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Bengals Booth Podcast: Second Chance · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi again everybody on dan Hord and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The a hot needs a Second
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  Speaker 1: Chance addition as the Bengals look to shine in primetime
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  Speaker 1: in their second preseason game as they face the Washington Commanders.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up, I'll go one on one with rookie Seth McLaughlin,
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  Speaker 1: who appears likely to make his Bengals debut on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: A Cincinnati Reds pitcher discusses his love for the Orange
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  Speaker 1: and Black in Former UC and NFL quarterback turned talk
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  Speaker 1: show host Tony Pike joins me for an in depth
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  Speaker 1: look at where things stand for the Bengals roughly three
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  Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since
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  Speaker 1: my first big break. Last weekend, I received an incredible
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  Speaker 1: honor as I was inducted into the Syracuse Baseball Wall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame. I attended Syracuse University dreaming of a career
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  Speaker 1: in sports broadcasting, and the most significant break of my
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  Speaker 1: career was when the late Tech Simone and his son
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  Speaker 1: John hired me to be the voice of the Triple
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  Speaker 1: A Syracuse Chiefs. I was a kid, I was twenty
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  Speaker 1: one years old and it was about a month before
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  Speaker 1: college graduation. Everybody needs somebody to believe in them, and
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  Speaker 1: I will always be grateful that the Simones believed in me.
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea how my care would have turned
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  Speaker 1: out if not for that opportunity. So as much as
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  Speaker 1: I am honored to be on the Wall of Fame,
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  Speaker 1: I am particularly grateful for the people that helped put
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  Speaker 1: me on the path to getting there. Now, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to football. One of the most intriguing undrafted rookies on
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals roster is offensive lineman Seth McLaughlin. He started
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  Speaker 1: twenty five games at Alabama, including a National championship game,
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  Speaker 1: before transferring to Ohio State last year, where he won
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  Speaker 1: the Remington Trophy as the best center in college football.
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  Speaker 1: But at a Tuesday practice before the Buckey's eleventh game,
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  Speaker 1: Seth tore as achilles, causing him to miss the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the season and go undrafted. He signed with the
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  Speaker 1: Bengals shortly after the draft as a free agent. With
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  Speaker 1: Ted Garris entering the final year of his contract at
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  Speaker 1: age thirty two, there could be a need at center
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  Speaker 1: as soon as next year, and McLaughlin could put potentially
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  Speaker 1: be in the mix if Ted's not back. Seth's completed
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  Speaker 1: rehab and started practicing, and I caught up with him
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  Speaker 1: this week. Seth, it sounds like a strong possibility that
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  Speaker 1: you will play on Monday night in the Washington game.
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  Speaker 1: It would be almost nine months to the day since
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  Speaker 1: you suffered your torn achilles last year at Ohio State.
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  Speaker 1: How close to normal do you feel at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, each day I'm getting closer. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'm percent back yet, but I think I'm getting close.
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  Speaker 1: When the Bengals signed you, I thought that maybe it
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  Speaker 1: would be kind of a red shirt ear situation where
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  Speaker 1: you were learning and rehabbing and getting ready for the
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  Speaker 1: following year, but you seem determined to try to play
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  Speaker 1: this year if you can.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a competitor. I want to get out
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  Speaker 2: there as soon as I can, and I don't like
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  Speaker 2: sitting on the sidelines and not helping a team win.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm trying to do everything in my power to
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  Speaker 2: help the team win this year, in whatever capacity that
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  Speaker 2: is that the team thinks.
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  Speaker 1: Achilles injuries seem like they're so random. We see it
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  Speaker 1: in basketball where a guy just plants his foot and
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  Speaker 1: it happens. How did it happen to you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just a scout period in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of practice, stepping my right just trying to get the
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  Speaker 2: scout team noseguard out of the A gap, and my
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  Speaker 2: heel just dropped and it popped, and h it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of just random.
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  Speaker 4: How gruesome.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't really hurt. Surprisingly, it was kind of just scary.
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  Speaker 2: I well, I just popped up and I thought my
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  Speaker 2: guard had stepped on me. And then I went to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, walk and something felt off. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: after seeing like the Aaron Rodgers injury, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly how that looked, is exactly how this felt.
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  Speaker 2: So at that point in time, I knew exactly what
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  Speaker 2: had happened.
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  Speaker 1: We're visiting the Bengals center Seth McLaughlin. You took part
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  Speaker 1: in one on one pass rushing drills this week, got
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  Speaker 1: matched up against McKinley Jackson, who's three point thirty and
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  Speaker 1: strong as an ox. He tried to bull rush you,
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  Speaker 1: and you held your ground just fine. Did that convince
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  Speaker 1: you in your own mind that your achilles is fine
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  Speaker 1: and you're good to go?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was definitely a test that I was look and
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  Speaker 2: forward to whenever that first big bull rush was gonna
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  Speaker 2: come and seen how it reacted. And you know, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't even like a thought in my mind of like,
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  Speaker 2: oh be careful here, just it felt natural.
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  Speaker 5: It felt good to some on bull rush.
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  Speaker 1: You suffered that injury in late November before Ohio State's
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  Speaker 1: eleventh game of the season, and you still won the
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  Speaker 1: Rimington Trophy as the best center in college football. It's
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  Speaker 1: named for a former Bengal, Dave Remington. What did the
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  Speaker 1: award mean to you in light of the circumstances.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a huge honor.
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  Speaker 2: At mid season, I was already you first team All
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  Speaker 2: American and all these mid season awards. So I think
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  Speaker 2: my ten games of play deserved to win the award,
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  Speaker 2: and it's cool that they still gave it, gave it
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  Speaker 2: to me after not playing the final two regular season games,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a huge honor. It was a testament to
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  Speaker 2: all the work I put in that offseason, you know,
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  Speaker 2: trying to rebound a narrative that had already been built
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  Speaker 2: on me, and I got to.
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  Speaker 5: Prove who I was as a player.
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  Speaker 1: It happened before the Indiana game the next week was
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  Speaker 1: miss again. How difficult was that to be a Buck
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  Speaker 1: guy for one year and not to play in the game.
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  Speaker 2: One of the biggest games I was looking forward to
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  Speaker 2: was playing in that game, especially, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: after a Rose Bowl loss to at Alabama to Michigan
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  Speaker 2: that year and I kind of wanted to go out.
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  Speaker 2: That was like the last redeeming moment that I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was looking forward to, having didn't get to play in it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's thinks that that game went the way
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  Speaker 2: it did, but I think we we redeemed ourselves in
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  Speaker 2: the in the playoffs, and you know, those rings will last.
