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Credlin | 14 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Kredlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up on credline. Fresh warnings tonight about the extent
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Speaker 2: of alleged corruption on Victoria's big build sites, with revelations
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Speaker 2: the Victorian labor government cave to union pressure on a
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded project.
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Speaker 3: More on that shortly.
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Speaker 2: More budget pressure for labor with calls to lift the
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Speaker 2: turnover ceiling and scrap a ten million dollar lifetime cap
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Speaker 2: as part of CGT carveouts for startups. Newpolling and Victoria
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Speaker 2: shows one nation ahead of the major parties. So what
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Speaker 2: does this mean for Premier Deciner Allen's leadership?
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Speaker 3: And President Donald Trump is vowing.
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Speaker 2: To charge fees to use the straight ofform moos, what
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Speaker 2: impact will this have on Australia.
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Speaker 4: I want to hear BURSA because we're protecting a very
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Speaker 4: rich portion of the world. We're spending money and so
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Speaker 4: what we've done is we are going to be reimbursed
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Speaker 4: for protection we're protecting by the countries that we're helping.
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Speaker 2: Today's housing headlines should concern every Australian, not just those
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Speaker 2: trying to buy a home, but anyone who already owns one.
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Speaker 2: The ripple effects of Labour's housing overhaul are becoming clearer
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Speaker 2: by the day. The government said the tax changes wouldn't
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Speaker 2: cause a dramatic fall in house prices.
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Speaker 3: Here is the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: Treasury has done modeling which shows that they'll still continue
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Speaker 5: to be an increase, but it will be smaller than
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Speaker 5: it would have been otherwise.
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Speaker 3: But today's data tells a very different story.
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Speaker 2: Instead of simply growing more slowly, they're plummeting. According to Cotality,
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Speaker 2: property prices in parts of Sydney fell close to ten
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Speaker 2: percent in just three months.
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Speaker 3: For homeowners.
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Speaker 2: That means years of hard earned equity wiped away in
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Speaker 2: a matter of months, and spare a thought for retirees
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Speaker 2: and downsizes, a group this government too often seems to forget.
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Speaker 2: For many of them, the family home is their retirement plan.
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Speaker 2: It's what they were counting on to fund the next
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Speaker 2: stage of their lives. But when property values fall, so
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Speaker 2: does their buying power. A retiree who could have sold
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Speaker 2: twelve months ago and comfortably moved into a smaller unit
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Speaker 2: may no longer be able to and the financial loss
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Speaker 2: is only part of it. A real estate agent in
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Speaker 2: Greenwich says we need to be talking about the mental
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Speaker 2: health impacts of this downturn.
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Speaker 6: We're not hearing a lot about the mental anguish, the
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Speaker 6: stress a distant causing on retirees, older people, and what's happening,
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Speaker 6: particularly on the Upper North Shore mark is twelve months
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Speaker 6: ago they may have been able to downsize if they
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Speaker 6: had a property worth three four million dollars. Now they're losing.
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Speaker 6: They're not even getting two point nine two point five
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Speaker 6: for property, which is having a direct impact on their
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Speaker 6: ability to purchase a second hand or even a new unit,
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Speaker 6: a smaller unit perhaps with no stairs, level living. And
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Speaker 6: the mental anguish and the health concerns that's causing these people,
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Speaker 6: some of them are trying to get into nursing homes
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Speaker 6: is absolutely devastating.
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Speaker 3: And the impacts don't end there.
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Speaker 2: The Australian newspaper reports today that Australia's two point three
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Speaker 2: million property investors are rapidly changing strategy. Rather than buying
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Speaker 2: established homes, they're turning to new bills, creating a battle
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Speaker 2: for first home buyers. So Australians are once again asking
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Speaker 2: did the government understand the consequences of its own policy?
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Speaker 2: A buyer's agent explained to Mike Levy on two GB
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Speaker 2: why these changes could make it harder for young Australians
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Speaker 2: trying to break into the market.
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Speaker 7: Let's just be rich for a second. So I used
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Speaker 7: to buy two million dollar negatively get property, right, be
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Speaker 7: could I chunk take a bit chunk off my tax
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Speaker 7: bill and all elbows thrown a little spanner in for
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Speaker 7: negative gearing. So I'm still rich. I've still got money,
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Speaker 7: but the top end of the market doesn't.
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Speaker 8: Make sense anymore.
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Speaker 7: So what we're seeing is people are now breaking that up.
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Speaker 7: The rich people are breaking it up into three or
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Speaker 7: four affordable properties and then putting that money into the
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Speaker 7: area where all the first home buyers are. And all
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Speaker 7: of my rich mates they're all doing exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 7: So right now we've got this bit of a lull
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Speaker 7: period where people are just scared of making decisions. And
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Speaker 7: then what's that doing to the affordable end. We've got
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Speaker 7: rents rising in Sydney for fifty dollars a week or
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Speaker 7: fifty dollars already units thirty dollars, So it's going to
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Speaker 7: then make it harder for the normal everyday Australian to save.
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Speaker 2: The irony is hard to ignore. Labor wanted to discourage
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Speaker 2: property investors. Instead, many are simply turning their attention away
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Speaker 2: from established homes to new builds, putting them in direct
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Speaker 2: competition with first home buyers. Yet Housing Minister Clara O'Neil
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Speaker 2: insists changes will help out those first home buyers.
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Speaker 5: What the budget changes do do is put first home
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Speaker 5: buyers on a level playing field for the first time.
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Speaker 5: We've got home ownership rates for young people around this
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Speaker 5: country crashing through the floor, and our government is stepping
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Speaker 5: up and making real change to give first time buyers
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Speaker 5: a shot they deserve.
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Speaker 2: But if the goal was to make housing more affordable,
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Speaker 2: has it actually worked? House prices might be falling, but
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Speaker 2: affordability isn't just about the sticker price of a home.
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Speaker 2: It's about whether Australians can actually save a deposit, get
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Speaker 2: a mortgage and compete in a market where demands still
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Speaker 2: far outweigh supply. Senator Andrew Bragg says that's exactly.
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Speaker 3: What this debate is missing.
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Speaker 9: And now house prices are too high from a young
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Speaker 9: person's perspectively, no doubt about that. And all this is
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Speaker 9: going to do is highlight that young people can't afford
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Speaker 9: to buy these houses.
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Speaker 10: So ultimately you're satisfied in seeing house prices declining.
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Speaker 9: If that's going to help young people get in, then
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Speaker 9: that's a good thing. But I make the point that
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Speaker 9: it's not about the actual price, it's about affordability, and
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Speaker 9: affordability has been smashed by this government because they've let
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Speaker 9: almost two million people into the country and they've only
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Speaker 9: built about six hundred thousand house It doesn't.
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Speaker 3: And that's the reality.
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Speaker 2: Unless Australia builds enough homes to keep up with population growth,
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Speaker 2: young Australians will still struggle to buy one. Housing isn't
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Speaker 2: just another political issue. It is the single biggest store
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Speaker 2: of wealth in this country. Around thirteen trillion dollars is
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Speaker 2: tied up in residential property. That's more than Australians hold
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Speaker 2: in superannuation shares and commercial property combined. So when governments
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Speaker 2: fundamentally change the housing market, the consequences don't stop at
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Speaker 2: home values.
