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BASEBALL STAR BRUTAL ATTACKS ON HS GIRLS , WALKS FREE: 'SKETCHY AS HELL! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A high school baseball star
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Speaker 1: brutally brutally attacks multiple high school girls, leaving them bleeding,
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Speaker 1: and he walks free with counseling. He was looking at
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Speaker 1: seventy eight years behind bars over seven decades, and he
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Speaker 1: gets counseling and community service. I call that sketchy as hell.
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Speaker 1: I'mancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Jesse Butler, a promisey baseball star from Oklahoma with a
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Speaker 2: supportive family, faces a grim future after his girlfriend accuses
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Speaker 2: him of the unthinkable.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right there, I don't like that. I don't like
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Speaker 1: that because it says his girlfriend accused. B s technical
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Speaker 1: legal term. It's not his girlfriend accused to Page Taylor,
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Speaker 1: joining US investigator reporter Fox twenty five News, page, let
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Speaker 1: me correct that he pled. He pled guilty, of course,
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Speaker 1: it justge Let him do a nolo contendery. I don't
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Speaker 1: say you're right or you're wrong, but that's the equivalent
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Speaker 1: of a guilty plea a no lo. He played guilty.
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Speaker 1: It's not that girlfriend accuses. It's way past that he
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Speaker 1: has pled and been sentenced.
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Speaker 3: Right, yes, he has, and he did initially plead not guilty,
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Speaker 3: and then he was offered this plea deal by the
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Speaker 3: DA to his attorney, and that is when he pled
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Speaker 3: no contest. And then he was given youth bull offender status.
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Speaker 1: Okay to Randy Casseler joining us, a veteran trial lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of Atlanta and we law school professor, former chair
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Speaker 1: of the American Bar Association Family Laws section all of divorce,
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Speaker 1: Protect yourself, your kids, in your future. I could go
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Speaker 1: on and on and on about Kessler, but let me
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Speaker 1: just say when I would see Kessler coming down the
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Speaker 1: hall at the courthouse at me with a file in
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Speaker 1: his hand, I would say, no, don't even start, and
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Speaker 1: somehow he would talk all the prosecutors into sweetheart deals. Kessler,
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Speaker 1: just take off your defense hat for one moment, just
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Speaker 1: one moment. Isn't it true that in no loo contendery,
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Speaker 1: I do not contest in the law and the eyes
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Speaker 1: of the law is a guilty plea.
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Speaker 4: Okay, But it's not exactly guilty plean Nancy, or else
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Speaker 4: you wouldn't have a difference, You wouldn't have the option
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Speaker 4: of a NOLA contender. He can say for the rest
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Speaker 4: of his life he did not contest the facts. That's
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Speaker 4: a better statement for his future than to say I
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Speaker 4: pled guilty. There's a reason we allow them to do that.
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Speaker 1: There is a difference, Grandy Kessler the eyes of the law.
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Speaker 1: You're right, what just try to spit it out good.
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Speaker 4: You always win, Nancy, and you know you're going to
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Speaker 4: win this one because it's a rhetorical question.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Nola contendrius and consequences.
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Speaker 4: But he still can say to future employer's family friends,
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Speaker 4: he played nolo contenderary, look at.
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Speaker 1: Him, baseball star. How much did his father's involvement in
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Speaker 1: baseball and his own affect the judge's decision? Isn't a
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Speaker 1: true page Taylor that he and his family are deeply
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Speaker 1: tied to still Water and Oklahoma State University. The father,
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Speaker 1: Matt Butler, was the Cowboys football director for sixteen years.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that tally sixteen years the Cowboys football director? Yes,
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Speaker 1: that is correct. So now we've managed to remember Kessler.
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Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. I'm not a dds a dentist.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to pull teeth, but I can
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Speaker 1: get a set of pliers and try if I have to. So, Kessler,
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Speaker 1: could you ever imagine ever imagine a cold day in
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Speaker 1: hel that I would allow two young girl high school
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Speaker 1: sex assault victims sit there and let me and hear
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Speaker 1: me agree to a plea where this guy, after multiple attacks, bloody,
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Speaker 1: bloody sex attacks, let that sink in. Let them hear
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Speaker 1: me accept the plea where he gets no jail time
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Speaker 1: and he gets counseling and walks free on a no
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Speaker 1: lo over my cold dead body. Kessler, not in.
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Speaker 4: A million years would you allow that he would have
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Speaker 4: been lucky to get away with eighty seven years in
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Speaker 4: jail if you were the prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Kessler, think about it. Think about your own children.
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Speaker 1: And I know in closing arguments, we prosecutors and defense
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Speaker 1: lawyers as well are not allowed to accid jury, to
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Speaker 1: put themselves in the shoes of the victim or the defendant. Right,
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Speaker 1: but we're not look around, we're not in court. You
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Speaker 1: have children. If your child came home and said he
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Speaker 1: sex attacked me, I was bleeding, I begged him to stop,
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Speaker 1: and he said no. You don't think these parents shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be laying on the courthouse steps screaming.
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Speaker 4: You know there'd be a different trial, right, I'd be
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Speaker 4: the one on trial in that case, right, Nancy. We
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Speaker 4: all know what would happen if that was a situation,
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Speaker 4: but we don't know all the facts, and there's got
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Speaker 4: to be some reason. I'm just searching my brain for
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Speaker 4: why would they have allowed this kind of video, Why
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Speaker 4: would they let them stay as a juvenile unless they
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Speaker 4: didn't think they had an absolute, rock solid case there
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Speaker 4: would guarantee a victory. There has to be some loophole
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Speaker 4: or some technicality, some deficiency in their case.
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Speaker 1: Because I agree, it has to be that you haven't
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Speaker 1: found it, have you.
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Speaker 5: Well I haven't, and I don't.
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Speaker 1: I'm not pretty found I haven't either. You guys, when
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Speaker 1: you say an air tight case, a lock on the case,
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Speaker 1: is there ever a lock on a case? I mean,
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Speaker 1: look at top mom Casey Anthony should have been a lot, right,
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Speaker 1: not guilty. Look at a J. Simpson should have been
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Speaker 1: a lot double murder, not guilty. It happens the time.
