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Can getting healthy revive the Tigers' season? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into an episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley. With
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  Speaker 1: me are a couple of dudes that just missed the
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  Speaker 1: cut for the Love Island Cast. Kobe, David Hagen, Austin Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: What's up, fellas? How we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hey?
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  Speaker 3: The Tigers knew Ajax was coming back on. They put
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  Speaker 3: out a little show for him so we could have
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  Speaker 3: some good stuff to talk.
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  Speaker 2: About it that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, we're recording this shortly after the Tigers beat
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  Speaker 1: the Rays eight to nothing. That's coming on the heels
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  Speaker 1: of a ten to nine win on Monday. And uh, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't think anyone needs to
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  Speaker 1: back up my research here. Eighteen runs in two games
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  Speaker 1: is the most for the Tigers in a two games
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  Speaker 1: fan this season. I almost don't know what to do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. What do we watch it? Here?
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  Speaker 1: Is this is this real life? Did we just see
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  Speaker 1: eighteen runs in this offense? We kept talking, talking, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, I actually kind of missed my point last
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  Speaker 1: time we recorded an episode, and I was like, Man,
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  Speaker 1: all these blown leads. You know how you saw blown leads.
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  Speaker 1: Hit the damn ball, get some runs across, so you
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  Speaker 1: don't have you know, they'll get the lead blown, you
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  Speaker 1: get a bigger lead. Well, that worked a lot on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday didn't necessarily come their fruition it on the other
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  Speaker 1: set end there. But Cody, what's your reaction, man? What
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  Speaker 1: do we watch it here? We've been talking a lot
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  Speaker 1: about down topics. Now we got some up ones.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's just the Tigers, man. They always make you
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  Speaker 3: shift gears so harshly. You can never just kind of smoothly,
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  Speaker 3: you know, go from first to second to third. I'm look,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. Like it's a nice reminder that this
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  Speaker 3: team does have better baseball in it, that that still
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  Speaker 3: exists coming off a six and twenty two month. It's
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  Speaker 3: just unfortunate that the whole is so deep. They're still
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  Speaker 3: fourteen games under five hundred. They got a long clim
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  Speaker 3: back to the surface. But it's funny how this goes man.
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  Speaker 3: Baseball is a funny game. They hit eighteen home runs
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  Speaker 3: in the month of May. Two days into June, they've
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  Speaker 3: hit eight home runs. You know, they've also reached half
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  Speaker 3: their home run total with just two good offensive nights
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  Speaker 3: helps to get some of your dudes back, Ajax. You
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  Speaker 3: might have some thoughts on that, but like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. It's basically and of course it happens against
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  Speaker 3: the best team in the American League, the Rays. After
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  Speaker 3: they had lost to you know, lost a series to
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  Speaker 3: the Angels, lost against what we considered weak competition, they
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  Speaker 3: go on the road to Tampa have their best two
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  Speaker 3: nights in at least a month.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that if this was happening to a
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  Speaker 4: lesser team than the Tigers, then I would just kind
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  Speaker 4: of be like, yeah, well, you know, they've kind of
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  Speaker 4: shown that this is who they are. But the past
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  Speaker 4: two years they arguably have been the best team definitely
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  Speaker 4: in the American League in certain instances in the league.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, the talent is there are the type
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  Speaker 4: of team that the Tigers are. They're just not healthy,
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  Speaker 4: right Like, they're not healthy and they're starting to get
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  Speaker 4: that back. And you see that, for instance today right
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  Speaker 4: away what Glabor does for this lineup and just his
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  Speaker 4: presence in general, just right away making a statement showing
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  Speaker 4: that he is, you know, he's part of that nucleus
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  Speaker 4: in that clubhouse and in that lineup that kind of
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to say necessarily just solidifies them, but
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  Speaker 4: just gives them that veteran type leadership and just the
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  Speaker 4: way the game needs to be played. He plays the
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  Speaker 4: game at a certain pace that it just he makes
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  Speaker 4: the guys around him I feel like a lot more comfortable.
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  Speaker 4: He just has this very calm demeanor about him when
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  Speaker 4: he's in the box, and I feel like that kind
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  Speaker 4: of trickles down throughout the lineup.
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  Speaker 2: And you saw it today.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just making that impact with the first swing,
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  Speaker 4: not knowing what you know, what he was going to
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  Speaker 4: provide offensively coming back and he makes a statement right away,
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  Speaker 4: and then you just see how contagious.
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  Speaker 2: That at bat was throughout the game.
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  Speaker 4: That him setting the tone right away lets me know that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they haven't had their pieces back and getting
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  Speaker 4: cart back and.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing what he did yesterday getting.
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  Speaker 4: The pieces back, you know, getting the pieces back together,
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  Speaker 4: and it started with you know, Scoobs going down.
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  Speaker 2: It was a trickle effect, you know when that happened.
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  Speaker 4: So getting guys healthy, I think there is there's hope
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  Speaker 4: because there's a lot of baseball to be played.
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  Speaker 2: We see it every year, you know, really good teams.