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Speaker 3: It ripples through the entire economy.
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Speaker 11: There's a reality here, and that is the wealth effect
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Speaker 11: of home prices. If home prices established, home prices are falling,
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Speaker 11: Australians spends They spend less on furniture, on cars, on
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Speaker 11: home renovations, on a whole range of things. Home Builders
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Speaker 11: don't build when home prices are falling, and the reason
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Speaker 11: is because there is no buying demand out there to
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Speaker 11: buy those times, and so therefore the impact on the
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Speaker 11: economy can be especially done.
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Speaker 2: That's why housing policy is too important to experiment with,
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Speaker 2: because when governments get it wrong, Australians pay the price.
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Speaker 2: What I'm about to discuss is deeply confronting. It involves
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Speaker 2: the alleged abuse of children in childcare centers. But it's
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Speaker 2: a conversation. We must have today's headlines name another alleged
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Speaker 2: childcare offender. How was our system allowed this to potentially
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Speaker 2: happen again? Parents would have read these headlines today and
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Speaker 2: then done something almost imaginable. They still had to drop
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Speaker 2: their children at childcare and go to work because for
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Speaker 2: most Australian families today, two incomes aren't a luxury, it's
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Speaker 2: a necessity. Parents leave their children at childcare believing they're
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Speaker 2: in the safest possible hands.
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Speaker 3: I know that feeling.
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Speaker 2: I've dropped my two boys at childcare in the past
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Speaker 2: and had to drive to work. Every parent does that.
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Speaker 2: That trust is sacred, and when that trust is allegedly broken,
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Speaker 2: the consequences last a lifetime. The man at the center
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Speaker 2: of today's headlines is facing more than three hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty charges over his alleged abuse.
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Speaker 3: Of one hundred and fifty children.
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Speaker 2: Police say he worked at more than sixty childcare centers
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Speaker 2: during his career, with the alleged abuse occurring at ten
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Speaker 2: of those places.
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Speaker 12: The abuse of trust we alleged has occurred is devastating
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Speaker 12: and will have life long ramifications for victims and their families.
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Speaker 12: All I can say is we never gave up and
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Speaker 12: we never will.
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Speaker 2: But how does someone move through that many workplaces without
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Speaker 2: the system stopping them? And this isn't the first time
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Speaker 2: serious questions have been raised about Australia's childcare system. Just
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Speaker 2: last week, another childcare worker was jailed for sexual offenses
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Speaker 2: against nine children, and we all remember the horrific allegations
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Speaker 2: that rocked Melbourne's childcare sector last year. At some point
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Speaker 2: we must stop simply reacting to these stories and start
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Speaker 2: fixing the system that allows them to happen. This tragedy
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Speaker 2: also exposes something else. Australia has become heavily reliant on
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Speaker 2: large childcare centers. Parents need more options for care, whether
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Speaker 2: that's nanny's, grandparents.
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Speaker 3: Or home based careers.
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Speaker 2: Governments must do more to give families choice rather than
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Speaker 2: forcing everyone into the same system. Childcare choice advocate von
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Speaker 2: Hosking says the news is hard for parents.
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Speaker 13: This is one of the worst alleged childcare abuse cases
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Speaker 13: in Australia's history and it's a gut punch to every
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Speaker 13: single family who's had no option but to trust the system.
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Speaker 3: Parents to serve better.
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Speaker 13: Children deserve better.
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Speaker 3: And missus Hoskin is right.
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Speaker 2: We must do everything possible to protect children because if
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Speaker 2: we're not, then we cannot keep pretending this system is working.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 3: Let's said to Canberra Now.
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Speaker 2: For tonight's political headlines were Sky Near's political reporter cam.
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Speaker 15: Redden Good Evening Opposition leader Angus Taylor says he's not
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Speaker 15: conflicted about whether to criticize one Nation, but is stopping
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Speaker 15: short of declaring outright war on the party.
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Speaker 8: I say what I say about one nation with a
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Speaker 8: heavy heart. Frankly, I say it with a heavy heart.
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Speaker 8: Why Well, the reason well, because I know many of
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Speaker 8: the good people I want voting for us I have,
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Speaker 8: so you're inflicted when they're taking here I am. I
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Speaker 8: am not conflicted. They do not have a plan for
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Speaker 8: the future of this country.
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Speaker 15: The Prime Minister will tomorrow deliver a landmark speech on
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Speaker 15: artificial intelligence. It's being billed as his most significant address
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Speaker 15: on the issue.
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Speaker 16: One of the concerns I have is when the Prime
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Speaker 16: Minister makes his statement tomorrow, he'll move the country towards
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Speaker 16: too much regulation.
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Speaker 15: The government has been facing calls from Australian creatives like
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Speaker 15: artists and musicians, who argue the big tech companies have
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Speaker 15: been ripping off their work to train AI models without
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Speaker 15: sufficient compensation.
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Speaker 5: The Abanez government is committed to the robust copyright framework
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Speaker 5: that Australia enjoys.
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Speaker 15: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Another busy week in news and who better to look
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Speaker 2: under the bonnet than Sky News political editor Andrew Clenell, Andrew,
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Speaker 2: great to see you.
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Speaker 3: Let's start now with the straight of horn.
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Speaker 2: Moves, because both the oppice position and the Government have
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Speaker 2: been very swift to pretty much condemn President Trump's idea
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Speaker 2: about this twenty percent levy on ships that are going
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Speaker 2: through the Strait of Horror moves. Dan teen has urged
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to flag the concerns directly with the
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Speaker 2: White House. But when you hear comments like that, in
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Speaker 2: all honesty, would Donald Trump listened to anything that we
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Speaker 2: had to say when it came to a comment regarding
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Speaker 2: tariffs and levies in the strait of Horn moves?
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Speaker 17: Well, that's why I think, Anthony Albenize, you'll stay out
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Speaker 17: of it. But is it just an idle threat? I mean,
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Speaker 17: you've got to wonder that, especially when it's a social
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Speaker 17: media post by Donald Trump. He he throws these things
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Speaker 17: out there. You've got to take it a little less
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Speaker 17: literally than we're accustomed to in political reporting.
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Speaker 1: I think, and I think it is just.
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Speaker 17: A threat out there, you know, kind of a flash
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Speaker 17: in his head saying that. I mean, it's exactly what
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Speaker 17: Iram was condemned for suggesting a similar proposal. So the
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Speaker 17: international community is not going to cop that. But it
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Speaker 17: illustrates the mess that the situation's created. I mean, we
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Speaker 17: were in a situation where we kind of thought the
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Speaker 17: petrol prices are going to come down, the XIS cut
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Speaker 17: can come off. The government kept it halfway because they said,
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Speaker 17: you know, this thing might not be over yet. And
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Speaker 17: sure enough at eight and you know, the suspicion is
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Speaker 17: now it could still go for another few months. So
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Speaker 17: perhaps we all celebrated early on the war to concern.
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Speaker 2: Well, the government has said that we shouldn't worry when
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Speaker 2: it comes to fuel. What are some of the things
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Speaker 2: that you're hearing? Are they quietly a lot more concerned
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Speaker 2: when it comes to Bowen and out fuel resources and imports.
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Speaker 17: I think it's one of those things where they've done
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Speaker 17: the work, so for three months it's okay. After that though,
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Speaker 17: surely they're worried. So that's that's kind of what we're
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Speaker 17: looking at. And so you know it can't go on forever.
