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Murder In Moscow: A Gun, Ammunition And At Least One Knife Was Seized From Kohberger · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. Yesterday, we got a
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  Speaker 1: look at the unsealed warrant from Pennsylvania. And today we're
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  Speaker 1: getting even more information from that warrant. And some of
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  Speaker 1: the items that were seized from Brian Koberger's parents' house
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  Speaker 1: are very, very interesting. Now, when this all first started,
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  Speaker 1: And we heard that the person who was responsible used
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  Speaker 1: a knife to commit these murders. I said that I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a good possibility or likelihood that not only
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  Speaker 1: did he have a knife, but he probably had a
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  Speaker 1: gun as well as a backup, right? If you're going
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  Speaker 1: to go commit these murders, it would make sense to
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  Speaker 1: have a bit of a redundancy in place just in
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  Speaker 1: case something went south. And now that Pennsylvania has released
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  Speaker 1: all of the items, wouldn't you know, one of the
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  Speaker 1: items that was seized was a gun. Now that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean that he had it on his person, if he
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  Speaker 1: is the man the government tells us he is, when
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  Speaker 1: these murders occurred. But my guess is, if that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to commit murder, and you plan on using a
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  Speaker 1: knife for whatever reason, that you would have that backup
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  Speaker 1: plan of having a gun on you as well. And
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  Speaker 1: this is something that I've been convinced of forever. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that somebody would be so brazen to walk into
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  Speaker 1: a home where multiple people live and not have a
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  Speaker 1: firearm as well as that knife is kind of crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if we'll ever get any confirmation
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other, but I find it interesting
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  Speaker 1: as hell that they were able to recover a firearm
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  Speaker 1: from Brian Koberger's parents' home. Now, was it Brian Koberger's?
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  Speaker 1: Was it his father's? Did his father always have possession
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  Speaker 1: of it if it was his father's? There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions here. And obviously we're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: any of those answers because of the gag order. But
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  Speaker 1: now that this is being released, I think it's pretty significant, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: And we're learning about some other stuff that was found
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  Speaker 1: at this house as well. So let's get into this
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  Speaker 1: short article from the Daily Mail and let's get caught
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  Speaker 1: up real quick. Headline, two knives, a handgun, black mask,
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  Speaker 1: and Black Hat, among 63 items of evidence seized from
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger's parents' house, unsealed warrant reveals. Now, yesterday, remember,
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  Speaker 1: we had a small list. It was only, what, six
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  Speaker 1: or seven items that they took from Brian Koberger's home?
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  Speaker 1: And like I said then, if that's all they got, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's underwhelming as hell. But now that we're getting more
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  Speaker 1: information with other parts of the warrant being unsealed, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like they had a significant haul here, folks. a
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  Speaker 1: lot more so than what they got from the house
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  Speaker 1: in Pullman. This article was authored by Jen Smith. The
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  Speaker 1: full list of items seized by Pennsylvania police from Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's parents' house was revealed on Thursday and includes a knife, gun, ammunition,
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  Speaker 1: and a criminal psychology book. Koberger was arrested at his
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  Speaker 1: parents' home in Albrightville on December 30th after driving from
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  Speaker 1: Idaho to Pennsylvania with his father. Cops tied him to
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  Speaker 1: the gruesome quadruple murder of four college kids after tracking
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  Speaker 1: his white Hyundai to the scene. And the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they recovered a knife here, well, that's interesting. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's going to end up being the murder weapon
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  Speaker 1: because I think Koberger got rid of that. I've said
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  Speaker 1: that several times. But maybe this dude had so much
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  Speaker 1: hubris and was so confident in the crime that he
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  Speaker 1: committed that he decided to hang on to it. And
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  Speaker 1: if that's the case, and if the knife that they
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  Speaker 1: seized is the murder weapon, then Brian Koberger's done for.
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  Speaker 1: But I certainly have my doubts that it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be the knife that was used in these killings. But
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  Speaker 1: a few of the things that they found were very,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting. And chief amongst them, in my opinion, was
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  Speaker 1: certainly the fact that they found a gun. And we
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  Speaker 1: also see here that they did seize a cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Remember when we were talking yesterday with a little preliminary
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  Speaker 1: knowledge that we had, we didn't know if a cell
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  Speaker 1: phone had been seized or not. So it's interesting to
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  Speaker 1: know that they got the cell phone and with them
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  Speaker 1: getting that cell phone, obviously they have access to what's
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  Speaker 1: on it. So we know that we have heard about
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  Speaker 1: the picture of one of the girls at the very
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  Speaker 1: least being stored on the phone. And could this be
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  Speaker 1: the genesis of that? Could one of the officers who
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  Speaker 1: looked at the phone in Pennsylvania be the one who
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  Speaker 1: had that information and that information somehow leaked to the public?
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  Speaker 1: Very possible. It came from somewhere, right? Police seized 63
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  Speaker 1: items from Koberger's parents' house and they include a knife,
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  Speaker 1: a Smith & Wesson pocket knife, a Glock 22 Generation S.
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  Speaker 1: 40 caliber gun, three Glock. 40 caliber magazines, black face masks,
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  Speaker 1: black gloves, black hat, and the black mask. Multiple items
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  Speaker 1: of clothing, books, documents, bills, and prescriptions were also seized
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  Speaker 1: as part of the investigation. So out of those items,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them are pretty interesting, right? Black face masks, check.
