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War Zone LIVE! with Wayne Allyn Root 07-15-26 · Wayne Allyn Root’s WAR Zone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: My new book is out, How Illegal Immigrants Have Made
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  Speaker 1: America Great. You can only get it at Amazon. How
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  Speaker 1: Illegal Immigrants Have Made America Great. Finally, all of their
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  Speaker 1: unsung achievements in one book, and it's 100-plus blank pages. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I get it. It's a gag gift, and it even
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  Speaker 1: says on the front, warning, do not show this book
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  Speaker 1: to Democrats. Their heads will explode. And the greatest gift
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  Speaker 1: ever for conservatives, Republicans, MAGA patriots, and anyone born in
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  Speaker 1: the USA, how illegal immigrants have made America great. 100
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  Speaker 1: blank pages. Go get 10 copies, 20 copies. Give it
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  Speaker 1: out to all your friends. So they get the message
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  Speaker 1: that illegal immigrants have not done anything to make America great.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, understand my theory here. Legal immigrants
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  Speaker 1: have done lots of things to make America great. Our
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  Speaker 1: whole country is legal immigrants. My grandparents were legal immigrants.
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  Speaker 1: Your grandparents were legal immigrants. Your great-grandparents were legal immigrants. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Wayne Allen Root, America Speaks. You call in and we
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  Speaker 1: So you call in at 6 p.m. Eastern, and I
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Wayne, what do you think about Obama?
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  Speaker 1: He was a communist, socialist, Marxist radical. I agree. Or
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  Speaker 3: This is Wayne Allen Root, raw and unfiltered, but America's
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  Speaker 3: the world, Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: What time is it? It's time for War!
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  Speaker 3: Here's your host, 100% raw truth, 100% American made, the warrior,
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  Speaker 3: Wayne Allen Root.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Wayne Allen, the root, the root, the root,
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  Speaker 1: the root is on fire. Welcome to War Zone Live,
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  Speaker 1: my podcast, which is the official podcast of the Gateway Pundit.
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  Speaker 1: Over 2.5 million daily readers, over a billion page views,
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  Speaker 1: fifth-ranked conservative news site in the United States of America,
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  Speaker 1: which makes it fifth-ranked in the world. And great to
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  Speaker 1: be with you. Great to be with you. Today is Wednesday.
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday the 14th, 15th, 15th of July. That means we're
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  Speaker 1: halfway through summer here. Summer's almost gone. It's exactly the
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  Speaker 1: halfway point. You know, we got six weeks of summer left.
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  Speaker 1: And then Las Vegas turns beautiful. It's a great place
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  Speaker 1: to live, like nine months a year. I'm not really
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  Speaker 1: thrilled about June, July, August. So we're almost there, almost there.
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  Speaker 1: But it's still beautiful. You know why? Because I'm a
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  Speaker 1: sun guy. You know, liberals live in places like Portland, Seattle,
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  Speaker 1: and Minnesota because it's always cloudy and raining in the
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  Speaker 1: summer and miserable all winter because they're miserable, dark people,
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  Speaker 1: negative people, and mostly ugly people. And the people in
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas are the most beautiful women in the world,
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  Speaker 1: just like LA's sunny and beautiful women. But Vegas is
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  Speaker 1: filled with beautiful women. Sun's always out. Even when it's
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  Speaker 1: hot in the summer, you got beautiful women and the
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  Speaker 1: sun's out. That's good enough for me. So here's the deal.
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  Speaker 1: I want to mention a show that I watched today
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  Speaker 1: because I work out in the gym two hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: As I've said before, the only way you can make
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  Speaker 1: it through a two-hour workout is if you watch movies
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  Speaker 1: or TV shows. And I watched a documentary actually today.
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  Speaker 1: I watched probably about I don't know, about 60% movies
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  Speaker 1: and like 30% TV shows and maybe 10% documentaries. And
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  Speaker 1: I watched a documentary today called Shipwrecked Nightmare at Sea.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a documentary, a real life story about
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  Speaker 1: a cruise ship that hit rocks off the coast of Italy.
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  Speaker 1: The captain evidently screwed up badly and hit rocks and
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  Speaker 1: it ripped a hole in the hull. and the ship sunk,
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  Speaker 1: and it sunk right off the shore. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: people could swim, you know, just literally a few yards
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  Speaker 1: and they'd be at the port, but it's still deep
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  Speaker 1: water and some people don't know how to swim. And
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  Speaker 1: there were all kinds of problems. And I think 70
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  Speaker 1: people wound up dying. And it was one of the
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  Speaker 1: great maritime disasters, not, you know, quite the level of
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  Speaker 1: the Titanic, where everything, pretty much half the boat got
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  Speaker 1: wiped out. But nonetheless, it was a major cruise line
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  Speaker 1: or a gigantic cruise ship that sunk right off of
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  Speaker 1: Italy's shores. And I wanted to tell you the lessons
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  Speaker 1: I learned in watching the show. First of all, they
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  Speaker 1: lost electricity as the ship started to go under. And
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  Speaker 1: it was dark. And there was a guy who was
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  Speaker 1: one of the stars of this documentary. Him and his
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  Speaker 1: wife were on the boat with their brand new one-year-old daughter.
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  Speaker 1: And they were climbing up stairs because the announcements kept saying,
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  Speaker 1: go back to your room, go back to your room.
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  Speaker 1: Everything's okay. Go back to your room. And every person
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  Speaker 1: to a man and a woman on this documentary that
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  Speaker 1: heard that message, go back to your room. Every single
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  Speaker 1: one of them disobeyed the order and got to the
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  Speaker 1: rowboats and lived. And the people who listened died, which
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  Speaker 1: is such an important lesson you must learn. Everyone, whenever
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  Speaker 1: you hear an announcement, the people making the announcement, are
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  Speaker 1: liars and scumbags and they know nothing. And if they
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  Speaker 1: do know something, they're lying to you on purpose to
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  Speaker 1: keep there from being a panic or to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that you don't go to the lifeboat. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure about boats, just in life, in the World Trade
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  Speaker 1: Center during 9-1-1. Whatever message you hear, do the opposite.
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  Speaker 1: Go back to your office. No, get to the stairs
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  Speaker 1: and go down because the building's going to collapse. Go
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  Speaker 1: back to your room. No, don't go back to your
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  Speaker 1: cabin slash room because the ship is going to sink
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to die. Don't listen to anything they
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  Speaker 1: tell you. So the announcement or the announcer on the
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  Speaker 1: announcement is saying, go back to your room, go back
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  Speaker 1: to your room. And everything's OK. And they're low keying it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've had a slight accident. Wasn't a slight accident.
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  Speaker 1: The entire hall was ripped open and the entire ocean
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  Speaker 1: was pouring in. And the captain is acting as if
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  Speaker 1: everything's okay. And lesson number one, lesson number one is
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  Speaker 1: this guy and his wife going up the stairs with
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  Speaker 1: a one-year-old baby. And I thought of myself going back
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  Speaker 1: to my football days. If I had my one-year-old baby
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  Speaker 1: in my arm and then there were people trying to
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  Speaker 1: block me from getting on a lifeboat or stop me
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  Speaker 1: from going up the stairs, I would knock them unconscious.
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  Speaker 1: I would knock their teeth out. I would grab anything
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  Speaker 1: I could grab, a chair, a desk, anything. a fire
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  Speaker 1: extinguisher and hit him in the head, kill him if
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  Speaker 1: I had to, to protect my wife and my child.