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  Speaker 1: Forever, no question about that. So you spent one year
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  Speaker 1: in Ohio State, the previous four at Alabama. What do
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  Speaker 1: you consider yourself a former Buck Guy, a former Crimson Tide?
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  Speaker 4: What are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a loaded question because there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of emotions that go into that. I got two
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  Speaker 2: degrees from Alabama. I love the University of Alabama, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but I really made a name for myself in a
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  Speaker 2: legacy for myself at Ohio State. With with all the
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  Speaker 2: things that I did my last year, I mean Alabama,
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  Speaker 2: I'd still been a part of a national championship team.
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  Speaker 2: I'd won three SEC championship starting two of those. Have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of hardware and a lot of good feelings
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  Speaker 2: from my time there. But I think I really cemented
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  Speaker 2: myself as a Buckeye the last year.
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  Speaker 1: You also started in a college football playoff win over
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  Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati. That game has not remembered so
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  Speaker 1: finally here, but that was one of the first starts
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  Speaker 1: of your college career.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was my second start.
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  Speaker 2: That was an awesome experience, you know, playing in at
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  Speaker 2: and T Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Nerves going into that game, just you know, after that
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  Speaker 2: first after my first start, I think I got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of confidence, but you know, going into a playoff
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  Speaker 2: game when you didn't really expect to play the whole year,
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  Speaker 2: was definitely exciting opportunity played well, We ran the ball
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  Speaker 2: incredibly well. That game kept it out of you know,
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  Speaker 2: sass Gardner's hands on the outside.
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  Speaker 5: So that's definitely a really fond memory for me.
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  Speaker 1: Your memory is right on the money. You guys ran
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  Speaker 1: for more than three hundred yards in that game. If
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  Speaker 1: not for your injury last year, you surely would have
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  Speaker 1: been drafted. After the draft, ESPN rank you as the
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  Speaker 1: best available player still on the board. In a sense,
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  Speaker 1: was it a bit of a silver lining? I know
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  Speaker 1: you would have loved to be drafted, but because of that,
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  Speaker 1: you were able to choose a team where you know
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  Speaker 1: that there could be an opportunity in the relatively near future.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: God has a God has a way of doing things,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 2: I definitely went into I went into day two expecting
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  Speaker 2: that I might get picked up by somebody. Went to
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  Speaker 2: day three pretty confident I was going to get drafted
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  Speaker 2: and not sure what happened. But you know, God's got
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  Speaker 2: his plan and I'm on his timing and whatever that entails.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he he led me to Ohio State when
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  Speaker 2: I earned the transfer portal. I never really thought about
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  Speaker 2: going to Ohio State in the first place, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: he closed all the doors that I thought that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go down and opened up Ohio State, which
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know was an option. And it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the same thing with the Bengals. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really think of, like, oh, the Bengals, it'd be
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  Speaker 2: a great opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't really realize how how good of an opportunity
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  Speaker 5: it was.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, to learn and be in such a great
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  Speaker 2: offense and learn from these coaches who are incredible at
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  Speaker 2: what they do.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm happy with with how it turned out.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just another thing for me to overcome, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm fine with that.
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  Speaker 5: I've I've done it a.
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  Speaker 2: Few times in my career and I'm trying to do
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  Speaker 2: it again.
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  Speaker 1: The starting center here is Ted karras ten year VET captain,
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  Speaker 1: started every game at center the last three years here.
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  Speaker 1: What if anything have you learned from Ted?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ted's a super intense guy. You know, He's taken
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  Speaker 2: notes on literally everything that's said. It's just the level
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  Speaker 2: of detail that it takes to play at this level.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've picked up from him early on, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm you know, i'd be excited to learn from him
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  Speaker 2: in the season, how he game plans and stuff, because
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  Speaker 2: I had to be invaluable after all the guys that
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  Speaker 2: he's been around and kind of how.
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  Speaker 5: He's morphed into the player he is.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be an awesome, you know, honor to learn from
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  Speaker 2: him the rest of the season and you know, just
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  Speaker 2: keep working at getting back from this injury and and
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  Speaker 2: start playing really good football.
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  Speaker 1: Ted of course has the sense he hat all of
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  Speaker 1: the proceeds go to charity. You did something similar at
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State, correctly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mid run the den ball hats, but that
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  Speaker 2: work out for uh, for this organization. So I'll definitely,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do something once I'm more established. And that's
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  Speaker 2: one of my main things. I love giving back and
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of why we play the game,
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  Speaker 2: is to help others, and it's not just an entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: It's there's a duty to the community that I, you know,
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  Speaker 2: feel strongly about. So, yeah, I'm trying to work to
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  Speaker 2: the point where i'm you know, hopefully I'm good enough
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  Speaker 2: where I can have enough reach to help others.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 1: Look forward to seeing you in action, whether it's Monday
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  Speaker 1: night or shortly after that.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks so much, Seth, Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like there's an undrafted free agent rookie every
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  Speaker 1: year that winds up making a significant impact, and last
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  Speaker 1: year there were several. Ryan Rico said franchise punting records,
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  Speaker 1: Muma johng Meta played in every game and was a
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  Speaker 1: major contributor on special teams, and Cam Grandy started six
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  Speaker 1: games as a second tight end. We'll see if Seth
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  Speaker 1: McLaughlin or another undrafted rookie winds up doing something similar
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  Speaker 1: this year. On Wednesday of this week, an interesting group
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  Speaker 1: watched the Bengals practice from the sideline. They were members
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  Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Reds, including Nick Martinez, Emilio Pagan, Matt McClain,
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  Speaker 1: and Brent Sudor. It was especially meaningful for Suitor, who
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  Speaker 1: attended Moller High School and lives in Cincinnati year round.
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  Speaker 1: All right, as a Cincinnati kid, Is this cool for you?
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  Speaker 3: It is? That's an understaving for sure. This is so
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  Speaker 3: cool week.
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  Speaker 6: My wife and the kids and I came into the
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  Speaker 6: public practice a couple of weeks ago, an absolute blast,
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  Speaker 6: But this is next level. We are you know, literally
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  Speaker 6: it's standing shoulders shoulder of all the all the studs
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  Speaker 6: out there.
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  Speaker 3: So this is Jiam come true for Bengals fan.
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  Speaker 6: I've been a Bengals fan since I moved here in
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  Speaker 6: second grade, so this is definitely I'm pinching myself today.
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  Speaker 1: Professional athletes recognize greatness and other professional athletes, which your
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  Speaker 1: view of Burrough, Chase, etc.
