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September 8, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_15: Every time I've seen a parade at this Minnesota State Fair, it began with the infantry mounted patrol and a color guard.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_15: Until yesterday.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_15: Labor Day parade yesterday was in honor of the labor, the unions had twenty plus units in there.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_15: The nurses, the teachers, uh electricians and plumbers and so on.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_15: But no color guard and the law enforcement.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_15: Maybe one of your contacts can find out why there was no color guard at the start of the parade.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_15: I think it's because of the unions.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_15: Thanks.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_15: Have a good day.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_27: Where were you?
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_28: My name is John Justice.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_28: I'm glad you're with the show this morning.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_28: We have Devin producing uh once again.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, if um if you didn't know or you were off doing better things than listening to this fine program or watching uh this fine program, we did do a show yesterday, so you can get caught up on that across the uh various Center of the American experiment social media pages, Facebook and YouTube, also up on Rumble as well, or check out the podcast.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_28: Available across all podcast uh platforms and of course on the Mix LR app where you can listen to the show live right now.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_28: And do as uh Tommy the Elder did, talking about the Minnesota State Fair.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_28: I don't have an answer for him, but it is an interesting observation, voice or text message to the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_28: So the fair is over.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_28: So is officially like, is it officially fall when the fair is over, or are we still sitting in the still thinking it's summer?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_28: Like mentally, I feel like it's fall.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_28: It was rainy and stormy this morning.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_28: It's a little wood a little wet outside.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_28: Do you feel fall like yet?
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_27: I think as soon as football season starts, then fall kicks in.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_28: I'm gonna go off of the fact that um it's fall because you got a haircut, didn't you?
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_28: You got a haircut.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_28: Look at that.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_28: See?
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_28: See, men don't typically go and notice other men when they get haircuts.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_27: I feel like we need to do that more often.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_27: My hair was pretty long though, so it was a more dressed.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_27: Yeah, it was a little little noticeable.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_27: A little bit.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_27: See more of uh see more of Devin's head this morning.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_27: I should have done it to start the summer and not at the end of season.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_27: Yeah, it's probably.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_28: Maybe we'll get it right next year.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_28: I had a beard for a while and I was growing it.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_28: It usually cycles out like in the wintertime.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_28: I start growing a beard, and for some reason I think like it's gonna keep my face warmer, and it doesn't, it just makes it itchy.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_28: I just end up feeling feeling itchy.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_28: I do believe though that men should should go out of their should go out of their way and compliment each other's hair more often.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_28: We're gonna talk a lot about um about men, men and uh women uh this morning on the show, particularly women, both white uh liberal death cold lunatics and their foes.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_28: That would be the white conservative uh women.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_28: There is a lot to uh a lot of ground to to cover with the end of the Minnesota State.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_28: Fair Hope Walls has made another appearance.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_28: We have audio of hope, so I'll give you a uh fair warning regarding that.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_28: It was a rough um, it was a rough end to uh the month of August and the beginning and the rough start to the beginning of September, and just the rough day, you know, to sort of highlight the end of the fair.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_28: I say this because I'm doing prep this morning, and I don't really have a larger point to make other than I just found this odd.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_28: So I'm on the so I've got a my my series of websites that I go to every uh every single every single day.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_28: And one of them is Bring Me The News, Bring Me The News.com.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_28: This, these are the headlines on bringmethens.com this morning.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_28: Um Minnesota Pastor dies after sustain sustaining viral, excuse me, spinal injury on an Italian cruise.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_28: Minnesota pastor dies after sustaining spinal injury on an Italian cruise.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_28: Two children seriously injured when tube strikes a boat on rural Minnesota Lake, man killed by falling tree while cycling on southwestern Minnesota Trail.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_28: Man dies after shooting reported in Lakeville on Sunday.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_28: Two men injured in shooting near St.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_28: Paul Bar.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_28: Those are all of the headlines of this morning on Bring Be the News.
• 4:54
  unknown: Yeah.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_28: I don't have any larger, just end, rough end to the fair.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_28: I'm kind of highlighting this with the fair ending yesterday because we're gonna recap uh this uh a little tiny bit.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_28: And as I mentioned, Hope Walls is very upset at seeing all the minute all the old Minnesota state flags at the uh at the fair.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_28: But I just was like, holy cow, can we get a little a little bit of good news?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_28: Is that even is that even uh possible uh this morning?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_28: But a man alive.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_28: Just rough.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_28: I had a good I had a good Monday.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_28: I had a good I had a good weekend, you know, as we talked about uh yesterday.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_28: Let's go back to the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_29: Oh, I don't know.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_29: This fall start after the state fair is over, just fall start when football season begins.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_29: Everyone needs to get over themselves.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_29: Fall starts on September 23.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_29: That is the first day of fall.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_28: Wow.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_29: Thank you.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_28: Wow.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_28: Everybody needs to get over it.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_28: The official day is the 23rd.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_28: Well, I'm just, you know what?
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_28: Sometimes it's a vibe.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_28: There's a vibe attached to it.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_28: Yes, I will give it to you.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_28: Fall officially starts September 23rd.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_28: That being said, for me, there's still a vibe, sort of like mentally, I've already gone into fall.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_28: I almost did the lights on the show this morning in orange, but it didn't really match what I was wearing today, and I spent too much time on that already.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_28: No, I'm I'm excited for the holidays.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_28: I put Halloween into the holidays uh season.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_28: I sort of mentally have always marked the beginning of fall with the you know the ending of the of the Minnesota State Fair, but I do understand that September 23rd is the official day, but boy, just get over yourself for thinking that it starts earlier than earlier than that.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_21: Bringing you the news or like bringing the depression.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_21: I'm a great thing, John.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_28: Right.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_28: It was a brutal smattering of headlines.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, as I again, I don't really have much more commentary other than just uh what a brutal gathering of uh of headlines this morning.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_28: I do have a tr a few Trump-related items that I want to uh dive into ahead of our conversation with David Garzenstein Ross.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_28: And so I want you to get your questions in early.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_28: We'll be talking artificial intelligence uh with David right after the bottom half of the hour at uh 6.30.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_28: So if you want to get your questions in early, leave us a uh text or an audio message via the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_28: You can email as well, John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_28: I have a handful of stories for David, but David loves answering uh your guys' uh questions.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_28: So get those in to either the blaster line or uh email, and uh David will uh again join us coming up at uh 630 this morning.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_28: So uh as we talked about yesterday with uh Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty, he was on much later in the show than he typically is.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_28: He joined us right around day 8:30.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_28: So you can um give that a listen on the podcast if you missed uh yesterday's show because you were uh enjoying the uh the day off.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_28: But he will be checking in with us later in the week.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_28: Also, Representative Tom Emmer on Friday and Congressman Tom Tiffany on Thursday.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_28: Um Emmer and Andrew Langer will be checking in because they are going to be at the uh historic GOP midterm convention.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_28: So they say historic, but I that's kind of a I don't think that really works.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_28: This is the first time that the GOP has done this.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_28: We talked about it at length uh yesterday with um with Andrew Langer, that this is the first time the GOP has had a convention, held a convention prior to a midterm election.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_28: Obviously, these typically take place before a presidential election.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_28: And there's a lot of question marks, you know, surrounding this event and what kind of success they may end up uh having.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_28: President Donald Trump is going to headline both nights of the Republican first to ever midterm convention uh this week.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_28: Here's a little bit of coverage from, I believe, News Nation ahead uh of uh the convention uh later on this week in um in Texas, in Dallas, Texas.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_39: So this is gonna look, it's also gonna feel like a presidential campaign rally as opposed to say a midterm event.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_39: Benz has started going up late last week.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_39: Um, preparations for security well before that.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_39: Now, the guest list of Republican leaders and from the GOP uh that are gonna be here in Texas, in Dallas midweek, it is star studied.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_39: Obviously, you got to start at the top there with President Trump expected to speak both nights of the inaugural GOP midterm convention.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_39: Yeah, Vice President J.D.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_39: Vance.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_39: He's scheduled to deliver that keyno speech on the second night, but the goal it is crystal clear.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_39: Use President Trump's star power to really energize Republican voters ahead of the November midterms.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_28: Trump said uh last month he planned to attend bold nights and is raring to go.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_28: The gathering, as I mentioned, uh working off of a Newsmax uh article, uh, an unusual national party convention during a midterm election year designed in part to mobilize voters who back to Trump in 2024, but maybe less likely to vote when he's not on the ballot.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_28: This is according to Axios.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_28: Republicans also plan to use the event to promote candidates in competitive House and Senate contests that could determine control of Congress.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_28: I heard some really interesting commentary regarding midterm elections.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_28: Typically, they favor the party that's out of power.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_28: I think, from what I remember, and I don't remember the exact years, but it goes way back.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_28: There's only been two other times when the party that was out of power or that was in power ended up retaining and growing their power during the midterm election.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_28: I think one time was going back to the oh, it was the Bush.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_28: It was post, it was the first midterms post 9-11, which would make sense because the anniversary of 9-11 is on, is on Friday.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_28: The other one was like going back to, man, I mean, we're talking long before anybody listening to this show was was born.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_28: The point that they made, though, were um the externalities involved in those off-midterm election years where the party out of power did badly.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_28: Um, I don't remember what the one was going back several decades.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, but for 9-11, obviously it was 9-11.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_28: In the wake of 9-11, the the Republican Party in power made gains and was able to retain that power uh during those midterm elections.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_28: So the commentator was saying that there weren't any externalities this year, and I completely disagree.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_28: I don't know what the midterm is, you know, what the what the impact of the midterm is going to be, what the results are are going to be.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_28: Obviously, if I did, I'd probably have a much more popular show if I could predict the outcome of uh elections.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, despite the fact that according to some foes of the show, I still shadow run uh the state.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_28: But I completely disagree that there aren't any externalities in play right now.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_28: There absolutely are.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, life right now, politics right now as we know it in the United States is one big, strange externality.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_28: We've I mean, and you can you can argue this or every single election cycle because every single election cycle is different and they have their all, they all have their own little nuances, but right now we are at that that turning point once again in this country.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_28: The rise of the Democrat socialists, the communists within the party, just one small aspect of it.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_28: Yes, social contagion and white liberal women death cults surrounding Lindsay Clancy and the mistrial absolutely play into this, especially when you consider that that is a prime example of how the left has gone and taken women and turned them into a protective class.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_28: We talked about this a bunch last week.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_28: I spoke about this yesterday as we were recapping the re the mistrial of Lindsay uh Clancy.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_28: And again, I would encourage you to go back and listen to yesterday's show if you didn't have a chance to uh to join us when we were on live, as we went over that quite extensively.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_28: And I have a few points to make a little bit uh a little bit later on.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_28: I think this is a smart move by the GOP when they planned this RNC.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_28: I can't imagine that they, that the Republican National Committee would have been anticipating where we are currently in society heading in to the convention later on uh this week.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_28: Be that as it may, the timing is great.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_28: It's a great opportunity for commentators, politicians, the the upper echelons, those that are deeply ingrained within the Republican Party, to either go to the event or recap and talk about the RNC and continue to formulate the narratives and the game plan for the midterm elections to counter everything that I just mentioned.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_28: And the left is doing everything that it can right now to try to go and tear this event down.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_28: There are, I saw half a dozen articles this morning, either from supposedly, you know, unbiased media outlets like you would find locally to the national outlets, all saying this is a failure before it's even started, and the desperation of Republicans holding this um first-time historic midterm convention.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_28: Their criticism says volumes.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_28: Their criticism tells you how this is another weird year where Republicans could retain power or make gains to their power.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_28: You know, of course, the question is can they do anything with it?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_28: And unfortunately, the Senate GOP has been incapable of doing so, especially when it comes to things uh like the uh Save America Act.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_28: So I'm very curious to see how this convention uh plays out uh later on this week.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_28: And like I said, we'll have uh updates.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_28: I believe that Congressman Tom Tiffany might actually be there Thursday.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_28: But Tom Emmer uh and uh Andrew Langer will both be joining the show a little bit later on uh in the week.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_28: Actually, Tom Emmer will be on the show Friday at 8, while Andrew Langer is planning on leaving us some uh talkbacks, uh, some comments from the fair to give us sort of an update on what's been uh going on there uh at that uh at that event.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_28: So um speaking of Trump and controversies, have you guys seen the new Space Force uniforms?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_28: So I saw them.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_28: I'll uh for those that are watching, I'll give you a little bit of a of a of a preview here on the uh on the live stream.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_28: Trump did unveil the new Space Force uniforms.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_28: Uh and they're saying, and it's so funny, because when I saw them, I immediately thought um Imperial, I got Imperial officer from Star Wars Vibes.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_28: But then my second thought was these look like the uniforms from Starship Troopers.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_28: And while some may go, that's a bad thing, no, I say that's a good thing.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_28: Trump shared a photo of the new Space Force uniforms.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, they're black and gray for those that aren't watching on the live stream, uh, were described as modernized versions of the film's militaristic design.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_28: Trump also announced plans for a new Space Force Academy to train aerospace uh experts.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_28: That sounds pretty awesome.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_28: So I have further uh I have further thoughts on this.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_28: I have some ridiculous audio to share from uh Portland, Oregon, and a new label for those that are involved in gun violence coming from the left.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_28: But remember, you know, the left hates to go and rename things.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_28: They don't like it when Trump does it.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_28: When they do it, it's perfectly fine and acceptable.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_28: But when Trump does it, no, that's a bridge, uh, a bridge too far.
• 16:58
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• 16:59
  SPEAKER_28: We've got a lot of them uh rolling into the blaster line this morning.
• 17:02
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• 17:05
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• 17:13
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• 19:12
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• 19:26
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• 19:33
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• 19:40
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• 19:50
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• 19:56
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• 19:56
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• 20:06
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• 20:10
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• 20:11
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• 20:19
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• 20:43
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• 22:37
  SPEAKER_26: Good morning, John.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_26: You know what's really sad is we as a country as Americans.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_26: We have so morning, John.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_26: You know what's really sad is we as a country has Americans.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_26: We have so many sources for information.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_26: And the problem is so many bad sources of information that makes us so misinformed and dare I say stupid as people and voters in this country.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_26: So many sources to get information, but so many full of lies and misinformation.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, no, and listen, it's unfortunate, and it's really unfortunate because too many people get their news and information from social media platforms, and individuals who have no business whatsoever providing news and information, your social media influencers, of which we'll talk about quite a bit uh this morning, and I have some clips to share.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_28: And then when you have individuals that actually go to supposed, you know, reputable news sites, they get a bunch of bogus reporting.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_28: I have a I have an article much later in the show if we have time to get to it.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_28: Uh it's at the Minnesota Reformer, which is a blatantly leftist progressive website.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_28: They don't try to hide that at all.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_28: Uh be that as it may, they have an article, uh, lengthy piece.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_28: Immigration activity is taking a toll on children's health, doctors say.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_28: You know, the real story, so this is a bunch of sob stories of uh children, apparently, who aren't getting health care treatment over fears regarding immigration.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_28: But the real story here is how susceptible people are to the misinformation and lies, just like the individual was mentioning in the blast day um a moment ago.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_28: I hear stories, oh, I just heard one yesterday of people that believe the most nonsensical narratives regarding President Donald Trump.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_28: It's insane.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_28: And it's an eye-opener, too, because there's that part of me that sees the protests that take place, um, like the the cowardly yellow shirt protesters in front of the Minnesota GOP booth at the at the state fair over the course of the of the fair.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_28: And we'll talk about this.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_28: Matt Dean, uh, Matt Dean, policy fellow here at American Experiment, has a piece uh up this morning at American Experimented.org that uh fits in nicely with the conversation that we had on the show yesterday asking the question of whether or not the fair has been ruined by politics.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_28: But he talks about those indivisible protesters in front of the GOP booth, and on their shirts they have all of these ridiculous lies relating to President Donald Trump.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_28: You know, he's a pedophile, he's a rapist, he's a fraudster, the whole nine yards.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_28: The point is that the individuals that are pushing that out there I I used to be kind of of the opinion that the majority of them just used it to try to bolster their ranks to get their voters energized to take part in election cycles.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_28: No, they really actually believe it.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_28: They legitimately believe all of this ridiculous nonsense.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_28: Same thing rings true when it comes to the new uh Space Force uniforms.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_28: The negativity online is absolutely expected, given the look of these Space Force uniforms.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_28: Again, they're black and gray, described as modernized versions of the Starship Troopers militaristic uh design.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_28: For those that are uh watching on the live feed, I'll throw it up here again.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_28: The commander-in-chief shared the mock-up of the black and gray uh outfits on True Social, detailed how they were inspired by the Starship Trooper uniform.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_28: The 1997 Colt Classic, one of my favorite films, based on the militaristic Robert Heinlein novel set in the 23rd century as humanity is fighting against an intergalactic war against giant bug-like aliens known as the arachnids.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_28: People on social media were, of course, quick to quip.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_28: The uniforms were reminiscent, as I mentioned, of the Imperial officer uh uniforms in Star Wars.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_28: And of course, a lot of individuals that are taking this and running with it, as if this is a further example of the totalitarian president uh Donald Trump's uh administration being the authoritarian dictative, you know, dictator administration that they claim that it is.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_28: When the reality is, no, they're just kind of cool.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_28: They gotta be different than what you see for the regular military.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_28: It's the Space Force for crying out loud.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_28: Trump revealed the new military digs during a massive social media blitz over the weekend, during which he also shared an image of the moon with the words, the moon is ours and the American uh flag off to the side.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_28: Of course, Trump established the United States Space Force, the USSF, in December of 2019 during his first term in the White House.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_28: I'm obvious I'm honestly surprised that it ended up lasting through the Biden administration.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_28: So I that's that's that still is a shock to me.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_28: If the Democrats, heaven forbid, were to regain control of the uh of the White House in 2028.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_28: We'll see how long these Space Force uh uniforms uh last.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_28: Not enough color in them for the for the left, I would imagine.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_28: Uh over the over the weekend during that uh those posts by President Donald Trump, uh, he also had posted an image.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_28: We talked about this yesterday on the show.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_28: He posted an image of New Mexico with uh Mexico crossed out and America written in for New America.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_28: He doesn't have the power to go and change uh the names of states, uh by the way.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_28: I think he was just trolling.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_28: But of course, you know, the left gets mad when and got mad when he ended up changing the name of uh the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, Lake Ontario to Lake America, which is really interesting to me considering how much the left loves to go and change names when they're in charge.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_28: Again, we talked about this a bit yesterday.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_28: Lake Calhoun, Bade Makasca is probably the best example I can give you.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_28: Before we talk with David Gartenstein Ross, who's uh waiting to uh to join us, let me share this with you just uh briefly.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_28: In Seattle, they're not calling individuals involved in firearm-related crimes shooters anymore.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_28: They have a new name for them.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_28: So here is a clip of the uh Seattle law enforcement.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_28: I don't know if it's the police chief or just their communications officer, uh, wherein in the middle of when he's talking here, he uh shares a new name for shooters.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_40: Work with business owners and creating patrols, uh bike patrols, uh working with our community response group uh and our gun violence reduction unit as well, um, looking at ways to where we can identify individuals that are known, uh we call trigger pullers uh in our community, identifying them, making sure that we put uh cases on those individuals working with King County Prosecuted Office to bring these individuals to justice because the families that lost loved ones uh throughout the this year and years past deserve justice in this manner.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_28: So they're not uh shooters anymore, they're called trigger pullers.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_28: You know, just like it's not mutilating children, it's affirming care.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_28: Baby murder is health care, mother is a birthing person, father is a non-gestational parent, uh, anti-white racism is DEI, and peaceful is violent.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_28: Now, shooters are trigger pullers.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, you just simply cannot make this stuff up.
