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. Now how come I knew that two
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Speaker 1: weeks ahead of time. I want to look at it
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Speaker 1: every day to see if there was a change. Yet
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Speaker 1: they didn't know there was going to be a major
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Speaker 1: storm that propelled this young mother and in a hundred
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Speaker 1: a ten year old little boy, and now the mom
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Speaker 1: is dead. How did I know it was going to
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Speaker 1: storm that day but they didn't. Well, you're Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: so you're sharper than knife, so you have the wherewithal
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Speaker 1: to be looking out for things like that. The singular
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Speaker 1: comment that I'll make in defense of these operators was
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Speaker 1: that these storms do come out of nowhere. But I
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Speaker 1: find that to be such a feeble excuse, because Florid
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Speaker 1: or a statue requires them to have weather determining capabilities
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Speaker 1: out there so they can know exactly what's coming. Combine
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Speaker 1: that with a small dose of common sense, which is
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Speaker 1: looking around and seeing the storm's coming, and things like
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Speaker 1: this never happened. And look, this is what I do
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Speaker 1: for a living. I just finished the case out of
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Speaker 1: Mexico where a woman was at a resort down there.
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Speaker 1: They one of these fly by night operations took her
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Speaker 1: up from the beach. You could see the storm off
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Speaker 1: in the distance. The line maps. She's in the air
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Speaker 1: for forty five minutes and ends up crashing down in
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Speaker 1: the airport in Mexico. Thank goodness, she survived. We successfully
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Speaker 1: resolved her case. But look here we have this beautiful
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Speaker 1: thirty three year old woman and her Unfortunately the children
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Speaker 1: did survive. But you have these terrible tragedies that are
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Speaker 1: are clearly preventable. Clearly, you know, Michael Winkleman. Just hearing
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Speaker 1: you say that, you said, this is a beautiful mom,
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Speaker 1: And I said beautiful, and I don't mean just on
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Speaker 1: the outside. I mean on the insight too, Her little
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Speaker 1: boy ten years old, her nephew still in the hospital,
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Speaker 1: nine years old. There's just you know, to you, doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, high profile psychiatrist joining me out of Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: I remember the twins being nine years old, and how
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Speaker 1: dependent they were, and how innocent and trusting they were.
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Speaker 1: And this mother these were the loves of her life.
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Speaker 1: She was beautiful on the inside. Now she was not
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Speaker 1: a parasailing expert, but this captain was. How in the
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Speaker 1: h E double l do you strap a nine and
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Speaker 1: ten year old little boy into a harness and put
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Speaker 1: them up in the air on the day of a
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Speaker 1: storm near a cement bridge with the unassuming mommy. Mommy
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Speaker 1: probably helped harness them in. I mean, it's just it's
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Speaker 1: just all wrong. Can I tell you something? Can I
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Speaker 1: tell you something, doctor Angie? And I think you may
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Speaker 1: actually be the culprit. Know, my daughter Lucy has always
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Speaker 1: had a thing for sloths. They're really super cute, and
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Speaker 1: she has a stuffed sloth. She looked up pictures of sloths. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: so we said, where you're going to get to? Where
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Speaker 1: we're going to go on vacation. Out of the blue,
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Speaker 1: this child says Costa Rica. I'm oh, okay, so I
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Speaker 1: got busy trying to make that happen in a way,
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Speaker 1: you know, the unaffordable way to go looking for sloths.
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Speaker 1: Do you know when we got back from Costa Rica,
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Speaker 1: which by the way, ended up being less money than
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Speaker 1: going to Florida for a week, that said, after all
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Speaker 1: anybody could say was did you go ziplining? I I know,
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Speaker 1: because zip lining is dangerous enough in the US, where
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Speaker 1: we have safety measures, much less in another country. You know,
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Speaker 1: I don't even know they have nine one one. So
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Speaker 1: long story short, this mom, we're in Florida, We're in
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Speaker 1: the US, what we think is the most civilized, in
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Speaker 1: the greatest superpower in the world, and they're still letting
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Speaker 1: people go up in the air with a nine and
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Speaker 1: eighteen year old in a storm near a cement bridge.