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  Speaker 6: Just like you said, great some of the best players
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  Speaker 6: in the league. Maybe it'll they'll go down to some
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  Speaker 6: of the best players at the position and in the
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  Speaker 6: history of the game. So such an exciting time to
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  Speaker 6: be a Bengals fan to watch this greatness kind of
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  Speaker 6: unfold every every Sunday. These guys are signed, committed to
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  Speaker 6: this city, committed to this franchise for the years to come.
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  Speaker 6: And I'm same thing. I'm pinching myself just getting to
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  Speaker 6: watch these guys in the offseason. I always love when
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  Speaker 6: football season comes around. It's so fun to watch these
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  Speaker 6: guys compete. It's a great sport just going, you know,
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  Speaker 6: every play, max effort, toe to toe. It's kind of
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  Speaker 6: like baseball where every pitch matters like crazy that everyone's
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  Speaker 6: fighting for the life. But it's like eleven guys doing
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  Speaker 6: instead of three, you know, every play.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a really cool sport.
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  Speaker 6: And it always reminds me of the offseason, which is
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  Speaker 6: just a great time for all, you know, all athletes
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  Speaker 6: to kind of rejuvenate. So it's it's I love Bengals football,
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  Speaker 6: and I love that Zach Taylor invited us out here.
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  Speaker 3: We're so appreciative.
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  Speaker 1: You've got about twelve players here. It looks like, how
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  Speaker 1: did that come about?
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  Speaker 3: We got a.
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  Speaker 6: Text yesterday from Jim Are kind of our court players,
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  Speaker 6: liaison coordinator sent a Texic, Hey, Zach Taylor is inviting
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  Speaker 6: us for the kind of a player's only, like a
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  Speaker 6: VIP access to the practice.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone up? And I said, yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 6: The Pope Catholic And I said, I'm going, babe, I'll
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  Speaker 6: wake up with the kids.
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  Speaker 3: Just give me this hour, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So I was really really excited to jump on this opportunity.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, opportunity of a lifetime for Cincinnati fan, Cincinnati
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  Speaker 6: kid watching Bengals practice like this is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Did you come to games as a kid, and if so,
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  Speaker 1: any specific memories.
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  Speaker 3: I sure did some great games.
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  Speaker 6: Unfortunately, I was there at the playoff game when Carson
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  Speaker 6: Palmer tours towards knee up. That was a big I've
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  Speaker 6: never seen air go out of a stadium like that,
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  Speaker 6: so I definitely remember that. But I was there the game.
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  Speaker 6: What's his name did that backflip in the Simpson room.
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  Speaker 6: Simpson did the backflip. That was amazing. I was there
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  Speaker 6: Burrows almost perfect game against the Ravens a couple of
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  Speaker 6: years ago, So I've been in some really really cool moments.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think I was able to get to a
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  Speaker 6: game last year, but two years ago, three years ago.
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  Speaker 6: My wife at season tickets from like fourteen to nineteen,
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  Speaker 6: so I was there all the time those years. So
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  Speaker 6: a lot of good memories of pay Corps.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great place.
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  Speaker 1: What was your Super Bowl experience in twenty twenty one?
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  Speaker 3: Did you watch with friends?
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  Speaker 4: Family?
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  Speaker 3: What? How did you watch?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a kind of a family and friends
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  Speaker 6: party every round of the playoffs at our house, and
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  Speaker 6: then we just kept it going. We thought about, you know,
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  Speaker 6: last minute, buying some flights and getting out there for
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  Speaker 6: the game, but decided against it. We you know, we
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  Speaker 6: had two boys at the time, so we instead we
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  Speaker 6: just posted kind of did the same thing had family
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  Speaker 6: and friends over at our house and it was a
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  Speaker 6: great game. Unfortunately we didn't, you know, come out on top,
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  Speaker 6: but what a fun run that was. Memories for a
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  Speaker 6: lifetime for sure.
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  Speaker 1: As we have this conversation, the Reds are two games
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  Speaker 1: out of the final wildcard spot. The team has obviously
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  Speaker 1: built up a great young nucleus. It seems realistic to
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  Speaker 1: me that both of these franchises could have great periods
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  Speaker 1: coming in the next five to six years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I absolutely agree.
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  Speaker 6: You know, obviously, with the Bengals signing these great players
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  Speaker 6: to long term deals, and then with us, we got
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  Speaker 6: you know, Ellie locked up for four or five more years.
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  Speaker 6: Man McLain's locked up for a bunch of years. We
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  Speaker 6: got you know, Abbid Lodolo Undergreen. These guys are here
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  Speaker 6: with these guys are Reds for years, and we're so excited.
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  Speaker 3: We have a great rotation.
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  Speaker 6: I really like our bullpen, I love our position player group,
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  Speaker 6: love our defensive units. So the same thing with the
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  Speaker 6: Bengal left to love the team. So yeah, I think
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  Speaker 6: you're right. We're heading into hopefully.
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  Speaker 3: A golden era of Cincinnati sports here coming up.
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  Speaker 1: It's been fun to visit and enjoy practice.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Great to be here.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Bents in his tenth major League season and second with
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  Speaker 1: the Reds, and at age thirty five, he still appears
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: to have plenty left in his left arm. His three
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: point five to one ERA is basically the same as
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: his career ERA of three point four six. Before getting
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• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati recently announced that former Bearcat quarterback Tony Pike is
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  Speaker 1: going into the school's Athletic Hall of Fame this year.
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  Speaker 4: It's a well deserved daughter for.
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  Speaker 1: The quarterback that led youc to the Orange and Sugar
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  Speaker 1: Bowls in two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 1: Tony is a sports talk show host these days and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: has been in attendance at nearly every Bengals training camp practice.
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  Speaker 1: I picked his brain about camp and the upcoming season. Tony,
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  Speaker 1: there have been fourteen training camp practices. You have attended
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  Speaker 1: most of them. There's also been one preseason game. Has
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  Speaker 1: your belief in the Bengals ability to compete for a
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl title increased, decreased or remain the same based
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  Speaker 1: on what you've seen and explain why.
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  Speaker 7: For me, it's always it's increasing because we know what
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  Speaker 7: the offense is and it didn't take you long. It
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: took two drives exactly, maybe even one against Philadelphia to
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  Speaker 7: know that the offense is picking up right where they
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  Speaker 7: left off. And I think they have, believe it or not,
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  Speaker 7: more weapons. I think Chase Brown, he spent so much
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: of the offseason working as a three down back, catching passes,
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  Speaker 7: pass protection. He looked unbelievable. They're getting good production. I
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  Speaker 7: think TODs Brooks is going to be a really nice
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  Speaker 7: addition to this team. I love the fact that they're
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: going to be able to utilize twelve personnel more with
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  Speaker 7: Noah Fan and Mike Kasicki, because last year, before Eric
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  Speaker 7: All got injured, they liked twelve personnel. I think that's
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  Speaker 7: good for Joe Burrow it helps the protection, it opens
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  Speaker 7: things up, and then defensively, I know it wasn't what
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  Speaker 7: you wanted to see against Philadelphia, but if you're there
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: every day, I think it's hard to argue that they're
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: getting better defensively every day. If you've got to think,
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: you've got a brand new defensive coordinator with a brand
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  Speaker 7: new scheme trying to implement with a lot of moving parts,
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  Speaker 7: a rookie on the defensive line, a rookie at linebacker.