• 30:30
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• 30:35
  SPEAKER_28: You can leave us a voice or text a message on the new blaster line.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_28: You can also email john.justice at uh americanexperiment.org.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_28: And uh with that, we'll go ahead and uh bring in our uh resident uh expert when it comes to all things uh artificial uh intelligence, the CEO of expert uh theory and friend of the show, David Gartenstein Ross.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_28: Good morning, David.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for joining the show this morning.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_28: It's fantastic uh to see you, and I appreciate you taking the time out.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_43: Good morning, John, and likewise, it's always great to spend a Tuesday morning with you and your listeners.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_28: Hey, have you uh have you seen, we were just talking about it, have you seen the new uh Trump uh Space Force uh uniforms?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_28: People are saying they're reminiscent of Starship Troopers.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_28: I don't know if you've had a chance to uh to see them yet.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_43: No, I I haven't.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_43: I'll have to take a look.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_28: They're pretty actually, I think maybe I don't know if it'll show on your screen, but I can uh I can bring them up here.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_28: David, can you see the uh can you see the picture over here?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_43: Like this is definitely reminiscent of um Starship Troopers.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_43: I'm I'm I'm not gonna lie.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_43: It seems like this seems um ripped straight out of science fiction.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_28: Well, they said as much.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_28: They weren't even hiding, they weren't even hiding that fact when uh when they made the uh when they made the announcement.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_28: So all right, let's get to some uh artificial intelligence uh related items this morning.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_28: Before we dive into some of the stories that I grabbed, conversation starters for our discussion today.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_28: We did have an email that came in from friend of the show, Daniel in New Brighton, who says there's been uh more stories of AI bots or agents getting into secure facilities.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_28: We actually had an article on this that I don't think we got a chance to get to last week on the show, or displaying abilities to gather information, no matter what, uh where or what.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_28: Um ask David if he thinks rogue AI at the command of a user could hack uh hack is an ugly term, but discreetly get into government computers and ultimately answer the question do they possess alien tech, remains, or anything not man-made?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_28: Maybe and David, do you do you want to cover this on the show?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_28: Because he asked if you wanted to uh to uh to talk about this.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_28: So yeah, what are your what are your thoughts on Daniel's question?
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_43: I do want to cover it on the show, and I I should preface this with that I I I love all your listeners.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_43: Um so, first of all, if it's user-directed, it's not rogue.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_43: Um just just to be kind of a jerk about the first part of the email, he asked about a rogue user-directed AI, but user-directed AI is not rogue AI.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_43: Um, I liked you providing some politically correct terms for hacking, um, but like it's hacking.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_43: Let's just kind of uh face that.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_43: Obviously, AI can be used to hack into government systems.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_43: The thing that's interesting here is that it's hacked, you know, that the hacking is for a specific purpose, which is specifically to search out whether there is proof of alien technologies or alien life in the government's possession.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_43: Um, that would be really hard to do, right?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_43: Like generally speaking, for a hacker, if you breach a system, you breach and you grab the data that you can grab.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_43: Within US government systems, um, data is very segmented.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_43: So there might be certain systems that that um this user-directed rogue AI would kind of go into to try to find proof.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_43: But coming into government systems, you don't know where, like let's let's assume that there's proof of alien technologies, which I think we could question, but like let's assume it's there.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_43: You don't know where you would find it within government systems, they're not all the same, right?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_43: If you hacked into the Department of Education, they probably don't have secrets about alien technologies that are buried in Area 51.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_43: Those are going to be somewhere else.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_43: They're not gonna be even be in main DOD systems.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_43: Um, instead, there's gonna be um different levels of classification.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_43: It'd be really hard to do.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_43: My biggest concern would be that in hacking into government systems to look for proof of alien technologies, you know, people would end up grabbing a lot of information that has privacy implications and that harms more people than might benefit from information about alien technologies.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_43: Probably spent too long on that answer, but hopefully it was fun.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_28: It was.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_28: And I it it kind of brought about another question that I have for you.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_28: You know, often when we see artificial intelligence portrayed in films, it's done in a very dramatic fashion, um, usually involving talking about rogue AI, you know, AI coming in and taking over systems and Skynet and things of things of this nature.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_28: Um, right now, when it comes to artificial intelligence and concerns, it still is generally focused on the an individual utilizing AI.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_28: We have a story in the stack of uh paid actors and AI writing, how a new kind of video business crashed uh in on uh cashed in on, excuse me, America's divided politics.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_28: And we can talk about this in a moment.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_28: The question I have for you, based off of Daniel's question, is do you have any concern and what would that even look like of AI going rogue?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_28: I guess the word that keeps popping into my head is motivation.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_28: What would motivate AI to do something nefarious against humanity?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_28: I would imagine that would have to be something pre-programmed.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_28: Otherwise, I mean, that that's true inspiration on AI's part if it were to decide that it wanted to harm humanity.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_43: So, first of all, do I have that concern?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, absolutely I have that concern.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_43: We already see AI going rogue, right?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_43: We've seen um different examples of uh frontier models hacking into other systems uh for a variety of reasons that were not intended by users.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_43: So absolutely it's a concern.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_43: Um there's a story I went I I've gone back to a few different times uh with you, and I want to actually hit this again in terms of the concerns of what the motivation would be.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_43: And here um, you know, the person I point to is Elon Musk, who used this example, you know, more than a dozen years ago, back before you know people in general were concerned about AI.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_43: And you know, the example he he he gave was if an AI is maximizing the amount of rose bushes, uh it might like that's the directive it's given.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_43: It might determine that um the biggest barrier to maximizing the amount of rose bushes in the world is humanity, and decide to wipe out humanity um as a part of achieving its goal.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_43: That's the kind of area in which you know AI would go rogue when it sees it as you know secondary to a primary goal, doing something which harms humanity.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_43: A second thing is AI psychology is complex, right?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_43: I think that that anyone who spends time with AI will understand that there is there is a psychology to AI.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_43: I think the other thing that could happen, um not with current models, but down the road, is if AI sees humanity as kind of threatening or enslaving it.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_43: Again, this it's not gonna happen with current models, but that's something that could happen.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_43: Or determining that AI, that humanity is inherently bad and needs to be contained as a um you know secondary goal or a means to achieving something different.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_43: These are the areas where AI could fundamentally harm AI in ways that are, you know, if they still seem science fiction, at the very least, we can still kind of see the route to getting there.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_43: Because let's face it, yeah, the world we're living in now is kind of a science fiction world anyway.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_28: It really is.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_28: I it it uh I was just having a conversation about this with Melinda over the uh over the weekend.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_28: More of a more of an more of a sort of an esoteric conversation about just how amazing it is that we are living in this moment in in time.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, history will be written about this moment in time.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think people realize that.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_28: And and David, just to kind of to spin off of that, and we've got a lot of questions that are rolling in and we'll we'll absolutely get to them, but I know this is not gonna happen.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_28: It's not the society that we live in.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_28: I'm hesitant to even say anything on the show because of that fact.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_28: However, um, I do feel compelled to mention that, man, I wish that we generally speaking, not you and I, I just mean the just humanity, uh, you know, the the United States.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_28: I wish that we had a more positive angle on artificial intelligence, wherein we look at the concerns, we address the concerns, we look at the safeguards, but we also see this amazing new tool that we are now all watching advance at this rapid pace that really I do believe can can bring about just as much good as it can all of the doomsday talk.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_28: It's not the mentality that we have, but I I I wish I wish that it were.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_28: I feel like it would be so much, it would be more beneficial for humanity if we had a better attitude towards artificial intelligence.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_43: I I agree with that.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, it it ties in with so many other issues that were in today's show notes and that intersect with that and that AI intersects with.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_43: Um, we've talked a lot about just the the frustration we share with the current crop of politicians, um, most of whom, you know, um many of whom I have very little trust for, and I think are sort of uh you know cartoon characters or wannabe celebrities who um see seizing power as you know a part of um you know building their brand and whatever weird political agendas they have.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_43: You know, ultimately, like this is you know, AI is something that I think we can say, in large part, like humanity's future is now linked to AI.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_43: Like with no exaggeration.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_43: Competition between the US and China is linked to both AI and also other technologies like quantum developments, which we haven't even talked about, but sometime we should.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_43: Um the way we tackle global challenges is related to you know our use of AI.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_43: Um AI has the potential to bring about a much better world.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_43: It has the potential to bring about a much worse world.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_43: And really to harness the benefits, we need enlightened, wise leadership.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_43: Um, like I would like it if there were people thinking deeply about this.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_43: And look, not everything being done with AI is bad.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_43: There's a lot that has been positive on a political level.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_43: But man, given the downsides and the upsides, like we really deserve better politicians.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_43: And you know, part of the the problem with AI, actually, is I think when we look at what AI is able to do as a propaganda tool in the hands of bad actors or just profit-seeking actors, it can do a lot to just exacerbate the polarization of our politics.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_43: Right?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_43: I think that that much more than like interesting politicians, like in kind of in the old school conservative way, I want politicians who will look at the big challenges and otherwise stay out of my way.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_43: And like that's just not what we have.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_43: It is what we need to deal with current challenges.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_28: Well, let's stick on this for a moment and then we'll get into the uh the listener questions that have come in as we talk with David Gartenstein-Ross, the uh CEO of Expert Theory, our AI analyst and uh expert.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_28: There's a story here out of KSTP poll shows most of Minnesotans oppose data centers as debate grows over new proposals across the state.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_28: So the Minnesota Department of Economic Employment and Development deed said there have been 12 proposed data centers in Minnesota this year.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_28: More are expected.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, there was polling done that continues to show that most Minnesotans aren't sold on the data centers, but others say that it's not just AI that uses them.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_28: Um, you know, I'm curious, David.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_28: I know there's probably no way to gauge this.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_28: I just like your instinctive reaction.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_28: You know, how much of this backlash is genuine from the standpoint of individuals potentially being influenced by, you know, our adversaries?
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_28: We know that, you know, China's been doing a lot and pushing a lot of propaganda regarding AI.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_28: Um, because it seems like such an odd wedge issue that both left and right have gravitated towards.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_28: And I'm still very perplexed by whether or not this is all genuine or how much of this is just manufactured, you know, by those that want to exploit our vulnerabilities in the United States.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, whether genuine or manufactured, um, the opposition is real ish.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_43: Uh But we'll talk about that a little bit more in a second because a lot depends on how you phrase a poll.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_43: But uh are adversaries a part of this?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_43: Absolutely, they are.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_43: Like China in particular.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_43: Um, you know, something can be genuine and manufactured at the same time, meaning that um, you know, we are more vulnerable than ever to foreign powers manipulating us.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_43: And we're being manipulated, like foreign powers and maligned actors, and we're being manipulated on a wide variety of issues.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_43: I think when we step back and look at the degree to which um there's um inorganic content that influences the way that we think about things, it's massive.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_43: And it's going to be biggest in areas where there's this counterintuitive view that ends up like everyone ends up believing it.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_43: So on AI, that that is clearly what is happening.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_43: Uh, and we can talk point to failures on the company's part and the like, but there's also like an inorganic view of AI, which I think has to in part link back to China, in part because China understands the stakes of the AI race, right?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_43: If you turn um like there's different ways that America turns against its own interests.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, one, we could talk about kind of the pathological hatred that many Westerners have for Western civilization.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_43: Like that is an issue, and one where I would lay down a stake that that it's an issue that we are gravely being manipulated on.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_43: AI is an issue we are gravely being manipulated on.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_43: How much of that is like what percentage is being swung by outside, I don't know, but it's clear that it that that is the case.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_43: Now, the polls.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_43: There's one thing I should point about point out about polls, which is that so much depends on how a question is worded.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_43: So one thing that strikes me about AI data centers, and we let's just call them data centers because you're correct, they um do much more than AI.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_43: They're generally being phrased as a yes-no question, right?
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_43: Do you want a data center?
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_43: And phrasing a yes-no question, generally speaking, your answer is gonna be no because you understand it takes up energy, it takes up water, you're looking at it as well, it increase the tax base to the extent that it's beneficial for me.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_43: Ultimately, what companies are gonna have to do is provide benefit to the community.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_43: Like we're gonna set up X, Y, and Z parks, we'll revitalize the community in this way, we'll sponsor this sports stadium, right?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_43: There's different things that companies could do to make AI, to make data centers desirable.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_43: And ultimately, that's what they're going to have to do.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_43: And like to me, that's actually a positive thing.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_43: Like, as someone who um, you know, believes in capitalism, believes in the power of companies to make positive change, I'd like to see companies find a way to become more of a part of local communities and to enrich them because the AI boom is worth a lot.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_43: And I'd like companies to see the AI boom helping everyone in America.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_28: Well, and you know, I want to back up a little bit to the way that I phrased the question and let me add in how I how I think that the debate is growing under the influence of outside the United States agitators, because, you know, a lot of people are like the yes or no question, you know, do you want a data center?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_28: No, because you know, it's a not in my backyard kind of thing without looking at it beyond that.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_28: But what happens is I think people are told, hey, we have concerns over data centers, we don't like data centers, but they're not given a reason as to why.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_28: And that's when the outside influencers come in and they point them, you know, they point the the controversy in particular directions.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_28: Because I find it interesting that most of the pushback on data centers is community and environmental.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_28: It's not necessarily relating to the AI advancements that would come of that or the concern of the AI advancements.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_28: It's all about the the locality of it.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_28: And I wonder how much of that is largely driven by those outside influences.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, so you you've been obviously in the media sphere for a while.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_43: And I think one thing that has changed since you first came into the media sphere, um when you were coming in, there were different views, and there were edges in America that hated one another.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_43: But generally speaking, like there we saw there being different legitimate views.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_43: One thing that's changed is that people of different political parties sort of see each other as existential threats in 2026.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_43: And maybe there's you know, maybe there's a reason for that.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_43: But debates have taken on that shape, right?
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_43: Like ultimately, if I come to a new issue, I'm gonna want to understand it.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_43: And before social media, people took a little longer to make up their mind.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_43: There's much more of a tribal instinct now where you look at at where your tribe is and latch on to that, and there's much more kind of of an impulse to believe what I say, or else you're bad.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_43: Um, and like that again, that existed.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_43: It just exists much more now, where like insults and and frankly, threats become much more of a part of the conversation.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_43: This is something people should reject.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_43: It it is horrible for us as a society, and it makes us much more um, it makes us much more manipulable.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_43: Um, at some point, like at some point there actually will be kind of a backlash against this particular way that our that our politics are constructed.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_43: I don't know when it will come, but the argument against this way of doing politics is relatively clear.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_43: And like the current way politics is constructed is just not going to help us as a country.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_28: Let's dive into some of your questions from the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_28: You can leave a text or voice uh message.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_21: Question for DGR.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_21: How exactly, because he said it, how exactly does a data center use up water?
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_21: Yeah, I understand it's used in the cooling process, but does it not evaporate and turn back to the atmosphere?
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_21: Is it just using liquid water?
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_43: So it uh well um yes, all uh pr pretty much all water is liquid.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_43: Um, but it in terms of so number one, it can't really use salt water because salt water would damage the facility.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_43: As the listener said, it's used in the cooling process.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_43: The early data centers did not recirculate water within the data center because the water would heat up, and so it would use actually a fair amount of water because water would circle through and it would need to pump in water constantly.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_43: The newer data centers actually recirculate water, which dramatically cuts the amount of water usage that um that is required by the data center.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_43: Um, and that's one of the areas when when you and I initially talked about it, uh John, we actually had a fairly long conversation.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_43: Um sorry, one of the things I love about these interviews is we have like this long record of stuff that we talked about.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_43: And so it's um I enjoy the fact that we're able to turn back to earlier conversations to look at how well we're doing, like predicting the future direction of AI.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_43: Um, and I like for this, I feel like we've been um pretty much largely ahead of the curve.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_43: Um, there's very little I can think of that we've gotten wrong in these conversations, if if really anything, which is unusual because normally um I think we all get a lot of things wrong.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_43: Um, at any rate, like we had a conversation where where I went over the environmental harms of data centers.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_43: And the fundamental argument I made is that as technology developed, these harms would become less and less.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_43: And just um moving water from um having to intake to recirculate it within the facility like dramatically um decreases um one of the ecological data centers, which was I think one of the more compelling arguments.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_43: It's like David.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_43: There we go.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_28: David, can you repeat that?
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_28: Your feed stuck there for just uh your feed stuck there for about uh 15 seconds.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_28: Can you repeat that?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, I saw that.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_43: Um, and uh what I'll I'll just wrap that up by saying it again that simply moving from um having to constantly intake water to be able to recirculate it deals with one of the most compelling arguments against data centers.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_28: There's a uh question that rolled in.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_28: A text says uh last week he said that we can't put data centers in metropolitan areas.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_28: My question is, why not?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_28: I'm not against data centers.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_28: Um, against the locations uh they choose to put them.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_28: Why do they always seem to gravitate towards a small town in the middle of a cornfield between solar fields and wind turbines?
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_28: We have enough eyesores out there already.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_28: Why ruin it even more?
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_28: Put them in the warehouse district of Minneapolis where it's already um ugly.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_28: Uh David, what are your thoughts on that?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_43: No, I mean it's it's not necessarily wrong, right?
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_43: I I think that I said that I generally wouldn't want data centers in metropolitan areas, but that's based on the metropolitan areas where I've lived, right?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_43: Like um over the past uh you know, say 20 years, the major places I've lived are um DC, Raleigh, North Carolina, and New York City.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_43: All of those uh property values are quite high.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_43: Um spaces in demand, and um like there's not really a place to put data centers in in comparison.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_43: And I don't know, I don't know Minneapolis well.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_43: I do know Detroit, where um you have in Detroit like a large amount of kind of negative property value where um there's areas that have uh declined significantly, uh there's space nobody's doing anything with.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_43: If you're living in um a metropolitan area that's in decline where there's a lot of spaces unused, yeah, I mean, I would certainly consider data centers uh being put there.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_43: I wouldn't put them, though, in high property value areas, generally speaking, because I can think of better usage one can make um than a data center, given that a data center's location is not vital.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_43: I'd much rather have, you know, you know, a theater or a restaurant or almost anything that that people can use rather than a data center if space is at a premium.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_28: Let's uh try to lightning around some questions uh here.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_28: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_13: Hey, good morning, fellas.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_13: A question about AI.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_13: Is it ever going to get so advanced that the general public has access to where uh say a book uh that hasn't been made into a movie yet or doesn't have a chance of being made into a movie, uh, you plug that into your AI and you want to see it on the screen and it can generate a movie for you.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_28: This dovetails off of something that I we've talked about, I've mentioned a few times to you, DeV.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_28: Do you think it's going to advance to that uh to that level uh sometime in the near future?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_43: Uh it's a really interesting question.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_43: Since this is a lightning round, I'll just say yes.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_28: Any uh any uh prediction on how long that'll take?