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Speaker 1: Help me, doctor Angie. Well, you know, Nancy, what you
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Speaker 1: said at the beginning about the kids trusting their mom,
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Speaker 1: and then there's there's a trust that if you give
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Speaker 1: your money to someone and they have a boat and
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Speaker 1: a parasale, that they know what they're doing. Otherwise that
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Speaker 1: woman wouldn't have taken those kids up on that parasale
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Speaker 1: no way, so you automatically trust that and it's fun.
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Speaker 1: They're from Illinois, they're down in Florida for Memorial Day,
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Speaker 1: and they wanted to do something different. And unless Nancy,
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Speaker 1: they're into crime like you are and I am, and
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Speaker 1: they're hearing these stories constantly, then they may not think
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Speaker 1: about the danger that may be lying in one of
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Speaker 1: these activities. And hey, that's why I need a shrink.
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Speaker 1: And I write about this in my knee book. And
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Speaker 1: I had to do a lot of research on this
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Speaker 1: because we've been on a couple of Disney cruises and
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Speaker 1: they let you go out on what they call excursions.
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Speaker 1: That's why I'm even getting that word. Where you go
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Speaker 1: to a banana plantation and you go see sugarcane, mate,
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Speaker 1: and you go to a monkey preserve and all these
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Speaker 1: cool things. You go in a rainforest. That's why I
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Speaker 1: call them excursions. But on our cruise that we went on,
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Speaker 1: it was very controlled. You know, Disney is not going
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Speaker 1: to be hooked up with some fly by night adventure
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Speaker 1: where you end up dead, and I would carefully look
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Speaker 1: at them. I started thinking about those excursions when I
18:47
Speaker 1: heard about a zip line incident. I think it was
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Speaker 1: in Mexico. I wrote a whole section about it, and
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Speaker 1: don't be a victim. I think that when you go
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Speaker 1: on vacation, you somehow suspend your common sense in a way.
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Speaker 1: You and everybody does it. You aren't rust yes, and
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Speaker 1: you're relaxing, you're having fun. Oh, they're not going to
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Speaker 1: poison me there. Everybody knows what they're doing. But that's
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Speaker 1: not I don't believe that's always the case, Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: think you lower your guard when you're on vacation. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what that phenomena is. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut three our friends at WPLG. It happened
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Speaker 1: Monday evening, a witness describing a harrowing scene when bad
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Speaker 1: weather blew in around six pm. We're told people were
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Speaker 1: parasailing when the tow line broke, sending the shoote into
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Speaker 1: the bridge. At least one good samaritan in this white
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Speaker 1: Center console helped cut the line, getting a woman and
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Speaker 1: two children out of their harnesses and onto his boat.
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Speaker 1: A Marathon City official tells Local ten the sunset grill
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Speaker 1: on the east side of the bridge is where the
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Speaker 1: victims were taken. We saw Florida Fish and Wildlife officers
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Speaker 1: speaking to several people who were then escorted to their van.
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Speaker 1: Monroe County Sheriff's Office deputies also unseen. Sources say the
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Speaker 1: woman in the parasale did not survive. M Oo. Now
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut number five. This is
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Speaker 1: Christina Esqus WPLG. This video captures the heartbreaking incident. State
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Speaker 1: investigators say a mother from Illinois and her two children
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Speaker 1: collided into the old seven mile bridge near Pigeon Key
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Speaker 1: and a parasailing accident just before five thirty Monday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: According to Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, the mom
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Speaker 1: died from her injuries. Both children were hurt. John Collem
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Speaker 1: was on his boat nearby, riding on Facebook quote never
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Speaker 1: take life for granted. Things can change in a second.
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Speaker 1: A storm, he says, kicked up wins in a matter
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Speaker 1: of seconds. Then the line connected to the parasale snapped.