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  Speaker 7: You've got young safeties, you got young quarter There's so
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: much youth on this team that have known one way
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  Speaker 7: since they've been in the NFL well, and now they're
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  Speaker 7: getting it a different way. And I love the way
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  Speaker 7: they've competed. I love that they play with intensity. At times,
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  Speaker 7: you feel like there's a chip on the shoulder of
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  Speaker 7: the defense when they're going against that number one offense
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  Speaker 7: in practice. So I think all the signs that you're
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  Speaker 7: seeing are moving in the right direction there.
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  Speaker 1: Lou Anarumo did a lot of good things, says the
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  Speaker 1: Bengals defensive coordinator. They don't get to the super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one if the defense didn't carry them
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  Speaker 1: in those three playoff wins. So I almost feel guilty
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  Speaker 1: saying this, but watching Al Golden over these fourteen practices
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  Speaker 1: has almost made me reconsider how good lou An Arumo
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  Speaker 1: was because things just look that much better to me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you agree with that at all?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know not.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to spin everything back to UC. But
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: I was talking to Moegar about this. There was a
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  Speaker 7: time when you remember when it was Kobe Bryant, it
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: was Brian Cook, it was Sauce Gardner, and you'd watch
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  Speaker 7: them practice and you'd watch them play, and they just
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  Speaker 7: carried themselves in a way of confidence and they flew
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  Speaker 7: around the field. And a little bit of that when
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  Speaker 7: I watch this defense, because as the confidence grows in
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  Speaker 7: what you're doing, you see that speed on the field,
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  Speaker 7: you know, start to separate itself. And I think early
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  Speaker 7: on there's a little hesitation because everything's new, and in sports,
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  Speaker 7: especially football, if you are unsure of what your responsibility is,
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  Speaker 7: you just you move slower. You tend to try to
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  Speaker 7: process everything instead of just going out getting ready to
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  Speaker 7: snap and then and then going and playing. And when
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  Speaker 7: this defense has started to implement, I hate the term
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  Speaker 7: dumbing it down because it's not dumbing it down. But
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  Speaker 7: it's more base personnel. It's allowing guys to go one
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  Speaker 7: on one and make plays. But more than anything, it's
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  Speaker 7: allowing guys to play confidently. They play free, and they
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  Speaker 7: play fast, and you can almost see the moments in
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  Speaker 7: practice that it starts to click with guys where it's like,
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: man that looked like another speed for Logan Wilson. Man
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: that looked like Tyson, Anderson is figuring it out right there.
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  Speaker 7: We've raved about Shamar Stewart, but man, okay, Josephos flash.
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  Speaker 7: There's players that flash at different times because you never
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  Speaker 7: know when it's going to click for someone because install
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: is such a mental game. But when it does, there's
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  Speaker 7: a speed and there's an urgency of separation that you
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  Speaker 7: start to see with these guys.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: We are visiting the former you see quarterback Tony Pike.
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  Speaker 1: We're having this conversation three weeks and three days before
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  Speaker 1: the regular season opener in Cleveland. What is your biggest
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: concern at this point on each side of the ball.
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  Speaker 7: Anytime you hear the term soft tissue injury, I don't
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: care what sport or how delicate, it is safety on
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  Speaker 7: defense because that's the leader of the defense. That's the
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: last line of defense, and what I think the defense
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  Speaker 7: can capitalize on is just being a sound defense from
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: the back to the front to not have the big
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  Speaker 7: plays that are given up. If you give up a
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  Speaker 7: couple short yardage plays or a team's got to go
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  Speaker 7: fifteen plays on you so be it, and then you
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: bow up in the red zone and you get stops
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  Speaker 7: like I think Al Golden has done a good job
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  Speaker 7: with during training camp.
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  Speaker 4: You can't give up big play.
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  Speaker 7: And I know you want to get after the passer,
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  Speaker 7: but at the back end of the defense, you got
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  Speaker 7: to have a guy that's gonna make sure not only
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  Speaker 7: he's in the right spot, but all other ten guys
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  Speaker 7: are in the right spot as well, and make sure
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  Speaker 7: the communication is where it needs to be. So safety
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  Speaker 7: a little bit still for me. On defense offense, I
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  Speaker 7: still think it's the guard position. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 7: Dylan Fairchild's position because I was extremely impressed with him
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  Speaker 7: against Philadelphia. I've also extremely impressed with him watching him
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  Speaker 7: in practice because now you know the defense is running
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  Speaker 7: some more stunts, it's not as basic one on one rush,
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  Speaker 7: and he's picking everything up. The athleticism, the footwork is there,
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  Speaker 7: it's the other guard spot for me? Is it Lucas Patrick?
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: Is it Cody Ford? How's that going to pan itself out?
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  Speaker 7: Because we know what everything else is. We know what
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: the tight ends and the running backs and the wide receivers.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: We surely know what the quarterback is. To me, it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: it's still that guard position because if that gets shirt
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  Speaker 7: up and you feel good about that going to Cleveland,
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: this offense can do crazy things.
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  Speaker 1: And it certainly looks like it's going to be Lucas
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  Speaker 1: Patrick for the last couple of weeks. Now he's the
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  Speaker 1: only guy that's been in there with the ones. Most recently,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Cody Ford has been practicing as the swing tackle, his
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  Speaker 1: primary job last year. So again, we've still got three
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  Speaker 1: weeks and three days from the opener, but it appears
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  Speaker 1: that Lucas Patrick has become the guy.
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  Speaker 7: And we talk all the time about Al Golden. You
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  Speaker 7: got Scott Peters, who's a new O line coach. So
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: now you've got a new scheme on the offensive line,
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: You've got new techniques that you're teaching. And I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: we are all guilty of it at some point of
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: just getting caught up in the moment because you want
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: to react to everything that's happening, especially in the media.
