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Ep 36: United Activating Crisis Mode Already?! · Let's Kick It Off!

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  I'm Steve and I'm joined by Ash as Ron and Scott and it's the
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  biggest pod we've ever done because Manchester United are in
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  crisis mode after two games into the season.
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  We've picked up one point in those two games.
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  We had a defeat against Arsenal at Old Trafford and we picked up
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  a point at Craven Cottage on the weekend.
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  We drew one all so we'll get straight into it.
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  I'm going to come to Scott first because I feel Scott is the most
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  disgruntled out of all of us and possibly all of the United fans
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  and the Let's Kick It Off community.
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  So, Scott, starting with the game on Sunday, what did you
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  make of that game against Fulham and United's performance?
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  Yeah, it didn't surprise me. I wasn't expecting a thumping,
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  but I think overall, yeah, I have to say that this, but I
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  think I said it before, it's one, it's the worst full of team
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  that we've probably played. They've not strengthened and
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  they've got weaker and the fact we didn't actually get all three
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  points just as it all to me. So yeah.
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  So I think the performance, the 1st 10 minutes was a mirror of
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  Arsenal, exactly the same, you know, nice football, nice
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  movement, connection and all that kind of stuff.
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  But after about 10-15 minutes it just dropped off.
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  The high press kind of dropped and then Fulham exposed us.
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  Like pretty much every club that exposes for the past 8-9 months,
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  there's just no spine to us in terms of the sediment field
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  which then just left us exposed. So yeah, for me, I think the
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  draw was fair. I don't think we deserve to win
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  it. I don't think we created enough
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  chances, goal scoring opportunities, OK, we hit the
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  post, but I just think we didn't create enough.
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  And spending 200 + 1,000,000, that should be creating and
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  scoring. It's Fulham.
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  We should be getting 3 points and should be scoring a few
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  goals at Fulham. With no disrespect to Fulham,
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  but yeah, I just thought I was expecting that similar
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  performance basically. No, it's, it's fine for Scott.
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  It's a United part of we can disrespect Fulham, I'm sorry,
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  but we should be beaten. We should be beaten.
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  Fulham, I'm sorry. Like we're we're Manchester
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  United. We have a huge Dick as shown by
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  signing Cesco when you know other clubs were in forms, as I
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  saw you kind of pull in your face when Scott said you know
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  Fulham our team, we should be beaten.
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  Does that mean you think Fulham are a good team and you know we
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  shouldn't? Do you actually rate rate Marco
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  Silva? No, it was, it was more, I think
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  we should obviously want to beat Fulham.
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  It was more, this is the worst Fulham team we've ever played.
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  I actually think Premier League's just generally a lot
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  stronger. So I don't think we're, it's the
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  word and I do, I do rate Marco Silva in as a, as a manager.
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  I think he's a very good manager and it's a decent team.
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  But yeah, we should be winning. You know, we, we, we go into
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  these games, I went into the game expecting to win.
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  You want three points from from this type of fixture.
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  It was more a comment on I do think this is a decent Fulham
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  squad and a good manager, well coached.
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  But yeah, you'd expect us to, well, you want us to get the
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  three points And even if you know, we generally have a really
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  good record as as well at Craven Cottage, even if we're usually
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  like it's some last minute goal, even it even when we had prime
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  Ronaldo, it was like we needed the last minute goal, but we
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  usually pull something. Out the last eight games at
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  Fulham we've won. It's 50, 15 years we have gone
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  undefeated at Craven Cottage, so I know we didn't lose, but yeah,
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  that that tells you how. Good.
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  The record is it eight in a row and if we had won it would have
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  been a record against, yeah, it would against any team away from
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  home so. Just had to be right when you
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  know it's going to be a club record, it just doesn't happen.
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  Yeah, Reuben had history against him, so that that's the reason
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  we didn't win. Yeah, just looking at the
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  history, it's like all of these games are by one goal.
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  There's a few that but it's it's always been close so but you
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  still want to win, you still want to win the football
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  matches. I thought we started really
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  well. I was really excited.
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  I love Cunha, just think he's brilliant, such a good player,
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  such a good signing. I just want to keep watching
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  him. He was unlucky wasn't he Like
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  hit the, hit the post that was unlucky, hit the post and the
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  one he brought down, the one he brought down from behind, there
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  would have been some goal he scored that.
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  Obviously myself and Scott are on polar opposite when it comes
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  to to Bruno. And I was like, yes, Bruno's
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  going to score and then he goes and hits it into, yeah,
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  Hammersmith somewhere. So that was that was
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  disappointing. To be fair to Bruno was he was
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  very hardly done by the referee, right?
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  So we will have to feel sorry for that nudge from the referee,
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  is that right? That was really weird, wasn't
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  it? The whole referee thing?
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  I said like, great, just calm down.
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  And then after that he seemed to, he seemed to lose his head
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  right for the rest of the game, which didn't help.
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  But so you actually think like, he's got no excuses.
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  And what's he talking about Bruno in this instance?
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  100% I mean, he even said after the game that's not a reason to
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  miss a penalty. He didn't say, oh, the referee
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  bumped me, that's why I missed it.
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  So yeah, that's but. Even bringing it up the.
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  Thing is he Ruben? Ruben said the same thing
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  though. He.
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  Didn't bring up the. Ruben said he had a bad attitude
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  or he didn't start the game in the right frame of mind, so.
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  You just need to mention the apology as in.
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  This is this is your club captain, this is your club
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  captain. And the fact that he's coming
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  into a post match interview and is saying I'm waiting for the
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  referee to apologise to me. I mean, this sums up where this
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  football club is at that your club captain is more worried
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  about that than actually focusing on the penalty and
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  putting the penalty away. And even if you think like that,
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  even if you are concerned about referee apologising to to me,
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  don't come out and say in the media this is your club captain.
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  Pathetic. Yeah, I I totally agree with
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  that. I mean, I think I said it on the
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  WhatsApp chat straight away, like, you know what?
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  Because you could see him whining about something and it's
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  Bruno, right? So he could be whining about
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  anything. But I was like trying to compute
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  it in my head. Is he actually whining that the
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  referee touched him? I mean, doesn't that show that
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  he's like pissed off generally? And is that maybe to do with the
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  position he's playing on the? Pitch There was some rumours I
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  don't know if you guys heard a couple of days before the game
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  they were talking about rumours had circulated again about Saudi
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  and I think there's still some some rumours today around
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  potential last minute last couple of days at the window.
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  So you just wonder, you know, was that potentially playing on
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  his mind? And you know, the fact we know
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  what he's like, you know, sometimes, you know, he's not
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  necessarily the the most strong world of characters and has that
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  affected his performance was going into because I think I
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  noticed it in the first 5 minutes.
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  You know, again, he was sort of throwing his arms around.
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  He was going back to his usual self from last year, moaning and
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  whining, and he didn't have a great game in general.
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  I do feel sorry for him though because he's been put in this
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  position by the manager. In terms of the position he's
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  playing. Well, it's not even a position,
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  right? He's all over the place like and
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  you know, that happened obviously last Sunday.
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  We were there and I, I know Scott, you were very vocal about
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  that during the game and afterwards and rightly.
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  I mean anything else you wanted to add regarding like how he was
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  on the pitch in terms of like positionally or did he have a
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  position? It's good with the stats that
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  you can see the heat map. He's all over the place.
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  He's like a headless chicken and he and he's been that for a
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  number of months. And this is where Ruben is
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  saying that he's a #8 #8 is a centre midfielder and he can't
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  play that position because he doesn't stay there.
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  And that's where you need a player that's got that ability.
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  But also it's that the bloody word I use this morning.
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  But it was kind of you've got to be so disciplined in that
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  position that you don't go left back, you don't go right back.
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  You've got to play that centre midfield position as that, but
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  he's all over the place, he's everywhere.
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  And I think this is Bruno as a #10 You can let him do what you
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  want. And now that we've got multiple
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  number 10s is that he's no longer that kind of focal point.
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  So I look at it and kind of go, yes, he has to play a different
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  role as a #8 which is probably not like him because he's no
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  longer that focal point, that person.
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  Everything goes through. He's got two players ahead of
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  him now are really excited that everyone's talking about.
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  I think he's that petulant that he's probably looking at that
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  and going well, I'm no longer the main man, they're not.
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  They're no longer using me as everything that goes through me
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  and the focal point of a football game kind of things.
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  I just think he's that type of player, that type of person that
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  he will start throwing his toys out of the pram.
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  And if, if there is an offer, tell me what the offer is, the
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  flight number, we'll get him there.
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  Because you'll be driving, you'll be driving the plane,
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  Scott. Well, the thing I did think that
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  you were asking for a #8 and we're talking and I will
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  probably talk mainly later, but I look at it and kind of go, we
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  know our centre midfield position is weak as what it is
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  now. You look at Casameres, probably
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  doesn't look like he's going, he's probably got a year left at
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  best. And then you look at the other
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  two midfields, there's still question marks around you got
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  to, even though I rate them highly, mainly you should be in
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  the 1st 11 full stop. There shouldn't be even an
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  argument about it, but there's still that question mark of a
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  cinema fielder and whoever that may be, believer or whatever.
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  You've got 100 million for your 30 year old X #10 take it.
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  Go sign believer and have a core midfield that can be disciplined
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  and play in those positions. Where I want to go back to
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  Carlos Believer in a bit when we talk about maybe transfers
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  because I've got my own take on that having watched another
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  game. But I guess like moving it on
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  slightly because you guys have covered it in terms of how we
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  started and how we ended. Unless Steve, you wanted to
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  mention anything else. So obviously after the game
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  there was a couple of quotes from Fulham.
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  So Marco Silva was talking about the game plan and then Alex
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  Hawaii. The quote is we knew that we
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  would be able to get behind their two midfielders and that
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  their centre backs would want to jump.
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  So we talked a lot about this for the first couple of weeks
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  regarding the pod, as you were very vocal on 2 in the middle
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  being OK, you didn't even care apparently at one point in terms
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  of like who Bruno's partner going to change your mind on
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  that? No, I do care about who Bruno's
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  partner is. I think that's the big weakness
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  in this team. The the holding midfielder
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  position's an issue and and I feel sorry for Bruno because
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  he's getting asked to do just too many jobs and he's
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  everywhere and he does need to calm down.