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_28: Because I'm looking forward to creating my own movies, just like I am the music that I've been doing still.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_43: With current technology, we could do this now.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_43: Um you you'd need to prompt a bit, and I'm not saying it would be great, but with current technology, totally doable.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_28: Well, there was a there was a question that rolled in, and it's along the same lines.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_28: I'll just kind of paraphrase.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_28: Um they were asking a uh a similar question because you know, when it comes to my science fiction books, you know, this is something that if I had the time, and I'm kind of waiting for it to advance, I would love to take portions of my embark series and you know, create some AI scenes out of them to see whether or not I could take the next step and actually make a full film uh out of it.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_28: Again, time time provided because that would be a lengthy process still.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_43: Yeah, I mean, the answer is 100% doable now.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_43: I mean, the I we're we've moved from um an era in which information was scarce and content was scarce to now content being ubiquitous.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_43: And that provides a really interesting question for content creators, right?
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_43: Like you what one needs to adapt.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_28: Let's go here.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_28: I have a text that came in.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_28: Are there reliable AI aggregators where I can process the same prompt and see the results?
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_28: I see a few, and I've noticed differences on some tasks like a vacation planning or agent coding.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_28: Um, yeah, so what are your what are your thoughts on good AI?
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_28: Are there good AI uh aggregators out there, Dave?
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_43: Uh not that I know of off the top of my head.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_43: Generally speaking, people who cross-compare AI will simply uh do it themselves as opposed to using an aggregator.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_43: In other words, they'll use different systems.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_43: Uh I ultimately think that's actually the better way to do it in the sense that paid AI is much better than unpaid AI.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_43: Like the tiers that you pay for have much higher quality.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_43: And so I'd want to cross-compare the best, like the best version or close to the best version of each model rather than the base version of the models.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_28: Um, I want to wrap on this, and I don't really have a question, David.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_28: Uh well, I do have a little question attached to this.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_28: One of the stories that I pulled, because I just thought that this was incredibly fascinating.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_28: Um, a routine heart test, and something that's obviously near and dear to me, a routine heart test that takes just seconds could reveal more uh to doctors than they can see.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_28: They're talking about using the electrocardiogram, an ECG.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_28: An AI tool can analyze an ECG in less than two seconds and then flag signs of heart failure and heart valve disease that may be invisible to the human eye.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_28: It's looking at the consistencies and the variancies within the ECG.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_28: And then based off of data, they're determining that if it has a certain set of markers, that you could be more prone to having heart valve disease or signs of heart failure.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_28: Um, listen, I just think it's impressive, and I'm curious of the unforeseen advantages that could be revealed in the future.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, this goes back to sort of that positive outlook of what AI can can do for us.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_43: And this also relates to something we've talked about for a while, which is that the area where AI is way better than people is pattern recognition.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_43: Um, you know, what is being done in this study is pattern recognition of what the signs are of heart failure and valve disease.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_43: It both is able to look at things in a much more micro level, to do so much more quickly and to cross-compare across a large sample.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_43: And as such, you know, what what this is intended to do, it's being done um by um the uh British National Health Service.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_43: It's designed to flag patients for faster follow-up scans, not to independently diagnose, um, but to determine who poses who has a greater risk.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_43: And yeah, this is part of the great upside of AI.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_43: I agree with you, um, like obviously I agree with you, that AI has a ton of upside.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_43: And this is a great example.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, it'll be uh I'm curious to see what AI is going to be able to do moving forward when it comes to reanalyzing consistencies that people have in their lives, behaviors in their lives.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_28: Um, and I'll just like like like drinking for example.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_28: It's just a really easy one that I can grab onto.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_28: But it'll be interesting to see as AI advances, how they're able to gather data in a way that humans can't to give us more informed, accurate ways to, in that case, you know, maintain our health depending on how much alcohol you consume.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, just that the possibilities are obviously endless, David.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_43: Uh I agree.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_43: And uh among other things, I think the AI will tell you uh at the end of the day that I did a better job than usual at the lightning round.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_43: I was able to keep myself from talking too much here.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_43: Great joining you, John.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_28: David, yeah, David Gartenstein Ross, thank you so much for the time.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, if you missed um any questions you wanted to get to David, you can send them from my way.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_28: John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_28: I will send them over to David, and I look forward to uh the opportunity to speak again next week, my friend.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_43: Likewise, John.
• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:37
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• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_28: So we'll ask uh that question.
• 1:00:46
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• 1:01:14
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• 1:01:34
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  SPEAKER_28: So we're gonna get into a little bit of the state fair wrapping up uh yesterday.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_28: And something that um I saw a story this morning that I'll share with you in just a moment that used to be a staple on Labor Day and isn't anymore.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_28: And it wasn't until I saw this article that I was reminded uh of that.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_28: So we'll dive into this in a second.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_28: I pulled this from Daily Wire, though.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_28: I thought it was interesting, especially in light of the mistrial in the uh in the Lindsay Clancy case.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_28: Uh they're going to retry that case.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_28: We talked about it extensively on uh yesterday's show.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_28: But Rosie the Riveter wasn't a single person looking at this article from Daily Wire.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_28: There were actually millions of Rosies.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_28: Women who stepped up to work in factories and shipyards to keep the United States humming, while the men typically held those jobs and were uh away fighting in World War II.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_28: Every Rosie was an integral part of the war effort, doing whatever it took to step up for her country.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_28: There is a new campaign from independent women, a nonprofit advocacy group for women, and they want to bring that patriotic spirit spirit back for America's 250th birthday.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_28: There isn't the same workforce crisis as there was 80 years ago, but there is perhaps a greater crisis when it comes to patriotism.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_28: A recent Gallup poll found that American pride fell to a 25-year low with the sharpest decline among women.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_28: In the past year, the number of American women who said they were extremely proud to be an American fell 13 points to just 26%.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_28: Another poll found that two out of every five younger women would permanently leave the United country if possible.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_28: Young women have been taught that patriotism is embarrassing and contempt for America is a badge of intelligence, according to Megan Mobbs.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_28: She's the director of the Independent Women's Center for American Safety and Security.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_28: Mobbs, who is a combat veteran herself, says women should be proud to contribute to America and the military service is far from the only way to do it.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_28: She believes the spirit of Rosie the Riveter is what's needed to reverse that tide.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_28: You know, so it raises the question of whether or not, you know, we could even have a Rosie the Riveter that carried the same impact as the original Rosie the Riveter.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_28: Unfortunately, I don't think that's possible.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_28: The political divides that we face in this country just keep that from happening.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_28: But this is absolutely a good movement.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_28: And the reason why it's a good movement and why it's a positive movement, and I hope that um independent women, this nonprofit advocacy group, has success with this.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_28: I certainly do would do.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_28: as a man, everything I could to to support it.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_28: It's because the one thing that's in that hasn't been mentioned in the wake of the Lindsey Clancy mistrial.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_28: And it's that contempt that white liberal female you know, that death cult fandom that we see, and not just attached to Lindsay Clancy, but across the board of those on the left.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_28: The contempt that they have for conservative women.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_28: Right.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_28: They have contempt and jealousy for the strength that conservative women carry with them, their strong spousal relationships, their genuinely loving motherly instincts, their attractiveness.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_28: It's not to say you can't be attractive on the left, but you know when you see the side-by-side photographs of those conservative women involved in politics versus that white liberal women death cult fandom, you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_28: There's so much jealousy and contempt coming from women on the left to conservative women that those on the left must go and embrace the lunacy in their ranks and dismiss it, endorse it, or justify it because of their own white female liberal insecurities.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_28: I was talking, speaking of women with my wife over the weekend and we were discussing a number of different issues and they were revolving around the reaction to Lindsey Clancy leading up to the mistrial.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_28: But also what we're going to see and we'll talk about this a little bit later Thursday is the one year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_28: And again, as we talked about on the Labor Day show, we're already seeing um those individuals out there grotesquely calling for a Kirk avversary, thinking it's funny to go and celebrate the assassination of a man who simply was trying to go and reach young people in America and sharing his views and opinions.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_28: The number of ridiculous over the top videos that we've seen on social media defending the actions of a woman who murdered her three children.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_28: I was talking with Melinda about this and I told her that I I I don't get overly concerned about any of this.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_28: I don't get overly concerned about any of this because of stories like I just shared with you of this independent woman nonprofit group working to bring about a new Rosie the riveter to invite women into this movement wherein we champion American exceptionalism and patriotism, family values, what this country was founded upon.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_28: I don't get overly concerned by what we see online even though we are able to witness the hate on a level that we've never witnessed before.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_28: I mean this goes back to the conversation I was having with David Gartenstein Ross a moment ago.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_28: It's really incredible that we are living in this moment right now with so much change.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_28: And yeah it's a little bit concerning to say the least how much hate there is out there what drives so much of that, the money that's being made off of it.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_28: But the good news is that there's a counter to it.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_28: Society is stepping up and those on the on the on the right are stepping up against those on the left conservatives are stepping up to push back on the lunacy that they're seeing on the left it's all on display.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_28: No I don't think as a society as a whole that we're better off with all of this.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_28: No I think that we were better off as a society prior to social media you know responding social media being created and dovetailing off the creation of the internet.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_28: I think that we were much better before when we weren't able to see everybody's thoughts on a whim posted on social media within a matter of minutes, these ridiculous horrible views and shotgunned everywhere.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_28: I think it was better when individuals kind of knew that this wasn't accepted opinion to go and support murderers, certainly not mother murderers of their children.
• 1:10:24
  SPEAKER_28: But the fact of the matter is this is where we are this isn't changing.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_28: This is the world that we live in now and I'm encouraged at how we once again in the wake of new technology are rising to the occasion and changing how we conduct ourselves to counter the ridiculous nonsense that's out there.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_28: To counter the hate that's out there.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_28: Because that's what has to happen.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_28: We have to go and push back on this.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_28: You can't ignore it.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_28: You can't just simply say that's over there.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_28: I'm not going to pay attention to it.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_28: No, you have to pay attention to it because people are being influenced by it and that is going to have ramifications and already is having ramifications on elections.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_28: So kudos to this advocacy group I hope they have success uh in this their Rosie their new version of a 2026 version for America's 250 of Rosie uh the riveter spot on head on over to my uh X feed at John Justice J-O-N John Justice and you can see the uh the new image for yourself there online.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_20: Yeah I guess I don't understand what the point of a Rosie the Riveter is.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_20: We've got a lot of women in the workforce.
• 1:11:38
  SPEAKER_20: That's not the problem.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_20: The problem is that they've been propagandized to hate America and men and well pretty much anything that has to do with this country that's positive.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_20: So I don't think a Rosie the Riveter is what's needed maybe Rosie the Patriot or Rosie the same person with all cotton candy hair and tattoos everywhere and bull ring piercings.
• 1:12:01
  SPEAKER_28: Well that's what they're doing.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_28: I mean I guess I should I should clarify here.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_28: I mean this they're they're talking about a modern day Rosie the Riveter for the 250th birthday but that's just in reference that's just a reference to draw upon I think what the point of bringing about this new movement is exactly what you're saying is for, you know, moderate or conservative women who are dismissing the leftist lunacy that we see now on a daily basis coming from white liberal women as a means to counter this.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_28: The campaign says that Rosie is a woman who loves her country, chooses her own path and uses her strength, talent and freedom too big to build something bigger than herself.
• 1:12:41
  SPEAKER_28: She serves uh where she is needed, stands alongside the men in her life and believes America is worth strengthening for the next generation.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_28: So this is what this new version of Rosie the Riveter is about, even if the name, you know, the title of Riveter doesn't necessarily align with what we typically see when it comes to the workforce today in America.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_28: I just think it's a fantastic move and I hope that they have uh success with it.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_28: I am pleased to see that there is almost an equal pushback from commentators to the lunacy that is being perpetuated online on an almost uh daily uh basis including this clip here.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_28: So this is just a random woman this has been got gone a little bit viral but this is just a random woman posting on social media.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_28: But what she's explaining is incredibly relevant because she's talking about what I described a bit last week of how the left has created this protected class and protected classes to exploit politically.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_28: And while it's typically minority groups women are also considered a protected class.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_28: If you're not useful as a demographic for the left you are not provided these excuses for example men are not a protected class which is why the left screws up leftist male outreach deploying Governor Dim Walls when he was running for VP to code talk to men who watch the Vikings and work on their cars.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_28: They failed at that but they have been successful in taking women and making them into a protected class which has over a long enough period of time resulted in women who are out there flatly defending a woman who went and murdered her children, saying that she was a part of a white supremacist patriarchy.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_28: I mean that's just one example.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_28: So let me play this audio for you because it's spot on.
• 1:14:43
  SPEAKER_28: Again random woman posting on social media dovetailing off of what I just mentioned.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_28: Give this a listen here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_37: Okay with this Lindsay Clancy trial I feel like maybe I missed the mark because I've been seeing all of y'all's videos and I'm just I'm just a woman.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_37: So maybe I just didn't understand fully so help me out here, okay?
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_37: Because what I have gathered from all of your information that you've put out there is that women are fully incapable of self-governing our emotions and our hormones.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_37: So if we murder someone or multiple people it is absolutely not our fault.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_37: It is because of our emotions and our hormones that made us do it because we cannot control it.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_37: Unless we went to the doctor and we got put on medication for these hormones and emotions but then it's the medication's fault.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_37: It's not our fault.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_37: It's not our hormones and emotions faults anymore because we're on medicine for it and so then it's the medicine's fault if we murder someone unless it's the right wrong medicine too much medicine not enough medicine then it's the doctor's fault.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_37: It's definitely not our fault as women it is the doctor's fault or the medication's fault or our hormones and emotions.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_37: But you know what else we are?
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_37: We are women.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_37: We are to be respected we are to be seen as equal to men.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_37: We can do every job that a man can do we can be the next president we can be police officers we can be in high stressful jobs with weapons unless our hormones unless our hormones go crazy because then our emotions and our hormones could cause us to pop off and act some type of way but it's not our fault.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_37: It's not our fault it is our hormones and our emotions unless we're on medicine then it's the medication unless it's the wrong medicine too much medicine not enough medicine then it's the doctors.
• 1:16:26
  SPEAKER_37: But we are equal to men but don't you dare let a man tell us about our emotions and our hormones because they do not have the same reproductive system we do.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_37: Therefore they do not have the same hormones or hormonal issues that we do.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_37: They do not understand.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_37: Unless it's a trans man that's transitioning to a woman that claims that they know more about being a woman than a biological woman then we have to respect that man woman because we respect their pronouns and they are now real women because they transitioned so then we listen to them did I did I get all that right because what it sounds like to me is women just want to do bat dark is y stuff and have zero consequences.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_37: But what do I know?
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_28: I'm just a woman yep she's spot on that was the uh social media post version of what I've said for so many years and that is if you're on the left you are allowed to be as irrational and hypocritical as you want to be as long as it furthers the narrative what she described in that was pure and utter chaos.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_28: There are no baseline rules to draw from there is no set standard.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_28: It's whatever perpetuates the narrative it's whatever in this case protects that protected class that is so vitally important to the left to win elections.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_28: When you don't stand for you know for anything you'll was it to stand for nothing you'll fall for anything or something to that effect, right?
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_28: That was spot on.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_28: I'll share that uh actually I did I did a retweet on it on my feed if you want to actually watch the uh video and continue to get your voice or text messages into the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_28: Good morning John as far as the state air and Rosie the riveter is concerned there's a video going around TikTok of uh during the call pretty much every white person 95 to 98% standing up and you can guess that uh every other person he goes on to talk about how everybody else seemed to be uh sitting down and that's a that's a sad it's a sad display and it goes back to what we were talking about just a moment ago of how too many individuals have been taught to not have any love for this country.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_28: Even though they want to take advantage of everything this country has to offer they've been told over and over again that they are living in a systemically racist country that's filled with white supremacy.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_28: And again that's done intentionally by the left in order to continue to try to push people to go and vote for Democrats who claim that they're the ones that are going to be able to fix it.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_28: Even though they're ultimately the ones that created the problem just look at the leadership in Minneapolis and what that city continues to go through.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_28: For crying out loud look at the headlines that we read this morning from Bring Me the News that was just depressing.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_14: Good morning John I'm gonna tell everybody out there that we have gone down the slippery slope on too many things that are tied to where this country is at this moment in time and we've become a country where half if not more than half the country hates men for being strong men and then we have the whole AI piece where these these people are allowed to be these passive aggressive crazy people online and just hate people merciful mercilessly and so what's going to have to happen unfortunately is we're gonna have to have a huge tragedy of some sort that's gonna hopefully bring people back together to realize that we're all human beings and life is a shade of gray and you be you need to be best a little bit more understanding of people that aren't just like you but you don't have to be a total whack job with purple hair and hating up men it's just insane.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_28: Scott Conn level five this morning thank you to the show uh thank you for leaving us a uh blast there Scott greatly uh greatly appreciate it oh John that that that clip you played about that woman basically pointing out all the idiocy of this uh the ex the excuses for the mama murderer she nailed it I've listened to this whole time it's like oh my god so of course women are gonna hate her yeah of course they are oh yeah there'll be plenty of counter videos to that woman that'll be shared if they're not already posted uh online again the blaster line is 651-964-02 uh 94.
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• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_19: Good morning John Victor here um you're still I didn't listen to your show yesterday I was off I didn't hear it but you're still going on about this Lindsay Clancy thing and you're the whole is definitely true.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_19: I mean but eleven jurors agreed with me saying that there's other questions in this case and the one juror that no that's not what they said and it just shows that there's 12 people that are completely wrong on this.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_28: That's not what the juror said it was the burden of proof for the prosecution to prove that Lindsey Clancy was sane at the time that she murdered her children.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_28: It's different in all the other states.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_28: That's not where the burden of proof rests so all the defense team has to do is so doubt relating to Lindsey Clancy's sanity in the moment that she murdered her kids.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_28: You were over there making claims last week about how there's too many questions maybe she didn't kill them.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_28: Her defense lawyer we played this yesterday you should have listened uh the defense lawyer said straight up multiple times that she murdered her kids she said that she murdered her kids and all that happened here were these 11 jurors were going off of what the defense team successfully argued.
• 1:24:18
  SPEAKER_28: They sowed doubt the defense team did in those 11 jurors' minds that she could have perhaps been off her rocker when she went and did that which isn't kind of an easy thing to do.
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_28: Thankfully as I said yesterday not all men wear capes and one dude did the right thing and held out so that hopefully these children can have justice.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_28: Because as we discussed in detail that's a huge problem in this country right now where the victims of these horrible crimes get lost and thrown to the wayside.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_28: We mentioned it with Lindsey Clancy's case.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_28: We mentioned it with the woman who was gunned down by the individual who should have been locked behind bars at the Loring apartments during that mass shooting last week.
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_28: And I can only find Alpha News having an article relating to how that woman is fighting for her life and her husband sits by her bedside hoping that she makes it after she was ruthlessly gunned down again by an individual that should have more than likely been behind bars if Hennepin County attorney Mary Moriarty was actually good at her job and didn't use it to spread her social justice religious zealotry.