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  Speaker 7: I'm at times reporting for five hours a day and
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: then five different calls. You've got to have something to
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  Speaker 7: talk about, and at times I think you get caught
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  Speaker 7: up and just focusing on the day and not realizing
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: he's still got three weeks and some change before the
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  Speaker 7: first game. There are going to be growing pains anytime
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: you bring in a new system, but as you continue
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  Speaker 7: to grow, I think you have a chance to learn
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  Speaker 7: from it. There was a point in practice where Shamar
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: Stewart and we all know the play, beat Lucas Patrick
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  Speaker 7: on a stunt and everyone makes a big deal about
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  Speaker 7: that play, but that same stunt was run later in
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  Speaker 7: practice and Lucas Patrick stuffed him. He stuffed Shamar Stewart
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  Speaker 7: where he was, so to me, he's learning from the
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  Speaker 7: mistake and they're going to continue to go through some
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: growing pains, but there's still a lot of time between
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  Speaker 7: now in the season.
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  Speaker 1: You reference the soft tissue injury that Geno Stone is
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  Speaker 1: dealing with. Did that expose a lack of depth at
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  Speaker 1: safety more than maybe we even thought about.
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  Speaker 4: I think it did.
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  Speaker 7: And then I think the follow up with coach Zach
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  Speaker 7: Taylor of saying, we got to figure out who we
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  Speaker 7: have back there and what we have. I think it
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: gives opportunity to some young players, but there's not a
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  Speaker 7: lot of game snaps in that secondary or in that
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  Speaker 7: safety room. And that's hard to overcome because if you
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: start going down the list of who you're going to
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  Speaker 7: be facing this year, and the ultimate goal is getting
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  Speaker 7: to a super Bowl, and you know the offenses that
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: are in line with that and what the Ravens can
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  Speaker 7: do and Pittsburgh ads Aaron Rodgers, we know what the
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: Bills and the Chiefs still are. You've got to be
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: able to stop the passing game and so much as
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  Speaker 7: pre snap communication. So it does it. It exposes a
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: little bit of a concern of you hope Gino stones
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  Speaker 7: there because he played great down the stretch last year,
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  Speaker 7: But for me, it's the what's next?
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  Speaker 4: What if?
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  Speaker 7: The contingency plan always has to be in place because depth,
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  Speaker 7: as we know in the NFL, very rarely are guys
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  Speaker 7: going through all seventeen games without getting banged up or
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  Speaker 7: missing a series or a quarter or a couple of games.
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  Speaker 7: The depth is such a key piece for those contending teams.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow says, this is the best he's thrown the
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  Speaker 1: ball in several years. You were an excellent quarterback and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: an NFL draft pick. Can you see a difference between
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow this camp and the Joe Burrow that we've
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: enjoyed watching the last several years?
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  Speaker 7: As he said, you're out there, you see it. I mean,
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: it's a confidence and it's just a swagger that he
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: carries himself with. It's hard to explain, but I knew
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: early on in camp watching him in individual drills the
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: way he handled individual drills, because there are times where
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: he he's very mechanical, but then there's other times you
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: see him roll out to his left, flip the hips,
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: drive the ball, and then he just kind of walks away,
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: and you could tell as he's walking away, he's like, yep,
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: that feels good. Like It's just it's hard because it's
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: hard to explain unless you see it in person. But
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: you know, I follow a lot of what Dan or
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: Lofsky does, and Dan ro Lofsky grated the seven best
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: traits for quarterbacks in the National Football League. Joe Burrow
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: was at the top of four of them, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: you can't beat that mechanically, pocket presence, timing, ball placement,
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: you can't beat any of that with Joe Burrow. But
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: to think about his path to where he's at right
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  Speaker 7: now and everything he's had to overcome in training camp,
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: from injuries to pandemics, to his number one wide receiver
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: not doing a snap of preseason camp, and to see
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  Speaker 7: the numbers he's put up and now all of a sudden,
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I think you see a guy that knows I've got
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: my full compliment of weapons. I feel the best I
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: have in my NFL career. I'm not rehabbing a major injury.
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: We're not diagnosing on every pass. Did that one wobble?
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: Was there enough zip on that the wristess is healthy?
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  Speaker 7: And I can tell from playing the position after he
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: makes a throw the way he kind of carries himself afterwards,
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: like okay, okay, he's feeling himself a little bit, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: that is a dangerous thing for the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Let me play off that dan Orlowski list of traits.
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  Speaker 1: So let's turn the clock back to twenty ten. You're
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: a rookie with the Carolina Panthers. What Joe Burrow trait
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: would you have liked to steal oh man U.
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  Speaker 7: The ball placement because I don't think you can beat
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  Speaker 7: that in the NFL. I mean Joe Burrow, for what
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: it's worth. On that list, I think he's seventh or
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: eighth in arm strength. When's the last time you're watching
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: a game and a quarterback drops back, kit pats the
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: ball for a couple seconds and throws at seventy yards
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  Speaker 7: in the air. I don't need the strongest arm, but
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: the ability. There's been times at camp where I've raved
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: about what the defense is doing and then just applaud
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: the offense because Joe Burrow drops a ball into Andrey
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  Speaker 7: Yoshibas down the seam in the middle of three guys.
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  Speaker 7: Like the ball placement to me is the top because
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: there's no way to defend that. Every defense has a weakness,
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: every defense has a hole. But the coordinator on the
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: defense is saying, okay, if they make that throw, tip
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  Speaker 7: your cap. More often than not, you have to tip
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: your cap to what Joe Burrow is doing because his
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: ball placement is so elite and he has this he
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: has this ability no matter what's going on around him.
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  Speaker 7: It's not like if pressure's at his feet his ball
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  Speaker 7: placement waivers. It's not like if he's on the run,
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: his ball placement waivers. It's not like everything has to
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  Speaker 7: be perfect every single time he throws the ball. The
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: ball goes where it's supposed to be, and that is
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: It's something you can't drill, you can't teach, it's just
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  Speaker 7: God given.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: You reference some of those throws to Andra Yosi Bosh.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I shoot video basically of every play when they're scrimmaging
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a training camp, and it seems to me I have
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: more clips of spectacular throws to Yosi Bosh than anybody else.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: So then I kind of backtrack, and when Joe says
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: he feels like he's throwing the ball better than he
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: ever has or as well as he ever has, I
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: think I've seen more of those kind of intermediate throws
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: over the corner in front of the safety, dropped in
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  Speaker 1: perfectly to Andrea Yosi Vash than anybody else. And I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: wonder if maybe that's the thing that Joe in his
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: own mind is doing better than he ever has before.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's incredible, And if you're Joe, you know what.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: Jamar and t are the obvious. The battle has always
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: figured out Okay, how can we add more weapons? And
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: the more I can pump a ball to somebody else
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: at practice, the more I'm gonna have success on the
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: field because you're building that player's confidence as well.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I can't explain.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: That the times where there's a too high look on
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: defense and a backer or a nickel or a dime
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: is carrying the slot receiver in this case, andre Yosi Vash,
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: and somehow the ball fits over top of that Chase
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: defender and in between two safeties and there's a connection there.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: And I think in previous years you've seen the connection
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: in the red zone more than anything with andre Yosi Vash.