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Speaker 1: There's never a lock on a case. Ever. I don't
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Speaker 1: care how strong the prosecutor thinks the evidence is. There's
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Speaker 1: never a lot. Randy, No, but.
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Speaker 4: This is probably the first time you've ever agreed with
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Speaker 4: me and taking my side in some way that you're
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Speaker 4: right there's not a guaranteed lock.
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Speaker 5: So what is the deficiency in this case? You know those.
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Speaker 4: Folks they got a complete acquittal that you definitely don't
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Speaker 4: want to risk a complete acquittal. And if you're worried
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Speaker 4: as a prosecutor that you might not win, you take
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Speaker 4: what you can get. But you know, I know you're
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Speaker 4: not agreeing with you, but you're tell me that there
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Speaker 4: is a possibility.
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Speaker 5: We don't know what the possibility was, because.
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Speaker 1: We're telling you, Randy, that there is never a lock,
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Speaker 1: and you have to have the backbone to roll the dice,
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Speaker 1: get ready and go to trial even if you think
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Speaker 1: you might lose. I mean, look at Coburger. For Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: that case should have gone to trial and there should
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Speaker 1: be a DP. It's being scheduled right now. Brian Coberger
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Speaker 1: should be on death row, where he would sit for
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Speaker 1: the next twenty five years and probably get some kind
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Speaker 1: of weird reversal. But it's the point of doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing, and this is the you know what, this
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Speaker 1: is the wrong thing. Let's just start it at the beginning.
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Speaker 4: Listen, Well, why don't we have you why don't we
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Speaker 4: not just prosecute everybody as an adult. There's got to
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Speaker 4: be some basis for decision making. Right, this child was
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Speaker 4: a child when he did this, and he's got a
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Speaker 4: right to be tried as a juvenile, and that's what
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Speaker 4: they've decided to do.
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Speaker 5: Otherwise, it was seventeen right, Okay, Well, if.
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Speaker 4: The law says seventeen year olds get tried as an adult,
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Speaker 4: he should have been tried as an adult.
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Speaker 5: That is that what the law says.
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Speaker 4: No, if the law gives a discretion and they chose
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Speaker 4: the discretion to say, we're going to follow the law
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Speaker 4: and try it as a.
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Speaker 1: Juvenile, Randy, let's discuss the actual law, not the law
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Speaker 1: in Randyland. The law is that there in most jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: are seven deadly sins for which a juvenile will have
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Speaker 1: a bind over hearing and most likely get treated as
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Speaker 1: an adult. That said, rape is a seven deadly which
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Speaker 1: means there's a very very rubber stamped hearing. There is
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Speaker 1: a hearing, but after the hearing the case will be
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Speaker 1: sent to superior court. Are you telling me you never
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Speaker 1: had a case with a seventeen year old that was
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Speaker 1: tried as an adult.
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Speaker 5: Certainly there are.
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Speaker 4: Cases, but again, this is a different case. This is
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Speaker 4: a victim knew that the defendant. This is a you
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Speaker 4: know's an allegation that there was a relationship. Oh no,
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Speaker 4: I'm not true.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that. Wait wait wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, wait wait wait wait you think
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Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend that didn't just come out of
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Speaker 1: your mouth. Shannon Henry joining me, President founder of SAS
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Speaker 1: SASS Surviving Assault Standing Strong. It is a non profit
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Speaker 1: on a mission to help women victims of sex attacks.
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Speaker 1: Did you just hear what Kesser said and believe you me?
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Speaker 1: It might work in front of a jury. He said, uh,
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Speaker 1: she was his girlfriend. Okay, number one, there's not just one.
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Speaker 1: There's two victims that we know of who say startlingly
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Speaker 1: similar stories about being sex assaulted and beaten strangled to
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Speaker 1: one had to have surgery on her neck and her
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Speaker 1: face drooped after the strangulation. And not only that, he
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Speaker 1: videoed the attack and the police found the video. The
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Speaker 1: state has the video of the girl unconscious being strangled
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Speaker 1: and then sex assaulted. Shannon, did you hear that? Randy
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Speaker 1: Kester says, oh, well, it was his girlfriend, like means
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Speaker 1: it didn't happen.
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Speaker 6: Shannon, yep, So now, Evidently, according to Randy, we're going
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Speaker 6: to start excusing relationship violence and relationship with sexual assaults,
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Speaker 6: and that would include the ones like this one, when
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Speaker 6: clearly her body was shutting down. She urinated on herself
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Speaker 6: as he strangled her. That is the body shutting down
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Speaker 6: because it can't do everything it needs to do.
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Speaker 1: I want to say, Kessler, as you're describing that, pick
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Speaker 1: it up right there, please, Shannon.
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Speaker 6: She urinated on herself, and so that tells us that
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Speaker 6: the body is shutting down.
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Speaker 7: So this isn't you know?
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Speaker 1: This is the perfect case.
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Speaker 6: We have the I know there's no perfect case, but
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Speaker 6: we have video evidence. Typically, as he said, she said,
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Speaker 6: this is not We have the evidence physically, psychologically, we've
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Speaker 6: got the medical evidence. We know that this was attempted murder.
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Speaker 6: This was kidnapping, it was rape, it was sodomy. It
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Speaker 6: was everything it could be. And it does not matter
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Speaker 6: if she was in a relationship with him or he
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Speaker 6: was a stranger. He is at fall.
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Speaker 7: He should be sentenced accordingly.
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Speaker 1: You know, Shannon, I know you must feel this sometimes,
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Speaker 1: do you. Shannon is the president and founder of Surviving
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Speaker 1: Assault Standing Strong. I was just thinking about my little daughter,
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Speaker 1: Lucy she's about this big. She's just beautiful on the
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Speaker 1: inside and the outside. And sometimes I just feel like
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Speaker 1: going in lane on the railroad track and wait for
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Speaker 1: a train to come in. I mean, there is a
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Speaker 1: video the little high school girl with her pants. She
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Speaker 1: went unconscious. At one point she was bleeding from her genitals,
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Speaker 1: and there's a video. The guy sets up a video
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Speaker 1: he wants to replay watching himself strangling her out. The
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Speaker 1: one victim and there's two that we know of, had
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Speaker 1: to have surgery on her throat. Her face was drooping
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Speaker 1: on one side after because the strangulation was so severe.