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  Speaker 1: Very important lesson. You do what you have to do.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that I should bring this up to
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  Speaker 1: start the show because I want to apply it to America.
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  Speaker 1: What do I love?
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  Speaker 4: America.
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  Speaker 1: What do you love? America. And what do you have
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  Speaker 1: to do? Protect America at all costs. Protect the country
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  Speaker 1: you love. That's the greatest nation in world history under
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  Speaker 1: attack from communists, transgender weirdos, illegal aliens, foreign invaders, foreign
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  Speaker 1: globalist enemies who are looking to sink your ship, which
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  Speaker 1: is your country. And you have got to do what
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  Speaker 1: you got to do. If you have to kill them
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  Speaker 1: to get them out of the way, if you have
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  Speaker 1: to hit them in the head with a fire extinguisher,
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  Speaker 1: you carry your country to your bosom like you love it.
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  Speaker 1: And liberals don't love it. They hate it. They're scum.
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  Speaker 1: They're scumbags and they're evil. And so that's the first lesson.
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  Speaker 1: Treat them like you would treat a one-year-old baby as
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  Speaker 1: you're running to a lifeboat and other people are trying
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  Speaker 1: to get on ahead of you. You got to do
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  Speaker 1: what you got to do to hold on tight, protect
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  Speaker 1: the things you love, your wife, your baby, and make
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  Speaker 1: sure you make it. And who wouldn't do that? Only
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  Speaker 1: communist traitors would not love and protect their country, America, right?
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  Speaker 1: I want you to think of walking in a bad
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood at night, right? A really rough, dangerous, high-crime-ridden neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: You're driving through it. Your car stalls. Your car stops,
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  Speaker 1: or you have a flat tire. Your engine seizes. And
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  Speaker 1: now you've got to get out of the car to
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  Speaker 1: a bad neighbor and you've got to walk for help.
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  Speaker 1: You better hold your baby and hold your wife's hand.
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  Speaker 1: Or maybe you could turn it into a natural disaster.
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  Speaker 1: You're facing a tornado, a hurricane, a flood. You better
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  Speaker 1: hold your family's hand and never let go. I want
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  Speaker 1: you to hold America's hand and never let go. It's
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  Speaker 1: our right to do that. It's our responsibility to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So think of the people you love and protect America
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  Speaker 1: like the people you love. Lesson number two is do
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  Speaker 1: not listen to authority. Their advice will kill you. Authorities
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  Speaker 1: are wrong about everything. Experts are frauds. They know nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They're wrong about everything. They're morons. or they're bootlicking order
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  Speaker 1: takers or they want you. They may not want you
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  Speaker 1: to die, but they want you out of the way. Well,
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  Speaker 1: they run to the lifeboat. Lesson number three is the
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  Speaker 1: cover up when they try and tell you everything's fine.
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  Speaker 1: It's not fine. That's what's going on in America today.
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  Speaker 1: Liberals are trying to say everything's fine. We're letting in
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  Speaker 1: 50 million illegals. No problem. They're all nice. They're all
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  Speaker 1: here to make a better life. They're not here to
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  Speaker 1: murder you, kill you, rape you. They're not here to
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  Speaker 1: abuse your children. They're not here to steal your jobs.
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  Speaker 1: They're not here to make the place filthy and drop
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  Speaker 1: garbage and litter and poop on the ground. No, they're
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  Speaker 1: all here to be good to you. Don't listen to
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  Speaker 1: anything anybody tells you. It's all a cover-up. That's the
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  Speaker 1: third lesson I learned. And then I'm trying to find
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  Speaker 1: the last lesson here. There's two last lessons. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: every man for himself, right? Don't wait for government or
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  Speaker 1: people of authority to save you. You are the only
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  Speaker 1: one who could save you. If it's to be, it's
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  Speaker 1: up to me. And you got to do what you
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  Speaker 1: got to do. All that matters is the survival of
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  Speaker 1: you and your family. Every man for himself. And it's
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  Speaker 1: getting to be that time in America. every man and
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  Speaker 1: woman for themselves, and you have got to do anything
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  Speaker 1: to protect America, just like it's your little child or
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  Speaker 1: your mommy and daddy. You got to protect them because
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  Speaker 1: you love them. You got to protect America because you
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  Speaker 1: love it. And these people on the left are here
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  Speaker 1: to kill, enslave, destroy you, fill this nation with with
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  Speaker 1: Muslim murderers. They're here to inoculate you with vaccines that
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  Speaker 1: will kill you and fill the air with chemtrails and
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  Speaker 1: destroy your life financially with electric bills that are going
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  Speaker 1: to be $ 2, 000 a month for a small apartment because
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  Speaker 1: they believe in climate change. And this is what you're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with, folks. So I just thought that movie was
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  Speaker 1: an interesting movie that was kind of a representation of
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  Speaker 1: life and everything going on in the country today. And
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  Speaker 1: the movie, again, I'll give you the name in case
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  Speaker 1: you want to watch it. Shipwrecked Nightmare at Sea. Shipwrecked
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  Speaker 1: Nightmare at Sea. Very interesting, very interesting movie. It's going
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  Speaker 1: on every day, you know. I didn't have a chance
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  Speaker 1: to download it. I'll try to do it in the break.
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  Speaker 1: But there was a story about Governor Tim Walz of
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota making a case for why he wanted to defend
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  Speaker 1: and did not want to deport an illegal alien who
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  Speaker 1: raped little children. Raped little children. I believe he repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: raped a little girl under the age of 10. And
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  Speaker 1: he did not want him deported. Marco Rubio said, screw that.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting this guy out of the country and deported him.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine that there are people this bad in America?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the guy who raped a
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  Speaker 1: little girl. I'm talking about Governor Tim Walz. Can you
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  Speaker 1: even imagine there's people that bad in the United States
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  Speaker 1: of America who don't care that someone has raped a
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  Speaker 1: little girl? They want to protect them and keep them
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  Speaker 1: from being deported out of the United States. That's what
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  Speaker 1: you're dealing with, folks. All right. Here's a good example
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  Speaker 1: of the problems we face. And I think the biggest
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  Speaker 1: problem is the insurrectionist communist judges. Or maybe I say
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  Speaker 1: communist first. Communist insurrectionist judges. And here's a judge in Nevada.
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  Speaker 1: A judge in Nevada. Let's see if I can find
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  Speaker 1: his name. U.S. District Judge Richard Boulware II. A Nevada
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  Speaker 1: judge accused— he' s black, he's a Democrat, and I'm guessing he's
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  Speaker 1: a communist who hates this country, and his wife is
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  Speaker 1: a city councilwoman. Very few people know that. He's married
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  Speaker 1: to a city councilwoman. Another great lesson to be learned.
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  Speaker 1: All the scumbags are married to each other. You find
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  Speaker 1: me a scumbag in government working for Obama, Biden, Kamala—
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  Speaker 1: I'll find you their husband is working for the media,
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  Speaker 1: or their husband works for another communist, evil, scumbag, Marxist politician,
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  Speaker 1: or they're trying to destroy you with some climate change organization.
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  Speaker 1: or they're fighting for illegal aliens. It's incestuous. They're all together.