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Speaker 17: But I think if it goes on another two or
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Speaker 17: three months, were okay, But gee, it's a locker room
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Speaker 17: situation than it was a week ago, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Well let's come to some domestic issue now, and one
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Speaker 2: in particular, Andrew.
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Speaker 3: We are still talking about this budget and it is
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Speaker 3: now months on the latest.
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Speaker 2: Is Labor now under pressure to dramatically lift the turnover
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Speaker 2: ceiling and scrap the ten million lifetime cap and this
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Speaker 2: is around its capital gains tax carve.
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Speaker 3: Out for startups?
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Speaker 2: What are you hearing when it comes to this and
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Speaker 2: are they likely to do more changes as well.
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Speaker 1: I think that will do more changes, And I think it's.
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Speaker 17: A it's messy because it should be sort of by
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Speaker 17: now you've had legislation through.
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Speaker 1: Now they sort of put out this options paper.
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Speaker 17: I mean, it all feels a bit us about, if
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Speaker 17: I can use that term, really, I mean, this is
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Speaker 17: why traditionally, you like John Howard did a big GST
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Speaker 17: lock up, then he did a budget. You know, they say, well,
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Speaker 17: a lot of changes made to the GST, but these
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Speaker 17: seem somewhat more significant. And then we had the Henry
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Speaker 17: Tax review. You've got that proposals all out there and open,
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Speaker 17: and during that period people can come up with holes
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Speaker 17: in it, you know. But if you sort of have
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Speaker 17: just a few little leaks come out and then whack
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Speaker 17: it in a budget on budget night, this is fact,
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Speaker 17: this is happening, that's where you get issues. And it
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Speaker 17: did appear like until there was stories a couple of
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Speaker 17: days before the budget, they hadn't really thought of startups
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Speaker 17: because they changed the capital gains system so you can
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Speaker 17: claim indexation, but startups start from zero. It has no
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Speaker 17: value to start with, so they can't claim indexation. And
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Speaker 17: that was always a problem. So then oh, okay, we're
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Speaker 17: going to exempt startups. But then all these conditions and
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Speaker 17: they're very contentious, So I mean, you know, we know
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Speaker 17: one thing for sure, people are going to lose out.
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Speaker 17: Business is going to lose out. That's probably not good
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Speaker 17: for the economy. It does make you sort of wonder
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Speaker 17: would they have been better off just doing the negative
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Speaker 17: gearing change, not the capital gains change? Have they bitten
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Speaker 17: off more than they can chew with capital gains tax
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Speaker 17: because it doesn't just affect property because of rate rises,
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Speaker 17: the property markets on the way down anyway. That's good
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Speaker 17: for first time buyers, but it's not going to be
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Speaker 17: popular with many Australians or for homeowners.
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Speaker 1: It does appear messy.
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Speaker 17: But despite this, largely because the opposition isn't performing that
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Speaker 17: well and one nation's threatening them, the government's still in front.
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Speaker 17: So I feel like they will feel that they've got
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Speaker 17: away with it to some extent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I find fascinating right now when we
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Speaker 2: look at polling.
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Speaker 18: Now.
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Speaker 2: I know this is obviously you don't take everything as
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Speaker 2: biblical when you see different.
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Speaker 3: Poles, but I find it's so.
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Speaker 2: Interesting that labour doesn't really seem to be too scathed
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Speaker 2: by what's going on at the moment. Let's not forget
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister lied repeatedly about these tax changes and
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Speaker 2: he seems to just be going on untouched and one
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Speaker 2: of these unforeseen consequences. I think of what's coming with
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Speaker 2: this budget. You just mentioned, house price is going down.
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Speaker 2: The first home buyers aren't getting into the market like
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said that they would. Do you think
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Speaker 2: that they would be looking at changing some of the
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Speaker 2: aspects when it comes to housing because of the collapse
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Speaker 2: that we're seeing, or they'll just sit back and let
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Speaker 2: the market, to their point, correct itself.
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Speaker 1: Yes, or they have to step in.
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Speaker 17: I think they'll do that, and I think that they
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Speaker 17: look quite cleverly really at the political cycle and they'll
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Speaker 17: know it's two years out, so they'll just hope that
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Speaker 17: their hope is it's all forgotten by them and as possible,
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Speaker 17: other issues will take over. You may have that slump
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Speaker 17: and then you may have rates go down as they
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Speaker 17: started to do before the last election. They may time
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Speaker 17: it perfectly and then prices go up, so they may
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Speaker 17: have some luck on that front. It's a gamble and
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Speaker 17: I don't think it's been handled smoothly at all. You
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Speaker 17: see that from the back down and now all this
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Speaker 17: messy stuff that's occurring. But I think they could well
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Speaker 17: get away with it, particularly unless the opposition lifts its game.
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Speaker 17: And I think this is you know, they say governments
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Speaker 17: lose elections, oppositions don't win them, but I think this
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Speaker 17: puts the to that because it shows that you know,
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Speaker 17: you're never going to look as good as the incumbent.
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Speaker 17: There's a massive advantage with incumbency, but you've got to
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Speaker 17: present as something that does capture the imagination of people.
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Speaker 17: And that's Angus Taylor's challenge. It's a big challenge for him,
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Speaker 17: particularly with Andrew Hasty breathing down his.
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Speaker 2: Neck, and also to your point, reminding voters leading into
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Speaker 2: the next election about the promises that were broken so
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Speaker 2: that these this period is not forgotten. Before I let
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Speaker 2: you go, I do want to get your thoughts about
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Speaker 2: this scathing attack that was in the paper today by
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Speaker 2: National's federal president Andrew Fraser.
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Speaker 3: So he's pretty much.
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Speaker 2: Declared war on Barnaby Joyce and he's labeled Barnaby as
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Speaker 2: disgusting and warned the party will win against one nation. Now,
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Speaker 2: is this just political retric or. Is this a legitimate
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Speaker 2: warning from the NATS.
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Speaker 17: Well, if you went out there and asked your viewers,
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Speaker 17: who's Andrew Fraser and who's Barnaby Joyce, Barnaby Joyce is
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Speaker 17: going to win that hands down. Andrew Fraser was the
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Speaker 17: stadium p for Coss Harbor for me years. He was
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Speaker 17: famous for chasing Joe Tripodi around the chamber and trying
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Speaker 17: to strangle him. He said I've only had a couple
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Speaker 17: of wines and said he wanted to be breath tested. So,
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Speaker 17: I mean Andrew Fraser fair enough, he's had a crack.
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Speaker 17: But I think all it shows is how fearful they
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Speaker 17: are of losing their seats to Barnaby Joyce in one
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Speaker 17: nation and with some justification.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of where I see it. It's
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Speaker 1: a real challenge.
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Speaker 19: For the NATS.
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Speaker 17: They probably picked the best person they could in Canavan
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Speaker 17: as someone who can who's got a bit of charisma
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Speaker 17: and can get stuck in. But there's something about Joyce
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Speaker 17: I've got. Even even when he stuffs up when you
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Speaker 17: interview him, he's just got He just talks outside the
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Speaker 17: talking points, and this is what Canavan's trying to do.
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Speaker 1: To and to some effect.