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Speaker 1: Page Taylor joining US investigative reporter Fox twenty five. Tell
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Speaker 1: me about the surgery the one little girl had to have.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so after she was strangled, she had a
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Speaker 3: lot of pain in her neck, there was swelling and
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Speaker 3: so you know, she did have to undergo surgery.
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Speaker 1: And now she has a scar.
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Speaker 3: So not only you know, does she have mental scars,
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Speaker 3: but now she has a physical one.
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Speaker 1: Rachel Countryman also joining us. You know her well, forensic
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Speaker 1: nurse expert, founder of Countrymen Consulting. She provides expert testimony
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Speaker 1: in case consultation all across the country. On sex assault, strangulation,
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Speaker 1: partner violence at Countrymen Consulting Services dot Com. And there's
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Speaker 1: a reason she has her own consulting business. She has
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Speaker 1: been on the front lines as a rape nurse, Rachel.
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Speaker 1: When you hear the victim was totally unconscious and urinated
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Speaker 1: in her clothes, urinated during the attack. She had no
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Speaker 1: control over her bodily functions at all. We know that
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Speaker 1: in at least one instance there was gentle bleeding. How
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Speaker 1: can a judge judge what's her name, Susan Worthington, right page, correct,
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Speaker 1: that's correct, Judge, Susan Worthington. I don't understand, Rachel. How yeah,
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Speaker 1: there you go.
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Speaker 8: How could she turn the other way and give this
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Speaker 8: guy community service and counseling. And there's not just one victim, Rachel,
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Speaker 8: What would you be looking for? And what do you
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Speaker 8: think of the as we know them? I'm getting them straight.
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Speaker 1: Out of the arrest. Warn't Epidavid, nobody's making any of
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Speaker 1: this up.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: So the symptoms are, you know, quite astounding. A lot
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Speaker 9: of times when we have patients present, we don't see
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Speaker 9: any symptoms.
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Speaker 7: And so the.
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Speaker 9: Fact that you know she urinated on herself, loss of consciousness.
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Speaker 9: As you know, even Susan mentioned this is the body
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Speaker 9: shutting down. The body is not getting oxygen, the tissues
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Speaker 9: in the body are getting oxygen, and she is very
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Speaker 9: close to losing her life.
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Speaker 1: What happened and why did the judge agree to this?
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Speaker 1: And even more interesting, why did the prosecutor even put
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Speaker 1: it up?
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Speaker 10: Listen, a serial rapist who strangles his girlfriends for a laugh,
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Speaker 10: serving no jail time on eleven charges, securing a sweetheart
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Speaker 10: deal classifying him as a youthful offender, the now eighteen
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Speaker 10: year old's treatment plan, counseling, community service, and curfews.
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Speaker 11: Testing Judge Susan Worthington and demanding her immediate resignation. We
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Speaker 11: are protesting the Payne County District Attorney's office and demanding
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Speaker 11: the immediate resignation of the eighty a's who made this deal.
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Speaker 12: If they don't set you on fire, you would we
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Speaker 12: You know what I mean? You got a bad you
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Speaker 12: know that sets me on fire. That looks like favoritism
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Speaker 12: all day long for me, That from.
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Speaker 1: Our friends at kfo R. And that was Representative J. J. Humphrey.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with him more. Many people are asking
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Speaker 1: why Judge Susan Worthington, and don't worry, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: get about three inches of the prosecutor's tailpipe as well.
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Speaker 1: Why she would go along with this plea? How could
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Speaker 1: she even look at herself in the mirror? Well, we
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Speaker 1: have an idea. Listen.
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Speaker 13: Jesse mac Butler, a star baseball player for the Stillwater
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Speaker 13: High Pioneers, already getting offers to play at NCAA colleges.
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Speaker 13: Jesse's fan deeply tied to Stillwater and Oklahoma State University.
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Speaker 13: Father Mac Butler served as the Cowboys football director for
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Speaker 13: sixteen years, and now his wife and daughter also work
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Speaker 13: for Oklahoma State's football program.
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Speaker 2: Still Water outraged by Butler's like sentence, many speculating Mac
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Speaker 2: Butler's deep connection to OSU is the reason behind his
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Speaker 2: son's ridiculous sentence. Protesters calling for District Attorney Laura Thomas
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Speaker 2: is firing.
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Speaker 14: I'm not slowing down, and you know, I have a
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Speaker 14: fifteen year old and he said that you need to
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Speaker 14: do something. So they have a position that came open
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Speaker 14: at still Water schools, and I said.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be the head guy. I don't
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Speaker 1: want any of that.
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Speaker 14: You know, if I can help.
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Speaker 1: I want to help straight back out to page tailor
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Speaker 1: investigator Reporter Fox twenty five at news Page. I want
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Speaker 1: to hear about the father's deep involvement in the community
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Speaker 1: and the sports programs.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so that family does have deep to still water
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Speaker 3: to OSU. Like you mentioned, he did work for OSU
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Speaker 3: for many years with the football program, and I think
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Speaker 3: it's important to know. You know, football is so important
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Speaker 3: in those college towns and really harries a lot of
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Speaker 3: weight and meaning. You know, he's also worked at some
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Speaker 3: other universities and high schools around the state of Oklahoma.
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Speaker 1: Guys, it seemingly gets so much worse. But to Randy
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Speaker 1: Kessler joining US Atlanta trial lawyer, allegedly lawyer to the celebs, Randy,
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Speaker 1: it matters. It shouldn't matter. But I've seen it happen
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Speaker 1: in court where an influential family comes into court, typically
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Speaker 1: with their son. Occasionally their daughter has a felony, but
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Speaker 1: usually the sun and they all have on their Sunday
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Speaker 1: best and they all stand up behind the podium and
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Speaker 1: they cry and they write letters, and they get really
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Speaker 1: influential people like mayors and the heads of football programs
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Speaker 1: at colleges to write on behalf of the defendant, and
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Speaker 1: I don't like it, but it matters not to me.
