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A New Era · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast with Brian Segal.
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  I'm Curtis Wilson. Tiga, we are back from a little
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  Hiatus, man. How you doing little vacation?
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  I'm well-rested, man. I'm well rested.
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  I'm doing a week down in the mountains in North Carolina.
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  Hit the lake. Hit up a bit a little detour up
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  to Dollywood One Day. Road, some coasters, had a good
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  time. How was your time back home,
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  buddy back home was a lot of fun for a few days and that with the
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  family, when we do the pool one day, my nephew is a Hibachi
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  master, so had some Hibachi one night, had a greater, it was
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  really a great time. You know, few days, back home
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  and kids were good. Overall, they each got to stay
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  up like past 11:00 consecutive nights for the oldest one.
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  That's not a problem for the little one who wakes up at 5
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  a.m. every morning. That's problematic.
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  Oh problematic, I've got back home a couple times.
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  It's been a lot of a lot of fun. Middle summer, man.
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  And there we go, like, we've missed a lot.
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  We gotta, we gotta, we gotta Load it up and sewed here guys.
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  We got a little bit of everything.
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  We got some recruiting, we're going to touch on some
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  interviews that we had and then we're going to hit on some of
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  the two bigger topics that have really come across the aisle
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  here in the summer, which is the proposed 12 team playoff
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  expansion and the name image and likeness.
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  So that's into the new era of college football here.
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  Yeah, a big New Era of college football.
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  Because it's changing what we grew up with 25 years ago is no
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  longer the case and a lot of things we want to talk about
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  tonight, but since we've been gone, guys, obviously some
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  big-time things have happened. Let's start first with Ramon.
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  Brown committing to the Hokies, the 511, 200 pound running back
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  at a Manchester here in the RV. A big-time get 4 star, a top-25
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  running back. A top 24/7 player.
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  Yeah, what are we seeing from Ramon?
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  Rhyme either. The big thing is going to be
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  great like perception-wise. Let's talk about that first
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  because getting a high-caliber skill position player from the
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  state of Virginia. That's something that we haven't
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  really been able to pull in the last couple Cycles.
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  So it's nice to see us, get back on that wagon when he committed,
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  that was a big deal, that really kind of, move the needle in
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  terms, Terms of, in terms of perception.
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  Now that we're not saying that okay.
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  Well, all of a sudden, all is well, but you start grabbing
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  guys like that consistently, that starts to change the
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  narrative a little bit and it shows that, you know, some of
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  the new guys on the staff that have been brought into
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  specifically recruit starting to pay some dividends.
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  It also shows that little more investment is starting to pay
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  off as well. So you know kudos to the guys
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  that were able to you know, work the recruitment.
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  For Ramon there and I really like what he brings to the table
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  skill set was. I think he's going to be a good
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  asset. Should be a guy that's going to
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  see some rotational care. He's probably in his second year
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  on campus. If not his first year.
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  So, looking forward to see what he does for us.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Shoutout to Smitty, and lectin
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  Berg, who were his primary and a secondary recruiter.
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  You mentioned earlier, Bonnie saw a lot of her.
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  We're in this guy. I think you kind of look at this
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  bill that makes sense. Also ran a 45 40 back at the
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  opening back in, 2019 in back that verified at about 185
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  pounds at 5 foot 10. So you kind of look at his
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  height weight speed, it checks out.
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  So I mean, they got him listed 2020, he's probably 195, which I
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  mean that's that's about what you want for that caliber of
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  player. Especially that hasn't gotten
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  too. To a Collegiate weight program
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  and nutrition program yet. So probably going to easily add
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  another five to eight pounds to that frame once he gets going
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  there and what I make the Herbert comparison, I'm more
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  thinking of the size and kind of the skillset not necessarily
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  what what I project him to be in terms of output.
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  But I mean, Herbert Next Level this last year for.
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  So it's really I mean that that's a big, that's a big barn
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  for someone to have to jump over I'm not putting that on him, but
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  I think just in terms of what I've seen on film and just the
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  athleticism and the size, that's a probably pretty good cop.
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  Absolutely. All right.
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  Where the boundary Corner podcast?
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  We don't everything is not sunshine and Roses we call it
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  like it is. Dave, before or six days later,
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  Bryson Jennings. Son of former Tech really good
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  tight end back in the day. All Biggie's, Brian Jennings was
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  down to us and Carolina, he picked Carolina which, you know,
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  of course, it stings. He's a legacy, he's choosing to
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  go elsewhere. And it's also one of those
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  things to Caroline has now got like 17 Edge players.
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  Well, I mean, we talked about the type of defense that they
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  run. They need to, they need to load
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  up on edge. But also this stings for several
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  reasons it stings. Because as we'll talk about a
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  little bit, we are getting thinner on the defensive line,
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  especially the defensive end position getting another Edge
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  guy in. Building would have been huge
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  going into next season. You talk about a legacy to, I
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  mean, I know I know North Carolina is on the come up
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  everybody. Everybody has them on the come
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  up but at the same time you got you got to lean the legacies.
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  You got to figure out a way especially guys in your backyard
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  ranked. Well in the state you got to
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  close those out because right now, UNC is doing a fairly good
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  job of putting up a gate on their state and we need to stop
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  letting some of these guys get away.
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  Especially guys that we have Some inroads in already.
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  It's true man. And you don't know everything
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  that behind the story. But again, it's the visual
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  Optics. Now, for me, it's one of those
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  you losing it sucks. We need Edge.
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  Obviously, we're going to talk about a few things later, and
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  you say, you'll and Ramon, and it's like, and you'll, and
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  Pernell. And for me, Brian, it's like
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  that. But if I said here and told you
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  a month ago, Do her nails going to go somewhere else, for we're
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  going to get Ramona Jennings or remold going to go somewhere
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  else. We're going to get Fern, Ellen,
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  Jennings. I feel like the combo.
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  We got the two of the three. We got is the better.
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  Of the two of the three, not knocking, pricing Jennings.
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  He 66 235 off edge. It's like that.
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  But how and springs is the best program in the state.
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  Ramon Jennings has one of the highest rated players nationally
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  in the state. What am I am?
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  I trying to poke colored glasses.
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  Remember in colored glasses here?
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  Or is it? I don't think so because I think
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  if you look at I think if you told me three weeks ago, if we
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  were going to lay in two of those three, I'd have been
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  probably okay with it. Yeah, I think kind of some of
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  the Goodwill that happened from June rolling into July and once
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  you get a taste of the goodness, you kind of start to expect it
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  again. And, you know, we're not going
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  to win all these battles, especially when we go against a
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  rising team like UNC or the blue or blue blood.
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  G at the same time like like I was saying before though you
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  can't have things that are already in your favor and then
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  you kind of squander those things I think I think if it
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  wasn't the Legacy Factor if it wasn't the in-state factor I
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  would have less of a problem with that Miss but it's still
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  troubles me a little bit. So got a message here, our
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  buddy, Robbie Mac Browns are recruiting Master be quiet
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  Robbie but all is not lost. All is not lost the next day.
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  One of the highest Landing recruits.
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  This staff has ever. Got Gunner, Givens, the six foot
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  five. I'm calling him an athlete
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  270-pound Prospect right there. Next tour.
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  Lord, bottom tight four-star, top 125 player in the country.
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  Top-five player in the state. Brian, you've talked about it
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  before we have not got two top 10 guys in the state in over a
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  decade whereby months from signing day, but we've got to
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  Locked In. What do you think about Gunnar
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  overall? Gutters a good, grab for several
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  reasons. You know, when we talk about
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  removing brown in the perception, Landing a guy like
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  this in your backyard and with with where he was position in
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  terms of the rankings and everything that that says a lot.
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  It says that we got on him early, we stayed on him.
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  It says that we sold Virginia Tech in the way that we need
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  needed to for this type of player.
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  And what I like about Gunnar is that he does give you some
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  flexibility about where you're going to where you going to put
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  him because I think he has the potential to be a high-quality
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  interior offensive lineman guard, maybe even a swing tackle
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  if if necessary. But I prefer him at guard but he
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  also has a potential and I think where he's going to end.
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  End up for a lot of reasons is going to be on the defensive
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  line. He's kind of that tweener.
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  Three technique big defensive end I think with his size and
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  his athleticism at that size I think he can kind of hang out
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  there and defensive end. Be a good run stuffer but also
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  have enough speed to get on there.
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  Get around the edge so I see him Landing a defensive in.
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  But either way it's going to it's a it's a pretty big get for
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  the program and definitely kind of stamps a month that That
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  really turned out pretty well overall for the Hokies
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  absolutely big month on the recruiting Trail and, you know,
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  currently the Hokey sit, you know, 15th in the country and
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  the composite there in the ACC closing in on the 87.
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  And for you guys, you know who follow the closely that 87
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  numbers kind of a number, you know, if we're right near there,
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  we're going to be in the top 25 where we were consistently for
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  quite a few years. So, Let's hope that holds now
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  again, like I said, I ain't all sunshine and Roses man but the
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  transfer portal of Robert Wooten and Alec Bryant Brian.
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  I'm going to I'm going to read the out front.
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  I want you to read the wood and we're going to follow up so
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  Bryant. This was back on the 12th, you
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  know. Basically I want to thank BT for
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  everything with the heavy part. I've decided to enter the
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  transfer portal and move on to a different path to says.
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  Nothing to do with my coaches or the program but this is the best
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  thing for me to do for me in my future go.
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  God bless But you read the movie quote.
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  Yep. Very similarly.
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  At least in the start there. I want to thank VT with the
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  heavy heart. I've entered my name into the
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  transfer portal, says nothing to do with the coaches and the
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  program, this is where I want it to be.
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  This is because of an issue that was out of their hands and mine.
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  I accept responsibility and we'll move on to a different
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  path. I look forward to see what my
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  future holds, and we're going to be talking about the 20
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  interview, text outline a little while.
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  But when they got into It basically, there are two guys
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  who are a transfer portal, who basically had to leave with, you
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  know, University issues. Yep.
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  The stories that we're hearing. It's a shame to me to think that
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  if these two guys for what we're hearing, got suspended for the
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  honor board in the judicial boards at Virginia Tech, might
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  need to take a look at it because to me it sounds like an
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  archaic practice. At some point.
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  Just you know, if if everything we know to be correct is
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  correct. This is kind of.
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  This is a petty way to throw a year suspension on two kids.
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  Regardless of whether their athletes are not, you know, the
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  fact that they're athletes, you know, definitely hurts us from a
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  fan perspective, hurts the team from because they're not there
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  with the team. But, I mean I'd be calling
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  bullshit on this. If this was just My buddy that,
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  you know, drinks beer, every Saturday.
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  I mean, this is, yeah, it's a messed-up scenario for something
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  like that to cause that much turmoil for, you know, I think
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  at this point what 19 year old kids, I mean, it's a little
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  ridiculous, but and it sucks because also we're talking about
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  another when I am talking about the roller coaster ride.
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  I mean, this, this isn't necessarily on the staff, but
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  this is still another, you know, downward trajectory They have to
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  now navigate the other because it affects the depth and it
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  affects perception and it affects the, you know, Texas 2vt
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  movement for whatever you want to call it.
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  You know, at this point it affects the perception of all of
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  that. So I mean it's not a good look
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  even though it has nothing nesters do with controllable
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  aspects, that the staff or the athletic department could have
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  really controlled here. Absolutely.