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Speaker 17: But Joyce just has terms of phrase that the kind
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Speaker 17: of people like, and he doesn't have the responsibility. Now
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Speaker 17: he's got to be an alternative government.
20:02
Speaker 3: So and he's entertaining, he's entertaining.
20:04
Speaker 1: He's getting the attention, so's Pauline.
20:06
Speaker 17: The challenges you know, can Angus Taylor be spotted in
20:10
Speaker 17: a lineup or even Matt Canavan And that's the challenge
20:13
Speaker 17: for them over the next six to twelve months because
20:16
Speaker 17: one Nation has the jump on them there. One Nation's
20:18
Speaker 17: problems more is they're going to make political mistakes which
20:21
Speaker 17: are going to have people scratching their heads and going
20:24
Speaker 17: maybe not, but they are getting the attention that the
20:27
Speaker 17: Liberals and Nationals so desperately craven need.
20:30
Speaker 2: And that's why I think the Coalition need to not
20:33
Speaker 2: attack one nation. Just let them stand back and one
20:36
Speaker 2: Nation make the mistakes and they can be out there
20:38
Speaker 2: and do it and the Coalition can just stand there
20:40
Speaker 2: and prove why they are the stronger opposition.
20:42
Speaker 3: Andrew clen now, thank you so much for your time tonight.
20:44
Speaker 1: Thank you.
20:46
Speaker 3: I want to head down now to Victoria.
20:49
Speaker 2: And while there was news of a dip in support
20:51
Speaker 2: for One Nation, federally yesterday. It's not reflected in the
20:55
Speaker 2: Garden State, with another new poll showing the minor Party
20:58
Speaker 2: is ahead of Labor and the Coalition.
21:01
Speaker 3: A poll of six thousand, five.
21:02
Speaker 2: Hundred Victorians conducted over the past fortnite found One Nation
21:07
Speaker 2: leading both major parties on a statewide primary vote of
21:10
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent. Labor and the Coalition were tired at
21:13
Speaker 2: twenty six percent, with the Greens on twelve percent and
21:17
Speaker 2: other parties on eight. Here to offer us his insights
21:21
Speaker 2: is Victorian political editor for The Australian Anthony Galloway. Anthony, welcome.
21:27
Speaker 2: There's certainly been plenty of talk around the easing of
21:29
Speaker 2: that popularity surge towards One Nation, but it doesn't appear
21:34
Speaker 2: to be happening in Victoria.
21:36
Speaker 3: But the clock is ticking. You're at the coal face here.
21:39
Speaker 2: You've spoken to insiders from both sides of the chamber.
21:42
Speaker 3: What are you hearing?
21:46
Speaker 16: Oh, you're right, it's I mean One Nation at twenty
21:48
Speaker 16: seven percent and the two majors at twenty six percent.
21:51
Speaker 16: A massive sample size of six thousand, five hundred which
21:56
Speaker 16: the poll. Interestingly, the poll was commissioned by Victorian tra
22:00
Speaker 16: Ads Hall Council which is the peak union body in Victoria,
22:04
Speaker 16: and union chiefs were all brought in to Trades Hall
22:08
Speaker 16: today and they were briefed on the results. Given the
22:11
Speaker 16: sample size, there was quite a significant what's called an
22:15
Speaker 16: MRP which goes into predicting the result in individual seats
22:19
Speaker 16: based off preference flows. I understand for Labor it was
22:24
Speaker 16: quite dire in Melbourne's eastern suburbs. It's in the Eastern
22:27
Speaker 16: suburbs and the kind of sand belt of Melbourne where
22:31
Speaker 16: most of the Labor health seats are that the Coalition
22:34
Speaker 16: need to win at the November election. But the coalition's
22:39
Speaker 16: primary at twenty six percent is still too low to
22:43
Speaker 16: form majority government. But looking at it, there's no way
22:48
Speaker 16: Labour can form any kind of government on a statewide
22:51
Speaker 16: primary of twenty six percent. The coalition can because the
22:54
Speaker 16: preferences from one nation are likely going to float their way.
22:58
Speaker 16: Labour needs a primary of at least thirty percent. I'm
23:02
Speaker 16: told by both sides to have any chance of holding
23:05
Speaker 16: on to government.
23:07
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to justinter Allen's leadership. And there's certainly
23:11
Speaker 2: a lot of speculation around her at the moment, and
23:13
Speaker 2: one of those is that she's being propped up and
23:16
Speaker 2: protected by powerful Union figures. Now, obviously Labor will deny this,
23:20
Speaker 2: but just how tangible is the Union's influence over the government.
23:27
Speaker 16: Well, I think you're referring to an interesting Herald Sun
23:30
Speaker 16: piece this week on the ETU in Victoria and the
23:34
Speaker 16: State Secretary Troy Gray, who's a significant part of Justinter
23:38
Speaker 16: Allen's power base. I mean, you don't. You can't get
23:42
Speaker 16: the leadership of the Labor Party state or federal without
23:46
Speaker 16: having some kind of power base within the Union movement.
23:50
Speaker 16: It's important to note Justinter Allen came into State Parliament
23:53
Speaker 16: in nineteen ninety nine with the support of the ETU.
23:56
Speaker 16: She is an ETU MP. I'm told the ETU in
24:00
Speaker 16: Victoria and Troy Gray will go down with just Cintra Allen,
24:04
Speaker 16: even if the party room decide to roll the premiere,
24:08
Speaker 16: which I think is still a possibility when Parliament returns
24:12
Speaker 16: later this month and next month. I think I'm told
24:16
Speaker 16: the ETU will go down with Alan. She is one
24:19
Speaker 16: of their MPs. She's really delivered for the ETU. She
24:23
Speaker 16: didn't ban duck hunting, which the e TOU didn't want.
24:27
Speaker 16: She didn't go ahead with a gun guy gun buyback
24:30
Speaker 16: which was really important to EU members. And at the
24:34
Speaker 16: recent state conference she announced two thousand more electrical apprenticeships
24:40
Speaker 16: for this state Electrical Commission. So that's basically two thousand
24:45
Speaker 16: extra ETU members. So she's delivered for them. They'll all
24:48
Speaker 16: in all likelihood go down with her if need be.
24:51
Speaker 2: And Anthony, how much do you think these allegations though
24:55
Speaker 2: that are surrounding justinter Allen is impacting her within her party,
24:59
Speaker 2: but also are just amongst voters. When you're out around
25:02
Speaker 2: talking to different people, what are you hearing?
25:07
Speaker 16: I think the CFM you construction scandal, the the infiltration
25:13
Speaker 16: of organized crime and biking gangs on big build taxpayer
25:17
Speaker 16: funded projects has really started filtering through to the average Victorian.
25:23
Speaker 16: It's something that's just anecdotally mentioned by voters now both
25:27
Speaker 16: sides tell me in focus groups it's you know, the
25:29
Speaker 16: words corruption and CFME you and now are now being
25:34
Speaker 16: raised unprompted by by swinging voters. Labor knows it's a
25:39
Speaker 16: huge issue.
25:40
Speaker 1: Uh.