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  Speaker 1: These people are disgusting, and they're together. And yes, because
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  Speaker 1: they're Democrats, they're mostly ugly. They're ugly on the outside,
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  Speaker 1: and they're ugly on the inside. Terrible people. But this justice,
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  Speaker 1: his name is U.S. District Judge Richard F. Boulware II.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? There was one before him, too. Disgusting
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  Speaker 1: evil monster. One, Richard F. Boulware, the first, obviously. He
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  Speaker 1: accused ICE of lawless conduct for holding immigrants with no
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  Speaker 1: legal status in arbitrary detention for months without providing bond
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  Speaker 1: hearings and ordered the release of 17 detainees earlier this month.
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  Speaker 1: And said he would consider sanctions against ICE officials who
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  Speaker 1: defied his orders. These judges, you're just a fat guy
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  Speaker 1: with a black robe. And you think that, like, you
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  Speaker 1: could put people in jail because they disagree with you.
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  Speaker 1: And the disagreement is because you protect illegals and we
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  Speaker 1: want to get them out of the country. It's so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: And all but two of the Taney's have been released
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  Speaker 1: as of Monday, according to the ACLU, which represents them.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: His orders relate to his late March ruling in which
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  Speaker 1: he determined that a Department of Homeland Security policy that
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  Speaker 1: called for mandatory detention of immigrants in deportation proceedings who
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  Speaker 1: otherwise would have been eligible for bail was unconstitutional. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: these people are all the same. I think this is
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  Speaker 1: the guy that in my mock trial on Friday where
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  Speaker 1: I kicked his ass, an ACLU lawyer was one of
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  Speaker 1: the witnesses for the defense attorney. I believe this is
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  Speaker 1: the guy. Athar Hasselbula. I love these names. You're not American.
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  Speaker 1: What's your name? Athar Hasselbula. Wow, these people are from
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  Speaker 1: another world. As someone who's practiced law at a high
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  Speaker 1: level for quite some time, he said... I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: anything quite like this. Rarely do we see a government
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  Speaker 1: agency openly and brazenly ignoring federal court orders. This is
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  Speaker 1: what we have to do from now on. ignore all
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  Speaker 1: of their orders. These judges are communists. The ACLU is communist.
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  Speaker 1: Communist is a domestic terrorist organization. We need to ban
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  Speaker 1: communism in the United States and ban communist groups in
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  Speaker 1: the United States of America, as well as ban Sharia
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  Speaker 1: law and radical Islam. And these judges need to be
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  Speaker 1: stripped of their power, impeached, kicked out of office. and
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  Speaker 1: sent to Gitmo. They're all on the side of foreign invaders.
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  Speaker 1: They want open borders. They want to destroy our country.
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  Speaker 1: They're the most disgusting, despicable people in the world. All right.
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  Speaker 7: I'm doing very well. I'm doing really well, Wayne. My name, Wayne,
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  Speaker 7: is going well through life. I've really enjoyed having it.
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  Speaker 1: Two Waynes. Two Waynes. And the third Wayne is Wayne Newton.
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  Speaker 1: So now we've got three Waynes in Las Vegas. On
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: June 3rd, the FBI and MI5 and three other allied
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: services issued a joint warning. Chinese military intelligence is running
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: active recruitment campaigns through LinkedIn, posing as think tanks and consultancies.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to target clearance holders. So let me tell you, as
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a person who studies politics 25 hours a day and
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: thinks he's a smart guy, Wayne, I have no idea
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what this says. I don't even know what that means.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: What the hell is a clearance holder? I don't even
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. Tell me in layman's terms
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: what the hell's going on.
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: When you're in the federal government, if you have a clearance,
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: and many, many thousands of people do have clearances, tens
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: of thousands, It means you've passed a background check. They've
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: interviewed your neighbors, your relatives. They've done your background. They
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: look for your online information. And they determine if you,
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: in fact, are a security risk so that you can
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: learn our nation's secrets. In the FBI, everyone has a
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: top-secret security clearance. But also we have individuals who are
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: defense contractors. You're a naval architect working on the new
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: design for a submarine or the new plane wing for
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: the B-2 bomber. All these people have clearances while they're
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: not in the federal government per se. So there are
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: really tens of thousands of people who have clearances. So
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: what this organization was doing, what the Chinese were doing,
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: was they were using a typical American website, LinkedIn or
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: others similar to it, and they were posting employment for
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: people who had the skill sets to have those jobs completed.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: Which would require government clearances.
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: Of course, in England, there's an Official Secrets Act where
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: you sign something on the dotted line. When you leave
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: a government job or when you leave the FBI and
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: if you had a clearance, there's also a document. It's
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: not so high and mighty sort of a name, but
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: it's a very specific document, which indicates that secrets you have,
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: things you know, will remain with you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: You won't give them to others.
• 25:04
  Speaker 8: So if someone is either fired from a job or
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: just decides to leave or moves and hasn't got a position,
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: but they used to have a clearance, What it looks
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: like the Chinese are aiming at are those kind of
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: people involved in the tech world where they've got clearances
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: and technology skill. The difficulty is they're pitching people in
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: this effort to get their knowledge, their secrets, in a
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: very cold way. That is to say, at one point,
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: they have to say, well, show us examples of things
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: you've written, saying what your skill set is in your
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: particular field.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: And at that point, they.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: should say, well, everything I've written in the past five
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: years was classified for the federal government. But some, right,
• 25:42
  Speaker 8: or secret or top secret or compartmented something. So at
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: one point they may say, well, listen, I'm stuck here
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: in Portland, Oregon.
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: I moved here to be with my wife's family. I
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: don't have a job. I got to get a job.
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: Maybe I just give them one of these papers I
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: had so they see my skill in writing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: And that's the kind of thing they're looking for.
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: But the weakness in that from the other side is
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: that if you give someone your secret or if you
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: realize that's what they want, you report this to your
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: local FBI office or the security officer in the last
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: place where you worked if you're a defense contractor, and
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: that person will put out the alert. They'll say, hey,
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: all you people who are leaving your positions now, whether
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: you're leaving them or looking to leave the position, be
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: aware this is out there. So it could only work
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: maybe one or two times unless someone is really against
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: the U.S., And it can be shut down by having
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: noticed that just like came out. But enough people did
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: it or happened. It happened to them where they were
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: pitched this way that it became known. So all the effort,
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: all the time they put into it. I don't know
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: how much it succeeded, but.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the problem.
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: That was the plan.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem I see as a common sense guy.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: There's there's. Several things. Number one, most people need money.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: And if you leave the government, you don't have the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: job anymore. You really need money. So they become desperate.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And number two, based on everything I've learned in the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: last 10 years with Donald Trump as president, multiple times,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: almost the whole government is against them. They're all communists.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing. I mean, I know it's not
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: 100 percent, but it must be like some very high number.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: that are communists and traitors and willing to sell out
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the United States. They hate the country. They hate capitalism.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: They hate people in private industry. They hate people like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: me who are entrepreneurs, who make money. They hate successful people,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: many of them. Nowadays, it seems like they all hate
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Jews for being Jewish. I mean, it's just crazy how
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: bad the liberal left is. And it seems like everyone
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: in the government is part of the liberal left and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the deep state and the D.C. swamp. So when they
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: put ads like that out, it seems to me there's
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: a high level of probability they're going to find people
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: who are willing to play ball.