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  And then later on, we're going to add a couple things about the
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  defensive end position now because obviously Robert will be
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  played in every game last year. Alec, Brian played, I think in
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  five they were contributors and it hurts that up significantly.
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  And a few weeks ago we talked with Mike McDaniel defensive
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  line was looking like a place of a lot of potential because we
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  had depth now it's still some potential there but the depth is
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  less. So you know again the whole
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  situation it's you know, they both kind of said, you know, I
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  accept the responsibility and everything but it's just what
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  we're reading If This Were to go back in A to say this, if we
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  were in college and that happened to me, oh I'd raise
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  holy hell, let's just leave it at that.
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  Hi everyone. Okay, so I'm going to want to
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  let's do a scenario little role play here.
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  It's announced ACC media de Notre Dame and Virginia Tech
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  will be on acc Network. What's your first thought when
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  you heard that? A Comcast there, they're talking
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  to you that was him. I didn't think that way I was
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  like what? And then 20 minutes later I'm
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  reading, do this deal gets to go RI up for negotiation.
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  Starting in August to end in September.
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  They are leveraging because they put us basically on a SEC
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  network and they put a Clemson against BC game.
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  Which species being projected higher this year.
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  They're so for me and Brian, we have the SEC network, we're not
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  affected, but a lot of people in the state of Virginia are on
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  Comcast. So, you know, like, we're pretty
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  much. I'd say what 2/3 of the
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  Mid-Atlantic is on Comcast, and some way shape, or form.
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  So, I mean, right in the prime media coverage foot print of the
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  ACC is, you know, the probably what forty percent of the
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  households in that area at least 40% of the people that still are
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  on cable, at least. Oh, yeah, are impacted by this.
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  So, definitely, I mean my cousin that I saw them in South
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  Carolina he is on Comcast, don't Charleston so it's clearly
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  affecting, you know, the entire ACC footprint and then you know
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  they get to leverage the Notre Dame game with us and basically
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  say you don't get that that you don't get those.
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  You don't get that many people. So you're taking advantage of a
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  multiple fan bases and I know some people are saying, well,
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  it's so easy just to click on the somebody's thing and do it
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  and put the issue is It's a lot easier just to click on your TV
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  and go to the spot instead of calling Mom and say Mom I need
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  your password, don't get the game but I think that guarantees
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  that is going to be a night game.
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  Where if it was on ABC, I think that weekend I saw like I think
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  it's like am Alabama. Maybe it's like three folds,
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  right? It's three or four big games
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  that we can wear. Potentially we wouldn't get the
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  ABC Primetime. Slot.
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  We get more of a 3:30 but this locks into a prime-time game.
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  Yep. All right, so first of all, as
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  we get into the interview, with Jay, Ham on Saturday, Shout Out.
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  Billy Pat Grayson, you guys did an unbelievable job with Coach
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  coach ham, is just we've said it before.
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  He is an absolutely amazing interview, the energy.
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  He gives off the way he, you know, Orchestrates, the stories
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  are beautiful and there was a lot of good stuff in there, but
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  me and Brian are focused on the season, coming up.
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  We are, we are, we could talk a little bit about, you know, how,
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  you know, hand was about to go into the insurance business and,
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  but before Fuente send up a text message, we could go into that
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  stuff and we can go into the, you know, how pretty much he was
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  chomping at the bit to get back to Virginia.
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  Tech you're in that time at VMI. Particular, but we're going to
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  focus more on the, I guess the football aspects.
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  Some of that was kind of in the back half of the interview.
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  I don't know how far everyone got into it, but it's, it was a
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  great. What, almost two hours total
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  podcast, so definitely check that out.
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  If you haven't already, we're going to run through some of the
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  back. Half highlights here.
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  Well Curtis, I'll let you, I'll let, I'll let you lead off here
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  with with some of the things you saw.
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  Well, the first time and it caught my eye was The first
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  position. See, discussed was the
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  linebacker room. Basically, the first thing, you
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  said Dax Tisdale absolute Concepts there with these guys
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  play. A lot of other aspects of the
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  game. They play a lot of specialty and
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  they're both valuable there. They get a ton of reps.
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  So he started then discussing about the rotation of the
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  linebackers and maybe a surprise to some maybe not so much to me
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  because we don't have to have a camp.
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  He had Dean Ferguson's knee. I'm came up and it was a shock
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  to you bra mean not a big shock. I mean, he had been kind of
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  floating around from what we were hearing anyway, you know,
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  kind of hanging in there and make a little bit of noise.
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  So it was nice to see that. That's catching the coaches
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  attention there and that, you know, potentially, we could see
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  him in the rotation come the fall.
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  Because honestly, I mean, I like our Frontline guys, but I'd like
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  to see some other guys step up here, because I'm a little
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  concerned behind kind The guys that that we've seen play.
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  So it's nice to hear some of these other guys are coming
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  along as well. Yep, you know, you feel like you
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  trust that actually can trust his down but again you want to
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  see death and when you start to mention in the names that makes
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  you feel good and you mentioned the maturity of his day off his
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  tail. So that was that's big.
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  I know I know we had I think he had mentioned that previously.
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  Yeah I can't remember what where it was whether it was on
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  something that the Hokey sports did or whether it's something
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  like that, but he mentioned that and that fatherhood is really,
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  really kind of worked on Tisdale and seems like he's a lot more
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  mature and ready to kind of step up and take his game more
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  seriously and take it to the next level.
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  So I'm glad to hear that because I mean ability was never the
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  problem with his daily was just consistency.
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  So, if he can get the consistency lined up, man, he's
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  going to be a pretty good player consistency in weight.
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  Yeah, it's one of those things too.
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  Because when you hear them talking about meeting, Well if
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  Tisdale's only 210 215 heat, we are going to have to spell them.
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  Some you're going to have to pick and choose how much he
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  plays, because by all means you're playing a team that can
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  really run the ball as you get later into the game.
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  Brian you can't have him out there every possession or
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  they're just essentially, just going to wear him out and he's
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  just going to completely. They just move out of the way.
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  So that was interesting that he mentioned that room first.
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  Now the next two positions I wasn't shot.
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  He talked about safety T and quarterback competition and and
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  he started rolling off the names of safeties.
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  I mean, Devon Taylor teide Lee Jr.
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  Walker Devon Hunter and Kiante Jenkins.
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  Safety is a strength. Now they real strength with teh
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  coming in to shore up and you getting David Hunter back.
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  I mean that's that's two big ones.
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  Right out the gate. Counted Jenkins got some run
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  last year. And I'm going to I'm going to
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  take a brief moment here and this isn't necessarily football
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  but it definitely speaks to how coach am does his due diligence
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  in not only recruiting, but just trying to relate to the players
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  him talking about, you know, when he went to when he was
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  looking at Kyoto Jenkins in high school body language.
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  He didn't like initially kept his helmet on the sidelines.
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  Kept his head down between series and all this stuff, and
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  he actually talked to him, he was like, okay, well, he keeps
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  his head. But honestly he's ready to go.
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  While he helps him stay in in the mindset of the game when
• 23:52
  he's got his head down with the sidelines between series, he's
• 23:55
  running through scenarios. What he did?
• 23:57
  Well what he did bad on the previous series.
• 23:59
  What he could do to do better next time out there somebody
• 24:02
  that was that was some good insight and also speaks to you
• 24:05
  can't necessarily take your initial view on a situation and
• 24:10
  say okay well that that's what it is.
• 24:13
  He's willing to dive deeper and get an understanding of Of the
• 24:16
  players. And I think that's big and that
• 24:19
  that helps them relate to him because he knows that he's not
• 24:24
  going to just, you know, close the book on them just because we
• 24:30
  won Bad series one bad situation.
• 24:33
  So I think that's big. That was, that was a really good
• 24:37
  moment for me in the, in the interview there.
• 24:41
  Yeah, and you know Gionta last year came in got a ton of
• 24:45
  valuable experience and then you how ham thinks about that him
• 24:51
  once you in the corner back room again, competition, I look at
• 24:54
  the depth chart here and you know, the All-American freshman
• 24:57
  going strong. He complimented talking about
• 25:00
  Jermaine Waller, had a offseason to get fully healthy.
• 25:05
  Big dip, remember, 19. It was kind of a discussion,
• 25:09
  who's better? Waller or Caleb and obviously
• 25:13
  Caleb's, the bigger physical frequent, you feel like wall
• 25:15
  with physical, maybe a little more football Savvy because
• 25:18
  that's kind of been his position.
• 25:19
  His whole career. You know, talked about Brian
• 25:22
  Murray talked about, you know, Armani Chapman, talked about
• 25:28
  Nike Hawkins which is very interesting to hear because that
• 25:32
  name one mentioned last year. So again we talked about it, you
• 25:37
  know, lower sex six weeks ago. Corner.
• 25:40
  You feel good because a lot of guys have rough sand You know, I
• 25:46
  think Jermaine Waller is such a key not being leader because
• 25:51
  with Divine Diablo gone. Waller kind of gets to step into
• 25:57
  that role as the leader of DB you.
• 25:59
  Well, I will say this, too. And I mean last year, just
• 26:02
  because of injuries, opt-outs covid, the devil Hunter
• 26:09
  situation. The secondary was probably
• 26:13
  overall a weak area of defense and I feel like going into this
• 26:18
  season even with losing the caliber player of a Divine
• 26:22
  Diablo we're in a much better situation in the secondary to
• 26:28
  the point where it's probably our strongest unit on the
• 26:32
  defense going into the season. Maybe not as top end as you know
• 26:40
  with with a Mario Our know, probably a defensive end
• 26:43
  probably being the, the highest ceiling player.
• 26:46
  Yeah. But I think Waller could
• 26:48
  potentially re-establish himself as that dominant player on
• 26:52
  defense. We haven't even talked about
• 26:54
  Shamari Connor. You know just said, I mean, this
• 27:01
  is this is a stack unit but I'd only a more veteran unit than
• 27:06
  last year, but also I think top end they have more Talent this
• 27:11
  Here. Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:14
  Now the next one he addressed. It was interesting how he
• 27:18
  addressed this because this was obviously the interview after
• 27:23
  looting and Brian had left. So we're sitting here and he
• 27:27
  starts talking about how you know we do some things.
• 27:32
  Essentially saying to me off edge in our defense that we
• 27:37
  can't account for it. Can we do it every Play?
• 27:39
  No, but how he talked? About that.
• 27:42
  You can see his mind's already working on.
• 27:45
  I might be a little thinner defensive end than I was before.
• 27:49
  I've got to start making adjustment.
• 27:50
  He mentioned. He was starting to think about
• 27:52
  that while he was on vacation. And you know when you hear you
• 27:58
  know somebody say that his head's in the game it's probably
• 28:04
  never out of the game and when he's talking about, you know, we
• 28:09
  get to do what we still do, where we don't have to
• 28:11
  completely change everything because we lost a couple pieces
• 28:14
  on the beach. Yeah, I think you know the
• 28:21
  defensive adjustments going to be interesting just because you
• 28:24
  know as we've been talking about I think front line were not so
• 28:27
  bad. It's the depth you know we got
• 28:30
  probably about three or four guys we feel like we can count
• 28:33
  on. We like to rotate six.
• 28:37
  Guys at that position. Probably I don't know if we feel
• 28:41
  as good about that especially now that Wooten and Bryant have
• 28:45
  have entered the portal. Well, I think we'd was going to
• 28:48
  see some significant steps this year.