25:41
Speaker 16: The biggest probably probably the biggest issue for the premier
25:44
Speaker 16: is infrastructure spending used to be Victorian Labour's biggest asset
25:50
Speaker 16: that built a lot of things, whether it's roads, rail hospitals. Uh,
25:56
Speaker 16: you know, no one can deny that that has been
25:59
Speaker 16: an asset for Daniel Andrews and then Jacina Allen. They
26:02
Speaker 16: can't talk about the big build program anymore because of
26:05
Speaker 16: this Union corruption scandal and Anthony.
26:08
Speaker 2: Just quickly before I let you go, Jess Wilson has
26:10
Speaker 2: been on a regional tour. But how much work do
26:14
Speaker 2: the Libs really need to do to be able to
26:16
Speaker 2: win in November?
26:19
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, based on the polling, they would be
26:22
Speaker 16: winning in minority government at the moment. So I think
26:27
Speaker 16: the challenge for Jess Wilson is to get that primary
26:30
Speaker 16: from twenty let's take this Red Bridge Pole as fact,
26:35
Speaker 16: twenty six percent. It needs to get to at least
26:37
Speaker 16: thirty percent and beyond to be in any kind of
26:40
Speaker 16: position to be forming majority government. I'm told Jess Wilson
26:45
Speaker 16: is a real asset. Wherever she goes in the state,
26:49
Speaker 16: people like her, voters like her. She's doing some really
26:52
Speaker 16: interesting things on social media. But this kind of surge
26:56
Speaker 16: of one Nation, which is really a national problem that
26:59
Speaker 16: has just kind of hit Jess Wilson through no fauld
27:01
Speaker 16: of her own, has really complicated her path to majority government.
27:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll certainly be watching very closely in the lead
27:09
Speaker 2: up to November. Anthony, thank you for your time tonight
27:13
Speaker 2: after the break distressing news in the childcare sector as
27:16
Speaker 2: a worker is charged with alleged three hundred and twenty offenses.
27:21
Speaker 2: But what's been the response from the government and universities
27:24
Speaker 2: will face the Royal Commission tomorrow to look at their
27:27
Speaker 2: impact on the rise of anti Semitism in Australia.
27:35
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
27:36
Speaker 2: It's great to have your company coming up, the warning
27:39
Speaker 2: from business CEOs over Victoria's looming.
27:43
Speaker 3: Work from home legislation.
27:45
Speaker 2: But now to the renewed fears around the impact of
27:48
Speaker 2: the re escalation of the war in the Middle East
27:51
Speaker 2: and what it could mean for everyday Australians.
27:54
Speaker 3: I'm joined by.
27:55
Speaker 2: Liberal Deputy leader and Victorian Senator Jane Hume.
27:58
Speaker 3: Jane, it's great to see you, dear, is you t
28:01
Speaker 3: as well?
28:03
Speaker 2: We will touch on ARAM briefly, but I do want
28:05
Speaker 2: to start with the CFMU and some of the reports
28:09
Speaker 2: that are coming out today, and in particular it was
28:12
Speaker 2: around a former senior official who oversaw the redevelopment of
28:17
Speaker 2: Victorian Hospital. Now this person says the State Labor government
28:21
Speaker 2: intervened in the taxpayer funded project to pressure public servants
28:25
Speaker 2: to sack a company that attracted the disapproval of the CFMU. Now,
28:31
Speaker 2: I know this is predominantly a state based issue, but
28:33
Speaker 2: as a Victorian senator, how deep does this alleged corruption go.
28:39
Speaker 20: Well, this is the problem, Jamie. It's not just a
28:41
Speaker 20: state based issue. It was only two weeks ago that
28:45
Speaker 20: the Prime Minister was.
28:46
Speaker 19: Asked whether any Commonwealth.
28:49
Speaker 20: Taxpayer money had gone to projects that had then been
28:53
Speaker 20: passed on to criminals, and he said that he had
28:56
Speaker 20: sought assurances from Premier Justinto Allen that that was the case.
29:00
Speaker 19: Of course, he said, of course I have.
29:03
Speaker 20: Now the problem is every single day we have a
29:05
Speaker 20: new allegation of corruption, and Labour simply shrugs its shoulders
29:08
Speaker 20: and said there's nothing to see here. Today's revelations are
29:12
Speaker 20: quite extraordinary.
29:14
Speaker 19: This is a senior bureaucrat in a.
29:17
Speaker 20: Victorian health building authority that says that he was pressured
29:21
Speaker 20: by the government to remove a subcontractor from a site
29:25
Speaker 20: because that subcontractor was in some sort of dispute with
29:28
Speaker 20: the CFMU. So the government was actually actively involved in
29:33
Speaker 20: that decision making and pressuring a bureaucrat to make a decision.
29:37
Speaker 20: It's quite extraordinary, and this bureaucrat has said that he's
29:41
Speaker 20: happy to testify that that's the case. Now when asked
29:44
Speaker 20: about it, Premier de cinter Allen has said, oh, actually, no,
29:48
Speaker 20: that's not the case.
29:49
Speaker 19: There's no basis for that claim.
29:50
Speaker 20: However, her own Health Infrastructure Minister clearly isn't satisfied with that,
29:56
Speaker 20: because she's gone on now to write a letter to
29:59
Speaker 20: that authority to seek assurances that corrupt behavior is not
30:04
Speaker 20: continuing and that the government is not involved. So there's
30:07
Speaker 20: the left hand isn't talking to the right hand, or
30:10
Speaker 20: the left faction isn't talking to the right faction in
30:12
Speaker 20: the Victorian Labor Party, because clearly the government has been
30:16
Speaker 20: involved in this process, in this corruption that is so
30:20
Speaker 20: deep seated, so deep rooted in construction in Victoria, and
30:24
Speaker 20: it's all tax pays, not just Victorian tax pays that
30:27
Speaker 20: are paying the price because that site received Commonwealth funds,
30:31
Speaker 20: which is completely different to the assurances that apparently the
30:36
Speaker 20: Prime Minister has received from cinter Allen.
30:38
Speaker 3: No wonder.
30:39
Speaker 2: Jess Wilson and the Coalition in Victoria calling for a
30:42
Speaker 2: Royal commission into some of these projects of what's going on,
30:46
Speaker 2: just to get some answers and see where there was
30:49
Speaker 2: any of this election CROs.
30:50
Speaker 20: It seems that in Victoria a royal commission really is
30:54
Speaker 20: the only appropriate solution. Now some states have taken control
30:57
Speaker 20: of this. Queensland is a very good sample. They have
31:00
Speaker 20: a Commission of Inquiry that's going on up there. And
31:02
Speaker 20: even today we heard allegations that the Master Builder's former
31:07
Speaker 20: Marchter Builders CEO had been so intimidated by the CFMU
31:12
Speaker 20: that he had considered taking his own life that they
31:14
Speaker 20: were camping outside his office with you know, people dressed
31:17
Speaker 20: up as the Grim Reaper, fake coffins. I mean, this
31:21
Speaker 20: is the kind of bullying and intimidation that just simply
31:25
Speaker 20: can't be allowed on work sites. And at the same time,
31:29
Speaker 20: we're now you know, it's taxpayers that end up paying
31:31
Speaker 20: the price for this. We are paying over the odds
31:35
Speaker 20: for this corrupt union to be on infrastructure sites that
31:39
Speaker 20: are building buildings, that are building bridges, that are building
31:42
Speaker 20: roads that Australia needs. But we simply can't allow it
31:46
Speaker 20: to continue. Now, my colleague Senator Maria Kovacic has put
31:50
Speaker 20: out a petition to suggest that perhaps at a federal level.