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  So I agree with Scott, like positionally, it's never been
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  his strength. It's it's always a trade off
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  with players, right. No, there's no perfect
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  footballer in the world. Even Ronaldo and Messi, right,
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  didn't do their defensive job or their pressing or whatever.
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  You always have trade-offs at the moment and Bappe Harland of
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  the the Goats and you know, Harlan to link play isn't that
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  great and Mbappe's defensive work, etcetera.
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  So I feel sorry for Bruno because not having that partner
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  in midfield is an issue. I I kind of laughed at the
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  reaction to the silver and Iwobi quotes.
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  It's like it sounded like old Fulham somehow dominated the
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  game and they, you know, it was like, no, it was an even game.
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  I think a draw was a fair result.
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  We were on top at certain periods.
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  I thought we actually, my concern was more, I actually
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  think we played the first half well.
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  It was more the second-half when the changes are made and we
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  lost. Casamira comes off the pitch who
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  can't last because he's just not got the legs anymore.
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  I know Scott, you mentioned Agarte.
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  I'd love you to talk more about Ugarte because I think he's been
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  quite poor at United and I, I felt like we need the one thing
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  I'd say Reuben versus 10 Hog is he, I think he analysed the game
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  well and he said, oh, when once we'd scored the goal, we lost
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  our heads. We didn't try and control the
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  game. We got nervous and we were
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  trying to protect the result. But I also felt he himself with
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  his substitutions, I was going to say maybe, he said he
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  contradicts. Himself.
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  Maybe, maybe no no, because this is the thing I'm trying.
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  To think he did, he did. I'll tell you why I contradicted
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  himself because he put, he said we were thinking about the
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  result and then he goes and makes substitutions where he
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  takes off Ahmad puts on Dallow, he takes off mount and puts on
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  Agate. So automatically his formation,
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  his tactics, his team line up is about trying to protect the
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  results. So he himself is doing that, yet
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  he's putting on his players. Well, actually, if you set the
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  team up in that way and make decisions in that way to try and
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  protect the result, what do you think is going to happen?
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  Your players are going to perform in that.
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  Way so I, I, I basically agree with you.
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  So I was like, that makes no sense.
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  Obviously in my imaginary mind, I had a conversation with Reuben
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  and trying to work out what does it how, how does this make
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  sense? And I think how it makes sense
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  is he saw the team doing this and then he did the wrong thing.
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  So I, I felt his substitutions. I'm with you, Ron.
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  I didn't like his substitutions. It almost was like he sensed the
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  team needed more defensive stability and therefore bought
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  those players on. But it made baited the problem
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  and then Fulham got on top. While I felt like up to that
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  point we were the better team, I felt like our goal was pure
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  luck. I was like, wow, we got some
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  luck for once, but I felt it was deserved.
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  We should have been leading at that point.
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  Yeah, based on the chance problem.
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  The goal, yeah, but then from the goal was the bit where I
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  felt like when he made the changes, Casimira off the one
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  you mentioned, Dallow for Ahmad wasn't having a good game, but
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  Dallow, terrible mistake on the goal.
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  We don't track the run. Bruno Bruno Bruno's not trucking
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  as well. You look at on the goal it was 3
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  and Bruno but. That's the problem, guys.
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  Like that's all Bruno's. Exactly.
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  That's not Bruno's role there, guys.
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  And this is the. Point why you shouldn't be
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  playing central you. Have to play your you have to
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  play your best players in the best positions.
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  Like football's a real simple game.
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  Like this guy's almost back to the starting lineups for the
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  last two weeks. Like we're playing with no
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  striker. Well, I think as to your point
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  then I think we can we can roll it back.
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  So if we talk about strategy and we rolled it back to the start
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  of the transfer window, if you had 200 million, so you know the
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  start of the window, I think none of us knew.
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  And I include all funds in that. How much budget do we truly
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  have? You know, financially we're
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  going through a crisis, we're going through redundancies,
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  we're laying people off left, right and centre.
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  Have we got any money to spend this window?
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  Well, I'm telling you now, we've got 200 million to spend in this
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  window without making a single player sale, generating any
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  income from any sales. How do you go about spending
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  that 200 million when you've got Bruno, you've got Mason Mount,
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  you've got Amad, you've got players that can play in the
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  number 10. Well, I'll tell you what you do.
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  You go and spend that money, the bulk of it on two number 10's
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  and Boemo and Kunya and that all of a sudden you're presenting
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  yourself with a problem because your best player last season and
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  for many a year over the last three, Four Seasons has been
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  Bruno Fernandez. And all of a sudden now because
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  you've brought in those two number 10s, you now need to drop
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  Bruno back back into central midfield.
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  So you've created this problem and actually the budget that you
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  had when let's be honest, you know, we scored, if you look at
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  our goals in the last two or three seasons, we scored 44
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  goals last season. I think we scored 53 or
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  something the year before. So clearly goals is a problem in
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  this team. So yes, I can understand the
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  need to try and, you know, create and, and, and look at
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  those attacking areas and we've done that.
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  But actually, fundamentally you need a number 9, you need a
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  centre forward and we've signed Cesco now.
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  But you've created this problem because you were best player in
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  the last few seasons. Bruno Fernandez is now having to
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  drop back into central midfield. If he's going to play central
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  midfield this season, I really can't see us going anywhere.
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  Just look, look, if you look at the options though, look at the
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  options they had because he had out of out of what is it 9 Subs
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  and one's a goalkeeper is it? I think, yeah.
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  So out of his eight on field, off play off on field players 6
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  are defensive, he's got no options.
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  So what is it? So this is what it's going to be
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  like every every game he changes 2 Senate backs, he brings on
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  Dalla or Amad depending on who started and he's got one forward
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  attacking player. He's got no other attacking
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  players whatsoever within the team.
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  So. We know, we know what he does
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  when he wants to try and win a game.
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  He sticks on Harry Maguire. Very late.
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  Scott's made it actually a really relevant point, which is
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  like a lot of people are saying, oh, why did we sign all these
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  attackers? But now Scott's saying, yeah,
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  but we still needed those attackers because if we didn't
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  sign those guys, we wouldn't have enough attackers.
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  But that's also because Reubens isolated players, Kobe man who
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  can't get on the pitch. Marcus Rashford's left.
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  Ganacho is nowhere. His pitch is all on Dick.
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  And Mason, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to call it now.
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  I think Kunia is a massive upgrade on Garnacha.
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  Absolutely love him. I think he's a brilliant player.
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  But you don't have Garnacha as a bench option either.
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  That's the point. No, but we have to sell Garnacha
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  to fight. Like Ron mentioned, we don't
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  have the budget. So like really, Garnacha is
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  getting sold, right? Anthony's getting sold,
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  Rashford's wages are off and he's option to buy.
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  They're going. They're not part of the squad
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  now. They're not part of the squad.
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  I love Kunia, I think he's a great, great player, I think.
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  And Burmo when Bumo, sorry, we should be calling him finance,
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  but Imbue doesn't look, doesn't look fully up to, you know,
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  Brian big Brian is isn't fully up to speed in my opinion.
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  He looks, but we know he's Prem proven.
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  We've seen him at Brentford once he gets going and Chesco,
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  clearly he's getting eased in as well.
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  And I think we need a number 9 and I think hopefully he'll
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  start tomorrow, get going, get that focal point.
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  And then on the point of Bruno, you know, Scott's hit the nail
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  on the head. At some point he's going to be
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  he. We need to have a succession
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  plan to Bruno either that I personally want it to be next
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  summer. I think I'd like him to have
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  another season because I just want the stability at the club
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  for one summer, one season now and then next summer.
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  But. If I if I offered you, if I
• 19:27
  offered you, Carlos Belaba, if we sold Bruno, would you dare?
• 19:32
  I think the team is stronger. The biggest problem, So I know
• 19:39
  like, you know, we can talk about systems because there's a
• 19:41
  lot of debate on Twitter around the system, right?
• 19:44
  The 343 and the 442 or the 4231, the four, three, all these
• 19:48
  systems, they all fall down because we don't have a good
• 19:51
  midfield. So it doesn't matter what system
• 19:53
  you play, you still don't have the midfielders.
• 19:55
  So I think it does matter. I'd like to.
• 19:56
  Compensate with with others I'd like to.
• 19:58
  Question that. I think with a 433, I think our
• 20:02
  midfield improves dramatically and by that I would say even if
• 20:05
  we don't sign a single midfield player now, between now and the
• 20:08
  end of the window, Casimera, Shrek, Agate, pick one from
• 20:12
  there as your number six menu plays in the number 8.
• 20:16
  And Bruno Fernandez plays in the number 10.
• 20:18
  That automatically is an upgrade on the midfield that we are
• 20:21
  currently presenting over the last two opening Premier League
• 20:24
  games. Yeah, but now you're working the
• 20:25
  centre back. So you're, we've seen it under
• 20:28
  10 hug, we concede a lot more shots and concede more chances.
• 20:31
  So yeah, you'll have a better mid.
• 20:32
  You football's a game of 11 players.
• 20:34
  You don't have 1213, right? If you give up a midfielder, you
• 20:39
  get a centre back. If you, I think you're
• 20:41
  forgetting Euro, Lenny Euro fully fit and now that he's had
• 20:45
  a season under his belt, I think he's going to be phenomenal.
• 20:48
  So I think. Don't you want an attacking team
• 20:50
  as that's what you said last week, you were like screw it,
• 20:53
  right? Like we we want more go goals.
• 20:55
  So just play. I mean, the Premier League is
• 20:57
  already evolving. We've talked about it, right?
• 20:59
  It's going on one-on-one defending.
• 21:01
  So we've just got to trust Euro Delete is fit and he's playing
• 21:07
  decent. Like, you know, you had a great
• 21:09
  game against Arsenal. Phenomenal.
• 21:11
  Grey against Jokaros and up until the goal yesterday he was
• 21:16
  decent. So why?
• 21:18
  Why don't we just play 2 Santa backs?
• 21:20
  I've seen it under 10 Haagen and this I, I feel like our
• 21:23
  defenders are better suited to the back through I think
• 21:25
  Lisandro Shaw, Mazrawi, Delict, McGuire, Heaven, all of them are
• 21:33
  better. Suited so you think with a back
• 21:35
  2 will be trying you know the ping pong at all like basketball
• 21:40
  style 10 hog football was in the second season.