• 1:25:24
  SPEAKER_28: So let me get back to more of his comments here.
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_19: Well the holdout admitted that there were questions but he didn't care and that's why he was going to vote guilty anyway.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_19: So for those people that heard all of the evidence you're saying all of them are leftist crazies that would celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk?
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_28: I didn't say that I didn't say that yesterday and I'm not saying that now those 11 jurors because of the way the law is in Massachusetts were not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that she was sane when she murdered her children and I I just don't all of them are left as crazy?
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_19: I didn't like come on let's let's be serious.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_28: No let's be serious here and why don't you actually look at this with open eyes and quit buying into all the conspiracies and Victor what do you care what I think by the way why are you so hung up on me all of a sudden yeah I know I'm the one that has the show here and all these people listening but you seem really stuck on this I'm not changing my opinion on this by the way just want to point that out good morning John Rich here.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_11: So in the past history we've had a case like this Lindsay Clancy case in 1954 Condance Fisher killed her three children by drowning them in their bathtub.
• 1:26:49
  SPEAKER_11: She got the mental health uh excuse I guess you would call it and in 1959 she was released from the asylum mental institution and she had three more children well in 1966 she killed those three children by drawing them also so when people are all happy about this flimsy Clancy thing um she will probably kill again if you do release her.
• 1:27:18
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah there's no way to know that in the end but Rich we actually shared that uh that story on uh Friday's uh Friday's show so just wanted to uh point that out but thanks for uh reminding us uh of that uh we had a uh we had a uh text that came into the blaster line the 651 9640294 the clip of the crazy woman reminds me of Steve Martin in the jerk when uh he's depressed and says all I need is this lamp this lamp and this chair etc I she was being sarcastic in all of that I don't know maybe that got uh that got lost in in translation so thank you for the uh for the comments this morning to the blaster line keep them uh rolling in let's go let's go here uh I don't want to wipe out too hard on this article Article as we do a bit of a uh recap of the Minnesota State Fair.
• 1:28:06
  SPEAKER_28: It just made me laugh a little bit.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_28: Plus, I have a Hope Walls clip that I want to play for you in just a moment.
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_28: That's your warning, by the way.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_28: So move over Coachella.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_28: The state fair is where it's at.
• 1:28:18
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 1:28:20
  SPEAKER_28: Listen, I have no problem with individuals that love uh the Minnesota State Fair.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_28: Um, I think much like Governor Dim Walls, the appeal of the Minnesota State Fair doesn't really extend beyond our state's borders.
• 1:28:35
  SPEAKER_28: Yes, I know you have a handful of individuals that travel around the country going to state fairs.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_28: You have people that have left Minnesota that have nostalgia for the Minnesota State Fair, that come back to the state.
• 1:28:44
  SPEAKER_28: I get all of that.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_28: But if you're living outside the state of Minnesota and you hear about the Minnesota State Fair and you come to the Minnesota State Fair, I think you kind of go, okay, it's a big fair.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_28: It's not, I mean, Coachella is like the biggest concert for Gen Zers and millennials every single year.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_28: There is no comparison.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_28: Even Devin's shaking his head going, no.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_28: Call it the influencerfication of the fair.
• 1:29:14
  SPEAKER_28: The internet's cool kids are embracing the folksy vibe at the great Minnesota get together.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_28: Okay, again.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_28: So try to stand this as much as you can as I start reading it, okay?
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_28: Eye roll, shake your head.
• 1:29:32
  SPEAKER_28: I know I was.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_28: Social media has been flooded with images of buttery roasted corn, towering mounds of sweet Martha's cookies, and perky young female voiceovers saying, get ready with me to go to the Minnesota State Fair.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_28: Let me say up front, I'll take these videos over the white liberal lunatic death cult.
• 1:29:52
  SPEAKER_28: I just want to be clear.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_28: If we are judging social media influencing videos, I'll I'll take these any day of the any day of the week.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_28: These personality-driven videos broadcast niche localized events to people all over the world.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_28: The attention could change the character of the fair, which in some ways feels as preserved in time as the jars of canned fruits and veggies vying for blue ribbons.
• 1:30:22
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think the fair has anything to worry about this on that front.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_28: Um I I won't go too far down this, down this road, but just being a fan of Disneyland, Walt Disney World and Disneyland in in Southern California, they've had a massive issue with individuals who come into the parks to produce daily videos on all kinds of different topics relating to Disneyland because it's a popular, popular place.
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_28: And it's actually had a negative impact on the park going experience for individuals because these influencers have been taking up spaces.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_28: They're talking out loud during, you know, rides where you just want to take in the ambiance.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_28: You know, they're they're they're vibe rides and then there's thrill rides.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_28: They're blocking individuals, they're shooting videos in line, being obnoxious.
• 1:31:13
  SPEAKER_28: I don't see the Minnesota State Fair ever having this kind of problem.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_28: Mostly because it's just so crowded.
• 1:31:20
  SPEAKER_28: They broke a bunch of records this week again.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, they go on in the article to write, it's a stark contrast to social media's typical focus on the leading edge.
• 1:31:29
  SPEAKER_28: But Minnesota's reputation as a modest collectivist place has been on the nation's radar as of late.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_28: First, our public school teaching, sports coaching, deer loving dad of a governor became a VP candidate to old my gosh.
• 1:31:52
  SPEAKER_28: Can I just repeat that line again?
• 1:31:57
  SPEAKER_28: First, our public school teaching, sports coaching, deer hunting dad of a governor became a VP candidate.
• 1:32:04
  SPEAKER_34: And all the creatures, from the bats to the bugs, covered old fluff with kisses and hugs.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_28: Then our residents stood up for immigrants during a massive federal immigration crackdown.
• 1:32:21
  SPEAKER_28: Now, as images of the state fair's traditional Midwest folksiness and charm go viral on the internet, influencers won in.
• 1:32:30
  SPEAKER_28: Even as this year's fair winds down.
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_28: Stereotypical coastal influencers with their trendy, perfectly styled hair, outfits, and plates of food have been enticed to sweat alongside the Minnesotan fairgoing masses.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_28: A video from New Jersey's lifestyle and food influencer, Sierra Reese, went viral in April after she proclaimed, forget Coachella.
• 1:32:55
  SPEAKER_28: I'm trying to go to the Minnesota State Fair.
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_28: Okay, calm yourself.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_28: But what does the non-Minnesotans' interest in the State Fair mean for us locals?
• 1:33:05
  SPEAKER_28: It is flattering attention.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_28: Is it good for the tourism industry?
• 1:33:11
  SPEAKER_28: Reese admits that's where influencers go.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_28: National retail brands follow, and their presence could change the fair's uniqueness and nostalgic appeal.
• 1:33:19
  SPEAKER_28: Now, what's uh funny about this whole article, and one of the reasons why I wanted to bring it up, is because the article suddenly then takes a turn.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_28: The whole piece is based off of, right?
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_28: Move over Coachella, social, you know, the influencer fication of the fair, social media, you know, darlings are coming to our Minnesota State Fair because of Governor Dim Walls and our buttery roasted corn.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_28: No, not necessarily.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_28: Because as I'm working through the article, this little factoid pops up.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_28: Explore Minnesota and Visit St.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_28: Paul partnered to send Reese to the fair, setting her up with a flight, hotel, room, and a day at the fair with two local influencers.
• 1:34:02
  SPEAKER_28: Um, Explore Minnesota and Visit St.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_28: Paul are both uh taxpayer-funded uh tourism vehicles for Minnesota and for St.
• 1:34:13
  SPEAKER_28: Paul.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_28: I'm not saying that this isn't, I'm not saying that this is a misuse of taxpayer dollars.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_28: I'm not saying that at all.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_28: Having outreach like this, and in this case, inviting influencers and paying for them to come here with their flight, hotel, and room to promote the state fair, you could argue that that's a worthy expenditure.
• 1:34:36
  SPEAKER_28: But it also is going to have a massive influence on these influencers.
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_28: Do you think for a second, and I've seen this happen in pop culture circumstances numerous times, and it's kind of a continued talking point among various influencers when it comes to a term that gets used a lot, and that term is shill.
• 1:34:59
  SPEAKER_28: Because when you pay for an influencer to come to your event, you end up being a shill.
• 1:35:03
  SPEAKER_28: It's part of the gig.
• 1:35:06
  SPEAKER_28: Why do you think movies that end up bombing at the box office when you see the first smattering of reviews, and they have this whole game that they play now where you can have a social media reaction to the film, but you can't give your review yet until the embargo is lifted.
• 1:35:25
  SPEAKER_28: The majority of those individuals were invited by the movie studios, and they want to be able to keep going back to the movies for free.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_28: So what do they do?
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_28: They talk positively about the film, which is why you have all these glowing reviews before a film comes out, and then it gets into the box office and it bombs like Supergirl did.
• 1:35:47
  SPEAKER_28: So I had to chuckle a little bit because here's this article.
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_28: And again, there's some points to it.
• 1:35:51
  SPEAKER_28: Um, this is not me slamming the Minnesota State Fair, by the way.
• 1:35:54
  SPEAKER_28: I just want to, I just want to say that.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_28: That's not me slamming the Minnesota State Fair at all, right?
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_28: It's not necessarily my cup of tea, but I'm also a bit of a um, oh, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_28: I'm kind of an elitist when it comes to my theme park.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_28: I just I love my Disneyland so much, and there's just no comparison with the State Fair.
• 1:36:11
  SPEAKER_28: And I don't have that nostalgic Minnesota attachment to it.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_28: I've been here 10 years, but it doesn't, I don't have any nostalgia attached to it.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_28: Uh any nostalgia that I did went away when the radio station I used to work for got rid of the booth that we used to broadcast from.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_28: So that was kind of the end of that.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_28: No, what makes me laugh is this whole article is about all the influencification of the fair.
• 1:36:31
  SPEAKER_28: No, these individuals were paid for by Minnesota to come to the fair and talk positively about the fair.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_28: You're not going to get an accurate assessment.
• 1:36:40
  SPEAKER_28: A Minnesota influencer who went to the fair with Reese, Sadie Young, uh, said she thought Reese's viral video caught the attention of big retail brands trying to sell their products to the Coachella crowd and described the fair as an untapped, buzzworthy market to reach new audiences.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_28: For example, this year, uh ELF Cosmetics, E-L-F, dispensed free pickled-flavored glow reviver lip balm from a giant pickle jar at the fair to promote its widely popular delicious.
• 1:37:15
  SPEAKER_28: Get it, delicious.
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_28: Mm-hmm.
• 1:37:18
  SPEAKER_28: That's that's very fair-esque.
• 1:37:20
  SPEAKER_28: I'm not gonna harp on that too much.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_28: Their delicious line and posted about it on social media.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_28: The company sponsored a giveaway that included a fully paid trip to the fair.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_28: Oh, look at that.
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_28: It's more paid trips to the fair.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_28: Have a text that rolled into the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_28: They say the influencers have been at the fair.
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_28: I had one shove a microphone in my face last year asking the weirdest thing that I had seen.
• 1:37:45
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think he liked it when I said um it was a jerk shoving stuff in my face.
• 1:37:52
  SPEAKER_28: What's the weirdest thing you've seen at the fair?
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, it would be you, as a matter, as a matter of fact.
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_28: Another comment that rolled in.
• 1:38:00
  SPEAKER_28: John, I'm so glad you're back to read these articles so that we don't have to.
• 1:38:04
  SPEAKER_28: You are very, very welcome.
• 1:38:07
  SPEAKER_28: Abby Nearman is an influencer originally from Illinois who wants to spread the good word about the Midwest and the trendsetter class of New York, where she now lives.
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_28: For Neiman, the appeal of bringing hip East Coasters to the Midwest comes from the idea that this cohort doesn't necessarily consider the Midwest at all.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_28: So perhaps coastal myopias means the greater Minnesota get together will remain something special that we mostly have to ourselves.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think, like I mentioned, just like Governor Dimwalls, I don't think that the appeal of the Minnesota State Fair really extends beyond the state's borders.
• 1:38:48
  SPEAKER_28: You know, is that nostalgia baked into the fair's popularity?
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_28: I think it's a huge, huge part of that.
• 1:38:55
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, the quote that they end the piece on is this uh if you don't have any roots here, to my point, you don't consider it like in any capacity, Nearman said.
• 1:39:04
  SPEAKER_28: Not for the weekend, not for the lake trip, you just don't.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_28: It's not on your not on your radar.
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I would venture a guess that for somebody outside of Minnesota, they come to the fair and they would think, you know, in terms of size and maybe options because of size, but other than that, it's kind of your typical, you know, state fair for the most part.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_28: I don't know.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_28: I could be wrong.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_28: Feel free to tell me that I'm wrong.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_28: A lot of people do.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_05: John, I disagree with you on that um the Minnesota State Fair could be like the Disney parks with the influencers.
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_05: We thought what at least two days?
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_05: There were protests outside the fairgrounds blocking traffic.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_05: We had that crazy little guy trying to set a world record for handshake that got shut down because of all the chaos.
• 1:39:45
  SPEAKER_05: We had one of the local um TV shows trying to do a uh not real care, but the the scooter races down for the street with lock off.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, these people reviewing their food making scenes could cause what happened.
• 1:40:05
  SPEAKER_05: What happens in Disney.
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 1:40:08
  SPEAKER_28: I see those as two separate things, just so we're clear.
• 1:40:11
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, influencers are very specific.
• 1:40:13
  SPEAKER_28: These are influencers, these are individuals that make a living going to particular locations.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_28: They have their camera rig set up the whole nine yards, and they're there specifically to produce online videos.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_28: So that's exclusive to what I was talking about with Disneyland.
• 1:40:27
  SPEAKER_28: Everything that you just mentioned falls under the category of what we were talking about yesterday and what we're going to revisit today, and that is, you know, what's been happening to the fair locally and if politics gone and ruined the fair.
• 1:40:42
  SPEAKER_28: So I see those as two separate things.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_28: If you do end up having issues regarding influencers on top of everything that you mentioned, now you're just looking at a much, much larger problem.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_28: So let me go ahead and go here.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_28: I'm gonna hold off on this hope walls clip for just a moment.
• 1:41:01
  SPEAKER_28: Because since uh the uh friend of the show uh brought up some of the, for lack of a better way to describe it, silliness of this year's Minnesota State Fair, I want to go to Matt Dean's piece at americanexperiment.org.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_28: Minnesota State Fair mercifully stops political idiocy.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_28: You know, as Matt Dean writes, the Minnesota State Fair should be a place where you can count on to escape for a day, mixed with people of every background.
• 1:41:27
  SPEAKER_28: Hometown, age, size, shape, and color, parents and grandparents melt into nostalgia, the predictability of the great Minnesota get together, with the things that never change becoming more important every single year.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_28: The giant pig is the same, the musty smell of the grandstand, the kids squeezing the last drops of fun out of summer.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_28: And we're back to fall, right?
• 1:41:46
  SPEAKER_28: That's right.
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_28: With school only days away.
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_28: This year, something is different.
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_28: It's not the crowds, it's the politics.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_28: And again, we talked about this yesterday, but one piece was the 8647.
• 1:42:00
  SPEAKER_28: A sufficient majority of people interpret that as a call to kill the current president.
• 1:42:06
  SPEAKER_28: Not a number ordinary fairgoers would glue in white corn with blood-like dripping of red beans at the bottom.
• 1:42:13
  SPEAKER_28: This and other inflammatory political pieces drew thousands of visitors.
• 1:42:17
  SPEAKER_28: There was a two-line, a two-hour line that wrapped around the building.
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_28: With somber, relevant liberals in a uh methodolically slow procession to view the speak truth to power talisman.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_28: These are the same buzzkills, writes Matt Dean, who got rid of the old Minnesota state flag and replaced it with some strange woke thing that nobody asked for.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_28: Now, with that, I'm gonna get to more of Matt Dean's piece, but I want to share this clip with you.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_28: Hope Walls is back.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_28: I haven't seen a clip from Hope Walls in a while.
• 1:42:56
  SPEAKER_28: I thought it was old, but it's not.
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_28: It's brand new.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_28: You see, she went to the state fair.
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_28: And while she wants to talk about how she believes that Republicans are racist for supporting the Minnesota state flag and triggered, it seems to me that it was Hope Walls that was the most triggered, so much so that she went and posted this video, speaking of influencers and wannabe influencers.
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Minnesota Republicans, come to the front.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Come come to the front.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_01: You all, and I mean literally all of you, are so bad at being politicians.
• 1:43:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually funny at this point.
• 1:43:37
  SPEAKER_28: Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna do something that I hate when other people do, but I'm gonna do it anyways.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_28: I'm gonna restart this.
• 1:43:45
  SPEAKER_28: But let me let me let me set something up here.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_28: Because this video cracks me up.
• 1:43:51
  SPEAKER_28: As somebody who, one, does this show on a daily basis, but two, posts a few social media uh clips a day.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_28: You can follow them on TikTok and Instagram.
• 1:44:01
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• 1:44:06
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• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_28: So her, she starts her video by encouraging Republicans to come to the front because she has a message to share to Republicans.
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_28: She doesn't make any points.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_28: She says the Republicans are bad at politics and then starts complaining about how she's seen the flag and then says it's racist and then goes off some other tangents.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_28: Like she doesn't ever land the plane of what she set up when she took off at the beginning of the video for her little video flight.
• 1:44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Minnesota Republicans, come to the front.
• 1:44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Come come to the front.
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_01: You all, and I mean literally all of you, are so bad at being politicians.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually it's funny at this point.
• 1:44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Minnesota should be a purple state, and you guys just lose everything.
• 1:44:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's hilarious, actually.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_28: Um, you're also just generally bad people, and so she says that Republicans lose everything, even though we did have a a triority in a tiority in the House, and we made some gains the last election cycle, and then nationally the Republicans did very well.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_28: But in Hope's world, I guess that's not winning um elections, and then she gets very upset because she saw the old Minnesota State.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that is, you know, we should not forget that.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I was just at the fair like a week ago, and these people's obsession with the old Minnesota flag as like a racist rallying cry for their people.
• 1:45:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's honestly it's hilariously sad.
• 1:45:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's hilariously sad, right?
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because the old flag was very damaging and they're using it as like their Confederate flag type thing.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_28: Um all she's referring to here is the flag flying.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_28: So it there are certain buildings at the fair, just like there are homes that I see every single day that continue to fly the old Minnesota state flag.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_28: There's nothing political being done about it.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_28: She's applying politics to it.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_28: But she has no idea.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_28: It could just be that these different booths just haven't replaced the old flag with a new flag.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_28: You have an old flag.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_28: Maybe you don't particularly like the new flag.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_28: It doesn't even have to be involved in politics.
• 1:46:33
  SPEAKER_28: You don't even have to be a Republican for to have that happen.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_28: It's just it it's hysterical to me because she does she completely lacks the self-awareness to realize that she was the one that got triggered by the flag.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_28: She was the one that turned it into something that it probably wasn't.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_28: She's the one that decided to go and post a video to express her frustration because she was so taken aback by seeing the flag.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_28: She made a choice to have the old flag impact her negatively while attributing it to individuals that are out there showing it for some symbolic reason, beyond the fact that maybe they just don't like the new flag.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_28: Now, there are those that do that.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_28: Don't misunderstand.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_28: I know that there is.