31:54
Speaker 20: If the government doesn't want a royal commission, Okay, we'll
31:57
Speaker 20: have a Senate inquiry into corruption the construction and building industry.
32:02
Speaker 20: And I think that's perfectly fair and reasonable. Yes, she's
32:05
Speaker 20: had fifty thousand people signed that petition, fifty thousand, which
32:09
Speaker 20: is quite extraordinary because people know when corruption exists, it's taxpayers.
32:13
Speaker 19: That end up putting the bill. But the government is resisting.
32:17
Speaker 2: I want to move on now to there's a few
32:19
Speaker 2: other issues I want to get through with you, just
32:22
Speaker 2: very briefly. Obviously, the war in Iran has teed off again,
32:26
Speaker 2: and we're hearing reports that President Donald Trump wants to
32:29
Speaker 2: now put in a levee for ships to be able
32:31
Speaker 2: to go.
32:31
Speaker 3: Through the Strait of hor Moves.
32:33
Speaker 2: But the government has said that we don't need to
32:35
Speaker 2: worry that our stocks and are all fine.
32:40
Speaker 19: What do you think, Well, we're not hearing that from farmers.
32:42
Speaker 20: They're very concerned with September plantings coming up, that they
32:46
Speaker 20: won't have the fuel and.
32:47
Speaker 19: Fertilizer that they need.
32:48
Speaker 20: We always knew that this was going to be a
32:50
Speaker 20: fragile piece, but at the same time, we don't support
32:55
Speaker 20: a President Trump's idea of a tariff or a levee
32:59
Speaker 20: on the passage through the straits of the Moose. We
33:01
Speaker 20: would like to see peace talks continue. We would like
33:04
Speaker 20: to see an end to hostilities, but of course that's
33:06
Speaker 20: really in Iran's court now they have the ability to
33:10
Speaker 20: bring all hostilities to an end, but and open up
33:14
Speaker 20: the straits of a moose.
33:15
Speaker 19: That's what we would like to see.
33:16
Speaker 2: Or if Albo and Donald Trump had a better relationship,
33:19
Speaker 2: you might better pick up the phone.
33:20
Speaker 20: And he isn't it I mean, wouldn't we like to
33:23
Speaker 20: know exactly what you what representations have been made by
33:26
Speaker 20: the government to their US counterparts.
33:29
Speaker 19: This is a big deal.
33:30
Speaker 20: We want to make sure that we don't add costs
33:32
Speaker 20: to shipping. We wanted to remove costs to shipping, which
33:35
Speaker 20: is why we want the straits open in the first place.
33:37
Speaker 2: Now, Senator, I want to talk to you about a
33:40
Speaker 2: distressing headline today that really hit me and I found
33:43
Speaker 2: myself actually feeling really sad and distressed when I was
33:47
Speaker 2: reading about it.
33:48
Speaker 3: And it is the childcare.
33:49
Speaker 2: Sector where another worker has been charged with more than
33:52
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty alleged defenses. Now, obviously that matter
33:55
Speaker 2: will be left with the court to resolve.
33:58
Speaker 3: But I couldn't help.
33:59
Speaker 2: But think it's like this where a parent read that
34:02
Speaker 2: headline and had to put their kids in the car
34:05
Speaker 2: and drop them at childcare and go off to work
34:07
Speaker 2: and just hope that they were being in well looked after.
34:12
Speaker 2: And I just thought, we're in Australia in twenty twenty
34:15
Speaker 2: six and families still just don't have any choices when
34:19
Speaker 2: it comes to care.
34:20
Speaker 3: And I know that the coalition.
34:21
Speaker 2: Created that role choice for childcare, but what will a
34:25
Speaker 2: coalition government do to help with this situation?
34:29
Speaker 20: Yeah, this really is every parent's worst nightmarre, isn't it.
34:33
Speaker 20: I feel for the families that are involved. Obviously it's
34:36
Speaker 20: got a long way to play out. But from a
34:39
Speaker 20: government's perspective, there's probably two issues. One is how we
34:43
Speaker 20: can create an environment where we know that children are
34:47
Speaker 20: safe in care, whether it be at childcare, whether it
34:51
Speaker 20: be whether you leave your child with at a childcare
34:54
Speaker 20: center or another form of family day care, whatever it
34:57
Speaker 20: might be, that parents can be confident that their children
35:02
Speaker 20: have been well looked after, appropriately looked after.
35:04
Speaker 19: That's probably number one.
35:06
Speaker 20: But we also want to make sure that children that
35:08
Speaker 20: parents have the opportunity to choose the right form of
35:11
Speaker 20: childcare for their family. There are lots of different kinds
35:14
Speaker 20: of childcare. This one size fits all of the government
35:18
Speaker 20: really isn't working. I'm not saying that all children are
35:21
Speaker 20: at risk there, don't get me wrong, but this simply
35:24
Speaker 20: isn't a model that suits every family that we're now
35:26
Speaker 20: seeing childcare deserts. There are towns that simply can't get
35:29
Speaker 20: access to childcare. Something's got to give. It's also hugely expensive.
35:34
Speaker 20: It's one of the fastest growing expenditures on the budget
35:36
Speaker 20: bottom line.
35:37
Speaker 19: So we want to see more choice in childcare.
35:38
Speaker 20: That's something that the culture have been talking about internally
35:41
Speaker 20: for some time.
35:41
Speaker 19: We do.
35:42
Speaker 20: You're right, have a shadow Minister for choice in childcare.
35:45
Speaker 20: I think that's really important. There's one more aspect though
35:48
Speaker 20: that I think has been missed in all of this,
35:50
Speaker 20: and that's the industrial relations aspect, which falls under my portfolio.
35:55
Speaker 20: There was a Senate inquiry recently into quality and safety
35:58
Speaker 20: in childcare after some of the original allegations of a
36:01
Speaker 20: similar situation in Melbourne, and one of the findings of
36:06
Speaker 20: that inquiry was that childcare centers that might have suspected
36:11
Speaker 20: a worker of inappropriate behavior feared dismissing those workers in
36:19
Speaker 20: case there was an unfair dismissal allegation or they breached
36:23
Speaker 20: some fair work protections.
36:25
Speaker 19: Now that's a.
36:26
Speaker 20: Genuine concern because what you then find is potentially a
36:29
Speaker 20: childcare worker gets moved between sites rather than removed from
36:34
Speaker 20: the system entirely, and that puts children at risks. We
36:37
Speaker 20: want to make sure that our industrial relation settings work
36:41
Speaker 20: in conjunction with child safety obligations.
36:44
Speaker 2: It's something that really needs to have a focus on.
36:47
Speaker 2: So this is something a good opportunity for the Coalition
36:49
Speaker 2: I think to come out with some strong policies around it.
36:52
Speaker 3: Senator, thank you so much for your time tonight.
36:54
Speaker 19: I really appreciate it.
36:55
Speaker 2: Well after the break backlash from the business sector around
36:59
Speaker 2: Premier just inter work from home laws. Well, coming up
37:06
Speaker 2: the US Congress will vote on whether to make daylight
37:09
Speaker 2: savings permanent.
37:11
Speaker 3: Is this something Australia should also do? But now to the.