• 28:52
  He played pretty much every game last year, I think it was gonna
• 28:54
  pretty much be kind of the fourth or fifth guy in that
• 28:59
  rotation this year. So he would have seen a lot more
• 29:01
  snaps this year, so that's going to hurt.
• 29:04
  It's going to be hard to replace that, but, you know, I think
• 29:07
  he's talks about different things that he could do
• 29:10
  schematically to take some of that off.
• 29:12
  One of the things he was talking about is kind of giving.
• 29:16
  Given looks priest map and having something different that
• 29:19
  he's going to show to him post. Snap, keep the offense kind of
• 29:23
  on their heels and not knowing what to expect.
• 29:24
  But the other thing he talked about and I think was you know
• 29:29
  maybe over some some folks had some folks not so much but kind
• 29:32
  of binary defense have checks. They're essentially depending on
• 29:36
  the look of the offense there's going to be you either do this
• 29:40
  or do that. So not only simplifying you but
• 29:43
  also still giving some flexibility there.
• 29:44
  Depending on the look to kind of Of bring something different to
• 29:48
  the, to the offense, different looks each time.
• 29:50
  So they see something different. So I think that was something
• 29:53
  that he kind of talked about. That was, I think going to pay
• 29:56
  some dividends here in the fall, because I think the big thing
• 30:00
  last year was that, I think there was too much new and not
• 30:05
  enough not enough time to really absorb it and absorb it in the
• 30:10
  way that not only the be, the how he talked about the coaching
• 30:14
  staff, really not being 100% on. The same page because right in
• 30:17
  the middle of installing the defense from a coaching
• 30:20
  perspective, all of a sudden you're doing that shit remotely.
• 30:23
  Yeah. And in person yet that's huge.
• 30:27
  That's huge. You remember something in this
• 30:30
  is in a way similar to that he was discussing a lot of people
• 30:34
  said, why not, just go to Bud stuff and he made the point and
• 30:38
  he was like, You know I'm here, bud stuff.
• 30:42
  Maybe didn't know bud stuff. Tracy claeys in the bud stuff,
• 30:47
  although some people still believe Tracy, please was on an
• 30:49
  island all last year. Maybe maybe not Kim did for me,
• 30:52
  was in the locker room for the UVA game building.
• 30:57
  No blood stuff. And is he made the point Darryl,
• 31:01
  Clayton Bud system need to say, you know, poke the 13 years
• 31:06
  before but he never coasted and never had to do it in a
• 31:10
  different way. So, when he said that, Something
• 31:16
  I'm going to close with your later when he said that kind of
• 31:19
  made more sense. Something else he said was and
• 31:23
  it really called My Arrows, you talked about the layering levels
• 31:25
  of the defense and he gave, but his props saying Bud, should be
• 31:30
  the first assistant coach in the Hall of Fame.
• 31:33
  Best defensive coordinator of all time.
• 31:35
  The system was unbelievable. But he made the point and Brian
• 31:39
  me and you have been watching for a long time and it's true.
• 31:43
  Buzz defense was very high-risk high-reward.
• 31:46
  Yep. How many times did we give up?
• 31:49
  Huge, chunk plays whether in the passing game, or in the running
• 31:53
  game, because we were either plans, cover, zero g, and the
• 31:58
  line somebody that misses a gap, or they missed the press, the
• 32:02
  one that always gets me, I talked about a 30 minutes before
• 32:05
  we jumped on the night. Y'all ECU 2014, we tie the game.
• 32:11
  It all we got to do is it's like a minimum 12 left.
• 32:14
  I think. If somebody like that game, let
• 32:17
  me know it was it wasn't much time left in.
• 32:19
  The only thing I said is like, the only thing we can't do, we
• 32:22
  can't give up a huge plate. We give up a huge play.
• 32:24
  They're going to win the game. We literally were in a cover.
• 32:28
  One. Clean press we give up an
• 32:32
  over-the-top, they win. Well they're very close game.
• 32:36
  Big play. Yeah.
• 32:39
  Hey and so would you say in that picture?
• 32:42
  I think he's we're still going to see some, are we going to see
• 32:44
  some covers? Rose and he's going to attack.
• 32:46
  Yeah, we will see some cover ones, but I think Ron pointed
• 32:50
  you made last year and this year is We're going to see what type
• 32:54
  of coverage. I mean I think you're going to
• 32:58
  see a lot more Zone and you're going to see a lot more zones
• 33:00
  just because that's the way. Countering buds defense was to
• 33:06
  attack the defense at different levels.
• 33:10
  So we were fairly good at containing, the run-in.
• 33:16
  We at least had been in place to take away the Deep stuff as long
• 33:21
  as we didn't get beat, but what you didn't have is if you know,
• 33:27
  you got all those guys running deep with the receivers and now
• 33:29
  you've got a quarterback that breaks contain and there's just
• 33:32
  a big space of know. Nothing for about 15 or 20
• 33:36
  yards. What's the Marilyn game?
• 33:39
  I think the same freaking slow, quarterback.
• 33:42
  We had no one there to get thing.
• 33:44
  Like, 89 yards that game. Yeah, we-we're big house
• 33:48
  watching that game. I think we were screaming.
• 33:52
  We were upset. But so you kind of see the
• 33:57
  vision that we're going to have levels in to me what he is.
• 34:01
  He's kind of already telling people.
• 34:06
  Buddy, Robbie he wanted to keep with that.
• 34:08
  Yes, I agree and it wasn't from Jake drinking the beam.
• 34:14
  It was a need but what he's saying is the modern era of
• 34:18
  college football is a lot more underneath stuff.
• 34:23
  You seen you know, Airaid Concepts in the last 15 years or
• 34:27
  everybody system are a concept RPO.
• 34:30
  I mean those things are designed to Really attack the three
• 34:35
  levels of painted defense on a given play.
• 34:37
  And I think that's the thing that we're not talking about is
• 34:40
  that you know it's not just okay well you know you're you're
• 34:45
  stabbing short here you're stabbing deep here I meet a
• 34:48
  given playing the RPO system can really kind of attack those
• 34:51
  different levels depending on what the read the quarterback
• 34:54
  gets and what he decides to do with football.
• 34:56
  Yeah and as hand said that or po stuff was essentially done to
• 35:03
  counter Of the Bud Foster defense.
• 35:05
  And I agree with that. All right.
• 35:06
  Well, let's kick it off of J. Hamm on the coach few, with the
• 35:10
  TSL interview. Great job by Will Stewart, and
• 35:13
  by Chris Coleman there and food just seems super comfortable
• 35:16
  this interview and let's start first.
• 35:20
  And this is how, you know, what? He's come from very early in
• 35:22
  their they're talking about recruiting Virginian house
• 35:24
  getting better and, you know, Landing places and the staff and
• 35:28
  the focus. He gave a shout to Smitty like
• 35:30
  them Berg and then he said, Just because you're from Virginia,
• 35:35
  doesn't mean you can recruit here.
• 35:37
  We've seen that not work out like Jesus Christ shots fired.
• 35:42
  Yeah, I wasn't sure who that was so tweeting, but he was
• 35:46
  subtweeting somebody we're not We're not gonna throw names out
• 35:50
  there. I have a feeling y'all, but you
• 35:55
  see that? And it's one of those things
• 35:57
  that's kind of true. Again, the winds we've had this
• 36:00
  year in the state had been really big and Again, the
• 36:04
  Comfort level who just come out and say that you knew was going
• 36:07
  to be a good interview from right there very early on in the
• 36:10
  process. Yeah, well I mean, what's the
• 36:12
  Comfort level is kind of drop there?
• 36:13
  And I mean, we saw the juxtaposition with media day and
• 36:17
  we know that that's a different animal.
• 36:20
  And think we'll even talked about.
• 36:24
  He always seems more comfortable in the breakouts after then the
• 36:27
  actual fish bowl. So yeah, just hold you don't
• 36:32
  know what you're getting. So it makes a lot.
• 36:34
  A lot of sense, you know, in the next piece that he said, Ron
• 36:37
  that kind of we talk about is he is reviewing or he views
• 36:42
  recruiting. Now is a two-fold approach high
• 36:45
  school and the portal free agency.
• 36:48
  And we've talked about it before and he talked about how they're
• 36:53
  continuing to build the recruiting staff and kind of
• 36:58
  made it seem to me in a way that if he's here, you're going to
• 37:03
  essentially You guys in war brand.
• 37:05
  These are our high school, this is the portal.
• 37:10
  Yeah, and I have a feeling through the portal staff, will
• 37:13
  probably be in charge of talking to guys on the roster.
• 37:16
  That's the way it goes. But I like that concept.
• 37:21
  Yeah. And I liked our approach a
• 37:23
  little bit more this off season than last only because While,
• 37:30
  you know, going out for some big fish to feel fill the holes that
• 37:33
  you have on your roster like Landing a read or Landing
• 37:37
  Blackshear in a Herbert. I prefer if we're going into the
• 37:41
  portal to kind of be more of a depth move with potential to be
• 37:47
  a starter. Not, we're counting on you to be
• 37:50
  the guy or we're up shits Creek. So, if we're going to use the
• 37:56
  portal and use it, well, I think that's the way we need to keep
• 37:59
  continue to continue to work because we can't book on finding
• 38:06
  starter level and potentially Star level talent in the portal
• 38:10
  every year. Yeah to buoy our team.
• 38:13
  So you know getting getting at a daily you know getting a bob
• 38:19
  Shake. I know he was a Juco but when
• 38:23
  Williams yeah this kind of that more of a car.
• 38:28
  Or Johnny, I mean, I think that's the type of players you
• 38:32
  need to be bringing in. Not, we're bringing in her red
• 38:36
  and black sheer and if one of those two don't bust, we're in
• 38:40
  big trouble. So I like this approach better
• 38:44
  and it also means that you have to focus on doing the recruiting
• 38:48
  the high school, recruiting the right way.
• 38:50
  And so I think we're seeing some of the benefits of that come
• 38:53
  through as well. Yeah I mean to me I think you
• 38:55
  have to look the portal. I want to say say similar to how
• 39:00
  the more well ran in FL organizations are the guys you
• 39:06
  recruit are the guys you want to be on the bed, you want to be
• 39:10
  your stars. But you know, there's going to
• 39:13
  be guys who just are buried on the depth chart and eventually
• 39:17
  say, I just need to get on the field.
• 39:20
  I'm probably good enough to play at other institutions and I've
• 39:23
  got to go there because I need to show.
• 39:24
  Take in the NFL is you look to go duck.
• 39:29
  Still out there. Let's jump over this, I think
• 39:38
  after everything that happened, not shocking, you know, Wulfric.
• 39:43
  Renee, the, you know, tight end recruit last year from France is
• 39:48
  switched over. Officially it's actually updated
• 39:51
  on the Hokey website today, which is shocking because
• 39:55
  apparently they're timely updates, only updates.
• 39:58
  There's I love to see move positions that still have not
• 40:02
  been so I don't think this is a shock, but a couple things that
• 40:07
  coach food talked about was A the athleticism of Wilfred but
• 40:12
  the other was the story of literally what 16 he comes from
• 40:17
  France, over. He doesn't speak a lick of
• 40:22
  English. Learns, English goes to a
• 40:24
  Preparatory Academy and Connecticut.
• 40:27
  And you know, any said kind of the way I got it wasn't like if
• 40:34
  this kid had been an american-born kid his
• 40:36
  recruitment would have been significantly higher.
• 40:39
  Yeah all those not red flags but what do you call them?
• 40:43
  Ron I mean barriers. I think they are probably the
• 40:50
  best way to say it. Yeah.