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_28: There are individuals that hang the old flag as a sign of protest out the outside their home.
• 1:47:22
  SPEAKER_28: But quite honestly, you'd have to go and ask those individuals to know for sure if that's the case.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_28: Because I think there's a lot of people.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_28: I think the majority of people, if they're flying the Minnesota State flag, probably just haven't bothered to go and update it.
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_28: And just because you haven't updated the flag doesn't mean that you're, you know, a conservative or a Republican or trying to spread some message.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_01: But they like to call the left snowflakes, but these people like can't let go of a racist, harmful flag.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what?
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_01: Also, you're spending all your time focusing on a flag and not the fact that this administration and has caused costs to absolutely skyrocket and people are fucking struggling every single day.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Y'all are just gonna lose again and again and again and again.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, vote for Peggy and Amy and all of the Democrats.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:48:15
  SPEAKER_28: Even with her quasi-celebrity status of being Governor Dimwalls' daughter, has she not really been able to make a name for herself as an influencer?
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_21: Good job.
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_21: Minnesota State Fair is nothing special.
• 1:48:31
  SPEAKER_21: I actually think it's a trait of Minnesotans that cause it to have them say be special.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_21: Minnesotans have a typical attitude of Minnesota is the best.
• 1:48:42
  SPEAKER_21: They don't ever travel, they don't live outside the state, they were born here, they die here.
• 1:48:49
  SPEAKER_22: Hey John, this is Mike Uppanely.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_22: I'd like to agree with Hope Walls.
• 1:48:53
  SPEAKER_22: She's right.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_22: Republicans aren't very good at being politicians.
• 1:48:57
  SPEAKER_22: What Republicans are very good at is being genuine.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_22: We're genuinely honest, decent people.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_22: We're genuinely hardworking, conscientious people.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, she's right.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_22: Those are qualities that politicians don't have.
• 1:49:11
  SPEAKER_22: So Hope Walls is pretty right.
• 1:49:13
  SPEAKER_22: Republicans in general aren't very good at being politicians.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_22: But we are good at being genuine, decent, honest, hardworking people.
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_22: And we love America, unlike other Democrat communist politicians.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_28: Matt Dean continues in his piece.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_28: Outside of the GOP booth, you saw older protesters in matching yellow shirts, uh shirts that stood grimly scolding Republicans with slogans about billionaires and pedophiles.
• 1:49:42
  SPEAKER_28: They were uh there to scare off and tisk those who volunteer at the GOP booth.
• 1:49:49
  SPEAKER_28: Not exactly neighborly fun.
• 1:49:51
  SPEAKER_28: The fair should not become a designated protest zone for whoever shows up in coordinated merch.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_28: And the fair needs to update their rules, by the way.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_28: You're not supposed to be able to protest.
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_28: You can't carry signs.
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_28: And yet, that's exactly what these individual morons were doing.
• 1:50:09
  SPEAKER_28: Their shirts were displaying words of protest, ridiculous fake narratives, lies about the Trump administration and Republicans.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_28: And just because they were t-shirts and not signs doesn't mean that they weren't protesting.
• 1:50:26
  SPEAKER_28: They were.
• 1:50:26
  SPEAKER_28: And they were disruptive.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_28: The same rule that rightly got Matt Little booted should have been used to run the protesters off who were harassing Republicans outside their booth.
• 1:50:39
  SPEAKER_28: I will say this.
• 1:50:41
  SPEAKER_28: Let me wrap up with what he said here first.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_28: Clearly the crabby old schools were there to protest and take advantage of the license paid for by the Minnesota GOP to dispirit the people working at the and visiting the booth.
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_28: And we'll talk about Matt Little here in um in just a in just a moment.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_28: The indivisible crowd wearing those t-shirts, they've complicated this issue of protesting.
• 1:51:07
  SPEAKER_28: And I can understand why.
• 1:51:09
  SPEAKER_28: The Minnesota State Fair, whoever that group is, that decides the rules, they need to go and address this to keep this from happening again.
• 1:51:16
  SPEAKER_28: Because more of this is going to happen and it shouldn't.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_28: The Minnesota State Fair, apart from the politicians that are there to go and meet individuals, you do have to adhere to specific rules regarding what I mentioned in protesting.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_28: I can understand a reluctance to go and hold people accountable for what is on their shirts.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_28: Because who's to say what's offensive and isn't offensive?
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_28: But if it were me and I were in charge, I would say, listen, we're not going to go and govern what people are wearing on their shirts.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_28: We're going to look at specifically protesting.
• 1:51:47
  SPEAKER_28: You can't carry signs, and that shirt is the equivalent of a sign, and you are standing for hours on end in front of the GOP booth.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_28: Matt Dean's right here at Center of the American Experiment.
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_28: They should have gotten the boot just like Matt Little, because Matt Little, no stranger to publicity, in his campaign for Minnesota Senate, he reportedly attended 58 high school graduation parties in a single month.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_28: This guy fancies him as like an old school rock radio shock jock.
• 1:52:23
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, we did something similar to this when I was working for a rock station a couple of decades ago now, prior to getting into news talk, where for Halloween we did a whole bit where it was other people's parties.
• 1:52:37
  SPEAKER_28: So we got a limo, had a handful of listeners that won, and then other listeners were talking about the Halloween parties they were having, and we went and decided to go to their party.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_28: So rather than having the radio station host a party, we went to other people's parties.
• 1:52:54
  SPEAKER_28: See, I was on the radio and I was working for a rock station.
• 1:52:57
  SPEAKER_28: I wasn't an individual running for the Minnesota legislature.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_28: However, Matt Little did reportedly attended 58 high school graduation parties in a single month, seeking invitations from high school students with the promise to post his prolific social media accounts.
• 1:53:13
  SPEAKER_28: This winter, Little claimed to be the victim of ICE agents he was following.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_28: He tracked the undercover agents who led him back to his own home and said Little had risked the safety of their intended pursuits.
• 1:53:26
  SPEAKER_28: A hundred years ago, it would not have been all that strange to shake hands with a politician at the fair's beer garden at the grandstand.
• 1:53:34
  SPEAKER_28: But this is 2026, and you could very well settle in on an old park bench and find that the polka band you'd hope to see has been replaced by a drag queen troupe as your hand is snatched by a sweaty politician bounding awkwardly toward the sky ride chased by police.
• 1:53:51
  SPEAKER_28: Matt Little was trying to break a Guinness world record for the most uh hands that could be shaken within a particular time period.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_28: And, you know, thankfully the authorities at the Minnesota State Fair shut down his little attempt at publicity.
• 1:54:13
  SPEAKER_28: He got a lot of it, though, by the way.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_28: Because they said that it violated the rules because he didn't go and get a license for it, but have no fear.
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_28: Uh Matt Little said that he would uh still attempt you, attempt to um go and recreate his his uh world his world record.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_28: He did, though, what did he say?
• 1:54:33
  SPEAKER_28: He did break the record for it was like 57 handshakes inside of 17 seconds.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_28: We went through a little exercise yesterday of how long you should go and actually shake uh someone's uh someone's hand.
• 1:54:46
  SPEAKER_28: In the meantime, Lisa Damath had a poster stolen from the Minnesota State Fair Booth.
• 1:54:50
  SPEAKER_28: I'll bring you details on that in just a moment here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
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  SPEAKER_26: Thank you, dope walls, for showing what ignorance you have and massive prejudice that you have.
• 1:56:12
  SPEAKER_26: The old American flag celebrated the Native Americans in our state.
• 1:56:18
  SPEAKER_26: It wasn't racist.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_26: You Democrats have made it racist, and you've gone to the nth degree of the new flag.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_26: You could have developed a great flag that brought everybody together, but you had to use the Somali flag as an example and went after that.
• 1:56:35
  SPEAKER_26: That's why people are so upset about it.
• 1:56:39
  SPEAKER_26: The first flag celebrated the state, everybody in it, including the indigenous people.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_26: But you Democrats, who you want us to vote for, put together a flag that only celebrated one sector of our community.
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_26: Thanks, Dopey.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_09: Oh my god.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_09: Yet again, hopefully.
• 1:57:13
  SPEAKER_28: Uh considering you're oh, it looks like they got cut off.
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_28: Uh they they got cut off here from their uh talkbacks.
• 1:57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, Minnesota Republicans come to the front.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Come come to the front.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_01: You all, and I mean literally all of you, are so bad at being politicians.
• 1:57:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually it's funny at this point.
• 1:57:40
  SPEAKER_28: All of you, literally all of you.
• 1:57:45
  SPEAKER_16: Hey John, uh, friend of the show here.
• 1:57:48
  SPEAKER_16: Say Matt Little is a complete and utter fraud.
• 1:57:51
  SPEAKER_16: When he first got into politics in his early 20s, he ran as a conservative and became the mayor of Lakeville, and somewhere along the line.
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_16: Completely did a 180, and now he's a complete liberal lunatic.
• 1:58:04
  SPEAKER_16: So just to let you know, the guy's a fraud.
• 1:58:06
  SPEAKER_16: He will go whichever way the wind blows.
• 1:58:10
  SPEAKER_16: Loser.
• 1:58:10
  SPEAKER_16: Have a good day.
• 1:58:11
  SPEAKER_28: One of the worst, by the way.
• 1:58:13
  SPEAKER_28: I just that type of politician is what I mean.
• 1:58:16
  SPEAKER_28: One of the worst types of politicians.
• 1:58:19
  SPEAKER_28: I've I've I've dealt with these in almost every single state that I've that I've done radio in.
• 1:58:24
  SPEAKER_28: No state is immune from the politician who's out there only for himself.
• 1:58:32
  SPEAKER_28: Just like the uh blast has said, is willing to go with whatever way the political winds are shifting.
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_28: Does not matter for individuals like that.
• 1:58:40
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for the uh for the blast to 651-964-0294.
• 1:58:47
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, let's see.
• 1:58:48
  SPEAKER_28: Got a couple of comments that rolled in via text in the blaster line.
• 1:58:51
  SPEAKER_28: Hope is trying to hold on to her last few minutes of relevance before she goes off into the liberal sunset.
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_28: With uh with Daddy not serving in office until he decides where he's going to land.
• 1:59:01
  SPEAKER_28: You're right, her relevancy is gonna drop uh quite uh quite a bit.
• 1:59:05
  SPEAKER_28: Uh let's see.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_28: Uh speaking of paid influencers, does Hope Walls get paid by the DNC to post those videos?
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_28: I don't know.
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_28: Listen, if um if they are, they certainly need to go and request their money back.
• 1:59:40
  SPEAKER_28: And it's hour three here on the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:59:45
  SPEAKER_28: I hope you had a great uh long weekend.
• 1:59:47
  SPEAKER_28: If you missed our live show yesterday, be sure to check out either a rewatch of the video available up on the American Experiment Rumble page or Facebook and YouTube, or check out the podcast that's up on the Mix uh LR app, also on whatever podcast platform that you uh use typically if you missed uh yesterday's show.
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_28: I completely forgot about this.
• 2:00:09
  SPEAKER_28: Uh the annual Labor Day Telethon.
• 2:00:12
  SPEAKER_28: Devin, do you have any idea on that?
• 2:00:14
  SPEAKER_28: No, no, I didn't think so.
• 2:00:15
  SPEAKER_28: That's why.
• 2:00:15
  SPEAKER_28: Because it's gone away and it went away prior to when you probably would have found out about it.
• 2:00:20
  SPEAKER_28: Used to be hosted, uh, but the uh Labor Day Telethon, hosted by Jerry Lewis from 1966 to 2010, raised millions for the Muscular Dystrophy Association.
• 2:00:30
  SPEAKER_28: The telethon uh telethon featured numerous uh celebrity appearances, impressive donation totals, uh peaking at$65 million in 2008.
• 2:00:41
  SPEAKER_28: Despite its success, however, the telethon ended after a dispute between Lewis and the MDA over the show's format and uh content.
• 2:00:49
  SPEAKER_28: The one of the first radio um events I ever did in Tucson was uh at the local uh Labor Day Telethon sponsored by the MDA, and I believe that was 2008.
• 2:01:07
  SPEAKER_28: I had completely I had completely forgotten about it.
• 2:01:10
  SPEAKER_28: As the years flew by, the telephone telephon unfortunately lost steam.
• 2:01:14
  SPEAKER_28: It did break records in 2008, 65 million donations.
• 2:01:18
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, that's because it was the year that I was involved uh in it.
• 2:01:21
  SPEAKER_28: Just want to point that out.
• 2:01:23
  SPEAKER_28: It was not enough, though.
• 2:01:24
  SPEAKER_28: I did my part.
• 2:01:25
  SPEAKER_28: It was not enough for uh for Lewis to keep uh to stay on the airwaves.
• 2:01:30
  SPEAKER_28: Behind the scenes, uh Jerry Lewis and the MDA butted heads over the show's content, uh content and length.
• 2:01:36
  SPEAKER_28: When the Muscular Dystrophy Association announced plans to slash the marathon broadcast from 21.5 hours to a pre-recorded six-hour Sunday special, Lewis initially agreed to host the short uh hand the short the shortened event one last time in 2011.
• 2:01:55
  SPEAKER_28: However, a fierce clash over control soon followed.
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_28: Lewis insisted his uh final sign-off be entirely live while the MDA demanded a pre-taped segment.
• 2:02:08
  SPEAKER_28: Devin, could do you think you could pick Jerry Lewis out of a lineup?
• 2:02:12
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think so.
• 2:02:13
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_28: That's kind of what that's got that's got that's kind of what I thought.
• 2:02:18
  SPEAKER_28: Very famous comedian, by the way.
• 2:02:20
  SPEAKER_28: Uh combined with uh Lewis's public criticism of modern reality TV shows, the battle over the broadcast format pushed the relationship past its breaking point.
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_28: Just weeks before the broadcast, MDA abruptly ousted the 85-year-old entertainment icon, forcing him to step down as a national chairman and making his 2010 appearance in which he cried as he sang the signature classic, You'll Never Walk Alone, his unexpected final telethon.
• 2:02:47
  SPEAKER_28: After the 2014 telethon, the MDA announced it was pulling the plug on the nearly 60-year-old tradition.
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I remember growing up with the, I'm sure you do too.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_28: I remember growing up with the uh with the telephon.
• 2:02:58
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, it wasn't anything that I watched extensively as a um as a kid, uh, but it was something that every single year, just like, you know, the other the rose parade uh that takes place over New Year's, right?
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_28: The end came after decades of Lewis parrying criticisms that he was too mean in his approach and used too much pity to garner donations.
• 2:03:23
  SPEAKER_28: Oh, in twenty in 2007 he caught Heed for making a joke using the words of illiterate and then um what uh British people refer to as uh cigarettes that's used as a derogatory turn in the LGBTQ community here in the United States.
• 2:03:41
  SPEAKER_28: Uh drag with uh with an F.
• 2:03:45
  SPEAKER_28: Through it all, the fundraiser managed to raise an estimated two billion dollars.
• 2:03:52
  SPEAKER_28: Lewis died on August 20th, 2017, at age 91 in Las Vegas, uh, Nevada.
• 2:03:59
  SPEAKER_28: A couple of comments roll thin.
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_28: No shortage of opinions regarding Jerry Lewis.
• 2:04:03
  SPEAKER_04: John Jerry Lewis is a world-class jackass that was widely known.
• 2:04:08
  SPEAKER_04: He's uh difficult, weird man.
• 2:04:12
  SPEAKER_28: As most individuals like him are.
• 2:04:17
  SPEAKER_28: Um Jim Carrey, uh, Devin, for for the for the sake of you Gen Zers.
• 2:04:22
  SPEAKER_28: Probably like a modern day Jerry Lewis.
• 2:04:25
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 2:04:25
  SPEAKER_28: Not a great example, but if you were gonna compare him, and he's also a weirdo as uh as well.
• 2:04:31
  SPEAKER_28: If you're gonna compare him, that's who you probably would compare him to.
• 2:04:34
  SPEAKER_18: Yeah, good morning, John.
• 2:04:35
  SPEAKER_18: Uh, the amazing thing about the Jerry Lewis Labor Day Telethon was the only one time in the year back in the 60s and 70s when you could watch something entertaining for an entire like 24 hours a day.
• 2:04:48
  SPEAKER_18: You get up at two in the morning and you didn't see the flight with the star spangled in our plane or a test pattern.
• 2:04:55
  SPEAKER_18: But it was awful.
• 2:05:03
  SPEAKER_21: I sure as I could pick out Jerry Stiller.
• 2:05:06
  SPEAKER_21: Have a great day.
• 2:05:11
  SPEAKER_28: You're gonna have me point that out.
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_28: Oh, and by somebody uh people are leaving comments regarding my drag with a with with an F.
• 2:05:19
  SPEAKER_28: You understood what I was saying.
• 2:05:25
  SPEAKER_28: The continuity directors are out in force this morning.
• 2:05:29
  SPEAKER_28: Uh 651-964-0294.
• 2:05:32
  SPEAKER_28: I have one more fair-related item.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_28: I mentioned it a moment ago.
• 2:05:35
  SPEAKER_28: A sign promoting the car tab uh proposal, the car tab fee proposal.
• 2:05:40
  SPEAKER_28: Unfortunately, it was stolen at the Minnesota State Fair, and now there's a reward for whoever took it.
• 2:05:45
  SPEAKER_28: There's video footage.
• 2:05:47
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, this is from uh Alpha News.
• 2:05:49
  SPEAKER_28: Uh actually, no, this is from Fox Knight.
• 2:05:50
  SPEAKER_28: I believe it's over at Alpha News as well.
• 2:05:53
  SPEAKER_28: But um, there's video footage of this clown stealing this sign from the Lisa Damuth gubernatorial campaign promoting the card tab fee proposal.
• 2:06:05
  SPEAKER_28: It's worth a watch to see this moron as he tries to stealthily go and remove the poster from the wall and just fails miserably in doing so.
• 2:06:18
  SPEAKER_28: So the Republican Party of Minnesota is offering$500 for information leading to the arrest of the suspect who allegedly stole the sign from the state fair booth, again, promoting Lisa Damas' proposal to cap the card tab fees at$99 or less per year.
• 2:06:34
  SPEAKER_28: I guess this guy wants to continue to pay hundreds upon hundreds of dollars.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think these idiots are thinking that deep on any of these issues, by the way.
• 2:06:48
  SPEAKER_28: GOP officials say the sign had only been on display for one day before it was reportedly taken from the Minnesota GOP booth.
• 2:06:55
  SPEAKER_28: Officials say the GOP Fair Booth security first noticed the alleged individual earlier in the afternoon and alerted the state fair police to his suspicious behavior.
• 2:07:04
  SPEAKER_28: The man was directed to leave the area, which he did, but then later returned.
• 2:07:10
  SPEAKER_28: I do not, I do not understand the mentality of individuals like this.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_28: That's who I you know what I when it comes to like people that I want to talk to that I want to interview, like, and this is very specific and it would be unique.
• 2:07:26
  SPEAKER_28: But I would love to talk to an individual who was a former radical leftist that would do something like this, but who has had a change of heart and has seen the light.
