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MGM+ Reveals Jon Hamm-Led True-Crime Thriller Series 'American Hostage' · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine this for a second. You are just going about
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  your morning, right, it's a completely ordinary.
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  Speaker 2: Day, Yeah, just a regular Tuesday or whatever exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You're I don't know, pouring your first cup of coffee,
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  maybe buttering a piece of toast, and you reach over.
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  Speaker 2: To turn on your radio like you always do, right.
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  Speaker 1: You tune in to your favorite, most trusted local station.
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  You're expecting the morning traffic report, maybe the weather forecast.
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  Speaker 2: The usual comforting hum of your local newsman's voice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just telling you everything is okay in the world.
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  But instead what you hear makes the coffee cup just
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  freeze halfway to your mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 1: Because you don't hear the weather, you hear a live,
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  entirely unedited, utterly raw conversation. And it's not a political
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  debate like a celebrity interview.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's something way darker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are listening to a man who has a
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  sawed off twelve gage shotgun physically wired to another man's neck. God,
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  and he is threatening to pull the trigger right there,
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  live on the public airwaves.
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  Speaker 2: It just completely shatters the barrier between the safety of
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  your living room and well, the absolute extreme edge of
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  human desperation. Right there, is no filter. You aren't hearing
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  a report about a crisis, You are suddenly thrust into
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  the middle of the crisis itself.
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  Speaker 1: And that terrifying hijacking of normalcy is the real world
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  foundation for American Hostage.
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  Speaker 2: Which is the new MGM plus television series.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, premiering Sunday, September twentieth, twenty twenty six. And what
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  we are doing today in this deep dive is taking
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  the entire history of this event apart.
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  Speaker 2: We really need to unpack all the layers here.
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  Speaker 1: We do because we are going to look at the
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  blood chilling nineteen seventy seven true crime standoff. It's based
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  on the impossible psychological warfare of a sixty three hour siege.
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  Speaker 2: And the bizarre legal loopholes that followed too yes.
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  Speaker 1: Plus the massive ethical collision that happens when a newsroom
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  becomes an active participant in a hostage situation.
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  Speaker 2: Because I mean, this isn't just about a guy with
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  a gun.
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  Speaker 1: No, It's really about what happened when a fractured mind
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  realizes that the fastest way to get power is to
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  commandeer the media.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and just to set the table for you, the
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  release strategy for the show is pretty compelling. It's an
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  eight episode first season.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing a two episode launch.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, a two episode launch followed by weekly drops
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  through November first, and it already had a highly coveted
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  world premiere at the Toronto International Film Festival.
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  Speaker 1: Which is huge. So welcome to the table. This deep
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  dive is designed specifically for you if you want to
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  understand not just the what of this thrilling new show,
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  but the incredibly complex why behind the true story that
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  inspired it.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely because to understand the weight of the television adaptation,
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  you really have to understand the absolute physical reality of
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  the ground zero event.
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  Speaker 1: We have to go back to Indianapolis, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's February eighth, nineteen seventy seven. The city is just
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  locked in the dead of.
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  Speaker 1: Winter, and the economy's pretty sluggish, right, well.
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  Speaker 2: Very there's this pervasive sense of post Viatnam, post Watergate
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  malaise hanging over the country.
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  Speaker 1: Like institutions are suddenly viewed with a lot of.
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  Speaker 2: Suspicions exactly, and the American dream is starting to feel
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  increasingly out of reach for the working class.
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  Speaker 1: And into that environment walks Anthony Kurtzis. He goes by Tony.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Tony Kurtzis.
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  Speaker 1: He's forty four years old, and he just strides right
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  into the downtown offices of Meridian Mortgage Company.
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  Speaker 2: And it's wild because you look at Tony's file and
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  he's not a hardened criminal or a mob enforcer.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all. He's a former Army veteran. He spent
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  time working as a lath operator. He sold cars.
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  Speaker 2: He's just a guy who hustled his entire life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and at this exact moment, he sees himself as
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  an aspiring real estate developer on the verge of his
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  one big break.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He had bought this seventeen acre plot of land
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  on the west side of Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 1: And the plan was to build a commercial shopping center.