• 21:44
  You think that will happen again?
• 21:45
  The midfield is breached because Menu and Bruno are weak
• 21:48
  defensively, so you've got Agarti.
• 21:50
  Once that's breached, you're against two players.
• 21:53
  You're you're under threat, your goals more under threat, I
• 21:55
  think. Reubens got into your head then
• 21:57
  because like mainly. It's not.
• 21:58
  It's not Reuben. Mainly better than mainly is
• 22:00
  better than than you're saying like I think everyone they get
• 22:04
  it now. Defensively, he's not AS.
• 22:06
  He's not quick. He's not as bad though.
• 22:09
  He's not as bad though as Reubens making out because like,
• 22:12
  you know, even. He's trying to motivate him,
• 22:14
  right? Like he's he's.
• 22:15
  Doing a Really. Shit job of it then, because
• 22:17
  like he wants, he wants to leave the club, like that's his
• 22:20
  boyhood club. The, the, the, the, the thing I,
• 22:23
  you know, I, I, I'm more a 433 guy generally, but I'm saying
• 22:28
  that we need to sign a midfielder.
• 22:30
  Whatever the system, you need the holding midfielder.
• 22:33
  Obviously no, but this goes back to Ron's point, right?
• 22:37
  You, you at the start of the window, you, you, you look at
• 22:39
  your squad and you say what do we need?
• 22:41
  St midfield was one of the key positions.
• 22:43
  Do you remember why? Why, why did we go and let Bruno
• 22:46
  decide his future? Yeah.
• 22:47
  Do you remember, do you remember, Steve, when we were
• 22:50
  discussing which player we could bring back and you were like, of
• 22:52
  all the players in the whole of history, said Michael Carrick.
• 22:55
  And I'm like, you know what? That isn't the most ridiculous
• 22:58
  thing. And I was like, we need to sign
• 23:00
  Adam Wharton because to me, he's the next Carrick.
• 23:02
  Yeah, so. But yeah, now, now you're
• 23:06
  thinking of why should we let Bruno decide his future?
• 23:08
  Because that's the right thing to do.
• 23:10
  Because you can't go. Oh Bruno, fuck off to Saudi.
• 23:13
  Why would you ask Bruno? Why would happen to bigger
• 23:16
  players than Bruno? Yeah.
• 23:17
  Why not? Yeah, Yeah.
• 23:18
  Well, I think it's you're making a point about you can't play 2
• 23:22
  at the back. So back 4 is we're saying that
• 23:26
  we can't play that. No, no, it's not that we can't.
• 23:29
  I think you still need to sign holding midfield well I think.
• 23:31
  Yeah. But we we know that we're.
• 23:32
  Still going to sign and holding midfield, but I look at I look
• 23:34
  at it and kind of go the the current formation, you do not
• 23:39
  have a left wing back. You do not have a right wing
• 23:41
  back that can play left wing back and right wing back.
• 23:45
  They are very, very defensive. Ahmad is not a right wing back.
• 23:49
  Dalla is not a right wing back, the same with our left hand
• 23:52
  side. Sure is probably the only one
• 23:55
  that I can you could say who can play left wing back because he's
• 24:00
  got that attacking ability. With and that was five years
• 24:02
  ago, Scott. Yeah, he's not like that.
• 24:04
  Bull Go is good but again he's attacking ability you're still.
• 24:07
  He's 20. So he's so I look at him and
• 24:10
  kind of go, we've got players that cannot play this formation.
• 24:15
  He's just gone and spent 200 + 1,000,000 on a formation that
• 24:19
  he's still stuck with. Actually, you're saying he
• 24:22
  hasn't sold? He hasn't sold sorted the
• 24:24
  midfield out. He's got left two wing backs but
• 24:28
  we've got no players that can play that role.
• 24:31
  I think the good thing is that I think this squad is actually
• 24:36
  fine if if we move change manager like you guys can
• 24:39
  suggest other managers to a bat. I think the squad's actually
• 24:41
  fine. You can put put together A-Team
• 24:43
  all that. My only point, and you can
• 24:45
  disagree with this if you want or not, is you still need to
• 24:48
  sign a bloody midfield and and everyone agrees.
• 24:50
  We don't agree with that. Everyone agrees.
• 24:52
  And therefore this is everyone agrees the system's not working
• 24:54
  just 'cause we don't have a midfielder and then no, that's.
• 24:57
  No, I don't know. I disagree.
• 24:59
  The point the. System won't work 'cause we
• 25:00
  won't have a midfielder you. Lose.
• 25:02
  No, but you compensate. So you know, for example, you
• 25:05
  got two in the middle at the moment, right?
• 25:07
  If you play 231 or three, three, at least you have another body.
• 25:12
  And in, you know, in Steve's case in particular, at least
• 25:15
  Kobe's playing and he's not, you know, trying to leave the club.
• 25:19
  Like that's got to be better. That's got to be better than
• 25:23
  playing an extra sensor back Steve, right?
• 25:25
  It has to be. It wasn't under 10 Hug.
• 25:29
  Yeah, but 10 hugs gone so. Like, no, what I'm saying is
• 25:32
  it's shown that that that our our midfield, our front press is
• 25:36
  still not good. It ends up you end up at the
• 25:38
  centre back position, right? You end up defending the penalty
• 25:41
  box with two players. Now the only club that seems to
• 25:45
  be able to do this is Liverpool because Virgil Van Dyke seems to
• 25:49
  be doing like the job of two players.
• 25:51
  Like he watched the Newcastle game.
• 25:52
  They were constantly briefed, Newcastle were constantly at
• 25:55
  them and Van Dyke was putting out fires.
• 25:57
  We don't have Van Dyke. To me, they're two different
• 26:01
  points, what you're making right.
• 26:02
  We need a midfielder. All five of us agree with that,
• 26:05
  but I think at least four of us are saying compensate by playing
• 26:09
  free in the middle, whether it's two in the pivot or one in the
• 26:12
  pivot and then you have an 8 and a 10.
• 26:14
  And then you'll lose it. You'll lose at centre back is
• 26:16
  all I'm saying. So it's not it's.
• 26:18
  That's fine because you, like you said last week, who cares?
• 26:22
  Because we're going to attack more and probably have more
• 26:24
  chances. So we'll we should score goals.
• 26:26
  Now I was just going to say, I mean, I think the reason behind
• 26:29
  that is because there's so many other areas that you are
• 26:31
  compromising in playing this back three system.
• 26:34
  You know, the wing backs, we just don't have wing backs,
• 26:37
  central midfield, playing those, playing the two in this
• 26:40
  formation just doesn't work. Then we've got the likes of
• 26:43
  Emboymo and Cunha. Emboymo, last season, his best
• 26:45
  work came off the touchline at Brentford.
• 26:48
  Now you're playing him as an inverted #10 that's not his
• 26:50
  position. I'm not saying he won't do well
• 26:52
  this season because he's a good enough player to adapt to it,
• 26:54
  but actually his best position was off the flank coming in and
• 26:57
  then doing his best work there for Brentford.
• 26:59
  So there's so many other areas that unfortunately we're
• 27:01
  compromising by not playing, you know, to your point showed as
• 27:05
  having this extra defender. I wouldn't do that.
• 27:07
  I just want to take it back. Steve, I wanted to ask you, if
• 27:09
  we have the £200 million that we know we have at the moment to
• 27:13
  spend the start of this window, would you have gone and bought 2
• 27:16
  number 10s? Interested to hear your
• 27:17
  thoughts. No, I think the one position I
• 27:21
  would have said at the start of the window and I think we could
• 27:23
  probably listen back to recordings in Bilbao, is
• 27:25
  striker. That was the number one
• 27:27
  position, I think I said, and a lot of people said so obviously
• 27:30
  we got the striker in the end in Chesco.
• 27:33
  But I think thinking back, you know, goalkeeper we weren't too
• 27:37
  happy with at the start of the window, right centre midfield.
• 27:41
  I think yeah, it would have been one of the positions.
• 27:44
  But in terms of priority, I think I was thinking striker,
• 27:47
  goalkeeper, and then probably, yeah, centre midfield would have
• 27:52
  been in the mix, yeah, to, to, to address.
• 27:54
  And it doesn't really feel like we've addressed any apart from
• 27:57
  Striker, you know? So it feels like we've created
• 28:00
  more problems than we've solved, I'd say.
• 28:03
  Philip, the biggest flaw that we've got is the lack of goals
• 28:06
  is in the last couple of seasons 44 goals, I think 57.
• 28:10
  I've just checked the stats, 57 the year before that, 58 in fact
• 28:13
  the year before that and then 57 the year before that.
• 28:16
  So in the last Four Seasons United have not scored more than
• 28:19
  sixty goals in a Premier League season over 38 games.
• 28:22
  So clearly the issue is we don't score enough goals and for me,
• 28:25
  and we've all played football, yes, of course the score calls.
• 28:27
  You need a good striker, you need a good attack.
• 28:29
  But actually the build up play from the back is essential.
• 28:32
  Not having good enough midfield to then feed the front men, the
• 28:36
  number 10's, the wingers, you know, you're #9 that's where it
• 28:39
  comes from. And to go and spend the 200
• 28:42
  million on that in that attack and not address and balance the
• 28:46
  team up in midfield is a huge, huge error.
• 28:50
  Two points to you Ron, this is interesting.
• 28:52
  One is you said we would you sign these number 10s but but
• 28:55
  now he said we need goals. We signed two of the best goal
• 28:59
  scorers in the Premier League last season.
• 29:00
  So isn't that a good thing? You've got to feed them.
• 29:03
  You've got to feed them as you've.
• 29:05
  Got to feed now here's the next point.
• 29:06
  This is what I really actually wanted to get to is the the the
• 29:10
  442 system that you'll have of Delict, Euro, Ugate and Mayne
• 29:18
  who can't pass the ball so they won't get the ball forward.
• 29:20
  No, I think, I think we need to sign, which is why at #6 we've
• 29:23
  got to buy. Four can pass the ball.
• 29:25
  What is this about Kobe Mayne? Who what that that I shouldn't
• 29:29
  slag off our own ex admin since since I'm technically
• 29:32
  represented by him. But he tweeted Karl Anker with
• 29:36
  this little 2 minute segment where Karl Anker's talking to
• 29:39
  Kobe Mayne who can't make 2030 yard Bulls.