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Speaker 1: He rushed over, working with his passengers, he says, to
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Speaker 1: cut them free from their harnesses. One of those passengers,
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Speaker 1: he writes on Facebook, resuscitating one of the boys as
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Speaker 1: they raced to meet first responders. At sunset grill. A
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Speaker 1: Monroe County Sheriff's Office incident report details a harrowing account
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Speaker 1: of the efforts to try and help one boy conscious
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Speaker 1: and alert the mom unconscious, and another small boy approximately
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Speaker 1: nine years old, was unconscious and barely breathing on the dock,
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Speaker 1: later flown to Nicholas Children's Hospital, staff gently guiding him
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Speaker 1: in on a gurney. Unknown is how he's doing tonight
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Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace Back. You're Tim O'Hara joining
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Speaker 1: us from the Key West Citizen and you can find
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Speaker 1: them at Keysnews dot com. So Tim O'Hara, these this
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Speaker 1: family down from Illinois, they go out, Okay, take it
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Speaker 1: from there. So like if we already discussed, so they
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Speaker 1: go out, they get three of them put in the
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Speaker 1: harness of this. They get put up in the parasale.
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Speaker 1: They are, you know, I don't know exactly how many
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Speaker 1: miles offer where the bridges. But the weather turns um
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Speaker 1: as we've spoke earlier, the the it's called paked and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure your your parasale expert can tell you a
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Speaker 1: little bit more what that means, but basically means the
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Speaker 1: weather is impacting the sail so much that it is
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Speaker 1: um uh that it's affecting the operation of the boat,
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Speaker 1: and so the captain decides at that time to cut
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Speaker 1: the line, basically disengaging the parasale from the boat and
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Speaker 1: they are now, you know, being taken by the wind
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Speaker 1: in the parasale. Did you just call it pegging? That's
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Speaker 1: what's that's the term they use in the parason you know,
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Speaker 1: uh world as when basically the wind and the weather
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Speaker 1: is impacting the actual operation of the boat, and that's
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Speaker 1: when the captain decides to cut the line basically stream.
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Speaker 1: And that's what's going to be a huge part of
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Speaker 1: this investigation, and I'm sure investigators have Well we'll ask
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Speaker 1: that captain is well, why did you feel the right
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Speaker 1: cause of action was to cut this line? Well, Tim O'Hara,
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Speaker 1: joining from me from the Key West Citizen, you're absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: That is exactly what happened. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut eight. This is Kelly boorda Fish and Wildlife releasing
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Speaker 1: this new report revealing the tow rope did not snap,
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Speaker 1: but rather the captain cut the line tethering the three
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Speaker 1: victims after a gust of wind pegged the ParaSail, meaning
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Speaker 1: the shoot turned into a sail and could have potentially
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Speaker 1: dragged the boat. It says. The woman and two kids
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Speaker 1: were then dropped and dragged through the water by the
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Speaker 1: inflated ParaSail, through and across the surface of the water
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Speaker 1: before colliding with the bridge. Video shows Callan's white center
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Speaker 1: console arriving on scene as he and passengers performed CPR
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Speaker 1: before racing everyone to the docks at the nearby Sunset grill.
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Speaker 1: The kid was he wasn't like screaming on the top
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Speaker 1: of his lung, but he was letting me know, help me,
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Speaker 1: help me. And we got him in the boat, you know, immediately,
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Speaker 1: and then we got the other kid that was unconscious,
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Speaker 1: and then we got his mom in the boat. One
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Speaker 1: of the boys, just seven years old, was airlifted to
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Speaker 1: Nicholas Children's Hospital Monday. The thirty three year old woman,
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Speaker 1: identified as Soup Project Alaparthi died from her injuries. Straight
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Speaker 1: out to our expert joining us and we're so happier
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Speaker 1: with us, Smart McCullough, the parasl Safety Count Soul chairman.