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  This was going to be his ticket to legitimacy.
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  Speaker 2: But the ticket has essentially been revoked. He took out
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  one hundred and thirty thousand dollars more Bridge on this
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  property through Meridian Mortgage, and the note is due.
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  Speaker 1: And the project has stalled completely.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, In the real estate business, you know, projects
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  stall all the time due to interest rates, or poor
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  planning or just bad luck.
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  Speaker 1: Sure it happens every day.
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  Speaker 2: But Kuritzis's psychology won't allow him to accept that he
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  might have failed. Instead, he develops this incredibly rigid, obsessive
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  conviction that he is the victim of a massive, coordinated conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: He believes Meridian Mortgage didn't just deny him an extension.
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  He believes they actively and systematically sabotaged him.
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  Speaker 1: So he just builds his entire narrative in his head.
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  Exactly He's convinced Meridian was linking his confidential blueprints. He
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  believes they were actively calling up potential investors and, like
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  whispering poison in their ears.
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  Speaker 2: Right, deliberately scaring off his financial backing, just so they.
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  Speaker 1: Could foreclose on the property, steal the land, and steer
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  the development to their own preferred clients.
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  Speaker 2: To him, the system wasn't just unfair, it was a
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  predatory machine specifically designed to chew him up.
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  Speaker 1: And that absolute certainty of victimization is what brings him
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  to Ritty and Mortgage. That's snowy morning. He doesn't walk
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  in with a lawyer or a revised business plan.
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  Speaker 2: No, he walks in with a sowd Off twelve gage
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  Winchester's shotgun.
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  Speaker 1: And he bypasses the tellers bypasses the middle management and
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  goes straight for Richard Hall. Dick Hall.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and Dick Hall is a key executive, but more
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  importantly to Curacies' twisted logic, he is the son of
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  the company's president.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Curacies views him as the ultimate symbol of
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  this nepotistic, powerful institution that ruined his life.
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  Speaker 1: But he doesn't just point this shotgun at Hall. He
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  introduces this mechanism that elevates the whole thing from a
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  standard armed robbery to an act of psychological terrorism.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he creates a literal, physical dead man's switch.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's really unpack this, because this mechanism is what
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  makes the whole story so deeply terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine being in that office. Carretzies takes the muzzle of
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  this sowd off shotgun and physically wires it directly to
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  the back of Dick Hall's.
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  Speaker 2: Head, which is just horrific to even picture.
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  Speaker 1: Then he takes a wire, connects it to the trigger
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  mechanism of the shotgun, and loops that wire tightly around
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  Hull's neck.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he has essentially turned the hostage into part of
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  the weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that the engineering is as simple
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  as it is diabolical. The tension of the wire on
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  Hall's neck is the only thing keeping the trigger from pulling.
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  Speaker 1: So it creates a state of mutually assured destruction.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about it. If a police sniper on an
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  opposing rooftop manages to get a clean shot and instantly
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  kills kurritzis what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Curates's body goes limp.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, his body goes limp, the gun drops, the tension
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  on the wire, snaps the trigger backward, and Hall's head
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  is blown off.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a terrifying physical version of a modern
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  ransomware attack.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good analogy.
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  Speaker 1: You know how hackers will lock down a hospital's critical systems,
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  and the IT department can't just unplug the servers because
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  the life support machines are tied into that exact same network.
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  Speaker 2: Right, if you pull the plug to kill the virus,
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  the patient dies.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Curatsis built a flesh and blood version of that
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  exact trap. You cannot intervene, you cannot cut the feed.
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  Speaker 2: Every traditional response protocol law enforcement has is just instantly neutralized.
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  Speaker 1: You can't breach the room, take the shot, or tackle
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  the suspect.
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  Speaker 2: No. By designing the dead man's switch, Curatsis effectively conscripts
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  the police and the hostage into becoming his personal bodyguards.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, they have to protect him.
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  Speaker 2: To protect Hall, the police are highly motivated to keep
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  Curasis alive and unharmed, and Hall has to walk in
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  absolute terrified synchronization with his captor.