• 29:42
  Do me a favour, Kobe Mayne could make those passes in his sleep.
• 29:46
  The talent that he's got, you're telling me he can't be coached
• 29:49
  to make 20 to 30 yard passes? I'd back most of us 5:00 to be
• 29:53
  able to make them passes, let alone someone with Kobe Main
• 29:56
  who's talent. So don't tell me Kobe Main who
• 29:58
  can't take the ball off the centre backs and get it into the
• 30:00
  final third. Whether that's through passing,
• 30:02
  dribbling, turns. The guy is so talented.
• 30:06
  So I'm not having that that he can't be that number 8 that
• 30:09
  moves the ball forward. This goes back to coaching,
• 30:12
  right, and you know, as we'll have a good laugh about
• 30:15
  coaching. But Arnie slot he he had Ryan
• 30:18
  Gravenberg who wasn't a number six and he made him into one.
• 30:21
  So again, do you, as Roy Keane would say, do your fucking job.
• 30:26
  Yeah, but that's the thing, right?
• 30:27
  Gravenberg is doing it through carrying like Kobe.
• 30:29
  He's not. He's not passing line.
• 30:31
  No, he, he is passing like that. That's that's.
• 30:35
  Because he can make the basic passes.
• 30:37
  No, but so but great you were talking about Gravenberg.
• 30:40
  Let's go back, back to the Arsenal game, right?
• 30:42
  The passes that Carl Anka's talking about is Casimiro Long
• 30:46
  to Embermo, Bruno Fernandez and Mason Mountain.
• 30:50
  Those those big switch pass. Kobe mainly doesn't do the big
• 30:53
  switch pass yet. He can guess what we lost.
• 30:57
  Does it matter what we did? We lost.
• 30:59
  Yes, it does. It didn't work.
• 31:01
  It didn't work. It did.
• 31:03
  Did with the better team? No, but it.
• 31:05
  Didn't. No, you can be a bad.
• 31:06
  It worked. It did.
• 31:07
  A bad team. It didn't work.
• 31:08
  No, this is the one thing I will fundamentally disagree with
• 31:11
  people on. Do not look at the result.
• 31:13
  Football is a 38 game thing. Sometimes you you're the better
• 31:16
  team and you lose bad luck. It's not.
• 31:20
  It's process driven. No it isn't.
• 31:22
  You get 3 points for a win. Manager you get fired results.
• 31:26
  Fired without results. If you're a manager, you get
• 31:28
  fired if you don't get results. So it is a result.
• 31:30
  Process not the proven industry, but it's just the.
• 31:32
  Results come from the process. No, the results come from the
• 31:35
  process. Yeah, but if a manager has the
• 31:37
  process but doesn't get results, he gets fired, right?
• 31:40
  100%. There you go.
• 31:41
  So it is results driven. But you need to have a process
• 31:45
  to get the result. If you're the better team, you
• 31:47
  generally win football matches. So how did Jose Mourinho do be
• 31:51
  so successful over a number of years?
• 31:53
  Because he. Didn't care about performances.
• 31:54
  It was about result. It's about winning.
• 31:57
  Yeah, but he was the better team.
• 32:00
  He not. All the time?
• 32:01
  No, not all the time. I saw a number of games When
• 32:03
  When Jose Mourinho. You know what, Ash, Ash, Ash
• 32:06
  made a really good point actually on our WhatsApp and
• 32:08
  he's bang on. You also need a bit of luck and
• 32:12
  I think Ruben's an unlucky manager.
• 32:14
  Yeah, he's definitely got the David Moyes.
• 32:16
  That was such a good point you made.
• 32:18
  I was like, you know what, You're you're spot on.
• 32:20
  The amount of times I've watched a game where it's close and I'm
• 32:23
  like how we won this under 10, I don't understand how we won the
• 32:27
  game. No, no, no, Ron, I'm not saying
• 32:29
  I, no, no, no, no. Let me, just let me, just let me
• 32:33
  just make the David Moyes point so everyone understands it
• 32:36
  correctly. Then you can come in.
• 32:37
  So all I said was, and I think I said it to you, Ron, after the
• 32:40
  Arsenal game, I've even watched 28 games and Scott bear with me
• 32:45
  having watched 28 games last season, right?
• 32:48
  Look in, in isolation, there were moments in all these bloody
• 32:52
  games that we lost in, true, where if we had scored, you
• 32:56
  never know, right? I'm all I was like thinking on
• 32:59
  the way back from Old Trafford, I was like, he's like David
• 33:03
  Moyes in that, that moment that needed to go his way like.
• 33:07
  Bilbao, right? They've had a few.
• 33:09
  Yeah, that's what I mean, right. Like, look, go back to Jason
• 33:11
  Marino, 2004, Old Trafford, Paul skulls offside, wins the
• 33:14
  Champions League, right? Those types of things.
• 33:16
  Look, I'm not saying Rubens going to go and do that, but I'm
• 33:19
  just saying these little things in sports, it's not just in
• 33:22
  football. These little things in sports,
• 33:23
  you need them to go your way. And look, Ron, I know you're
• 33:27
  interested to say the process is shit.
• 33:28
  I agree, but it's just those little moments like if they
• 33:32
  don't go your way it makes it even worse.
• 33:34
  Like seven wins in is it 28 or 20?
• 33:37
  Nine games, I'm, I'm going to challenge that and say I'm
• 33:39
  looking at the data set. You know, if this was five
• 33:41
  games, six games, I can take your point about luck.
• 33:44
  You know, if I was a new manager today and I walked into a
• 33:46
  football club. It's not a big thing though.
• 33:47
  Like it's, it's a, it's a marginal thing.
• 33:50
  He's had 29. I know Premier League games.
• 33:53
  He's. Won and he's in the bottom three
• 33:54
  if it's Australia. Game season he's lost 7 right?
• 33:57
  His win ratio is 24.1%. That is the same win ratio as
• 34:01
  Neil Warnock. If I multiply that out over over
• 34:04
  this over a couple of seasons, Neil Warnock had 112 games, 27
• 34:08
  wins, same percentage, 24%. Guess what?
• 34:10
  He got relegated twice. This is not about luck.
• 34:13
  This is just you've got the data.
• 34:15
  You've got, you know the timeline of 27 games.
• 34:18
  Now if we were to 2029 games, if we were to multiply this out
• 34:21
  over 38 games, you know he'd be on 36 points.
• 34:23
  He's averaging less than one point a game.
• 34:26
  I'm not going to set a point about luck.
• 34:29
  This is just, I totally agree with that tactics and frankly,
• 34:32
  he's a bit out of his depth at the moment.
• 34:33
  Playing this three at the back. It's not going to work.
• 34:35
  We've got a good enough team. I think, you know, let's have a
• 34:38
  manager that can play 433 and I think we'll finish in top 6.
• 34:42
  Ron, I totally agree with that. I'm just saying, right, if
• 34:45
  you're the board, right when you look at it, you say all of that
• 34:50
  stuff that you just mentioned, but when you like zoom in and
• 34:56
  that's, that's the point, like when you look at these games,
• 34:59
  look, I'm sure you know, when people listen to this pod,
• 35:03
  they're going to be like, well, what about this chance for the
• 35:05
  opposition? I, I, I understand.
• 35:07
  All I'm saying is, though, in isolation, there were moments
• 35:11
  Steve's just touched on it, like if the Courier doesn't have
• 35:14
  like, you know, a decent game in the Europa final, we had the
• 35:17
  better chances. I'm not saying like that means
• 35:21
  Reuben's super unlucky and like keep him.
• 35:23
  I'm just saying when you look at it in like in like in isolation,
• 35:28
  certain points or certain games and you look at a moment in
• 35:32
  time, if we score X happens, right?
• 35:35
  It's like the Harry Maguire goal against Leon, right?
• 35:37
  He got that moment and he hasn't had enough of those.
• 35:40
  I think any any managers to be successful needs an element of
• 35:43
  luck. Look, Fergie over the years had
• 35:44
  that pot, but a lot fair enough. I'm not I'm not telling you
• 35:46
  don't need a bit of luck. Fair enough.
• 35:48
  But generally speaking, you make your own luck and we've got a
• 35:51
  good data that had 29 Premier League games is almost a season.
• 35:56
  You know, as I said to you, he's averaging less than a point a
• 35:58
  game. It's not good enough.
• 36:00
  That is not acceptable as a United manager.
• 36:02
  There's there's two things. One is you're right, but I'm
• 36:06
  looking at this as a fresh start because it's a whole new squad
• 36:09
  and a new start that so that that's one thing.
• 36:12
  But I totally agree with you. Like if you include last season,
• 36:15
  shocking, it's absolutely shocking on, on, on Ash's point,
• 36:20
  I'll quickly just make a quick point in that if you've read how
• 36:23
  to win the Premier League, the Ian Graham book, he makes the
• 36:26
  point of this variance. There's just variance that he
• 36:29
  makes the .0. We hired Jurgen Klopp and he was
• 36:31
  like 17th, but we looked at the data and it was like, oh, on the
• 36:35
  XG, it's not that bad. And I it's the same thing with
• 36:38
  us. We, we last season we scored 10
• 36:41
  less goals than we should have by XG.
• 36:42
  And it's, that's not a manager, it's just variance.
• 36:44
  And I hope the, the, you know, the, the, that evens out and it
• 36:50
  should even out a bit. It'll still put us last season
• 36:53
  mid table and mid table's not good enough.
• 36:55
  But we weren't the 5th. We, you know, we're basically
• 36:57
  solidly mid table. We should be a top six team.
• 37:00
  However, if we play like we did against Arsenal for the next 10
• 37:04
  games, we will win more of those games and lose them.
• 37:08
  The sample size for me is 445 minutes of football, of which I
• 37:13
  think three were good and 1 was bad.
• 37:15
  That's how I'm looking at it. Can I ask a question then on XG
• 37:19
  and I guess like the trajectory if we don't beat Burnley, what
• 37:23
  do we say then in terms of like we're looking at the data, the
• 37:27
  data's point in here, but to Scott and Ron's point, haven't
• 37:31
  got the results. It's a.
• 37:32
  Process. Apparently we've got to follow
• 37:34
  the. Results.