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  Speaker 4: Get hurt early or late, whatever it is, and that
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  Speaker 4: a lot of that determines the type of baseball that
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  Speaker 4: they play. So I think there is hope because you're
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  Speaker 4: going to start to see guys getting healthy, and you're
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  Speaker 4: going to start to see that that lineup on paper
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  Speaker 4: that we saw in spring training, you know, start to
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  Speaker 4: come back, and I think the team would just look
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  Speaker 4: a lot different.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: I love that phrase. The determines the type of baseball
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  Speaker 1: they can play. I mean, that's really like the great
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  Speaker 1: way to summarize the Tigers this year and then the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers that you know that we've seen this week, because
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  Speaker 1: it does allow them to play a different type of baseball,
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  Speaker 1: allows the lineup to look a certain way, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of those one of those things that I've said
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  Speaker 1: it before on this pod, but like you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the stats about no teams made the playoffs that's had
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  Speaker 1: this record through this many games, and you know, that
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  Speaker 1: includes a lot of teams that you're that are expected
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  Speaker 1: to be The vast majority of that sample are teams
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  Speaker 1: that are expected to be bad and then they are
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  Speaker 1: just bad. The Tigers were obviously not expected to be bad.
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  Speaker 1: They were hurt and so if I'm gonna cling to something,
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  Speaker 1: this is something I thought a while ago, and now
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  Speaker 1: here's some evidence two games worth, but you know, some
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  Speaker 1: evidence that like this team does not and should not
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully does not fall into the category the vast
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  Speaker 1: majority of the teams that are in that sort of
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  Speaker 1: stat that is really depressing the look at. Obviously there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to you know, a lot of baseball left
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  Speaker 1: to be played. But throughout this streak of bad baseball play,
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  Speaker 1: I kept looking for like little things when things were
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  Speaker 1: going right. Now, there weren't that many instances, but I
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  Speaker 1: kept looking for, like how are they reacting to going
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  Speaker 1: up one oh two oho in the first ending? Like
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  Speaker 1: how are the guys moving around the field, Those like
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  Speaker 1: little things. I'm looking to see if they gave up basically,
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  Speaker 1: and I never did. And even when they you know,
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  Speaker 1: get a game win against Baltimore, I'm like, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: it was like really enthusiastic reaction, not just like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta win, you know what I mean. I like,
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  Speaker 1: those little things make a difference to me over the
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  Speaker 1: course of one sixty two. So so, Austin, I guess
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  Speaker 1: my question to you also is is there like you
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  Speaker 1: talked about the the baseball part of it, of a
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  Speaker 1: tourist coming back and a carpenter coming back. Is there
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  Speaker 1: something to just seeing them in uniform or walking in
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  Speaker 1: the clubhouse when it's like, all right, my guys are back,
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  Speaker 1: like you. Is there any sort of lift that just
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  Speaker 1: comes with them being there. I know some of them
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  Speaker 1: are there rehabbing, but like being there and being able
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  Speaker 1: to play. Is there a intangible aspect of these guys
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  Speaker 1: coming back as well?
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  Speaker 2: Man, Heck yes, it is.
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  Speaker 4: It definitely is when you see, you know, one of
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  Speaker 4: your your guys, one of the guys that again kind
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  Speaker 4: of you know, it's part of the identity of of
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  Speaker 4: who the Tigers are, who your ball club is. When
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  Speaker 4: they come back or when they're not there, you you
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  Speaker 4: feel that presence being missed. So when they come back,
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  Speaker 4: it's like now we go, you know, because this now
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  Speaker 4: it's kind of shapes us and puts us more in
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  Speaker 4: line of who we are and not putting guys in
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  Speaker 4: certain situations and trying to get them to perform, and
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  Speaker 4: in situations they're typically not, you know, there, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be in so there's a lot of pressure on those
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  Speaker 4: guys to perform. And then when it's not happening, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and then you start compiling all the other things that
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about, you you're at where you're at, You're
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  Speaker 4: at the bottom, right, So yes, it definitely lifts a
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  Speaker 4: team when you see one guy and then you get
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  Speaker 4: two guys back that really solidify that lineup. And again
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  Speaker 4: that clubhouse, Yes, guys are guys are pumped up. They're like,
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  Speaker 4: now now we go. Now it's time to go. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you got schools coming back some type soon, and that's
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  Speaker 4: gonna that's gonna lift them even more. That's gonna give
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  Speaker 4: them even more confidence. So if they can kind of
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  Speaker 4: just get back to playing the style of baseball and
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  Speaker 4: win some games, win some series, really got to tighten
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  Speaker 4: up against some of the teams in your division, right,
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  Speaker 4: those are the games you really got to try to
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  Speaker 4: take care of to set that that that statement. You know,
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  Speaker 4: those are those are states, Those are rivalries in your
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  Speaker 4: division that you know, you you really want to make
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  Speaker 4: a statement in those games. But once those guys come back, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you can you can see the clubhouse transition from a
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  Speaker 4: clubhouse that feels like they were beat up to like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: now we go. There's still a lot of baseball to
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  Speaker 4: be played, and we're gonna shock the world. Like, as
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  Speaker 4: a competitor, that's what I'm thinking. I'm like, we're never
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  Speaker 4: out of it. Wait till our guys get back, and
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  Speaker 4: then we're gonna show y'all what time it is. So
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  Speaker 4: that's that's how I'm thinking. As a betman, I don't
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  Speaker 4: like the odds, but I'm not a bet man, right,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm more of a competitor, So that's always gonna
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  Speaker 4: be my mindset is I'm never out of it until
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  Speaker 4: we're until we're out of it, right, I don't care
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  Speaker 4: about what a stat says or what history said.