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  Speaker 1: If Hall trips on the ice, or like if he
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  sneezes violently, or if he tries.
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  Speaker 2: To pull away, he executes himself. It places Curtsis in
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  a position of total, unassailable control, and.
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  Speaker 1: He immediately uses that control to create a spectacle. He
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  marches Dick Hall out of the Meridian offices and right
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  out onto the freezing streets of downtown Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: Just think about being a pedestrian that morning. You're bundled
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  up heading to the bus stop, and you see two
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  men walking in lockstep, one with a shotgun literally wired
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  to the other skull.
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  Speaker 1: The police arrive almost instantly, but they are paralyzed. The
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  news cameras arrive, capturing every agonizing.
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  Speaker 2: Step, and Curtsis marches Hall all the way to his
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  own apartment complex on the west side, forces him inside,
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  and then completely shifts the paradigm of the standoff right.
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  Speaker 1: Because he announces to the police surrounding the building that
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  the doors, the windows, and the walls of his apartment
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  are rigged with over one hundred pounds of dynamite.
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  Speaker 2: Suddenly the blast radius isn't just Dick Hall, it's the
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  entire residential block.
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  Speaker 1: The authorities have to scramble to evacuate dozens of neighboring
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  units in the freezing cold.
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  Speaker 2: Which kicks off a grueling sixty three hour siege.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the physical toll of sixty three hours. Yeah,
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  that's nearly three full days without a second of sleep. Yeah,
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  you have a hostage who was awake for sixty three
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  straight hour, knowing that if he nods off and his
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  chin drops too far, the tension on the wire might
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  pull the trigger.
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  Speaker 2: And you have curitsis fueled by adrenaline and likely intense paranoia,
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  pacing the room, refusing to stand down.
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  Speaker 1: And you have negotiators trying to establish communication with a
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  man whose demands are entirely detached from reality.
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  Speaker 2: Well, his demands represent a total rewriting of the universe
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  to suit.
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  Speaker 1: His narrative, right, He doesn't just want to get away car.
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  Speaker 2: No, he demands a formal public apology broadcast from Ridy
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  and mortgage Company, stating they were wrong and he was right.
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  Speaker 1: He demands his one hundred and thirty thousand dollars debt
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  be completely.
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  Speaker 2: Erased, and he demands an additional five million dollars in damages,
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  plus absolute legal immunity from prosecution for taking a hostage
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  and rigging a building with explosives.
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  Speaker 1: How do negotiators even begin to engage with us? If
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  a guy asks for a helicopter, you can stall by
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  saying it's fueling up, right, But when a guy asks
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  for five million dollars and a suspension of the United
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  States penal Code, where is the leverage?
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  Speaker 2: You find leverage by figuring out what the hostage taker
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  truly craves beneath the material demands. Okay, the negotiators quickly
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  realized that Curatsis didn't just want the money. He wanted
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  an audience. He wanted validation.
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  Speaker 1: He wanted the world to look at the people who
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  allegedly wronged him and declare him the victor.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He wanted to be a martyr who survived and
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  because the traditional police negotiators represented the system he hated.
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  Curatzus refused to talk to them, so.
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  Speaker 1: He sought out a different kind of authority.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he commandeered the public airwaves.
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  Speaker 1: Which takes the crisis from a localized police standoff in
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  a snowy apartment complex to a massive ethical crisis for
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  the media.
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  Speaker 2: Because Curitzis picks up his phone, bypasses the police switchboard
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  and starts calling Fred Heckman.
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  Speaker 1: And we should explain who Fred Heckman was. He was
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  the news director and the lead on air voice for
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  WIBC Radio in Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: Right and in the nineteen seventies, local am radio was
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  the absolute heartbeat of a city.
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  Speaker 1: Heckman wasn't a shock jock or a sensationalist. He was
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  like the Walter Cronkite of Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: People set their daily routines to the sound of his voice.
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  He represented safety, truth, and community.
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  Speaker 1: So Curitzis understood the cultural weight of Heckman's platform absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: By calling WIBC, Curitzis was demanding that his grievances, his
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  entire manifesto about the mortgage, the sabotage, the grand conspiracy
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  against the workingman, be given an unfiltered hearing on the
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  most trusted microphone in the.