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Speaker 1: What is pegged? Yeah, pegg is a term that's loosely
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Speaker 1: loosely used term. It's a slang for maxed out, meaning
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Speaker 1: more specifically the paracel that it's maximum toe angle due
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Speaker 1: to extreme wins. I mean at that point the parasls
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Speaker 1: violently swinging the back and forth like a pendulum, and
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Speaker 1: of course the parasllers are attached there. They're help us
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Speaker 1: to stop it from oscillating back and forth. And it's
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Speaker 1: actually one of the most horrifying scenes I've ever witnessed.
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? When did you witness
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Speaker 1: this happen? Well, because I've been in the business since
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Speaker 1: the seventies and I've I've seen just about every scenario
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Speaker 1: of accident and uh, this has become an expert to this,
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Speaker 1: Uh for these type of incidences of we're you know,
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Speaker 1: we're or a captain ends up getting caught into the
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Speaker 1: wind and the line separation or in this case cut
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Speaker 1: which I've never heard of before. Um, but we don't
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Speaker 1: know yet all the details. But that word peg is
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Speaker 1: it's rarely used, but that's what they mean by it.
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Speaker 1: In this case, Did the boat captain send out any
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Speaker 1: distress signal using his VHF radio. Yeah, that's one of
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Speaker 1: the that's one of the I you know, that's one
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Speaker 1: of the several questions I had you know that the
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Speaker 1: Channel sixteen is the mariners. Uh, you know they could
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Speaker 1: call may day and that sort of that sort of
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Speaker 1: takes presidents over. It's a designated the stress frequency that
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Speaker 1: broadcasts at the coast Guard and other boaters and takes
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Speaker 1: priority over the channels. So the big question is why
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Speaker 1: did he know? Did he reach out? That doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: like it, but we'll find out. Did he joining us
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Speaker 1: Tim O'Hara from the QS Citizen, Did he call the
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Speaker 1: stress on his radio or did he have a radio?
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Speaker 1: And did he have a chase boat? I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: heard of chase boats where you're the operation has a backup,
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Speaker 1: and when I was still diving a lot all over
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Speaker 1: the world, typically there is a backup in case or
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Speaker 1: some type of an accident. Did this guy have a
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Speaker 1: chase boat or did he use his VHF radio? Well,
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Speaker 1: it was a single boat out there at the time,
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Speaker 1: so there was no chase but which I will say
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Speaker 1: it's not uncommon for that industry, you know, to have
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Speaker 1: just a single pair sail boat operating out There's there's
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Speaker 1: nothing in the reports where interviews that's and so far
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Speaker 1: to say yes that he did call Channel sixteen on
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Speaker 1: his marine radio. But you know he could have been
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Speaker 1: in the throes of just trying to deal with this why,
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Speaker 1: you know, cutting the line, steering the boat, doing all
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Speaker 1: of these things, watching these people out there. So he
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Speaker 1: may not have had time because you know, we act
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Speaker 1: like this went on for half far. This could have
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Speaker 1: been all of this could have happened within what five
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Speaker 1: ten minutes, very quickly, you know, given the wind speak,
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Speaker 1: given how far they were getting carried across the water.
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't like this was you know, even longer
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Speaker 1: than the segment we're doing right now. All of this
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Speaker 1: could have happened in moments. Well, I know that you
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Speaker 1: said it's common that it is done, that there's not
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Speaker 1: a chase boat, but just because it is done doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean it should be done. And I'm just trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out. I mean, I've taken a lot of looks
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Speaker 1: at this bridge. It's an abandoned bridge, and I would
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Speaker 1: think that you would try to stay away from big
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Speaker 1: cement bridges when you go paraslling. Well maybe that's the
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Speaker 1: wilm of our seat legislature this time, to say, maybe
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Speaker 1: we need to push these boats further out where you're
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Speaker 1: I don't know any ten miles. I wouldn't hold my
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Speaker 1: breath waiting on a state legislature to do anything. But
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Speaker 1: to me, it just makes common sense. I mean, Mark
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Speaker 1: la Cola, why are we going to wait on the
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Speaker 1: Florida state legislature to tell a boat operator what is
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Speaker 1: safe and not safe? Because you'll be waiting until you're
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Speaker 1: blue in the face. L will freeze over before you
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Speaker 1: get a legislature to do anything. Half of them, we're
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Speaker 1: probably making money off paraceling, so that is not going
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Speaker 1: to happen anytime soon. So Mark, why would we Isn't
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Speaker 1: it just common sense that you don't paracel near a
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Speaker 1: big cement abandoned bridge. Yeah, let's start back with the
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Speaker 1: legislature because I was the one that originally push the
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Speaker 1: legislation to do regulations, but I had it where it
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Speaker 1: was so strict. I actually had a distance based on
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Speaker 1: the height of the toe, and they just ignored it
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Speaker 1: because the parasl operators sort of started lobbying against what
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Speaker 1: I had tried to push his very strict regulations. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, it was you're not gonna They're not going
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Speaker 1: to do anything. There's too much responsibility. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: only say that because I was a lobbyist briefly for
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Speaker 1: the district attorney at the Georgia State Assembly. I did
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Speaker 1: that I think two sessions, and I begged, I said,
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Speaker 1: please let me try murders and get me out of politics.