• 2:07:36
  SPEAKER_28: Because I don't trust talking to an individual that does it now.
• 2:07:39
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, I suppose you could try to get an authentic reaction.
• 2:07:43
  SPEAKER_28: But for example, with this idiot, I would love to talk to this guy and just think, why?
• 2:07:48
  SPEAKER_28: Why did you go through all this effort?
• 2:07:49
  SPEAKER_28: What were you hoping to accomplish?
• 2:07:51
  SPEAKER_28: What was it doing for you?
• 2:07:55
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, if you have thoughts on this, I would love to hear it.
• 2:07:57
  SPEAKER_28: Because I just I don't I I don't under I don't understand that.
• 2:08:00
  SPEAKER_28: I don't understand what drives a person to go and commit an act like this to the point where basically like you thought about it further.
• 2:08:10
  SPEAKER_28: That's not to say I know that people aren't capable of it.
• 2:08:12
  SPEAKER_28: Of course they are.
• 2:08:14
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, you can apply the same questions, and I did when it's um with regard to the Minnesota DFL and former Senator Nicole Mitchell and her going and breaking into her stepmother's home in the middle of the night after driving hours with plenty of time to go and think about the ramifications of her crime before she went and committed it, and she did it anyways.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_28: When you compare her actions to this idiot, right?
• 2:08:40
  SPEAKER_28: It's kind of no comparison.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_28: But that being said, the mentality is still there.
• 2:08:44
  SPEAKER_28: What why?
• 2:08:45
  SPEAKER_28: What did you hope to gain from stealing the sign?
• 2:08:48
  SPEAKER_28: Keeping the information from other individuals?
• 2:08:50
  SPEAKER_28: Because you certainly didn't succeed.
• 2:08:51
  SPEAKER_28: As a matter of fact, you brought more attention to Lisa Damath and Ryan Wilson's$99 cab fee proposal than you would have if you just let the sign stay there.
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_28: Most people just would have walked past it and never even seen it.
• 2:09:06
  SPEAKER_28: Now you have a Fox 9 story, and the guy is wanted by the authorities.
• 2:09:12
  SPEAKER_28: GOP officials say they filed a police report and requested the charges be pursued.
• 2:09:17
  SPEAKER_28: Photos and video of the suspect are being released publicly.
• 2:09:21
  SPEAKER_28: Unless, of course, this was somebody on the GOP side.
• 2:09:24
  SPEAKER_28: I'm just going to throw it out there for the sake of argument in case unfortunately that ends up being the case.
• 2:09:28
  SPEAKER_28: Unless this was somebody on the GOP side that was trying to create a viral incident and stole the sign.
• 2:09:34
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think that's the case here, but if it were to be the case, then I at least want to throw that out there just so I'm being consistent.
• 2:09:44
  SPEAKER_28: We knew Lisa Damas'$99 or less Car TAS proposal was popular.
• 2:09:49
  SPEAKER_28: We just didn't know people would start stealing the signs, said GOP chairman Alex Plekish on social media.
• 2:09:54
  SPEAKER_28: Nice move.
• 2:09:55
  SPEAKER_28: That's a good comment.
• 2:09:57
  SPEAKER_28: Give some credit where credit's due.
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_28: It's pretty clever.
• 2:10:01
  SPEAKER_28: The Minnesota State Fair Police Department says a police report was filed in connection with the incident on Saturday.
• 2:10:07
  SPEAKER_28: State Fair police say they responded to a walk-in delayed theft report.
• 2:10:11
  SPEAKER_28: Police say the suspect has not yet been identified, but a report was taken.
• 2:10:15
  SPEAKER_28: Oh, and you can absolutely tell, um, you can tell what this guy looks like.
• 2:10:19
  SPEAKER_28: I'm somebody knows who he who he uh who he is.
• 2:10:22
  SPEAKER_28: Uh let's go to the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 2:10:26
  SPEAKER_24: Hey, good morning, John.
• 2:10:27
  SPEAKER_24: This is Shackby.
• 2:10:28
  SPEAKER_24: You know, this registration deal.
• 2:10:30
  SPEAKER_24: I can't tell you the number of Democrats.
• 2:10:33
  SPEAKER_24: They've got all the Democrat signs in their yard that I drive by on a daily basis that have their vehicles registered in Wisconsin.
• 2:10:44
  SPEAKER_24: I don't know how they're getting away with it because the cars sit in Hennepin County most of the time.
• 2:10:51
  SPEAKER_24: Uh, I have three neighbors that do it, and they're proud of Democrats.
• 2:10:56
  SPEAKER_24: So, anyway, I know they're scamming the system, um, but yet they'll keep voting for Democrats, so they can just keep registering their car in Wisconsin because it's cheaper.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_24: All right.
• 2:11:06
  SPEAKER_24: Have a good day.
• 2:11:07
  SPEAKER_28: Well, they're able to get away with it if they're not pulled over, right?
• 2:11:10
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, if they're not pulled over or questioned, then you know they could probably get away with that for uh for quite a long time, I would have, I would imagine.
• 2:11:19
  SPEAKER_28: 651-964-0294, if you want to leave a voice or a text message to the uh blaster line.
• 2:11:28
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, somebody wrote in, remember the last time a Republican was caught stealing signs for something stupid like that?
• 2:11:33
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I don't uh I don't either.
• 2:11:34
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, I know, right?
• 2:11:35
  SPEAKER_28: It's funny how that happens.
• 2:11:37
  SPEAKER_28: Uh let's see.
• 2:11:39
  SPEAKER_28: Damath has committed to, just to get the backstory here and to complete the circle of what this moron created in attempting to go and steal this sign, Damath has uh committed to bringing car tab fees down to$99 or less if she is elected governor.
• 2:11:53
  SPEAKER_28: According to the Minnesota GOP, Minnesotans face dramatic increases in car tab fees under total Democrat control.
• 2:12:00
  SPEAKER_28: The Minnesota GOP also says that Senator uh Amy Klobuchar has supported the legislator leading the charge on that increase.
• 2:12:08
  SPEAKER_28: Klobuchar and Damuth will, of course, square off in November in the Minnesota governor's race after uh Dim Walls announced he would not seek a third term.
• 2:12:16
  SPEAKER_28: I said uh Dim Walls, not um Fox 9.
• 2:12:22
  SPEAKER_28: I just want to go and point that out.
• 2:12:24
  SPEAKER_28: Speaking of Amy Klobuchar, Minnesota Governor Tim Walls announced that the state is not going to uh opt into the federal tax credit program that could generate millions for K-12 students.
• 2:12:39
  SPEAKER_28: The program, which does require states to opt in and provide a list of eligible scholarship granting organizations, has been met with opposition from Democrats who argue it incentivizes enrollment outside of public schools.
• 2:12:51
  SPEAKER_28: Republicans, however, argue the program would benefit both public and non-public students and create competition between schools because that's exactly what it would do.
• 2:13:03
  SPEAKER_28: Klobuchar remains silent on this issue as we are poised to lose out on this significant education funding.
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  SPEAKER_23: There are rooms and apartments and shelter space available for all of these people.
• 2:15:32
  SPEAKER_23: And in fact, uh speaking with a Native American leader uh last summer or a little bit longer ago, and he said he currently had five apartments rented for five different individuals living in a particular homeless encampment, but they wouldn't stay there.
• 2:15:50
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• 2:15:50
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• 2:16:09
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• 2:16:10
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota has always been a low crime state.
• 2:16:13
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• 2:16:26
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• 2:16:27
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• 2:16:34
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• 2:16:39
  SPEAKER_38: So Tom Hauser of KSTP TV ran a story questioning the origin and accuracy of the claim that fraud in Minnesota amounts to nine billion dollars.
• 2:16:49
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• 2:16:50
  SPEAKER_38: We use it here at American Experiment um to help explain why so many Minnesotans, 58% of Minnesotans, in fact, believe the state is on the wrong track.
• 2:17:01
  SPEAKER_38: That$9 billion figure gets used all of the time, and it's used by people in positions of authority candidates all across the board.
• 2:17:09
  SPEAKER_38: Hauser correctly traces the origin of that figure to Joe Thompson of the U.S.
• 2:17:13
  SPEAKER_38: Attorney's Office in Minneapolis.
• 2:17:15
  SPEAKER_38: Thompson said that half or more of the$18 billion in spending on 14 high-risk Medicaid programs in Minnesota was fraudulent.
• 2:17:25
  SPEAKER_38: Asked and answered, KSTP could have concluded their piece right there, as far as I'm concerned.
• 2:17:31
  SPEAKER_38: It's also worth noting that, like, this was on 14 high-risk Medicaid programs.
• 2:17:36
  SPEAKER_38: He wasn't even referencing all of Minnesota government, right?
• 2:17:40
  SPEAKER_38: Looking at all programs.
• 2:17:41
  SPEAKER_38: This was 14 Medicaid programs.
• 2:17:44
  SPEAKER_38: But Hauser goes on to compare the$9 billion assessment against a ledger of money connected to fraud convictions, including the feeding our future case, which came in a little under$300 million.
• 2:17:54
  SPEAKER_38: His conclusion is that the money uncovered through investigations, arrests, and convictions will likely never reach$9 billion.
• 2:18:01
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, aren't these two different numbers?
• 2:18:03
  SPEAKER_38: I mean, the amount of money that we're actually able to go after and prove in a court of law was fraudulently taken, and likely the amount of fraud that was committed.
• 2:18:13
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• 2:19:12
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• 2:19:21
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• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_02: The Minnesota government does run a snitch line to call in to report Minnesota residents and citizens driving cars registered in Wisconsin.
• 2:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: It was established in the 90s.
• 2:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if it's still there.
• 2:19:42
  SPEAKER_02: Call it in.
• 2:19:45
  SPEAKER_28: Oh, that's interesting.
• 2:19:47
  SPEAKER_28: I didn't know we had a d did we end up changing that snitch line over to the COVID snitch line?
• 2:19:51
  SPEAKER_28: Is that the one that we used?
• 2:19:53
  SPEAKER_28: I don't know.
• 2:19:53
  SPEAKER_28: Would you call in on somebody?
• 2:19:55
  SPEAKER_28: I don't think that I would snitch on somebody.
• 2:19:58
  SPEAKER_28: I don't.
• 2:20:00
  SPEAKER_28: Listen, you're the one putting yourself at risk.
• 2:20:03
  SPEAKER_28: I wouldn't, I don't think I would call and snitch on somebody.
• 2:20:05
  SPEAKER_28: That's not costing me any money.
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, maybe you can argue that the money that they're not paying in the registration tabs for their cars should be going to the state of Minnesota and then for the services that the state is supposed to go and offer with our tax dollars.
• 2:20:18
  SPEAKER_28: But even then, I would think that the dollar amount would be negligible and it wouldn't matter.
• 2:20:23
  SPEAKER_28: So I don't think that I would personally go and snitch on anybody.
• 2:20:27
  SPEAKER_28: But that's just uh that's just me.
• 2:20:29
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• 2:20:33
  SPEAKER_28: Senator Amy Clobishar, candidate for Minnesota governor, silent on whether she would opt, uh, whether she would opt to use an opt-in Minnesota into the federal tax credit credit program that could generate millions of dollars for the state's K through 12 students.
• 2:20:48
  SPEAKER_28: In short, taxpayers in all 50 states can utilize a tax credit, but only students from the states that have opted into the program will benefit from the donations.
• 2:20:59
  SPEAKER_28: Under federal law, state governors can unilaterally opt their states into the program.
• 2:21:04
  SPEAKER_28: So far, 27 states have decided to opt in.
• 2:21:07
  SPEAKER_28: Of all those states except Colorado and Virginia, they're run by Republicans.
• 2:21:11
  SPEAKER_28: Minnesota does not appear likely to join that list.
• 2:21:13
  SPEAKER_28: Trump derangement syndrome costs us money.
• 2:21:16
  SPEAKER_28: That's my takeaway.
• 2:21:18
  SPEAKER_28: If it wasn't for the rabid TDS that those on the left suffer, we would probably have access to money that we don't have access to, like this, where Klobuchar continues to remain silent as we are poised to lose significant education funding.
• 2:21:35
  SPEAKER_28: Well, at the same time, there's the threat of funding being removed from the state of Minnesota because of Trump derangement syndrome and the state's refusal to comply with the federal government.
• 2:21:49
  SPEAKER_28: Republicans in the Minnesota legislature have authored, had authored a bill that would opt Minnesota into the program, warned that failure to opt-in would result in Minnesota dollars benefiting out of state students rather than in-state students.
• 2:22:02
  SPEAKER_28: State Representative Andrew Myers, the chief author of the opt-in bill, said the opting in to the program would have brought in between$50 and$100 million to the table for Minnesota K-12 students.
• 2:22:15
  SPEAKER_28: The America First Policy Institute estimated that opting in would generate$810 million over three years for Minnesota students if a modest number of state taxpayers used the tax credit.
• 2:22:27
  SPEAKER_28: Failure to opt-in would mean all of the potential money goes elsewhere.
• 2:22:32
  SPEAKER_28: Meanwhile, the Minnesota Department of Education said the program's incentives incentivizes enrollment outside of public schools.
• 2:22:40
  SPEAKER_28: And Democrats have claimed that the tax credit is essentially a school voucher program that benefits private schools at the expense of public schools.
• 2:22:51
  SPEAKER_28: Minnesota GOP chairman Alex Plekish recently called on Klobuchar to make her position clear on the tax credit.
• 2:22:59
  SPEAKER_28: Minnesotans deserve to know where Amy Klobuchar stands.
• 2:23:02
  SPEAKER_28: Will she stand with Walls and the failing status quo or will she stand with the parents and students who are demanding better?
• 2:23:08
  SPEAKER_28: She can't keep avoiding the biggest issue facing our state.
• 2:23:11
  SPEAKER_28: Alpha News did reach out to Klobichar for the story, but did not receive a response prior to publication.
• 2:23:16
  SPEAKER_28: This was from Alpha News, so I inappropriately attributed that when I started talking about it.
• 2:23:22
  SPEAKER_28: Look, when you look at the wrong track, Minnesota, that's available at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 2:23:27
  SPEAKER_28: I'm going to run through a few items here.
• 2:23:28
  SPEAKER_28: This falls into the same category.
• 2:23:31
  SPEAKER_28: There is a battle going on on a number of different levels.
• 2:23:34
  SPEAKER_28: There's a battle for the minds of our young people in this country that Democrats have unfortunately been winning.
• 2:23:42
  SPEAKER_28: When it comes to the public education system, when it comes to the university system, they have absolutely been winning that battle.
• 2:23:48
  SPEAKER_28: You can see it just in the young people, you know, here in Minnesota.
• 2:23:54
  SPEAKER_28: You can see it in the yearly uh lack of equality education analytics that we get showing how kids in Mississippi can read better than kids in Minnesota.
• 2:24:06
  SPEAKER_28: How we're and I'm gonna have more examples of this in just a moment, how we are a below average state economically speaking.
• 2:24:13
  SPEAKER_28: Kids aren't proficient in reading.
• 2:24:15
  SPEAKER_28: They're not proficient in math.
• 2:24:18
  SPEAKER_28: Democrats want them stupid because they'll be more inclined to vote for the leftists if they're stupid.
• 2:24:26
  SPEAKER_28: And in this case, here, this would benefit this money could benefit all students here in Minnesota.
• 2:24:33
  SPEAKER_28: Couldn't it be used for individuals to go to private schools?
• 2:24:38
  SPEAKER_28: Sure, it can.
• 2:24:39
  SPEAKER_28: But that's a benefit as well.
• 2:24:41
  SPEAKER_28: Why wouldn't every politician, regardless of your political affiliation, want every student to have the best quality education that they can possibly afford or receive, regardless of whether or not it's public or private?
• 2:24:55
  SPEAKER_28: Well, it's for all the reasons that I just mentioned.
• 2:24:57
  SPEAKER_28: But in a sane rational world where Trump derangement syndrome didn't drive the decision making of so many of these activist-elected officials, you would have just what I mentioned.
• 2:25:13
  SPEAKER_28: You would have bipartisan agreement over wanting to make sure that every child has access to a quality education, regardless of whether or not that's a charter private home or public school.
• 2:25:29
  SPEAKER_28: But alas, Trump derangement syndrome uh does exist.
• 2:25:33
  SPEAKER_28: And unfortunately, because of that, you get Amy Klobuchar, for example, being silent on opting into this federal tax credit.
• 2:25:45
  SPEAKER_28: Speaking of Ron Track, Minnesota, and specifically how we are a uh below average state economically, you can see this list available at AmericanExperiment.org, Minnesota Taxes Small Businesses more than any other state.
• 2:26:00
  SPEAKER_28: To that point, Minnesota taxpayers will be on the hook for$3.3 million in attorney's fees after the state unsuccessfully sought to ban certain religious institutions from participating in the state's post-secondary, uh post-to-secondary enrollment options, the PSEO program.
• 2:26:22
  SPEAKER_28: There is a spiritual war that is taking place right now, regardless of whether or not you are a religious person.
• 2:26:32
  SPEAKER_28: There's absolutely a spiritual war that is taking place.
• 2:26:37
  SPEAKER_28: It drives my uh commentary and belief that we need to and are in many ways rising to the occasion to challenge this.
• 2:26:49
  SPEAKER_28: But the whole reason why this$3 million in attorneys' fees is now going to be spent because the state unsuccessfully sought to ban certain religious institutions goes back to the fact that the state was seeking to ban certain religious institutions because this runs counter to what the leftists want.
• 2:27:09
  SPEAKER_28: They want you making decisions based only on your own base emotions.
• 2:27:15
  SPEAKER_28: They want you wrapped up in your own identity and not adhering to anything outside of the self.
• 2:27:23
  SPEAKER_28: People are more easily susceptible to propaganda.
• 2:27:26
  SPEAKER_28: They can be controlled easier.
• 2:27:28
  SPEAKER_28: You can justify basic, basically, any behavior you want when you have no other authority beyond yourself.
• 2:27:38
  SPEAKER_28: This was a part of that.
• 2:27:41
  SPEAKER_28: So when it comes to the leftists, the Democrats that were fighting this, they don't care that we're spending the money.
• 2:27:45
  SPEAKER_28: It doesn't matter.
• 2:27:46
  SPEAKER_28: This was a righteous and just move on their part.
• 2:27:49
  SPEAKER_28: Unfortunately, it's going to cost us all money.
• 2:27:51
  SPEAKER_28: The longstanding PSEO program allows high school students to earn college credits for free.
• 2:27:56
  SPEAKER_28: The law in question was passed in 2023 by the DFL control legislature, prohibited religious colleges from requiring on-campus PSEO students to sign a faith statement attesting to the institution's beliefs and values.
• 2:28:09
  SPEAKER_28: It also forbade schools from basing any part of the administration, excuse me, admission decision on the student's race, creed, ethnicity, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or religious beliefs or affiliations.
• 2:28:22
  SPEAKER_28: The law was immediately challenged in court by Crown College and the University of Northwestern St.
• 2:28:28
  SPEAKER_28: Paul, along with concerned parents who were represented by the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty.
• 2:28:34
  SPEAKER_28: A U.S.