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  Speaker 1: State, and this places Heckman and his newsroom in a
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  completely unprecedented, excruciating dilemma. Here's where it gets really interesting,
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  because it's the ultimate journalistic trolley problem.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: Heckman is standing at the control board. If he refuses
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  to take the call, If he adheres strictly to traditional
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  journalistic ethics and says, we do not negotiate with terrorists,
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  We do not hand over our broadcast to an armed gunman,
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  he risks infuriating Carretzies right.
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  Speaker 2: And a rejected Curazies might snap the wire polls and
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  Dick Hall dies because Heckman wouldn't pick up the phone.
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  Speaker 1: But if Heckman takes the call and patches it through
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  live to the public, he is giving a domestic terrorist
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  exactly what he wants.
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  Speaker 2: And worse, if the shotgun goes off mid interview, Heckman
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  has just broadcast a live execution to thousands of people
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  sitting in their living rooms and driving in their cars.
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  Speaker 1: Does providing that platform make the new station an accomplice?
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  Does giving currencies a platform equate to validating domestic terrorism?
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  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture. The ethical
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  boundary dissolves completely in that moment. The nineteen seventies media
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  landscape had no precedent for continuous, live, breaking news coverage
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  of an ongoing hostage situation directed by the hostage taker himself.
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  Speaker 1: Heckman is instantly transformed from a passive observer reporting the
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  news into an active, involuntary mediator whose words carry life
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  or death consequences.
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  Speaker 2: And the wild thing is the authorities, who were completely
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  paralyzed by the dead man's switch, actually encouraged Heckman to
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  keep talking to curtsies. Really yeah. Broadcasting portions of these
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  calls served a dual purpose. It informed a terrified city,
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  but more importantly, it functioned as a desperate de escalation tactic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I said.
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  Speaker 2: The theory was that as long as Curtis was talking,
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  as long as he felt he was being heard by
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  the masses, his finger would stay off that trigger.
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  Speaker 1: But the psychological weight on the journalist is immense. I mean,
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  you are sitting in a sound proof booth, your producers
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  are frantically waving at you through the glass, the FBI
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  is tapping the lines, and you have a man on
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  the phone who could end a life in a fraction
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  of a second if he doesn't like your tone.
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  Speaker 2: Heckman is actually warned by his own colleagues. They tell
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  him explicitly that if Dick Hall dies on his airwaves,
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  that sound, the blast of a twelve gage shotgun, will
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  be his lasting legacy.
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  Speaker 1: Everything else he achieved in his career will be erased
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  by that one moment of complicity.
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  Speaker 2: Despite the staggering risk to his conscience and his career,
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  Heckman makes the choice. He opens the microphone, patches the
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  call through and tells Kuritzis, you are live and on
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  the air.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And that faithful decision tether's Heckman, his newsroom, and his
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  entire listening audience to a madman's whim for the duration
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  of the siege.
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  Speaker 1: To understand how the television show interprets this, we need
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  to look at how the actual sixty three hours finally broke.
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  You can't sustain that level of adrenaline forever, right.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually, Kurtzis gets a version of what he wants.
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  Speaker 1: In a bizarre move of total appeasement, representatives from Meridian
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  Mortgage actually go on television and read a statement acknowledging
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  his grievances.
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  Speaker 2: And the authorities draft entirely fake, legally meaningless documents that
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  grant him the five million dollars and the immunity.
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  Speaker 1: They just slide these documents under the door. Kurtzist, who
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  is exhausted and utterly convinced of his own victory, accepts them.
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  Speaker 2: He marches Dick Hall out of the apartment, stands in
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  front of a sea of flashing cameras and reporters, and
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  delivers this completely unhinged, screaming victory speech.
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  Speaker 1: He actually declares himself a goddamn national hero who beat
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  the system.
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  Speaker 2: And then finally he unhooks the wire from Hall's neck
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  and surrenders to the police.
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  Speaker 1: The standoff ends without a gun shot, but the legal
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  aftermath is where the system completely shorts out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does.