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: I think now, if you're down there and you see
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: physically Yoshi vas looks different, like he looks bigger, faster, stronger,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: he's better in and out of his breaks. And if
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: you think just on an offensive point of view, I know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: if I'm a defensive coordinator, I've got to bring attention
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: to Jamar Chase. I've got to bring attention to t Higgins.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: Now I've got to worry about two tight end sets. Oh,
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: by the way, how am I going to cover andre Yoshibah?
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: So if you're Andre Now you have the luxury that
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: every time you line up, you're going to see a
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: team's third or fourth best cover guy. So you don't
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: have to beat Jay R Alexander one on one. You
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: don't have to beat some of the top corners in
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: this game. You've got to beat a team's third or
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: fourth best and I like those odds. With what we've
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: seen from andre Yoshibas to this point of becoming a
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: very impactful player.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Is it a Cincinnati three way again like it used
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to be when Tyler Boyd was the third guy.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: I think it's as close as we've had it since
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Tyler Boyd was here in his prime. And I think again,
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: if you see how this offense is built. As a
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: defensive coordinator, I know we've harped on it. I'm not
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: trying anything. I'm dropping seven, I'm rushing four. I'm hoping
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: to get pressure with four, and if not, I'll try
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: to shrink the field and win in the red zone.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: There's no other way that you can guard this offense
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: because of the matchups that it presents. You know, if
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: you want to play your small personnel, the Bengals can
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: go twelve and they can run two tight ends, and
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: then you got to say, Okay, do I match that
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: with bigger personnel and then give up some stuff in
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: the passing game, or do I keep my lighter personnel
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: out there and then I get dominated in the running game.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: So it is a wide receiver.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Dream right now to play in this offense because of
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: the matchups that you're going to get us at tight
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: end as well. But yeah, I think they can push
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: this year to get that three way back.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: We're chatting with former NFL quarterback Tony Pike, the host
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of Since three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty in Cincinnati.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Let's turn to defense.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: How did you feel about the selection of Shamar Stewart
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in the first round when it happened, and how do
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you feel now?
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: You know, I think the obvious answer was the production
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: and four and a half sacks, And I know playing
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: in the SEC is different, but you know they have
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: some bye weeks built in there as well against some
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: bad competition. So I was a little skeptical because it
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: felt like, here's a guy that's super athletic, but maybe
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: not as polished as you would hope for an impact
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: player at number seventeen. And then of course you don't
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: know what to think because of how the offseason transpired.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: I couldn't be any higher on Shamar Stewart than I
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: am right now from watching since he came back to
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: the practice field, since he stepped foot on the field,
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: he has flashed with power, athleticism, His change of direction
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: is incredible, his get off. He made a play in
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: the Philadelphia game where he showed on the run and
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: if the ball was handed off, he would have made
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: the play. And then he was still able to get
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: to the quarterback on the rollout and affect the throw.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: And to me, that's when it kind of clicked of okay,
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: even if the sacks aren't there yet for Shamar Stewart.
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: Look at Patrick Mahomes last year in the Super Bowl.
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: Wasn't a ton of sacks, but it was the most
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: uncomfortable you've ever seen Patrick Mahomes. He almost looked at
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: times because of the pass rush of Philly, not all
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: the time getting home, but just making him uncomfortable. So,
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: if Schamar doesn't have the sack totals that are there yet,
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: we've already seen at practice, We've already seen in a
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: game setting that he has the ability to get to
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: the quarterback and make him uncomfortable. And in the NFL
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: that can lead to an arm angle that changes in
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: a ball that sales for a quarterback or not being
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: able to drive into a throw and there's less on
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: it and a corner can undercut it. There are plays
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: that the secondary will make because of Shamar Stewart, even
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: if he's not getting home and getting the sack.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You ready for a Dan Horde hot take, please, Shamar
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Stewart might not finish in the top five in sacks.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: He probably won't, at least as a rookie, he will
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: finish in the top five. And tipped passes. How many
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: balls has he already tipped?
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in fourteen.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: Practices, it's been incredible. I mean his first practice he
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: had what two or three on his own, and you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: I think he's still learning the ropes of you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: the quarterback halo, and I know we've talked a lot
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: about that. But the thing is is what I think
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: this defense needs as a chip. I think they need
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: a player that's going to punch the other team in
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: the mouth and not be the one that's getting punched
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: in the mouth. I would rather have eleven Shamar Stewarts
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: that are going to play through the whistle than someone
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: that's maybe going to be on that timid side just
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: a little bit that. That was the same conversation that
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: was talked early in camp about Demetrius Knight. Zach Taylor
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: talked about, well, you know, sometimes he's a little bit
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: pushing the issue from a tackling or a hitting standpoint,
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: But he said, I'd rather have a guy like that
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: than a guy on the other end of the spectrum.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: So I think both the young guys on defense they
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: have an impact because they play with a chip and
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: they play with a speed and they're the aggressors. And
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: if you can feed on that as a defense and
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: adopt that mentality, you're going to have a lot of success.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So when Shamar Stewart stumbled and collide to with Joe
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Burrow and the offensive line took exception and started to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: fight on the next snap, should they have Was Shami
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Stewart in the wrong even if it was accidental, No.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: If he was untouched to the quarterback and he just
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: got in the bubble of Joe Burrow and stood there, absolutely,
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: you know, I understand the skirmish in the fight. The
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: issue is, and players don't know this on the field
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: at the time. They just see Burrow down. And I
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: love the fact that everyone ran in because that's what
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: you want, that mentality you want. If number nine is down,
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: I want five offensive linemen going to pick him up.
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: But in that case, at least to me, it looked
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: like on his stunt he already had started to lose
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: his balance, and I think as he was beating Lucas Patrick,
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: he kind of got a shove from Lucas Patrick. And
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: if you've ever fallen before, or fallen over a period
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: of a couple of yards, it's hard enough to regain
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: your balance, let alone being pushed by an offensive lineman.
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: I think it was just his momentum because he does
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: his fire is different, his get off is, he's operating
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: a different speed. I think that was completely an accident,
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: and it's one of those teaching moments to say, hey,
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: just remember you know, we don't go near the quarterback.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: But I don't think you can fault him for that play.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: I don't think there was anything malicious. I think he
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: lost his balance and couldn't regain it until unfortunately he
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: got into the lap of Joe Burrow.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: So sometime in the last twenty four hours or so,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Brandon Schurf announced his retirement. So Bengals fans that have
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: still been pining for them to sign a Brandon Shurf,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the veteran offensive guard, are not going to get their wish.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: If the Bengals were to decide to add a veteran
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: before the start of the season, do you have somebody
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that you would like to see them go after?