• 37:35
  It's about process if. If yeah, it's it's it literally
• 37:38
  is that if if we perform well and we're unlucky, you'd be
• 37:41
  like, well, dude, ball didn't go in net.
• 37:44
  Cunha hits the post, Bruno hits the penalty over the bar, Ball
• 37:46
  doesn't go in net. If we play badly against
• 37:49
  Burnley, if we start playing like we played last season, it's
• 37:53
  clear he's gone in one of the international breaks, right?
• 37:56
  The performance is the key and we played well against Arsenal.
• 38:00
  We were the better team against Arsenal.
• 38:02
  The midfield wasn't swamped against Arsenal, The first half
• 38:05
  against Fulham, If you look at it, the moment Mason Mountain,
• 38:08
  Casimira go off the pitch, we lose control of the game because
• 38:11
  we don't have. He needs to start winning
• 38:14
  football matches based on the based on the teams in the
• 38:17
  Premier League. Right now, his win ratio is 15%.
• 38:21
  He's beaten City, which is an amazing result away from home,
• 38:24
  he's beaten Bella, he's beaten Everton and he's beaten Fuller.
• 38:27
  That's it. I couldn't care less about how
• 38:29
  we play against Burnley. I want to win a match.
• 38:32
  I want three points on the ball. I want to start going up that
• 38:34
  league table so that when I'm talking to my friends that are
• 38:36
  Arsenal fans, Liverwool fans, Chelsea fans, my brother-in-law
• 38:39
  sports, New Course for goodness sake, and they're going to have
• 38:42
  a better season than us. How hard that is to have those
• 38:45
  conversations with those guys. Monday morning, Scott and I go
• 38:48
  go into work and we're talking to Liverpool fans and we're in
• 38:52
  15th and they're fighting for a league title.
• 38:55
  I want to win football matches. That's what the name of the game
• 38:58
  is. Even Tottenham fans are taking
• 38:59
  the piss out of us now, right Scott?
• 39:01
  Scott, this is, this is done for you, right?
• 39:02
  This was done for you a long time ago.
• 39:04
  It's not it's not changing and it and to us, you can throw all
• 39:07
  the stats, XG, all that crap at me.
• 39:11
  It hasn't changed a thing. All we've done is replace like
• 39:15
  for like. You still haven't solved the
• 39:18
  core of the problem. The core of the problem is those
• 39:20
  seven players behind them. They will not create chances.
• 39:24
  They will not score more goals. Yes, they are better players and
• 39:28
  you're saying that they're an upgrade.
• 39:30
  I agree with that. I love Kuno and they think it's
• 39:32
  brilliant, but you've replaced like for like.
• 39:36
  You're not. You're not creating more, You
• 39:37
  know, you're not going to create more chances, you're not going
• 39:40
  to score more goals because you've got a problem.
• 39:43
  It's those seven behind them. But do you think Scott, like if
• 39:47
  they, if we change to manager with the same seven players and
• 39:51
  Kobe obviously comes in now for one of the centre backs, is that
• 39:53
  a dramatic shift? Yeah, because you you could I
• 39:58
  look at any manager and you look at any of the top world class
• 40:02
  managers that have won things. They do not come in and go, you
• 40:06
  know what, I've got this philosophy.
• 40:07
  I'm going to play 3521, whatever you want to call it, I'm going
• 40:12
  to play this. I don't care who you are, I'm
• 40:14
  going to put you in that position to see if it works or
• 40:17
  fits. They work to the strength of
• 40:20
  that team, but the team that they've got, you work with it
• 40:23
  and say if I've got 3 left backs, what am I going to play?
• 40:27
  Left wing back or left backs. You play to the strength of the
• 40:30
  team as you've got, get the results, build from it, but make
• 40:35
  it over a period of time. That actually says we haven't
• 40:38
  got the city money where, you know, Pet came in and basically
• 40:41
  when I paid 50 million for a left back, didn't work out.
• 40:45
  Six months later he buys another one for 60 million.
• 40:48
  We haven't got that sort of money.
• 40:49
  So I look at it and kind of go, if you're not going to be able
• 40:52
  to completely shift the whole team, then work to its
• 40:55
  strengths. And every single player that
• 40:57
  we've had through the door by Anthony are being decent
• 41:02
  players. They've been badly coached and
• 41:05
  this is what I mean by you've got these players, you've got
• 41:08
  Kuna that that there's potentially a question mark
• 41:11
  about his attitude and his work right when it gets into the
• 41:14
  slumps of, you know, winter and all that kind of stuff.
• 41:17
  And he and he showed signs of that with walls.
• 41:20
  If we start, if there's results go the way that they are going,
• 41:24
  how long does it take for him to kind of go, you know what, I'm
• 41:27
  going to throw my eyes up in the air.
• 41:28
  I'm going to be getting sent off and I'm not going to be putting
• 41:31
  in the effort that he is doing now.
• 41:33
  Players change very quickly and this is what I mean by all we've
• 41:38
  done is replaced like the like. And I mean that in the sense of
• 41:42
  you just we're getting rid of Nacho, you just got replacement
• 41:46
  in. You've not fixed the core
• 41:48
  problem and the core problem, this formation doesn't work.
• 41:53
  It's been proven and it continues to be proven until we
• 41:58
  get results and that results is 678910 plus games on a run and
• 42:06
  it's too late. You've got another season that
• 42:09
  you're going to be finishing while off the table again
• 42:12
  because they can't make the decision.
• 42:14
  Two quick points I wanted to jump on.
• 42:16
  So regarding last season, I can't ignore it because it's
• 42:22
  five Premier League wins this year.
• 42:24
  I just had a look of which, but ones against Southampton, ones
• 42:30
  against Ipswich, ones against Leicester, right?
• 42:33
  So that means Fulham away in January, Martinez deflected goal
• 42:38
  and Aston Villa at Old Trafford and we're going into September,
• 42:44
  so I can't ignore that. The only other thing I wanted to
• 42:47
  mention in terms of like time, time on the training pitch,
• 42:52
  getting used to the club and all this stuff, Barney Slot, like
• 42:56
  everyone's going to bang on about the squad he inherited.
• 42:58
  But you know, I've spoke to a like friend of the pod, Kabir.
• 43:02
  He he was on the pod saying that if Reuben had taken over,
• 43:05
  Liverpool would have finished like 6 seventh.
• 43:07
  I totally agree with that. So I do think it's a manager
• 43:10
  problem. And also you look at the likes
• 43:13
  of what Arnie Slot did with that team.
• 43:15
  He had no signings bar Kiaza and he improves certain players that
• 43:21
  have never played in those positions.
• 43:22
  So don't tell me you can't improve players like Kobe Mane
• 43:26
  and then you look at Thomas Frank, he's adapted in three
• 43:30
  different games. PSG Super Cup, unlucky 22 lost
• 43:34
  on pens, you know, beat Burnley comfortably and then done a
• 43:38
  number on Pep away from home. So you know, like it's all I'm
• 43:43
  Ruben, I'm sorry. You know what's interesting as
• 43:46
  well, just final point is the fact that the narrative, even
• 43:49
  these two games, I don't feel like the the fans are actually
• 43:54
  on the players back. It's like we want the manager to
• 43:57
  do well, but the results aren't coming.
• 44:00
  So like you can keep on like banging on the door in terms of
• 44:04
  like how you played against Arsenal, but if you don't beat
• 44:07
  Burnley because you got to beat Burnley convincingly as well,
• 44:10
  you can't just beat them one nil deflected goal.
• 44:12
  You have to like put in a good performance so you're you're
• 44:16
  smiling. What do you think?
• 44:18
  No, I'm just laughing at the fact that we have to beat
• 44:20
  Burnley. But my.
• 44:21
  My I know and that shouldn't even put that shouldn't be the
• 44:25
  end of it. Just if we even if we won six
• 44:27
  nil and we played incredible football when XG was like 7
• 44:30
  right for the game. You got to do that every week.
• 44:33
  Are you seeming we're going to get through Grimsby, by the way?
• 44:35
  Yeah, exactly. That's the big challenge.
• 44:37
  Yeah, midweek, but that's the real quiz.
• 44:40
  What? What did we expect, guys?
• 44:42
  We hired a manager that plays his formation.
• 44:45
  We knew before he came in he was going to stick to this
• 44:47
  formation. So I actually don't, I don't
• 44:51
  knock Ruben for changing because that's what he is.
• 44:53
  That's what we picked. So again, for me this goes.
• 44:56
  Then he will get fired. Simple as that.
• 44:58
  I I he will eventually, but I think Ineos are too arrogant to
• 45:02
  admit they made a mistake and they'll ride this out until the
• 45:06
  very end. I feel so.
• 45:08
  November. I've I've made this point to you
• 45:11
  guys, I think all of you individually, I think this goes
• 45:13
  back to Ineos 10 Hog was struggling, results weren't
• 45:17
  there. To change and completely
• 45:21
  revisionize the way your football club is going to
• 45:23
  operate and go to a back three system requires a significant
• 45:27
  amount of budget. We don't have the budget to be
• 45:30
  able to do that. You know, we've discussed
• 45:31
  already around the wing backs, you know, the three at the back,
• 45:34
  the midfield that requires significant investment.
• 45:37
  This is not, you know, the 90s or the 2000s where you could buy
• 45:41
  a player for 20 million and brilliant, he's going to be
• 45:43
  great. You're looking at significant
• 45:45
  amounts of millions of pounds, dollars, EUR, call it what you
• 45:49
  want to be invested into this club to completely change the
• 45:52
  way you're going to play. And we haven't got that and any
• 45:56
  us have made the decision to completely change that.
• 45:58
  But then you've got to back it up financially, you've got to
• 46:00
  back it up and spending 200 million in one window isn't
• 46:03
  going to fix it to go from a back or to a back three and
• 46:07
  expect us to be winning so. He needs he needs World Cox and
• 46:11
  he needs so Jim having a word with him and not him to London
• 46:15
  to fuck off and having a word with him saying you need to get
• 46:18
  results. Fuck it up.
• 46:21
  Stop being stubborn about the formation.
• 46:23
  Stop being stubborn the way you want to play football.
• 46:25
  You've got to get results. Don't play.
• 46:27
  Look on him Scott, because when shit he he no, but he said in
• 46:31
  press conferences outright. I'm not changing my thoughts.