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Speaker 1: To me, that makes it worse. That means that that
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Speaker 1: defendant had every opportunity, every advantage given the world on
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Speaker 1: a silver platter on top of the Christmas tree, and
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Speaker 1: still committed a felony, as opposed to some people who
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Speaker 1: everybody in their family's gone to jail. They've all committed felonies.
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Speaker 1: It's a way of life. They don't understand, Hey, this
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Speaker 1: is wrong. This guy had it all and it makes
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Speaker 1: a difference, I guess, to the judge and the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: in this case, what matters to me or what these
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Speaker 1: two little girls say.
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Speaker 5: I agree with you, Nis, and I want to make
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Speaker 5: it clear to you and all you guess. I think
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Speaker 5: this convict was despicable, and I'm not defending the conduct.
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to find reasons because I wasn't there as
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Speaker 4: to why they might have cut this deal or why
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Speaker 4: they might have not charged him. That's all I'm trying
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Speaker 4: to do is to splaind it And I think you might
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Speaker 4: be right. I don't know this judge, I don't know
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Speaker 4: this prosecutor, but we're all searching for either the facts
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Speaker 4: weren't there or the evidence wasn't there, and it sounds
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Speaker 4: like it was there, So what else is there?
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Speaker 5: And I think you're looking in the right direction. Maybe
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Speaker 5: there was something on toward going on, And I agree
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Speaker 5: with you.
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Speaker 4: I don't have damous people write letters thinking that's going
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Speaker 4: to impress the judge. If I was a judge, I'd say, oh,
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Speaker 4: you think your hot stuff and you're going to pull
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Speaker 4: your cloud and affect me. I think most judges, most
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Speaker 4: good judges, would see it exactly the way you suggest
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Speaker 4: that they should see it, which is it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 4: In fact, it makes it worse if you think that's
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Speaker 4: going to help. What matters is the conduct. What matters
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Speaker 4: is the evidence, and what matters to the prosecution is
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Speaker 4: can they prove and can they win their case? If
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Speaker 4: they can proven win their case, then they should push
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Speaker 4: it as far as they can. If they're not sure,
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Speaker 4: then they compromise. And I've not been in the room,
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Speaker 4: and I wasn't there, and I'm hearing more and more
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Speaker 4: even on the show, and it's still making me a question.
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Speaker 1: Why, Randy Casser, You're not worried, are you that somebody's
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Speaker 1: going to go on X or Facebook and go, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm mad at Randy Casseler because he took up for
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Speaker 1: the defendant. You actually care what somebody says about you?
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 5: I care what people say.
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Speaker 1: Business. If you do so what I'm in, I've got
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Speaker 1: fixed in the wrong business. If you care what everybody
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Speaker 1: else says, it doesn't matter what they say. It matters
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Speaker 1: that you do the right thing. And as a defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: it's your job, as much as I don't like it,
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Speaker 1: to find holes in every case and exploit them. We
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Speaker 1: have the adversarial system. We're adversaries. We collide in court
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Speaker 1: and we fight it out, and we test each other's
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Speaker 1: evidence through cross examination and the rules of evidence. You
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Speaker 1: know how many defense attorneys I've made mad because I
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Speaker 1: would fight their exhibits, fight their witnesses any way I could,
20:59
Speaker 1: because I want it speaks the truth. Your job to
21:04
Speaker 1: try to stop.
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Speaker 4: Me, and that's what I do, mich You know what,
21:07
Speaker 4: and try doing divorce once in a while too. When
21:09
Speaker 4: we do some of that, then you've got people that
21:11
Speaker 4: are really angry at each other.
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Speaker 5: It's not just the state, it's an individual.
21:14
Speaker 4: So certainly we do our job and certainly there's times
21:17
Speaker 4: when we have to say, you know what, it's just
21:19
Speaker 4: an all out of fight. But if we can find
21:21
Speaker 4: a way to solve the problem without having a trial,
21:23
Speaker 4: criminal or civil, that's what we always try to do.
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Speaker 4: Why risk the extreme punishment, Why risk the eighty seven years?
21:29
Speaker 4: Why risk the worst thing in judges jury can do
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Speaker 4: if you can find it, And that's what I got to.
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Speaker 1: Do something, Randy. I don't think you ever saw me
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Speaker 1: like this, because I would usually go and get in
21:38
Speaker 1: my car when I would be so upset at how
21:42
Speaker 1: a case was turning out. But this case is so wrong.
21:47
Speaker 1: I know of two high school girl victims separated in
21:52
Speaker 1: time and space, that give the same story about this guy.
21:55
Speaker 1: It's on video. He videoed it. The girl had to
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Speaker 1: have surgery. He strangled her so badly, and he walked free.
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Speaker 1: With counseling doctor Cheryl Eric joining us out of Beverly
22:11
Speaker 1: Hills clinical forensics psychologists specializing in trauma recovery. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at askdoctor Cheryl dot com. Cheryl, I'm having flashbacks.
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Speaker 1: I guess is PTSD from the Seawan Combs verdict where
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura was beaten horribly brutally like these girls were
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Speaker 1: beaten and strangled till they urinated on themselves on video
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Speaker 1: and the jury excused it. And it's just like the
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Speaker 1: same thing all over again with a baseball high school star.
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Speaker 15: That's right, there's evidence, there's video evidence. We can see it,
22:59
Speaker 15: and we can see when somebody is powerful or influential,
23:03
Speaker 15: we can see courts making a decision that the young
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Speaker 15: man's life is more important than the lives of the
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Speaker 15: two young women that he is destroying. And the thing
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Speaker 15: is that this isn't just about favor this is also
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Speaker 15: these are very very dangerous crimes, and they are crimes
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Speaker 15: with very very high risk of reoffending. He doesn't show remorse.
23:29
Speaker 15: He the family doesn't show a sense of consequences about this.