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: Well, you know the term fishing expedition. This is, from
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: their side, really a fishing expedition. It's not like you're
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: looking for a search warrant, anything in the house you
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: think might be of interest. You have to name it specifically.
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: Their fishing expedition is going to these people, the kind
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: you mentioned. Some people leave America and go to Ireland.
• 28:01
  Speaker 8: Others leave the job because they just don't want to
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: work for the government or for the president. But most
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: people who are loyal Americans who have the clearance and
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: work for the federal government, it's their job to do
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: their job and also to keep the secrets once they leave.
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: And I know they find out or they realize that
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: if they give away secrets, they can be convicted of espionage,
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: providing someone information covertly or overtly as much as you
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: can to get whatever money you want. But it's the
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: only crime mentioned in the U.S. Constitution where it has
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: a death penalty to go along with it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: That's espionage. And that's what they'd be committing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: All right, so we're talking to Wayne Barnes, 29-year FBI
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: counterintelligence agent. Now, Wayne, you use the same playbook to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: turn sources yourself. In other words, to turn foreign sources
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: into American spies who are spying on our behalf. Is
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: that correct?
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: Hopefully, I'd like to say my efforts were much more
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: sophisticated than a fishing expedition through LinkedIn.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: But you did turn people, but you did turn people
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: for a living, so you understand how it's done.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Right, yes.
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: No, we use the term recruit. You recruit an individual.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: And if you have a Soviet during the Cold War,
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: a KGB officer, and he decides to defect to the West,
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: and we know that that's the case, maybe he's in
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: trouble at home, we'd like to find him, befriend him,
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: recruit him, and understand what his difficulty is. And instead
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: of having him leave the country and come out as
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: an open defector, we'd like to turn him around and
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: send him back. Or if he's in the Soviet embassy
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: in Washington— We'd like to have him just stay in
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: place as long as he can, as long as it's
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: safe for him. So that's a recruitment in place. We'd
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: rather have someone not defect openly if we can possibly
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: do that. So we have cases where we work on
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: individuals during the Cold War, during the era of the
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: Warsaw Pact. We dealt with embassy officials from Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria,
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: and the effort was to recruit them. And you found someone,
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: for instance, in the Czech embassy, a man who was
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: a Czech colonel and charged their intelligence service in the embassy,
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: but he was also a captain in the KGB, had
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: that rank. So people in the bloc embassies would know
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: a lot of what the Soviets were doing besides having
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: the Soviets as targets. So the goal is to recruit
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: one of them. And it isn't much to turn them.
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: That's more like a criminal term when you're talking about
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: someone in a gang, you turn them so they work
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: against their fellow men or their fellow gang members. But
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: so the terms we use are it's a recruitment in place.
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: And it's the defectors. And when you hear about the
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: gymnasts and the rowers, they say, oh, this person defected.
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: They are asylum seekers. In order to be a defector,
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: you have to have intelligence information. Whether you had a clearance,
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: we have to have intelligence data to either to bring
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: with you or that's in your head when you come out.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: So we deal with defectors and intelligence officers.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: All right. So this is a LinkedIn story. But in
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: addition to LinkedIn, how else is Chinese intelligence trying to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: recruit Americans? What other ways are they doing it?
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Well, their system is completely different than ours.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: A number of years ago, a senior intelligence official in China,
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: he was making a presentation at some sort of a
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: meeting where he was wearing an American-style suit. And he
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: was asked about, how do you get information from the West,
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: the U.S.
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: In particular?
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: And he laughed.
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: And he said, we have them covered.
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: Now, if we want to try to cover China, they
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: have an embassy in Washington, D.C.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: They have consulates in various places.
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: And You could try to recruit an intelligence officer who's
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: there or any embassy official, but they have a much
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: more advantageous situation to go against the U.S. So how
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: many American students are exchange students in China working.
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: On a Ph.D.? Not many.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: How many Chinese students are in the U.S.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: Working on a Ph.D.? I mean, the number of students
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: are extraordinary.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: I have worked some cases involving Saudi, not when I
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: encounter intelligence, but I was surprised to learn that there
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: are 18,000 Saudi students in the U.S.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: That's an astonishing number. And the Chinese, I'm sure that
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: it's more.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: So we have documents which we would consider not classified,
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: something which an individual wrote a Ph.D. thesis on, whether
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: it's to do with physics or orbiting a planet or
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: whatever it might be. In places like the Soviet Union,
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: places like China, those things are classified. So you can
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: get things which in their countries would be classified, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: not in our country.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: So it's enormously open.
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: But if you have a driver for Nancy Pelosi, if
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: you have the girlfriend of Congressman Swalwell, if you have
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: other individuals, they're all over. How many Americans are.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Chauffeurs? Working in China.
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: Or an official in China. So they can pepper the
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: continent off. with all sorts of people at different levels. Now,
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: if you remember, many people asked.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: About the show The Americans, which was to a Soviet
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: couple on TV and Netflix or one of those shows
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: where they were illegals. That is to say, they were undercover,
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: pretending to be Americans just for the regular jobs. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: the question is, well, they don't have clearances. Well, what
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: could they do? But they meet people with clearances. They
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: go to the party of FBI agents who lives across
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: the street.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: They hear what he and his friends have in conversation.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: You can learn things, not necessarily with clearances, but about people,
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: about meetings, about concepts. But coming to the U.S., they
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: can have people in positions. You know, if you're Nancy
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: Pelosi's chauffeur, what can you learn? You would be surprised
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: what you can learn.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Well, how about Dianne Feinstein's chauffeur, right? Wasn't there a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: problem with him as well, if I remember correctly, or
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: chief of staff, something like that?
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd be making a mismatch whether it was Pelosi
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: versus Feinstein. But yes, I apologize to whoever it was.
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: But certainly, that's the same idea. And there's a lot
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: that can be learned. Plus, if they want, if they
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: have the technology— They can put, you know, bugs places.
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: You can have the back window sealed up so that
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: if they attack you, you can't get from front to back.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: You can put a listening device there, so it doesn't
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: matter whether the window is sealed. You can still have
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: someone listening. I mean, the espionage back says to be
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: enormously opportunistic in the U.S.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: For these people.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So, Wayne, we're talking here, this entire interview has been
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: about China, China, China, and all their attempts to stick
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: spies in the United States. But my director, Pitar, was
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: just asking me here off to the side, Pitar saying,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: ask Wayne about Iranian intelligence. They must be sticking people
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: inside the United States to spy as well in many,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: many different ways.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: It's not that it's not as sophisticated.
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: It's much more technology with NSA and other organizations. What
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: the military has with what they know about Iran is
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: absolutely extraordinary, plus our allies and the skills and technologies
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: coming out of Ukraine with their various levels of drones,
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: boats that are drones now. I don't know what the
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: status is of counterterrorism and U.S. intelligence against Iran if
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: they're functioning in the U.S. Like, we can't easily go there.
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: We can have people covertly as the CIA or other
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: intelligence organizations.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: But they can easily come here.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: They can easily come here, much more easily than we
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: can go there. It's not that their standards are higher.
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: You just, you know, look at me. I probably can't
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: go there and start speaking Farsi and have them accept
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: the conversation from me.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: So you have.