• 40:51
  That there were barriers to his Recruitment and you know we're
• 40:57
  talking about a player here that is versatile.
• 40:59
  So I mean you like to see that you like to see versatile
• 41:02
  players this roster in general, has been moving to more
• 41:05
  versatile players. We see how we're recruiting,
• 41:09
  we're seeing it how we're deploying, I've still
• 41:13
  offensively still wanting to See more of that.
• 41:17
  But that's I digress him switching over to defensive end,
• 41:22
  his big. Not only because of the holes
• 41:24
  that we have created with some transfers and things like that.
• 41:29
  But also we get to see this guy's athleticism because we do
• 41:33
  have some other tight end depth that he's not he probably wasn't
• 41:37
  going to see significant snaps this year, he can help us on
• 41:40
  defensive end. He said he wasn't necessarily
• 41:42
  done at tight end but the need position going into 2021 is
• 41:47
  going to be defensive end. So I'm looking forward to see
• 41:49
  what he's able to do. Since he does have some
• 41:52
  experience there. This isn't Ana.
• 41:54
  Mari bar. No situation where he's picking
• 41:56
  the position up from from ground zero.
• 41:59
  So hopefully he jumps into fall camp and finds a good roll.
• 42:04
  Oh yeah, definitely an experience there and High School
• 42:07
  in his last season there while playing been both ways, forty
• 42:11
  seven, tackles 15 and a half sacks, 11 tackles for loss three
• 42:15
  forced fumbles and he blocked the punt.
• 42:18
  And he also the big piece of lot of people were, you know, a lot
• 42:22
  of people mentioned how excited they were about him.
• 42:26
  Was he wrestled? And usually when you hear a
• 42:29
  wrestler, you think more defense and offense so I think it's a
• 42:33
  great chance for him. Maybe the potential, you know
• 42:39
  what the guy sees working with on that line, the experience
• 42:41
  with pricing tier Only maybe to take steps like Barna did last
• 42:45
  year under tap and chairlift so we don't know.
• 42:49
  We can only hope. All right.
• 42:52
  Also, did you notice when he talked about that the laughs
• 42:54
  came out? Yeah.
• 42:59
  Anytime he simply life, you know, he's comfortable as well.
• 43:02
  All right, I got the roster up here.
• 43:05
  Braun. All right.
• 43:06
  Pull it up. Tell me we got, okay.
• 43:08
  He mentioned, first of all, there's 37,000 running.
• 43:12
  Acts on our team, there's three running backs who have a
• 43:15
  potential freshman, running back to have potential to play this
• 43:18
  year and I'm going through here a, there's so many of them.
• 43:23
  Who do you think he's talking about?
• 43:25
  Give me, give me one name that you would say that guy could
• 43:28
  probably play this year. Oh man, Bronson Alcott.
• 43:34
  Thomas I'd say Kenji has the best chance to get into the
• 43:38
  rotation and a lot of that's going to depend on somebody else
• 43:42
  for probably going to talk about and that's going to be key.
• 43:45
  Sean King. When she if Keshawn King he said
• 43:51
  he's still working on his consistency.
• 43:53
  If Keshawn King is consistent the more likely those freshmen
• 43:57
  are going to see less time because he mentioned Jalen, he
• 44:02
  mentioned Rahim Blackshear but I think ringing blacks years going
• 44:06
  to be working as much in the slot if as he is in the
• 44:09
  backfield. So this is going to do in terms
• 44:11
  of being the number two guy. The guy that's getting the spell
• 44:14
  carries. The guy that's getting Anal
• 44:17
  carries its down to Keyshawn King, depending on where we are
• 44:21
  on the field. Marco Lee, probably in short
• 44:24
  yardage situations and then one or two of those freshman's that
• 44:28
  step up. I'm thinking it will be Kenji.
• 44:31
  Yeah, he mentioned Marco. He's ready play this year.
• 44:33
  He's had last year. It was a combination of learning
• 44:36
  The Playbook, plus being in physical shape.
• 44:40
  The key thing you mentioned it. He, I think he said this every
• 44:42
  year about king or least last year's to consistency key
• 44:45
  Chongqing, you know, We've seen him make some eye-opening plays
• 44:51
  and then just kind of go away Ron.
• 44:57
  I swear to God if they run Rahim Blackshear, like they did last
• 45:01
  year, you're going to go to Blacksburg.
• 45:04
  We're going to stand it. Marry a man with big signs and
• 45:08
  you're going to write on their black share is not a primary
• 45:11
  running back. Stop it.
• 45:15
  I mean, if you're calling plays that consistently get him.
• 45:17
  I'm outside the tackles or the ball in the passing game in
• 45:21
  space, I have no problem with it.
• 45:23
  If you're telling me you're gonna run inside Zone with them,
• 45:26
  you know, five six times in a row, I'm gonna scratch my head
• 45:30
  and look at you, like, you got the whole in your own head?
• 45:32
  Yeah, I mean, like, it's just it doesn't, it doesn't make sense.
• 45:37
  I like Ricky Blackshear but he does not have the between the
• 45:41
  tackles Vision that especially Herbert had last year, but I
• 45:45
  think in particular, That you're looking for in terms of
• 45:49
  consistency, but he does have really good Vision in space.
• 45:55
  So you want to get him outside the tackles, you want to get him
• 45:58
  the ball in space. You want to throw the ball to
• 46:00
  him from the slot. You don't necessarily just want
• 46:05
  to line him up and run, Dives and insides up.
• 46:08
  Yeah, we have plenty of running backs.
• 46:10
  We need, although somehow David. He'll put us one-eyed, receiver
• 46:14
  tight end, combo. I'm still trying to figure that
• 46:16
  out but how my wide receivers he mentioned that the Wayne Loft
• 46:23
  and Jalen Jonas studs, Coach Fuente, if they are studs then I
• 46:30
  should see them on the field significantly this year.
• 46:32
  If they are not on the field, choose your words better or
• 46:36
  figure out what's going on the offensive side of the ball while
• 46:39
  they're not there. Because now after hearing
• 46:42
  Braxton earlier today in an interview Braxton this offseason
• 46:46
  have been working a lot with Trey pay Danes Mitchell.
• 46:53
  Heme and Jayden and Caleb. That's a good core that, but if
• 46:59
  you're saying those two guys are studs, also come back Jay.
• 47:03
  A second downright was killing us in scout team last year.
• 47:10
  Braun, you being you talked about it and you were like
• 47:13
  killing you. Also.
• 47:14
  Why? Well I said, I said, you know,
• 47:18
  whether he was killing or not. I mean we had trouble.
• 47:20
  Getting changa Hodge the ball for whatever reason last year,
• 47:24
  how we going to get daylan, right?
• 47:26
  The ball as well. So that was my frustration.
• 47:29
  I don't think we necessarily lack Talent on that side of the
• 47:33
  ball. I think we need to be better at
• 47:35
  getting separation and I think we need to be better about
• 47:39
  getting the ball to our players. That can make plays because we
• 47:44
  got some athletes out there especially, you know, some of
• 47:47
  the guys we got Jaden, pay you coming back.
• 47:49
  I'm looking really forward to seeing what he can do in this
• 47:53
  offense, because I mean, that speed is an X Factor in that
• 47:56
  athleticism. Even if he's still not quite the
• 48:00
  crisp route, Runner that we want him to be, we need someone that
• 48:04
  can just take the top off stretch, the defense gets
• 48:07
  separation from athletic, cornerbacks And I think he can
• 48:11
  be that guy for us. So, I'm looking forward to what
• 48:15
  to see what they can do. But I'm not, I'm not David Hale
• 48:18
  here and thinking that we are Crushing the wide receiver game
• 48:24
  either. I think we have a a solid front
• 48:28
  front. Few skill guys.
• 48:29
  And then a lot of guys that have talent but are unproven.
• 48:33
  Yeah absolutely. He also addressed the offensive
• 48:37
  line, you know he mentioned kind of mentioned Tyrell, Smith is
• 48:41
  going to get some probably get the first run at right, tackle
• 48:44
  with Silas being a pretty good position for Right Guard.
• 48:48
  But then as he's talking, he let something slip.
• 48:51
  Ron, you had some slip, he said, well, you know, broccoli, Garden
• 48:55
  tackle and grime, probably went Guard and tackle a.
• 49:04
  Yeah I mean and obviously we don't want to be in a situation
• 49:08
  where we need to play Brock and Tackle but if Brock is the best
• 49:12
  tackle, we have you play Brockett tackle, that's my
• 49:16
  opinion. I want my best.
• 49:18
  Five linemen on the field. Whatever my best five
• 49:23
  combination is, I want them on the field and if that happens to
• 49:27
  be Brock Hoffman at right tackle, Well, so be it obviously
• 49:31
  that's not ideal. Nobody wants to be in that
• 49:34
  scenario. So I think a lot of this is
• 49:37
  going to depend on what we get, how quickly Bob.
• 49:40
  She could pick up the tackle position, knowing what we have
• 49:44
  in Parker Clements once. Those things start to flesh out
• 49:49
  a little bit then I think we will know if that he's even an
• 49:53
  option something that's on the table but until then and I know
• 49:57
  we talked about Tyrell coming back.
• 49:59
  As well. So once we kind of see how those
• 50:03
  three ShakeOut I guess, that's when Brock would probably come
• 50:06
  in the in the picture there but You know, as I said, I want my
• 50:12
  best best five combination out there, so if that ends up being
• 50:15
  brachot tackle. So be it.
• 50:17
  I'm really hoping about three weeks from now, he announces the
• 50:21
  starters, on the line, You know, I really hope that's done
• 50:26
  because I think for us, I want to vision of foods out there,
• 50:30
  and it's a way to nitpick. Yes, from the talk about, but
• 50:34
  you get an idea because we're him when I'm saying that, and
• 50:39
  then I'm kind of inferring that Silas kind of had Right Guard
• 50:43
  lockdown. It makes you feel a little
• 50:45
  better because then you see the death build a little bit, will
• 50:47
  Johnny, I'll be back up Center. Rocking kick to tackle org or
• 50:52
  whatever way we need in more depth, which is our biggest
• 50:55
  concern on the line. Not necessarily the first
• 50:57
  starting five for starting five. We feel good about.
• 51:00
  All right, bro. So if you feel good about Brock
• 51:03
  and you feel good about Silas, then that gives you more of a
• 51:07
  swing. Yes, you do.
• 51:09
  Because at least then you feel better about, okay, well, if we
• 51:13
  need to move rock out, we've got a solid core here and then you
• 51:17
  still got a couple guys behind them that you would Least feel
• 51:20
  somewhat okay about in especially Kate more sounds like
• 51:26
  he had a pretty good pretty good spring as well.
• 51:29
  So Absolutely, you're the end of the interview with welcome Chris
• 51:35
  talked about favorite movies and Brian.
• 51:37
  I know this one super close to your heart.
• 51:40
  Talked about favorite movie Shawshank Redemption that is you
• 51:47
  as long as I'm on you that's been here jamming and I'll
• 51:50
  shake, you can never go wrong with with Shawshank.
• 51:55
  I mean, you got your, Stephen King writing, the short story
• 52:00
  Rita, In the Shawshank Redemption.
• 52:02
  Shout out Stephen King. And then, I mean, The movie that
• 52:09
  started Morgan Freeman as the narrator.
• 52:12
  Yes. And he was unbelievable in it.
• 52:15
  He and Tim Robbins. Just the story in general.