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Speaker 15: They're saying to him, Oh, don't worry, we're going to
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Speaker 15: get you out soon, you know, when he gets arrested.
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Speaker 1: And as we've.
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Speaker 15: Talked about, strangulation puts the victim at risk of seven
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Speaker 15: hundred and fifty percent more likely to be murdered by
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Speaker 15: the person who strangled her during an attack. We don't
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Speaker 15: see remorse, We see sadism, We see him being proud
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Speaker 15: of what he's doing. And recording, and he sort of does, oh,
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Speaker 15: I'm sorry for one of them, about to do with
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Speaker 15: one of the victims, but doesn't not hurt her. He
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Speaker 15: is not moved by this pain. And the real risk
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Speaker 15: here is that these types of crimes run a very
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Speaker 15: very high risk of not only reoffending, but of murder,
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Speaker 15: of murdering future victims, and whatever favor has happened here,
24:23
Speaker 15: if a future victim is murdered, I really think that
24:26
Speaker 15: the blood is on the hands of the judge in
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Speaker 15: this case.
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Speaker 1: Talking about flashbacks from the Shanghams trial, Remember.
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Speaker 13: This Butler appears to be a typical all American teenager,
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Speaker 13: but his ex girlfriends say he's extremely violent.
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Speaker 2: Just a few weeks into the fall semester, two Stillwater
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Speaker 2: High students seek out their school resource officers, scared of
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Speaker 2: their shared ex boyfriend, alleging he attacks them numerous tis
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Speaker 2: throughout back to back relationships. The victims are still attending
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Speaker 2: class with their attacker, now eighteen year old Jesse Butler.
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Speaker 1: It gets so much worse when you read the affidavits,
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Speaker 1: the sworn testimony about what these victims said. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear it.
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Speaker 10: Butler tries to rape ls for the first time outside
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Speaker 10: of a marble slab. On what was supposed to be
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Speaker 10: an ice cream date. Butler pins Ls down in his car,
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Speaker 10: removes her clothes, then touches her breast and vagina while
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Speaker 10: she tells him to stop through tears. Butler says he's
25:33
Speaker 10: sorry for what he's about to do, but he has
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Speaker 10: to do it. Before the rape, a woman approaches Butler's
25:39
Speaker 10: car and says she's calling police. Butler drives Ls back
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Speaker 10: to her own car, but gets in with her, still
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Speaker 10: trying to initiate intercourse until Ls finally convinces him to
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Speaker 10: get out.
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Speaker 1: Well, needless to say, it didn't end there. But back
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Speaker 1: to you, Kessler, an ice cream date, don't you have daughters?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's irrelevant. I mean it's not right, right, What
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Speaker 5: do you want to say to that?
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Speaker 1: It's relevant? So I'll take that as a yes. Uh,
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Speaker 1: an ice cream date? You know? The other night, Lucy
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Speaker 1: and her little friend boy went out for frozen yogurt.
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Speaker 1: That sounds pretty innocent, doesn't it. A woman in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot had to come over and get him off
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Speaker 1: of her and threatened to call police. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: If he will do that in a public park in
26:35
Speaker 1: front of marble slab cream andy. For Pete's sake, what
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Speaker 1: will he do on an isolated road or when he
26:40
Speaker 1: has the girl in private, if he will be that bold,
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Speaker 1: that horrible chin parking lot.
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Speaker 5: So chromin. What do you want me to say to that, Nancy? Stupid?
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Speaker 4: Any thank goodness you did it like that, so that
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Speaker 4: he got caught in that he got and there was
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Speaker 4: a witness, and there's someone that came out there right,
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Speaker 4: thank goodness, because they are smarter criminals that are worse.
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Speaker 5: Right, this is not this is not a nice guy.
27:07
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. I like that. I like that
27:11
Speaker 1: when you argue there are people worse? Okay, what am
27:15
Speaker 1: I supposed to do with that? There are people worse
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Speaker 1: than him, worse as.
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Speaker 4: Far as intelligence, Nancy, not as far as what he did.
27:22
Speaker 4: The people there are people to do worse things, are
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Speaker 4: people to do less worse things. You can't classify that,
27:27
Speaker 4: you can't rape that. This is down there, right, This
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Speaker 4: is something nobody wants to be a part of, nobody wants.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem ranking it. I would say
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Speaker 1: it's not as bad as murdering her, but it's a
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Speaker 1: whole lot worse and shoplifting, right, Yeah, I can totally
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Speaker 1: rank it. That's why we call it one of the
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Speaker 1: seven deadly sins for which you will be tried as
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Speaker 1: an adult. Okay, not convinced yet, Casler listen to this.
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Speaker 13: Butler tries to rape Ls again, this time at his
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Speaker 13: home while his mother is there. Ls cries and says no,
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Speaker 13: while Butler straddles are on the couch but is removing
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Speaker 13: his own underwear when his mom knocks on the door
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Speaker 13: and asks if everything's okay. Butler then drives Ls home,
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Speaker 13: but park streets away, refusing to drop her off until
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Speaker 13: she does what he wants. Butler gropes Ls and moves
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Speaker 13: her hand over his groin. This goes on for hours.
28:16
Speaker 13: Ls afraid to try to leave, Butler only gives up
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Speaker 13: when his sister texts he needs to come home.
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Speaker 16: To Jesse's parents. I don't know what you knew. I
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Speaker 16: don't know if you heard me crying through the walls
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Speaker 16: or noticed how your son treated me when no one
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Speaker 16: was looking. But I hope you hear me now. Your
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Speaker 16: son hurt me in ways that cannot be undone, and
28:38
Speaker 16: I need you to understand that your silence, your protection
28:41
Speaker 16: of him or even your denial would hurt too, because
28:45
Speaker 16: someone should have stopped this, Someone should have seen the
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Speaker 16: bruises in the fear.
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Speaker 1: Did the parents know apparently, yes, you heard that. The
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Speaker 1: mother comes to the door and goes everything okay, in there,
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Speaker 1: it's her home, her home where this is happening. How
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Speaker 1: could she not know? Well, let's take a look at mommy,
29:06
Speaker 1: come arrest.