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  Speaker 2: We can prove history wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's there is a history piece to this. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll throw this to Cody where like, look, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be prisoner of the moment here because that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of fun to do on a Tuesday night after the
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  Speaker 1: two games that we've seen. Is there Cody something too, like, Look,
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  Speaker 1: the odds are this, but given what this group has
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  Speaker 1: been through, if there was a team that could, is
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  Speaker 1: it not this team with this manager? Is there something
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  Speaker 1: to that statement, even if it's just in a vacuum.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know because there had been this can
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  Speaker 3: like throughout the whole last month, like, is something deeper
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  Speaker 3: broken here? Look at their record over the last ninety
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  Speaker 3: games dating the last year. It's really nic it's bad.
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  Speaker 3: But the Tigers entered Tuesday with playoff odds still at
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  Speaker 3: about eleven percent. It's a lot better than the zero
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  Speaker 3: point two percent that they overcame two years ago. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm really not trying to overreact to two games. If
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  Speaker 3: they can go twenty two and six to a race
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  Speaker 3: last month, then we can start talking. But I do
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  Speaker 3: think it is important to keep in perspective a few
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  Speaker 3: things like the trade deadline, which everyone seems to be
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  Speaker 3: fast forwarding to, is still two months away. It's August
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  Speaker 3: third this year, so it's actually you get some bonus
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  Speaker 3: days in there. We just saw how quickly things can change,
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  Speaker 3: what can happen in a month. Although I don't feel
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  Speaker 3: great about the Tigers climbing out of this hole when
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  Speaker 3: you're still fourteen games under five hundred. Like we've talked
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  Speaker 3: about how weak the American League is, eleven percent odds
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  Speaker 3: are are not zero, And again, if they can get
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  Speaker 3: it to a more manageable deficit, have a healthier roster.
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  Speaker 3: I understand why people are talking about the trade deadline
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  Speaker 3: and understand why everyone's talking about like, oh, where's scooball
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  Speaker 3: gonna go? But I think it's a little like we're
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  Speaker 3: just not quite there yet. They are not for sure
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  Speaker 3: sellers today. And I would have said that even before
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  Speaker 3: they you know, had a nice two games against the Rays, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, like that was Jack Flaherty's first win
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  Speaker 3: since September tenth, and then you had in Manuel de Jesus,
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  Speaker 3: who had not pitched in eleven days, just look great
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  Speaker 3: through four innings a four innings save. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what was in the water. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if the guys just stayed at a hotel they
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  Speaker 3: really liked. I don't know how you explain that, but
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  Speaker 3: it was a little bit of a reminder of like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we you know, we do have a long way to go.
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  Speaker 1: Still, all right, we're gonna talk a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: about Jack Flaherty because in fairness, he's had struggles and
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, Jack Flarerity five innings. He
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  Speaker 1: gave a five hits, six K's two walks. He did
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  Speaker 1: have some traffic on the base pass there and it
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  Speaker 1: was I don't want to say dicey, but like you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've seen enough to where it could get there. But
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  Speaker 1: obviously he was able, you know, to work around. I
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  Speaker 1: think he had ninety five on inner fastball in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth inning. Obviously a good sign when when Flarity's getting
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  Speaker 1: ninety five. I mean, probably the worst thing he did today,
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  Speaker 1: or the biggest error I guess I should say, was
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  Speaker 1: he forgot or it fell off or whatever. But he
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  Speaker 1: didn't have his lou Garret patch on in the first ending.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else caught that. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the lou Garet patch on in the first inning,
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  Speaker 1: and then after that it was it was on there.
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  Speaker 1: So that was probably the biggest mishap Jack Flarity had
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  Speaker 1: was he didn't commemorate Luke Garrett for the first ending.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, he was pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, another nice outing for Jack. I actually thought his
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  Speaker 3: previous outing where he had allowed three runs, he was
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  Speaker 3: probably actually a little more sharp. As you alluded to, Karen.
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  Speaker 3: The pitch count got elevated, he only got through five.
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  Speaker 3: But what I liked was the compete mode was there.
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  Speaker 3: He locked in and made some pitches from the stretch
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  Speaker 3: runners on base when he absolutely had two, including against
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  Speaker 3: some tough hitters Junior Cameronero, Jonathan Ronda. The command wasn't
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  Speaker 3: totally precise, but he had enough. You know, he had
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  Speaker 3: some swing and miss stuff. And yeah, you talked earlier
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  Speaker 3: like looking for signs our guys giving up Jack. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we like credit for this. I credit cater Montero for
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  Speaker 3: pitching well, for ma making such a strong case to
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  Speaker 3: stay in the rotation, adding a little compete for the
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  Speaker 3: whole clubhouse. We've seen maybe a couple other instance of that.