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: Uh, well, I think Arizona already scooped up Bernandez. Now
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: with Sheriff off the board, I think it becomes one
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: of those you pay attention to thirty one other teams
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: on cutdown day because you know what you always get
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: met with is well, if they're still out there, that
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: means thirty one other teams passed on them. That's not
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: the case because thirty one other teams might not have
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: the same need that you have if you're the Cincinnati Bengals.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: So like free agent wise, I don't think there's anyone
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: that you're gonna bring in and say boom, that's an
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: immediate upgrade. There are always times during cutdown days in
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: the NFL where you say, man, that player got let
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: go or they moved on from him because they might
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: have a surplus of players they might've drafted at that position,
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: they might be confident in there one or two deep there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: So I think more than any other year, you pay
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: attention to cut down days and see who's left out
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: there and say, okay, does that make an immediate knee
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: or immediate upgrade do our roster right now? Are we
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: better with that player than we would be without.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: The other name that a lot of people bring up
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: is Justin Simmons, the safety who is great several years ago.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: His PFF grades were lousy. Last year, he's thirty one.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: He really seems to be declining. So I think that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: does kind of fit under that description of well, he's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: probably still out there for a reason, and maybe you're
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: better off seeing what's available after cutdown day for guys
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that have actually played in preseason games and you can
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: evaluate how they look right now.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to dive into PFF,
• 37:08
  Speaker 7: von Bell had a higher PFF grade last year than
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: Justin Simmons. And I know it's not all about the grade,
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: it's about the system, it's about the scheme, but he
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: did that playing next to one of the best safeties
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: in the league and Jesse Bates. So you know, I'm
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: not in the belief of you've got to reach or
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: you've got a panic, because again, there are players that
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: come about on cutdown day. I think they're going to
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: be active on cutdown day, not just to add one piece,
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: but I think they had maybe two three pieces because
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: of the ability of guys that have now been in
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: football shape. We talked about that all the time of
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: you know, you don't go through a training camp. You're
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: working out, but you're not working out the same as
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: you would be if you're out there on the practice
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: field every single day. But I think safety, I think
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: guard on cutdown day is going to be very interesting
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: to watch what these other teams.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Do, aside from Joe Burrow, Jamar Jason T. Higgins who
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: has impressed you the most at training camp and feel
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: free to go with one on offense and one on
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: defense if you feel that way.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's times in this week Marco Wilson
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: flashed at corner. I think he made some really good
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: plays in the practice that was built up as a
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: lot of unscripted plays. And I want to see guys
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: that can go off script and react, and I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: that was impressive. But for me, Demetrius Night, I think,
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: is at a.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Really solid camp.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: I can't express how hard it is for a rookie
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: to go through a system you've been in for years.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Then you break from that system, you scrap all of it,
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: and then you just worry about getting your body right
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: for the combine and Pro days. And then you get
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: through that and before you can take a breath, now
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: you're going to rookie mini camp, and then you're going
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: to off season workouts, and then you're going to preseason camp.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: You don't have an off season, and.
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: Your mind is just always being flooded with new information.
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: I think he's taken to a very hard position in
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: the NFL extremely well. Yes, you got to finish plays,
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: you got to make tackles, but more often than not,
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: I see Demetrius Night. He's in the right place, he's
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: connected to a guy in coverage, he's filling a gap
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: correctly in the run game. I think he's had a
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: really really good camp as maybe the draft pick that
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: didn't get talked about because so much focus was on
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: Shamar Stewart and then so much focus was on Dylan Fairchild.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: He kind of got sandwiched in between, and I think
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: he's been really, really solid. We don't talk much about him,
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: but Charlie Jones to me is just this solid under
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: the radar, doesn't make any noise, and then in the
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: preseason game you see him get targeted and he makes
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: some catches. You see him in the special team's return game.
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: He's always solid. I looked at years ago Trent Irwin
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: when he needed to play because of injuries to others.
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: It was like they didn't skip a beat when he
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: came in, and Joe Burrow was confident enough to find him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: And I think all the receivers, Jermaine Burtons had a
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: really good camp. But I think it says something when
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: you get into a preseason game and everything's firing around
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: you in the quarterback with just instinct, confident in going
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: to you knowing you're going to be doing what you
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: need to be doing, You're going to be in your spot.
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: I've been extremely impressed with him. I mentioned earlier, I
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: think todzs Brooks is a steal and I might be
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: biased because we sat there at Texas TCH and watched
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: what he did to the Bearcats, but Texas Tech is
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: known for a spread it out though at fifty sixty
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: times a game.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: He had back to back thousand yard rushing years fifteen
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: hundred yards.
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: He's a bowling ball, and what I like most about
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: him is he is more than willing and able to
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: step in in a pass protection role. And I don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: know how big the role will be this year, but
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: I think you feel really good about not only him,
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: but when you kind of look at everything together, a
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: lot of the young core.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Nucleus that's shown so far for the Bengals through.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Camp certainly like those choices. I'll give you a couple
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: of mine. I think Cam Taylor Britt has been excellent
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: this camp. I really can't think of a bad practice
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: that he's had. Some have been better than others. But
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: he looks like the guy that we thought he was
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: going to be going into last season, where money of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: has said, you know, there's maybe an odd chance he
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: becomes a pro bowler. He looks like that guy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: It's hard because when you watch you don't notice a
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: ton but that's a good thing if you're a corner,
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: like if you are man, there's another catch down the sideline.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: Who's that on? Oh, Cam like that that's a bad thing.
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: There's like very few instances I can go back to
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: right now and say, man, that Cam got beat. And
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: if it is like there was a play unscripted first
• 41:25
  Speaker 7: drive when the Bengals went down and scored. It was
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: a third down, Joe Burrow hit Jamar Chase on a
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: back shoulder throw that you could not have covered any
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: better as a corner in the NFL. That was Cam
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: Taylor britt It's like, Okay, tip your cap. The best
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: wide receiver in football and the best quarterback just connected
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: and made a very good play. But even the plays
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: that are made, it feels like he's in the right
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: position and where he needs to be. And I don't
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: think you can say enough about you know, the iron
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: sharpens iron mentality of what the defense gets by going
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: against that offense every day and a Jamar Chase and
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, and I think you just grow leaps and
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: bounds from that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: On that back shoulder catch that you just described, I
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: happened to be standing very close to where Jamar caught
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the ball. Cam Taylor Bridd actually deflected it. Jamar still
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: made the catch, and afterward the cornerbacks coach Chuck Burke's
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: yelled out great coverage Cam just to make sure he knews.