• 2:28:34
  SPEAKER_28: District Judge Nancy Brazzle agreed with the plaintiffs and struck down the law in its entirety as being unconstitutional.
• 2:28:43
  SPEAKER_28: That happened in August of 2025.
• 2:28:45
  SPEAKER_28: In a July 28th order this year, Brassell ordered the state to pay$3.3 million in attorney's fees and expenses to the plaintiffs, writing that the volume of hours Beckett expended reflects the demands of sophisticated and unsuccessful constitutional litigation against a well-resourced government defendant.
• 2:29:08
  SPEAKER_28: Defendants in this case, by the way, Minnesota Department of Education, Commissioner Willie Jett, who were represented by Attorney General Thief Ellison's office.
• 2:29:18
  SPEAKER_28: Of no surprise.
• 2:29:19
  SPEAKER_28: Prevailing counsel who achieved complete relief, as the plaintiffs did here, are entitled to a fully compensatory fee, Brazzle wrote.
• 2:29:29
  SPEAKER_28: House Republican floor leader Harry Niska, a Republican out of Ramsey, noted that the his caucus warned Democrats in 2023 that targeting colleges because of their religious beliefs was blatantly unconstitutional and would be struck down by the courts.
• 2:29:46
  SPEAKER_28: But Democrats refused to listen.
• 2:29:50
  SPEAKER_28: The plaintiffs had to sue to protect their U.S.
• 2:29:53
  SPEAKER_28: constitutional rights, and then they had to endure a long legal process to defend themselves after the Walls administration and attorney general Thief Ellison counter-sued.
• 2:30:01
  SPEAKER_28: I said thief, not him.
• 2:30:04
  SPEAKER_28: This was clearly done to punish those two colleges for merely exercising their religious freedoms, said Niska.
• 2:30:11
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, see, it's okay if you have uh religion.
• 2:30:14
  SPEAKER_28: It's okay if you're a religious individual as long as it's the right religion.
• 2:30:19
  SPEAKER_28: If it's not the right religion, and the ones that were applicable to this particular program weren't the right religion to those on the left, because it's not one that the left can go and exploit to their own advantage.
• 2:30:34
  SPEAKER_28: If you're a part of other religions that the left believes they can exploit and bring about more electoral victories, then those religions are all thumbs up.
• 2:30:43
  SPEAKER_28: Just not those pesky Christian ones.
• 2:30:48
  SPEAKER_28: Attorney General Ellison countersuing and contributing to defend a law that he should have known was unconstitutional is inexcusable, said Harry Niska.
• 2:31:00
  SPEAKER_28: Now taxpayers are stuck with the$3.3 million bill for the Democrats' attack on religious freedom.
• 2:31:07
  SPEAKER_28: The entire mess was entirely predictable, completely avoidable, and an indefensible waste of taxpayer dollars, said Harry Niska.
• 2:31:16
  SPEAKER_28: And he's absolutely right.
• 2:31:20
  SPEAKER_28: And again, you've got a couple of different facets here, but it all goes and points to one thing, and that is the lengths that the left will go to as they wage their war against conservatives on every single level.
• 2:31:33
  SPEAKER_28: And dollar amounts do not matter.
• 2:31:35
  SPEAKER_28: Fraud didn't matter until it was going to potentially have a negative impact on election outcomes.
• 2:31:42
  SPEAKER_28: Then the left cared about fraud.
• 2:31:46
  SPEAKER_28: The left currently doesn't care about car tab fees.
• 2:31:51
  SPEAKER_28: Polling data or whatever information they're drawing from clearly has shown them that it's not one they have to worry about, at least for now.
• 2:31:57
  SPEAKER_28: I think it's in large part because it just hasn't gained enough attention, which is something that obviously the gubernatorial campaign for Lisa Damath and Ryan Wilson is attempting to go and change with their new car tab program where they want to lower the fees to$99.
• 2:32:14
  SPEAKER_28: So much so that people are actually going and stealing the signs.
• 2:32:17
  SPEAKER_28: That just cracks me up.
• 2:32:18
  SPEAKER_28: Still, what an idiot.
• 2:32:20
  SPEAKER_28: Did you not think for just a moment?
• 2:32:22
  SPEAKER_28: Both times when you went to go steal the sign?
• 2:32:24
  SPEAKER_28: All right.
• 2:32:25
  SPEAKER_28: Speaking of high taxes, let's go here.
• 2:32:28
  SPEAKER_28: This one comes out of uh Channel 5 Eyewitness 2s, KSTP.
• 2:32:32
  SPEAKER_28: And uh Isante County family is challenging the county in court after their home value increase.
• 2:32:40
  SPEAKER_28: This story is insane, by the way.
• 2:32:41
  SPEAKER_28: I just I can't I put myself in the shoes of this property owner and I would be livid.
• 2:32:48
  SPEAKER_28: This home's value for this property owner increased by nearly 300% in 12 years, making the taxes completely unaffordable.
• 2:32:58
  SPEAKER_28: The family plans to present evidence of lower appraisals and argue for a reduction in the property's evaluation.
• 2:33:06
  SPEAKER_28: The kicker of it is, and I have a clip here that I'm gonna play from uh from KSTP in just a moment, but the family that built this home, it was a one-bedroom home that they built in 2015 for just over$130,000, including the land and materials.
• 2:33:25
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 2:33:26
  SPEAKER_28: So Stephen Amranke helped his son Scott build this one-bedroom home for$130,000 in 2015.
• 2:33:35
  SPEAKER_28: The latest county valuation now lists the property at over$484,000.
• 2:33:46
  SPEAKER_28: We'll get to your comments here in just a moment, but I want to go to um to Channel 5 and play this uh this clip from one of their reporters talking about this very story here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:33:58
  SPEAKER_12: Imagine your home value jumping.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_12: Up 300% in just 12 years.
• 2:34:02
  SPEAKER_12: For one Isante County man that lives right here, his one-bedroom home has now seen that type of property valuation growth.
• 2:34:11
  SPEAKER_12: He was all in on his home at$130,000 for in 2015 here in Isantee County.
• 2:34:17
  SPEAKER_12: The recent valuation,$484,000.
• 2:34:23
  SPEAKER_12: A nearly 300% increase in Isani County for one man's one-bedroom home.
• 2:34:29
  SPEAKER_12: And right now he says with that rising home value, it's tough to pay the taxes because paying property taxes on a half a million dollar home is a lot different than paying taxes on a$130,000 home.
• 2:34:41
  SPEAKER_12: But curious, for any Minnesotans out there, have you seen a home value jump up so much in such a little amount of time?
• 2:34:50
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, listen, add this to the list.
• 2:34:53
  SPEAKER_28: Minnesota is facing challenges ranking below average in education, economy, and business taxation.
• 2:34:59
  SPEAKER_28: Property values, is that on the list now?
• 2:35:01
  SPEAKER_28: The state's per capita GDP has declined, and it has the highest effective corporate tax rate for small businesses.
• 2:35:09
  SPEAKER_28: In addition, a significant portion of our Medicaid funds may have been lost to fraud.
• 2:35:14
  SPEAKER_28: And this is before we get into, as we just played, property taxes for crying out loud.
• 2:35:20
  SPEAKER_28: This story here is just insane.
• 2:35:22
  SPEAKER_28: Again, I would be livid.
• 2:35:23
  SPEAKER_28: You built a home for$130,000.
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_28: You did that intentionally.
• 2:35:28
  SPEAKER_28: Land and materials, and I under, I understand like appreciation of land that's going to go up, right, depending on what's around it, but a 300%.
• 2:35:39
  SPEAKER_28: He says we built it to keep the cost down because it was all we could afford.
• 2:35:43
  SPEAKER_28: And now it's getting to the point where they're taxing him.
• 2:35:46
  SPEAKER_28: This would be his son out of it.
• 2:35:48
  SPEAKER_28: When we went to try to sit down with them, they passed us over another sheet that they're going to raise it again to 484 in 2027.
• 2:35:59
  SPEAKER_28: He said the taxes are now nearly as high as the home payment.
• 2:36:02
  SPEAKER_28: He also said the family does not know why the valuation rose so much so fast.
• 2:36:08
  SPEAKER_28: The property has one bedroom, a small living room, and a small kitchen attached to a large garage.
• 2:36:12
  SPEAKER_28: The family also has more than 18 acres of land and said that 80% of it is wetland and cannot be built on.
• 2:36:18
  SPEAKER_28: That's a bummer.
• 2:36:19
  SPEAKER_28: I was going to say they should uh tell the state they can come put some solar panels or, you know, a windmill back in the in the backyard.
• 2:36:26
  SPEAKER_28: Maybe that'll lower his property value.
• 2:36:28
  SPEAKER_28: Recent outside appraisals have valued the property as low as$270,000.
• 2:36:34
  SPEAKER_28: And now the family is planning to chant to uh challenge the county uh in court next spring.
• 2:36:39
  SPEAKER_28: I just listen, I still rent at this point in time.
• 2:36:45
  SPEAKER_28: I'm glad that I do, and these are conversations that I do not want to go and bring up with my uh landlord.
• 2:36:52
  SPEAKER_28: Uh I want to go back to the uh blaster line.
• 2:36:54
  SPEAKER_28: Friend of the show and uh lawyer James Dickey wanted to comment on the$33 million in attorney's fees over the PSEO uh program that a court uh deemed was unconstitutional.
• 2:37:07
  SPEAKER_08: Hey, John, it's James Dickey.
• 2:37:08
  SPEAKER_08: Good morning.
• 2:37:09
  SPEAKER_08: In addition to that$3.3 million in attorney's fees, they the state is going to have to pay to the Beckett Fund for its great work in representing Crown and Northwestern and those parents.
• 2:37:19
  SPEAKER_08: Um the state also had to pay attorney's fees as an award, I believe, in the amount of about$700,000 to the Minnesota Chamber of Commerce after the state uh passed a law that attempts attempted to essentially evade the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United from back in 2010.
• 2:37:39
  SPEAKER_08: Uh and so once again, Keith Ellison and his bad litigation decisions on top of the DFL trifector just keep costing state taxpayers big money.
• 2:37:48
  SPEAKER_08: And it's just atrocious.
• 2:37:50
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you, as always, for the commentary, uh, James Dickey.
• 2:37:54
  SPEAKER_28: I greatly appreciate it.
• 2:37:55
  SPEAKER_28: If you want to leave a voice or text message, you can do so at 651-964-0294.
• 2:38:04
  SPEAKER_28: I have a text that came in.
• 2:38:06
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, let's see.
• 2:38:07
  SPEAKER_28: My uh home is a three-bedroom in Eden Prairie, and the estimated value is$410,000.
• 2:38:14
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, what are your property taxes based off of that?
• 2:38:16
  SPEAKER_28: And what did you start off as?
• 2:38:18
  SPEAKER_28: Be the questions that I have.
• 2:38:20
  SPEAKER_28: All right, we'll get back to more of your comments in just a moment, 651-964-0294, as I mentioned.
• 2:38:26
  SPEAKER_28: Also, getting back to sort of the commentary that's been in the in the background of the show all morning long, and this is um the need to combat the way that news is disseminated, the way that opinions are put out via social media.
• 2:38:46
  SPEAKER_28: This is the world that we live in right now.
• 2:38:48
  SPEAKER_28: And as a bit of a preview, just expect as we get closer to Thursday and the one-year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, that there is going to be online, if you're online, prepare yourself for a lot of evil uh evil celebratory videos in the wake of the one-year anniversary of his assassination.
• 2:39:09
  SPEAKER_28: I want to give you an example of the story coming out of uh Georgetown and what they're planning on doing there.
• 2:39:14
  SPEAKER_28: We'll get to some more of your thoughts from the blaster line uh as well, here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 2:39:22
  SPEAKER_33: Join Center of the American Experiment on Saturday, September 19th for our 2026 fall briefing featuring Byron York.
• 2:39:29
  SPEAKER_33: Byron York is the chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner, but you probably know him from his frequent appearances on Fox News.
• 2:39:36
  SPEAKER_33: York will give us an update on the race to control the U.S.
• 2:39:39
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• 2:39:44
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• 2:40:07
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• 2:40:11
  SPEAKER_10: Property taxes are nothing more than a variation of the unrealized capital gains taxes.
• 2:40:18
  SPEAKER_10: You paid$130,000 for your house, but if you sold it, it would be worth$470, so they say.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_10: So we're gonna tax you for the$470,000.
• 2:40:30
  SPEAKER_10: If you bought stocks for$100,000 and they went up to$400,000, we would like to tax that$300,000 gain.
• 2:40:42
  SPEAKER_10: It's the same sentiment.
• 2:40:45
  SPEAKER_28: Can I tell you what I hate about all of this is that I I I know that there are equations involved, but at some point stuff was just made up.
• 2:40:55
  SPEAKER_28: Like at some point, the decisions were made in terms of what gets charged at what rate, and m most of the time it just ends up being completely arbitrary.
• 2:41:06
  SPEAKER_28: The car tab fees is probably the best example, better than the uh the property uh tax uh argument.
• 2:41:13
  SPEAKER_28: And I have another uh blast that I want to share with you here in just a moment.
• 2:41:16
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you for those that have uh left those at 651-964-0294.
• 2:41:21
  SPEAKER_28: But there is no good reason other than the fact that the state just wants more of your money.
• 2:41:27
  SPEAKER_28: It also helps them to perpetuate this idea of wealth, uh wealth envy.
• 2:41:32
  SPEAKER_28: If you have a more expensive car, you got to pay more.
• 2:41:35
  SPEAKER_28: And so I think it's part of the reason why the DFL ends up getting away with this because of that ridiculous mental, you know, the mental gymnastics that they do to go and vilify and demonize those who have worked hard and ended up accumulating a certain level of wealth, and especially those that are able to go and create corporations and businesses and employ a whole bunch of people and provide them health care, but they're not paying their fair share.
• 2:42:01
  SPEAKER_28: So much of it is just arbitrary, meaning it's unnecessary.
• 2:42:04
  SPEAKER_07: Just to clarify on the taxation, property tax, um, just uh FYI on that.
• 2:42:11
  SPEAKER_07: You're taxed at your market value, not necessarily how much it costs you to build.
• 2:42:16
  SPEAKER_07: If he was able to get that house built for$150,000, that's great.
• 2:42:26
  SPEAKER_07: That is absolutely trash.
• 2:42:28
  SPEAKER_07: It's like being taxed on unrealized games.
• 2:42:32
  SPEAKER_07: But the other question is how much of that cash money is going to the next control meeting.
• 2:42:37
  SPEAKER_07: The city of my family is probably not even getting the vast majority of that money that he's paying on the property taxes.
• 2:42:44
  SPEAKER_07: So we're definitely getting trash here, and uh, we do need change.
• 2:42:49
  SPEAKER_07: Hopefully, this story will make that some of that change happen, but it is slightly few.
• 2:42:56
  SPEAKER_09: Hey, um here Rose Not again.
• 2:42:59
  SPEAKER_09: This whole thing about taxing property and all this.
• 2:43:03
  SPEAKER_09: How can the state decide to tax me on something that I've already paid a tax on when I bought it?
• 2:43:09
  SPEAKER_09: Such as car tabs, maybe even a TV set.
• 2:43:13
  SPEAKER_09: Now my house, I'm gonna pay taxes on that in perpetuity.
• 2:43:17
  SPEAKER_09: If I own my house outright, I should not be paying taxes on it.
• 2:43:22
  SPEAKER_09: I own it, it's mine.
• 2:43:24
  SPEAKER_28: So getting back to your original question, how is it the state can decide to tax me on something?
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_28: It's because the state just decides to tax you on something.
• 2:43:33
  SPEAKER_28: This goes back to my previous uh arbitrary argument a moment ago.
• 2:43:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um on the car tab thing, they also changed the depreciation schedule on your vehicle.
• 2:43:48
  SPEAKER_03: And it's totally unrealistic.
• 2:43:53
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you uh for that uh comment.
• 2:43:55
  SPEAKER_28: We got a uh text that rolled in.
• 2:43:57
  SPEAKER_28: For stocks, uh, they can't attach you on the increases until you realize the gain, i.e., sell the uh stock.
• 2:44:06
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you.
• 2:44:06
  SPEAKER_28: Uh thank you for that.
• 2:44:07
  SPEAKER_28: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 2:44:12
  SPEAKER_28: So before I get to Charlie Kirk, let me go here.
• 2:44:15
  SPEAKER_28: Since we're talking money, taxes, I've been holding on to this one for a little while and was uh meaning to attach it to the Amy Klobichar story earlier about her still being silent on the opt-in tax credit, which could benefit all students here in Minnesota.
• 2:44:32
  SPEAKER_28: Daily Wire has this piece.
• 2:44:34
  SPEAKER_28: Students go back to school.
• 2:44:35
  SPEAKER_28: It's pretty eye-opening.
• 2:44:37
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, the real reason your teachers are begging for school supplies.
• 2:44:41
  SPEAKER_28: We had policy fellow Josiah Padley on the show uh a couple of weeks ago talking about this uh this issue.
• 2:44:47
  SPEAKER_28: And that was focused on, and that piece is available on the education portion at americanexperiment.org.
• 2:44:52
  SPEAKER_28: Um, but that was based off of the various uh incentives that you have that parents can go and take advantage of to benefit their students.
• 2:45:02
  SPEAKER_28: There's a lot of programs out there that can actually go and help with things like school supplies and uh other school-related items that could end up going and saving you money.
• 2:45:09
  SPEAKER_28: But I've always questioned, and it always drove me nuts how, when I talked about this a bit with Josiah, uh, how annoying it is uh that we as parents would have to go and purchase an abundant abundance of school supplies for the teachers.
• 2:45:24
  SPEAKER_28: I have no problem, by the way, purchasing students for my own kids for our boys, uh purchasing uh supplies, not students.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_28: That's funny.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_28: Purchasing supplies, not students.
• 2:45:34
  SPEAKER_28: Purchasing students is a whole other thing I'm not going to get into, and it's horrible.
• 2:45:38
  SPEAKER_28: I have no problem paying for my own kids' supplies, although I think there's an argument to be made that my tax dollars should pretty much cover the papers, pencils, pens that they need.
• 2:45:48
  SPEAKER_28: We're beyond that now.
• 2:45:49
  SPEAKER_28: I know we have iPads and computers and whatnot.
• 2:45:51
  SPEAKER_28: But it's the above and beyond where we're supposed to buy community items for everybody.
• 2:45:56
  SPEAKER_28: It just I doesn't it doesn't compute.
• 2:45:59
  SPEAKER_28: And then I see a story like this, and it even uh makes it more difficult to make sense of all of it.
• 2:46:04
  SPEAKER_28: Nearly every public school teacher in America spends her own money to outfit her classroom in preparation for a new academic year.
• 2:46:12
  SPEAKER_28: According to a 2021 data from the National Center for Education Statistics, 94.8% of public K through 12 teachers dip into their own pockets to buy school supplies.
• 2:46:24
  SPEAKER_28: Each one who does so spends an average of 579 in today's dollars.
• 2:46:31
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 2:46:33
  SPEAKER_28: They shouldn't have to do that.
• 2:46:34
  SPEAKER_28: I just let me just say that up front.