• 52:18
  It's one of those that, if it's on, you can.
• 52:21
  If you have probably seen it more than 10 times, you've
• 52:24
  probably seen in more than 50. Is that a lie?
• 52:29
  I mean, there was a time where I was like watching it like once a
• 52:31
  month. All right, so he only closer to
• 52:34
  100 bucks. Well, it's again.
• 52:37
  Now the other one. Talked about Pulp Fiction.
• 52:40
  I mean, Just that entire movie is great.
• 52:46
  I mean there's just so many moments there.
• 52:48
  So many lines. I mean he was Tarantino just
• 52:54
  pulling his dick out and saying we're doing this.
• 52:56
  And I mean, it was a it was a, it was a fun ride and it seems
• 53:01
  like food really likes movies made in 1994.
• 53:04
  He was only missing the Forest Gump for the trifecta of the
• 53:07
  1995, Oscar Oscar, run their of like the big From that years.
• 53:14
  So He's very true. Actually.
• 53:18
  I go back and you think 1994. I mean, obviously, those movies
• 53:23
  were unbelievable. I mean, you know, by the way,
• 53:30
  another, this is just, this goes back to us being kids with Dumb
• 53:33
  and Dumber was 94 to. I, like the original three-year,
• 53:38
  not 94, is a great year really great year for.
• 53:42
  I don't even think I'd say, Question on it man I want to
• 53:47
  close this out. With one thing these interviews
• 53:50
  were great. These interviews are great.
• 53:54
  These interviews were six months too late.
• 53:58
  And we we focused a lot on. What's Happening Now?
• 54:02
  J, Hamm gave some of the back story of how he got to Virginia
• 54:05
  Tech, who gave some little peek behind the curtain.
• 54:11
  Look behind the curtain. What was going on?
• 54:14
  Especially the covid-19 were talking about, we had nobody at
• 54:18
  Camp. Yep we're contact.
• 54:20
  Traced if this had been said six months ago after with keeps him
• 54:26
  after they talk I think a lot of us would sit here and say, hey
• 54:31
  wait a minute for eight weeks of Camp.
• 54:33
  You like had no bodies, you couldn't essentially install
• 54:36
  what you wanted to install on your side of the ball, and then
• 54:41
  obviously some of the stuff taking place during the season.
• 54:45
  The Christina Garnett has said, it numerous time we are
• 54:48
  bringing, so piss-poor, public relations.
• 54:52
  This should, this should become, this should become a staple in
• 55:00
  February. For them, a staple sit down P.
• 55:05
  SL, sit down with whoever, you're comfortable with and
• 55:08
  shoot, the breeze for 90 minutes.
• 55:11
  Well, I think the, I think the problem is that, you know, let's
• 55:14
  go back. To access in general.
• 55:17
  True. It's true, you're not
• 55:19
  communicating with us. You don't get the benefit of the
• 55:22
  doubt. . And I think that that's part of
• 55:27
  the problem and sometimes it's too little too late.
• 55:32
  If you get out in front of things this is I mean this is PR
• 55:35
  shit that Christina was talking about.
• 55:37
  This is if you get out in front of things or you talk about
• 55:42
  things with people. You spread more Goodwill.
• 55:46
  People are more willing to give you the benefit of the doubt or
• 55:49
  give you a little bit of leash, but devoid of that people make
• 55:55
  up their own stories, people make up their own minds, and
• 56:00
  there's nothing to prove them wrong.
• 56:01
  There's no, there's no other counter information out there.
• 56:05
  So you're letting someone else, write the narrative, whether
• 56:07
  that's true or not. You're forfeiting your your
• 56:12
  version of the story. It's true, man.
• 56:16
  And that's one thing that they have got to understand.
• 56:19
  They've got to have people in there telling them get in front
• 56:22
  of it, pulp about it because we would have probably had a lot of
• 56:28
  empathy especially the training camp shit, man, because that's
• 56:33
  insane to think we can. You have little to nobody there.
• 56:37
  All right guys, before we get into name image and likeness and
• 56:42
  the playoff taught, we're going to take it.
• 56:45
  Quick pause for a message from our digital partners.
• 57:10
  Alright guys, so next up here, we are going to be looking at
• 57:17
  naming image and likeness. It is big.
• 57:20
  It is here, it ain't no going back.
• 57:22
  They ain't much governance to it right now.
• 57:25
  But Brian, I'm just being real. You are how too late is this?
• 57:31
  When should this shit had released artist 2021?
• 57:35
  What's your opponent? You started?
• 57:37
  The NCAA should have beginnig of Gun talking about this and
• 57:43
  starting to write the rules of this a decade ago there, at
• 57:47
  least five years, late, implementing it and they drag
• 57:52
  their feet, they waited for the state.
• 57:54
  So they wanted the conference's to step up on their own instead
• 57:59
  of doing it themselves as they should, there needs to be a
• 58:02
  unified system. You can't let each conference
• 58:05
  write their own bylaws. When you are under a governing
• 58:09
  body already. D, it's stupid.
• 58:12
  Number two. So they wait, they wait, they
• 58:18
  drag their feet state starts. Passing shit, people start,
• 58:21
  suing them. People start, suing the states.
• 58:25
  He gets all the way to Congressional hearings and they
• 58:28
  get completely raked over the dam.
• 58:30
  Coals by democrats Republicans and everyone in between.
• 58:35
  It's like one of the few damn things that both sides have
• 58:38
  agreed on in the past five years was that the NCAA completely
• 58:44
  stepped in shit on this? So now that they've been called
• 58:50
  out by that and now that other states are putting things in
• 58:53
  place and those are going live effective July 1st.
• 58:57
  The NCAA says, alright, any state that has rules?
• 59:00
  You follow those any ones that don't hear some very fucking
• 59:05
  loose guidelines to go by until we decide what this actually
• 59:09
  should look like. Yeah, to me you say 10 years ago
• 59:12
  and they should have started. The writing was on the wall to
• 59:15
  me. About five years before that,
• 59:17
  mid-2000s early 2000's when you had go back to Mike Vick and
• 59:23
  think about him as a person and then look at the Miami teams and
• 59:26
  then you have bench young and you had the USC teams and then
• 59:29
  the Gators teams right there. That's what it should have been
• 59:33
  Jesus. If these guys had something they
• 59:37
  can make a lot of money in its eventually some it's going to
• 59:40
  break through in some way. So really probably 20 years ago
• 59:44
  is when they really started thinking about it.
• 59:46
  And then 15 years ago, riding loss of ten years ago was in but
• 59:50
  they completely screwed it up. Yeah.
• 59:53
  Hello late. But I mean, I'm going to say
• 59:55
  this, I am all for this being in place awful because you've been
• 1:00:02
  for a while. I've been I've been on record
• 1:00:05
  here. I've been on record on Twitter.
• 1:00:06
  I've been on record at the barbecue on Saturday, or Sunday,
• 1:00:13
  if you can't go out there, and Use your abilities to make money
• 1:00:19
  off of your own brand or your own abilities.
• 1:00:25
  Like what everybody else gets to do that?
• 1:00:27
  I mean, We had there was there was people that couldn't even
• 1:00:35
  sell a t-shirt, that they made, even if it had nothing to do
• 1:00:39
  with football. Nothing like they couldn't sell
• 1:00:41
  fucking T-shirts because the NCAA says, no can't do that.
• 1:00:46
  Like it's just ludicrous shit. And I mean that, you know,
• 1:00:52
  whether whether you want to get on board with players having
• 1:00:56
  agents and all that stuff, you know, they should always have.
• 1:00:59
  Been able to use their abilities.
• 1:01:01
  Like everybody else that's on scholarship in every other
• 1:01:06
  situation at the University to use whatever talents they have
• 1:01:09
  while they're there to capitalize on their abilities.
• 1:01:13
  True, man. There's no reason not to anybody
• 1:01:16
  else and be like anything. So I mean, but it's very
• 1:01:23
  unfortunate that the NCAA drag their feet.
• 1:01:27
  It's unfortunate that they're not right now.
• 1:01:29
  Taking responsibility, I would have rather them Rush something
• 1:01:35
  together in the two weeks they had.
• 1:01:36
  Then just said, all right. Have fun.
• 1:01:41
  It's like they put no effort into it and they also take no
• 1:01:44
  responsibility and they're not going to take responsibility for
• 1:01:47
  any ramifications that come from it.
• 1:01:50
  Oh no. It's just facts, man.
• 1:01:53
  They're not taking any of it. And I mean for what they strike
• 1:01:55
  called him out in the interview said, they just planted this.
• 1:01:58
  They punted this to the state. They find this new schools in
• 1:02:00
  the kids and it's going more and more of what is the NCAA even
• 1:02:06
  here for What are they here for? And it's coming to a point
• 1:02:13
  especially with the OU Texas news coming out.
• 1:02:16
  And, you know, Jim Phillips saying yesterday in that
• 1:02:21
  interview we are 15 team conference.
• 1:02:25
  And it's like to me, I think the power 5 for football, maybe not
• 1:02:32
  for everything. I think in the next 10 years,
• 1:02:36
  the power 5 and maybe even the f.c. or FBS as a whole might
• 1:02:42
  just break off and say bleep them, we don't need them.
• 1:02:46
  We've got conferences, we have governing bodies.
• 1:02:49
  Here we can elect a president of our organization and we can run
• 1:02:54
  I think it's heading towards that because they don't do
• 1:02:58
  anything they don't and then when they, when they do
• 1:03:01
  something that's more, well he can't be eligible this year
• 1:03:05
  because he's three miles outside the range and you're like, are
• 1:03:08
  for fuck's sake. Are you kidding me?
• 1:03:11
  But JT, Daniels, can transfer to Georgia.
• 1:03:15
  So, with no questions asked, it's like they're free.
• 1:03:19
  Worthless. I mean they've been worthless
• 1:03:23
  you know the the picking and choosing of wind to put in
• 1:03:27
  sanctions and when to penalize a not penalize and band and not
• 1:03:31
  ban, it's very selective. It feels very at best haphazard
• 1:03:40
  at worst preferential to certain institutions and just there
• 1:03:49
  There's no consistency with the application of the rules.
• 1:03:53
  There's rarely any enforcement of the rules.
• 1:03:57
  And at some point, you got to say, what the fuck are you
• 1:04:01
  actually doing? They don't know what they're
• 1:04:04
  doing other than making a lot of money.
• 1:04:07
  That's it. They're making a lot of money
• 1:04:10
  for themselves. More inward salary asinine and
• 1:04:14
  and now because of them not taking responsibility grunting,
• 1:04:18
  it not jumping on this, a decade ago, I mean it's the Wild Wild
• 1:04:22
  West right now. It's the Wild Wild West again,
• 1:04:28
  they've let they for the states that didn't actually put
• 1:04:32
  something in place. It's, it's become very much the
• 1:04:37
  while last for the states that did put something in place.
• 1:04:40
  Now, they're up against. Can we can we enforce it should
• 1:04:42
  the NCAA enforce it, who's enforcing it?
• 1:04:46
  If, if some other if the other states are doing it, should we
• 1:04:49
  even care whether we enforce it or not.
• 1:04:52
  If they're still within whatever the NCAA governing body rule.
• 1:04:55
  Like it's a very loose like when I was thinking of this being in
• 1:05:02
  place I was like, okay well they'll take Take you know a
• 1:05:05
  year or two to come up with what this needs to look like and you
• 1:05:09
  know, a bunch of different eyes from people across the country
• 1:05:11
  and different backgrounds and all that stuff.