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: There's nothing else you can do in those situations. It
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: has just tip your cap, pat him on the back
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: and move on to the next play and try to
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: get him then.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And the offensive guy that's impressed me the most other
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: than the big three is a guy we talked about earlier,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: andre Yosi Vash. And I put it this way, everything
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: that fans want Jermaine Burton to be, andre Yosi Vash
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: already is big, strong, fast, runs great routes. He's become tougher,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: He's become better at contested catches. So yeah, I'm interested
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: in Jermaine Burton. I hope he lives up to his potential.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I think andre Josi Vash is already that guy.
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: The contested catches have stood out at camp. But I
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: also think his route running just looks so much cleanup.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: And I think the first couple of years he knew, Okay,
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: this is going to be my role. Let me excel
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: in my red zone routes. And you saw in the
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: red zone Joe Burrow would find him, whereas it wasn't
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: in between the twenties as much.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: And I think.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: Now because what you've seen a camp, you see that
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: and you see the build up of the confidence that
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: Joe Burrow now has and andre Yoshiva. I also think
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: in being there, there are just guys you see, Like
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: you see t Higgins on a practice field and you're like,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: holy cat, like he is huge. I've seen andre Yoshi
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: vas and you like double take this year, like that
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: can't be the same guy. Like whatever he's done in
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: the off season, whatever the workout regimen that he's been on,
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: I need to get on that because it's leaps and
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: bounds where he was, and it's also the little things
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: like there was a practice early in camp and it's
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: the dog days of camp he was. He was probably
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: out there thirty minutes after camp, signing autographs and taking
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: pictures and not just moving down the line, but having
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: genuine conversations, looking people in the eye, you know, talking
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: to fans. And I just think the way you connect
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: that way and the way he's connected with Burrow and
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: the physical nature in which he's playing right now is
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: poised to have some sort of breakout. I don't know
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: what that is, because you have so many weapons gets taled.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: I don't know what andre Yoshibah's breakout year is, but
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: there are going to be games this year where he's
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: relied on to make a big catch or big catches
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: because he's getting the coverage rolled away from him. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: I think if you're the Bengals, you're confident that he's
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: gonna win those battles.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: A couple more things for Tony Pike. Is there a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: guy or are there a couple of guys that you're
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: still waiting to see something from a person that you
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: focused on and just think to yourself, man, take the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: next step.
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: I think offensive line wise, you're happy with Warre Mims
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: has taken it. You're knowing that Dylan Fairchild is growing.
• 44:44
  Speaker 7: You're solid with Orlando Brown Junior. I think Lucas Patrick
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: you still want to see more. And what I like
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: about Lucas Patrick is he's not making the same mistake twice.
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: He's learning as he goes, but he's still got a
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: little bit of a ways to go. And I don't
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: think it's any detriment to the players themselves, but I
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: would like to see more twelve personnel. We just can't
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: because Mike Kasicki hasn't practiced because we haven't got a
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: chance to see yet and Gasicki in the game at
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: the same time, and what that can look like to
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: a defensive standpoint. Outside of that on offense, I don't
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: think you can take much away from what they've done.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: I still think there are times where you want to
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: see Miles Murphy finish where again you want to talk
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: about physical You look at him and you're like, man,
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: that's a defensive end in the NFL. He's got all
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: the tools and at times he's so close to being there,
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: but he just doesn't finish. And if you could figure
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: out a way to get him to finish with the
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: JOSEPHO said that played at the end of last year,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: adding Shamar Stewart ideally getting Trey Hendrickson back. All of
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: a sudden, if you're out, golden third downs become exciting
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: because now I think you have versatile guys in Miles
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: Murphy and Shamar Stewart that don't just have to line
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: up at defensive end. I think you can move him inside.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: I think you can stand him up on the outside.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: I think you can get really creative if you can
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: just get that next bit of production from a guy
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: like Miles Murphy.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Final thing, is there anything you're really looking to see
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: in the second preseason game at Washington on Monday night?
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: I would love to see the offense just be as
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: crisp as they were, because I view it as the
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: last chance you get to do that before you get
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: to Cleveland and a lot of folks they will scoring
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  Speaker 7: get them out. There's a value from an offensive standpoint
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  Speaker 7: in running a series, coming to the sideline, looking at
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  Speaker 7: the iPad, getting some teaching moments and say, hey, they're
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  Speaker 7: doing this, Let's try this on the next series. So
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  Speaker 7: it's not about just go down and score and get out.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's valuable to come out and get Okay,
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  Speaker 7: what's going on the sideline, what are they doing? What's
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  Speaker 7: our answer to it? Boom here it is, let's go
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  Speaker 7: do it on the next drive. Defensively, they've got to
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  Speaker 7: be better than what they were, and that's all I'm
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  Speaker 7: looking for. All I want to see is, hey, the
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  Speaker 7: baseline didn't start off great, but can you get better
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  Speaker 7: against Washington than you were against Philly? Because if that's
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  Speaker 7: the case, then it tells me they're improving, they're learning.
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  Speaker 7: They take what they're being taught and they're putting it
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  Speaker 7: on the field. There are going to be growing pains
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  Speaker 7: on the defensive side of the ball. But as long
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  Speaker 7: as you are getting better when you get opportunities, then
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  Speaker 7: I think you feel good if you're al golden in
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  Speaker 7: this team. And then Evan McPherson, you know, he made
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  Speaker 7: a fifty one yarder in Week one. I would like
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  Speaker 7: and you never want to do it because you don't
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  Speaker 7: want to take away from your offense. But I'd like
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: if there was a third and long to maybe just
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  Speaker 7: run the ball and give Evan a fifty three fifty
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  Speaker 7: four yarder, because I think that confidence for him goes
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  Speaker 7: a long way as well. So all three aspects, I
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  Speaker 7: think there are good things you can see. And then
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  Speaker 7: get off the field healthy and get ready for the
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  Speaker 7: regular season.
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  Speaker 1: Let Evan go from seventy like the Jacksonville Oh.
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  Speaker 7: Boy, you know who held for him in college? I
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: don't our guy Fletcher Huh, Arkansas. How about that good
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  Speaker 7: nugget there you go. That's why I deliver nuggets.
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  Speaker 1: Tony, you're doing an awesome job on Cincy three sixty
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  Speaker 1: and congratulations on your recent induction into the University of
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Athletics Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 4: It is very well deserved. Thank you. I appreciate that's
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  Speaker 4: always good catching.
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  Speaker 1: Up my thanks to Bearcat's legend Tony Pike. And that's
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