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  Speaker 3: There's about to be some stuff on the line. There's
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  Speaker 3: some stuff on the line for Jack Flaherty, and there's
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  Speaker 3: no way he's oblivious to that. So some other guys
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  Speaker 3: start stepping up their game. Maybe that contribute to what
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  Speaker 3: we've seen from Jack Flaherty. The last two times out
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  Speaker 3: have looked quite a bit better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will I will say this.
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  Speaker 4: I like that his uh, he was using that fastball
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  Speaker 4: and counts that guys are probably looking for all speed.
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  Speaker 4: Like the fastball was sneaky today, like and it was sneaky.
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  Speaker 4: His last nark start too, but I think he started
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  Speaker 4: to rely a little bit more on the all speed
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  Speaker 4: and he threw at He threw a very like explosive
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  Speaker 4: fastball today, was surprising some of the Tampa Bay hitters
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  Speaker 4: and they were late on it. And again I don't
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  Speaker 4: I could say maybe it was a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: them looking more for the all speed, because he he
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  Speaker 4: will tend to rely on the all speed sometimes a
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  Speaker 4: little too much.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about that last time. Austin the hoody Face
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  Speaker 3: had four heads in the same inning, all off breaking
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  Speaker 3: balls his last time.
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  Speaker 4: And it was crazy because it was like man like
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  Speaker 4: his fastball was working like and you know, it can
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  Speaker 4: get a little weird sometime as far as you know location,
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  Speaker 4: but a good fastball is still tough to hit when
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  Speaker 4: it's when it's located, you know, right, or it's it's
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  Speaker 4: on the edge. And I think we kind of get
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  Speaker 4: too much credit sometimes, but being able to hit that
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  Speaker 4: fastball when we're looking for an all speed pitch and
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  Speaker 4: you throw a good fastball in there, it'll tie guys
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  Speaker 4: up all day. So I think if he kind of
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  Speaker 4: starts to work a little bit of that end by
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  Speaker 4: not being so predictable, not you know, relying so much
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  Speaker 4: on that all speed pitch and trusting his fastball and
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  Speaker 4: locating the good fastball. He did it a few times
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  Speaker 4: today with with with one ball, like early in the count,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: and then he came back with a nice Chris fastball
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: and I was like, that's that's it right there, that
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: you you locate that fastball that's in the hitter's mind.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I don't care who you are if you can locate
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: that fastball. And then you start to he has that
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: little that little slider kind of sweeper thing that that
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: works really well off of there, and it's really tight.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Sometimes he kind of gets you know, kind of gets
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: under it, kind of pops up first. But when he's
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: spotting that fastball at the knees and he throws that
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: nice like little slider cutter thing, I mean, it looks
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: like a fastball out of the hand and you can tell,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: you know, really because of how the hitters are are
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: either taking it or swinging at it, that they're not
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: picking it up.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: So that's interesting. You bring that up, Austin like before,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: you know, last week aj Hinch had said they were
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: looking more at usage tweaks. You know, someone had ask like,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: would you start using an opener for Jack. Do you
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: have to get creative? He was like, no, we're we're
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: gonna try to tweak his usage. If you just look
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: at like the percentages the last two outings, it's not
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: a lot different. He was forty nine percent fastball in
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: this game, which is I think only a tick above
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: what he normally or excuse me, no, he was fifty
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: five percent fastball. He's normally forty nine percent, so he's
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: a little bit above. He was a little bit higher curveball,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit less, slighter, kind of subtle, but a
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: little more fastball. You can notice it. And then to
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: your point, maybe it's that fastball and breaking ball counts.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's not just the overall usage, it's whin are
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: you using it? How are you using it? Maybe they're
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: figuring something out there.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Ye, well, something that the Tigers, you know, this season
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: was going to be very very very unpleasant to watch
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: if they didn't quote figure it out. Was a way
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to not blow leads. So I alluded to that a
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: little bit earlier. Everyone's got everything's kind of hunky dory
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: right now. But it was tench there on Monday night,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: blowing the uh, blowing the lead the way they did,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and obviously will Vest comes in and the door down
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: with like what Cody forty pitches forty one career high. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: so that's you know, a little uneasiness there. But I
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a question for you, Austin is like this has kind
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: of become a theme. Like if you're in the field
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: for the Tigers, you have seen a lot of leads
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: get blown late in games, you know, and so like
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: when this stuff is happening over and over again, and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: like it just kind of feels like you can't get
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the bounce here or you know, you know, history is
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: repeating itself and like all these other cliches, Like how
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: how do you feel when when that is just kind
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of happening, like I said, over and over again, is
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: it a like are you down about it? Do you feel?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Do you look enter and say like what could I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: have done to not put us in that situation? Do
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: you get mad at the bullpen? Like what's what's the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: player emotion when this sort of event just keeps happening.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Over Yeah, I mean excuse me, dang as a player, Yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: you get you get down. I think mentally it starts
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: to wear on you a little bit where you start.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: To because as baseball.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Players were so routine oriented that we're doing the same
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: routine and it's just like this is this is.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Who we were when we were winning. We're doing the
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: same type of things. It's just not working out.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: And really you can just credit that too, is it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: just baseball, right like it's baseball, and they're going through
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: their moment right now where it can go one or
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: two ways where guys can start to really lose confidence