• 1:05:13
  We'll have a look at this before it goes into place and agents
• 1:05:17
  will get to weigh in on it and like there are so many people
• 1:05:21
  that need to have some sort of commentary on this before we
• 1:05:26
  threw it out there now and I wanted it to start as soon as it
• 1:05:28
  should but it's solely in the NCAA in.
• 1:05:34
  It's in their court, that this is going the way it going and
• 1:05:39
  and kudos to the athletes because they're, they're getting
• 1:05:41
  paid based on their abilities based on their marketability,
• 1:05:45
  based on their brand, their image and, you know, kudos to
• 1:05:49
  them. I know saving was talking about
• 1:05:52
  the, the quarterback that really hasn't played very much at this
• 1:05:57
  point. Maybe it's not rice, young
• 1:06:00
  getting close to a million in close to it, close to a mil.
• 1:06:04
  And that's 8 plus figure. So yes, I mean that's crazy to
• 1:06:08
  think. He's gonna get some plus figures
• 1:06:10
  and he's not, he's not stepped foot on the field.
• 1:06:12
  He's just the Alabama quarterback.
• 1:06:14
  Now I find it like him, go get the money.
• 1:06:17
  Make sure you get a tax attorney because you will need one of the
• 1:06:20
  million dollars because every legal entity Alabama, state
• 1:06:25
  governments also hate to tell him this, if you're playing in
• 1:06:30
  the states of Mississippi endorsing, anything Georgia,
• 1:06:33
  Florida. Wherever you play, those states
• 1:06:35
  are probably going to come after you for their tax money.
• 1:06:38
  Especially if you do something or say something, while you're
• 1:06:41
  on that state and then there's the federal, so, probably young.
• 1:06:45
  Make sure you get a good accountant because if not, I do
• 1:06:50
  not want to see you getting hauled away.
• 1:06:52
  I don't see anybody getting hauled away to jail for the
• 1:06:55
  season starts next year, for tax evasion because somebody didn't
• 1:06:58
  pay your taxes for you. And that's why you need to trust
• 1:07:01
  your agent because your agent is the person that can kind of
• 1:07:03
  guide you through. Under this thing.
• 1:07:05
  Yes, but let's you, and you feel like most of these schools, we
• 1:07:09
  know the Hokies have their program started up for these
• 1:07:12
  guys that they're going to them. They're getting the advice that
• 1:07:15
  they need. But Brian, you saw something
• 1:07:19
  North Carolina's? Doing you said, Virginia Tech
• 1:07:22
  needs to start that ASAP. I mean, yeah, they partner with
• 1:07:25
  the LifeStream group, to use unc's, official, trademark and
• 1:07:29
  logo in conjunction with name image, and likeness
• 1:07:34
  opportunities for Collegiate athletes.
• 1:07:38
  So that's essentially not necessarily directly.
• 1:07:43
  Representing the university but using the university related
• 1:07:46
  trademark and logo in relation to what they're doing, Michigan
• 1:07:53
  I think followed suit with something very similar.
• 1:07:57
  I mean, like I said, we're really in the early stages here
• 1:07:59
  and some of this is going to be, all right, we're going to push
• 1:08:02
  these boundaries as far as we can push them and then see what
• 1:08:05
  happens. And I think we're in that
• 1:08:07
  boundary-pushing territory right now and Robbie in our comments
• 1:08:14
  here, brings up a good point and Foo actually talked about this
• 1:08:17
  during his discussion relating to name image and likeness.
• 1:08:21
  But, you know, worrying about whether whether the name image
• 1:08:26
  of like, the stuff will get in the way of preparation or yeah.
• 1:08:30
  Doing the right things from football perspective.
• 1:08:32
  And he said I, you know, I hope that the that what we're doing
• 1:08:36
  isn't going to impact, how we're, how we're going about our
• 1:08:40
  business. There's and I think, as long as
• 1:08:43
  everyone's doing what they need to do outside of the preparation
• 1:08:47
  that they've been doing previously, this will go off.
• 1:08:50
  Well, yeah. And I'm hoping that that it does
• 1:08:55
  because like I said, I think it's been a long time coming.
• 1:09:01
  And I'm just sad at this point that the NCAA didn't take any
• 1:09:05
  more responsibility in rolling this out in a way that I think
• 1:09:09
  would have helped the players and the institutions with a lot
• 1:09:13
  of uncertainty. Let me ask you this brand
• 1:09:16
  because you made the point there about does it interfere?
• 1:09:19
  Does it interfere with classes because it interfere with your
• 1:09:22
  practice schedules? You're lifting schedules your
• 1:09:24
  team meetings etc etc really. The classes are important.
• 1:09:31
  That's going to also be a thing. If a guy gets you can't play
• 1:09:34
  this week. Why you haven't went to class
• 1:09:37
  all year. There he is.
• 1:09:38
  Here essentially academically ineligible but let me ask you
• 1:09:42
  this front. Do you think there's any
• 1:09:43
  animosity into the locker room Bryce is about to get a million
• 1:09:46
  dollars endorsements? And let's say, the guy
• 1:09:51
  protecting him on the left side is got 20,000.
• 1:09:55
  And sitting here. Look at him saying dude, if I
• 1:09:58
  don't do my job, they'd cream, you, you break your leg.
• 1:10:01
  You never play again. Hmm, maybe I should just slip on
• 1:10:05
  this one slide step. I don't think that'll happen,
• 1:10:08
  but you see animosity in size a locker, or what do you think,
• 1:10:12
  Brian? I don't think so.
• 1:10:13
  And I'm gonna mention a couple scenarios here.
• 1:10:17
  The first is, I mean, there's already have and have-nots in
• 1:10:21
  the locker room. Anybody that says, there isn't
• 1:10:24
  is kidding themselves. Elves.
• 1:10:26
  I mean, whether it's favorites, whether their star players
• 1:10:29
  versus, you know, guys that are more role players on the team.
• 1:10:32
  I mean there's already a pecking order to some degree in a locker
• 1:10:36
  room. Some people just, you know, they
• 1:10:38
  know their roles, they do their job, and they don't care about
• 1:10:41
  it and sometimes things like that or why people have been
• 1:10:44
  transferring to other other programs so that shit's already
• 1:10:49
  there. Number two, I want to say this
• 1:10:52
  about Braxton Burmeister Trying to get his offensive lineman
• 1:10:57
  some, some free food for naming. Would you like - that's the type
• 1:11:01
  of shit? I like there's gonna be
• 1:11:03
  camaraderie. The people that are the star
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  players, they're going to recognize and call out those
• 1:11:09
  guys that maybe more unsung. And I think that's going to help
• 1:11:14
  this situation. Whether it's even, just even if
• 1:11:18
  it's just the call that even if nothing comes from it, the fact
• 1:11:20
  that they're, you know, the appreciation is being shown, I
• 1:11:24
  think is something But also, if things do come from and I think
• 1:11:28
  it's kind of a, hey, well we've got these stars.
• 1:11:31
  But you know, there's some other guys here that are big part of
• 1:11:34
  why we're doing what we're doing and how we're having success on
• 1:11:37
  the football field. It's true.
• 1:11:45
  Are we going to create unbalance is football going to be way up
• 1:11:49
  here and every other sport will be way down here.
• 1:11:52
  Are you think it's going to be? Because I don't think it's gonna
• 1:11:55
  be that way. I think it is going to be
• 1:11:56
  individual. Yeah, yours is gymnastics girls
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  that she's making more Bryce is right now.
• 1:12:03
  Yeah, I think it's that there's not going to be in balance in
• 1:12:06
  terms of how like I think you need to be wary of what role
• 1:12:12
  boosters have in the Aspect of it necessarily.
• 1:12:16
  But in terms of The Haves and have-nots, I mean, bags of
• 1:12:21
  already been dropped for getting kids to come places under the
• 1:12:24
  table. I think what you're going to
• 1:12:27
  see. I think Fuente you actually
• 1:12:28
  talked about a little bit, you know, he essentially says the
• 1:12:31
  pine nuts, the pie isn't going to get bigger, it's just going
• 1:12:34
  to get spread directly some of its going to get spread directly
• 1:12:36
  to the kids, which could impact the university to a degree.
• 1:12:40
  But I think there's going to be because being a booster is
• 1:12:45
  getting redefined right now, right?
• 1:12:47
  Yes it is. So while I agree that some of
• 1:12:50
  the money that from the big-time guys, instead of going directly
• 1:12:53
  to the university might get, put into directly to the players.
• 1:12:59
  For some, a manager, like this things, I think you're going to
• 1:13:02
  see more smaller folks, step up, that hadn't necessarily been
• 1:13:07
  giving to the university or only we're giving a little bit to the
• 1:13:10
  university, start to give more because they can give more To an
• 1:13:14
  individual that they feels like not only you know, they feel
• 1:13:19
  like represents their school well but also that can do you
• 1:13:24
  know good things for their business bring people to their
• 1:13:26
  business. So I think there's things you
• 1:13:28
  know the mutual relationship is still there.
• 1:13:32
  Yep. Absolutely.
• 1:13:33
  In you know you talk about imbalance.
• 1:13:35
  I mean I think what's going to happen particularly actually in
• 1:13:40
  all scores I think you're going to see people like you know
• 1:13:44
  thing about Jadeveon Clowney. He's a sophomore.
• 1:13:49
  He should sit out as year. What's probably going to start
• 1:13:51
  happening? Is you're going to got to have
• 1:13:52
  guys who are this? Guy's a first-round, pick no
• 1:13:56
  matter what there's going to be companies coming in to get them.
• 1:14:02
  Onboard before they leave College.
• 1:14:05
  And that's going to happen in probably.
• 1:14:09
  Football men's basketball baseball to a lesser extent.
• 1:14:13
  Some of the track and field athletes on both men's and
• 1:14:16
  women's, you know, because then they don't, we like we can do
• 1:14:20
  this. Like, who's the swimmer girl?
• 1:14:24
  She was at Stanford, you know, I'm talking about Katie.
• 1:14:27
  Ledecky. Okay.
• 1:14:28
  Becky at Stanford, right. Not an amateur at.
• 1:14:32
  It's weirder with Olympics, but now it's almost Because we have
• 1:14:36
  this rule. If this was four years ago after
• 1:14:40
  what she did, and then she went to Stanford Kayla day, Kiwi, be
• 1:14:43
  a multi-millionaire by them. She might already be, but
• 1:14:47
  there's that opportunity. Unbelievable track star goes to
• 1:14:50
  Florida, he's going to be in the hundred meters.
• 1:14:53
  We're going to go ahead and give them a bunch of money because we
• 1:14:56
  want him to promote our product. So I think across all lines of
• 1:15:00
  sports is going to help and wherever you go, it's going to
• 1:15:03
  be the athlete. It's not going to be necessarily
• 1:15:05
  where they go. Well, I think also because, you
• 1:15:10
  know, we talked about the imbalance, but I think in some
• 1:15:12
  ways, this levels the playing field because you can now build
• 1:15:16
  a Collegiate image anywhere. Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  You don't need a blue blood program or a program.
• 1:15:22
  That's going to the playoff every year or all that.
• 1:15:26
  You don't need that to build a brand before.