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Speaker 1: And it was anti crime issues, but you know they
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Speaker 1: didn't want to hear about any of that. Let me
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Speaker 1: go to our guest joining us, doctor Tim Gallagher, who's
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Speaker 1: been waiting patiently. Gallagher is the medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state of Florida, and you can find them at
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Speaker 1: pathcaremd dot com. Doctor Gallagher, what were the injuries that
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Speaker 1: this young mom suffered that led to her death? Well,
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Speaker 1: and before you get to at that point, you know,
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Speaker 1: when we do a death where someone's recovered from the water,
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Speaker 1: you know, the medical examiner has to answer two questions,
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Speaker 1: and in this case it is a little obvious, but
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Speaker 1: those questions generally are how did the person get into
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Speaker 1: the water and why couldn't they get out of the water.
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Speaker 1: The autopsy report has not been issued yet, but I
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Speaker 1: would imagine that our wonderful chief medical Examiner down there,
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Speaker 1: doctor Michael Steckbauer, is doing his usual A plus job
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Speaker 1: and will determine what the injuries were, most likely blunt
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Speaker 1: impact injuries, but we cannot rule out that the woman
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Speaker 1: died from drowning. And then we also have to add in,
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Speaker 1: and you may not like it, but is it a
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Speaker 1: natural cause when you have a medical event, you know,
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Speaker 1: before the impact in the water and before she drowned,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallager, could you just stop right there? You think
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Speaker 1: your medical degree? He's going to stop me from grilling you.
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Speaker 1: Probably not, Nancy, knowing you a piece of bacon about
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Speaker 1: what you just said. What did you actually just say
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Speaker 1: with a straight face, that maybe this young, healthy, thirty
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Speaker 1: three year old mother had a medical event that occurred
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Speaker 1: before she slammed into a cement bridge parasailing, and it
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Speaker 1: could be natural cause of death. Possibility is very lowle
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Speaker 1: We have to eliminate it. And you know I used
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Speaker 1: to like you. Well, we've had cases like this in
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Speaker 1: the past where somebody has suffered an asthmatic attack, you know,
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Speaker 1: before they impacted the water. How many how many cases
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Speaker 1: have you had where a mom, a young, healthy, thirty
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Speaker 1: three year old mother is para selling, it has an
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Speaker 1: asthma attack and dies midair strapped to a parasel How
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Speaker 1: many times does that happen to you, then it has
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Speaker 1: never happened. But it's not to say it never will.