• 46:33
  Well, then I'm sorry, but if, if, if, if that's the stance,
• 46:36
  then his philosophy will not win games that he will be, then he
• 46:41
  should be fired. He's not the right fit for us.
• 46:44
  They've made that decision very quickly with other senior
• 46:47
  members within the football club.
• 46:49
  Then why can't they do it with this manager?
• 46:50
  They've made a mistake. They shouldn't have done it by
• 46:54
  one saying is essentially we didn't have the budget, the
• 46:57
  funds, the ability to go find those players and by players to
• 47:01
  suit this formation, to suit this manager.
• 47:04
  But I think I said it is willing to run.
• 47:06
  It's that you can go and buy the very, very best player in every
• 47:12
  single one of those positions. We will still not win football
• 47:15
  games under this manager. We just won't.
• 47:18
  Is is just practically not there.
• 47:22
  Is so naive, is not mature enough and I just don't think he
• 47:26
  understands this Football League, this league, It's above
• 47:31
  everything else. He's come from one of the worst
• 47:34
  European leagues to the league and quite frankly he's coming to
• 47:40
  it. You know, eyes wide shut
• 47:42
  probably. He's a rabbit in a headlight.
• 47:46
  Steve, on your point of him not changing, that's one of the
• 47:51
  reasons why essentially he got ruled out of the Liverpool job
• 47:54
  or, you know, in terms of the running, because he made it very
• 47:57
  clear to them he would not change.
• 48:00
  And he actually wanted more control of the transfer
• 48:04
  recruitment process as well, which he was clearly told that
• 48:07
  that would not be the case. So if he doesn't want to adapt
• 48:11
  in any form in terms of the shape of his teams, then all
• 48:16
  that's going to happen is he'll get fired pretty quickly at
• 48:20
  United. And then he will just go around
• 48:23
  a merry go round, like you know, VS Boas and, and those managers
• 48:27
  around Russia or wherever Saudi and just make money that way.
• 48:32
  Because he's not going to manage any top club if unless like
• 48:36
  everything falls in place for him.
• 48:39
  Looking forward, we all know where we currently are.
• 48:42
  But looking forward, what do you do, Scott?
• 48:44
  Are you saying if you're in charge today you'd fire him?
• 48:49
  Would you? Would you?
• 48:50
  Would you pull the bullet? Yep.
• 48:52
  You had what, 10 Hard had, what, 8-9 games at the start of the
• 48:55
  season? I think that's too late.
• 48:58
  If we're in the same position as we are in 99 games.
• 49:00
  I would be like I told you so, but get rid of him now.
• 49:02
  He's not. It's not working.
• 49:04
  And who you getting, Scott? Anyone that's got about a 25%
• 49:08
  win record, Sean, Sean Daish has got a 34%.
• 49:12
  I'll take that right now. Sean Dykes.
• 49:15
  There he is, There's your man, Exclusive.
• 49:17
  The thing The thing is, I think, I think, I think, I think, I
• 49:20
  think I don't know. Through his Asher has said it
• 49:22
  last on the last part I was on, I think somebody mentioned
• 49:25
  Thomas Frank and I think I frowned.
• 49:27
  I frowned on it. And actually I take that back
• 49:30
  because even in the couple of games that you these played at
• 49:34
  Spurs, the way he's just gone in there and kind of gone, I can
• 49:39
  get the very best out of these players.
• 49:41
  You have a child that he's completely new player.
• 49:44
  He's able to coach players and that's what we need.
• 49:47
  We need a coach that can develop and has a tactical awareness of
• 49:52
  this league that gets you results.
• 49:55
  So I don't know who said it, but whoever did, you were right.
• 49:59
  It was definitely me because the guy, the guy, the guy who below
• 50:05
  was saying that he, what was it like?
• 50:07
  He doesn't inspire you as or something like that.
• 50:10
  I know you. I know you're now going to sit
• 50:11
  on the fence and be like, I, I, I like Thomas Frank, but like,
• 50:15
  yeah, he's not good enough for United, essentially.
• 50:17
  Got the list of boring? Yeah, yeah.
• 50:21
  Exactly. No, I got the same list as Dan
• 50:23
  Ashworth made the guy that you wanted fired.
• 50:25
  Sorry, not fired. So.
• 50:27
  No, I I rate Thomas Frank. I'm wrong.
• 50:29
  You can remember when we were discussing him, Bill Bowers,
• 50:32
  like, oh, I actually like Thomas.
• 50:33
  Frank Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did.
• 50:35
  Yeah. One thing I would say though,
• 50:36
  just calm again. Sample size.
• 50:39
  Burnley, spurs it. Burnley at home, Spurs won that
• 50:43
  game and then the City game, you know, they didn't control the
• 50:46
  ball. They they have a lot of runners
• 50:48
  in their team like it's. Yeah, but they don't have
• 50:51
  passes, so they're. Playing this to control the ball
• 50:54
  away to City is not about controlling the ball.
• 50:56
  So about the results. No, but The thing is, the thing
• 50:58
  with Frank, the question mark on Frank is or with Spurs is to get
• 51:02
  to the top five, which is what the the aim will be.
• 51:04
  It'll be interesting to see right in in more games where
• 51:09
  they have to do that. Why do they have to finish top
• 51:11
  five and United don't then? Well, if you look at my let's
• 51:14
  kick it off predictions, I've got us 5th.
• 51:17
  So I think we should be. We, we should be.
• 51:20
  We should I, I do think we should be.
• 51:22
  Complete. So it is about the results.
• 51:24
  It is about the results. 100% but it's it's also that the you
• 51:29
  know, this problem I saw with with 10 hog was even if we're
• 51:32
  getting the results I'm like, yeah, but we're getting lucky.
• 51:35
  So if we last season unacceptable, not good enough
• 51:39
  performances, not good enough results, not good enough.
• 51:43
  If I see better performances, then I'll be a bit more patient
• 51:47
  to wait for the result. But the result have to you have
• 51:50
  to win games like. It's as simple as that.
• 51:52
  Why is this game different? Why are the two games that we
• 51:55
  played any different to the Europa final?
• 51:57
  Like to me, it's pretty much the same.
• 52:00
  I mean way better. I think we've played way better.
• 52:03
  To me, like Kenya, Kenya is like obviously helped the defence,
• 52:09
  you know, push the line up a bit and you know, that's due to like
• 52:12
  pre season. But like, we look at the Fulham
• 52:15
  second-half, right? As I said, when Casimiro goes
• 52:20
  off and Mount goes off and the Subs go on, we lose can complete
• 52:23
  control of the game. We have to sign a midfielder,
• 52:26
  whoever the next manager is. This squad needs a proper
• 52:30
  midfielder and and I cannot believe that the window closes
• 52:35
  and we don't add some women in midfield.
• 52:37
  But we're making it out as if like there's only Adam Morton
• 52:41
  and Carlos Belay. But like our seven-year old, our
• 52:43
  seven-year old cousin could give you those two names, right?
• 52:47
  Like Paulina has gone to Spurs like the Portuguese mafia.
• 52:52
  Like why didn't we? Why didn't we like do that?
• 52:55
  Like Ron's talking about budget constraints.
• 52:57
  Well, be pragmatic for a season, get him on online with it, like,
• 53:01
  you know, option to buy and we'll buy him.
• 53:04
  I'll give you a He's actually good.
• 53:06
  Douglas Louise has gone to Nottingham first.
• 53:08
  Douglas Louise Also not good enough.
• 53:10
  We, we need to aim. Better than what we have.
• 53:11
  Not good enough like Mason Mount is playing pivot with Bruno in
• 53:16
  the second-half. Exactly, exactly right.
• 53:18
  That this is what I'm saying is like is Paulina and and Douglas
• 53:24
  Louise not an upgrade on that? Because that's our benchmark at
• 53:27
  the moment. No, I the benchmarks Ugarte,
• 53:30
  right And I think they're not much of an upgrade on Ugarte.
• 53:32
  I think Ugarte is pretty much just on the bench, isn't it?
• 53:35
  Like so let's we need. Someone who can, you know, be
• 53:38
  comfortable in possession. Us, us are you, are you willing
• 53:42
  to sell Cobby Mania to get someone like Belabour in, for
• 53:45
  example? Yeah, very worried about that,
• 53:47
  those reports. I think that must be to do with
• 53:51
  his contract situation. No, it's not.
• 53:54
  It's because Reuben doesn't want to play him and he and he, he
• 53:57
  wants to play. It's World Cup.
• 53:58
  Yeah, It's nothing to do with his wages.
• 54:01
  What you what you can keep happening potentially is a loan
• 54:03
  is a loan deal. So we don't a.
• 54:05
  Loan deal, yeah, Not selling though.
• 54:06
  No, no, a loan deal and then likely is Reuben will get fired
• 54:10
  this season and Kobe comes back in the summer under a new
• 54:12
  management. Hopefully January we can't sell
• 54:15
  Kobe. No, we can't.
• 54:17
  We can't sell him or even loan him out.
• 54:19
  Don't we need to sell him to actually fund ACM?
• 54:22
  Right? I don't know his.
• 54:23
  Loan. Well, if we, if we.
• 54:24
  How much are you going to get for him?
• 54:26
  If we can sell Anthony or at least loaner Anthony, Jayden
• 54:30
  Sancho going out. So we should be able to get
• 54:32
  there talking about 50 million bills somewhere, somewhere.
• 54:34
  This is all obligations though, right?
• 54:36
  Like Anthony will be alone, Sancho will be alone and and
• 54:39
  also Sancho's contracts up at the end of the year anyway.
• 54:42
  So he's gone for free basically because he's, he's made it clear
• 54:45
  that, you know, it's not about football for him.
• 54:48
  I was reading that PSR is not an issue.
• 54:50
  In fact though, I think there's another 100 + 1,000,000 to spend
• 54:53
  should we need it on a midfield player.
• 54:55
  You know, and the other thing, the other thing to bear in mind
• 54:58
  is we've just opened the PSR window, right?
• 55:00
  So July to July thing. So you can also sell in January.
• 55:03
  Or before June 30th. June 30th, yeah.
• 55:06
  So like we need to sign someone. One thing I would say is it's
• 55:12
  what I think it was Scott or Ron you were making.
• 55:14
  We didn't know what the budget was.
• 55:15
  They have put their hand in the pocket when we know Jim.