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Speaker 7: We're going to obviously tell our story too. Yeah, yes,
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Speaker 7: it's mom. Open the door, it's me. And if you'll
29:21
Speaker 7: just have him step out and give me your wallet
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Speaker 7: and phone and stuff.
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Speaker 17: So you're what, well, okay, it's not long tering thing
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Speaker 17: as in, okay, so can you tell him what you
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Speaker 17: just fell me?
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Speaker 1: Or yeah, so we're here.
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Speaker 18: We're obviously going to place you under arrest. There's a
29:43
Speaker 18: for your arrest. We're going to take you to the jail.
29:46
Speaker 18: I told your mom that she can contact a bondsman
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Speaker 18: and you shouldn't be.
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Speaker 1: Very there very long.
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Speaker 18: But there just is a process for paperwork and stuff.
29:56
Speaker 18: But right now you do have to come with us,
29:58
Speaker 18: and I do have to put you in a handcuffs,
29:59
Speaker 18: So turn around for metransport something.
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Speaker 7: I'll get you out right, all right, Stay silent, Ruthe
30:13
Speaker 7: knows about this. Can you dance on his way? We're
30:17
Speaker 7: coming to Okay, stay strong, Okay, say your prayers still.
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Speaker 5: Want Okay that way? They don't think you went tell me.
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Speaker 7: So horrible, awful experience.
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Speaker 5: For the child?
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Speaker 1: Did I just hear mommy say this is an awful
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Speaker 1: experience for a child? Is she talking about that hulk
30:46
Speaker 1: walking along in handcuffs? And did you notice doctor Cheryl Erritt,
30:53
Speaker 1: Mommy wasn't surprised at all. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,
31:05
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it reminds me of doctor Cheryl.
31:07
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen cops okay where they're playing bad boy,
31:12
Speaker 1: Bad Boy and they run through a house to make
31:15
Speaker 1: an arrest, and there's a guy sitting there drinking a
31:17
Speaker 1: beer in a lazy and a lazy boy watching TV.
31:20
Speaker 1: He just cop watches the cops run through like it's
31:23
Speaker 1: just another day at home, not surprised at all that
31:28
Speaker 1: the swat team is running across his living room. He
31:31
Speaker 1: just keeps watching TV. The mom shows no emotion at all.
31:37
Speaker 1: She's not surprised her son is charged with brutal attacks
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Speaker 1: on two high school girls. For Pete's sake, that's right.
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Speaker 15: There is no level of shock that you're seeing register
31:52
Speaker 15: for her about the gravity of the things that he
31:55
Speaker 15: is charged with. She immediately goes into babying him and
31:59
Speaker 15: trying to make sure that he knows that they're going
32:02
Speaker 15: to pull all the strings they can and he's gonna
32:04
Speaker 15: be okay. And her empathy and her compassion seems to
32:07
Speaker 15: be about rescuing him from the consequences of the crimes
32:11
Speaker 15: he's just been accused of, and with evidence with these
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Speaker 15: young girls, these high school girls who they know. Stillwater
32:20
Speaker 15: is not a big community. I mean, these girls were
32:25
Speaker 15: one of them we know was in her home and
32:27
Speaker 15: she was worried enough that something didn't sound right to
32:30
Speaker 15: knock on the door. But there is a sort of
32:32
Speaker 15: an act of not knowing, a denial that is not
32:36
Speaker 15: just a river in Egypt that we see in households
32:39
Speaker 15: where there is a violence, where people kind of take
32:43
Speaker 15: the convenient way out sometimes and pretend that they don't
32:47
Speaker 15: see the glaring red flags that they need to see.
32:51
Speaker 15: And this is one of the reasons I'm so concerned
32:53
Speaker 15: about this young man reoffending.
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Speaker 1: To Rachel Countryman joining US forensic nurse expert at Countrymen Consulting.
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Speaker 1: She is an expert witness an advisor on sex assault
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Speaker 1: strangulation cases all across the country. Rachel. Earlier, you said
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Speaker 1: that sometimes in rape victims you don't see a physical manifestation.
33:17
Speaker 1: In this case, you've got a high school girl bleeding
33:21
Speaker 1: from her genitals and you have a strangulation so severe
33:27
Speaker 1: that she has to have throat surgery and is left
33:30
Speaker 1: with permanent scars. Her face is drooping on one side.
33:34
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that qualify as proof forensic physical evidence that the
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Speaker 1: sex attacks occurred?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean for sure, that definitely that physical evidence
33:48
Speaker 9: that we don't always see. And you know, I further
33:51
Speaker 9: think about the brain injury that these girls maybe have
33:54
Speaker 9: occurred from the lack of oxygen during these strangulation attempts
33:58
Speaker 9: multiple and multiple times. And you know, as we know,
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Speaker 9: traumatic brain injuries, they're lifelong. You know, those things are
34:06
Speaker 9: something that you know, they're not just emotions that we
34:09
Speaker 9: can deal with and pass on or you know, there's
34:12
Speaker 9: something that these girls and their very young lives are
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Speaker 9: gonna have to deal with into their adults.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that arrest again. I'm really
34:20
Speaker 1: surprised that they didn't offer him some cookies and milk
34:25
Speaker 1: when they arrested him, they practically apologized for putting him
34:30
Speaker 1: in coast. For Pete's sake, this is a two time
34:33
Speaker 1: sex attacker. There's no question of guilt or innocence. Why
34:38
Speaker 1: are they treating him this way. I don't expect them
34:41
Speaker 1: to throw him face down on the asphalt and drag
34:43
Speaker 1: him to the car. But for Pete's sake, I mean again,
34:47
Speaker 1: milk and cookies, listen, ready.
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Speaker 7: To obviously tell our story too. Yeah, yes, it's mom
34:56
Speaker 7: opened the door. It's made. And if you'll just have
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Speaker 7: him step out and.
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Speaker 5: Give me your.
35:09
Speaker 7: Wallet and phone and stuff, so.