37:15
Speaker 2: Survey which has exposed a major backlash from Victorian businesses
37:19
Speaker 2: over the Allen Government's work from home laws, with almost
37:22
Speaker 2: half warning they'll take their investment into state. Tim Piper
37:27
Speaker 2: is the head of Australian industry groups, confectionery sector, and
37:30
Speaker 2: part of coalition of Peak employer groups which launched a
37:34
Speaker 2: ten point plan they believe will make the legislation more workable,
37:38
Speaker 2: and he joins me. Now, Tim, welcome, let's start with
37:42
Speaker 2: this survey that shows almost half of businesses say they're
37:46
Speaker 2: going to likely invest outside of Victoria. This seriously undermines
37:50
Speaker 2: jobs and economic growth in the state, doesn't.
37:53
Speaker 18: It, Well, Jamie, Big and small companies want to be
37:57
Speaker 18: welcome in their state and they want to be involved
38:00
Speaker 18: in whatever economic activity there is. But if you are
38:03
Speaker 18: discouraging investment, and you're discouraging people from the next stage
38:07
Speaker 18: of anything they want to do with their business, then
38:09
Speaker 18: that can't be good for us. But what really means
38:12
Speaker 18: is that companies are going to stay in Victoria. I mean,
38:15
Speaker 18: they're ensconced here. They've got a lot of investment here,
38:17
Speaker 18: so they don't really want to move. But it's the
38:19
Speaker 18: next stage. It's the next level of investment that they
38:22
Speaker 18: might be making. And if they need to have projects
38:24
Speaker 18: done where they need to have somebody working five days
38:26
Speaker 18: a week for four weeks or six weeks or ten weeks,
38:29
Speaker 18: whatever it might be, this legislation won't enable them to
38:32
Speaker 18: do that. So what we're concerned about is that the
38:35
Speaker 18: companies just won't feel that they're welcome and they'll be
38:38
Speaker 18: looking elsewhere. And the other alternative that we worry about
38:41
Speaker 18: is not just interstate workers getting more work than we
38:45
Speaker 18: do in Victoria, but also the possibility of them looking overseas,
38:48
Speaker 18: because I guess if you can work from home from Victoria,
38:51
Speaker 18: you can work from home from overseas. And companies are
38:54
Speaker 18: already looking at ways that they can reduce the costs
38:57
Speaker 18: to themselves.
38:58
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, Tim, And I guess another
39:01
Speaker 2: aspect of this is the premiers said legislating this work
39:05
Speaker 2: from home is going to boost productivity. But if businesses
39:09
Speaker 2: are already offering flexible arrangements voluntarily, shouldn't the government just
39:15
Speaker 2: back off and just leave it up to the employers
39:17
Speaker 2: of what suits their business the.
39:18
Speaker 18: Best, Jamie. We think that most employers now are already
39:23
Speaker 18: providing that flexibility to employees. In fact, we think about
39:27
Speaker 18: eight out of ten of those that can reasonably get
39:31
Speaker 18: this flexibility are already getting it. And in many circumstances
39:34
Speaker 18: we're finding, you know, there contracts that have already been
39:36
Speaker 18: drawn up, agreements where you get one, two, even three
39:40
Speaker 18: days working from home each week, which enables people to
39:42
Speaker 18: have that flexibility. I guess that's the point we're making.
39:46
Speaker 18: We're trying to get amendments to this bill. The bill
39:48
Speaker 18: at the moment is really troubling us and we think
39:51
Speaker 18: will cause enormous problems for employers. For example, at the moment,
39:56
Speaker 18: if you've got a contract with an employee, it might
39:58
Speaker 18: be that they have two days working from home, it
40:01
Speaker 18: could be that that could be stacked on top of
40:04
Speaker 18: the legislation, so not just having two days working from home,
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Speaker 18: they could have the two days agreed best part of
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Speaker 18: the agreement with the employer, plus two days as part
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Speaker 18: of the legislation, So they could be having four days
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Speaker 18: working from home as a result of this legislation, which
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Speaker 18: we don't think is good. Obviously, we don't think that
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Speaker 18: that is what is intended. It's certainly not good for
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Speaker 18: the economy and employees absolutely don't want that.
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Speaker 2: And another element to this too, and warnings are rising
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Speaker 2: about it, is that these laws are going to make
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Speaker 2: employers less likely to hire the young and inexperienced workers
40:39
Speaker 2: who actually need face to face mentoring. Has that been
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Speaker 2: factored into just inter Allen's decision at.
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Speaker 18: All, having those young people and any any of us,
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Speaker 18: but the young people in particular need to be working
40:53
Speaker 18: face to face very much in their early stages, so
40:56
Speaker 18: they can look at us all. They can see what
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Speaker 18: managing people's like. They can see the good, the bad,
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Speaker 18: and the ugly and then decide for themselves how they're
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Speaker 18: going to operate. I think the bosses will be looking
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Speaker 18: for those people that are under their nose, if you like,
41:08
Speaker 18: that are working from the office, working from wherever they
41:11
Speaker 18: can be on the employment site, and the bosses are
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Speaker 18: going to be looking to them to be showing their
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Speaker 18: wares to be able to progress, to.
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Speaker 1: Be able to get promotion.
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Speaker 18: And the more often that you're with people that have
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Speaker 18: that opportunity to promote you, the more likely you are
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Speaker 18: to be So I want the young workers to be
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Speaker 18: able to benefit from having a couple of days at home,
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Speaker 18: perhaps or a day a week from home, but spending
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Speaker 18: most of their time in the office where they actually
41:37
Speaker 18: get a feel of what it's like being in the workforce.
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Speaker 18: And I think into the future, the ability to manage
41:43
Speaker 18: people is going to be a significant factor that bosses
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Speaker 18: are going to be looking for for their people when
41:48
Speaker 18: they're promoting and when they're looking for other people to employ.
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Speaker 18: So I think it's benefits all the employees to be
41:54
Speaker 18: actually in the office to a very great extent. That
41:58
Speaker 18: might mean they have a day or two at home
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Speaker 18: working from home, but nothing more than that. And that's
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Speaker 18: what we're really concerned about. Making sure the amendments that
42:06
Speaker 18: can be created, not the change the bill, not to
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Speaker 18: stop the legislation going through, just make it sensible so
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Speaker 18: it's workable for both employers and employees.
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Speaker 2: Well, Tim Piper, you speak a lot of sense. I
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Speaker 2: hope the Allen government is paying attention. Thank you for
42:20
Speaker 2: coming on. Well, coming up, the E Safety Commission says
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Speaker 2: tech giants have allowed gaps in detecting and preventing child
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Speaker 2: sexual exploitation and abuse and should the anthem be played
42:32
Speaker 2: on Australia day before the Big Bash Final.
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Speaker 3: That's next. Oh, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: It's time to bring in tonight's panel, political commentator Roe
42:43
Speaker 2: Knox and New South Wales Independent MP Tanya Mahileek.
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Speaker 3: Welcome ladies, it's great to see you both. Let's start
42:51
Speaker 3: with today's polling that's come out of Victoria and.
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Speaker 2: It does show one Nation, ahead of both the Labor
42:56
Speaker 2: and the Coalition. But the interesting element of this, though,
42:59
Speaker 2: is the preferred premiere response now just Cinter Allen is
43:03
Speaker 2: crashing down at twenty four percent, with Jess Wilson up
43:06
Speaker 2: around the past the forty percent mark.