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: in that clubhouse, can really start a dynamic can start
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: to change, which I don't think it will when again
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: when some of the core guys start coming back. But
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: it's about just weathering the storm the best way you can.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: There's no secret that they're struggling and they know that, but.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: They have to just weather the storm.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: They have to continue trying to, you know, put the
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: pieces together to win baseball games. And sometimes it's not
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: gonna be pretty games, and sometimes it's gonna be you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: games like we saw today. But guys are being used
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: again in situations are probably more than they're used to
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: or capable of, and so it exposes it exposes, especially
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: that bullpen, when they get used in ways that they're
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: not typically used to. And you know, again you can
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: credit that to to the trickle effect of Scoop of
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: getting hurt in my eyes, and but I think that
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: you you you just you try to block the outside
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: noise out as much as possible, because again, you know that, hey,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: we got our guys coming back, and I'm telling you
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: from experience how much that that lifts a team. You're
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: just like, if we can just hold on as much
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: as possible until you know, we start to get healthy again,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: we can put ourselves in contention towards the end of
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the year. You kind of got to wipe what's going
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: on right now and and and move on very quickly.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: It's like, okay, next game, how can we build off
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: the off of this momentum. And they've they've created a
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: little momentum for themselves to really kind of kind of
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: start their way with with trending back towards trying to
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: to be in contention.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: We've seen it happen.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: If if anything, we can't just count a team out,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: especially like the Tigers. So I think they I think
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: they know that they're still a really good team, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: I think they know that if once they get healthy
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: and they start getting the pieces back together, they'll they'll
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: be in a good position come the end.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Of the season.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Cody seven pitchers. I just went and counted seven pictures
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: on Monday.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: So if you're.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Looking for like good graces like Tuesday, you just have
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to use two With Flaherty, I mean, that's obviously why
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: he even went out there in the sixth thing. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: know he didn't record it now, but like you have
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit of cushion, you're you know, it's kind
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of like a complimentary baseball thing where it's like, see
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: if you can get some more and than the Hacy's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: obviously doing his thing there like that, that part can't
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: be understated as much as eight to nothing sounds cool.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: The fact you only had to use two arms for.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: This, You're right, I mean, going into that game, I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: was like, may they might be cooked before this one
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: even starts. Can you have Jack who doesn't have a
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: win since September tenth, and you have pretty much noble pin.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you actually brought up the Monday game because
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: good right now, like Tuesday was good. That Monday game
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: was like his tints of a watch. I was, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: was like, if they blow this. Someone might quit, someone
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: might not get on the plane. Someone might be like,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I'm just going home, because that really did feel like
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: you cannot do anything. You were up by what eight
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: runs at one point, I think or six runs, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: then you're watching it, you're believe, and then you're you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you got how you Lee miss involved. You have Keith
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: and Torque not being able to make plays. You just
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: have everything unraveling. One thing I am still worried about
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: is this bullpen. I mean bow brisky. This is a
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: guy that Tigers need to be big time. This is
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a guy that Tigers need to be twenty twenty four
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: bow brisky.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: He has been big time in a while, but he.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Has been It's been a long time, is what I'm saying.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: you know, he's getting ease back into the major leagues.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: It hasn't been pretty. Maybe if he can get his
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: footing under him, you know, things could be better. But
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: he wasn't great even in his Toledo rehab starts. I
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: think he was brought up kind of out of necessity.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: You know, Kyle Finigan hasn't been perfect as of late.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: That was a big time effort by will Vest to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: grind it out and get those outs through forty pitches.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: We know we talked that nauseum about what happened last
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: time he was up over thirty. I thought that was
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: a big time effort from him. Brent Herder is now
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in the sixty day IL so get used to seeing
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Drew Summers. Who's gonna have to find the strike zone.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: I think this offense will most likely be a little
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: bit better in the month of June. You're likely getting
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Tek Skoogle back. Your rotation might be an okay shape.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I'm really circling this bullpen as what's going to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: a huge part of whether the Tigers can or can't
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: get back on track.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Can't have all nice things all at the same time.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I guess you know how all offense gigs going and then,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: but I guess that's just how it works. All right,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: let's up. Let's let's shift the conversation here real quick
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to the division leader and the kings of the division,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the Cleveland Guardians. Austin, you spent some time, as you
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: have the past couple years, but we spent some time
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: recently covering them over there. For for Cleveland TV. So
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: how do they keep doing this?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Man? Like?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: How like like like they're supposed to die, Like why
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: are they not died yet? Like like like give us
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the Austin Jackson opinion on why Cleveland just just keeps
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: being the class of the division despite everyone like predicting
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna take this step back and they're don't.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: They don't have all the pieces And I don't know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: it seems like and by the way, I'm guilty of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it too, but it's like, damn it. How how how Austin?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: How well?