• 1:15:28
  You can go pro, you can now build your brand within any
• 1:15:33
  University as long as they have, you know, some sort of decent
• 1:15:36
  and foundation. So in that way, it does level
• 1:15:39
  the playing field in my opinion because, you know, you can go to
• 1:15:43
  a Virginia Tech and and build your brand and it'd be, it'd be
• 1:15:46
  something that's, you know, kind of a national or least as a
• 1:15:51
  regional brand. Yeah, big deal before before you
• 1:15:54
  leave College. You don't have to go to a
• 1:15:57
  Clemson, or an Alabama, or an Ohio State, or an Oklahoma to do
• 1:16:00
  that anymore. Very true, very true.
• 1:16:03
  Hi Brian. We've been talking about doing
• 1:16:06
  this. This six months, hahaha
• 1:16:09
  playoffs, playoffs. First of all, we need to get the
• 1:16:13
  attorneys on the phone because clearly The cfp committee
• 1:16:20
  somehow hacked, some of our conversations for the last old
• 1:16:25
  by Design, you son of a bitch. Jenna least old friends design,
• 1:16:29
  I'm not gonna I'm not kidding like Brian had talked probably
• 1:16:33
  2019, maybe 2018. Yeah, it was as early as 2018,
• 1:16:38
  you were like 12. And I was like nasty 6 and
• 1:16:42
  you're like no 12 and Brian begin laying things out and we
• 1:16:45
  were talking about home games and you were talking about
• 1:16:48
  conference champions and you were talking about one G5.
• 1:16:53
  You were talking about the rankings in the committee,
• 1:16:56
  legitimately everything they're doing is literally what Brian
• 1:17:00
  playing was? Now let's get into the question
• 1:17:04
  because obviously the last three or four days there's been a lot
• 1:17:07
  of Twitter arguments Stuff on the timeline.
• 1:17:12
  I don't know if you guys saw it, you know, other conversations
• 1:17:15
  behind the scenes. But let's go ahead and start off
• 1:17:18
  me and Brian are both for 12. 12 is the answer.
• 1:17:22
  Sorry, not six and definitely not eat.
• 1:17:25
  So why not eight Braun because you had that argument already?
• 1:17:30
  There's several reasons. Why not eat?
• 1:17:33
  The first reason is that, if you go a, you're pretty much more or
• 1:17:38
  less every year you're saying, I'm cool with 3 SEC teams in the
• 1:17:43
  college football playoff Number two, unless you mandate a G5
• 1:17:49
  school be included. You're probably excluding a G5
• 1:17:53
  team from your playoff. Sure.
• 1:17:57
  Number three, you're eliminating the probability of having any
• 1:18:00
  sort of college football playoff home games from the scenario
• 1:18:05
  because the there's enough bowls out there where they would not
• 1:18:07
  let that happen for the A-Team. Those are my big three.
• 1:18:13
  I mean, there's several other points that we can talk about
• 1:18:16
  and I'm going to we're going to kind of go through some of these
• 1:18:18
  other other items here, the big one being the six conference
• 1:18:22
  championships to cut Conference champions.
• 1:18:26
  Sorry, so we're talking about more than likely in a given
• 1:18:28
  year. You're going to have the five
• 1:18:30
  power, five Champions and the highest ranked G5 Champion.
• 1:18:35
  Yeah, which is something I love because you're automatically
• 1:18:39
  including at least one that G5. And I know some people will be
• 1:18:44
  like, this is nothing, but it's something.
• 1:18:47
  They get a seat at the table. And that's one thing I like the
• 1:18:51
  other thing I don't like about eight is If you look at 8 and
• 1:18:56
  you look back through the years of the.you know the cfp.
• 1:19:01
  If you're looking at only eight teams you're probably only
• 1:19:04
  looking at about roughly the top 15.
• 1:19:09
  Maybe top 12 like we feel like we might can get in that you can
• 1:19:14
  go to 12 run and I did this scenario me and you ran through
• 1:19:18
  the scenario 2016 and I know that was a great year for the
• 1:19:22
  Hokies Week 10 is the beginning of November.
• 1:19:26
  I would scroll all the way down. There was a team 23, that was
• 1:19:32
  seven. And two, Going to the final
• 1:19:36
  weeks. There were some 10 and 9 when
• 1:19:39
  teams that would have made a 12-team playoffs.
• 1:19:42
  Legitimately beginning of November.
• 1:19:44
  You are giving anyone in the top 25, hit legitimate shot to get
• 1:19:49
  in. What does that mean?
• 1:19:52
  Run. What does that mean?
• 1:19:56
  It means that more people have hope later in the year.
• 1:20:01
  It means that from a this this is my Downstream thought here
• 1:20:08
  from a recruiting standpoint, say it.
• 1:20:13
  If I have a chance to make the college football, playoff, if
• 1:20:16
  I'm looking at teams that have a chance to make the college
• 1:20:19
  football playoff, there's no way that hurts recruiting.
• 1:20:22
  Nope, it's a definite. It's a definite bump.
• 1:20:25
  It's a definite bump to those teams that are consistently in
• 1:20:30
  the, let's say, top top, 20, consistently the top 20.
• 1:20:34
  You're essentially one more win away from putting yourself in
• 1:20:37
  the conversation to make the playoff if you're a top 20 team,
• 1:20:42
  if you're one, I'm better that next year, you're in the
• 1:20:44
  conversation to make the college football playoff at 12.
• 1:20:48
  That opens up a lot more opportunity for these kids to
• 1:20:52
  get on the national stage and show their talent that that
• 1:20:57
  matters that matters. I mean, there's there's no way
• 1:21:00
  around it and it's not just enough to be in the bowl game
• 1:21:05
  anymore because the Bowls have already been diminished
• 1:21:08
  significantly. Big time since we went to for.
• 1:21:12
  Yes, it is. And at this point, there's no
• 1:21:16
  going back to to. So now in that scenario 12 will
• 1:21:22
  help create a little bit. I'm not saying a lot, I'm not
• 1:21:25
  saying we're going to go to all of a sudden there's not going to
• 1:21:28
  be a dragon do four or five teams that are significantly on
• 1:21:32
  paper better than everybody else.
• 1:21:34
  That's not going to change overnight.
• 1:21:37
  But what is going to change? If you can, if you can Nic two
• 1:21:41
  or three players off every all those rosters, and Spread those
• 1:21:44
  out over the next 17. That over time that's going to
• 1:21:49
  pay some dividends. It's big in evidence and that's
• 1:21:52
  why I see somebody like Dabo Swinney.
• 1:21:54
  He's coming out saying, oh there's not 12 good enough to
• 1:21:57
  eat with playoff and my players only played know down below what
• 1:22:01
  he's worried about is when he walks into the 217th players.
• 1:22:09
  Home and tries to sell. Well, that's cool coach but you
• 1:22:15
  know, this team down the road here, they want me to they were
• 1:22:19
  14 last year they needed, they need a number to wide receiver.
• 1:22:23
  I can do that this year and he loses out the blue Royal lose a
• 1:22:28
  little bit of depth. The the 5220 team gains a better
• 1:22:35
  player to me. It is a self leveling off of
• 1:22:38
  college. Is it going to take?
• 1:22:39
  Is it going to be perfect note? But to have more people at the
• 1:22:44
  table football sport, Anything Can Happen.
• 1:22:47
  We've seen it, we've seen it in our lifetime, good Lord, Hail
• 1:22:52
  Marys, the Appalachian State game against Michigan, Health
• 1:22:55
  Virginia Tech JM you gain Jesus Christ.
• 1:22:58
  I mean, let's go with other seven.
• 1:23:00
  Let's go Boise in the the leadership team was a Rose Bowl,
• 1:23:05
  boys. You know.
• 1:23:05
  Oklahoma, yeah. And then it comes to a point to
• 1:23:09
  that, you know. A point was made to be by
• 1:23:13
  someone today that what we've seen 512 and like 610 and all
• 1:23:18
  this, and it's like, yeah, but that's it a bowl game.
• 1:23:21
  There is nothing on the line, there's nothing on the line.
• 1:23:25
  We don't know how the teams are going to react Under Pressure
• 1:23:29
  knowing that I win this game. I go play next week you also are
• 1:23:33
  going to see the opt-outs that you have none you won't see
• 1:23:36
  them. Yeah you will.
• 1:23:37
  So so I mean anybody who has something to play for is not
• 1:23:41
  going to see I Opt-outs, so that that will help them.
• 1:23:45
  Not only and I mean financially, I mean, you're talking about
• 1:23:49
  potentially playing two to three extra games, And I know you're
• 1:23:57
  Devils were too well. We already played enough games
• 1:24:00
  or who I forget who was it that said that data?
• 1:24:02
  It was. Yeah, yeah okay.
• 1:24:04
  So I mean sure you play an extra game.
• 1:24:08
  Maybe two, But you play an extra game at eight anyway, so anyone
• 1:24:14
  advocating for eight? I mean there's already an extra
• 1:24:16
  game thrown in there anyway. Yep.
• 1:24:20
  And it's also something with Dabo.
• 1:24:22
  He also knows dado ever, make it when it was two teams no, he
• 1:24:29
  never made a BCS game that will has a maiden until it went to
• 1:24:32
  four, but essentially what you're doing is you're given a
• 1:24:35
  lot more people swing and the way football is We go to the NFL
• 1:24:42
  Wildcard Weekend and vision a weekend or some of the wildest
• 1:24:46
  weekend. When literally the teens, we
• 1:24:47
  feel of the best teams, right? That's the best team in the
• 1:24:50
  league right there, they ain't gonna lose they lose, they're a
• 1:24:54
  better team that walk our team because you're talking about the
• 1:24:58
  way we kind of envisioned. It is.
• 1:25:00
  We would have Conference Championship week of next week
• 1:25:03
  we're playing. One week to prepare, not a
• 1:25:07
  month. Not three weeks one week to
• 1:25:11
  prepare go play, Go beat that guy.
• 1:25:14
  Well, my guy got banged up in the conversation.
• 1:25:15
  Bishop game, and he's out too bad.
• 1:25:18
  So sad go play. and then for the one through four teams, you're
• 1:25:23
  looking at, probably a three week layoff which Is that the me
• 1:25:29
  Braun? You tell me how you feel three
• 1:25:32
  weeks. Is that sort of ID ground?
• 1:25:34
  It's not enough time to get super prep because you have to
• 1:25:37
  wait a whole week before you figure out who you're playing
• 1:25:39
  and if a guy's got a high King will be ready so you don't have
• 1:25:44
  to Super prep and then you get the just the time off in general
• 1:25:47
  is probably so there's some built-in lag even for the people
• 1:25:52
  with the bye. And I mean, let's talk about
• 1:25:57
  another thing. Let's talk about independence.
• 1:26:01
  What is this going to do with Notre Dame?
• 1:26:03
  In particular because I don't know if everyone read it, but it
• 1:26:08
  says Conference champions a champion first six seeds, who
• 1:26:15
  know, not the first 60s? Sorry your first Force he could
• 1:26:18
  only get the by sorry conference championships camera Conference
• 1:26:22
  Championship. Champions can only get the by
• 1:26:25
  thus Notre Dame will never get a bye.
• 1:26:30
  Notre Dame for them though. They will always get a week
• 1:26:34
  break. Look at that one week of rest.
• 1:26:36
  So it's sort of a little favor for them but to never get a by
• 1:26:43
  that stinks in the way, right? Because if you if you, if you
• 1:26:45
  just had, you know, they usually play used to be.
• 1:26:48
  They play USC or Stanford Lee. Going into an absolute
• 1:26:51
  Donnybrook with somebody coming out banged up.