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Speaker 3: Tanya, when do you think.
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Speaker 2: LABEL will get to the point where they think, all right,
43:12
Speaker 2: we need to replace Jacinta going into November or it's
43:15
Speaker 2: going to be a blood bath.
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Speaker 3: Well, you never know with Labor.
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Speaker 14: When they replaced Gillard with Kevin Rudd, that was ten
43:25
Speaker 14: weeks before federal election, So you never say never with Labor.
43:30
Speaker 14: But I've got to say I think they're pretty much
43:32
Speaker 14: stuck with the center Allan at this stage. I think
43:34
Speaker 14: with four months left to the election, it would be
43:38
Speaker 14: very bad form at this point to try and move
43:40
Speaker 14: her on. But also she's a member of the Socialist
43:44
Speaker 14: Left and she controls the numbers the Socialists Left control
43:48
Speaker 14: Victoria Labor, and I can't see who would try and
43:51
Speaker 14: oust her. It won't be somebody within her own faction.
43:54
Speaker 14: And in the end, unless she falls on a sord
43:58
Speaker 14: and decides to go herself, I don't think there'll be
44:01
Speaker 14: any appetite within the Labor circles of Victoria to try
44:04
Speaker 14: and actually move her on, so they'll just live with her.
44:08
Speaker 3: In reality, I think a year.
44:09
Speaker 14: Ago there was talk and lots of sort of discussion
44:13
Speaker 14: about her going back then and they decided not to
44:15
Speaker 14: do that. They've stuck with her despite the toxicity that
44:19
Speaker 14: surrounds Allen and her government. In the end, you've got
44:24
Speaker 14: Premier Chris Mins and his cabinet essentially have an unwritten
44:28
Speaker 14: rule where they don't do any collaboration or any work
44:31
Speaker 14: with Victoria Labor. They sort of bypassed Victoria and head
44:34
Speaker 14: over to Malanascas and South Australia whenever they want to
44:37
Speaker 14: do a media op. And recently Alberanizi has now sort
44:41
Speaker 14: of seems to have walked away from just sent to Allen.
44:44
Speaker 14: So I think Victoria Labor is unfortunately in a position
44:48
Speaker 14: where they've come to the reality that they'll have to
44:50
Speaker 14: stick with her. What's given them some hope and interesting
44:53
Speaker 14: you mentioned one nation is the fact that one nation
44:56
Speaker 14: polling is rising Victoria, and what Labor is hoping for
45:01
Speaker 14: is for the right to divide in Victoria, for the
45:04
Speaker 14: coalition and for one nation to divide and Labor you
45:08
Speaker 14: know scraped through in the middle.
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Speaker 2: You know, Rotania does make a good point because this
45:12
Speaker 2: is the constant discussion, isn't it about that fractured right
45:16
Speaker 2: side of the vote? Jess Wilson, I think is incredibly impressive.
45:20
Speaker 2: But do you think she just needs to work out
45:23
Speaker 2: a deal. I don't know who with because there is
45:24
Speaker 2: no one nation Victorian leader. But what do you think
45:27
Speaker 2: the solution is here?
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Speaker 10: So, I mean, Jesse is obviously an absolute sleepstar. She's
45:32
Speaker 10: such a clear leader. She's working so hard, She's going
45:36
Speaker 10: the length and breadth of the state of Victoria. The
45:41
Speaker 10: issue she has is she's got to hold on to
45:44
Speaker 10: the twenty nine seats that she has at the moment,
45:47
Speaker 10: and then she needs an additional sixteen. And the concern
45:51
Speaker 10: about formalizing a relationship with one nation this far out
45:56
Speaker 10: when they jammy, as you said, they don't have a
45:59
Speaker 10: leader in Victoria yet they only have one candidate in
46:03
Speaker 10: the field, might be very risky in those twenty nine
46:06
Speaker 10: seats she's trying to hold, and even in her own
46:10
Speaker 10: seat of Q SO, I think she's doing a very
46:14
Speaker 10: good job of not denigrading one nation because when you
46:18
Speaker 10: do that, you're also denigrating all the voters, and we
46:21
Speaker 10: saw from that polling that are all looking at one nation.
46:25
Speaker 10: And she's also doing a good job of not formalizing
46:28
Speaker 10: anything until she knows what she has on her hands.
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Speaker 2: I want to move on now to this E Safety
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Speaker 2: Commissioner because Julian mcgrant has come out saying companies like Apple, Discord, Google, Meta,
46:39
Speaker 2: Microsoft WhatsApp have continued to allowed gaps when it's come
46:43
Speaker 2: to detecting and prevent her in child sexual exploitation on
46:46
Speaker 2: their platforms. But does it show, though, that the commissioner
46:50
Speaker 2: still doesn't have the powers to actually hold these tech
46:52
Speaker 2: giants to account.
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Speaker 14: How do you think you can give all the powers
46:56
Speaker 14: you want to the Safety commissioner. How do you hold
46:59
Speaker 14: the massive, huge tech to heint's accountable. I think it's
47:03
Speaker 14: almost impossible. I think that a lot of these companies
47:08
Speaker 14: play us for fools. Really, they know that they're not
47:12
Speaker 14: integrating any of the legislation that's been moved in the
47:15
Speaker 14: last twelve months federally in relation to E safety. And
47:19
Speaker 14: no matter what money you pour into the Safety Commissioner
47:22
Speaker 14: or whatever type of resources or legislative changes that you make,
47:26
Speaker 14: I think ultimately the tech giants will just do whatever
47:29
Speaker 14: they see fit.
47:31
Speaker 2: Bro An interesting vote is going on in the US
47:35
Speaker 2: Congress about whether to make daylight savings a permanent fixture,
47:38
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's always debated here.
47:41
Speaker 3: What do you think should we be following suit?
47:42
Speaker 10: Yes, I mean, obviously this is a constant debate in
47:46
Speaker 10: the US. I actually liked I think there's one senator
47:49
Speaker 10: who's proposing a sort of middle ground where you have
47:52
Speaker 10: a standard time, which is essentially a balance between daylight
47:56
Speaker 10: savings and non daylight savings. So it means you have
48:01
Speaker 10: less day less nighttime hours, but you also don't have
48:06
Speaker 10: some parts of the country which would be without daylight
48:08
Speaker 10: savings that would have kids going to school in the dark.
48:11
Speaker 10: So I think they'll probably end up with some sort
48:14
Speaker 10: of compromised position. But they had this argument I think
48:16
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty two they continually have it.
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Speaker 3: It's the same as US.
48:21
Speaker 2: And just very quickly before I let you both go,
48:23
Speaker 2: black tie and a wedding. Apparently it's no longer the
48:25
Speaker 2: done deal thing anymore.
48:27
Speaker 3: Cocktail never seen one.
48:28
Speaker 14: Everyone no black tie out in southwest western Sydney.
48:32
Speaker 15: Guys.
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Speaker 2: Well, Broh, you and I both had black tie both
48:36
Speaker 2: we can't be in this conversation. I appreciate you both
48:39
Speaker 2: coming in tonight, and thank you for your company this evening.
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Speaker 2: You'll see me again here tomorrow at six o'clock. The
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Speaker 2: bolt report is up next