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: You know kind of like what you're saying, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: everybody's counting on them to fall off, right like they're
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: just waiting for that moment. And I can tell you,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: as as a former player, how much that feel everything,
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: you know, just just getting just getting the hate or
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: whatever or just the lack of of you know, support
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: when you're when you're doing well, that that fuels you.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: So I think they're fueled by that knowing that people
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: are counting them out. So we we love that. We
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: love to feel like people count us out.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Because it makes us. It makes us crazy, you know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: it makes us crazy.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: To it and to an extent so, but if you
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: just look at the style of baseball they play, it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: a very gritty, it's a very just slasher type, you know, baseball.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: It's just a it's a type of baseball that that
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: really irritates the opposing team because they run the bases aggressively,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: they run them smart, they play really good defense, they
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: have good pitching, and offensively, they just get the job done.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: You know, they don't have a ton of pop in
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: that lineup. They have some pop, but they don't rely
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: on that. They rely on getting runners, on moving runners over,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: getting runners in that style of baseball that is contagious,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: the one that is not always exciting to watch, right, Like,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: that's the style of baseball they play. And I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: it's all It starts with that guy on third base,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Jose Ramirez.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, when you have your guy playing the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: style of baseball that's just grimey, that's just getting dirty,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: taking the extra base, all of that ignites that clubhouse
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: man and guys start feeding off of that, and so
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: they're they're bought in. We talked about this really a
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: couple of years with the Tigers and how they kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: of had that buying mentality of that gritty type of baseball,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and then it just looks like Cleveland has adopted that
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: mindset like we're gonna be grimy, We're gonna be gritty.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We're not gonna, you.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Know, come out here and rely on the the three
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: four run home run all the time. We're gonna we're
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: gonna manufacture runs, uh and put pressure on the opposing team.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And that's that's what I've seen.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I've seen them put a lot of pressure on the
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: opposing team on the base pass. You know, they're aggressive
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: on the base pass. They play again, they play solid defense,
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: and they're they're really good at just getting jobs done,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, getting runners in scoring position and
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: then getting a job done. That seems to be like
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: the focus offensively for them, and that's a that's a
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: brand of baseball. It's just hard to beat. And you
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: can repeat that. You can get out there and grind
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: that bats out. You know, you can get out there
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: and and you know, work hard for your picture. You
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: always you're not always gonna have that that big moment
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: all the time, right, So they they do that all
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: the time, and they do it well.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: So that's that's what I think that's what I've seen
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: from from them so far.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: And also they do a good job, man of developing
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: their their pictures right, Like they don't have this crazy
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: you know guys doing ninety eight ninety nine.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody is pretty you know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: They they develop and they use their value in the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: way that you know, their their strengths.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: They use their strengths.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: And it really adds a lot of value to the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: team because of their their mindset of developing the pitchers
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: to be who they're who they are, and they go
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: out and they're they're prepared for the big leagues when
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: they get there.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: So simple. Why doesn't everybody do it? I don't know,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: but but right Cleveland, Cleveland's got they got it going on,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: man like mad respect to him for that, and uh,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and they're irritating as hell the watch. And I mean
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that in a good way, like they're irritating as hell
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to watch. I mean, real quick little housekeeping notes here,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Cody the Torres move. Obviously he gets activated, and then
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: the Tigers decided to send down how you Lee as
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: opposed to Twitter's favorite Tiger Zach Short, who, to his
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: credit today uh played play played maybe his.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Best game of the year, two hits in a walk,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: but everything was coming up Tigers today. No, the internet
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: was mad at Zach Short for staying rather than how
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: you Lee.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: My thoughts on the Zach Short situation are pretty well documented.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Neither of them are great right now, so I'm not
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: gonna get too worked up about it. Zach Short pretty
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: clearly staying on this roster because he can play shortstop.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: He's a right handed hitter who plays shortstop, and I
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: think it's kind of that simple. He can at least
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: be used as a late game defensive replacement if he's
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: not playing regularly, whereas, especially with glaberback, he was going
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: to get harder for how you lead to have any
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: at bats to really have much of a role, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: based on just sort of the clumsiness, the weird mechanics
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: at the plate. Someone who's still young still has some
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: talent that you're gonna want to go play every day.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I get the frustration. It'd be nice if the Tiger's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: roster were a little more robust and you didn't need
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Zach Short, But if it comes down to it, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: do think, like, like even just the defensive replacement role,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I kind of get it?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah T.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I goes to the short stop, Yeah T. I goes
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: to the short stop. I goes to the guy that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: can play center field and the guy who.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Has options that tends to help. Not that you should be,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: don't get me started on that. That played a role