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: Someone who's ethnically from that country. In this country, your
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: ethnicity hardly makes a difference in many locations.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Well, especially like Beverly Hills. It's known as Little Iran now.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just Iranians everywhere. And I'm sure 99%
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: of them are good Iranians who are escaped to this country.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Many of them are Jewish Iranians who ran away from
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the Muslim radicalism. But there must be a few that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: slip in who are working for the Iranian government and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: are here as spies, I'm sure. You recruited the source
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that took down Robert Henson, who was a FBI trader.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Your book, A Trader in the FBI, The Hunt for
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a Russian Mole, tells that story. Tell us what happened
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: in that story.
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: I've been assigned to Washington, the Washington field office for
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: 18 years. And I had been the security officer for
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: the field office. I had a record number of hours
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: of what we call FaceTime, working undercover operations against harder targets,
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: the Soviets, Romanians, Czechs, Poles, Hungarians, all sorts of people.
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: I wrote a handbook about working undercover counterintelligence. for the
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: newer agents coming in to know how to do it.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: So I had an awful lot of that experience. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: I had debriefed a record, I think, 24 defectors and
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: recruitments in place. So my brain was deeply embedded into
• 36:25
  Speaker 8: that area. And then I had a daughter who was
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: born with a disability. And they said, would you need
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: to go to San Diego, where the children's hospital have
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: the best orthopedic surgeons in the world?
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: So I left all that behind. I was happy to
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: do it regarding my daughter. But so I moved to.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: San Diego and I was away from counterintelligence, working health
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: care fraud and other things. And then one day, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: got a call from an old, old friend from Washington.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: On a Sunday morning, he said, Mike and Dave and
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: I are coming out on Tuesday. Don't tell anybody we're coming.
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: And that's a surprise. That's called undercover of darkness. And
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: the Bureau doesn't do that. But they came out.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: Don't tell your wife. Don't tell the counterintelligence people.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: No one.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: So I met them on a Tuesday, and they said
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: right up front, we have a penetration of the FBI.
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: We have a mole in the FBI working for the KGB.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: And at one point, there was a question whether it
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: was the FBI or the CIA.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: Well, it turns out, obviously, it was the FBI.
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: So they said, there's a Russian who we know knows
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: the face of the man he has seen, the American
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: who's giving secrets to the Russians. They said, he's coming
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: to a film festival in Santa Monica in two months.
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: They said, we want you to go to this film festival,
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: create some kind of backstopping cover, some legend, which would
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: enable you to be there, like a financer of independent films,
• 37:32
  Speaker 8: something like that. But go to the film festival, find
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: this man, meet him, befriend him, recruit him. And then
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: show them photos of a dozen senior agents who we
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: suspect one of them might.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: Be the mole in the FBI. Now, that's really your
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: mission impossible.
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: And when the Soviet was assigned to Washington for four
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: years during the Cold War, it was almost impossible to
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: recruit them.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: So I said, well, gee, how long do I have
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: to do this? And they said, well, the festival lasts
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: for eight days. So we have eight days to do this.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: You're laughing with me, right?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Mission Impossible. There's the movie.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: So Tom Cruise's movies make that point. His obstacles were physical,
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: jumping out of airplanes and motorcycles off of cliffs. Mine
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: was psychological. There were two superpowers, and the Russians believed
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: they belonged to the best superpower, so why would the
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: guy want to talk to me? And the answer is
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: he probably wouldn't, but that is the whole idea of recruiting. Now,
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: I have a dear friend in John Douglas who was
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: the original profiler. He invented profiling. He is a mind hunter,
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: and he had The Criminal Mind Show was based upon
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: him as well. He was creating profiles for people.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: He started with serial murderers.
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: He went to prisons, interviewed all the serial murderers to
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: know what their mindset was. At the same time, parallel
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: to that, but not directly connected, we were profiling people
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: in the various embassies who we wanted to target.
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: And that was... extremely important. You just can't pitch someone
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: in a bathroom.
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: You really have to have a lot of knowledge about
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: the individuals. And in this situation, we had some information
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: about the man, but the idea is I had to
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: go to the film festival and find him and then
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: meet him in a way that he wouldn't think was suspicious.
• 39:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, in the CIA, they have what they call
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: a cold bump. You have an embassy reception, you invite
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: everybody in who wants to come, and someone who came
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: who was a target of yours, you just back around
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: and hit them on the side, oh, excuse me, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: then you start a conversation.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: There couldn't be anything.
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: More obvious of someone who's trying to get close to
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: an interview by having the cold bump.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: We had to do that completely the other way around.
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: We had to find him in a way that would be.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: Unsuspicious to meet him and have him become a friend
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: and then try to deal with it from there.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: But it didn't work in that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: Eight days, but it did eventually work. He did point
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: out a photo. And a couple of years later, Robert
• 39:41
  Speaker 8: Hansen was arrested.
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: So it worked well. But I was retired by then,
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: so I was out.
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: Of the intelligence classification loop when that happened.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: All right, last thing, and then we'll have to say
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: goodbye because we're running out of time. But you mentioned
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a little earlier, this struck me, you mentioned how easy
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it is for China to spy because there's very few
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: American students in China, but there's thousands and thousands, tens
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: of thousands of Chinese students in America. And actually, it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: more than tens of thousands. Last I heard, I believe
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: President Trump talked about 600,000 Chinese students in America. And
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: he said he was going to let them keep going
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: because the university would go broke without them. And I'm
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: a very big pro-Trump guy. I'm a friend of President Trump.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: He made a point of saying at the White House,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Wayne Root never waits a minute. He introduced me to
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the crowd. He said, Wayne Root never waits a minute
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: saying negative things about me. And that's what I appreciate
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: about him. I'll never forget that about you. But I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: about to say something negative about him. I'm allowed to
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: disagree with him once in a while. Why would we
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: let in 600,000 foreign students from China? They're almost likely
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to be, almost all of them, if not most of them,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: are likely to be enemies, spies working for China, bringing
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: back information. I don't want to let them in our country.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Don't you think that's a national security risk to let 600,000
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Chinese students into America? I can't imagine that they let
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: them come here without them being recruited to be spies,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: every one of them. Right.
• 41:03
  Speaker 7: Well, I don't make the rules. It would be different
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: maybe if I did. But here's the deal.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: When they talk about how many Muslims of Islam is
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: a peaceful language and how many bad Muslims.
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: Are, what's the percentage? And if there's, you know, a.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: Billion Muslims in the world, how many of those would
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: be in the U.S. would not be peaceful Muslims? How
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: many students could come over here and not be connected
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: with their services? when we worked for Eastern Bloc countries,
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: not just Russia, but all the other Warsaw Pact, anytime
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: a student came out, even priests, if they were remaining
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: Orthodox priests, and you came to be a priest in
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: a new church in Washington, for instance, you had to be,
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: if not recruited, you had to be at least a
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: person who would do their bidding. And if you came
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: out and you didn't do the bidding, you got sent
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: back or they punished your family. Your wife lost her
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: job back there. So it's the same deal here. The
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: number of Chinese students, they're not all quote, officers, not
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: all working for them. But it doesn't matter what the
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: percentage is. Whatever percentage is, the whole number is simply enormous.
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: And that's really a problem. You can knock it back
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: to half as many, and they would still have that many.