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Speaker 1: Oh dear Lord in Heaven, Then why did you bring
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Speaker 1: it up? I just wanted to let your viewers know
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Speaker 1: that we look at every aspect of the death. Well,
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Speaker 1: you just said we didn't he just say we ad
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Speaker 1: an asthma attack? Didn't he just say that? But yet
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Speaker 1: when I greell you on it, you can't think of
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Speaker 1: the asthma attack parasailing. She ran into the bridge. She
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Speaker 1: slammed into a cement bridge. She's dead. She either died
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Speaker 1: from the force injuries. And I'm just a jd. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm saying, but I know she
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Speaker 1: either died from blunt force trauma right there with her
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Speaker 1: her son and her nephew watching, or she got hit
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Speaker 1: and went into the water and that sail, that tether
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Speaker 1: dragged her through the water and it drowned her. It's
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Speaker 1: one of those two things. Well, absolutely, that's your impression,
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Speaker 1: but we have to look at it from the scientific point,
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Speaker 1: you know, and we have to also include natural disease
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Speaker 1: in with our She fell down the steps, well, I
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Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a low possibility, but we do
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Speaker 1: have to include it. And that's just how, that's how's
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Speaker 1: how the science is. Time Stories with Nancy Grace tim
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Speaker 1: O'Hara with Key West Citizen. She was dragged through and
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Speaker 1: across the surface of the water by the inflated ParaSail
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Speaker 1: until they collided with the L seven mile bridge, right correct. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Mark McCollough, let me understand something. Why would he
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Speaker 1: cut the cord? How would that possibly help anything? Well,
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Speaker 1: we don't know the circumstances, but that's not something I've
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Speaker 1: ever trained anybody, and I'm not even sure any other
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Speaker 1: operators ever trained someone to cut a toe line, because
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Speaker 1: you totally give up control of the line. Yeah, when
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Speaker 1: you cut the line, you lose control, and that's it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these boats are very strong, the line's very strong. Heck,
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Speaker 1: to blow a hole in that parachute would take about
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Speaker 1: an eighty miles one hundred our wind. So you've got
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Speaker 1: a lot of things at the captain has a lot
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Speaker 1: of things that they're at their resources. The fact that
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Speaker 1: these newer vessels are much bigger, stronger, heavier, and you
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Speaker 1: know the fact that you'd cut a toe line. I
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Speaker 1: don't care if you're being dragged backwards, or you know,
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Speaker 1: panicking because maybe there's water on coming in over the
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Speaker 1: back end of the boat. There's just no circumstances in
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Speaker 1: which someone would cut a line that I know of. Well,
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Speaker 1: he did it. And when you cut the line, what
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Speaker 1: happens then, Mark McCollough, once you cut that line, well,
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Speaker 1: then now you've got no control. Now the wind takes over.
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Speaker 1: And as what happened is that they probably glided for
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Speaker 1: quite a ways before they hit the water, And we
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Speaker 1: don't know how long they were in the water being
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Speaker 1: dragged backwards. But I can tell you in past cases
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Speaker 1: that I've investigated where we've had water landings, nine times
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Speaker 1: out of ten, the person drowns because that water just
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Speaker 1: covers you and you can hardly breathe it. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: it's like being waterboarded. You can't breathe in. And as
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Speaker 1: a doctor, the doctor said, is that ye know she
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Speaker 1: could have had a condition where you know that maybe
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Speaker 1: she couldn't catch her wind or catch her or she
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Speaker 1: was scared, panic whatever you mean, drowned. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: know that. I would blame her and her fake asthma.
35:18
Speaker 1: You guys have cooked up as to wife. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think of somebody skiing face down being pulled through the
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Speaker 1: water behind a speedboat. There's no way you can breathe
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Speaker 1: the water at that velocity being pumped right into your face.
35:34
Speaker 1: And here's the kicker. Not the first time this has happened,
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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, right there in Florida. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut thirteen our friend Rob Nelson
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Speaker 1: at ABC. It's the terrifying moment caught on camera. Watch
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Speaker 1: as a ParaSail containing two riders breaks loose from the
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Speaker 1: boat leading and slams into two nearby condominiums in Panama Beach, Florida,
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Speaker 1: all before crashing into a parking lot full of cars.