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: here too.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Probably all right, let's let's go down memory lane here
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: to wrap up the pod. Today is the anniversary of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Armando Galleragua's near perfect game. Do you believe how long
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: twenty ten? Austin two ten? It's a long time ago,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you know. I think all of us remember where we
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: were when that happened. It's a little bit easier for
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Austin to remember where he was when that happened. So well,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of things I wanted to get
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to this with you, Austin, And one of them is
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: just like when you think back, like this is something
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that it's literally gonna get brought up every year for
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: as long as major League Baseball is played, especially major
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: League Baseball in Detroit, Like, it is that significant of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: an event. So when you reflect that you were a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: part of it, and a memorable part of it at that, Like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: what does that mean to you?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh? It means a lot.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: You know, that I was able to be a part
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: of something so significant and that will always be ingrind
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: ingrained in the in the history of baseball and probably
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: single handedly is the reason for where we're at today
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: in baseball as far as is with the replays, you
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like that, that particular situation, that
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: moment in baseball, you know, is a big reason why
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: we have replays now to get to get things right
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: when when they're right. So but I I, you know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I think about that moment a lot, just because it
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: gets brought up a lot. But another thing I think
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: about is just about how nobody everybody remembers that because
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: of the call.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Right. That's that's really what everybody remembers.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: They don't really they don't talk about Armando and how
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: he went out and he dealt right because it was
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: not It wasn't It wasn't exciting in a way that
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: you see Paul's schemes go out there and he's lighting
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: up the radar gun.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was just pitching. And I don't say
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: that with no disrespect, right, the not exciting part. He
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: was just pitching.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: He was keeping guys off balance and just not to
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: mention that we see nightly guys mess up plays all
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: the time, and just for everything to just be in
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: its place at at at that moment was was just
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: awesome because you like, again you see plays all the
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: time get zooed and and that'll that changed the whole
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: outcome of that game, if any of that happened. So
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: there was so much that went on during that game,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: and all we think about is that call. But like
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I got the experience each and every inning to like
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: the fifth or sixth inning where it was like it
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: start that emotion really started to build and you really
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: started to fill it like the air in the in
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the stadium, right like you really felt the air and
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: you felt the buzz and I remember all that, all
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: of that stuff, and then I immediately go to the
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: call and it just messes all of my you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: just the smells and just what you know, just a
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: regular night and oh man, everybody was just on. It's
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: like it all gets ruined by the outcome of that
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: that days. But but it was awesome to be a
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: part of, man, it really was. And again I just
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: think about all the plays that were made to make
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: something like that happen.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It was special.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I mean like when you caught that ball in the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: ninth inning, the famous catch. Everybody knows what I'm talking
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: about here. When you caught that ball in the ninth inning,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: did you think this is actually like this is actually
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: gonna happen like like that something like that happens like
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: there's nothing, nothing could stop us now, But like over here,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: is that? Is that what you felt?
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: First of all, I just didn't want I didn't want
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: it to be me. There was the reason why that
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: that stopped. So you saw when I was running after
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: that ball, that was that was desperation.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: That was like don't let it beat you.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like, don't let that be
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: the moment that ended that that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Perfection, you know.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: So, I mean all of those things are running through
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: your head and I forgot what else you asked?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: What else did you ask?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, but when you make when you make
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the catch, do you think like, yeah, this is gonna happen.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, because you always see it's that one play that
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: is made that it's like okay, now it's it's gonna happen.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: But there's still that that little bit in the back
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: of your head that's like somebody's gonna get like a
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: bluep hit. That's that's what I always think about, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: that's how we were position honestly, which is why I
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: ran so far because of the bluepead, which was now
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: that I kind of think about, it's kind of crazy
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: because I was playing so shallow that you think anything
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: hit over my head as a hit. But again, just
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: that that not wanting to be the guy. I didn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: want to be the guy. Jim George took that for me.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: I didn't get none of that. I'm sorry, hey, hey
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: you but he love it? Man?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: You did you know? That's on you? Brother?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: But I caught that, and I was like, we for
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: sure got this. There's there's nothing else that that can happen.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Everything that that was gonna happen has already happened, So
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: there was no chance that I was thinking like did
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: it did it would end the way it did?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Well? What did you go ahead?