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: But they do commit espionage. They get secrets that don't
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: seem to be significant secrets many times. But someone back
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: there in Beijing is putting all the pieces of the
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: puzzle together, which greatly concerns me.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, when you talk about numbers
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like that, the number I've heard for years now is
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: when it comes to Muslims, about 20 percent of all
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the Muslims in the world are radicalized and want to
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: kill us and want to be terrorists and like it
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: when Americans die, whether it's 20 percent or not. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: hear that's the number. Well, there's two billion Muslims in
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the world. So that means there's 400 million Muslims that
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: want to kill us. That's a really big number. Even
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: if 80 percent are not bad people, that's a huge number,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a scary number. Right.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: That's the problem with an open society. We want to
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: have the open society. And you have to figure out
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: how to filter out, how to keep many out. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: just think as a whole number, there's far too many.
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: But those who come out who they want to live
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: in the West, they want to be honest, decent Americans
• 42:59
  Speaker 8: like these, the World Cup fans that came from Scotland, Australia,
• 43:03
  Speaker 8: the Brits and anyplace else.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: They want to be here. They want to love it here.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: And that's a big deal.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: I just wanted to show you this. This is the book,
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: A Traitor in the FBI, The Hunt for a Russian Mole.
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: It came out April 7th on Amazon. It sold out
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: the first day and was the number one for new
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: release for the rest of the month.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: And it's doing pretty well.
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: But it is that story, how that story ended, resulting
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: in recruiting an intelligence person from the Soviet Union, the
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: former Soviet Union. And it turned out to be a
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: dynamic story.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: You can write fiction, but this one was all true.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: And I'm proud of it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: He's got great stories, a great patriot. He has really
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: bled for his country. Wayne Barnes, 29-year FBI agent. counterintelligence agent.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: His book, A Traitor in the FBI, The Hunt for
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a Russian Mole, a fascinating story. It's more fascinating than
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: even fiction. Real life, very often, more fascinating than fiction,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and Wayne's got the proof. Wayne Barnes, thank you for
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: hanging with us. My pleasure.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: Thank you very much.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: All right, the other Wayne. We've got lots of Waynes here.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Waynes are wild. We'll be right back. I'm Wayne Allyn Root.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: This is War Zone Live. RootForAmerica.com is my website. You
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: can email me anytime, WayneRoot, at gmail.com. And coming up
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: in 15 minutes, I'll be a guest on Steve Bannon's show,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: War Room. Steve Bannon's show coming up with Wayne Allyn Root.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We'll be right back. All right,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: way down the road, Dan Montano is with me. He's
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the CEO of Zichogenesis Medicine, a biotech company developing medicines
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: to treat Parkinson's, type 2 diabetes, and even heart disease.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: And now Zicha has a new breakthrough, exciting to potentially
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: reverse chronic pain. Dan, tell us about your breakthrough that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: could lessen or eliminate the pain for people suffering from neuropathy,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: back pain, or migraine headaches.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Very simple.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: As we've been dosing people for those other indications, they
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: keep reporting to us the pain in their feet is gone.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: The pain in their back is gone. Their migraines have stopped.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: So as we started digging into it more over the
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: last couple of months, we've discovered that nerve regeneration is
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: something our molecule can treat. And we're starting to see
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: people that we dose on Monday and Thursday, their back
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: pain's gone. Their migraines have stopped. So we're now taking
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: that to a medical research study here in Las Vegas.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: A big one for me would be neuropathy foot pain,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: because I have several friends who have lived wonderful lives, successful,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they're CEOs, and they could barely walk anymore because of neuropathy.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: What have you done for that?
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: Well, the people we've dosed for their diabetes have reported
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: after a week or two that they don't have the
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: pain anymore. So we're going to run with that and
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: find out how much of that is true and how much.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Of that we can repeat.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Amazing. What are your next steps?
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Well, we're going to be getting a clearance here in
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Las Vegas to do a medical research study. We'll be
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: doing it primarily for back pain, neuropathy, and headaches, migraine
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: headaches primarily. We'll have that approval probably in 30 to
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: 60 days. And start dosing people here in Vegas.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And you're looking for test patients and investors, correct?
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Same as with the type 2 diabetes. As you know, Wayne,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: you guys generate a lot of subjects for us to test.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: and you also would produce a lot of investors for it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: So we're looking for the same. Chronic back pain is everywhere.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: People have got it, it's serious, and we've been able
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: to alleviate it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I'm excited.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: This could be the biggest thing around.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Dan, why is your approach to treating pain different?
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, we don't treat the, we don't treat,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: we don't camouflage the pain. We treat the nerve that
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: is sick. We heal the nerves. With this white paper,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: which is on the website, cure war.com is phenomenal everybody
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: should be downloading that and reading this like a science
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: fiction novel on how your nerves regenerate that's how we
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: do it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: On the nerves dan montano is the ceo of zcha
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: genesis medicine the website cure-war.com looking for test subjects and
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: investors cure-war.com All right. Wayne Allyn Root. You know, one
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: of my big arguments against illegal immigration is that if
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: they're allowed to break the law, then you and I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: are allowed to break the law. You and I should
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: be able to pick any law that we want. And
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: why limit it to one? But, you know, let's make
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: it reasonable. We should all pick one law, every one
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of us, and we're allowed to break it whenever we want.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: If we don't believe in a law, we can break it.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And I personally don't believe in income taxes. You know,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: over the years, I've paid the IRS millions of dollars.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Last year, I paid them well over $ 100, 000, probably closer
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to $ 200, 000. And over the years, I've paid them millions
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: of dollars. Shouldn't I just be able to say, F it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know the IRS or anything. Why should I
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: follow the law? Illegal aliens don't follow the law. Why
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: should I follow the law? Why should any of us?
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Why can't I drive 100 miles an hour? Because I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: don't have to follow laws. Screw the police. Screw the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: highway patrol. Isn't that what we should say? If you
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: don't think we should say it, then you can't argue logically.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: that most illegal aliens are not criminals, because some of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: them commit crimes. Those are criminals. Okay, I'll let you
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: deport them. But the rest of them should stay because
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: they're good, honest people just trying to better their lives. No,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: they're not. You can't just let someone decide to follow
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: any law they want to and to not follow whichever
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: ones they don't want. If they can do it, then
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I can do it. And pretty soon the whole country
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: will stop paying taxes and the whole country will stop
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: driving at 60 miles an hour. They'll drive at a
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour and everyone will do whatever they
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: want to do. And I guess that is what Democrats want,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: because here's a good example. Here's an elected lawmaker. Where
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: is this? This is in, in Massachusetts, I guess, right? Oh,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: New Hampshire, a Democrat, New Hampshire lawmaker, uh, She's a
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: lead foot driver. She's making the outrageous claim. She was
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: clocked at 107 miles an hour. And by the way,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I'm a speeder, right? I've been a speeder my whole life.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I always go above the speed limit. So I'm going
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: with the traffic. I'm not going 107. Everyone on the
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: road in Vegas goes 85, 80 in the slow lane
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and 85 in the fast lane. And I'm always in
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the fast lane going 85 with everybody else. But she's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: going 107. And even though I'm rationalizing my driving 85,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and I always drive nice sports cars, I've had Aston Martins,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I've had Maseratis, I've had Porsches, I've had Mercedes, BMWs,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: you name it. Nicest cars you could ever drive, and
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I've had them all. And I drive fast. They're meant
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to drive fast, right? But if you get caught, you do,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: you did commit a crime. And you have to pay
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the fine. And the policeman has every right to pull
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you over. And I never try and make excuses. I'm like, yeah,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I was speeding. Okay, give me the ticket. I don't
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: try and make an excuse that I'm different than everybody else.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: You've got to obey the law. And if you don't
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: obey the law, you've got to pay the price. And
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: if you're a foreigner and you broke into the United States,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: you've got to get kicked out. But here's a Democrat
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: lawmaker clocked at 107 miles an hour, and she claims
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: she's immune from speeding laws. I never heard that one before.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I never tried to make that case. Ever in my
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: whole life, a New Hampshire state lawmaker clocked at driving
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: 107 miles per hour, accused of driving 92 miles per
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: hour on the same highway a year later, has been
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: making an audacious argument to avoid legal consequences for speeding.