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Speaker 1: We are at the commodore smashed into the top of
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Speaker 1: it this morning. Two seventeen year old Indiana girls, Alexis
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Speaker 1: Fernschild and Sydney Good, remain in critical condition at an
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Speaker 1: area hospital. Initial reports from investigators say that on Monday,
36:18
Speaker 1: an afternoon storm developed with strong winds, and that these
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Speaker 1: winds kept the shoot aloft and several attempts to winch
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Speaker 1: the riders back onto the vessel failed. The company who
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Speaker 1: ran the outing, Aquatic Adventures, is declining to comment. The
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Speaker 1: very popular vacation sport is an industry with very little regulation.
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Speaker 1: Just this may far to Legislators failed to pass a
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Speaker 1: bill that would have put new safety standards in place.
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Speaker 1: One of the biggest opponents aquatic adventures. The owner of
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Speaker 1: the boat involved in this incident that hasn't also happened
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Speaker 1: in Florida with two teen girls. I've got so many
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Speaker 1: similar transactions here where the same thing happens. Paracel becomes unhooked,
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Speaker 1: flies untethered for forty five minutes, it goes on and
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Speaker 1: on and on. Fifteen year old Ambermy White dies when
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Speaker 1: when Gus snaps the line paras sailing with sister. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there's so many of these incidents, but what it boils
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Speaker 1: down to you right now here, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists out of Atlanta, what happens when a child this
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Speaker 1: young nine loses their mother? Nancy? There is a there's
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Speaker 1: a wonderful study that was published in twenty and eighteen
37:32
Speaker 1: from the American Journal of Psychiatry. There was a longitudinal
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Speaker 1: study that looked at children who had lost their parents
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Speaker 1: or a mother from all different kinds of death, suicide, trauma,
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Speaker 1: natural causes. During the first two years after a child
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Speaker 1: loses a parent, they are at a very high risk
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Speaker 1: of suffering from depression. So it's important for whoever the
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Speaker 1: surviving parent is to be looking out for this and
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Speaker 1: treat it because actually, what they also found in this
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Speaker 1: study is that this affects the child socially and mentally
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Speaker 1: for years into their life. But the first thing they
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Speaker 1: have to look for, the first thing they need to
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Speaker 1: be looking for in these children who have lost a
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Speaker 1: parent are signs and symptoms of depression in that first
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Speaker 1: two years, and they need to jump on it and
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Speaker 1: treat it and not wish it away. Robert Crispin joining
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Speaker 1: me Crispin Special Investigations also joining us from Florida along
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Speaker 1: with Michael Winkleman, maritime lawyer in Florida. You know, Crispin,
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Speaker 1: I think when people go on vacation, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you see this a lot in Florida, your defenses are lowered.
38:53
Speaker 1: You don't think you're gonna have a crash when you
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Speaker 1: rent that moped or that bird, or that parasailing adventure
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Speaker 1: or scuba or whatever is you're doing. You don't there's
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Speaker 1: so many incidents like that happening at vacation spots. I don't.
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Speaker 1: It's you know. I was just down in Florida and
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Speaker 1: we went to Gatorland or Gator World and they had
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Speaker 1: a zip line over the gators. My son had a
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Speaker 1: fit to zip line over the pond of gators. I'm like, son,
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Speaker 1: have you lost your mind? You're not zip lining over alligators.
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Speaker 1: That's not happening. When you move out at age thirty
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Speaker 1: five from home, you can then go do whatever you want,
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Speaker 1: including zip lining over gators. But you're not zip lining
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Speaker 1: over gators on my watch. Oh the sulk, as my
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Speaker 1: mom used to say, you could to plant a row
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Speaker 1: of turnips on his bottom whip who was sticking it
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Speaker 1: out so far? So what I'm saying is these people
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Speaker 1: probably had no idea how dangerous this really was. Listen, Nancy,
39:47
Speaker 1: this all comes down to one person, and then every
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Speaker 1: single one of these events that we have spoken about
39:52
Speaker 1: comes back to one person, the captain. The captain was
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Speaker 1: ultimately responsible for who's on his vessel or who is
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Speaker 1: associated with his vessel, whether you're parasailing, you're diving, whatever
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Speaker 1: you're doing. That captain is one responsibles in each of
40:06
Speaker 1: these situations. That captain made a poor decision absolutely made
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Speaker 1: a poor decision. Those boats never should have been out
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Speaker 1: in that wind. Those kids that got detached from their tethers.