• 1:26:55
  We get a week break, we need to We need three, we need a month.
• 1:27:00
  Never can do it, you know, keeping the keep saying.
• 1:27:08
  I go back to this. Wrong non-power can never get it
• 1:27:12
  by is wrong. If they are the order to feed
• 1:27:16
  Robbie they can get a call out. Probable but probably not
• 1:27:25
  possible ever. Well, I've said, the problem
• 1:27:28
  that I have is that, you know, he's talking about non power 5
• 1:27:33
  can never get a bite right now. Non-power 5, doesn't even have a
• 1:27:36
  seat at the table. This gives them a seat.
• 1:27:39
  Like this, at least gives them something to work for every
• 1:27:42
  year. Yeah, if you're the best G5, I
• 1:27:44
  mean and potentially to if your Pac-12 is down here, Big 12 has
• 1:27:49
  a down here. Yes.
• 1:27:51
  I mean you might end up having two teams like you get a Memphis
• 1:27:54
  or UCF or shit. What you mean Ron we got we're
• 1:28:00
  going to go to some I got to do some research here.
• 1:28:03
  Was it 2010? I'm trying to type here. 2010, I
• 1:28:12
  think was the funky year 2010. 2010 was the year.
• 1:28:19
  This is the way it would have looked already.
• 1:28:22
  First of all, by this is based on BCS, poll Auburn Oregon, TCU
• 1:28:27
  Stanford would have got the bye. The next conference
• 1:28:31
  championships was of how state was a conference Champion.
• 1:28:34
  Oklahoma was a conference Champion Boise State would have
• 1:28:36
  made it in that year. So for them, this helps if the
• 1:28:44
  power 5 has a down year and you can get there potentially get
• 1:28:49
  too. Like I said, at least get at
• 1:28:53
  least gives one a seat at the table, just by the fact that you
• 1:28:55
  have six, not five that get automatic bids.
• 1:29:01
  Okay. So, you know, I sit here and I
• 1:29:06
  it's to me. You look at it and it it's more
• 1:29:10
  positive than negatives. The only negative people are
• 1:29:13
  trying to say. These are the two negatives.
• 1:29:16
  There's not enough good teams, which I say, you have to play
• 1:29:19
  games that let it let it be decided on the.
• 1:29:23
  It's less than 10 percent of all college football, teams making
• 1:29:26
  the playoffs, it is essentially and then those 12 teams, They
• 1:29:31
  get to go into the recruits home and says we are the best 10%.
• 1:29:35
  We are the best of the best right now.
• 1:29:36
  In college football, we made the playoffs, whether you win a game
• 1:29:40
  or you don't, we're the best of the best in college football.
• 1:29:44
  I think it'll be interesting. Probably the biggest piece where
• 1:29:49
  it's going to be interesting and me and you are harping on this.
• 1:29:52
  Talk about the bowl because it's looking like the Bulls are just
• 1:29:55
  ramrodding themselves in there. Just do two home games folks.
• 1:30:03
  Correct lat. Yep.
• 1:30:05
  True that to Cincinnati and Coastal last year would have
• 1:30:10
  actually both got it in. Would have both got in because
• 1:30:18
  at the end of the year, Cincinnati was eight.
• 1:30:20
  Coastal was 12. And I think all the conference
• 1:30:24
  champions were up in the top here because Alabama, Clemson,
• 1:30:27
  Ohio State, Oklahoma. And Cincinnati was actually the
• 1:30:32
  conference Championship ahead of the XO, they both would have
• 1:30:36
  been in. So there's two seats at the
• 1:30:38
  table in 2020, but the home games run they're talking about
• 1:30:41
  first rounds to five through 12 are going to be playing.
• 1:30:45
  Each other, love it. They got to take it a step
• 1:30:48
  further, just make the first two round home games and I know the
• 1:30:51
  bowls are going to they're going to fight that like crazy but
• 1:30:56
  it's like to be a fan and to say, if Virginia Tech were to
• 1:31:01
  ever make this Right. Dip in, you know, we try to go
• 1:31:07
  to one maybe two games a year, it's tough for us, but those
• 1:31:11
  fans who do make that commitment have that sort of money.
• 1:31:15
  Can you imagine first of December?
• 1:31:16
  We want you to travel to Orlando two weeks from now.
• 1:31:19
  We want you to travel to Texas. Oh you guys keep wanted.
• 1:31:22
  Now, you need to go to the Rose Bowl and the Championships in
• 1:31:25
  Indy? How many people can afford to do
• 1:31:27
  that? How many people actually have
• 1:31:29
  the time to do that in a seven week span?
• 1:31:34
  Many and I think having the hub's is going to solve some of
• 1:31:39
  that. Well yeah.
• 1:31:41
  And if they do it, you know, where you have a cluster, a
• 1:31:46
  cluster of bowls that are in the same geographic region.
• 1:31:50
  I think that'll help but it's not going to solve everything.
• 1:31:53
  And now they're already talked about potentially not doing the
• 1:31:57
  the first round at home and if they, if they do that, then I'm
• 1:32:00
  less on board. With the sister, I still think
• 1:32:04
  12 is a better number than eight for a lot of reasons, but the
• 1:32:08
  home game is one of the big draws for me.
• 1:32:11
  Having that atmosphere at the FBS level is unbelievable.
• 1:32:16
  Is something that we haven't seen yet.
• 1:32:18
  Haven't home game. Yeah, matter like that only and
• 1:32:23
  I think that that's something that I think would be really
• 1:32:26
  great for college football. So getting a getting away from
• 1:32:30
  the home game, I mean, imagine like, You know, we talk about
• 1:32:34
  the the big guys like the LSU's or something.
• 1:32:37
  I was too. What if, you know what if
• 1:32:40
  Cincinnati like last year could have hosted one?
• 1:32:44
  That's a big fucking deal for them.
• 1:32:46
  Huge deal. What about this?
• 1:32:49
  What about, you know, a team like, Wisconsin gets to host a
• 1:32:52
  team like Georgia in Madison and December.
• 1:32:58
  There's so many kids on the Georgia team that have never
• 1:33:00
  seen snow in their life and they walk in.
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  It's like coach, it's like it's saying - 0, what does that mean?
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  We're saying - for what does that mean?
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  It's cold. It's going to be windy.
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  It's got going to be a fun game to play.
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  You're going to hurt. That would be amazing and I also
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  think you talk about the Bulls, keep fighting it.
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  Here's an idea. Why don't you just sponsor that
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  particular playoff game? Would that be your playoff game?
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  And we're talking about these this Playoff round being the
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  first week of December. So it would still be during most
• 1:33:37
  campuses fall semester. Yes.
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  They would. Although, essentially a with
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  that who wouldn't go back? Yeah, playoff game and you're
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  out of school. Massacres.
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  I'm staying, I'm just going to I'll crash in the Buddy's
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  apartment. But either way, we look at it.
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  It's a step forward because if you go back and look at the
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  history and we went, you know, you look 95 211 Tech would have
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  made it every other year, 8 of 16 years and when they said at
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  the other day it might not be the best thing for college
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  football. In general.
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  It's great for Virginia Tech and I'm still back with you on the
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  recruiting thing. I think that's the piece wide.
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  A bow in certain people will be so against it because there's a
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  Blue Bloods. Can no longer say we're the only
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  People that have this seat at the table.
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  Exactly. We have a essentially, a
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  lockdown on, I mean, really, there's about six teens that
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  have some sort of Right out the gate you know that they're going
• 1:34:40
  to be in the conversation at the end of the year.
• 1:34:44
  Yeah. And they can leverage that in
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  recruiting every single fucking Year.
• 1:34:49
  Yes they can. And it's just one of those
• 1:34:52
  things that you start letting more people get to the table.
• 1:34:58
  Be more few less plates for those guys, and I think again,
• 1:35:02
  that's why Dabo is so against it.
• 1:35:04
  I haven't heard saving say anything, I haven't heard like
• 1:35:07
  Kirby, Smart, or Lincoln Riley. I think some of these guys would
• 1:35:11
  understand, will, hey, the only one that's like a mid tier that
• 1:35:14
  has spoken out against it as Mack Brown.
• 1:35:17
  But What did Max? I haven't, I haven't heard Max a
• 1:35:23
  nice at what he said, his players didn't like the idea of
• 1:35:27
  playing extra games. And that they didn't think that
• 1:35:31
  there were 12 plus 12, good enough teams to make.
• 1:35:33
  Can I say something? Those guys don't want to play in
• 1:35:36
  the NFL then because the NFL now you might have to play 22 game
• 1:35:40
  or 21 games to win a Super Bowl. So do you want that?
• 1:35:47
  Be the first question, I'd ask you.
• 1:35:48
  Oh, so do y'all going to play in the NFL?
• 1:35:49
  Oh yeah. They're going to make them.
• 1:35:50
  Give me millions of dollars. okay, but you have to take 21
• 1:35:56
  and I must say this, so We're talking about the difference
• 1:36:01
  between bowl games and a college football, playoff game.
• 1:36:07
  All right, so a bowl game. I get so unless you are playing
• 1:36:14
  for something. There's not a lot of incentive
• 1:36:18
  to want to play an extra game. Put your body through the
• 1:36:20
  practice time on your preparation, all that stuff, but
• 1:36:25
  if you are playing for a chance to win a National Title, I can't
• 1:36:30
  understand how I would not want to be a part of that.
• 1:36:33
  Exactly, the maximum amount of games you would play is 17.
• 1:36:37
  That is a typical NFL season. So, that's nothing in to say,
• 1:36:44
  there's not 12 teams out there, man.
• 1:36:46
  Every time I hear somebody say that, it's like, you have to
• 1:36:49
  play games. Crazy thing we already talked
• 1:36:52
  about is the conference's. They don't they're not playing
• 1:36:54
  enough games. To accurately depict who the
• 1:36:58
  conference Representatives should be, let alone, you know,
• 1:37:02
  who's going to rub, be the for, I mean, we can, we can talk all
• 1:37:05
  we want to about well yeah, they look good on paper or yeah.
• 1:37:09
  They pass the eye test or this that and the third and we see
• 1:37:14
  it. But until you play the game, you
• 1:37:16
  don't really know. You don't know the eye test,
• 1:37:19
  they're better in every aspect. If they're going to kill them by
• 1:37:22
  five touchdowns, they've also had four weeks off.
• 1:37:27
  The players who are really banged up, aren't ready to go.
• 1:37:30
  And now we're talking rust. I can tell you a lot of Super
• 1:37:34
  Bowl games that if you trusted the eye test, or what Pedro
• 1:37:38
  said, you'd have a lot different outcome.
• 1:37:41
  You damn, right by that. All right, Brian, anything
• 1:37:44
  breaking. As we sit here, other than we've
• 1:37:47
  been going well, over 90 minutes, which is not shocking,
• 1:37:50
  because you boys had none. This in two weeks we're catching
• 1:37:54
  up guys. We had a lot of news and we
• 1:37:55
  wanted to really kind of go into The name image or likeness and
• 1:37:59
  playoff thing a little bit deep here, just because it's been
• 1:38:02
  burning on us for a while, so here we are.
• 1:38:05
  Yeah, I appreciate you guys hanging out with us for, for a
• 1:38:09
  little over 90 minutes here, approaching 100 here approaching
• 1:38:13
  100 minutes. Appreciate the messages guys,
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• 1:38:20
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• 1:38:24
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• 1:38:29
  There we go. So that is going to wrap up this
• 1:38:32
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• 1:38:34
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