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  Speaker 1: You have a man who meticulously planned an attack, engineered
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  a complex dead man switch, negotiated multimillion dollar contracts under duress,
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  and successfully manipulated the media.
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  Speaker 2: The prosecution looks at this and sees cold calculated, premeditated
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  kidnapping and terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: But the jury comes back with a verdict of not
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  guilty by reason of insanity. How does that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the insanity defense Here is a fascinating study of
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  legal definitions versus public perception. Prosecution argued, exactly what you
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  just laid out creates this was highly intelligent, organized, and
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  aware of his actions. But the defense focused not on
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  his intelligence, but on his profound fracture from reality. Legal
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  insanity in this context doesn't mean a lack of cognito ability.
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  It hinges on the inability to distinguish right from wrong
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  due to a severe mental defect. Okay, see the defense
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  psychiatrist successfully argued that Curtsis's belief in the Meridian Conspiracy
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  was a fixed, systemic delusion. He wasn't holding a man
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  hostage for money. He was acting out of an absolute
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  psychotic conviction that he was engaged in a righteous war
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  for his own survival.
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  Speaker 1: He was meticulously building a bridge to a reality that
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  simply did.
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  Speaker 2: Not exist exactly, and the jury bought the argument that
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  his actions, however calculated, were the byproduct of a profoundly
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  sick mind.
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  Speaker 1: It's an outcome that leaves everyone feeling deeply unsettled. Dick
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  Hall survives, but he is traumatized for life. Heckman saves
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  a man, but permanently alters the ethical boundaries of his profession.
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  Speaker 2: And Curtsis goes to a psychiatric facility instead of a prison.
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  Speaker 1: It's an incredibly dense, morally ambiguous narrative. And what's fascinating
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  is how this story found its way to television in
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  twenty twenty six because it didn't start as a screenplay.
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  It started entirely as an audio experience.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. The origins trace back to a highly acclaimed
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  twenty twenty two scripted podcast produced by Amazon Music and
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  Wondery in association with Krim Content. It was called American
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  Hostage and.
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  Speaker 1: It was an eight episode psychological thriller directed by Sean
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  Christensen exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And when you look at the mechanics of the nineteen
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  seventy seven crisis, audio is really the most natural potent
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  medium for it because the.
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  Speaker 1: Entire crisis was mediated through sound. Curitzis was in a
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  locked room, Heckman was in a sound booth.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The tension didn't exist in car chases or shootouts.
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  It existed in the pregnant pauses over a crackling telephone line.
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  Speaker 1: Listening to the podcast, you are forced into the exact
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  same sensory deprivation that Heckman and the radio audience experienced.
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  You're a sharp breath on the line, and your brain
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  instantly paints a vivid, terrifying picture of that wire tightening
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  around Hall's neck.
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  Speaker 2: Audio strips away all the visual distractions and mainlines the
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  psychological terror right into your brain.
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  Speaker 1: But the podcast was a massive critical success, which led
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  Sony Pictures Television to acquire the rights.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they brought in Sean Ryan, who was the mind
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  behind The Shield and the Night Agent, and Eileen Meers,
• 17:58
  known for Big Love and Mad Dogs.
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  Speaker 1: They developed it for MGM plus by late twenty twenty three,
• 18:04
  and they filmed it up in Winnipeg, Canada.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: They took a story built entirely for the ear and
• 18:09
  task themselves with building a visual world around it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But wait, I have to challenge this transition. Doesn't adding
• 18:15
  a camera inherently ruining the claustrophobia.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: How do you mean?
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Well, if the whole point of this story is the
• 18:21
  isolated terror of a voice over a radio, it feels
• 18:25
  risky to clutter it up with nineteen seventies polyester suits,
• 18:28
  wide lapels and set design. You risk losing the very
• 18:32
  thing that made the audio adaptation so suffocating. It's like
• 18:35
  the classic the book was better than the movie debate,
• 18:37
  but for an audio play transitioning to.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: TV, I get that, but I'd break down how visual
• 18:42
  adaptation requires reinvention, not just translation. If the TV shows
• 18:47
  simply filmed two men talking on telephones and separate rooms,
• 18:50
  it would be incredibly stagnant. Right The showrunners understood that
• 18:54
  visual storytelling requires you to illuminate the collateral damage that
• 18:58
  audio obscures. The podcast traps you in the room with
• 19:02
  Kuritzus and Heckman. The television series uses the camera to
• 19:06
  show you the massive blast radius of their conversation.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: It expands outward, it pulls the camera back to show
• 19:12
  the entire ecosystem of the crisis exactly.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: We are shown the frantic, suffocating pressure inside the WIBC newsroom.