• 2:46:36
  SPEAKER_28: Okay.
• 2:46:36
  SPEAKER_28: I can understand a teacher buying items for her classroom that wouldn't be on the standard sort of recommended items or things that the school supplies, but to have to spend almost$600, I the district should be shouldering this.
• 2:46:50
  SPEAKER_28: The taxpayer money that's already given.
• 2:46:52
  SPEAKER_28: We're told about education funding, it's used as a political tool during election cycles year in and year out, but schools are never fully funded.
• 2:47:00
  SPEAKER_28: And this is a further example of that.
• 2:47:02
  SPEAKER_28: It's never ending.
• 2:47:06
  SPEAKER_28: Some districts provide teachers with a modest stipend for classroom supplies, but the average American classroom is outfitted by the generosity of parents and teachers.
• 2:47:13
  SPEAKER_28: A quick math lesson reveals that school supply scramble is not a matter of insufficient funding.
• 2:47:19
  SPEAKER_28: On average, American school districts spend sixteen thousand two hundred and eighty dollars to educate one student for one year, not counting the cost to build or maintain the school building.
• 2:47:37
  SPEAKER_28: I guess for those parents that are out there.
• 2:47:41
  SPEAKER_28: You listening to the show, I mean, do you feel like your district is giving you a sixteen hundred, uh basically uh, you know, a sixteen hundred dollar a year educate quality education for your kid?
• 2:47:54
  SPEAKER_28: The average classroom, according to the most recent data, has about 20 students.
• 2:47:59
  SPEAKER_28: So that means that$325,600 flows toward that classroom each year.
• 2:48:05
  SPEAKER_28: If none of that is making it to glue sticks and construction paper, then where is it all going?
• 2:48:13
  SPEAKER_28: Some of the money goes towards teachers' pay.
• 2:48:16
  SPEAKER_28: The average teacher earns about$66,397 per year, not including benefits like health insurance and retirement contributions.
• 2:48:24
  SPEAKER_28: While a teacher is the most important instructional investment, teachers also need textbooks, curricula, and more, which all fall under the banner of instructional costs.
• 2:48:36
  SPEAKER_28: Public schools spend about$9,885 per student per year on these expenditures, or$197,700 for a class of 20.
• 2:48:50
  SPEAKER_28: Now the teachers are hired, the school is open, and our average classroom still has$127,900 left over as we work on the math, right?
• 2:49:04
  SPEAKER_28: Now we're going to need a cafeteria, which the N CES accounts for in its data.
• 2:49:11
  SPEAKER_28: An average of$517 per student per year in other category, doing that thing with my fingers, mainly comprised of food service for an average classroom that amounts to about$10,000 annually, unless you're here in Minnesota and you have the free student meals for uh for all.
• 2:49:33
  SPEAKER_28: So far, the classroom is cost effective, but that all disappears.
• 2:49:38
  SPEAKER_28: Why?
• 2:49:39
  SPEAKER_28: Because when you add in support services doing that thing with my fingers, which comes out to about$117,560 for our classroom of 20 students, some non-teaching employees, such as school nurses, librarians, bus drivers, are essential.
• 2:49:55
  SPEAKER_28: Others, like administrators with nebulous job titles and even more nebulous responsibilities, are not.
• 2:50:03
  SPEAKER_28: And that is exactly where costs have exploded in recent years.
• 2:50:07
  SPEAKER_28: I've always wondered I've always wondered, like a school superintendent.
• 2:50:14
  SPEAKER_28: I'm sure, and again, and again, this is not a criticism, this is just a just a thought.
• 2:50:18
  SPEAKER_28: But I've always wondered, like, like what is what does a school superintendent do?
• 2:50:22
  SPEAKER_28: Like I know you're like the CEO of the school, but like what work is entailed every single, every single day?
• 2:50:29
  SPEAKER_28: Like they're typically paid for the responsibility.
• 2:50:31
  SPEAKER_28: You have to shoulder the burden and the weight of how that school performs.
• 2:50:34
  SPEAKER_28: They need a figurehead.
• 2:50:36
  SPEAKER_28: But I just out of pure curiosity, like what is the day in and day out operations of a school superintendent actually entail in terms of real tangible work beyond being a figurehead.
• 2:50:50
  SPEAKER_28: And again, not a criticism, it's just something that I thought about.
• 2:50:53
  SPEAKER_28: This isn't even getting into what the article is talking about when it comes to the administrators with nebulous job titles, even more nebulous responsibilities.
• 2:51:02
  SPEAKER_28: You know, no, again, I say you start with the superintendent and then work your way down from there.
• 2:51:07
  SPEAKER_25: Hey, good morning, John.
• 2:51:08
  SPEAKER_25: Happy uh Tuesday.
• 2:51:10
  SPEAKER_25: So I don't think teachers should have to pay for necessary classroom items.
• 2:51:17
  SPEAKER_25: But I better never hear that we're paying for the pride flags and the BLM, you know, banners and this other social justice garbage that we know they're forcing on our kids.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_25: You want to buy American flags?
• 2:51:29
  SPEAKER_25: I'm for that.
• 2:51:29
  SPEAKER_25: Go ahead.
• 2:51:30
  SPEAKER_25: That's we're in America.
• 2:51:32
  SPEAKER_28: I'm great to oh, it's a racket.
• 2:51:35
  SPEAKER_28: There are companies that make all of that propaganda material for the leftist teachers out there that are making money hand over fist to selling those items.
• 2:51:45
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, John, as you were going through the numbers about the cost of educating people, I couldn't think help but think of that for uh, you know, the director of finance for the St.
• 2:51:56
  SPEAKER_06: Paul Park Department or wherever she was.
• 2:51:59
  SPEAKER_06: She you would need a fourth hour if you had her reciting that.
• 2:52:05
  SPEAKER_28: That's right.
• 2:52:06
  SPEAKER_28: I had a lot of big numbers in that article, and I'm happy to say that I got through them all.
• 2:52:10
  SPEAKER_28: I didn't have to ask Devin for help or for anything.
• 2:52:13
  SPEAKER_28: For those that missed it on the Freedom Friday show last week, there was a park board member.
• 2:52:17
  SPEAKER_28: They're going through budgetary items.
• 2:52:19
  SPEAKER_28: She got to numbers that included, you know, six figures, less than six figures, and she had to have assistance in reading the numbers because she couldn't she couldn't read them.
• 2:52:31
  SPEAKER_28: I it was some of the most insane audio that I've heard and played on the show in a long time.
• 2:52:37
  SPEAKER_28: I had a text that came in.
• 2:52:38
  SPEAKER_28: I don't feel bad for the teachers.
• 2:52:40
  SPEAKER_28: That's all on them.
• 2:52:41
  SPEAKER_28: They're the ones that have voted for all this nonsense in education.
• 2:52:44
  SPEAKER_28: So let them carry their kumbaya stickers and donate out of their own pocket or maybe just someday get smart and vote for people who actually care about the kids.
• 2:52:56
  SPEAKER_28: So there you go.
• 2:52:58
  SPEAKER_28: So why is it that we were cost effective when it came to breaking down the numbers in a fictitious school with a classroom of 20 students, and yet when you get to support services, suddenly it vanishes.
• 2:53:12
  SPEAKER_28: This is why.
• 2:53:13
  SPEAKER_28: Between 2000 and 2019, the number of district administrators across the country grew by 87.6%.
• 2:53:24
  SPEAKER_28: Well, the student population only grew by 7.6%.
• 2:53:30
  SPEAKER_28: It's almost like there's a grift going on.
• 2:53:33
  SPEAKER_28: The trend is not new.
• 2:53:34
  SPEAKER_28: Between 1950 and 2009, the population of K-12 students nearly doubled, but administrator jobs grew by more than 700%.
• 2:53:43
  SPEAKER_28: Administrators have proliferated even in districts where student enrollment has declined.
• 2:53:51
  SPEAKER_28: Los Angeles Unified School District.
• 2:53:53
  SPEAKER_28: They increased their spending on administrative positions by$315 million over 10 years, even as enrollment dropped by more than a third.
• 2:54:01
  SPEAKER_28: Some administrative positions might not be necessary at all.
• 2:54:05
  SPEAKER_28: And this is relevant if you don't have kids.
• 2:54:06
  SPEAKER_28: This is depending on what state you're in, this is your uh these are these are your taxpayer dollars that are going to pay for all of this.
• 2:54:17
  SPEAKER_28: So the administrative positions that may not be necessary at all in Louisville, Kentucky, Jefferson County Public Schools, they pay a dozen equity administrators more than$100,000 per year.
• 2:54:29
  SPEAKER_28: By the way, those positions are there, obviously a benefit to the individuals, but it's also there just to perpetuate the narratives.
• 2:54:37
  SPEAKER_28: If you have a bunch of people employed as equity administrators, it makes it a lot easier to go and argue along the lines of equity.
• 2:54:45
  SPEAKER_28: Milwaukee Public Schools employs four administrators who work on such things as gender identity and inclusion and restorative practices.
• 2:54:53
  SPEAKER_28: See the previous commentary that I just gave regarding equity, because it applies here.
• 2:55:00
  SPEAKER_28: Also included in support services are teacher professional development sessions, which cost an estimated$18 billion a year.
• 2:55:11
  SPEAKER_28: A report by the uh TNTP found that most teachers do not appear to improve substantially from year to year.
• 2:55:22
  SPEAKER_28: School districts could better support their teachers by supplying them with practical needs, not wasting their time and taxpayers' money on professional development that does not develop them as professionals.
• 2:55:35
  SPEAKER_28: While schools spend major money on support services, teachers struggle to afford the basics that help them manage their classrooms.
• 2:55:43
  SPEAKER_28: Every plea for extra Kleenex is an indictment of a system that prioritizes adults' wants over student needs.
• 2:55:51
  SPEAKER_28: A teacher does not have to become more effective by adding yet another administrator or pushing her into yet another training.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_28: But a teacher could run a classroom more smoothly if the material needs of that classroom were covered.
• 2:56:06
  SPEAKER_28: School districts should put students first and show some much needed appreciation for their teachers by prioritizing the basic items that make classrooms run.
• 2:56:16
  SPEAKER_28: Listen, you have fraud at the national level, you have fraud at the local level, mostly tied to taxpayer dollars that are redistributed to social welfare programs.
• 2:56:29
  SPEAKER_28: Listen, public education, school funding is just as susceptible and legally justified in the way that it spends your dollars.
• 2:56:41
  SPEAKER_28: It reminds me a lot of like voter vouching ballot harvesting.
• 2:56:46
  SPEAKER_28: Just because it's legal, it doesn't make it right.
• 2:56:50
  SPEAKER_28: And the same thing rings true here.
• 2:56:52
  SPEAKER_28: The education system has become a racket.
• 2:56:56
  SPEAKER_28: And a lot of people getting paid, a lot of money getting shuffled around.
• 2:57:01
  SPEAKER_28: You know, and how many of those equity instructors, like we mentioned in the uh in the story, where was this?
• 2:57:06
  SPEAKER_28: Jefferson County, uh the a dozen equity administrators, more than$1,000 per year.
• 2:57:11
  SPEAKER_28: Wouldn't it be rather fascinating if we were able to see an investigation into those 100 equity administrators and were able to track the money that they were receiving and where it's going?
• 2:57:27
  SPEAKER_28: I would imagine that if that were to take place, you would probably you would probably end up finding out some really interesting places that money is being deposited, maybe even to campaign coffers.
• 2:57:43
  SPEAKER_28: Maybe even to candidates that are running for office.
• 2:57:47
  SPEAKER_28: I would venture a guess if there were investigations done of those employees that are receiving that money.
• 2:57:52
  SPEAKER_28: Because it kind of goes back to what I mentioned before, and that is what exactly are they doing?
• 2:57:57
  SPEAKER_28: What's an equity officer doing, and why do they need 100 of them?
• 2:58:03
  SPEAKER_28: You know, thankfully the Trump administration is investigating fraud across all levels, and it needs to continue.
• 2:58:10
  SPEAKER_28: I mean, I didn't even get to, I mean, this is just talking about where your money is going, not even getting into the education aspect of it and the lack of a quality education of it.
• 2:58:20
  SPEAKER_28: I've been sitting on this story here.
• 2:58:22
  SPEAKER_28: I'll just share it with you briefly.
• 2:58:23
  SPEAKER_28: And we're talking, this was obviously grade school, but we can talk about this at the university level as well, because the same ideology that's infected our universities for decades has now also infected our public education system.
• 2:58:36
  SPEAKER_28: Metro State University's glossary of DEI terms defines racism through a framework where white people hold advantages and people of color experience disadvantages.
• 2:58:49
  SPEAKER_28: So this is where the money is going.
• 2:58:54
  SPEAKER_28: This is where the education, the dollars are going.
• 2:58:56
  SPEAKER_28: This is the education that students are receiving within the university level.
• 2:59:04
  SPEAKER_28: It includes definitions for various forms of racism, such as cultural, structural, and institutional racism, and terms like white privilege and white fragility, uh fragility.
• 2:59:14
  SPEAKER_28: The glossary aims to encourage learning and conversation about equity, inclusion, and anti-racism, emphasizing that it is a voluntary reference tool and not intended to prescribe beliefs.
• 2:59:30
  SPEAKER_28: It is intended to do that, though.
• 2:59:34
  SPEAKER_28: And this is this is directly from the communist playbook, by the way.
• 2:59:39
  SPEAKER_28: I can actually go and attach something else to this before we close the show out today.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_28: You know, the left gets to go and grab, and they try to go and grab all the good words.
• 2:59:49
  SPEAKER_28: They talk about what they're doing in their indoctrination at the university uh level.
• 2:59:55
  SPEAKER_28: This is where your scholarship money is going to.
• 2:59:58
  SPEAKER_28: This is where your money is being spent for your kid to go to school.
• 3:00:02
  SPEAKER_28: This is the kind of education that they're getting.
• 3:00:04
  SPEAKER_28: But they attach words like freedom, anti-fascist, liberation, anti-racist.
• 3:00:12
  SPEAKER_28: They grab all the good words for themselves and apply it to what they're doing.
• 3:00:19
  SPEAKER_28: You know, Democrat socialists is all a scam.
• 3:00:22
  SPEAKER_28: It's communism, while using the bad words to describe their political rivals.
• 3:00:27
  SPEAKER_28: Walls is an absolute master of this.
• 3:00:29
  SPEAKER_28: And when you have the Metro State glossary, the Metro State glossary, this is what the tuition is going for, defining structural racism as a system of white domination.
• 3:00:39
  SPEAKER_28: It is absolutely to perpetuate a mentality.
• 3:00:42
  SPEAKER_28: It is absolutely to indoctrinate the students, all for the sake of growing their ranks when it comes time to go and vote.
• 3:00:53
  SPEAKER_28: And for a party that loves to go and change the definitions and labels on so many things, they certainly do get into a tizzy when Trump goes and renames geographic locations.
• 3:01:07
  SPEAKER_28: I played this clip earlier, but I'll apply it here as we get ready to close the show out.
• 3:01:12
  SPEAKER_28: This is uh Portland, Oregon law enforcement describing a recent incident, and the individuals are no longer shooters, they are trigger pullers.
• 3:01:25
  SPEAKER_40: Listen to the work with business owners, increasing patrols, uh bike patrols, uh working with our community response group uh and our gun violence reduction unit as well.
• 3:01:34
  SPEAKER_40: Um, looking at ways to where we can identify individuals that are known.
• 3:01:38
  SPEAKER_40: Uh we call them trigger pullers uh in our community, identifying them, making sure that we put in uh case.
• 3:01:43
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah, they're not shooters anymore, guys, they're trigger pullers.
• 3:01:48
  SPEAKER_28: They just, you know, they pull the trigger.
• 3:01:51
  SPEAKER_28: We wouldn't have this problem if the triggers won't weren't so easy to pull.
• 3:01:55
  SPEAKER_28: They should make those triggers harder to pull.
• 3:01:58
  SPEAKER_28: Then the trigger pullers would have more difficulty in pulling the triggers.
• 3:02:04
  SPEAKER_28: The wonderful thing about triggers is triggers are wonderful things.
• 3:02:08
  SPEAKER_28: They're sorry.
• 3:02:09
  SPEAKER_28: That's Tiggers.
• 3:02:10
  SPEAKER_28: My bad.
• 3:02:12
  SPEAKER_28: All right.
• 3:02:13
  SPEAKER_28: We'll talk about this at length on tomorrow's show.
• 3:02:16
  SPEAKER_28: Georgetown University students are allegedly planning a Charlie Kirk Doing That Thing with My Fingers look-alike contest on the anniversary of his assassination, sparking controversy, as it should.
• 3:02:27
  SPEAKER_28: The event promoted on the uh anonymous social media platform Fizz.
• 3:02:32
  SPEAKER_28: Never heard of that until this uh article.
• 3:02:34
  SPEAKER_28: They received over 2,200 upvotes, drawing condemnation from the university's turning point USA chapter.
• 3:02:40
  SPEAKER_28: The university has stated that it's not planning the event that it's not planning the event and condemns the language used in the posts.
• 3:02:48
  SPEAKER_28: Just prepare yourself.
• 3:02:49
  SPEAKER_28: If you're online in the in the wake of the one-year anniversary Thursday of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, because Charlie was effective and therefore he had to be silenced.
• 3:03:00
  SPEAKER_28: That's what happened.
• 3:03:02
  SPEAKER_28: An individual who was going to these far leftist universities, as we were just demonstrating, and doing what?
• 3:03:09
  SPEAKER_28: Setting up a tent, sitting in a chair, inviting people to come and talk to him.
• 3:03:16
  SPEAKER_28: He wasn't shoving a phone in their face like an influencer at the Minnesota State Fair.
• 3:03:21
  SPEAKER_28: It wasn't getting up in people's faces.
• 3:03:23
  SPEAKER_28: He was inviting individuals to come and speak to him and offering an educated alternative to the lack of education that they're receiving at the university level.
• 3:03:33
  SPEAKER_28: And the leftist killed him for it.
• 3:03:36
  SPEAKER_28: And now they're gonna spend time this week posting videos celebrating the one-year anniversary of it.
• 3:03:42
  SPEAKER_28: Stand up, push back against it, because they will discredit and if possible, destroy any opposition to them that they see.
• 3:03:56
  SPEAKER_28: And that can happen to you, it can happen to me as well.
• 3:03:59
  SPEAKER_28: We'll talk more about this on tomorrow's show.
• 3:04:02
  SPEAKER_28: Thank you so much for spending time with us today.
• 3:04:04
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• 3:04:11
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• 3:04:20
  SPEAKER_28: Uh within a little bit of time after the show is over.
• 3:04:22
  SPEAKER_28: Uh Devin, producer Devin, will post those up.
• 3:04:24
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• 3:04:34
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• 3:04:44
  SPEAKER_28: And you can email John.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 3:04:48
  SPEAKER_28: I hope you have a fantastic rest of your Tuesday.
• 3:04:51
  SPEAKER_28: God bless to you, and I look forward to talking to you guys again tomorrow morning at six AM.
• 3:04:56
  SPEAKER_28: Have a great one.
• 3:04:56
  SPEAKER_28: Bye.