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: What did you think the next day, Austin? Like, when
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: did you know Armando was going out to hand up
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the lineup card and and all that transpired, and what
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: what did you think about that?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I thought it was cool, man, I thought it was
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: a cool gesture. And and it really spoke to to
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: what type of character Armando has and and Jim as well,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: like they just classy dudes, man like classy dudes.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I think they handled it perfectly.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I would have been as gracious
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: and that's out of it, like I need another day,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: I need another day. I talked to him later, like
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I just just give me one more day. But that's
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: not that's not a mind though. Man like he's he's uh,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: such a down to earth guy. And you can tell
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: that moment it was bigger than the imperfect game. That
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: was about him showing class about him, showing humanity about him,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: you know, showing that he cares for another human, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: because he Jim was getting death threats.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: That's that's crazy. And when you think about it.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: So for him to stand in there and you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: show what type of person he was and showed that
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: this is just a game. And I think it's it
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: kind of everybody together and got everybody back on the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: same page and everybody put it back into perspective that,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: you know, and they saw the emotion in that moment.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: So if you you know, if you didn't feel anything
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: in that in that moment.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: You you're not you're not real.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: So that that was a very cool moment because a
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: lot of a lot of people wouldn't have handled it
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: that way. They probably wouldn't have handled it that way.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: In that moment, doll RockA was smiling.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was a smile like he was like, yo,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: then get you.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know it's something you know what else to do,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: like talk, I've talked, I've asked about it. It's like
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I I didn't know what else to do, and that's
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: what That's what The expression that came out of him
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: was a smile.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Incredibly right, I mean, but.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: It seemed genuine. It wasn't even like it was like okay,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you low key key, it's only a three nothing game,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like you gotta like lock in because like like that
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: you could easily like lose everything including the game.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: You know, if you don't in the game now, like
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: we might miss around and lose the game.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, like low key, Like that part
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: was pretty important that he was able to bounce back
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and get that final out. Well, you know, you talk
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: about reactions, Austin. You know, Miguel Cabrera always good for
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a Miggy moment, you know, the famous clip of him,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like yelling yeah and then he sees the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: safe call and he's like, oh yeah, like it would
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: have been a gift, it wasn't twenty ten. Do you
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: remember what you physically did when you saw the safe call?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Do you remember like like did you jump and then
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you had to come back down? Or like well anything?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: What do you remember what you physically did when I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: saw the out and then the safe call.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: I don't remember what I physically did. I would assume
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: it was something more along the lines of what MEGGI did,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: like yeah, like oh no, like he's out no matter what,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Like he's out if he's safe out. That's how out
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: he is. He's out if he's safe, like there's no way.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: And so it's just like that that emotion hit of
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: like you know, like that you just messed that up.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: But also maybe they'll overturn it, you know, maybe they'll
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: talk like they do in our nine youth games and
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: they all huddle in together and you know, and then
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden they.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Call the dude out. You're like, y'alla, you wouldn't even
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: see that. You ain't even corn it type stuff, you know,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: like you're out of here.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: So but I just thought that for some reason, I
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: was like, no, that'll get overturned, like they'll come together
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: and somebody saw it, that he didn't see it or something,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: so that all those emotions go through you. But I mean,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I know that I had a similar reaction to what Miggy.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: I think we all did. We all jumped and then
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: kind of like whoa, no that he really just called
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: himself right there. And I remember that that picture because
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: of where I was standing up seeing make you feel
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: that ball and toss it to Hermando and him catching
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: it kind of but you know, stepping on the ground
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: and then stepping on the bag, like it was a
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: lot to really take in in that play, if you really,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: if you really look at it, like it was a
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: lot to take in. But I did see that he
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: got back and stepped on the bag before, you know
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: what I mean. So I saw that, and I remember
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: that picture very vividly of the kind of him kind
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: of bobbling it or just it wasn't clean clean, it
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: was some weirdness in there. But still saw it and
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: step back on And that's another thing people don't talk
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: about it wasn't clean clean, but it was he was out.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: You know that.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Actually, when I've watched that back like years later, like
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: it wasn't clean clean, but it's not like bang bang,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Like he's pretty clearly out.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's less close than you remember it. If you
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: haven't watched it in a while, go watch it, you know.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: And uh, and and look, I know Gala Raga is
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he always handled everything well. And you know, Cody, you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: talked to him years later about like, you know, maybe
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: trying to get retroactively credited with a perfect game. And
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to tell him how to feel
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: about that. Obviously, it's his resume, it's his life, you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. But I'll tell you, uh, he will
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: live on longer with this situation then he had. He
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: just thrown a perfect game, but then he doesn't have
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it on his resume. So again I'm not telling I'm
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: not telling them to just relax about it. But he
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: will he is. He will always be fondly remembered and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: people will remember that game more. It's just one of
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: those ironic twists of life and sports and culture and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: in the city and all these things that came together.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: It's just it's unfortunate, but we all know what happened.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: He has a he has a perfect game in our books.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's immortal, right, He's immortal.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: He's immortal, and and it's a fun memory even with
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the next days. I'm glad you asked about that, Cody,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So anything else fellas before we jet out of here.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I think that's a good notes to end on it. Man,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: the Gallarraga thing, it's really one of the great baseball
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: stories ever in the history of the game. It's a
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: fascinating situation. I've both been handled. It is fascinating. How
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it's remembered now and look back on is incredible. It's
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: amazing to sit here and talk to someone who played
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: a part in that game in Austin Jackson. It's amazing
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: to have spent some time with Armando myself a few
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: years ago, which talk about time flying, I was already
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: six years ago. So it might be time to ramp
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: up for a twentieth anniversary story now, Yeah.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right. Hope you guys enjoyed that. You
• 43:52
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• 44:00
  Speaker 1: You guys know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: What to do.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: We appreciate all of you so for Cody Stapenhagen, Austin Jackson,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: I'm Karen Steckley. Everybody, have a great day.