• 19:20
  You see the producers chainsmoking, ripping copy paper, desperately trying
• 19:23
  to manage the FCC, the police and their own terrified anchor.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: And we see the broader law enforcement response, the chaotic,
• 19:31
  freezing command center trying to negotiate around a bomb threat
• 19:34
  they can't even see.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And the families too.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Most importantly, the camera enters the living rooms of the families.
• 19:40
  We see Dick Hall's wife pacing the floor, her entire
• 19:43
  reality reduced to the sound coming out of a plastic radio.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Speaker, and Heckman's family realizing that the voice they rely
• 19:50
  on for comfort is currently negotiating a murder.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: The visual medium allows the audience to experience the paralyzing
• 19:56
  helplessness of everyone outside the immediate standoff, which audio couldn't
• 20:01
  easily portray.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: To anchor that expanded visual world, you need a cast
• 20:06
  capable of projecting immense internal conflict, and the casting choices
• 20:10
  here are highly deliberate. Starting with a brilliant piece of
• 20:14
  continuity from the podcast, John Hamm reprises his role as
• 20:18
  Fred Heckman.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, Ham's involvement is the anchor of the entire production
• 20:22
  because he lived with the character during the podcast. He
• 20:25
  arrives on screen with a fully formed understanding of Heckman's
• 20:28
  specific Midwestern cadence, his posture, and the deep resonant authority
• 20:33
  of his voice.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: He's a Midwest native himself, right he is.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And more crucially, ham understands the specific type of morality
• 20:39
  required for the.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Role, which brings up a funny point. Is John Hamm
• 20:42
  just giving us Don Draper with a microphone. I mean,
• 20:45
  we're back in the nineteen seventies dealing with American masculinity
• 20:47
  in a suit.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's so easy to make that assumption, but the thematic
• 20:51
  engine of American hostage demands the exact opposite of the
• 20:54
  Don Draper archetype. How so well, Draper was an anti
• 20:58
  hero running from his past. He was a man composed
• 21:01
  entirely of lies. Fred Heckman is presented as a man
• 21:05
  of absolute, transparent integrity. He is a pillar of his community,
• 21:10
  a devoted father, and a journalist who genuinely believes in
• 21:13
  the sanctity of the public trust.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: So it's a completely different kind.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Of tension completely. The drama doesn't stem from Heckman having
• 21:20
  a dark secret that gets exposed by the crisis. The
• 21:22
  horror stems from watching a profoundly decent, solid man be
• 21:26
  systematically crushed by an impossible ethical weight in real time.
• 21:31
  He's one of the most purely moral figures Ham has played.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: The pressure threatens to crack him precisely because he is
• 21:36
  so rigid in his morals, and the show actually expands
• 21:39
  on his bag story to explore the origin of that rigidity.
• 21:43
  They dive into his relationship with his own.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Father, showing how early experiences with duty and conflict forged
• 21:49
  his ability to compartmentalize and maintain grace under fire. He
• 21:52
  is drawing on his past responsibilities to survive rather than
• 21:56
  running from them, and.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: To generate that crushing pressure than the narrative requires an
• 22:01
  immovable object. The casting of Giovanni Rilizi as Tony Kuritzis
• 22:05
  provides a phenomenal counterweight.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Ribisi has to execute an incredibly dangerous high wire act here.
• 22:12
  If he plays Crisis purely as a screaming monster, the
• 22:16
  audience disconnects. If he plays him too sympathetically, the show
• 22:20
  risks validating a terrorist right. He has to embody the pathetic,
• 22:24
  desperate reality of a failing businessman whose life is falling apart,
• 22:28
  while simultaneously projecting the terrifying, volatile danger of a man
• 22:32
  capable of wiring a gun to an innocent person's head.