• 55:18
  I think we need another fishing trip to Iceland and Jason's got
• 55:22
  to tell Jim mate, we need another 50 whatever to get a
• 55:25
  midfield. It doesn't have to be Warton or
• 55:27
  Believer, but there are other players out there, Edison,
• 55:30
  Atlanta, Stiller we've been linked with.
• 55:33
  Doesn't that just get you another Agate though?
• 55:35
  Because we paid 50 million on Agate.
• 55:37
  No people who can play on the ball.
• 55:39
  Right. Cobby Maney, I, I, I was looking
• 55:42
  at the numbers. I was really interested to be
• 55:44
  like, does Reuben hate Maney? Has he not been playing?
• 55:46
  I'm sure Maney's been playing. And actually he started 15.
• 55:51
  He was injured for eight, came off the bench in three and
• 55:55
  another. Are you recycling?
• 55:57
  Adam Macolo's. That's it.
• 55:58
  Was it Adam Macolo? Yeah, No, it was.
• 56:01
  Someone tweeted it. I don't know if it was Adam
• 56:02
  Macolo. Yeah.
• 56:03
  Was it Macolo? Yeah, yeah.
• 56:05
  I saw someone else tweet that and I just checked it before the
• 56:07
  pod and I'm like, yeah, he has been playing games.
• 56:11
  So I was really disappointed he didn't come off the bench and I
• 56:14
  am worried with with the many situations.
• 56:16
  I think, I think the wider issue, the wider issue here is
• 56:19
  that even if we do go ahead and spend the money and a few of us
• 56:22
  are saying it on this chat tonight, we don't trust the
• 56:26
  manager to be able to then go out and implement the plan
• 56:29
  because tactically he's inept to do so.
• 56:31
  You know, Ash makes a good point about Thomas Frank.
• 56:34
  Thomas Frank is able to adapt. You know, Ash has mentioned
• 56:36
  three different games that he's played, three different ways to
• 56:39
  get results. This manager is unwilling to
• 56:41
  compromise on his philosophy and to be able to win games you've
• 56:45
  got to be tactically available to be able to change game to
• 56:49
  game and he's failing to do that.
• 56:51
  Disagree with with Scott is he said, you know, good, great
• 56:54
  managers come in and they they're adaptable.
• 56:56
  Pep is not adaptable. Clop is not adaptable.
• 56:59
  Antonio Conte is not adaptable. You know, the Jose Mourinho
• 57:03
  wasn't that adaptable. You know, they have their
• 57:05
  philosophy. Reuben's a bit stubborn as well.
• 57:07
  He has his philosophy. The bit I do agree with is all
• 57:10
  of these managers needed investment.
• 57:13
  Clock took the team clock took was basically nobody apart from
• 57:18
  Trent start that Champions League final.
• 57:20
  Pep just signs player after player.
• 57:22
  Kante does the same, right? He he makes big demands and that
• 57:26
  might be the bit where you're right.
• 57:28
  However, this is what I'm saying, Jim, get your, get your
• 57:31
  fishing rod out or whatever, get the private jet out to ice them
• 57:35
  with Jason. Pull out a little bit of extra
• 57:38
  money. I think I'm looking at that
• 57:41
  Arsenal game and I'm saying, oh, we, you know, they're the best
• 57:45
  midfield in the in the land with Super Mendi, Rice, Odegard and
• 57:49
  we're saying, oh, we're getting dominated.
• 57:51
  No, we dominated them. We controlled the game.
• 57:53
  We had the possession, we had the best chances.
• 57:55
  If we can do that consistently. Like I said, first half against
• 58:00
  Fulham, happy with it. It just dropped off like a Cliff
• 58:02
  in the second. Half I didn't think the Fulham,
• 58:04
  I didn't think the Fulham game was that good.
• 58:05
  I mean, you talk about the first half, the 1st 10 minutes, not
• 58:08
  sure. I thought the first 10 minutes
• 58:10
  with a Kenya hitting the post and obviously the ball from by
• 58:12
  and we had the moment, Bruno's penalty.
• 58:15
  But if you look at that first half, towards the end of that
• 58:18
  first half, Fulham were coming right into the game and it
• 58:20
  reminded me a lot of last season where countless times I was
• 58:23
  counting full at the edge of their box, basically counter
• 58:26
  attacking us, walking through our midfield and at the edge of
• 58:29
  our box within 5 seconds. That game reminded me of last
• 58:33
  season, yeah. It's a really good point and I
• 58:34
  want to say this again is that one the the compensation of
• 58:38
  having the less of midfield as his teams will get to the box.
• 58:41
  The benefit of the back 3 is they don't get as many shots on
• 58:45
  goal. So you're right that there's
• 58:48
  more of an end to end. We don't control the centre of
• 58:50
  the park but we also control the penalty area better and what we
• 58:54
  need to change this season is we need to score more goals in the
• 58:57
  other penalty area. We've signed three players that
• 59:00
  haven't really got well. Kunia's got going and Burmo
• 59:03
  hasn't got going, Cesco hasn't got going.
• 59:05
  I want to give them a little bit of time if when they're going,
• 59:08
  we're still in the same position.
• 59:10
  New manager? No problem.
• 59:12
  You're clearly. You're clearly Reuben in then as
• 59:14
  of now, then as. 100% like we can't change the manager after
• 59:17
  two games guys. Yeah, yeah.
• 59:19
  But I mean, I mean, let's, let's say even in the next couple of
• 59:22
  international breaks for you, you want to ride it out, you
• 59:24
  know, into Christmas at least. Is that what you're saying?
• 59:27
  And the other thing I always say with a manager change is manager
• 59:32
  changes. One is the guy out but who's
• 59:33
  coming in. You guys keep vetoing my Gareth
• 59:36
  Southgate and Kieran McKenna idea.
• 59:39
  If you give me if you give me Southgate, McKenna, Carrick.
• 59:42
  Yeah, Reuben's gone. I'll ask Reuben go to private
• 59:46
  jet. I just want to make a couple of
• 59:48
  points back on on. Scott, let's shake on it.
• 59:57
  You know what I've just realised on this pod?
• 59:59
  Scott does remind me of Sean Daish, so I'm wondering if he is
• 1:00:02
  actually Sean Daish. He.
• 1:00:04
  Wants to say he's a pirate. Go.
• 1:00:06
  On then Ash. Ash, make your points and then
• 1:00:07
  we're going to close with everyone telling us who they're
• 1:00:10
  going to replace Reuben with because I feel us might be the
• 1:00:12
  only one that's Reuben in. So, Ash.
• 1:00:13
  So just regarding everyone banging on about the Arsenal
• 1:00:18
  performance like that can't swing for like 5-6 games, we
• 1:00:22
  can't be referring to that. And also Arsenal scored after 14
• 1:00:25
  minutes, they decided to just give up the ball.
• 1:00:30
  You can talk about the pressing on United side, which is fine,
• 1:00:33
  we did, but Arsenal did also give up the ball.
• 1:00:36
  So that's why we controlled it probably more than it looks like
• 1:00:40
  because you just saw from the Fulham game, second-half we had
• 1:00:43
  no control. And on the point of we need to
• 1:00:46
  score more goals to almost like get out of this cycle of like
• 1:00:51
  not winning games. This reminds me of Louis van
• 1:00:53
  Hull in that because we created very little chances in a
• 1:00:58
  football match, when we do score naturally there's a tendency to
• 1:01:03
  give up the ball anyway and we're not good enough to keep
• 1:01:06
  clean sheets or see out games. And that was even apparent on
• 1:01:11
  Sunday because we got the goal and pretty much unlike Fulham's
• 1:01:15
  first attack with like any penetration, they got free.
• 1:01:20
  And that is what will happen during this tenure with with
• 1:01:24
  Reuben. I should make a great point on
• 1:01:26
  Louis van Gaal 2015 2016 season Louis van Gaal scored 49 goals.
• 1:01:33
  Guess how many goals he scored last season?
• 1:01:35
  44 Very similar. We drew, we drew a lot of games.
• 1:01:40
  I remember that we we went to a lot of games that season and we
• 1:01:43
  had a tendency to go one nil up. And as his mates Mike Smallin
• 1:01:48
  and Daily Blend, they would hold out till about the 80th minute
• 1:01:52
  and then we concede. So I've seen this before.
• 1:01:56
  So like I said, I just hope that the data and everything
• 1:02:00
  transforms into real performances where we start
• 1:02:03
  scoring goals because that's. What's going to happen?
• 1:02:05
  Positive like Ron, aren't you positive on and boom Moose,
• 1:02:09
  Cunya, Cesco? I am.
• 1:02:10
  You haven't seen them yet. You remember when we were
• 1:02:12
  signing and boom, I was super excited.
• 1:02:14
  He's not playing him. I love, I love and boom, I love
• 1:02:16
  Cunya. I've got no problems with those
• 1:02:18
  signings. My point is around the budget.
• 1:02:20
  We know the budget is 200 million.
• 1:02:22
  Would I have gone and spent 200 million on two number 10s when
• 1:02:25
  we had Bruno already in the number 10, We had Mason Mount,
• 1:02:27
  who by the way the manager really likes.
• 1:02:30
  I don't think I would have done that.
• 1:02:31
  You know, I think we need to address the midfield as you
• 1:02:34
  clearly agree. So I just would have used that
• 1:02:36
  money a little bit more wisely given that we've got 6 days of
• 1:02:39
  the window left and we don't have a number six.
• 1:02:42
  We don't even have a goalkeeper. I mean, we haven't even spoken
• 1:02:44
  about the goalkeeper issue. That's a whole different
• 1:02:46
  conversation. I agree, but aren't you looking
• 1:02:49
  forward to seeing those three together finally and hopefully
• 1:02:52
  banging some in? I was there on the first day of
• 1:02:54
  the season to watch Arsenal, super excited.
• 1:02:57
  But to Scott's point, we lost the game, and the game's about
• 1:03:00
  winning. Yeah.
• 1:03:01
  Come then, Ron, tell us, if you're replacing Ruben, who were
• 1:03:04
  the one or two top names on your shortlist?
• 1:03:07
  Oh, I really like Eddie Howe. I think he but what he's done at
• 1:03:14
  Newcastle, he's completely galvanised that football club.