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  Speaker 1: We know that Dylan said that the person she saw
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  Speaker 1: had their mouth and their nose covered with a face mask.
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  Speaker 1: We also know that the suspect, according to Dylan, was
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  Speaker 1: dressed in all black, so it makes sense for them
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  Speaker 1: to seize all of this black clothing as well, because
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  Speaker 1: they don't know what's what. Maybe Brian Koberger is more
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  Speaker 1: of a dummy than I even thought, and he kept
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  Speaker 1: all these clothes. If that's the case, forget it. He's
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  Speaker 1: definitely done for. So I doubt that he did. But
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  Speaker 1: if he did keep those clothes that he allegedly was
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  Speaker 1: wearing when he killed those four college kids, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to find the DNA on them and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to use those clothes against them. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm convinced that the dude burned them all, had a
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  Speaker 1: big ass burn pit and got rid of the knife.
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  Speaker 1: But obviously, that's all just my speculation. Nobody knows for
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  Speaker 1: sure what this dude was up to or even if
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is the man who did this. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: believe that he is. I believe that the evidence is
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  Speaker 1: very strong and it's all pointing towards him. However, until
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  Speaker 1: there is a conviction in court, we have to leave
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  Speaker 1: headroom for that not to be the case. Sometimes evidence
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  Speaker 1: is provided, new evidence is found, and it will turn
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  Speaker 1: things right on their head. It doesn't happen very often,
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  Speaker 1: but we have to leave the headroom just in case, right?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not one of these people that's just like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: somebody's guilty. I don't need to hear any more evidence,
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  Speaker 1: even if new evidence is provided that points to them
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  Speaker 1: not being guilty. There's people out there that once they
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  Speaker 1: get something in their head, they stick with it. Me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm an evidence-based guy, right? Wherever the evidence leads us,
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  Speaker 1: that's where we're going to go. And I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important that on that journey, we collect as much information
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  Speaker 1: as possible and have as much context surrounding that information.
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  Speaker 1: That way, we're fully armed, right? We know the details.
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  Speaker 1: We know what's going on. And most importantly, we know
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  Speaker 1: what's going on behind the scenes in the court because
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  Speaker 1: of the court filings. And that's going to be the
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  Speaker 1: blueprint that leads us to victory as far as following
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  Speaker 1: along with this case. Police had been watching Koberger for
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  Speaker 1: days before they raided the house in the early hours
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  Speaker 1: of December 30th. The 28-year-old criminal psychology student is due
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  Speaker 1: back in court in June. He is yet to enter
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  Speaker 1: a plea. Now, we know that he is going to
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  Speaker 1: enter a not guilty plea. He has said that, and
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  Speaker 1: we have heard that from his lawyer, Labar, in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: And the public defender's office in Idaho is certainly gearing
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  Speaker 1: up for a very long battle, and a battle that
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  Speaker 1: is literally for Brian Koberger's life. Koberger is accused of
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  Speaker 1: stabbing Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Carnodle, and Ethan Chapin
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  Speaker 1: on November 13th in a savage, unexplained quadruple murder. The
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  Speaker 1: off-campus house where the killings took place is soon to
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  Speaker 1: be demolished. Police say they not only traced his car
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  Speaker 1: to the scene, but that they also matched the DNA
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  Speaker 1: sample to Koberger's. And when we hear all of this
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  Speaker 1: other stuff about the things that they seized, my guess
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  Speaker 1: is they have a lot more evidence behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: than we're even aware of. And I think that when
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  Speaker 1: all is said and done, they're going to have a
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  Speaker 1: digital profile built of Brian Koberger that's going to knock
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  Speaker 1: your socks off. They got all of those digital warrants
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  Speaker 1: in the very beginning. Remember, over 50 warrants of a
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  Speaker 1: digital nature. So who knows what the hell they found
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  Speaker 1: on the computer, on the cell phone, and even on
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  Speaker 1: the fire stick. Because remember, you can use that fire
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  Speaker 1: stick to browse the web right on your TV. So
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  Speaker 1: who the hell knows what he was doing using that browser?
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  Speaker 1: So when we're talking about the digital nature of the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that has been collected, it is my guess that
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  Speaker 1: it is strong as hell. And if they have that
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  Speaker 1: GPS evidence to go along with it, the kind that
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  Speaker 1: really puts Brian Koberger directly at the 1122 King Road home,
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be almost no way for his team
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  Speaker 1: to challenge that kind of data. The GPS data is very,
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  Speaker 1: very difficult for the defense to challenge. We're not talking
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  Speaker 1: about the pings off of a tower here. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about legit GPS that can put you within a few
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  Speaker 1: feet of where you are. So when you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: that GPS data, that's a lot stronger than the pings
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  Speaker 1: coming off of the cell phone. And my guess is
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  Speaker 1: they got some of that or a lot of it
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  Speaker 1: when they had all of those digital warrants when this
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  Speaker 1: all first started. So it's going to be interesting as
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  Speaker 1: hell to see the drip of information that we're getting
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  Speaker 1: from the court as far as these court documents. and
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  Speaker 1: the unsealed warrants and affidavits and all of the other
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  Speaker 1: stuff that has been kept close to the vest. And
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  Speaker 1: with the gag order in place, the best way to
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  Speaker 1: do it. way to follow along with what's going on
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  Speaker 1: is to follow the court documents and that's what we're
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