• 22:35
  You have to understand his legitimate sense of grievance without
• 22:38
  ever excusing his actions.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And trapped literally between those two forces. Is Christopher Paoloh
• 22:44
  as Dick Hall. Playing the hostage in a story like
• 22:47
  this is a brutal assignment. Oh, absolutely, you're physically tethered
• 22:50
  to the aggressor. You're often reduced to communicating entirely through
• 22:54
  panicked eye contact and micro expressions, and Poloha's preparation process
• 22:58
  was intense. He didn't just memory lines.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: He studied the real Dick Hall's surviving reflections, didn't he yes.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And he listened to the agonizing nine to eleven recordings.
• 23:07
  He really aimed to honor the emotional aftermath and capture
• 23:11
  not just the sheer biological terror of those sixty three hours,
• 23:15
  but the invisible, permanent psychological scars that Hall carried for
• 23:18
  the rest of his life.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: The supporting cast acts as vital ethical mirrors to the
• 23:23
  central trio. Two. You've got Mirror al Enos playing Barbara Heckman,
• 23:27
  his wife. She grounds the media spectacle and domestic reality
• 23:30
  and forms this unexpected bond with the hostage's wife.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And William Jackson Harper plays Ben Harston, right.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: The idealistic mentee at the radio station. He represents the
• 23:40
  next generation of reporters watching their revered mentor cross lines
• 23:43
  they were taught never to cross place. You have Jonathan
• 23:46
  Tucker as FBI agent McNally and Cat Cunning as Ibbie Hall.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So we give this deeply researched history, a seamless transition
• 23:53
  from audio to visual, and a powerhouse cast. But the
• 23:56
  critical question for any prestige historical drama is why this
• 24:00
  specific nineteen seventy story right now? Why dig up a bizarre,
• 24:04
  localized standoff from nineteen seventy seven and present it to
• 24:06
  an audience in twenty twenty six. What nerve does it
• 24:08
  strike today?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Because the emotional core of the nineteen seventy seven event
• 24:12
  is arguably the defining cultural mood right now. The central
• 24:16
  theme of American Hostage is the explosive amplification of individual grievance.
• 24:22
  Look at Kurtz's underlying motivation. It was an absolute, unshakable
• 24:27
  belief that a faceless, powerful institution had stacked the deck
• 24:31
  against an ordinary man.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It's a feeling of profound disenfranchisement, the idea that no
• 24:36
  matter how hard you work, the system is designed to
• 24:39
  lock you out, and.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: That sentiment is everywhere today. Sean Ryan, the co showrunner,
• 24:43
  explicitly stated that the story speaks directly to the undercurrents
• 24:47
  of anger that exists in the country right now. We
• 24:49
  live in an era characterized by massive institutional distrust. People
• 24:53
  feel alienated, by corporations, by algorithms, by government. Carrotsis represents
• 24:57
  the ultimate terrifying endpoint of that alien. He is the
• 25:01
  unheard man who decides that if the system won't listen
• 25:03
  to his complaints, he will use violence to force the
• 25:06
  system to give him a microphone.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? We see versions of
• 25:10
  this every day online. Curatesis sounds eerily like a modern
• 25:13
  internet forum troll who actually left his basement and grabbed
• 25:16
  the weapon see exactly. But how does the series avoid
• 25:19
  turning him into a dark folk hero for the disenfranchised.
• 25:23
  If someone watches this and feels the same economic anxiety
• 25:27
  curates Is felt, do they look at him beating the
• 25:29
  system and say good for him?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, and it is a massive risk,
• 25:34
  which is why the perspective of the narrative is so crucial.
• 25:38
  A year prior to this series, in twenty twenty five,
• 25:40
  there was a feature film called dead Man's Wire starring
• 25:43
  Bill skarsgrd Oh I remember that, and it focused primarily
• 25:47
  on Curates's as the protagonist. It was a character study
• 25:50
  from the hostage taker's perspective. American hostage deliberately avoids that
• 25:54
  trap by decentralizing curatess and elevating Heckman ah I see.