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Speaker 1: On the other situations we talked about, that's an equipment failure.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you in those investigations, you're going to find
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Speaker 1: faulty equipment. I guarantee you in this particular situation, and
40:29
Speaker 1: I vote in South Florida every weekend. It's an epic
40:33
Speaker 1: failure on the captain's part, and who he or his
40:38
Speaker 1: observer instructed to cut that line was the ultimate demise
40:43
Speaker 1: of those three people. I agree, you're disagree, Michael Winkleman. Oh,
40:47
Speaker 1: I completely agree with everything you said, in particular Nanthew
40:50
Speaker 1: that I think when people go on these vacations they
40:53
Speaker 1: do let their guard down. Then you have these inherently
40:55
Speaker 1: dangerous activities that are putting families the risk, and not
40:58
Speaker 1: enough and done to make them. I think, even before
41:02
Speaker 1: you get the captain operation and blaming them, it is
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Speaker 1: an issue of regulation, and I think regulation has become
41:07
Speaker 1: such a political hot button issue. But here let's both
41:10
Speaker 1: like take a little boonful of common sense. We want
41:13
Speaker 1: to regulate parashl operators so that they can do this safely.
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Speaker 1: So that we're not on this show talking about terrible
41:19
Speaker 1: tragedies like this. This is where a common sense regulation
41:22
Speaker 1: needs to come into play. Nancy. The beauty of all
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Speaker 1: this is the captain always has the right to say no,
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Speaker 1: we're not going, just like your pilot in bad weather
41:31
Speaker 1: when you sit on the runway and everyone on that
41:32
Speaker 1: plane is upset that that thing's not taken off. You
41:35
Speaker 1: know why because that guy in the left seat, that captain,
41:37
Speaker 1: he said no, it's no and a lot of these
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Speaker 1: should have been unknown Andrew you tim O here joining
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Speaker 1: us from the Key West Citizen. Where does it stand
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Speaker 1: right now? Well, this isn't the first time we've had this.
41:48
Speaker 1: Two years ago we had two other people die when
41:52
Speaker 1: the line broke. It was no one cut it, but
41:55
Speaker 1: it broke in a parachel boat. The captain of that
41:58
Speaker 1: boat has been charged with two counts of manslaughter. So
42:01
Speaker 1: I think we first need to see where that case
42:04
Speaker 1: is going, because no even arrest has been made in
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Speaker 1: this case with the mother and the two small children.
42:09
Speaker 1: We do have a case from two years ago. Charges
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Speaker 1: were filed about a year ago. Not much activity, you
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Speaker 1: know with COVID, a lot of that stuff shut down,
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Speaker 1: But that case will be coming to trial or a
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Speaker 1: plea deal, I would think fairly soon, so we'll get
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Speaker 1: a sense of how this plays out of the the courtroom,
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Speaker 1: you know, and because in that case it you know,
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Speaker 1: the bad the way why he was arrested in charge,
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Speaker 1: they said, other captains that day chose not to fly.
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Speaker 1: He chose to go out further and the storm caught
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Speaker 1: up with him and the line breaking and two people drowned.
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Speaker 1: So we'll know, you know, I would think before this case,
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Speaker 1: you know, there is a precedent here, and we have
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Speaker 1: a very um I will say, you know, a bit
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Speaker 1: of a bulldog prosecutor in our state at turning down here,
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Speaker 1: sort of the Nancy Grace of the Florida Keys, I'll say,
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Speaker 1: And he's taken this caseboard, he is very seriously. I've
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Speaker 1: spoken to him a some time since. I take it.
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Speaker 1: Then I'm the dog in this scenario. Why I would
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Speaker 1: think you're the bulldog in this scenario, the way you
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Speaker 1: will take it, and the light most favorable to you.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false Nancy Grace Crimes toy
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Speaker 1: signing off, good bye friend,