• 1:03:17
  He's got the fans on side, he's playing exciting football, his
• 1:03:20
  school's goal goals, his brand is just brilliant and I just
• 1:03:25
  think that the wheels might come off with the whole ESAC
• 1:03:27
  situation. I can see him going to
• 1:03:29
  Liverpool. They've got Champions League
• 1:03:31
  this season. I'm just not sure how they're
• 1:03:33
  going to do. They'll do better than United,
• 1:03:35
  but I'm just not sure what they're going to quite have the
• 1:03:37
  season they had last year. So I just wonder in the summer
• 1:03:40
  if there's potentially something that could tempt him to to bring
• 1:03:44
  him across to Man United. We can't get him now.
• 1:03:48
  So what do we do in the interim? I do think Ruben won't last a
• 1:03:51
  season. So in the meantime, you know,
• 1:03:53
  we're looking at an interim. I know Scott's going to say
• 1:03:56
  Ollie. So perhaps it's back to Ollie in
• 1:04:00
  the interim until. I've got one.
• 1:04:01
  I've got one for you that Scott would approve of in Turkey,
• 1:04:05
  currently managing. How about Josie?
• 1:04:07
  No, I wouldn't bring him back. No, Sorry, Scott.
• 1:04:11
  It's going to be Sean Daish, unfortunately.
• 1:04:13
  Go on, Scott, tell us you'll give us a better name than Sean
• 1:04:16
  Daish. Come on.
• 1:04:17
  Gelati, let's stick with him. Yeah.
• 1:04:20
  And pine the sky. Yeah, and Gelati.
• 1:04:23
  But I think I'm very Ron, I think Eddie Howe is probably the
• 1:04:27
  top candidate to go and get. They're not going to get in
• 1:04:30
  Southgate, even though I think Southgate would do a quite a
• 1:04:33
  decent job and get us to that next level.
• 1:04:37
  It's a stepping stone with Southgate.
• 1:04:40
  I think I said last time he needs to prove himself like club
• 1:04:44
  football and winning something within club football if you did
• 1:04:49
  a fantastic job at England. But I just don't think they will
• 1:04:53
  go for Southgate, especially with the the scenario and the
• 1:04:58
  the second of the sporting director previously.
• 1:05:01
  So yeah, I think Eddie Howe is probably the best one to go,
• 1:05:06
  although I do like Thomas Frank. Yeah, difficult to get him out
• 1:05:10
  of Spurs. So Ash I assume?
• 1:05:12
  Still, you're boring CUNT #1 on your list.
• 1:05:18
  What Erola? I think if I was to bring in a
• 1:05:24
  manager right now, two games in and we want stability and that's
• 1:05:31
  why I brought the Thomas Frank point up when Scott was last on,
• 1:05:35
  probably I'd go Marco Silva. OK, after that game against
• 1:05:39
  Fulham, he impressed you even more.
• 1:05:40
  So, no, because he was on my list originally, even when 10
• 1:05:43
  Hart was fired, he was he was I can for that.
• 1:05:46
  Yeah. So the data guys like as can go
• 1:05:49
  and speak to cabs and and the rest of the, you know, data
• 1:05:52
  world, they all like him as well.
• 1:05:55
  And for this, and this is the point, like if it was a clean
• 1:05:59
  slate, Erella had time, I'd probably go with that because
• 1:06:03
  he's got a philosophy and I and I like his philosophy.
• 1:06:06
  But I think for this situation coming in where he's basically
• 1:06:11
  he would come in either October or November, I think Marco
• 1:06:14
  Silva's a better fit and he will do well with this squad.
• 1:06:18
  So that's three clearly Reuben out, one clearly Reuben in.
• 1:06:22
  I think I'll keep it relatively even and declare that I'm still
• 1:06:27
  Reuben in but very different reasons to us.
• 1:06:29
  And I said I'd be making. I thought there was a big reveal
• 1:06:31
  coming. There is a big reveal and my big
• 1:06:34
  reveal. My big reveal is that I'm not
• 1:06:37
  stepping foot into Old Trafford until Ineos and the glazes are
• 1:06:41
  gone. Because for me, we can go
• 1:06:43
  through this cycle again of new managers.
• 1:06:44
  I'm bored of it, guys. It's been 10 plus years, we'll
• 1:06:47
  get a new guy in, we'll have a little run of form, but the same
• 1:06:50
  problems will creep back in. And for me, the biggest
• 1:06:53
  disgrace, disgrace over the last 12 to 18 months is the way Ineos
• 1:06:57
  have treated us over ticket pricing, the redundancies, the
• 1:07:01
  way they treated people like Kath and now also getting rid of
• 1:07:04
  Kobe Manu, or talking about getting rid of Kobe Manu,
• 1:07:07
  getting rid of Garnett. Show Manchester United's about
• 1:07:10
  Academy players coming through the Academy.
• 1:07:12
  They've ripped the heart and soul out of the club, so I won't
• 1:07:15
  be stepping foot into Old Trafford until they're gone.
• 1:07:17
  I will be going to away games though, because I still love Man
• 1:07:20
  United and you can never take that out of me.
• 1:07:22
  But it's really hard because you're in conflict, right?
• 1:07:25
  Because you, you love the club. We all love the club, but we all
• 1:07:28
  hated the Glazers. We can all agree on that.
• 1:07:30
  And for me, the Glazers still there, we can't forget that.
• 1:07:33
  You know, the protests got cancelled early in the season.
• 1:07:36
  I think a lot of us are in conflict about what to do
• 1:07:38
  because you love the club, but not for me.
• 1:07:40
  I'm making the stand now and I'm not stepping foot into Old
• 1:07:42
  Trafford until they're gone. There you go.
• 1:07:45
  You're not going to buy any merch as well.
• 1:07:48
  I thought about that so I won't be buying any merch but I
• 1:07:50
  probably will have to get Raffi the baby kit because again, I'm
• 1:07:53
  in conflict so. Hey, Steve, come on.
• 1:07:58
  I'm sure Ron can sort you out with some Chinese.
• 1:08:00
  That's true, actually. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:08:01
  We'll get in the United kit but we won't put.
• 1:08:03
  Money in. Let's be hush hush about that
• 1:08:05
  now. I've actually got a point on
• 1:08:08
  any. I was thinking about it earlier
• 1:08:10
  in terms of recruitment, right, Because there's been a lot of
• 1:08:12
  talk about obviously the order of which we bought players and
• 1:08:16
  you know, could we have spent the money better etcetera.
• 1:08:18
  And this is the thing, it's not a slight against the players
• 1:08:21
  that have been brought in, right?
• 1:08:22
  Kenya and Embumi are really good Premier League players.
• 1:08:25
  I feel sorry for Chesco in terms of the criticism that he's
• 1:08:28
  already got. I've given how many minutes he's
• 1:08:31
  played and he's super young. But I was thinking about this.
• 1:08:35
  If someone like Michael Edwards was in charge instead of Jason
• 1:08:41
  Wilcox, I do wonder if we had made even the free trans, the
• 1:08:45
  big free transfers that we've made.
• 1:08:48
  I feel like it's like, you know, no one is leading that
• 1:08:54
  recruitment process. Like to me, it's just seems like
• 1:08:58
  Ruben is dictating and essentially Wilcox is just
• 1:09:02
  getting whatever he wants. And I don't think that would be
• 1:09:06
  the case if if Michael Edwards was like at the club or maybe
• 1:09:10
  some of the Brighton guys. I think it would be much more
• 1:09:14
  like, you know, technically driven as opposed to like coach,
• 1:09:19
  coach driven. And I've, I wonder like, you
• 1:09:22
  know, because you look at Jason Wilcox, his record, right, He's
• 1:09:25
  only done it as a sporting director at Southampton.
• 1:09:28
  He was youth director at Man City.
• 1:09:32
  So his knowledge I guess of like youth Academy football would be
• 1:09:36
  fantastic. But Steve, you know, I know
• 1:09:39
  you've mentioned it quite a few times, whether it's any or so or
• 1:09:42
  Jason is like, yeah, with a better technical lead.
• 1:09:48
  I do wonder if we could have made smarter recruitments in
• 1:09:53
  terms of what we need for the manager of this manager that's.
• 1:09:56
  Disgrace, isn't it? They've gone and fired people
• 1:09:59
  while they've gone and wasted, you know, millions on Ashworth.
• 1:10:02
  You know, that's there's, there's a whole number of
• 1:10:04
  reasons we could list off against Ineos, right?
• 1:10:07
  It's just, it's countless. So yeah, I think we have to wrap
• 1:10:10
  it up there, guys. We could carry on for hours.
• 1:10:11
  We will obviously do more parts, this is going to roll on and
• 1:10:14
  we've got Grimsby midweek. Hopefully Chesco might get off
• 1:10:17
  the mark if he starts. Sounds like we might play a
• 1:10:19
  strong team just to get a win on the board and then yeah, Burnley
• 1:10:24
  at home on the weekend. So again, surely we can expect
• 1:10:27
  to win against Burnley at home. Is that asking too much as?
• 1:10:30
  Mate, we've got to beat Burnley. There we go.
• 1:10:34
  Got to beat Burnley. He wants a performance.
• 1:10:37
  Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 1:10:38
  That's not. Not about the result you'll play
• 1:10:40
  one run. No, no, no, it's true.
• 1:10:43
  It's true actually that I, I I don't just want a result, I won
• 1:10:47
  a performance. What XG do you want?
• 1:10:49
  Come on, what XG do you want? Thomas, the thing that Ash made
• 1:10:52
  a really good point of an LVG situation.
• 1:10:55
  I want to see more than one goal in the game.
• 1:10:57
  I want to see two and three. I want to see a dominant
• 1:11:01
  performance and not just a win, I want to see two or three
• 1:11:04
  goals. Three XG, Yeah, three XG.
• 1:11:07
  That's the. That's the requirement.
• 1:11:08
  That's the bar my. Friend, don't watch the YouTube
• 1:11:10
  highlights and when when Ollie was in charge.
• 1:11:12
  You'll see 2 three goals there. You won't see it this weekend.
• 1:11:15
  Exactly, Scott, you don't need to persuade me about Ollie.
• 1:11:19
  So yeah. Well, if we get desperate, we
• 1:11:21
  know where we're going mid season say all right, thanks for
• 1:11:24
  joining guys. That was a cracker.
• 1:11:26
  So thanks for tuning in, and we'll catch you on the next
• 1:11:29
  episode.