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  Speaker 1: She's arguing that the state constitution shields her from being
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  Speaker 1: stopped by police while traveling to or from a legislative session.
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  Speaker 1: She's a legislative legislature. She's a legislator in the state legislature.
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  Speaker 1: And she's arguing that when you're driving to or from
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  Speaker 1: a legislative session in the legislature, that you're not you
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: can't be stopped by the police. State Representative Ellen Reed,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: two separate speeding cases, 92 miles an hour and 107
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: miles per hour, claims the sheriff's deputies who stopped her
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  Speaker 1: on Interstate 93 had no authority to detain or charge
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: her since the state's constitution says lawmakers cannot be arrested
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: while traveling to or from the legislature. She has repeatedly
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: asserted legislative privilege. Speaking of Democrats talking about white privilege,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: legislative privilege to ask the charges stemming from two traffic
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  Speaker 1: stops be dismissed on account of the office she holds.
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  Speaker 1: She pressed her case all the way to New Hampshire
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court, which declined in June to hear her appeal
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: at this stage. So it wasn't an emergency. It wasn't
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: life or death. She was just driving to the legislature.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe I would guess she wasn't even doing that. You know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: sometimes policemen drive around. to just get groceries to their
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: family or they drive home and they put the siren on,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the lights on. She may not have even been driving
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to the legislature. Who knows? But in either case, I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: must say that it makes a great argument in the
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: legal alien world, right? I just keep saying, if they
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: can avoid the law, if they don't like the law,
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  Speaker 1: they can break it. And you think it's okay in
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the ACL. You think it's okay and the Democratic Party
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: thinks it's okay. And I'm writing that column. I'll have
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  Speaker 1: that out in the next week. That all of us
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: can choose whatever law we don't like and break it.
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  Speaker 1: I give everyone one law. Break whatever you want. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: it's murder. Maybe it's rape. Whatever you want. You don't
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  Speaker 1: believe in it. You're allowed to break it. If the
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  Speaker 1: illegals can do it, we can do it. And probably
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: the most important one is the IRS. We should all
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: just stop paying taxes. Screw the government. You want to
• 53:20
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• 54:53
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• 55:01
  Speaker 1: and inflation moving in the near future?
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  Speaker 9: Well, nothing's really changed.
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  Speaker 4: We're in an.
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  Speaker 9: inflationary environment. The government deficits are through the roof. The
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: reality is that oil prices may come down, but inflation
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: is going to be with us long term.
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  Speaker 1: How does inflation impact the demand for gold and silver?
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  Speaker 9: Well, the more inflation there is, the more demand there's
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: going to be for gold. People want to get away
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: from their paper assets. They want to hold something that
• 55:36
  Speaker 9: is going to hold its value or appreciate in an
• 55:39
  Speaker 9: inflationary times. And gold and hard assets are the only
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: real thing that are an insurance policy against this type
• 55:48
  Speaker 9: of inflation. And the reality is we may still have
• 55:52
  Speaker 9: rampant inflation. And we saw that under a different administration.
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: And this one's doing OK to try and buckle it down.
• 56:02
  Speaker 9: But long term, government spending is not going to stop.
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: World government spending is not going to stop. And that's
• 56:09
  Speaker 9: going to be good for gold and hard assets into
• 56:13
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  Speaker 1: And world debt is not going to stop. And America's
• 56:17
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• 56:19
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• 56:23
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  Speaker 9: Well, they certainly don't want to buy products that trade
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: or are being offered at big premiums. If you're going
• 56:35
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  Speaker 9: close to the spot price of gold as possible. Right now,
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: we have an anomaly. You can actually buy some fairly
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  Speaker 9: rare coins at no premium or very little premium to
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  Speaker 9: just bullion coins, like $ 20 gold pieces that are 100
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  Speaker 1: Or you can buy.
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  Speaker 9: Bullion coins from us at a very small premium over
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  Speaker 9: the spot price. There's a lot of gimmicks out there,
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  Speaker 9: a lot of companies selling certified gold coins at big
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're not.
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• 59:22
  Speaker 1: in the end, illegal immigration and boys and girls schools
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and transgender this and transgender that, the open border, there's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: a million issues in the world. But to me, the
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: number one issue is making money. I'm like Trump, man,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: making monies in my DNA, making monies in my blood.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: I'm always looking for ways to make more money. In
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: the end, that makes an awful lot of problems go
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: away for the nation and for the middle class and
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: for the people of this country. Making money has got
• 59:49
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• 59:54
  Speaker 1: what really matters. So I've got a great guest for
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you to talk about it. Lost Soldier Oil and Gas
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: has been the sponsor of this show for almost a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: year now. Do you realize? It's been about a year
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: that they've been the sponsor of my podcast, my national
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: radio show, my national TV show on Real America's Voice
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: TV network. And it's really an amazing property. It took
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: 40 years to piece together this 40,000-acre giant gas discovery,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: estimated to contain up to 6 trillion cubic feet of gas,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: making it one of the largest natural gas discoveries in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain region in the last 30 years. And
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: they have a management forecast projecting just the first 25
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: wells to produce 400 million cubic feet per day of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: natural gas. And by 2035, targeted production of over a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: billion cubic feet a day. An amazing forecast. project. And
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I invested in this project not once but twice last year.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I intend to invest a third time this year. And
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to the project. And I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: want to introduce you to the guy who is the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: CEO and the chairman of the board. who invented this project,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Mark Bruner, CEO of Lost Soldier Oil and Gas, the website,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: by the way, lostsoldier.com, lostsoldier.com. Mark, welcome to the show.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't had you on in quite a while. You've
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: been running around the world raising money. You've been in Europe.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: You've been in Switzerland. You've been in Saudi Arabia. You're
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: all over the world. You're an amazing guy. You're always traveling.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: You're always raising money. You're always running your company. You
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: are a busy man like me that's hard to nail
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you down, so it's great to have you back on
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the show.
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  Speaker 4: So wonderful to be with you again, Wayne. Good to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: see you.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So you're a second generation oil and gas man.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: You're actually a second generation oil and gas legend. Your
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: previous public companies, Penteco Energy, produced about 100 to 1
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: for every dollar invested. Investors and stockholders made $ 100. And
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Ultra Petroleum, spectacular return for investors. That one was 1,000
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: to 1 for every dollar invested. People got back 1,000.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: It was one of the biggest stocks of the entire
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: decade of, I think it was the 90s, right? It
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: was the go-go 90s. And that stock was one of
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: the highest flyers on Wall Street. So Lost Soldier is
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing company. project. But tell people why it's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: so amazing, why I guess you think it's even bigger,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: biggest to your career that would make it bigger than
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Penteco or Ultra Petroleum. Ultra Petroleum, a thousand to one
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: return on investment. And you say this is the biggest
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: to your career. What do you base that on?