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Speaker 17: You're one, Okay, it's not a long during things like okay,
35:17
Speaker 17: so can you tell him what you just call me?
35:20
Speaker 1: Or yeah, so we're here.
35:23
Speaker 18: We're obviously going to place you under arrest. There's a
35:25
Speaker 18: for your arrest. We're going to take you to the jail.
35:28
Speaker 18: I told your mom that she can contact a bondsman
35:32
Speaker 18: and you shouldn't be very there very long. But there
35:35
Speaker 18: just is a process for paperwork and stuff. But right
35:38
Speaker 18: now you do have to come with us, and I
35:40
Speaker 18: do have to put you in handcasts so turn around
35:42
Speaker 18: for me.
35:42
Speaker 5: I don't have to put your Yeah, I transports something.
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Speaker 7: I'll get you out for me, all right, Silent knows
35:55
Speaker 7: about this. Can you dance on this way?
35:59
Speaker 17: We're coming, Okay, stay strong, Okay, so your prayers still
36:04
Speaker 17: are pay all.
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Speaker 5: Past that where they don't think you went for one
36:07
Speaker 5: full of.
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Speaker 7: Vitelli, A confluent experience for the time.
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Speaker 16: I will never forget the night you strangled me unconscious
36:22
Speaker 16: because I said no. That moment changed my life. A
36:26
Speaker 16: medical professional leader told me that I was just thirty
36:29
Speaker 16: seconds away from dying. Thirty seconds. If you had kept
36:34
Speaker 16: your hands on my neck just a little longer, I
36:36
Speaker 16: wouldn't be standing here today. That wasn't just as scare.
36:40
Speaker 16: It was a near death experience.
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Speaker 10: It didn't just hurt me.
36:44
Speaker 1: You nearly killed me. That strangulation victim l s one
36:50
Speaker 1: of the two little high school girls she ends up.
36:53
Speaker 1: That's the girl that had to have the surgery on
36:56
Speaker 1: her neck with a prominent scar. She had facial drooping
36:59
Speaker 1: me because of it. But I mentioned a second victim.
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Speaker 1: We're calling her k S Listen.
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Speaker 2: Later that same week, Butler tells KS he wants to
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Speaker 2: strangle her again, this time on film, because he enjoys
37:12
Speaker 2: watching her pass out afraid of what would happen if
37:14
Speaker 2: she refused Chaos and again loses consciousness while Butler's hands
37:17
Speaker 2: are wrapped around her neck. The officer who takes Kaos's
37:20
Speaker 2: report discovers the video still saved to Butler's phone, matching
37:24
Speaker 2: her description and time frame.
37:26
Speaker 1: Joining us now Domestic violence sex assault Detective NAPA Bill
37:32
Speaker 1: Hernandez Bill, thank you for being with us. How many
37:35
Speaker 1: times have you heard a defense attorney argue there's no
37:41
Speaker 1: proof that happened? And I remember jervis, what do you
37:44
Speaker 1: want a video? We've got a video, Bill, But yet
37:49
Speaker 1: the judge allowed him to walk free with counseling, and
37:54
Speaker 1: the DA with a straight face, put that up as
37:58
Speaker 1: the deal. That's terrible.
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Speaker 19: I can't imagine what these survivors are going to go
38:04
Speaker 19: through because of that deal that it was struck. It
38:08
Speaker 19: is unconscionable and it's really unbelievable that this happened, and
38:14
Speaker 19: it's really going to encourage more people like Jesse to
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Speaker 19: do things like this, and it's going to really stop
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Speaker 19: other survivors from wanting to report because they see that
38:25
Speaker 19: nothing's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Guys, there is a move afoot to kick out the
38:30
Speaker 1: prosecutor and.
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Speaker 20: The judge, Judge Worthington, previously underfire. A Cushing middle school
38:43
Speaker 20: teacher pleaded guilty to sexually harassing a thirteen year old student.
38:47
Speaker 20: Swain asked the girl for sexually explicit photos and to
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Speaker 20: meet him in private. Swain also caught trying to break
38:54
Speaker 20: in her bedroom window. Swains and it's to ten years,
38:57
Speaker 20: but Worthington suspended the majority Wwayne spending just a year
39:01
Speaker 20: behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner or Crime Stories investigative reporter. You've researched the
39:06
Speaker 1: judge's history. What can you tell me about a track record?
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Speaker 21: So Judge Susan Worthington suspended this middle school teacher's almost
39:14
Speaker 21: ten year sentence. So he spent just a year behind
39:17
Speaker 21: bars for sexually harassing a thirteen year old girl trying
39:21
Speaker 21: to break into her bedroom and Nancy, it gets worse
39:25
Speaker 21: after his release on that suspended sentence. Swayin raced a
39:29
Speaker 21: sixteen year old girl. He lured her into his car
39:33
Speaker 21: at a gas station parking lotch raped her, and then
39:36
Speaker 21: harassed her for months, trying to keep her quiet about
39:39
Speaker 21: what happened.
39:41
Speaker 22: That charge was dropped.
39:44
Speaker 21: The District Attorney's office did not prosecute Swayne for that race,
39:48
Speaker 21: and now he's charged again. Last year November, he was
39:53
Speaker 21: charged with sexually contacting a minor third offense.
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Speaker 1: Tessler. Look, I can't tell you how seriously I take
40:04
Speaker 1: every case I put in fun majury, in every guilty
40:07
Speaker 1: plea one. There's so many nightmares. But one of my
40:11
Speaker 1: worst possible nightmares is the thought that an innocent person
40:17
Speaker 1: is behind bars. Not only would the innocent person be
40:20
Speaker 1: behind bars, but the guilty person would be walking free.
40:25
Speaker 1: But when I hear that, how could the judge live
40:30
Speaker 1: with herself or the prosecutor? The prosecutor is just as bad.