• 25:58
  By focusing on the ethical crisis of the journalist, the
• 26:01
  show forces the audience to confront the damage curatis In
• 26:04
  flicks on everyone around him. It carefully situates his explosion
• 26:08
  of rage within his own specific personal failures.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: It refuses to romanticize his violent methods exactly.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: It exposes the tragic intersection where personal desperation attempts to
• 26:18
  commandeer the public stage. It's not a righteous crusade, It's
• 26:21
  a deeply toxic failure to cope.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It also serves as a haunting origin story for our
• 26:26
  current media consumption habits. The nineteen seventy seven standoff was
• 26:30
  an early test case for the twenty forty seven news
• 26:33
  cycle we live in today. The spectacle of real time
• 26:36
  crisis coverage.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Heckman wrestling with whether to broadcast a live crisis is
• 26:39
  the exact same dilemma modern platform space today.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Right, and the broader ambitions for the series indicate that
• 26:46
  MGM plus views this dynamic not as a singular historical anomaly,
• 26:50
  but as a recurring human tragedy. We should look at
• 26:53
  the broader scope of what they're trying to build with
• 26:55
  this property beyond just these eight episodes.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because this eight episode run in Indianapolis is build
• 27:01
  specifically as the first chapter of an anthology.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Series, so future seasons could explore entirely different real life
• 27:07
  hostage cases.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Through completely different lenses. Yes, negotiators, victims, perpetrators, with Adam
• 27:13
  Arkin and Nino Lopez Carado directing and executive producing.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And it's rolling out globally right Yeah, MGM plus internationally
• 27:19
  in the UK, Germany, Latin America, HBO MAX in Europe,
• 27:22
  Stan in Australia, Sky.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And z It's massive. MGM plus head Michael Wright called
• 27:27
  the creative team a match made in heaven, and SPT
• 27:30
  president Catherine Pope praised the exploration of quiet heroism.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: But I have to ask, doesn't adopting an anthology format
• 27:38
  risk turning profound, real life human traumas into a gritty
• 27:42
  Crisis of the week franchise.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You might think so, but I'd argue that the anthology
• 27:46
  structure actually protects the integrity of the true story. Ohso,
• 27:50
  rather than dragging out Heckmann's trauma into multiple seasons, which
• 27:54
  would require inventing contrived new crises for him, it allows
• 27:58
  for tightly structured, closed ended narratives. They honor the reality
• 28:02
  of the Indianapolis siege, bring it to a definitive, respectful conclusion,
• 28:06
  and close the book. Future seasons can then examine different
• 28:09
  facets of the human condition under extreme duress without exploiting
• 28:13
  a single event beyond its natural lifespan.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: So to quickly summarize this deep dive, we've taken quite
• 28:18
  a journey today, from the snowy, terrifying march in nineteen
• 28:21
  seventy seven Indianapolis, dealing with the brutal mechanical terror of
• 28:25
  a shotgun wired to a man's.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Neck, to a groundbreaking audio thriller that captured that claustrophobia.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And finally to a prestige television event that explores the
• 28:35
  ethical boundaries between reporting the news and becoming it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It's fundamentally a story about the collision between personal grievance,
• 28:42
  institutional failure, and the terrifying power of the broadcast microphone.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And remind yourself why this matters to you. When you
• 28:49
  log onto social media or turn on the news and
• 28:52
  watch an unfolding disaster in real time, you are participating
• 28:55
  in the modern evolution of the very dilemma. Fred Heckman
• 28:58
  Faced might not run a radio station, but you carry
• 29:01
  a broadcasting network in your pocket.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Which leaves us with a lingering, provocative question, Tom all Over.
• 29:08
  In today's era of citizen journalism and live screaming, if
• 29:11
  a desperate person demands an audience to air their grievances,
• 29:15
  we are all effectively Fred Hackman. The question isn't just
• 29:18
  whether the platforms will broadcast it. The question is when
• 29:21
  you see that notification, will you choose to tune in, and,
• 29:24
  in doing so, become a part of the dead man's switch.