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  Speaker 6: Well, when I compare it with Ultra Petroleum, it has
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: a sequence of regionally pervasive sands where we can see
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: based on the seismic interpretation, we can drill up to
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: 500 horizontal wells so far that we can see. And
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: the other wonderful thing is that no one can drill
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 6: this for 50 years. We've known where all the basins
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 6: are for 50 years. All of them have been drilled,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: as far as I know, except this one. because there's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: a uranium mine out here that was whenever Three Mile
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: Island melted down in the early 80s. They started reclamating
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: this mine. Kennecott did it three years ago. They finished
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: the reclamation. I got a call.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: I drilled it.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: And as they say, the rest is history. Certainly the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: largest gas field I've ever found. Right now, if you
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 6: compare it with some of the other basins, there's thousands
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 6: of feet of layer cake type, regionally pervasive, overpressured sands.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: It's very much like the Haynesville and the Utica.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: If any of you have heard of those plays, you've
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: probably heard of a guy named Jerry Jones that owned
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: the Dallas Cowboys. That's like his number one play now,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: the Western Haynesville. And I would encourage everyone to compare
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: what we have with the Western Haynesville because I think
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: it certainly is.
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  Speaker 4: Comparable. The difference here is we're the only operator. No
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: one else is in here. It's just us.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: We made the discovery ourselves. We have legacy infrastructure that is.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: On its last rose. We can tie into all that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: legacy infrastructure.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: We're laying a five-mile line to start producing gas this year.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: And the plan is when we finish this private placement
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: to be producing about 400, 500 million cubic feet a day,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: 300 million a year in cash flow within 36 months.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: And then we plan to build a 42 to 46
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: line 50 miles away to the trading hook one center,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 6: about 10 times that. There's another guy named Warren Buffett
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: that's looping on that line that's going out to California.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: So, you know, as you all know, he's no fool.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: So he's going to send all his gas out to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: Pacific Corp and the West Coast.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: So we hope to be able to do that, too. Anyway,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: that's pretty much a summary, Wayne.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: So give me some new updates, because remember, I'm one
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: of your investors. I invested not once but twice last year.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Very big, healthy investments, by the way, from Wayne Root.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: And I plan to invest again this year. What's happened
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: between the last time we spoke on TV, which is probably...
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: six months ago, although you've had your president of your
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: company and your COO talking to me on TV as well.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: But you were busy traveling. Give us some updates from
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: last year. What exciting things have happened? And tell me
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: what will happen this year in the year 2026.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: Well, I think, you know, one of the things that
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: we've done is that you're always looking for permits to drill.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: You're always looking for right of ways and other things
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: in order to be able to lay the pipelines.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: All this is completed, okay? It's finished, okay?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: And so we're going to start building this pipeline sometime
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: in July when what we call the winter stips are
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: off and we can get in here and lay that pipeline.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: We think it'll take, you know, 45 to 60 days
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: to finish the pipeline.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: Then we'll be producing gas, okay?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: So that's going to happen this year. We're very excited
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: about that. The other thing that I think is important
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: is that we have a deal with the federal government.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: All the leases that we have, they're federal and state leases,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: they've been put into what we call a federal unit,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: which means that it's all those different leases, we have
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: like 56 of them, they're one lease now. It means
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: that we can orderly develop this gas field with the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: cooperation of the federal government. They've stamped the deposit commercial.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: So all those things have happened. And, yeah, we think
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: we're going to be able to do that. We're hoping
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: to be able to drill some of the deep overpressure horizontals.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: This year, at least one, maybe two of those.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: We're anticipating 50 million a day plus wells. They're going
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: to be expensive. You know, they're $ 20 million to $ 30
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: million apiece. But when you're producing those kind of rates,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: they pay out very quickly.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, possibly within a year.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: So something, you know, the field next to us, Wall
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: Soldier Field, which I named my company after, that field's
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: been producing for over 100 years, produced 450 million.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: Barrels, still does 3,500 barrels a day. And so....
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: Some of the deeper stuff that we're looking for and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: we think we'll find, we'll find some of those this
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 6: year as well. So very exciting times for us. And
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: by the way, we also drill more, not drilling for ourselves, Enbridge,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: which transports about 30% of the natural gas to the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: United States. And actually, we're entering into a 23 oil
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: contract with them. I think that would speak very highly
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: of our drilling people and their abilities. And, you know,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: we're very excited about that relationship with them as well.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: So we're going to be having revenue out of our
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: drilling company, out of our pipeline company, out of our
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: working interests. And those people that invest will also enjoy
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 6: a package of overriding royalty as well.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: And don't forget, the thing that got me was, you know,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I have seen a lot of potential in my life.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I think this is the most potential I've ever seen.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: But potential is one thing that doesn't mean you ever deliver.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: You have a track record that's amazing. That's great. Pinnacle,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Ultra Petroleum, very impressive. That was a decision pusher for me.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: And then... Of course, what else can you invest in?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Like if I put $ 100, 000 into stocks and those stocks
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: happen to go down, I would get no tax break.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: It would do nothing for me until the day they
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: went back up. You get a $ 3, 000 deduction on stock
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: losses in a given year. But with oil and gas,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: it's the most generous investment tax deduction you can ever get.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: It's 70% right off the first year you invest. So
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: if I put $ 100, 000 in, I get a $ 70, 000 tax
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: deduction on my tax return in the first year and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: the other 30 over the next, I think, three years, right?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty impressive.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: There's been a change. It's 100% now, not 70% under
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: the Trump tax bills. But that's for.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: This year coming up to 2026. I invested in 2025,
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  Speaker 1: so I have to go by the old rules, I assume.
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  Speaker 6: I think the other thing, too, is that the viewers
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  Speaker 6: need to realize that we don't have to process.
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  Speaker 1: Any of this.
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  Speaker 4: This is 93% methane.
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  Speaker 1: CH4, so no processing.
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  Speaker 6: We don't have to build any plants. When we put
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  Speaker 6: it into the pipeline, it can go directly into homes.
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  Speaker 6: We have people contacting us about putting in data centers.
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  Speaker 6: There's a lot of options here that we're going to
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  Speaker 6: be looking at, Wayne. So we'll keep you updated as
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  Speaker 6: things happen this year.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Data centers would seem to be the way
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  Speaker 1: to go. That's all anyone talks about now is data
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  Speaker 1: centers and how much they they use so much energy. Well,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you've got the energy for them. So it would seem
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  Speaker 1: like would be a profit center. Last thing for accredited
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: investors want to learn more and get involved. They go
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: to Lost Soldier dot com and then what happens? Someone
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: gets back to them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get back to them.
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  Speaker 6: We'll give them the information so they can access all
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  Speaker 6: the information.
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  Speaker 4: We'll answer their questions. And, you know, we look at
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  Speaker 4: all our investors as a family.
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  Speaker 6: The Lost Soldier family is quite what we need to say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, with my big investment, I'd better be a good
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: family member. I'd better be loved. Better be loved, Mark.
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  Speaker 4: We'll let you move in. We'll let you move in.
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  Speaker 1: Second home in Wyoming. Lostsoldier.com. Lostsoldier.com. Go there. Give them
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: your contact information. They'll get right back to you and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: show you how you can be involved. It's the right project,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: right time, the right president, the right energy secretary, the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: right CEO. Mark Bruner with an incredible, spectacular past record.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. Lostsoldier.com.