40:33
Speaker 1: They're the one that put up the plea deal and
40:35
Speaker 1: the judge rubber stamped it. They both had the opportunity
40:40
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. Did you hear what Sidney
40:41
Speaker 1: was saying about Swain the middle school teacher breaking in
40:45
Speaker 1: to a middle school girl's bedroom, cut loose by Worthington
40:51
Speaker 1: went on to rape another little girl and harass her,
40:54
Speaker 1: and now he's up on a third count. I mean,
40:59
Speaker 1: I don't know how they can live with themselves. How
41:02
Speaker 1: do they sit down at the supper table at night
41:05
Speaker 1: and think everything's okay? That they're doing just a great job, right.
41:10
Speaker 4: Unfortunately or unfortunately, that's what makes judges usually become more
41:12
Speaker 4: and more conservative. You have one mistake like that and
41:15
Speaker 4: one backlash, and you say this is never going to
41:17
Speaker 4: happen again. This is rare, This is a unique situation.
41:21
Speaker 4: You're asking the right questions. I don't know the answers,
41:23
Speaker 4: but yeah, it is strange that a judge would not
41:25
Speaker 4: become over time more and more conservative, more and more
41:28
Speaker 4: concern that I'm going to make a mistake. I don't
41:30
Speaker 4: want to happen again.
41:31
Speaker 5: It sounds like it could be a mistake. I don't
41:33
Speaker 5: know all the details. I don't know why.
41:35
Speaker 1: But you know what, Randy, there's nothing that can be
41:37
Speaker 1: done now, is there. Once a plea has been offered
41:41
Speaker 1: and accepted. Once the state offers a plea, the defense
41:44
Speaker 1: accepts the plea. That's a deal. You cannot go back
41:48
Speaker 1: on a deal, no matter what, even if another prosecutor
41:52
Speaker 1: offered it. Once the deal has been accepted, it's a deal.
41:56
Speaker 1: But the judge doesn't have to accept it.
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Speaker 5: I mean, of course, if you find wrongdoing.
42:01
Speaker 4: You see this in politics all the time, right, If
42:03
Speaker 4: someone's wrongfully convicted because there was an impartial judge who
42:06
Speaker 4: was on the take. There are ways to go back
42:09
Speaker 4: at this, and that looks like what you're suggesting, this
42:11
Speaker 4: judge had some ulterior motive, some reason to help this
42:14
Speaker 4: community member that was a baseball star and a Rizon
42:17
Speaker 4: baseball star and connected by family. That's about the only
42:20
Speaker 4: way you can go about getting a sentence undone is
42:22
Speaker 4: to say that it wasn't done. Probably the person doing
42:24
Speaker 4: it was corrupt. Otherwise you can't go back and re
42:27
Speaker 4: argue the facts or say try again, you're right.
42:30
Speaker 5: The sentence is a sentence.
42:32
Speaker 1: You know Bill Hernandez who is a domestic violence sex
42:35
Speaker 1: assault detective in NAPA. Bill, you mentioned the burden that
42:42
Speaker 1: these victims, the rape victims and their families are going
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Speaker 1: to have going forward.
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Speaker 22: Described well, what's going to happen, what's going to have
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Speaker 22: to happen for them, is they're going to have to
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Speaker 22: deal with this trauma for ever, for the rest of
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Speaker 22: their lives.
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Speaker 19: There's also some long term consequences, especially related to the
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Speaker 19: stringulation that these girls are going to be suffering for
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Speaker 19: them a long time. And I heard that one of
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Speaker 19: them had to have surgery because of facial palsy and
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Speaker 19: also an injury to her neck, and it's just going
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Speaker 19: to be a long term, long time recovery for them
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Speaker 19: and the families.
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Speaker 16: I've had to carry this weight while going to school,
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Speaker 16: trying to act like I'm okay. I've woken up from
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Speaker 16: nightmares that make me feel like I'm being attacked all
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Speaker 16: over again. I've had to explain bruises, explain silence, Explain
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Speaker 16: why I started isolating from people who love me. You
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Speaker 16: didn't just strangle me with your hands. You strangle my voice,
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Speaker 16: my joy, my ability to feel safe in my own body.
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Speaker 1: Two high school girls brutally attacked, and the attacker enters
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Speaker 1: a NOLA, which is a conviction, and walks free with
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Speaker 1: counseling to Page tail Or vestigated Reporter Fox twenty five,
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Speaker 1: what if anything is happening, Well, we know that he.
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Speaker 3: Has to follow this plan under the Youth bull of
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Speaker 3: Under status, which means attending weekly counseling, one hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty hours of community service curfew, no social media, and
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Speaker 3: daily check in. So he will have to follow that
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Speaker 3: plan until he turns nineteen, which is less than a
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Speaker 3: year from now.
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Speaker 1: That will be next August.
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Speaker 3: If he strays from that plan or does not comply
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Speaker 3: with that plan, then he could go back to that
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Speaker 3: seventy eight year sentence.
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Speaker 1: So then nothing Randy Kessler very quickly. Once a deal
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Speaker 1: has been struck, even if it's a deal with the devil,
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Speaker 1: and the judge goes along with it, it's really hard
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Speaker 1: to change that, to get that.
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Speaker 5: Reversed, right, I mean that I was just there, that
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Speaker 5: that was right.
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Speaker 4: All we can do is hope the next time it
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Speaker 4: doesn't happen again, and do what we can to prevent
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Speaker 4: it from happening again.
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Speaker 5: But yes, the answer to your question briefly is yes.
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Speaker 1: He just fanned me a sam and she saying I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna act like I like it. We are working to
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Speaker 1: have the plea deal reversed. In the meantime, Judge, get
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Speaker 1: off the bench and same to you, District Attorney. You're
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Speaker 1: not worth the salt that goes in my bread be gone.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to see anything but tailhole and elbows
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Speaker 1: out of you while you run out of town. If
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Speaker 1: you know or think you know anything about this case,
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Speaker 1: please contact Stillwater PD four zero five three seven two
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Speaker 1: four one seven to one. And if you are someone
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Speaker 1: you know is an assault victim, please dial eight hundred
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Speaker 1: sixty five six four six seven three. We remember American
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Speaker 1: hero Deputy Sheriff Devin Haramio, Miami Dade, just twenty seven,
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Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty, leaving behind grieving parents.
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Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Devin Haramo Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.